The Viall Files - E1186 - Going Deeper With Harry Jowsey

Episode Date: September 9, 2026

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Here we are. Look at us. Look at us. Huh? Wow. We finally did it. We did. We moved mountains. Water under the bridge. But was it... Was it me calling you an emotional terrorist that did it for you? Like, what was the part where you were like, fuck this guy?

I think it was a few things, to be honest. But also, like... He's like, he's all of it. Yeah, it's probably all of it. All 20 episodes. Yeah. I think at the end of the day, it's just like... It's part of the job, you know?

And like, if people aren't talking about your show, then you probably don't have a good show. You know, I will say, I very much appreciate that about you. And listen, we talk, you know, it's my least favorite part of this job in the show is to thread that needle. Yeah.

With the idea that, like, we all love to be talked about on this, you know. We all, it's like anyone who goes on reality TV. And then, you know, we've created this universe, all of, you know, everyone involved in this, like, really cool space. and then we create these shows and talk about it. But then, yeah, then there's a human side.

But you're one of the few people I was like, if he did hate my fucking guts, I wouldn't blame. Other people are less a little bit more sensitive. So I appreciate you being here, man. So thanks for coming. No, I appreciate you guys having me and wanting to have me back through everything that we've been through. But yeah, no, it's, to be honest,

and I think anyone that has had feelings about you, they just got to understand that, like, it's just a part of the job. Everyone's going to have opinions. and it's kind of on you whether you want to take it on or not. It's just like with anything. Yeah. I could read a comment and just be like, okay, it really doesn't matter

because then you guys are going to have another episode out the next week or whatever else. So it's really, it's not that deep, you know? It's just part of life. Yeah, it's interesting though, because it's not that deep, I think, is kind of like, I don't know, you tell me, but I feel like the big disconnect with, I suppose you and your critics are you and the women on your show? and I guess, you know, right? Like finding that middle ground.

Yeah. You know, because like on some level, you've made a career out of being a reality TV personality. And, you know, whatever, it's America's fuckboy or just like this got, you know, this eligible bachelor. And it is a fucking job sometimes, right? And then there's this side of, um, I remember my first time on these shows, right?

Like, I'm being on the women's end of things on the bachelor. And really feeling vulnerable and feeling like, you know, like the lead had to like take care of my feelings. And when they didn't, I felt more just, you know what I'm saying? And like, do you think you have a hard time finding that balance? You know, I think that this was the first time. Like in the past, like when you're doing a perfect match or toward the handle, you're like, okay, we're just, you know, young people having fun on a show. But this one, definitely that. Like, I wish I, I wish there was a let's marry someone else.

then we went through that process first where I was with 20 guys and we could figure it out because it definitely would have made it more impactful because it was really difficult for me to be like, okay, I've got 20 people. I'm trying to spend, also a season one of a show is pretty chaotic too, like the first couple days. Like I remember I probably had like three hours of sleep and I was having like five or six Celsius. And there was days where I didn't even eat because I'm like, I just got to, I just got to talk to everyone and make sure that we have the best time. And make sure that, like, I get to meet everyone and learn as much about everyone as possible. But it's really difficult.

And then at the end, I'm like seeing how everyone's take on the experience. And I was like, wow, I really can't do the right thing here. Even when I was trying my best, I should have just been a sausage. Well, I was, but, yeah. Was there a part of you that was, like, nervous going into this, knowing that this whole show's format is, like, based on your worst tendencies, like, living with all of these beautiful brunette women? who just can sneak into your room.

Yeah, to be honest, I was pretty nervous. But that's why they brought my friends in, you know, and obviously Georgia, my ex to help kind of have that, like, center pole to be like, all right, we're going to tell you to stop being an idiot. And then I know, like, even Alex would text some of the producers, like, tell them to stop kissing everyone. Because it'd be hard. Like, I'd be, like, this is so much fun.

We're having the best time. And everyone was awesome. And when they pull you for a chat, it's like, okay, well, I'm just going to go with whatever happens. But yeah, it was really, I was really nervous, like the first couple days. I was really scared, to be honest, because I'm like, gosh, this is, this is a lot. Like, to have a show around you and then to know, you know, that you've got to be living in their house with them, it's really scary too. Now, being the lead of, I mean, you did The Bachelor.

I mean, you were The Bachelor. It's like, there's some, you know, like, it's a- Living with them is like a call. No, it's a whole not a level. And, like, there are definitely differences in the show. And quite frankly, yeah. Shout out David Freeman. I love what you're doing.

The guy, the guy. But no, it's fucking brutal, dude. The emotional and physical and mental toll to be the lead of the show, it's definitely a lot. You know that obviously we had the opportunity to interview your three finalists, Danelle, Sam, and Amber. Yeah. And I started the, I don't, did you listen to that interview by chance? No, you know, my thing is I don't.

I don't want to be like, I don't want to be like all their stuff because I'm like, I just don't want to be, I just don't want to take it on board. And I'm just like, whatever they want to say, this should do it. Well, if I may. just give you some info on the cliff notes. The cliff notes. Yeah, please, please. Listen, on one side of the coin, right?

Like, I still would, I'm not, you know, if a girl says to me, if we become deep friends, Harry, and someone's like, do you know any great eligible men? And if you happen to be single, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna say your name, you know? I hope you don't take offense, right? That's okay. Yeah.

And again, listen, I've, you know, my big thing in life, It's just like, you know, either the same. When people show who they are, believe them. And like a lot of people say that, but they don't do it. And I am capable of being friends with people. I may not fuck with every decision they have. I might not agree with everything they do. But like, I appreciate some people just kind of showing me who they are.

And then I cease to stop expecting from them things I don't expect, right? And so on some level, I think there's a part of the audience. It's kind of like, I mean, you know, listen, what did you expect from Harry Jousy? You know, there's a, you, it, the, there's, there's, so much data out there and like if you want to be the person to change them and you want to you know you're up for that challenge do so at your own risk right on the flip side and i kind of i asked the three women how much did you know about harry um they i guess across the board kind of kind of said they they wanted to know the real you uh and they didn't really do any any looking um two

part question one do you believe them and two if if they're telling the truth you truth. Do you think that was foolish of them not to at least do their research? I don't necessarily believe them because a few girls have come out and said that. And then if you watch the first episode, they seem to know a fair bit about me. And also like, you know, when you go to do a show, you're telling your family, your work, your friends, like, surely someone in the 10 or 20 people that you told would have just done a Google search and be like, oh, maybe this isn't the best type of guy right now. So I don't know.

I don't necessarily believe them because, just because of that, like there's so much that goes into getting ready for a show. You're buying all the outfits. You're getting your makeup. You're doing everything. You're getting excited about it. You're getting time off work. And in that span of time, you didn't just do one Google search.

I don't know. I don't fully believe it. And if you don't, your friends aren't hitting you up being like, girl. Yeah, I was, I'm kind of with you there. I will say, though, that they also part of their explanation, Like to whatever degree they heard, you know, rumors about you or about your past, they were saying they didn't sign up for the Let's Marry a Fuckboy show. They signed up for Let's Marry the Reformed, you know, former fuckboy who has dealt with some bit of a tragedy centered on the passing of your father, which I'm very sorry, by the way. And it's almost as if they were sold a, you know, a false story.

I guess, first, like, what is your response to that? And do you think that's a bit disingenuous on their part, or do you empathize with what they're saying? Yeah, I get what they're coming from. I understand fully because that's what I thought I was going to be doing as well. But obviously, you know, getting carried away in a few moments, there's, like, there's definitely a big part of me and a big part of my history that we can all see where I'll go on a show. I'll be excited. I'll start kissing everyone and ultimately self-sabotages myself. So I definitely believe, I understand where they're coming from for sure.

I think, you know, it was so recent to after my dad had passed that I was still actively dealing with grief. Like I wasn't drinking before the show. And then as soon as the show came about, I was, you know, having fun leaning into the experience. And then once I went back to New Zealand and it really kind of took the wind out of my sales. I realized I was like, oh, I actually haven't dealt with this at all. And I think it was just a really confusing time and probably the worst time to film a show. But when Netflix calls and they have a great idea, who am I to say no? But yeah, it was a bit of a definitely, I definitely see

where they're coming from. And I definitely like, apologize for that too, because I definitely had a lot of work to do. I'm curious though, like getting into the nuance, right? Do you think that the message, whether it was from you or the producers, was the messaging, Harry is a finished product and he's absolutely ready to settle down, or this show is about seeing whether Harry is a finished product, and he's actually ready to settle down. Which do you think is more true? In terms of what was being messaged to the women?

To be honest, I don't know, because even when I came out there, I was like, look, I'm not perfect. Like I literally said, I was like, I'm not the perfect guy. But when you watch The Bachelor, it's like, this is the perfect specimen. Except when it was me. He's a star. Wow. You know.

But I think like that was the point of difference that even on the first day when I'm meeting all the girls, I was like, I know you probably seen a lot about me and I'm trying to change. I'm trying to be better. So I think that probably, you know, I wasn't in the room with all the conversations with their producers and the people putting them on a show. Like I'm sure there's probably an element where they're like, he's amazing. You've got to meet him. He's great.

And then they get there and they're like, oh, well, he's been a bit of a silly sausage. So I think like it was me saying I'm ready, then me actively trying, and then obviously failing. Amber kind of at the reunion and on our show talked kind of about how she felt like you used your grief as what was her verbiage? I guess love bomb, you know, like to portray a vulnerability, I guess that she didn't think was all that. I mean, right?

Essentially that. And you weren't really able to respond at the reunion, but you had your friend Sonny kind of stick up for you there. What would have been your response? Yeah, I think it's unfair to tell someone how to grieve and how they should be going about it. It's a part of my life is to be forward facing and especially when I was going through the trenches of grief. It just happened to be when we were filming the show. So it's like hard for me to like, I can't just ignore it. I like, you guys know what it's like when you have lost someone.

Like it will just hit you randomly. You can't just like hide that feeling and be like, oh, okay, I'm really, like I'm really sorry, but like it was really difficult to know when grief will hit because it's just not, like someone explained to me, it's kind of like waves on a beach. When you stand on a beach, sometimes they hit you and they tickle your feet and then other times it goes all the way out. You don't see it. Then the next day it's like a tsunami. So that's what grief is like. It will just knock you around whenever you see it. So like, yeah, I'm so proud of how I've been dealing with my dad's grief and the grief of losing my dad. You know, it's something that you're, it's something that you can't really navigate and no one's perfect at it. I think it's unfair for her to say that,

to be honest, and a little bit sad because, you know, it was something that we really kind of bonded over and she really helped me with it when I was in New Zealand and was really there for me. Like when the cameras went down and we were just in the hotel room and I was like, look, I'm really struggling. I need to see Amber. Like I need to see her because she will make me make light of this and we'll have fun and be able to deal with it as best. as we can. So I think that it's a little bit unfair and I am really grateful for Sunny for standing up for me. There was a lot more that was said that actually was cut out. Obviously it's TV so it makes sense. So it does suck to see that Sonny gets so much kind of hate about that because he just basically

was like no matter what you said, fair enough, but like the grief stuff is a little bit unfair for you to tell him how he can and can't deal with grief because it's no one knows how to deal with it. Like find me the perfect person that knows how to deal with grief and I'll show you a liar. I agree with you. I felt like obviously, quite frankly, it seemed like Amber was pretty upset with how things ended up. I'm curious. Well, I guess maybe let's start with, were you guys really married? Like what? I think there's a lot of unanswered questions. Was it like you, you treated it seriously, but you weren't legally married? Like, did you have to get lawyers? Did you get a divorce? Like, what, what's, what can you set the record straight for us? Okay. I got you guys.

So basically, when we went to start filming the show, I, like a week in, and we were like a week in, one of the producers goes, have you got a pre-up sorted? I was like, wait, what are you talking about? Like, I didn't know, like, I was like, when do you do that? Like, I don't know. They sprung that on you in the middle of production? Like, what? Yeah, and because I only got my phone on Sundays that I would be calling my manager,

like, hey, we need to figure out a pre-up for like the 20 girls. I don't know who I'm going to pick. Like, I don't know where we're at. So basically, because it got so confusing and then they're like, if we submit the paperwork after you guys get married, everyone's going to know it's Amber. So once we finished filming the wedding stuff, we went up to the house where you see us film a confessional. And I was like, see you guys never. And at that moment was when we were doing

all the paperwork and stuff. And basically our good friend Derek was just like, look, we can't submit it right now, but we're going to hold onto it. So if you guys are together when the show's out, we'll submit it and everyone will be happy. And you'll have enough time to sort of pre-nup and all that stuff. So in my eyes at that moment, I was like, oh, this is as real as it can be. for the sake of a TV show, but then obviously it fizzled out. Thank you for clearing that up. I hope I cleared it up. No, that makes sense.

It makes sense. Also, I think where Amber was also confused was the trip that y'all took after this whole filming. Was that a honeymoon? Or was that just a vacation? Okay, I'm going to pull up my calendar because this is where it got confusing for me too, because I was like, because she said the first trip that we went on is a honeymoon, right? She also said your friend came along too. And I was like, that sounds less like a honeymoon. Well, we had a lot of friends that. Okay, so if we go back to December 2025, I got it up.

So we went to Hawaii was our first trip out. And that was basically just us exploring, like where she grew up and her friends and traveling around Hawaii. Okay. Now, if it's the first trip after a wedding, that's probably the hundred. And it sounds like a way better destination than my mom's farm. And with my friend Anna, it sounds a little bit. But neither of us, neither of you were like, all right, we're on our hunt, like on the plane ride. She wasn't like, so what are we going to do on our honeymoon?

No, that was, see, that's what kind of confused me as well is that I didn't, like some couples wait a year. Understand. Yeah. Well, I thought we probably would have done one after the show if we were still together, but I didn't understand that that's her perception on us going to my mom's farm and hanging out with the pigs that that would be. our honeymoon, which again, like, if it was, like, I'm sorry, I would have planned something better.

Like, I would have gone to take it to somewhere nice. But, yeah, we went to Hawaii, and then a couple weeks later, we went to Gold Coast and in Australia. So there were no commerce, there was no labeling of the trip. No, that was a thing. From what you remember. Okay. All right. Yeah. And it was difficult, too, because you know how it is after you finish a show. Like, you got to be so secretive. And as soon as we went to Hawaii, we got spotted. And I didn't tell, Netflix that we were going to go and be on a trip together. And then it got a little bit like we're under under tight security with Netflix. She kind of mentioned that you were really stressed or like you couldn't handle the secrecy of the relationship after the show in which

her response to that was like, what do you mean? Like you know how reality TV works. You knew that we were going to have to be in hiding. Like why is this such a shock to you? Um, I think that's a fair statement. I don't think that anyone really knows how to best to do that. I know even Netflix was like, we'll book a flight out for her and then we'll get you guys at Airbnb and then you guys just have to stay there for a weekend and you can't leave. So it was like, you know, marrying someone, you want to travel, you want to meet their family. You want to like, I wanted her to meet my mom and come see the farm and all that stuff. So it was like, it was hard to really thread that line to be like, okay, well, let's keep.

this as private as we can, then we get spotted and then we're on these T pages, and then getting yelled at and potentially going, oh my God, I've probably cooked my relationship with Netflix now because of potentially ruin this show and then also trying to balance a fresh relationship of someone that you've known for a couple of weeks to be like, okay, we want to spend as much time together and we want to learn about each other as possible. But on the other shows, like all the other shows that have filmed, it wasn't pre-announced. Like with this one, we announced the casting, We knew, like everyone knew that this show was being filmed. And, like, people knew that we were away filming it.

And then as soon as I got back, I'm like, there was a little bit more pressure on this. But I understand where she's coming from for that. I can vouch for the fact that, like, any couple that ends up from these types of format, Bachelor, or let's marry whoever. Yeah, like you said, you're starting a relationship on rocky footing already. You have to unpack everything that happened. and you barely know each other. Everything about the relationship is based off of hype and missing each other and kind of fighting off all the other,

you know, suitors. And then you can't see each other. And it's just like, you know, listen, like other people, some people can handle it better than others, but it's difficult, I will say, it feels impossible. And those who make it, you know, really have survived a difficult period. So I can acknowledge it's hard.

It's hard. Yeah, thank you. Was that something you and Amber talked about? throughout the time was like what you did with the other women or what connections you had or what you said to the other women was did she have questions about that to be honest she was um pretty great throughout the whole process because she i remember the one of the first conversations we had um and she's like the quick you date everyone the quickly you will know what you're into and basically she was very relaxed like very secure very secure in herself throughout the whole

experience. So we didn't necessarily have too many of those conversations. Like there was one moment where things got brought up and we discussed it a little bit and kind of moved on from it. But it is such a weird and niche situation to also be like intimate with other people and then they come see you in Australia too. And I'm like, I'm a little bit freaked out about it all. But yeah, it was so long ago too. We saw each other in January. The last time we saw each other before the reunion. We spoke a million times since. And yeah, I don't necessarily think there was a specific conversation when we sat down and were like, let's address everything about leading up to the wedding. Yeah. Did you guys have conversations about like expectations? Like,

you know, all the show marriage aside, did you at any point where you guys like, all right, like, hey, we're, you know, like, what is your expectations of marriage? Like, you know, this is going to be Did you guys talk about anything, like, you know, leading up to it or was it or nah? Guys, come on. To be honest, I believe we were talking about whether she would move to L.A. and kids and life and all that stuff. And basically she wanted, she's like, we're just going to be hot and travel. And I'm like, okay, well, I got to, I got to work. You know, I got to, I absolutely.

I said that. Yeah, I was like, I got to like, it's, that's expensive. Like, that's got to be crazy. But no, I don't think there necessarily was any of those conversations. I think I was too confused the whole time. Like, I really didn't know what was really going on. And especially after New Zealand, I was thrown for a loop. Thinking back now, if you go back in time, what upfront expectations would you have

wanted to like, just like, hey, are we on the same page? If we get married, what is like, let's just talk about what might be difficult, what might be hard? What do you wish you would have talked about? I wish I would have spoken about everything in the show, like everything that I did, the conversations with the other girls, being intimate with other people. And then following that, definitely would have wanted to address like career and life and where you see yourself living and how to navigate like the public as well. I think those would have been probably a good starting point. But as you guys can tell, not very good at this stuff.

So, yeah. You're in a relationship today? Yeah, I'm in an incredible relationship. It's been, it's been awesome. Did you meet her on one of these? Honeymoons. So like me and my current person, we've known of each other for a while. And we have a lot of mutual friends.

So we've known of each other. And we also, we never communicated at all until everything was like fully done. So I hope that clears it up because I can also, I have my Google calendar of when I left Australia and when, I guess what people can see when we first hung out. Okay, so you didn't meet her on this trip. You've like known her for a while. We've known of each other for a minute. Yeah. Why does she think you met her on this trip?

Honestly, I don't know. It is what it is. You know, I'm sure that, yeah, I don't know. She was saying a lot of things at the reunion that I was a little bit kind of throwing. off about, especially because we've spoken so many times since from January till now. So I was a little bit perplexed by a lot of things. But at the end of the day, that's her experience. So I don't want to take away from that.

But yeah, it is what it is. Did you guys ever have a conversation post breakup? Because she said you guys never really like technically broke up. So do you want to clarify that a little bit? Yeah. So we, when we're in Australia, we just definitely were not seeing eye to eye. you guys could kind of see how it went out the reunion. We weren't really seen eye to eye at all.

And once we were driving from Gold Coast to Brisbane, we had a bit of a serious conversation about where this is going and what we see. We ended up finishing it in Australia. I went back to L.A. But to her defense, we were still talking. So I guess it was a little bit confusing. And I fully understand that. And I fully will take accountability for that.

because it is a very confusing situation and you don't really shouldn't break out with someone and then continue to talk to them and I think that is unfair especially the situation with deno so unfair take full accountability for that me and deno have spoken so many like the thing is which was I was a little bit confused about is I've spoken to all of them like even Sam like I spoke to Sam I apologize for the whole situation can read the messages even with denel we've spoken so many times from January till now which I thought was like we were all good. So like when I did Alex Cooper's like call daddy and I was like, yeah, the reunion is

going to be so chill, like we're going to be all good. Because that was my understanding. It's because like I was like going through my messages and phone calls with them and it was all like laughter and we're so excited and everything's great. And then once I'm at the reunion, I was like, wait, what's happening? I was very confused. I mean, should we kind of break down the denial of it all? Yeah, whatever you guys want.

What were your intentions reaching back out to her? Like were you, was it like, were you thinking about exploring a relationship or you were like, you know, we had a great physical connection and I'm wondering if she's down one more time, you know? What were you hoping to get out of that weekend? Yeah, I think with Dineau after, I was when I was in Australia and I asked Amber if I could reach out to her just to check in. We, after that moment and once I go back to L.A., I was pretty torn, especially throughout the show. Like you can see it, like I wasn't 10 toes down on my decision. with Amber, like I was very kind of all up in the air about what was going on. I'm very confused. And I think that confusion overlapped into real life. And so once I was with Amber and we weren't

really seeing eye to eye, my brain goes, well, maybe it was the wrong decision. You know, maybe it was I did the wrong thing, which is, you know, I have a good track record of not doing the right thing most of the time. So when I was, when I reached back out to Danal, I'm like, maybe this is what I should have done. Maybe this is the right person for me. And so when we saw each other again, and real life is very different to a fabricated environment. And once I was with Deneau, again, I was even more confused.

And I'm like, this is not fair. Like if you have your person, you should know that that is 110% your person. So after that weekend, I was just like, it's probably best to save more heartbreak and headaches for these people and just eliminate myself out of the situation and just sit still and try and figure out the grief, try and figure out the confusion, and try and be a better person for myself

so I can show up better for other people. And did Dinell have questions about you and Amber's relationship at that point? Yeah, of course. Like, I think it was very confusing for everyone. And especially poor old Dinell, like, I couldn't imagine how confusing that whole thing must have been for her

and then be like, oh, maybe like we're good again, or this is my person. And then me quickly going, I don't know what's happening. So yeah, I definitely, I like, it's, I'm so sorry for Danelle. Like, I can't imagine. Well, I'm sorry for all the girls. Like, it is such a tricky situation to be in. And you probably want your guy to be there and know exactly what's going on instead of being like, oh, I'm very, very confused.

Do you think Amber had a right to be as angry at Danelle as she was? or do you feel like Dinell had a right to kind of see her experience through? I don't think it was fair for Amber to kind of try and chew Dinell's head off in that reunion. Ultimately it was my decision and it was my choice. And yeah, like the anger should have been, well, the anger should have been directed to me, but it was. But that moment was very unfair on Dinell because she's just following her heart and following what she thinks is the right situation. She thinks this guy is coming back and it's perfect and we're going to live happily ever after,

but it wasn't the case. So I definitely think it was unfair. Like I don't think Donnell deserves any heat or hate her way. Like she was showing up as best she could and following her heart. And it was my mistake and my choice that ultimately led to all this drama. Why were you posting Snapchat's of Amber?

It felt like really close up to the reunion. Yeah, so basically the last few months I've had an agent's again, this is, I fully take accountability. I should have been like, hey, don't post that stuff. But I've had an agency that's been running my Snapchat because of all the press, everything we've been doing, I haven't had a moment to be like live posting on Snapchat. Basically, all I did is I had a folder from January, December, January and I just grabbed it, I swiped down and I submitted everything. I was like, just post whatever you guys want.

My thoughts were everyone's posting stuff with me, everyone's posting stuff of the show and all the disposables. Surely I could just join in on the fun. But obviously, I should have got clearance. But to be fair, when Amber reached out about me posting all the photos from the show and the wedding and everything like that on Facebook, she said, please don't post my face. I didn't like my makeup and how I was cold in that moment. So I immediately took it down. I immediately texted the team. I was like, hey, if there's anything on Snapchat about the wedding or a face, like she doesn't want to be on there at all. So once I knew what was going on, that was fine.

And that's also what got me in a little bit of heat too when I posted just photos of me at the wedding because she said, don't post my face or don't post me. So I was like, okay, cool. I'll just post myself because that was a great moment. And I feel like I looked good. So then everyone's like, oh, this guy's an ego maniac because he's just posting himself. I was like, I don't know. I can't do the right thing.

Like, I want to post everything, but you're such a victim, Harry. Yeah, I'm the biggest victim. Yeah. Listen, I, it's, I get, I honestly get everything you're saying. It's funny. It's like, the big disconnect is like, I remember being in Amber's shoes, right? Like, in my, you know, on my second son of the best rat, I said, you took that from me in a very sad boy way. And that was like, I hated that I, like, almost proposed to this chick.

And I thought of some fucking speech and I poured my heart out. And, like, it's a, it's a, I can have fun with it now. But, like, you know, 12 fucking years later, it's still like a fucking joke at my expense, you know? And it's just like, ugh, you know? And I, I, from Amber, Amber seems really fucking pissed that she has to, like, call you her ex-husband. Um, the only part I don't get is like she, if I'm Amber, I would have been like, yeah, I don't consider him my husband. Like, I don't consider my relationships on the bachelor or bachelor outside of the, my last one because we really tried and it was like, we, we lived together and that, that was a real

relationship. But everything happened filming, like, I don't think that's fucking real. Yeah. And listen, that's just me kind of mentally kind of workshopping that stuff. But she, like, that, that's the part I get from Amber where she just seems like, yeah, you like, I'm not the professional reality TV star. I didn't know what I was doing. I followed my heart.

I got fucking married. I had this beautiful. I wore a wedding dress. I walked down the aisle and all this shit. And now when I meet the real man of my dreams, it won't feel like the first fucking time. Well, she's also already been divorced. Oh, she has?

Okay. Well, then fuck it. But we're, I mean, she did say that y'all were like, you were buying a house or you were house hunting. and she was helping you and you were telling her how much you wanted her to furnish it and decorate and stuff. Look, yeah, I think after this show, like I was living in Hollywood and I'm like, I should probably get a house.

You know, I've got a wife now. I should probably get things sorted. So I should probably, no, that's fine. But I was like, I should probably, you know, figure this out. This is a big part of it. So I was looking for a house. Did she come along to any of those house shopping moments? No. Was she there for any of it? No? Like, has she got the address? Yeah, I believe so. She said at the

reunion. And also, like, I furnished it. I wish someone helped me. Like, I wish she helped. That would be good. But I just went to restoration hardware and spent way too much money and I was really upset about that. I did that's the first house I bought. The Bachelor protocol. Every bachelor who buys out first time and feel like, all right, I'm going on restoration hardware and spending $40,000. It's ridiculous. It's so stupid. Yeah. Yeah. So I, I, I, understand like those elements but I think there's just like mixed up in communication to be honest like even when she said that at the reunion you like you bought me a house and I was like did I like okay fair enough it's like it's like the thing is too like our last conversations that

we had were like so light and fun and like she was talking about like talking about the wedding and like one thing that like really kind of upset me was like her feeling that she'd been silence for the last year or so and that was confusing to me because like one of my last messages to her. Like I can play the voice note if you want. Living in silence. Yeah, she said that during you. She's been living in silence. I said, I literally said to her, like, feel free, like, tell your story, whether it's at my expense, whatever you're out, whatever you want. Like, just feel free to share your side of it. I even said the same to Dinell. I'm like, it doesn't matter about me. Like, feel free to talk about everything. So that was one thing that I was a little

bit, like, confused about. I'm like, maybe that that hate is more towards the NDA that they signed for the show or whatever else. But like, from my, side, I was encouraging. I was even calling David and the team and I'm like, they got a post. Let them talk about the show and the experience or get them on. Like when I saw you, I was like, you got to get the girls on the podcast before I come on. Because I was like, they got to tell their side of the story. But obviously, I'm a sausage. You were, you were very supportive of them coming on and talking their shit. Yeah, which take it back. Or at least, you know, you understood that was at least fair to them.

Do you, I mean, I'm confused. So when you say you were talking to Amber and it was light and chill, are you, do you think her at the reunion or on our show was a little performative? Do you think she's leaning in to that? Or do you think she puts it on a happy face for you? So the interesting thing was, is that we spoke on the phone leading up to the reunion. And it was like, all light and fun. And I was like, anything you want to do.

dress or should we just save it for the reunion? She's like, yeah, well, I'll just save it for then. So, like, I was a little bit confused because when we were standing beside the camera, I asked, I was like, are you all good? And she was, you know, ready to roll. And then even leading up to it, she texts Georgia and said nice things and was excited about it. So I definitely was taken back because, you know, I was more than willing to sit there and be like, yeah, absolutely, like, I've made so many mistakes. I'm not the perfect guy. And I definitely fuck this whole thing up and definitely want to take accountability for all of that. But when I was there and she started at me, I was kind of a little bit taken back because

there was a few things she said, a couple buzzwords. And I was like, I fully will take accountability for anything I've done wrong. And I even asked that I was like, for specifics. It's just unfair to have untrue stuff thrown my way because I was, I'm like, if this was the case, any moment since January when we spoke. or everything was all good or clearing things up, why didn't we talk about it? But to be honest, it's fine that that was the moment where she felt it's best to say that stuff

because I'm glad. I'd much rather her say it than hold it in. But I think I was just a little bit taken back. But Grant, the previous bachelor, he sent me a message. He's like, oh, this was the same kind of situation that I went through with her cousin on my reunion. So I was like, I don't know if it's great. They had similar energy.

Yeah, for sure. They brought similar energy. Yeah, so I don't know if it was like pre-planned or pre-meditated, but it's whatever. Water under bridge. Saying that like you wanted the women or Dinell and Amber to be able to speak and talk their shit and, you know, say whatever they wanted to say. But did you feel that way about the other women as well or did you just feel that way with them because they got to spend as much time with you? Well, this has got me in a little bit of trouble because I said, you know, the, you know, the, you know, the, you know, The first 15 doesn't really matter.

Like, think, okay. You don't need to convince me. I'm actually 100% with you on this one. Your delivery was a bit harsh. Yeah. It was a bit harsh. But I was, to be honest, yeah, I could have done a lot of things better. But I think my understanding was like, think of someone that you met one time in October last year.

Like, if you guys, can you think of someone? No, literally. Like one night at a bar, you have a 10-minute conversation with someone. Yeah. So I was like to see them post so much. be so aggressive towards me. I was like, we don't, we don't know each other, like, at all. There was even one girl that was when we, the first couple days that we were filming, she was upstairs on a laptop just freaking out about doing work and not being in the experience.

And that's fully fine if you want to be at work, but it just takes away from, from me really caring about that opinion because I'm like, well, you weren't even, like, the one time we spoke, that was it and we couldn't get a chance to kind of dive in. But 100% my delivery on that should have been a lot better. But I felt like the final five because we spent the most time together. But I was also trying to like, just everyone, leave me alone.

Just leave it for the final five to rip me apart. But everyone joined in, which was great. I'm curious because, like, again, like, this is all, how much of you being a TV personality and I guess America's fuck? Is it like, is it like, you treat it like a job? Like, you know, like, you know, part of our survival of doing the show and being a couple

and like is it just disconnect sometimes, right? Like, you know, listen, if we, if, if we find out that, like, we did something that bothered someone and, you know, we'll reach out and, you know, apologize or whatever it is, right? But in terms of, like, we don't address, addressing critics and, like, you know, we invite discourse on our show. I'm glad people cared about enough about our show to listen and I'm glad they disagree. But to do that, you have to disconnect. But so much of, like, your job, I guess, is to just, you know, be out there and, and like I said, like I said, Like, this is such a weird space. Like, I think from a bit, from a career standpoint, like, I think there's a lot of people

in our space that don't appreciate that they're only known for being vulnerable. They, you know, many of us can't sing and dance. And even if we're pretty good, we're not as good as like the Ariana Grande's of the world, right? So, like, we have to go out there and we have to be out there. And you have to make content and blah, blah, blah. And like, sometimes you can lose yourself and performing because it is the fucking job. and I'm just curious

like which you know are we seeing more Harry the reality TV star and like versus Harry the person I think when I went into this show there's obviously a big element of me that's like okay we got to make a great show

like the there's Netflix is putting 50 million dollars behind this like we got to make the best show possible so I think early on when you see me being a little bit crazy and a little bit naughty that was a big element of that is like let's play into this. Let's get the, you know, the shock factor, the spitting in the mouth, which definitely shouldn't have done. But then towards the end, when it got very real, like when we

were, you know, slowing down and the days were a little bit longer with everyone, I was like, oh, I don't have to do this performance anymore. I don't have to dance as much. Because I think my problem is, like, the first show I did, it was 19, or 1920. So like 10 years of doing this. I know, it's pretty embarrassing that that's my career. I wish I could sing and dance. I'm embarrassed every day. Yeah, it's honestly, like, it's an interesting path. But I think there was like a, the element of that early on and then it's also hard. Like when there's like 30 people watching you and filming you all the time and you're like, fuck, I got to not have any dead air or I got to try and like, like I had a book. If you watch the show on the bedside table, there's a book 150 questions to ask your future

wife because I was like, I can't go into these scenes or these moments without just like absolutely firing off as many questions and trying to learn as quick as possible. So I think there was a big element of performance early on. Then it slowed down. It was me. And then once I got off the show, I was like, oh my God. Like I got to just breathe for a little bit. But now there's, you know, it's going to be all me.

No more performance. Well, I did one more show, but. Oh, my God. What? But even I guess when you're online and you're making content, is that always Harry Jousy the person or is it sometimes like when you're making that content right and you're like you know what screw these people are you leaning in or in like just being spicy or naughty as you say or is that how you really feel in the moment I think there's that's an armor for sure I think I definitely take things

a lot personal like I definitely like same as you guys like there's probably some comments that you see that you're like oh that really fucking sucks yeah well well And that's my apologies For that Anyway Anyway Yeah Anyway should we wrap this?

Yeah yeah all right Thanks guys But no You know You know where it came from Was when I did Toot to handle Fuck that threw me off

I forgot about that When I did talk to handle The element of Being the fuck boy And being like Playing into like Oh my God I can't resist from sex

All that stuff I go and do all these podcasts It's like locker room chat. I'm leaning into it. I'm playing this like character. There was a big element of that, which is obviously true to me, but also a big element of that that I kept going because I was like, oh, this works. Like people want you to play that person.

So I think like when you, when you, that video that you sent me and you're like, how do you do it? There's an element of like, you've got to just piss people off a little bit. Because I think that was a trial reel that I posted. And everyone who comments hate all my posts, they get hit with my trial reels and they keep comedy. Like the thing is they just keep seeing my stuff. the more like common on it, which is great because my insights are awesome this month. But yeah, I don't know.

I think that now it's trying to be way more funny than take things on series. Amber had a good point of kind of like, you know, we got off this and he still kind of was, you did like a Wendy's brand deal and you were kissing somebody or you were out with all these influencers and filming all this content. And she was kind of like, listen, I kind of thought, you know, once you got married, you'd be like,

hey, my content's going to change, you know, it's going to be a little bit different, which I felt was a fair point. What do you think? I think that's a fair point for sure. And definitely, you know, now leading forward in my relationship, won't see any of that stuff at all. The BB Rexa music video that we filmed where we're making out, me and Amber actually weren't together when I filmed that, but I understand the pain and I fully get it. Like, I fully understand that she would be upset about that because, again, we were still talking and chatting here and there. But it's also like, it's hard to just offer show.

And I don't know, like, I don't think my content with Anna, which is probably what she was talking about, where we were pretending, trying to put up a smokescreen, the problem was is that Amber was there the whole time with us when we were filming that stuff. And so that's why I got a little bit confusing. And if it was, if it felt like a bit of a problem, we definitely could have spoken about it or we definitely could address it or I could have been like yeah actually you're right I am being an idiot I shouldn't do this this isn't respectful to you or her boyfriend and I should have gone about it a better way but I think my brain and and no no cop out at all but my brain in those moments after we

been spotted a couple times Netflix is angry at me everyone's like what are you doing I was like what the fuck can I do to distract people no one believed that me and Anna were together which was annoying but I was trying my best because I was like, what do I, how do I do this? I don't know. I should have called you guys and be like, help me. And you would have been like delete your Instagram. Yeah, no, I mean, I honestly would shock that up into, again, like not, you know, like these couples don't have the conversations they're supposed to have, you know, entering this like in, I don't know. I mean, listen, you definitely could have done a better job.

That's for sure. I'm not left to hug. But I, you know, it's an imperfect world. your current relationship you say you're in the best relationship of your life you know like healing and changing is never a finished product

but like what's different about Harry Jousy today than was when you're dating these women or Jess Vestal or you know any women from your past that has a grievance yeah I think that um the it kind of clicked when I met my person

to be honest like and maybe you guys will have the same experience but like when I met her and like there was just like this sense of ease and patience. Like I realized early on, like I'm rush, rush, rush, oh my God, I got married in five weeks. I have to push through everything. When I met her, she's like, whoa, fucking relax. Like it's all good. Everything's okay. You don't need to be anxious. You don't need to be worried.

And I realized that I had an anxious attachment style and been working through that to be a little bit more secure and not be worried about everything and not have big blobs. It has been such a, just sunlight is what it feels like all the time because of just how patient and understanding and how much slower it has been and knowing that it's all good, like, we're fine. Let's talk through it instead of, you know, us not talking for like a week or whatever else and then going, you know, I believe like in the past, every fight that has happened, I've gone, oh, we're breaking up, and then be like, okay,

well, then just don't be with me. It's been like that, and the very immature way through it. With this, any conflict or any conversation, that's like breaking the law. You can't say that, like, at all unless you mean it. So I think there's like a lot more intent and intention in this one. And I just, like, the greatest person I've ever met. And she's my favorite thing to talk about all the time. And I get so excited when I get the opportunity to like talk. Talk. to her friends or her family or whatever else. But like, it has been such a slow and amazing relationship. So I think that's probably what it was. I think like in LA, it's like so much going on all the time. And then also like I don't think I was really ready. Like you guys saw it on the show.

Like I don't think I was really ready for a stable and good relationship. I think coming out of all of these 10 years of craziness and wild ups and downs and whatever else, I think it got me so prepared to be like, you know what, I know what I don't want. I know what I do want. And I've found everything of us for. Are you keeping her private right now? Yeah, to be honest, I think it has been so amazing private. It's been so great to just have it to us.

And I don't know if I will ever, if we will ever go public, to be honest, because why would I ruin that? Why would I try and kind of jeopardize this whole thing? And I saw a few people commenting, well, you know, like, he owes it to us because his whole life is public and I'm like, why can't I have one thing for myself? Like you guys literally have everything. I'm surprised you don't have anyone accusing you

of making up a fake great relationship. Yeah, well, that's a good one too. Yeah, well, here we go. Guys, please leave those comments. We can cut it. Yeah, she's invisible. No, it's so great. She's not real.

Yeah, she's invisible. Yeah, she's actually here with me. She's on the couch. So as it stands out, you're going to, you want to marry this person. He just said he was taking it very slow. I believe so. Well, he also said this is my person. That's true.

Okay. Well, look, I don't want to see. Here's the thing. I said it in the past and I got in trouble. So I believe so. You're excited. I don't want to. Okay.

Yeah. If, and I hope this doesn't have for you. But let's say tomorrow for whatever reason, she's like, I'm out. I can't do it. Whatever. Do you think you will be able to maintain whatever is working in this relationship? you know, and, because it sounds like maybe she was a big driver in helping you get to this place, which is, it's great to find someone who does help you get there.

But do you think you are capable at this point of exercising whatever you've had to exercise to be this different version of yourself? God forbid, this doesn't work out. And is that next person going to enjoy this new Harry? Look, I believe so. Like, I really, I really hope so because it's been, like, I've learned so much. And gosh, if I didn't, like, if I didn't have anything like this again, I'd be an absolute idiot. Like, it's, yeah, it's the most amazing, most beautiful thing I've ever been a part of.

I don't know why I'm acting like it's a project, but like, I don't know how to say it. Probably a bit a part of, like I filmed a Marvel movie. But that's what it feels like. It feels like a Marvel movie to me. But I hope so, to be honest, like anything, anything not as good as this is a waste of time. You know, it's been the most amazing thing ever, and I pray, I pray every day that she stays with me forever because she's amazing. You said you were reading some books, I believe, on grief going into the relationship or, you know,

just kind of how to better yourself. What are some books that you've read or just some takeaways that you, that really stuck with you? A good one that I read before filming the show was, he scared, she's scared. I don't know if you know that book. Not familiar, no. Basically, it's all about self-sabotage because your boy's pretty good at it. And who's it by? It is by Stephen Carter and Julia Sokol.

That was a really good one for any young men or young people that are worried about self-sabotage. I think you should just dive into that, take it on board or don't take it on board at all, but just to learn. But the signs was a really, really good one by Dr. Tara Swart. And that was all about grief. So if anyone has lost a person, please, please. please, please, please read that book or listen to audio book or listen to her on Jay Shetty's podcast or Stephen Butler. I don't know. She did one of those guys. They're great. But she really kind of dives deep in on when you lose someone, you've got to just ask for signs.

And I read it before I did the show and I was asking for a lot of signs from my dad. And evidently, they all popped up around Amber. So a B kind of made that decision for me. So yeah. I'm curious about the book about self-sabotage because I've, I've recently talked about my feelings. It's like it's become one of those buzzwords that's almost like a chic label. To feel like I self-sabotage. You know,

it's almost like it almost sounds kind of good in a way that like doesn't allow us to actually identify why are we self-abotaging? Like what's the thing we're doing that causes us to self-abotage? Like did you learn anything about yourself in general or reading that book where it's just like, you know,

the self-sabotage is the end game, but what causes it in a way that like actually invokes change? Yeah, I think my biggest thing is that I grew up in a pretty chaotic household. My parents loved to just go to war with each other as much as they could. So I believe from reading that book, and obviously people think my therapy is also invisible, but she's very real, she's great. I believe that growing up in a household where your parents aren't always seeing eye to eye and there's a lot of conflict and there was a lot of physical altercations in our house,

that when I was becoming like a young adult, I was like, well, if a relationship doesn't have that heat and anger, and if she's not angry at me, like, she doesn't love me. So I think it would get to those moments where I'd be like, oh, yeah, cool, like if, well, we're having an argument perfect. Like, my brain is getting validated. So I had to unlearn a lot of that because it's obviously not healthy. Great for reality TV, I'm sure, but not healthy. in real life. So going through those moments and then also like I think the with the self-sabotage,

you know, it's the posting stuff. It's like kind of leaning into the fuckboy aesthetic. I know with Georgia, I remember I did a podcast and I was joking about being the bachelor and I was very much in a happy relationship with her. And I knew that that really upset her and I knew better. But I was like, I'm just going to say it anyway to like get that reaction. So I think like going through that and looking back and being like, oh, okay, this is clearly me self-sabotaging to just be an idiot or to cause conflict to feel that love or think that that is what love is, is really unfair? So I don't know if I answered that. No, no, I appreciate the answer. Yeah. No, yeah. I was like, I'm trying not to be political. I'm trying to give the right answer.

I mean, I'm sure there's a lot more, but I appreciate the insight and there's definitely more. You know what I'm saying, though? Like, it's so chic to be like, I self-sabotage. It is, it is. It's like a cop out. Yeah. Yeah. Just. Say what you're doing. Yeah. What have we not addressed? Oh, do you want to, do I'm going to say my, because people don't think I apologize to Sam. I can read the message too.

Okay. If you guys want. Please. Okay. Listen. Floor is yours. If I'm not, if I'm not blocked. Who?

I know Amber blocked me. Wait, she said you blocked her on Instagram. Oh, yeah. No, I've never, never blocked her in my life. Never blocked in my life. I could, I was like, oh, someone said she's posting stuff and I went to go check. after the reunion, like, nothing. I couldn't see it.

Basically, I messaged Sam because there was a bit of stuff going on online, which I won't speak on. But I just said, I genuinely want to apologize for the whole lying situation. It was a really strange position to be in, but I know that it doesn't change how it affected you. I'm so sorry that it took away from your experience or made any of it harder than it needed to be. So guys, sometimes I'm nice.

That's a pretty good apology. That's pretty good. Did she respond? Yeah. And she did. And we talked. we sent voice notes and like everything was fine. So like to see that, I was like, oh, okay, fair enough. Like, fair enough if that's the moment. But basically, what did she say? She said,

thank you. I really appreciate that. Also, it definitely didn't take away from the experience. Honestly, I had the best time in my life. I met my best friends, now my roommate on the show. Yeah, it was definitely interesting to watch it back. But if I'm being honest, I knew what happened immediately. I just wanted you to be honest with me. And the whole process was about choosing you as much as it was you choosing us. I'd do it all over again if I could. It was such a unique and amazing experience with you. She kind of echoed the same on our show.

She was pretty gracious. Good. Failure. What are we missing? Yeah. I just had a couple of questions, just like show moments that I just wanted to hear from your POV.

I know. I know you love. I was curious, what was the shower scene like from your point of view and like the aftermath of it? I don't know if clearly you were even called on guard that people... You know.

Okay. Yeah. Okay. I'll explain this because basically once our dear friend Juliana, you've got to have her on the pod. Wow, she's got so much to say. Once our dear friend Juliana had left, like the girls were feeling a little bit uneasy. And Amber was like, look, if you didn't get rid of her, I would have gone. And basically we went into the shower.

I turned it on to kind of drown out noise. and took our mics off and then we went into a closet and obviously, yeah, did what we did. But obviously I'm not very good at lying so when the sand was like, you guys are in the shower like, look at my hair, it's dry. Not a good lie.

I could have just, yeah, I could have done everything better. How many women did you sleep with during filming? Just three. Just three. Yeah. Was Abby one of those people? Yeah, me and Abby had a moment for sure. I'm under the understanding

when The Bachelor, like first came. came out and they weren't like cast like it like it was in like an orgy oh my god maybe that's this thank god this wasn't that because i would have never had the end of that not an orgy but the bachelor there are a lot lots of hookups you never heard about that makes sense is juliana the one you said you loved her that was that her yeah and i really appreciate you guys take on that too i watch that that was crazy i i'm not good at taking your side but i was like what the fuck is going on here? Like, this is...

That won me over, to be honest. Oh, yay! Yeah. No, you know, was the interesting thing about that. I know through filming, they had to put producers and people at the bottom of the stairs to stop them from coming up because they're like, you've got to just leave this guy alone. Like, he's got to sleep.

And she was one of those people. But we, to be honest, like, that was fully my fault. Like, I shouldn't have been playing into it as much as I was and being as silly as I was. But yeah, I just, it was, it was interesting to see, like, her go downstairs and announce to the girls like, what happened. He loves me. But also, yeah, in a completely different way of how it happened. It was gnarly. And I think it was longer than 40 minutes.

Like, I think it was like an hour or so where we were sitting there and I was like, no, we don't have to do it. But obviously, I had a couple tequila. It was all the crazy is that you were like, I love you too. And then she left. And then I don't know who came in next. But then y'all are like making out on the bed. And it's like, okay. I'm an idiot

But you know what the funny thing is Out of everyone in the whole cast Me and Giuliana are the only ones that are in a happy relationship Yeah there you go There we go Look at us Juliana You really did love each other What else Bailey?

Oh yeah sorry, just clarifying So you said three women Obviously Amber Abby Did you sleep with Danelle on the show Or was that after are you referring to? So the early on scene When me and Danelle are in the closet I had to call David

I'm like, was that real? Like, those moments were real. He's like, I don't know what you guys were doing in there. I believe we were just kissing, but it sounds like we weren't. But we never slept together until later on in the show and doing the overnights. So. You're referring to someone different. Wait.

Like you said three people. Did you mean on the show? Abby was the other one. So that was the same night as Amber. Yeah. Okay, gotcha. And then you said three. So was that someone on the show or was that just off the show?

I think Amber Dena. Abbey, Amber and Danel? Yeah, that's the three. We were just wondering if you were intimate with them on the show, or was that just total? Oh, that was on the show, total. I didn't sleep with anyone else after. Oh, Danellen, Amber.

Okay. Bailey is very interesting. I'm putting my foot about it. The streets were asking. No, but also, I think that was what was difficult, too, because Abby came and saw us when we're in Australia, and I saw that she was like, oh, Harry's like way different off camera. I'm like, how could I not be uncomfortable in this situation?

Like, I didn't know what to do when they're all, like, we're all hanging out. I was like, I'm just going to go to the gym with my friends. But I feel like it's definitely a fair statement to say I'm different off camera because, like, it's hard to not be a played-up version when there's like 65 cameras pointed at you. And then when you're just like, the person you are sitting on the couch is very different to that. Your critics would say you're still, you're very charming, but still very immature. You're very easy, I mean, that's fair. But I mean, like, do you feel like, that's like your golden?

Like, yeah, whatever. But like, how much matured? How much have you feel like you've matured since, I guess, this year? Yeah, I think the greatest thing about these shows is that you get to reflect back on a person you were a year ago and, like, look at, you know, all the mistakes or good or the bad. And obviously, being me, there's always a lot of criticism. and a lot of people that have, you know, mixed feelings. So you definitely get to self-reflect. So I think definitely there's a big part of me that is a big kid all the time. Like I love,

I love playing and I love being silly and I love having fun. Like it's the reason why I went on reality TV was just to just make my friends laugh. So I think for sure that would be a fair statement that there is some immaturity there. But like in my personal life with my friends and stuff, Like, I'm not doing the same stuff that I'm doing on camera or whatever else. But yeah, I think that's fair. I've seen a couple of Blast from the past, Francesca's comments under some. Oh, my God. What did she say?

Could she leave me alone? Okay. Can we talk about this? This is, and like, shout out to her. Like, I wish her the absolute best. But I just wish she would leave me alone. Like, it's been, I think I met. Francesca,

Chort de Handel, which we filmed in 2019. 2019, we filmed that, right? Yeah. And we haven't spoken. We don't talk to each other.

I've been blocked for years and years and years. But any time I'm in the news or anytime there's something that goes on, it's like, she's the first person to be in the comment and to just let it fly. I don't know what it is or like, because you think of the version of yourself that you were 2019. Very different. Like, we don't know each other at all.

Like, I don't know anything goes on her life. She obviously knows what's going on in my life. But, like, there's a lot of stuff that she's been doing and saying. And I'm like, just like, please leave me alone. Like, I don't talk about you. This is the only time I'll address it with you guys. But, like, I wish her all the best in her relationship and her life. And, like, any time I do something or any time I'm in the news or whatever else,

like, I wish I could comment on stuff she does. But, like, I don't know what she's doing. And also, I wouldn't because I just want to see her happy and win. Did you guys have a bad ending? to your relationship? Yeah, we had the worst. It's still going. Sorry, I don't remember.

It was a really long time ago. But yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's the thing too. It's just like, I don't know why there's still so much hatred. Like, it would serve her so much better to just be like, oh, God, see you later. Like, I don't want to deal with that. Or I don't, I don't need to comment on every post.

But like, it's, I don't know. I don't tell me. No, no. I was going to say, I mean, continuing. down the line of your exes, have you spoken to Jess Vestel at all since perfect match? No. No, never. No, I think

yeah, perfect match was it and again wish she seems to have moved on. Truly? Okay. Do you anything else? Thank God. Thank God. I mean, speaking of your blast from the past from your, no this is a fun last question.

From Heartbreak Island to Let's Mary Harry, what were your favorite and like least favorite shows to be on? And why? Heartbreak Island was just a confusing show to be on because it was like Love Island Big Brother Survivor. We don't know what we're doing. And we also weren't really eating and we got hit by a cyclone when we're filming our final like winning scene. So like we're on an island in Fiji. Yeah, we had to film like we're going to film like the final like these people won outside but a cyclone hit. So they put us in a shed and the shed was shaking and it was crazy. It was like they literally

just like sped through it. Like you guys won't get out of here. But I'm actually seeing my friend that I beat on that show for his wedding next month. So it's really exciting. But I think the worst one, probably perfect match. I wasn't the best. Well, I haven't really been the best in a lot of them. But that one was really, I was really going through it and I wasn't doing well mentally. The most rewarding one, probably Dance with the Stars or Amazing Race.

Amazing Race was awesome. If you guys ever get a chance to do it, I know they are casting. Yeah, I've way too many random ones. But Amazing Race was awesome because you get to take, I was with my best friend. We're in India. We're just racing around India. And like just for 14 hours just like in the trenches, like trying to figure out what's going on. It was amazing.

It was good. Would you do special forces? Yeah, for sure. You should do it. Did you do it? Yeah. You did it? I won.

Oh, okay. I might have to call you for some advice. We just have to be resilient, man, which I think you probably are. Oh, fuck then. I'm cooked. Yeah. As long as I can play the victim that I'm good. You said you did another show.

Can you tease what other show you've done? Oh, yeah, a Hulu show, which is out of the next couple months. The mob. There it is. Parker Posey. There it is. How did you guys get that? We almost named our daughter.

You should do that. You should do that one. If you get the chance, you should do that. I haven't had a lot of time. I've had to turn down traitors a couple times. Which I really want to do. But I just like, life hasn't let me yet. Well, three kids.

You guys are busy and this huge podcast. So fun. Are you guys going on a tour at all or no? No. is being anxiety. Did you ever do that? Really? Why? You know, I just, like, I'd rather just, yeah, it's just, I don't, I don't want to meet my critics, I don't know. I'm just trying to survive, bro.

No, you should do it. It's fun. We did, we did Alex's ones, and that was a lot of fun, and I, you know, I don't think I could do what she did, credit to her. Yeah, it was a lot. It was a lot. But it was not just, it was a, you know, it was a great production and everything, and it's just like it's um if i can't do that i don't want to do it you know i don't think i can't yeah that's harry thanks for coming man was that good do you guys need anything else is there anything else you want to say i don't know like i just um i hope you get more of the girls on and hopefully this is it you know hopefully that everyone should leave me alone and whatever i did uh you know i'm i'm very

sorry to everyone and i wish everyone well hopefully this relationship lasts and um well you oh for this, if you do marry this person that you're with, will you only post photos of yourself at that wedding, too? That's a good question. Depends how good I look to be. I imagine you'll look great. She's the boss. So whatever she says goes. I can't speak for, I can't speak for any of them. But I definitely don't think I can speak for Francesca, because I'm not as familiar with that. But I feel like if this really works out, Harry, for you, this relationship, and you truly are reformed and you've learned your lessons and you finally have figured it out. and you're here to protect your partner and do all the things that it is required in a relationship to really show up on a consistent basis.

I even think Jess Vesta will be happy for you and feel like, you know. I'm sure she is. I'm sure she doesn't care. Yeah, she's living her best life. But like it's Georgia. I mean, look at you and Georgia's relationship. Like, who would have thought that? Oh, my God. Wow.

Not me. Probably not you guys either. No, she came on our show and talked to her shit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you should have it back on. Hopefully she still says nice things. Harry, I do appreciate you coming on, man.

This has been fun. Hopefully not too painful. But yeah, listen, we're hoping. Hopefully you've, you know, I still won't probably recommend a friend if this doesn't work out. I hope you don't take that personally. But listen, good luck with everything. I appreciate you coming on.

I hope you had some fun. And I'm glad we were able to have you on, man. No, this is good. Thank you so much. And I'm glad we squash the beef. Squashed the beef. I figured that since everyone else was asking you about you and Nick's relationship, might as well just come on and talk about it yourself.

Yeah. Here we are. Yeah, me and Nick are actually together, guys. Surprise. I was like, why is everyone asking Harry about, man, it's just like, I didn't. You know, I'm glad they care. Yeah. I'm glad they care.

Yeah, it's nice. Glad they care. It's nice. I really appreciate it. And I think this will be a big curve both. everyone too. Well, thanks for coming on. Best of luck in this relationship.

Thanks for asking, addressing all of our questions. At the end of the day, Let's Mayor Harry was a very entertaining show. It was a great show. It was a great show. Thank you guys. I do empathize with the, you know, there's a lot of thing about production these shows.

That it's, it's tough to navigate. I mean, some of you know, you did a lot of bullshit for sure. Wow. But don't give me wrong. But I empathize with a lot of it. Thanks for listening. guys, Harry, thanks again. And I hope you guys enjoy this episode. Bye.