The Viall Files - E121 Lauren Zima recaps Listen to Your Heart ep 3

Episode Date: April 28, 2020

Lauren Zima joins Nick to dissect the third episode of Listen to Your Heart (LTYH). But first, they talk about Madison’s latest interview and Peter’s response. Then they discuss the news Chris dropped at the beginning of this episode, the emergence of Julia as the villain, and who they think will go all the way. Who are you rooting for? Be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode. THANKS TO OUR SPONSORS: HIDRATE SPARK: http://hidratespark.com/viall STORYWORTH: http://storyworth.com/viall See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

what's up everybody welcome to another episode of the vile files i'm your host nick joined by rochelle and special guest lauren zima to help us recap episode three of Listen to Your Heart, presented by The Bachelor. Listen to Nick Viall. I have a lot of, you know, honestly, I have a lot of thoughts about this episode. I was confused a little bit by some of it. You know, maybe you can offer some insight, being the lover of the host of the show.

I love what you always call me, lover. That'll never get old for me. But anyways, but before we do, I thought maybe we would chime in. And a lot of people have some opinions about, uh, Madison Pruitt and Peter Weber drama that kind of, uh, popped up on the scene last week when, when Madison, um,

was a guest on Caitlin's podcast. And then Peter decided to respond to some, you know, bachelor fan account, uh, seemingly pretty irritated and was wondering, you have any what do you think's going on Lauren what do you do you do you have any inside information before I share what my thoughts well I do think that Peter is somebody who like he's been through a lot of ups and downs with all this, right? And I think that he, I would imagine he's gotten quite frustrated with, like, coverage that there's been and gotten burnt out on it.

So it seems like his pot just boiled over a little bit with this one. What do you think? Well, I would agree with that. But do you think the, well, Peter alluded to there being more to the story um well we know how barb feels about madison right we know how that whole family feels about madison and we know where peter's allegiances lie yeah but i feel like at this point barbs and has become an easy scapegoat in terms of, especially for like criticizing Peter. Yes, it's obviously Barb is Barb

and Barb is a big personality and she has proven to not be afraid to say whatever she wants about her son's relationships. But my guess is we're probably not giving Peter enough credit for still doing what Peter wants to do. Like, we forget or act like he didn't push back to his mom on national television.

It's not like, you know what I'm saying? Like, in that moment, he had Madison's back. It's not. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I'm not saying he didn't. I'm just saying I think, like, when the dust settled, you know, I mean, Peter obviously is back with his family. And I think he probably like, I don't know. What did he say?

He said something like the there's more to the story. I mean, I don't know if there could be a more vague comment to make. So I don't know exactly what he's referring to. That is true. He said it was like I reached out to Peter. I was like, hey hey you're always welcome to come back and but at the same time i think he just might want to be done with it and there's i mean as much as i would love to have him on and and find out what that is the the truth is

there's nothing wrong with just letting it go and letting it die uh right but i agree with you i think he's just frustrated every every bachelor goes through it where like especially like the bottom third women on your season like love to like you know they're starving for attention you know all these girls who like popped up on madison's like snapchat or our tiktok whatever the fuck she was doing or happy to do it and to get headlines of like peter's women throw shade to peter it's just like, it gets annoying, right? Like they have no connection with him whatsoever. I guess my only thought too is just like, here's what we know.

Peter might be a lot of things. He might have been sloppy. You could have argued that maybe he's got some maturing to do. He's certainly indecisive. But what Peter has also been is honest, even to a fault, almost. He's been so honest that he's probably gotten himself in more trouble than he needed to, where other leads have been a little bit more measured and made decisions a little bit more based off of what the audience might think. And Peter truly hasn't done that. We also know Madison to be a little bit of a liar.

What are you referring to? I love saying this. It's true. I mean, people want to forget. I know Madison wants to forget it. But her Instagram. Oh, the fan account allegations things? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not an allegation.

It's a fact she did that. Yeah. And it also, it Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not an allegation. It's a fact she did that. I'm 100% sure. Yeah, yeah. And it also, it is, listen, it is silly and trivial, right? And there's a logical explanation for it that she wanted people to like her. It's a totally relatable thing. Listen, I'm more critical of that. And I know Madison thinks I don't like her.

And I know people think I've been hard on Madison. I think she's just fine. I've even defended Madison. But if you're going to be righteous and you're going to be pious and you're going to like talk about your relationship with God and how you want to be an example to like young women, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, then you really, I hold you to a higher standard. And so don't be a liar. Don't be vain.

I'm vain. I can be vain. standard and so don't be a liar don't be vain i'm vain i could be vain don't have your family use a bruce perl's house for your hometown and sell it as your own home when it's not your home like i'm just all these like i don't like that if you're gonna be super pious uh um i don't know i'm like i'm just saying i've you know and i've talked to producers and they're like they they like medicine and they also think she could be a little manipulative and a little bit of a liar. Well, aren't we all gray area? You're right.

You're absolutely right. But my point is, is that she is like, Madison is very smart and very calculated. It's not an accident. She did the TikTok with other girls when the Caitlyn episode. I have no problem with that. I'm not beyond doing shit like that. calculated it's not an accident she did the tiktok with other girls when the caitlyn episode i have no problem with that i'm it's not i'm not beyond doing shit like that i'm just saying like it's it's a little bit of hypocrisy of you know her brand is god and righteousness and being the true you know follower of christ and no all she is, is just a young woman who wants people to like her and does some

manipulative shit and like, you know, makes fake accounts and buys followers and then lies about it when she gets caught, like, which is a very human and relatable thing to do. But Peter has never lied. So when we get into the game of he said, she said, and it's like, who do you believe? Because, you know, they're both probably telling their own version, their own truth. But I, all I know is I know Madison has lied and I know Peter has, from what I can tell, hasn't. So. No, that's, I mean, I'm with you on in that. I have always, always, always said about Peter the entire season. Every time I interviewed him, all that, he was always kind. He was always gracious. He always said, thank you. And I will say no, no, no shade to other leads, but I've interviewed

some leads before where it's like, you know, there was not, there was not that same humbleness that Peter did maintain the whole time. And I think Peter's a really good guy who, yeah, had some like confusing back and forth moments. Cause here's the thing. And we talk a lot about age in this franchise, and I've said this to Peter and I would say it to him again. Okay, so Peter was this guy in his late 20s and people have given the franchise crap for having younger people on. You can be in your mid-30s and be immature as all get out. I think Peter, even though he was in his late 20s and had this job and all that, you know, Peter had lived at home for a while. I don't think he was necessarily his late 20s and had this job and all that. You know, Peter had lived at home for a while. I don't think he was necessarily used to, like, making big decisions on his own

without having his family to bounce ideas off of. And I think he got a little caught up in, what exactly do I want? What really is right for me as I'm suddenly released into the world on my own, traveling all over, meeting all these women and trying to figure it all out? And he was honest, by the way, during one of the seasons that I think would have been difficult for any lead to be honest in because what was happening for him was constantly changing. Like I felt like now that I look back at some interviews, I feel like he was trying to be honest. He was like, what do I say?

Because I don't even know what's going on, you know? Yeah, no. I mean, that's been Peter's kind of biggest fault is like sometimes his honesty don't people say that he kind of is fudging the details about kelly in the super bowl and that whole timeline but basing this off of what that they met and when he was talking to madison like that whole thing is a little bit iffy what's the super bowl thing i don't know the super bowl thing they ran into each other at the's the super bowl thing i don't know the super bowl thing they ran into each other at the super bowl i mean again i peter has the right to some privacy even though he's the bachelor i guess what i'm simply suggesting is i think madison is this is not a

criticism this is not this is a statement of fact i think well i mean it's my opinion but i'm from what i've heard around and what you've seen is that Madison, and I have no problem with her being calculated. I'm a calculated person, but she's far more calculated and far more self-aware of her brand and makes decisions based off of that than Peter. And I just, I don't think Peter, it doesn't seem like Peter did anything wrong. It might've been messy, right? I just don't think Madison is as, and this is in the, I mean, I like, I hope that Madison is like the less polished and less sweet. I just think she wants, again, she wants people to believe a certain thing. And that comes across for me, what I don't like is the righteousness of it all. Like, you know, like

being a good Christian isn't just about not kissing and having sex with other all. Like, you know, like being a good Christian isn't just about not kissing and having sex with other people, like, you know, and talking about God. There's a lot more that goes into that, like humility and honesty and things like that, and a lack of vanity and all the things that as humans we do, right? And I'm hypercritical of that kind of behavior, to be honest, just because I've seen it in my life, my whole life, and it comes across as incredibly disingenuous. And listen, I know I've defended Peter and I've criticized Peter, but for all the things we've bitched about Peter,

he has over and over demonstrated the qualities of a good human um and i think sometimes that's lost on on us and it's he's a little bit unfairly treated it doesn't mean he's the guy for you doesn't mean you want to have be in a relationship with him but um he's been sincere and he's been humble and he's been honest and uh yeah he ran into kelly at the super bowl like there's no he wasn't dating hannah ann then um he might have been talking to madison but it seemed like they weren't in a relationship there seemed to be a lot of gray areas there and i think put it this way i don't think think Peter would have put on some obscure Instagram, there's more to the story, if there wasn't more to the story. Yeah.

And I don't think Madison anticipated that. And I think she's operating under this, she knows that right now people aren't loving Peter and Kelly that much. She knows that she has the benefit of, well, I just was, of course that would. Right. She knows that she like has the benefit of like, you know, well, I just was, you know, of course that would bother me. Right. And she's playing to like what the what the narrative is. And she's smart like that. She's very clever. I don't know. Here's why I'm staying quiet, because I've never interviewed Madison. She was not – she didn't do interviews, you know, right after the finale. It was an unusual season in that Peter didn't. Hannah Ann didn't.

Madison didn't. So usually Entertainment Tonight would, like, interview them, you know, the lead in their final pick. I remember I sat down with you and Vanessa. So I haven't interviewed her yet. And I want to still. I want to ask her some questions and talk to her. Um, so it's hard for me,

like I don't want to, without having any like in person or even in, you know, in our social distancing world on the voice read on her, um, and hearing how she would respond to what I would ask. I don't, it's,

I don't want to be like, she's thinking this or she's doing this. Cause I don't know her. I don't know her. Um, she's thinking this or she's doing this because I don't know her. I don't know her. But I will say, like, if we're looking at the timeline for Peter and, you know, when he was interested in who or whatever. I mean, you can speak to this better than me. But I think if you're coming off the show, you're used to I'm going on a date with one person one day and a date with another person the next day. So isn't your timeline for, like, when it's okay to be into somebody and then into someone else

and that back and forth? Like, wouldn't you say Peter's is a little bit affected by his experience on the show? Like maybe one week he was thinking, I want to get back together with Madison and then whatever she said to him. And then the next week, you know what? I'm going to quarantine with Kelly.

It's entirely, that's entirely possible. And Peter has shown that he uh bought into the bachelor process more than anyone before him but if that is the reason then i would be critical of peter for that i don't think that's a justifiable excuse like you have to have some well i don't mean like you're literally thinking about the actual timing of it but i mean are you a little bit in that, like subconsciously in that headspace? You know what I mean?

I mean, I wasn't. I was all in at Vanessa at that time. And I just, I never, yeah. I mean, Peter's season kind of continued after the show and is like still continuing. Totally. It's a spoilable season. What I'm saying, if that's what's going on in peter's head that i think and i don't but i think like peter is an adult and the bachelor world is very

intense and and fucks with you it messes your head but it's not like you can't get out of it like when it's done filming like you're you're still back in the real world like you can't keep operating as if like well i don't know this is what i did for nine weeks so i can't break out of this routine i don't mean the routine i just mean i think he's still like confused and kind of maybe a little bit he was still all over the place like what do i really want what am i really into he didn't have a lot of very clear resolution i i i yeah i get what you're saying i guess i still don't understand the kelly of it all in terms of like i don't necessarily buy kelly's reasoning like oh i got locked in a closet like no you didn't like i understand that like you had to do interviews and maybe like

certainly like producers will like certainly make you feel like they have to manage everyone's time they'd certainly have to do that but they're not locking anyone in closets all right um what do you and i still don't get why pardon me like that it all happened on her birthday and they didn't reach out on her birthday who cares i mean it's not like i'm just simply saying my experience is that when if the leads truly into someone producers will certainly let that relationship have a chance to flourish. I don't think you can... I think it might be revisionist history, and I don't know what conversations are going on

between Peter and Kelly, but in that world, Peter was feeling other women more than Kelly. I mean, that's just a fact. I mean, well, first of all, if Peter had felt that magical of a connection with Kelly when they met at the wedding or whatever, then, you know, that would have,

I think that would have been more evident right from the start. She didn't even get his first impression rose on night one, you know? Totally. But I also can totally buy the fact that Bachelor World is a whole different way, a whole different world, and it sometimes forces things. And I can totally buy that Peter and Kelly are a great match, and they just weren't a great match for that world.

I'm totally fine with that. But, like, it's clear that Peter, like, Peter did get kind of screwed. Like, he seemed clearly like Madison the most, only to find out very late that she will barely kiss him. She won't, like, she had these incredibly rigid belief systems that Peter found out late in life and was trying to make it work and try to be the romantic, you know, person that he likes to believe that he is. And, and I'll, I'll do that. I can do this. I, if I truly love someone, I think Peter and Peter believes that like, if I really love you, I can

do this for love. But I think he, when he learned more and more about Madison and her beliefs and what she was unwilling to do outside of that world, it became very clear that just wasn't like practical. And that sucks for Peter, you know? Well, yeah. And I got some flack for criticizing Madison on that, but I 100% think she should have let him, if those beliefs were that important to her, she should have let him in on how intense those beliefs were much earlier. Think about how you are in the real world. Like, that's a big thing. Like, religion.

Do you want kids or not? There are these big tentpole things in relationships that you've got to get into right away. Otherwise, what are you doing? Otherwise, you're wasting your time because you get how far into a relationship and exactly that happens. You realize, oh, we're fundamentally different. And I think that, you know, people were trying to make it about like let's not criticizing her for not wanting to have sex or for wanting him to not have sex with other people

it wasn't about that to me it was about if you have these strong religious convictions you should have been discussing this with him earlier just like everybody else was discussing my parents are divorced or i have these big things or whatever. It's not. Yeah, I don't think it's about I believe, Peter, that Peter would have been like, if I have to wait to have sex with you, do we get married? And I love you. I'll do it.

But there's a lot more that seem to be a lot more to it than than that. But yeah, I would love to have Madison on this podcast. They're like we have some mutual connection I do know this like she she she was wondering if she wanted to come on and I put it out there and then I didn't get a response as of recently but she knows that I'm going to ask her about the Instagram and I know she doesn't want me to I know in fact she wants it to go away and I'm just like, you don't, no, I'm sorry. Like I just, I want her to admit it. And, uh, listen, I've, I've, uh, I've reached out to friends when I posted something and been like, Hey, do me a favor. Can you comment on this? Can you get dry?

Like, yeah, we've all done that. People do it. It's fine. But I just don't, don't be righteous and a liar at the same time. I have a problem with that. So I would love to have her on. What do you think about Peter and Kelly at this point? Great. Be good for them. I mean, I'm glad that Peter... Listen, I think in all seriousness,

as someone who was The Bachelor and I have literally nothing to show for it, I'm happy that Peter likes Kelly. and I have nothing, literally nothing to show for it. I'm happy that Peter likes Kelly. They seem to be getting along. They're clearly spending a ton of time as a result maybe of the times that we're in. And I fucking hope it works out for them. Like that's still a love story from Bachelor Nation.

And like, yeah, it's not traditional. And people watch the show and felt like, oh, we didn't get to see it on TV. But so what? Like, I truly am happy for them. I hope it works out. And if it doesn't, like, good for him. Like, I don't.

Right. I mean, how it went down seems like there's a lot of like it doesn't make a lot of sense and some questions. But like, that's fine. Whatever. That's just as a fan. But as a person, I as a, from a, as a person, I, um, I I'm happy for them. And I know as a person, as a former lead, I think, I do think Peter has taken some unfair criticism because it's just easy to, uh, it's easy. It's, it's easy to do right now.

Well, I also think like there's certain, there's certain people on social media who are like very loud, you know, and who are very, if you have a certain type of fan, they can be very loud and very aggressive and like very, so I don't know. I do think that, I think that sometimes it might seem like one person has all this support, but really it's just because there's this really loud group over here, you know? And I'm with you on the show 100% if you have real interest in somebody like from every, you know, interview I've ever done with leads, when I've interviewed producers,

executives, all that, at the end of the day, it works for the show, if there's a love story in the end. So they want to foster those real connections, right? They get you know, they get it would not work if every single season, the lead ended up with nobody, things didn't work out. They want to foster those real relationships. So I don't think that they would be putting to the side a true connection. And, you know, sometimes it's just timing too. Like, okay. Yeah. Obviously Peter and Kelly had a spark. I think Chris has said this in interviews. Maybe the show wasn't really the venue for them. Kelly had a spark. I think Chris has said this in interviews.

Maybe the show wasn't really the venue for them. And honestly, maybe Peter needed to go through the experience, learn a lot about how he approaches relationships. And maybe now things can work with Kelly. Because Kelly was sitting there telling him. She was telling him what we all knew he needed to know. Peter, relationships don't have to be hard. And I think Peter really thought that. He seemed to, you know, we all grow up hearing relationships take work, but there's a big difference between relationships are difficult

and you're working at your relationship. And I don't think Peter knew that distinction and he might now. Yeah, totally. And listen, I'll say this much and we will get into it when we actually talk about Listen to Your Heart. But like if Peter and Kelly are in a relationship a year or two from now, they'll be brought back as a success story, as future judges. Oh my gosh. I use myself as an example. I've been interviewing Chris since 2015.

We were both in different places. We didn't even look at each other a certain way. And we started dating years later. So it's like timing makes a difference where you're at makes a difference. Yeah, I got kind of forgotten, by the way, you might have talked about this, and I've missed it. But I kind of forgot that you had this similar story on your season where a woman you'd met at a wedding came on the show. And like, that didn't work out. So awkward. Did not. So awkward. So it doesn't always work out yeah a little different uh yeah uh yeah good tv it's good it got it got the it it off it it resulted in some initial good ratings that kept it going for a while. What a good producer answer. We're still at home and we still need to hydrate.

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let's get into the heart of the matter. Listen to your heart. What are your initial thoughts of episode three, Lauren? I mean, I'll be honest. I was, this one seemed a little forced. I mean, I know we had Chris on yesterday and he talked about everything changing. And I don't know if it's a product of,

there's only six episodes and the show still figuring itself out. But, you know, Chris walks in kind of like at the end of every paradise season. And he's just like, all right, time to couple up time to take this seriously. And everyone's like looking around me and like,

is this guy insane? Because Chris is an absolute pro. Is that Chris can come across as so unbelievably earnest, regardless of what he might actually think. I don't know. But like, you know, he's got a job to do. And he's a goddamn pro. And he walks in deadpan serious being like, now's the time to determine the rest of your life. And before you worry about music, you need to worry about love.

And everyone's like, what the hell is going on? And it was, I mean, it was wonderfully awkward, but it was confusing even as a viewer. It did feel quick. I'm with you on that. Maybe it was the number of episodes that, you know, this show was happening in because I don't know how much they were filming before he came in and said that. Like, I don't know the timing on that. But, you know, also, didn't it all kind of what was interesting to me about that was even though he said that and it felt so soon, other than the Julia Brandon Savannah thing, everything else kind of shook out as it was going to be. You know what I mean? Like they'd brought those new people in. I didn't even really the two new women. I didn't really see the two new women i didn't really

see the pink haired one and then the brunette the brunette went home on that rose ceremony pink hair she literally if she talked they didn't air it and she might as well have been a beautiful stunning woman right and and we i don't did i don't think we hear her we didn't hear her saying we didn't hear her talk they were like found her on the street and said can you stand there for a little bit we just you know that's why it almost seemed weird because they're like found her on the street and said can you stand there for a little bit we just you know that's why it almost seemed weird because they're like we're not bringing any other people and you're like you kind of barely did i don't know i feel like um i mean listen it's it's like chris said it's hard to make a tv show and i'm still enjoying the show but it's

almost seemed like it that part didn't it just seemed a little confusing and weird as if like they made such a big deal about bringing people in. Yeah. Kind of like a paradise, but they really didn't. And like at the end, like to your point, we're really just dealing and focusing on the cast that started the show anyways. Right, right. I, you know, I think maybe what they learned is that like bringing in those new people,

you know, they probably thought, well, we brought in these three new ones and what did it really do? How much more will it do to bring in other new ones? It's different in Paradise when you're bringing in alumni, you know, when people are excited to see certain people they already know and that kind of thing. So I think there was a bit of a learning curve there. I wish, you know, Jet Wyatt had walked. I know. No, I i mean i want to see him i know seriously that would have been great i don't know if jed would have done it he's in a he's i mean like he has a girlfriend now but that hasn't stopped him in the past so like right i

know um but even even if it wasn't a jet right i wonder if the i wonder if the producers looking back and watching the show now. And I do think maybe the show what the show could be missing are anchors, you know, like, you know, people that recognize that it would be kind of cool, even though it is a show about music. It would have been kind of cool for alumni who doesn't play music to come in and see like how the because like, let's be honest, like all these people who are playing music, they even said they're not, they're not used to dating other musicians. Right. So it's not as if just because you play music. Also it's a bad idea. Who's going to make the money? You know what I mean? Yeah. Right. So it would be kind of interesting if like Jed or I don't know who else shows up and someone's like, oh, ooh, you know, like, I got the music. And Chris Lane and Lauren Bushnell kind of drove that home for me.

I'm like, well, there it is. That's the couple where, you know, she's with the country artist. Look, it's a new show. They're figuring it out. What I hope happens, and I don't know what will happen now because of the quarantine life, but I think, like, I really like this show. And it's the first brand-new show launched in how many years in the franchise, the first show in years where it wasn't alumni focused. So I think it had some uphill battles. But if these people can get peppered into paradise

and then you can like get a rhythm going like I'm with you, I think maybe what they should have done is started off with the musicians and then brought in some alumni just to be like like okay kendall long do you want to date this like country singer you know like i i see that yeah yeah like kendall kendall walks in totally that's a that would have been a perfect cast right like um there's a little bit of a storyline there she could talk about jo. Fucking bring back Joe. Bring back Joe and Kendall. Now we've got a TV show. Joe and Rudy.

I so see Joe and Rudy. Oh, no. And I so kind of see Kendall and Brandon. Paradise. We're shipping in paradise right now. No, they're going to get back together. You think Joe and Kendall will? That's what my hope is.

She was sad. You don't know what. Yeah, they're going to get back together. You think Joe and Kendall will? That's what my hope is. She was sad. You know what? Yeah, we're gonna get back together. No, I absolutely don't think so. I liked them together. I mean, I, I, I, this is, I'm, Matt's opinion based off of knowing very little, but. Well, you know what it is?

It's one of those fundamental things. He wanted to be in Chicago. She wanted to be in LA. It's those fundamental things. Where you want to live. What do you believe? Do you want the children's? Do you want the marriage? The four cornerstones? Oh, yeah. All those things you don't like you just kind of ignore. So you live in Canada, huh?

Yeah, that's fine. So anyways, yeah, Savannah has this like bizarre over, what's his name? Who's a really sweet guy? What's his name? Gabe. Gabe. Really nice guy. Kind of reminds me of Markel from Andy's season.

Charming, not a musician. Markel was like, a lot of people want him to be the first black bachelor. And he's a great guy. Good looking, charming, cool guy. never like went there uh emotionally with andy he had a hard time opening up that way yeah it gave very cute very cute but yeah so he kind of like he shoots his shot with savannah like hey i would i kind of want to be with you which is also was kind of out of left field and then she has this meltdown because apparently she doesn't reciprocate the feelings.

I don't, I don't know if there was more of the story, but yeah. Anyways, Julia both had these moments like Julia on the last episode where she was crying because she thought she was allegedly crying over Sheridan on the, on the last episode that he wasn't gonna, you know, that Brandon was going to give her his rose and Sheridan was going to be so heartbroken. And then now Savannah is crying over Sheridan on the on the last episode that he wasn't gonna you know that Brandon was gonna give her his rose and Sheridan was gonna be so heartbroken and then now Savannah

is crying over Gabe I do think you see that musicians are emotional like there is a smart choice here and bringing in these artistes who are like these emotional human beings you know so we've got some kinks to work out but But yeah, I mean, Savannah having a full please turn the cameras off breakdown over hurting Gabe's feelings was rather wild. Yeah. And it was funny because who's the guy she's with? The blonde haired man? Brandon.

Brandon. Brandon was like kind of a dick when he was like, are you going to keep crying? Oh my God. But also kind of like needed to be said. And it was a dick move, but he kind of said it, and she actually laughed too, where it was like, you're being a little silly.

But she was so ridiculous that that very dickish thing to say got a total pass. The Brandon Julia Savannah of it all like i i was enraged watching this episode i was well julia's a little potster she is the villain she's a villain to me she threw savannah under the bus with brandon she told him that she was odd and not getting along with women which by the to me is one of the worst things you can say about another woman that she doesn't get along with women that she wasn't like that's harsh that's being like you are not you're the evil girl especially in that world i mean i was totally team savannah like i'm the guy who like especially on any season we're a bunch of guys who are just like weird and broey and i

decided not to like like do the same i decided not to just get fucking wasted or like be weird. And I just kind of kept to myself. Like they were just like, you don't have any friends here. And I'm just like, I just don't like you guys. You know, and it was just like all that, like that's not indicative of your character or who you are just because you choose not to be a follower. And I also don't even think that was true with Savannah.

I saw her getting along with people I think to me Julia well exactly I mean I had friends on the end of the season where it was just like I Markel JJ even talked to Josh at the time I'm like I'm just not a follower well you were talking about liars I think Julie's at the point of lying Julia then called then told Savannah or then said that Savannah was you know being fake in her relationship with Brandon. Julia sitting here right now, she's telling Savannah, well, yeah, I didn't think it was fair, you know, to you and Sheridan to, like, not tell you the truth. Yet she was the one taking Sheridan's rose, acting like she was so happy to be with him when she was telling the camera she was, quote, crazy about Brandon. I'm like, you're the one who's lying to this poor, naive, long-haired man.

And she's so afraid about like, she's so, and then she's like accusing Brandon of like manipulating. The only one manipulating anyone is she's this manipulative. Sheridan is this like, basically a little pet that follows her around and so naive. And she is just manipulating the crap out of him. And like went from focused on Brandon and... Savannah. I keep calling her a secret villain. And then when she goes on and performs, she turns it on.

She has a clear focus. She's performing and good for her. And she's selling the relationship with Sheridan, which she has zero feelings for. Why do you think she's a secret villain? I feel like she's just a villain villain. Well, because I think she's a secret villain? I feel like she's just a villain villain. Well, because I think she's a person. I think she was a secret villain in the house.

Because I don't think she wasn't a person who was like going around saying this stuff to everybody. She was just saying it to Savannah. Just saying it to Brandon. So I think she comes across in the house overall like a girl's girl. And she's friends with everybody. And, you know, she's beautiful and like appears to be kind you're right i guess you're secret villain that's a great that's a great call that's a great call lauren we're like my guess is that uh even when while recording no one really suspected that when they go home they weren't like oh this julia she's gonna be

a villain and even julia julia is surprised by her what she claims is edit and it's probably but like she did this shit like listen there might they might be emphasizing it but like some of these looks might have been a bit of it forced but like you can't edit when she goes to uh uh when she says uh i when she says this aven, I have no feelings for Brandon. I was like, what? Why? What?

I interviewed Savannah. I interviewed her, uh, after the episode, uh, I'm sorry, but right before the, uh,

episode was going to air. And I asked her, I'm like, what did you think of that moment? Like, did you think for a second that she didn't really have feelings for Brandon? She said, oh, no, I knew. Like, Savannah said she kind of held her tongue in that moment because she, you know, she felt like Julia was just so sort of off the reservation.

But I kind of wish she'd unleashed on her. Yeah. Julia attempts to gaslight her by saying, like, I feel like I'm the one being attacked by you calling me. Like, you literally are. You asked her to talk. You're attacking her her and now she's defending herself and you're accusing her. I mean, you're, she's a, Julia's a pro. I mean, she is a great television, by the way. And I was sitting here watching her and thinking, and this kind of also clicked to me about the show this week is I think when you have these artists, you can either have somebody who's like super manipulative, as you said, can perform, can like come across one way and is like very driven.

Or you can also have somebody who's like maybe a bit too image conscious because they're thinking about what's their career going to be and they're not really like giving into all this. And Julia is the first. And I think we needed more Julia's. I think, like, because to me, I'm like, this is good reality television. I'm watching this craziness, you know? But it was, yeah, it was so absurd. So absurd. And then during the singing, she's like, no one here is genuine, and it's really bothering me. And it was weird for her to say that because she wasn't into her partner.

Oh, and wanting, she was saying that brand and brandon savannah should go home my favorite part was when she said ding ding ding okay julia i mean uh she's being she's confusing herself like she she might like here's the thing she's falling victim to a very classic case of she might she's probably right about Brandon Savannah she probably is they're probably not there's a good bet that Brandon Savannah aren't gonna end up together in life or even on the show she probably they might be playing up the relationship one of those two more than reality she might be very right there but she's so obsessed with being right about that relationship she is being so transparent about her own motives

and coming across as so disingenuous because everything she is saying and doing is all based off this premise of being right about that relationship so she thinks in her head i'm i'm the right person i'm like this is okay because i'm calling this out to america america needs to thank me for calling out this bullshit. And she's not thinking about how she's coming across as it relates to her relationship with Sheridan and how disingenuous she looks, which is kind of fascinating

because I think we see that a lot in life about how we become hypocrites because we get so fixated on one storyline and we tell ourselves it's okay based off the fact that we think are right. Meanwhile, like it totally gets in a way of our own bullshit, our own actions and like totally opens ourselves up for criticism. Well, she keeps saying that she has some feelings for Sheridan that she's torn. I'm like, no, no, you don't. You said that you were crazy about Brandon.

No, you don't. You said that you were crazy about Brandon. Like, if you're crazy about one person, I don't believe you're torn equally about the other. You know what I mean? And it was interesting to me, too, though, how quickly Brandon picked Savannah. Really? That was bizarre. After having that literal water cooler conversation with Julia in the morning. So who do you think is the bigger offender here, Brandon or Julia? Both. That didn't surprise me because I think Brandon probably is a little bit of a playboy, which is fine. Here, Brandon thinks he's coming into this

environment that's probably paradise-esque, and things are happening faster than he expected. None of these people have been on the show before right so he's just thinking okay well i'm gonna keep my options open you know they easily forget that they're miked right they think if they whisper they're not being heard you know it's classic you know um reality tv mistake by people and then all of a sudden chris comes in and says hey make your pick so So Brian's like, okay, I pick Savannah. It's simple. Brandon's face when that happened, he was like. Yeah, he was like, this is insane.

He's like, okay. It's been pretty clear he's always preferred Savannah, but I think he liked keeping his options open, and he liked Julia. And the age thing. I'm like, this dude's like 34, right? And he's still like, I agree. I think he's like

probably used to being a bit of a playboy like whatever um and he wasn't uh but here's here's the people don't talk about this on the show as much but you see this a lot in paradise and you know it kind of maybe comes it plays to kind of societal norms where you know you have this reality show that's based off of finding your partner and finding your one and a lot of times guys get themselves in trouble and these um love triangles sometimes it's the women you know hannah got herself in a bit of a love triangle and oftentimes it's based off the idea that the one person who has two options doesn't really like either of them all that much, right? And so they're pretending to try to like two people a lot. They don't really like anyone. And you know what I'm saying?

But they're in this reality show that's about finding love. So they play into it. And I think that's why. I don't know if brandon really is a player what i think is safe to say he's not all that in love with either of them right like savannah is his favorite least option uh interesting that that that much i'm sure of so like you know do i think he's a playboy in life or he's like no i don't know i mean there's i don't have that much information but i think it's just pretty clear that he doesn't, he's not that into either of them, but he's on a show about love.

Chris is coming in saying, you know, that's what makes Chris great. And the producer's great because it's like, you got to take love seriously. And so the people listen to what they're directed to do. And then that's used against them because, well, they don't really like anyone, you know? And, but, you know, but in fairness, the producers are Chris.

Chris is just like, if Brandon really listened to Chris, he would have left the show. Because Chris said, because Chris was, Chris was like, if, you know, respectfully leave if you're not really feeling it. And I think Brandon should have respectfully left because I don't think he's really feeling it with anyone. Okay. I've been in this situation before where I've been dating two people at once. And then I was like, no, I like this one person better and I'm sticking with them. Oh. Yeah. No, people can do that. I think that can happen. I also think sometimes you don't really like any of them. I think it's my case with Brandon. Well, interesting. Maybe

that is tell me what you think Lauren maybe that's the difference between men and women because you pointed out Hannah G and now she's like she's engaged to Dylan maybe I think guys definitely do that more but I don't know

well and that's a good point too it's not like I've done that a bunch I've done it like I don't know, twice. I can think of like when I was dating two people at once. I'm like, OK, you know, and you've got to be honest with both people and be like, oh, I'm kind of still dating around. And yeah, maybe that's a thing for males and females. God, we are figuring out so much here today.

Well, and that's that's what I do still love about this show is that it still plays into societal norms. Like, it plays into relationships and how things happen in the real world, even when it's not including music and a staged environment. It's still very, like, relatable in terms of social dynamics. And I do – that's what i really enjoyed about this episode um so yeah so now we have the performances everyone's prepping for the big performance um who were who are your favorites and who are your least favorites well i think natasha can really sing that was crazy like she can really belt right yes um the i will say that my favorite in terms of the way i like to watch the bachelor which is like

cringy and horrifying was probably the becca danny i'm not gonna kiss you of it all which was wild uh what did you think uh yeah here's what I thought. I thought Becca was Rudy for three quarters of the episode. I forgot they were. I was just like, oh, Rudy's dating this guy. They kind of look alike. Yeah. And yeah, I mean, you know, it was kind of funny that I loved her honesty about like, well, we kissed and now we have to work it out. And I do listen. I give her credit again. It's so easy in that world to fake your feelings to stay. And she didn't. And I give her credit for that. He's a handsome guy. He kind of looks like Dylan, by the way. Looks like Dylan, by the way. I did not think it was fair that he went in for kisses with her multiple times during the performance. Like she had said to him, it takes me longer.

I'm not like really there yet. And I thought to put her on the spot and like try to go in for the kiss in front of the judges was not a cool move, if I'm being honest. Yeah, I get your point. But they were, you know, but I know he was also trying to be like let's put on a good performance and maybe he was more in that mode of we're performing you know we're like selling a love song here um but it was i mean she was literally moving her mouth like she was like like to get away like wild yeah i get what you're saying i guess i'm reluctant to like say, like suggest he was being inappropriate only.

It's just like, okay, he went for a kiss and like. I think it was because he did it a couple times. I was like, just, I just don't. I know. But we're also like, we do know that there's moments we don't see. So like, I guess we just don't know if he's getting mixed messages.

I, you know, but it's clear to us that she's not into him. And maybe that was the overwhelming theme but um i i don't think he's a criminal for like trying to well i'm not saying he's a criminal i'm just saying no i know yeah i know but i think that you know that performance was it was interesting to me how telling that made things i mean you did see what these performances how it was kind of like wow to be called to be judged on your to have people like talking to you about your chemistry it was also interesting that brandon and savannah were told

they didn't really have chemistry i was like oh god okay so interesting uh yeah i love well i she's concerned she can really really sing i also who's who's Rudy West again? Matt? Is that Matt? Yeah. It's the first time we kind of really heard Matt's voice. I like it. It's a really pretty voice. He's got a nice voice. I've really warmed up to Matt.

I do think Matt has the best potential to be the guy who goes to paradise from this season. Yes. No, he's taking a turn for the better after his comment in the beginning about beginning about how he was gonna quote circle back with rudy okay matt why don't you reply all on this email and see if anyone brings it to the top of their inbox like what no he's he's found his groove he's got a nice voice i also want to point out that like no disrespect to kesha she's awesome pop star but i felt like where was the like it was like hey Jason Mraz he won a couple Grammys and now Kesha and like Kesha is great but damn Jason Mraz is awesome like I thought that was a big get for the show uh he's he's an incredibly talented musician he's I don't know I'm a big Jason Mraz fan but But it was like, Chris was like, and now, you know, it was like he really, he sold Kesha

more than he sold Jason, you know? Well, maybe. I will say Jason Mraz has done, he's done the judging thing on Idol before. I don't, has Kesha ever came and judged a musical competition before? I don't know. I mean, both great kids by the show. So maybe it felt like a bigger get. Yeah.

They're both great. But I mean, I'm a big Jason Mraz. I listen to a lot of Jason Mraz on Andy season. Clearly. Oh, wow. So this is personal for you. Beautiful Mess, one of his greatest songs. Wow. What song did you listen to after the Fantasy Suites? I don't know. What song did you listen to before the fantasy different is yeah i don't i can make a joke but i'm not going to uh different different songs um

well no i mean i thought the only thing i'll listen i i've said this before i had a great time with andy and i always i just i just knew because josh's josh's was after mine and i knew like i just knew you know i i knew i didn't know she was going to pick him but i knew that she was going to figure out whether she should or not you know and it was that was hard to that was a that was a wild experience to to know that wow and this is so dark great great no i'm not you know um yeah um i think uh chris and uh uh what's her name i'm sorry and i apologize i'm still learning there's i'm still learning characters but the best performances were chris and brie right there i think they're they're the a couple i think they're the ones are going to get the tour uh chris is has such

a beautiful voice they do i mean really i will say like i i as far as the show goes when they sing i'm really enjoying that aspect of it. Like I found myself like I'll watch these shows and I'll be like doing other things in the background. And all of a sudden the performances will come on and I'll like put my phone down and I'll really watch it. And I'm feeling feelings. I'm like, this is like really beautiful and sweet. And I feel like sappier watching the performances than I ever have watching The Bachelor. Interesting.

Wow. I will say, you know, for me, I'm like, it's also been interesting to see who becomes more attractive once they start singing. You know, like it's like when somebody has an accent and you're like, oh, that like up to your attractiveness level. I think that if when someone can suddenly belt out, you're like, oh, that gives like a new realm of sexy. Rochelle, you're like, ooh, that gives like a new realm of sexy.

All right, Rochelle, were you feeling that? Was that just me? Um, I, like, who are you thinking of?

I like, Ryan to me is sexy when he sings, like sexier when he sings. I thought Brandon was sexier when he sang. I wasn't really into him. Brandon's definitely

sexier when he sings. Yeah, and he, and they all play, all the guys play instruments. It doesn't seem like the girls do much of playing instruments. They're jamming.

I know nothing about music, but I felt like Ryan killed it in the John Mayer sing-along, whatever. And this was not a strong performance from him. And he even felt like Kesha was like, when he started. Does he like Natasha, though? Because I don't think he does. And I think he's like weirded out by her. Oh, I agree.

But I don't think that affects his singing. Well, I think they have very different styles. She's this big belter, right? And I don't know if he is. It was also really interesting to see what arrangements they came up with. I thought that was a smart choice to have them come up with the songs together. Also because how hard is it to, you know, to work with someone you're dating? And like that, so that like, is it going to work well?

Is it not? Are you going to mesh well? Like that was interesting to me. I'm actually a big believer, you know, hence I literally shat where I ate and started dating someone I was interviewing. Yeah, you did. You have like, when you have that commonality, it can really kind of make or break your relationship. But I felt like Ryan just got like kind of swallowed up by Natasha with that.

And they also literally swallow each other's faces when they kiss. I cannot watch Ryan kiss people. It's so gross. Yeah, Ryan's not into, they're not into each other. This is all for show. They might be the most disingenuous. So glad we got the proper usage of disingenuous on this show. We're also getting a lot less usage of the word like, which I've been appreciating.

That's true. Well, I'm not one to criticize. So who do you think is really – I mean, I'm with you on Chris and Brie. I think they're really into each other. They seem to be two people who legitimately, for like what the premise of the show is which is i've had a hard time finding love and i need to find it like that is them yeah and they're the classic you know they're that classic couple like you know jade and tanner jade and tanner got on no airtime you know because it was like okay we're in love and then we're not part of drama we're not confused we're not part of drama. We're

not confused. We're not in each love triangle. We're just like, we just like each other. So they'll really focus on Chris and Brie towards the end. And there's no way they're not the couple that wins the tour. I'm fascinated to see what happens with Sheridan and Julia, because I will give as much as Julia truly incensed me this episode, I was kind of wondering, are they like a Carly and Evan where maybe she's not into him? Maybe she thought she was into this other dude, and then he's just like such a genuine guy

that she will realize what she has right in front of her? Ooh. You think now? Carly's a much, I'll just say Carly seems to be a much better person because she was not a villain Julia's the secret villain yeah

I'm reluctant I don't want to she might be the villain but I'm I don't like suggesting that we know who Julia is as a person I said on TV Carly's no saint and i've heard lots of lots of rumors um about other things that we won't get into but um about carly uh well and more you know

anyways um i'll tell you after have you not heard this stuff i don't know man i'll tell you after. Have you not heard this stuff? I don't know, man. I'll tell you later. It's not, it's not, not, yeah, anyways. Okay, wow, okay, okay. Anyways. I think Jamie and Trevor could be the final couple too. You don't think, Lauren?

No, actually, I was just going to say, let me know what you think, Lauren, but I think I'm surprised how disinterested I am in that couple. This episode. Yeah, they sort of disappeared, right? They were like the story, and now they're... I think Trevor's real low-key. I do. He's just really almost too low-key for reality TV to me, because try to think of something

Trevor's actually said or done on camera. And I can't think of anything. Jamie, I'm like, she's rolling around on the floor. She's freaking out. Jamie's so hard on herself. The comments she makes about her own life. She's like, I just want something to go right for once. I'm so afraid. I'm so, you know, she is telling us her emotions and feelings. I've not like heard from Trevor. I really appreciate her honesty. I've not heard from Trevor. I really appreciate her honesty. She seems like a sweet girl. She is the youngest, I think.

She's 21. And while she's a fine singer, I think she knows. And what we've seen so far is that there's a lot of talented people on this show. And she might be the weak link. And that's not that... Listen, she can sing far better than I ever could and I ever dreamed to. But, you know, this is a, you know, there's a competitive element to the show when it comes to singing.

And it seems like there's some really strong singers here. And like, so you're the youngest person. So, you know, young people, you know, there could be some insecurities that you don't have. She's still growing in herself. And then she walks in this very intimidating environment where the people are just like belting out. I appreciate her honesty and her vulnerability to,

to own that, that it has been good TV. And I, I applaud her for, for just kind of saying that because other people would, you know, there's a lot of other people who would, who would pretend to be delusional about it and,

and look even crazy. And she doesn't look crazy. She just looks sweet and vulnerable. I love the Kesha moment about self-love and giving her encouragement. I thought that was all great. When Jamie told Trevor, and it was last episode, but when she told him,

I have never been in a healthy relationship, so I don't have anything to go off of. I was blown away by that level of insight at 21 and who isn't in that place at 21. Most of us are. That awareness was really powerful to me. I really enjoy that. Like, Jamie's been, she's been a better, like, yeah, she's, she's been great in that respect. And she's, yeah,

if I'm Jamie, I'm, I'm really, people, yeah, you gotta, you gotta like Jamie for all those things. She's that perfect combination of messy and self-aware,

but like relatable. And I think, yeah. I'm missing, I will say I'm missing like a wackadoo on this show. Like a Corinne, a Demi, the kind of character where they're not really a villain, but like they just do wild stuff. You don't have enough.

Again, I think it's a product of there's too much going on and not enough episodes. You've got the music thing. You've got the love thing. Oh my gosh. It's just like. And we've got like six dates an episode. Like we're not even seeing them get the date cards. I was like, when did Tasha and Ryan get a date card? I just think,

I think honestly, yeah, it's, it is missing that, but how do you fit that in without, uh, confusing people and have it be kind of how, like, how do you focus on that and give it air time, uh, without like, you know, um, focusing on some of the other things it's just michael todd he burned hot and brief i mean for i would have watched more of him because he honestly he's like the cam remember the cam from uh hannah season oh yeah and cam was on for how many episodes and we only got one episode of michael todd Yeah. Yeah. No, I totally agree. I want this to be a little funnier. And it could have been nice to keep. Is there any woman you could see thriving on Paradise?

Jamie. Jamie. Yeah. I want to see Rudy on Paradise, too, if she's not with Matt in the end here. I mean, because I think they both. It's like they're together, but they could also be great on Paradise too, if she's not with Matt in the end here. I mean, because I think they both, it's like they're together, but they could also be great on Paradise. Yeah, I think Jamie's good TV, but I think Jamie fits the profile a bit more,

and I think she has more longevity in that world. Nick, how are you? Can we do a vibe check on you? Why, are you worried about me? Well, I mean, this has been like over a month now of the quarantine life. Yeah. How are you? I'm actually doing great.

Okay, good. Why are you doing great? I'm fine. What's helping you do great? I'm getting a little over the monotony of it all. I'm a creature of habit, but the routine is a little bit much. The NFL draft was this weekend weekend so that was a nice a break although i'm not really happy with what my team has been doing but what the fuck do i know

um i'm a packer fan but chris should probably be happy as a cowboy fan on paper it seems to be an exciting draft for him i really like seeing all of their houses. Yeah. And you know what? It's probably their actual houses. None of them went to their agent houses, so they looked more wealthy. No, and I liked seeing the coaches and all that. I was like, wow, look at all these man caves that could really use some decorating help. Right.

But I'm all right. I'm keeping in contact with friends via FaceTime. People are out there. People are hungry for love. Are you doing a lot of dating? I'm connecting with people as often as I would without coronavirus. Powerful stuff. Again, I mean, different, not physically, but I'm a strong believer that this is a great,

I think there's going to be a ton of quarantine love stories and divorces is a result. There's going to be a bunch of people who realize I really fucking hate you. Wow. Having been stuck in a house with you and let's just get divorced. And there's going to be a ton of stories of I met him on whatever dating app. And we talked every day for weeks. And like some of them will burn out when they meet in person. And there will be a lot of people who really, really connected because they spent most, they spent the beginning part of the relationship, communicating, talking, getting to know each other. You know, maybe there was like

some sexting and, you know, whatever, but like took the pressure out of the physical hooking up right away. People are literally forced to have these conversations and get excited about someone. I think it goes back to some of the dating aspects that we've lost a little bit over the years with the abundance of choice of going out there. And I honestly think from a love life standpoint, I think there's going to be some nice stories that come of it. Not necessarily for me, but for people in general. I think it could be for you. Well, see, I really wanted 2020 to be my year, you know? It could be. I've had some, I'm surprised by how much this has affected me. Like I'm kind of over a hump now, but in the first

few weeks of this, I was like mentally and emotionally a little off. I was like real stressed out. I was the opposite. I actually was surprisingly thriving early on. Because one, I don't think, sadly, my life wasn't too much different than how quarantine made it in the sense that I, you know, I spent a lot of time alone. I was fortunate enough to, yeah, I was fortunate enough to still like, for the most part, work-wise, still remain just as busy without, as Rochelle pointed out, the burden of commuting in LA. So the first three weeks, I was actually like,

I haven't had anxiety and whatever. And what I thought to myself is, I think single people, a lot of the anxiety they get about life, especially as it relates to their relationship status is FOMO. You know, the fear like that, like you go on Instagram, you're seeing people have fun. You don't really want to go out, but it's Saturday night and you feel like you should be going out. So you feel this FOMO. But now because no one's out, you don't feel it. And that's kind of a burden off your shoulders. But like I last, like last week, I was just like, felt a little bit low. I felt a little bit lonely. I felt, it was just like, Oh God, this is like, it got a little much. Uh, but you know,

all, all in all I'm, I'm doing well. And, and, uh, I, uh i uh i'm i'm thankful for the position i'm currently in and trying to make the most of it and um and you've been everyone you're you've been making hilarious comedy moments and i'm grateful for them thank you yeah i've uh i'm trying to come up i feel like i've had a bit of a creative uh in the past couple days when i'm trying to come up with some new stuff. I don't know. Whatever. But yeah, that's been fun. I mean, I have time to be creative and that's always fun. Again, I am trying

to make the most of the situation we're in. And that's all we can try to do. Yes, sir. So, well, anything else, Lauren? Anything else you need to let the people know and what are you working on your plugging obviously Rose and roses is

still kicking ass yes roses and roses it's okay we have I'm sorry roses and roses is recapping and reviewing listen to your heart every Tuesday it's up on entertainment tonight's YouTube channel and of course I'm on the Instagram and the tick tocks and the Twitters. Not the Snapchat.

Snapchat? What is Roses and Rosé going to review after this ends? I don't know. I honestly wonder, can't you like make, we have all these quarantine relationships. Can't you just update us on all the... Can't you just even speculate on Chris and...

Victoria? Chris and Victoria. Oh, that Chris. God, we have so many Chris's now. Anna and Tyler. Peter and Kelly. I might do Roses and Rose on, there are other reality shows I love,

like 90 Day Fiance. I might do old episodes or old seasons of Bachelor or Bachelorette. I've thought about that. Maybe I'll, I never did Andy's season. There we go. Yeah. How does Chris feel uh how does Chris feel

about like you watching like Too Hot to Handle oh he doesn't have a problem with it I mean you know it's like for work I cover yeah for work I did all of our Too Hot to Handle coverage I do 90 day fiance interviews I do you know I think that's a good thing I would not I don't as much as we can work together I don't know how it would be if my entire job was The Bachelor that is that is true you know dark um uh well Lauren I do appreciate you taking time always always fun to have you on I appreciate you and I love you and I can't wait for you to find the love of your life in 2020. Well, thank you very much. Thank you for listening, guys. Make sure to check us out tomorrow to listen to a very fun episode with Shan Budram, who is a sex and relationship coach.

You've seen her on a bunch of different shows giving her expertise. It's a really fun episode, just talking about relationships in a time of quarantine, sex from an expert and a woman's point of view. And I just had a fun conversation with her. So make sure to check that out tomorrow. And don't forget to send your questions at asknickatcastme.com, cast with a K. And as always, thank you for listening. See you tomorrow.