The Viall Files - E125 Paul Scheer - Betting on Yourself

Episode Date: May 6, 2020

The hilarious Paul Scheer joins Nick during quarantine. They talk about Paul being there when Nick was announced as The Bachelor, Paul tells us how his kids are doing, and he shares his prediction for life after COVID19. Will the next season of The Bachelor take place entirely in a hot tub? Be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode.  THANKS TO OUR SPONSORS: STORYWORTH: http://storyworth.com/viall ARTICLE: http://article.com/viall BETTERHELP: https://betterhelp.com/viall See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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What's up, everybody? How you doing? Happy Wednesday. I am Nick, joined by Rochelle. Hope you're doing great. We have a great episode for you today. Paul Scheer is our guest. I'm a big fan of Paul. He is a very successful comedian, actor, writer. He does it all. He's got two hit podcasts. He's got two hit podcasts. I got to meet Paul for the first time when I was announced as the bachelor. He was one of the guests on After Paradise.

And I was like, I was excited about being the bachelor. And I was excited about, oh, that's Paul Scheer. And we've done, you know, he had me do a little project for him. And he was gracious enough to be a guest today and just have a fun conversation about like what he's doing, what he's up to, how he's settled in with the new times that we're in. And it's been a ton of fun. Yeah. So how are you doing, Rochelle? I'm good. Also, if you guys haven't seen Burning Love, he's in that and his wife is like the star of it. It's a parody of The Bachelor. That's right. Yes. Yeah. I have seen that. It's really good. Yeah. It's so dumb. It's his whole spoof on The Bachelor.

Really funny. Yeah. If you are looking for light, easy, digestible content and you're a Bachelor fan, go look up Burning Love. Absolutely. Classic. Thank you for reminding me of that. Well, I'm going to let's just get to Paul

and get right to the episode. Yeah, let's do it. Thanks for listening, guys. As always, don't forget to send your questions at AskNickAtCastMe.com for our Ask Nick episodes. Check us out on Mondays if you haven't yet. You will really enjoy it.

We get some great callers and people share their stories and relationship questions and we all learn a little bit about each other and how we can improve our situation. So make sure to check that out. And without further ado, Paul Scheer. Paul, thanks for joining. I am so excited to be here. We're in quarantine. What else do we have to do? I know. I really appreciate it. I mean, I guess before I get into finding out what you're doing for quarantine, I do have, I'm dying to ask you this question. Sure.

You've had this very successful career. You, you know, a regular, not even a regular, but the league, huge hit show I'm a huge fan of. You've been on Veep, Black Monday, got two successful podcasts. You're doing a bunch of shit but was the highlight of your career being a guest on After Paradise when I was announced as The Bachelor is that the highlight I feel like it probably is you know I have to say that you kind of hit the nail right on the head I've never honestly I will say that there are a couple of moments in my life where the excitement and energy had been around something. And going on that show went from like, oh, this will be fun. We'll talk about something to a full on like, okay, this is it. We have the biggest news of all time. And we're breaking it here.

And it was like we can't tell anybody. And I was already in a closed off space. So like where would I go? was there was an energy to it and i love energy like that i love when you know the everybody is on a very tense uh level and ready to blow it out but yeah i would say that was definitely the top three like my kid my first kid my second kid and then the the reveal of that yeah i'm sure did you did you know did you find out when i walked out the door or did like elan give you the heads up um i knew that there i can't remember exactly how it went down i remember that when i was doing my pre-interview

uh we were talking about who we thought it would be and because at that point there was like a front runner that it seemed like everyone was like oh oh, that's what it's gonna be. And you were the surprise, you were the twist. So it was like that. And I was like, oh, that guy's boring. And then when I got there, like, we're doing something big. And it was it was that idea of there is a secret happening. We can't tell you we want everything to be real. yeah i was definitely i believe it was when you walked out through that door i was excited look i'm a fan i was ready to go i uh it was kind of a surreal moment for me too but i remember you being there and i was such a fan of the league when the league when i was out i was like oh oh my god i'm the bachelor there's paul sheer oh my god

you're right because now i'm remembering more because now i know you more so it is it's hard to parse out those moments and now that you're saying that because i remember we were all like in this little scrum like the celebratory like new year's eve like hey it's a party uh and i was like i was like shaking your hands like oh this is crazy like i i was a fan of yours and it was yeah that was a really intense moment. That show, Bachelor After Paradise, I wish they would do more of that. I like the after show. I almost feel like you could cut like 30 minutes off the regular show and just do more of that talk. But that's a tense show. And it gave me a little bit of an insight on that world that I don't necessarily have that much experience in like that, you know, building to something and making sure that every segment has an energy to it.

And there was definitely, you know, there was definitely an energy there that I'd not experienced on a regular talk show or, you know, a regular, you know, just recap kind of show. Like there's not that energy on Walking Dead. Like, okay, Michonne's here right now. She just killed you. You got to come on air and you got it you're mad at machan like you know it's like that kind of a thing uh it's funny because i almost feel like the rate i remember the ratings of the after show not being awesome in general i feel like almost it was like a few years few years too early because like you know the know, the podcast world, for example, has really blown up since then. Like people just wanting to get more content of their favorite

content and just digest it. I wonder if like the appetite for something like that is a little bit stronger now. You know, I also felt like there's this weird thing, and I love Chris Harrison. Chris Harrison is the best i will not say anything bad about him but i will say that he treats the bachelor with such reverence that you needed to kind of make the after show a little bit more like hey we're having fun now like now like you know like let's let's break it down and he was always very funny but like i almost feel like it's like dad's still home like when he was hosting, you know. So it's like he couldn't like really have a house party.

It was like – It's like are we allowed to – yeah. Like dad's here. We can't drink. I don't know why. So that was like – yeah. Because, you know, and Andy Cohen I think has that kind of energy where Andy is a sort of like – and I think that's why that show really works because it's sort of like, ooh. Like he's just ready to – like he's ready to have things flying when I think I think Chris

to his credit and I think that's really why the show works so well it's like he's like hey I don't want to I don't want to create that much drama here I'm like I'm here to make it okay um but yeah this is the anchor for sure yeah great but yeah I was I was thinking about that moment when you were coming on and and uh it was a it was certainly, to your point, it was such energy. It was a moment I'll always remember, not only because when I was named the Bachelor, but I got to meet a lot of cool people and just have that experience. And those are the things I remember more. Well, there's a couple of things.

I want to ask you about this as well because when you were announced i feel like that happened what like in 24 hours leading up to it like it was something really crazy right or did you know it was correct no it was uh so wait i think that was like tuesday yeah it was announced because it was like they would air the bat like it was a tuesday they um i knew for like a week. So the week before, a week before, it was the Sunday before, because I actually was on After Paradise the week before. I was supposed to be on because they would bring back alumni. And I got a text message from, it was Alon, one of the EPs at the time. Who is great. Yeah.

one of the EPs at the time. Who is great. Yeah. And he was like, me and the other, his name is Bennett, the other EP want to meet you tomorrow if you want. And I'm friends with both of them. And I've hung out with them just in general.

I've had dinner with them. We'll have breakfast. But I've never got together with them at the same time. And I was like, and they're like, we want to have coffee with you in the morning at the office. And right away i was like they're not gonna they're not gonna fucking ask me to be the there's no way they're gonna act like there's just no but it was like what else could it possibly be yeah and and then so they that monday they were just like so do you want to be the bachelor and i remember being like really truly sick to my stomach uh at the time and how and i've said this before but i

was like uh i knew i was gonna say yes and i absolutely thought i should say no uh i was like well here we go um and then you know you have to you know there's a couple the contract stuff went pretty quickly but yeah it was like from that monday i knew for a week before and they because like once they decided to do it, they really wanted the surprise. Like usually that stuff gets spoiled and they knew people would be shocked and they really wanted to have that moment. So that's why they decided to announce it even before Paradise was over. I mean, it's such a crazy franchise, which I'm so kind of curious about where it goes. Because honestly, in this post-COVID world,

we could be with physical contact, all these people in a house, everything like this. This could be the end of The Bachelor for a year and a half or two years, ultimately. Certainly in the format that we're used to, right? Traveling the world. It's like the bachelor or bachelorette up to this point has been a like a reality tv dating show and a little

bit of a reality travel show yeah right of turns of like we're in romantic fiji or whatever right see the sights and like you're on a helicopter yeah you're doing you're riding horses you're doing the whole thing you're eating bats in the Wuhan. That's not going to happen. And there's been talk about, and that would be my guess. I have no inside information. But my guess is they're going to do whatever it takes to make Claire's season happen.

And they're going to work a deal with some sort of seasonal resort, like a ski resort that's usually usually you know busy the dead in the summer so they'll go to like utah or idaho or wherever down yeah yeah and they'll lock it down which and they'll make it work but i also i'm curious about so you won't have the travel and you'll have the dates and honestly i don't think you're the audience doesn't care too much but like i am curious like what you think like now we're like we're ingrained about like six feet apart and we're gonna like to your watching people make out like watching people cozy up watching that's you know

group dates like everything we're being taught right now is like anti you know group what do you group date what whoa whoa buddy like i think that people are gonna have a just a a physical reaction i feel like i've done that when I'm watching movies right now because you're just not used to close proximity. Now, the benefit is, and I was thinking about you when we were talking about doing the show. I was like, oh, you've kind of lived through quarantine. You've been put in a house. Oh, that's so true. You've been cut off from the world.

And so you have a little bit of this experience that we're all kind of going through. But like that is the one thing that keeps the show maybe alive is the fact that, all right, we can monitor everybody. Everyone lives there, you know? And, you know, and if you just put the bachelor or the bachelorette on the side, everyone can kind of stay safe.

But I don't know. I don't want to see the fantasy suite in this time. I mean, look, who knows? I mean, I hope the fantasy suite is just full of, like, disinfectant wipes. Yeah, totally. I mean, that's the thing. Obviously, they'll do what they have to do to keep everyone safe, but like you said, it will be kind of almost ingrained.

Like, whoa, whoa, is this okay? I know. Should we be doing this? Definitely not kissing one girl and kissing the next girl in a minute. That's not going to happen. You know, Claire clears her throat, and everyone's like, whoa, what? Wait, whoa. Well, you know, right now they're furiously having scientists do tests like, does hot tubs kill COVID?

You know, so they're like, if we can get that, if the scientists can prove that there's no COVID in hot tubs, this show can go on. We can still make this show. The entire, the entire season will be dates in a hot tub. It's like, you thought we did hot tubs before? Well,

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oh, I've read three books in three days or, you know, just binging all of Schitt's Creek. I'm like, I haven't sat down since 10 a.m. You know, I'm making lunches, I'm making breakfast. And all that stuff is kind of great. I feel like, and not to get too sentimental, but my wife and I always talk about this idea like, oh, I wish we could just freeze them. It's such a great time. And we've essentially done that. We've frozen our children because we are with them 14 hours a day. And it's almost day 50 for us. But highs and lows. I mean, there are days where I'm just like incredibly depressed and I still have to teach basic subtraction and addition. And then there's days when I'm just like, incredibly depressed and I still have to teach, you know, basics of traction and addition. And then there's days when I'm like,

oh, this is great. We're going on a walk and, you know, bike riding together. So yeah, I don't know. I think it's an emotional roller coaster. Yeah, it's been interesting for me at least.

It's like I, at first I was almost like, I'm strangely thriving. You know, I had like, I was, I do live alone. So a lot of the alone part, I was like, I can do this. This is lot of the alone part i was like i can do this

this is no problem like now i don't have to drive four hours a day around la and sitting in traffic and i can do what i'm doing and i'm way more efficient and so i was kind of being all creative and doing these things and now i've kind of hit this like law where it's just like you know like yesterday i had all these dishes to do and i was like nah i'll get to it tomorrow like yeah like i've always just like i've definitely hit this period of like laziness and depression like i'm not depressed but like yeah it's just like this this mundaneness of it all yeah there is it like there's i mean it's not we don't have to be in like you know therapy depression but there are these moments i think we're all experiencing where it's like the dishes is a perfect encapsulation of it's sort of like laundry all right like you know it's like and because we're all experiencing where it's like the dishes is a perfect encapsulation of it. It's like laundry. All right. Like, you know, it's like and because we're not seeing anybody,

we're not really doing anything. And and I do believe that there's one thing that I found, which is everything that everyone thought that you needed to be in person for. You just don't. That's the that's the best part of all of this. Meetings are shorter, times are shorter. And I feel like I'm talking to my family and friends more. Are you doing that? Are you getting like, are you kind of doing more connecting like on that level? Yeah, I mean, it's one of those things too

where you try to like, you even have more time to like self-reflect in terms of like, you know, for example, I have a grandmother who like, she lives in like an assistant living community, right? And they're on lockdown, right? Because obviously at risk, elderly people. So she's learned to FaceTime for the first time in a while.

And all of a sudden, now I'm thinking, I'm FaceTiming her. I could always be better at calling my parents. But yeah, you find more reasons to try to connect with people. And that's a positive thing. But also there have been times where it's just like, I feel lonely, but I don't know what to say to anyone.

So I'm just going to stare at my phone. I don't know. It's like you see kind of these weird moments. I mean, and no one has done this, right? So we're the pioneers of this in the sense of modern day version of this. And I think there's things like the internet and Jackbox games and whatever, where you can kind of have this like, oh, we're going to play a game or we're going to get on Zoom and I'm going to talk to my college friends or my high school friends. And so there is a sort of like weird,

like we are connecting, we are together, but then we are physically not and i think that that like no matter how much we have internet and streaming tv shows or whatever you still just miss a little bit of like that human connection like getting the coffee getting like just i don't know you know like and it's small um but yeah and we're learning it and you know we'll get through it but it's just'll get through it. But it's a real mind fuck, honestly. One of the things I miss the most, and it's super inefficient, and this is also saving me money because I'm making my own coffee,

is like waiting in line at the coffee shop and ordering coffee and like holding that cup and just, I love that routine that I had. And I don't have that. You miss those little things. I like, but I've learned how to make a really great iced coffee in my house. And I feel like, like that has been, you know, necessity is like the mother of invention. I really like, I've perfected something here and I'm like, this is good.

I may never go back. Like, you know, like that, those like little things, like I'm cooking and, you know, made banana bread, never made banana bread. I mean, everyone's making banana bread. I don't know why. Like, I love like these things that happen on the internet where all of a sudden everyone's making bread, everyone's making banana bread. It's like, we just are following like, oh, who's doing that?

Okay, let's go. Let's go do this. Totally. If you think there's one thing as like, cause like clearly this is going to go on for like, I don't know if things will ever go back to where they were and maybe they they shouldn't to a certain degree um and there will be a long adjustment but what do you think some things that will be that will never go back for the better and to wait the way we used to do things yeah you know in terms of like maybe we

just got too carried away or maybe we're you know the insincere hug maybe we're just not doing that anymore i i was gonna say like the the awkward hugs the weird handshakes what i'm thrilled about is i'll never have one of those handshakes with uh a guy again who does that squeezing thing where it's like why are you vice gripping my hand yeah it's like congratulations on your handshake like yeah what the fuck yeah like we're not like in the 1940s making a business deal about like oil like uh you know and i also feel like to me i am a person who i try to read the room and see what's going on and and now knowing that like a hug is off the table, like I don't, like if you're coming for a hug, I'm definitely there.

I don't want to overstep a hug. So now it'd be like, if that's off the table, great. Like it's one. Everyone's like, I'm a hugger. And you're like, if I say no, then I'm an asshole. So like, you know. I guess what I'm really looking forward to too is, and this is going to be a little bit later down the line,

but the masks. What kind of masks are we wearing, guys? Like are they going to get more interesting? Like I already have – I have a Carol Did It mask, which is from Tiger King. So like I have that. And now I have a Clippers mask. So I have like those two. I'm getting to show some – like will masks be the new sneakers?

Maybe. I don't know no i was just when you said that i was um the first the first thing that popped in my head was nike you know yeah oh in terms of like what you know the it would be like an air like a a nike air mask or like the reebok pump where you're just like pumping up the the filters i love it like though if you're like oh oh yeah, I got the new LeBron mask. It's great. These Air Jordan masks are amazing. I love it. That'd be great. I already saw a woman in Georgia

wearing a fake Armani mask and I was like, this is great. I'm in it. You got to start making merch, Paul. Yes, I know. We got merch out there. I know you're, you're a big movie buff.

You have two successful podcasts out there unschooled and how did it get made? And I love movies and I, I always love listening to perspective. I know you're out there like on your website, you're, you're suggesting content for people to listen to, to read,

digest. Like what are some of the things? Yeah. Oh, what does that mean? That's yeah. Oh yeah. I've been trying to like figure out like what we should be watching and stuff so i've been doing this thing

i have like a text number you can call and or text and i give a suggestion like i kind of feel like right now we are in the mood for things that are like funny and dumb and not necessarily challenging us and i think that that's okay not to be challenged right now like i think we need comfort food we need like the equivalent of mac and cheese for streaming and i and uh you know so it's been fun to kind of like find those things and go back and look at different movies um for me my comfort food right now has been that espn doc about michael j that 10-part series. It's so good. It's so good. So good. And it transcends, like, even if you don't like sports, because it's sort of like, I'm with my wife,

who does not like, she likes it to a certain extent, but it's so engaging, and I feel like that's like, and it's triumphant. I feel like we need those kind of moments. You know, so my wife really likes it, which is, you know, a real interesting thing. I think it brings everybody together. And then besides that, I'm just kind of like watching a lot of like classic comedies, like, you know, stuff from like, you know, like Step Brothers or like, I love this movie Midnight Run with like Robert De Niro and Charles Grodin that I feel like many people haven't really seen or like Bowfinger with Eddie Murphy and Steve steve martin which is great just like fun weird classic comedies uh yeah no that's great the the number if you're interested is 917-877-0657 yeah it's not a it's not a pay thing it's just a me thing i'm just like i figured um i got involved in this place and it's just like oh yeah just every day at like two o'clock

pacific time i will send out something something that's music or it's a long read. The long reads are a little bit less than normal just because I feel like people are like they don't need that all the time. But you're absolutely right, though, because I'm a creature of habit in general. And then what I've been noticing, like, you know, if there's like a new show that really sparks my interest, I'll watch it. But I find myself I'm not trying new stuff. I'm going back and re-watching stuff I've seen because I know what to expect from it. And I know the feeling it's going to elicit. So it is sometimes nice to get recommendations from people you think like, hey, I know you don't want to try something new, but just give this a try.

And I promise it will be rewarding. For me, last night, I watched this movie, The Assistant. It just came out. And it's basically like, i watched this movie the assistant it just came out and it's like basically like what if you were the assistant for harvey weinstein and i was like it's a great movie i would never recommend it to anybody because like ah you don't need this kind of stress right now in your life like just like it's sort of like it's sort of like really well done fantastically directed and active i was like it's not like oh pop this in and and sit down i don't want to be challenged and i think that that's fine not to be challenged because honestly you're just sort of like why like i i've heard all these people getting dogs now like pandemic puppies and

i'm like that's hard too like why are you putting another thing on top of you maybe it's great i don't know i love dogs it's great if you can do it and everyone you know the it's yes but you're right i mean it can be challenging it is okay to say i'm not ready for that sometimes yeah it's funny to think about dogs too it's just like i don't i don't have a dog i mean i have some mild allergies but part of the reason too it's just been like i don't know if i could be a good parent to a dog right now i don't know if i have the time and i don't like would it be great for my instagram sure but i don't know if i have the time and i don't like would it be great for my instagram sure but i don't know if i could like give it the love that it needs right now and

i'm also worried about like when we do get back into the normal world like like because right now it's a great moment like oh i'm here with the dog i can do all this stuff it's like yeah but when when life does come back around then you have to make adjustments i mean but yeah again it's all great i just am not into i'm just not into too many challenges right my life right now is like cleaning the toilets and getting the floors done and doing all the laundry and all that sort of stuff like that's that's about my challenge bar and like i couldn't imagine um i was joking last week with our guests in terms of like, what's the perfect quarantine scenario? Yeah.

And it was like having just met someone but not living together. So you have the excitement and to look forward to talk to someone. Being single with options up there. Married with kids. It's got to be in the bottom of the totem pole. Or do you find that it's it's it's am i wrong how is that for you i will say that there's highs and lows to it like i think that like i'm thrilled with the people that i'm with right like yeah i mean so like i've been with

like my wife for gosh like 15 years like uh and so there is like just a comfort in the lows and the lows that you can go there like with each other. And that's like really lovely to have. And, and then we can find fun in these moments. And like I said, the kids, it's sort of like you take the stress of the kids and then you take like the, the fact that you're getting like just tons of like snuggles and you're like on the couch watching like Home Alone at like two in the afternoon. You're like, oh, this is kind of great too like it's it's a you know like there's moments of course i'm like oh i just want to sit here and be by myself but i would say 90 of the moments it's like i'm wrestling with my kids and having fun and just it there is a goofiness so yeah it's you know i but i look at i look at you and i go oh that's the life right there that's the life

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Like for me, I have started doing like Legos, like big giant Legos. And I find it to be so relaxing and meditative because it's sort of like, there's so few things in life that you can kind of have a beginning, middle and end and i'm like oh i'm doing this i feel accomplished and like it relaxes me i love i loved legos as a kid i would yeah play for hours i really haven't and i feel like bad now that you're asking me part of the reason like uh i i like to paint i would do bob ross paintings

oh amazing i was doing that for a while but i'm i'm out of supplies so like i right you know and i could order on amazon but like i haven't been that motivated to do it i would i've been making like quite quite honestly i've been like and i've hit a bit of a creative like law but i i have been like making these videos uh like on my instagram which is basically four different versions of me and that's been like fun to make and kind of embracing the quarantine and having fun so like i've been i was having a lot of fun being very creative in terms of like pushing out content and like embracing like the new norm and that that was my hobby um but nothing like nothing that's been just for me uh i haven't done done

that yet um but i feel like it's hard it's hard to like press that button on yourself and be like all right i gotta now like create outwardly you know it's it's a tricky thing yeah yeah well i mean actually i walking though i feel like i I'm the 80-year-old version of myself already. I like to work out. I go outside when I work out to get some fresh air. But now I have some free time to kill. So even though after I'm done working out, I'll be like, well, I'm going to go for another walk. And I quite enjoy it, just to put some headphones on.

I live by the beach, so obviously that's kind of perfect scenic and nice and i'm just like go on these long walks i imagine i'm going to do as a senior citizen yeah i i love that i love that idea of just like and by the way the beach seems to be like the best place to be near and like um we have a very nice walking area we live in the east side of la and it's residential but walkable and there are cool little stores when the stores are open. So yeah, I like getting out and we've been bike riding a lot, but we do a daily walk every day.

We just go out for like 45 minutes and it's nice. Yeah, I do. Yes, same. And I really have been enjoying that. And quite honestly, I hope to have the time to keep doing that as things get back to normal

because it is been kind of, it's therapeutic in a sense because sometimes, we don't talk too much about religion, back to normal because it is it has been kind of a it's therapeutic in a sense because uh sometimes uh you know we don't talk too much about religion but i grew up very catholic and like i don't go to church as much anymore but like i will remember when i'd go to church it was if nothing else it was like that moment where i would like just just to kind of center myself and and alone. And I've told myself before, well, I'll do that when I'm driving now

or I'm just thinking. But like, you know, you have so many distractions and things like that or traffic. So this walk has been like this almost meditating thing for me. And that's been kind of a good stress reliever for myself. No, I think it's these things that we kind of get in touch with because there is nobody that is calling. There's no place for us to go. There's really nothing for

us to do. I mean, yes, there are obligations, but I think that people are doing their work a little bit quicker, you know, besides the relentless amount of Zoom calls. But I feel like, by the way, that's the one thing I want to say. Not everything has to be a Zoom call. I feel like everybody now wants to be on Zoom. It's like, we could talk on the phone too right I mean yeah um but um but no I feel like uh you're I'm finding these little things that I don't want to like I don't want to lose and and that's what I think has been a nice takeaway like I've had dinner at home every night and that I just haven't done that god I haven't done that in decades, I feel like, you know, and that's, and that's been like, you know, finding these like walks and, and time with kids and different, you know, for me, like just finding different

things to do with them. And again, we're, you know, having to make do with, like you said, like, you know, you're running out of supplies and we're trying to plan a birthday party for a six-year-old and we're like, okay, we're going to do this parade. And we have to get balloons. And my wife is like working with fondant like to make a cake. And it's like, oh, this is like stuff that we wouldn't have normally have done, you know, or gone out all like this. So we're like, I like that. Yeah.

Do your kids know what's going on? Because they're pretty young. Yeah. Yeah, they're five and three or going to be six and three. And they know about the virus. So they talk about the virus um you know we know that the they'll go back when the virus is over and and they know like that they shouldn't they think you keep distance and stuff but i don't think they understand exactly what that is i can say that they seem thrilled that they are home they love being home they love like being lazy in the morning, but then they miss their friends

too. So all of a sudden, I'll go into the room with my three-year-old and I'm like, oh, dad, come here. And I'm like, yeah, he's like, Peter's over here. I'm like, oh, Peter, from your preschool class? He's like, yeah, Peter's right there. I see my three-year-old having these wants and desires and not knowing how to articulate. I miss my friends. That's so cute. wants and desires and not knowing how to articulate like this you know when we went we went um on location shooting my wife is an actress as well and she's in this movie long shot and we were up in montreal and it was a terrible time in montreal because it was so cold every time we were going around there people are like why are you here now like it's terrible here no one comes here in this

in the winter and she's so good in that movie, by the way. Oh, she's so good. And so my little four-year-old at the time, I just remember one day I walked into the living room of the place we were staying at, and he was laid sprawled on the floor with his arms outstretched, and he was like, I miss my friends. And I was like,

and I just feel like those are the moments that, you know, they don't know what they're experiencing. They can't get on a Zoom. They're not going to have all these connections. So they kind of lose that part of it. But they have all those feelings. And that's kind of interesting and tough to deal with. Yeah, I can imagine.

It's also kind of very sweet to hear you talk about. And almost like watching your kids have those emotions. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I'm trying to think of all the positive things that can maybe come for this and like we i think we slow down a little bit maybe kind of appreciate those those moments um i mean as a as a warrior myself like i i can i'm real i could like i can worry about anything um and i and i think i've i've i've extremely i've strangely worried less during this time because it's like helped me fixate on the things. And it's a reminder of it.

I focused so much recently about being thankful, not to sound cheesy, but I've been, knock on wood, lucky considering a lot of the things that people are going through, like anyone in the service industry and things like that. And so I've spent more time focusing on what I do have and less time on what I don't have. And I think that's been really good for my mental health. Yeah, I totally agree. I feel like there's this idea too that we're just in this moment where literally it's the embodiment of it's out of our control, right? There's nothing that we can do besides, you know, if you're an essential worker, obviously you're working. If you are, you know, giving to charity,

that's amazing too. But like at the end of the day, like we can't, we individually can't change this. Like, you know, unless we're creating a vaccine. But you know, it's like, and that's, there's something relaxing about that. It's like, well, I have to wait until someone tells me I can go do this and that's it. And there's a freedom to that. It's like, well, I have to wait until someone tells me I can go do this, and that's it. And there's a freedom to that. Like, you know, everyone's in the same boat, and that's so rare to be like, oh, we all are kind of just grinding our wheels,

except for Georgia. Georgia seems to be back on track. They're just, yeah, a lot of people are just going. I mean, BuzzFeed did an amazing photo essay. And by the way, I know that a lot of people in Atlanta and everybody else I've talked to are like, we don't agree with this at all. But it is funny to see like life is normal. And you're talking about this idea of like watching movies and seeing people close together. And it's like, oh, I'm watching a guy get a haircut in a Georgia barbershop. And I'm like, oh, this is real scandalous.

I feel like I'm looking at a snuff film or something. Right? It's like, whoa, what is going on? That is funny. Yeah, I mean, it's the human element of it. People are getting antsy. And I think people, they're kind of weighing the risk-reward of all the things that we're dealing with. It's been interesting.

I've always been a big fan of your career and just like the stuff you've been doing. And from the league and you have Black Monday out, which I'm a big fan of on Showtime. What are some of the characters that you've identified with the most? Or what are some of the things that you've had the most fun making? I've always been kind of curious is when I get to talk to actors and performers. You know, for me, I'm always a person who loves, I mean, I kind of made this distinction early on

in my career where I'm like, I just want to work with people that I really respect and admire because, you know, this is a hard job. And if you are lucky enough to be in it, like I want to surround myself and have good experiences there because the money sometimes is not very good. The hours are not very good. So let's just like have a fun time. And I've been really lucky to work with like some great, great people. I would say in addition to like working with people like

Dave Mandel, who ran Veep and was on Seinfeld and Curb Your Enthusiasm. And that was an amazing experience. But then like creating my own stuff has been great, like, because you get to make your own rules. And, you know, so that those are the things I really look forward to. But as far as like, characters and moments, you know, I was looking back, we I did a show called Human Giant back in the beginning of my career with Aziz Ansari and Rob Hubel's a sketch show for mtv and we really got to do whatever we wanted to do and there's one sketch we're kind of going through it right now because we're trying to release a few of them online because they're not up anywhere and there's this one character i really loved where it was a guy who was on a c a sci-fi tv show and he was like a cling on like a full alien make made

up person head to toe um and the scene starts off with him longingly looking at all the other actors as they're rapping out of the show they're just like walking off by where to see at the bar and he's like hours of like people like taking off makeup and he's getting up at four in the morning and getting all this makeup on and then he decides that he's going to get all the makeup surgically put onto his face. So the sketch became this big thing where I go get intensive plastic surgery. I get my skin dyed. I get like these crazy brows. And the minute I do it, the show gets canceled. And then the sketch goes on and it's like, how do I live this life with a mutant face? And I'm like trying to get other acting roles as like

Abraham Lincoln and stuff like that. And that was like one of my favorite, like dumb sketches that we did on, on human giant. I just love like that. We could tell this like sad story of this, this dumb actor who, you know, change his face because he thought his show was never going to get canceled.

Yeah. I'm curious. Cause like you mentioned like, obviously how hard it is and the, the grind of it all. And, you know, I've been in LA for a few years and,

you know, I'm working hard and doing those things. You've been doing it far more and more successful of it all. And I've been in LA for a few years, and I'm working hard and doing those things. You've been doing it far more and more successful at it. But we all know time flies, right? And especially for the people listening, whatever their goals are in life. When was that moment where you had enough of success that you stopped and go, wait, how did this work out for me?

Did you ever have that moment? No, it's funny. You know, I was talking to, I do the show with John Don Cheadle, the black Monday. And we were talking about this the other day.

And he was saying like, you know, like he said, like it was me, Regina and him were just sitting around and he was like, you know, we're, we grind.

That's our job. Like we grind. And, and he, and he said that. And I was like, oh yeah, like I don't ever feel like not that enough is enough. Like like i'm not like oh i need more it's sort of like i feel like

i'm a uh like a contractor it's like okay i'm contracted to build this building when that's done i gotta go find my next job it doesn't always guarantee that there's a next job after but you always have to kind of be looking to you knowloat. And I feel like when he was saying that, I was like, oh, I think that that's the career that I'm just gonna be in. It's always like trying to find the next thing. And that doesn't mean a bad thing, but I think the moments that you're describing,

what I felt is there are moments where I look back at my career and I go, oh my God, if that thing didn't happen, if that moment, if I didn't like walk in that door versus that door, my life didn't like walk in that door versus that door, my life would have been completely different. And that gives me a retroactive anxiety. Like I'm like, and I like, I'm here, but I'm like, but what if I didn't do that? Like, how did I not know that? And it, and it wasn't like I made some grand scheme decision. It wasn't

like, oh, I was so smart. It was like, oh, I just happened to decide this over that. And that paid off. And especially in the early days, when I was working at UCB, which is Upright Sisters Brigade Theater, and doing five shows a night or five shows a week, I just was making choices. And those choices connected me to people and places, my wife, jobs, relationships. I remember I got a TV show pilot, a big TV show pilot. I got this thing. It was going to be a big deal. And Human Giant came along.

And Human Giant was a small MTV sketch show. It wasn't a lot of money, but it was a chance to do my own thing. And it was like, do I do a big network show or this small little thing? And the money was so much better. And people were like, you got to do the network show, do the network show. And I went against that and I did my own thing. And that was the best choice I could have ever made in my life.

You know, and it's, but, you know, but like, but there's another world where I could have done that show. And then I would have missed out on that opportunity. And yeah, and, you know, and I would say that not always am I making the right choice. sometimes like oh i should have done that instead or that was a dumb move you know i yeah it's just funny i when you said it gives me terrible anxiety i thought you were going to say something different but it is true and i like that is so true for me i think of like especially the past five six years of my life Like it was all random, like deciding to make a career change.

I will say like, it's sometimes like having blind faith is like a blessing and sometimes it doesn't work out. I'm thankful for it. But like me even moving to LA, like if I knew what I knew now of all the steps that go in and all the things, there's no way I would have done it. You know what I'm saying? There's, I would have been like right like not fuck that that's way i don't i don't think i can manage it and no it's a it's a grind yeah yeah it's like you

there's like there are a million little things that i totally agree like things could have gone far different for for me if i would have said yes to something else or no to something else there's a lot of luck involved obviously like, like, you know, people always say like, you know, when luck meets preparation type of thing or whatever the saying goes, you know, that's luck. But it is kind of crazy to think about, you know, in terms of like, sometimes ignorance is bliss when you're like, when you have to grind, you just kind of go and do it and you don't think about like what it takes. The things that I would say, and you know, not that I'm saying anything that no one else has said before me, but I will say that I think it is always smart to bet on yourself. And whenever you

get involved in, or you see an opportunity in front of you, whether that is a job opportunity in the real world, or whether that is an acting opportunity, whatever it is, you have to look at it and say, are these the people that I want to be involved with for a long term? It's like dating, right? And it's like, and there are, if you have those hesitations in the beginning, like, they're only going to get worse. It's the same thing. It's literally the same thing as dating. And sometimes that has been my biggest, like, decision factor. It's like, I don't know if I see myself for seven years with this thing or this character or this, you know,

these people. And, and that's the, that's how I kind of look at everything now is like my longterm decision. And, you know, and then obviously there's shorter term things that you do too, but you got to just assume that you're in it for the long haul because,

yeah, because that, I think those interpersonal relationships, I know that I've done shows for seven plus years, four years, three years, different levels, and you are in it with those people. And it's like, you're married, that's it. You can't get out. You may want to, but you can't. And that's hard, you know, especially if you hate it. And I've been in a situation that I hated. And, you know, I don't think it showed up in the work at all, but it was like, it was rough, you know, and that's all, you know, and you live and learn. Yeah. How do you, I mean, speaking of talking about things of how things are going to adjust,

I know we talked about The Bachelor Show, but how do you think just Hollywood in general, from movies to TV shows, like content in general, how do you think that's going to adjust? Are we going to even have like movies come out the way we had to and, you know, people going on location and where they can go and where they can shoot, you know, because, you know, when you're shooting a TV show or a movie, they're talking about hundreds of people being around each other and things like that. It's going to be a long time before we blow up a car again, because like you need like 200 people to blow up a car, you know, you gotta get this stunt people. You gotta get this tech pyrotechnics people.

You know, I think for me, the one thing that I just hope is that there's not a lot of like COVID content. I don't want to see everybody's indie drama about being in their house. I don't want to see any of that. I want to have, I want to enjoy like the new stuff.

I want to like, I, I hope that we are able to still make something that feels fresh and fun. And whether that is a little bit more DIY, like I'm doing a show for Marvel right now. And in my office, I have a camera set up and lighting set up. And it's a full deal thing because we can shoot there. And it was like a creative way that we were able to kind of fix, you do something really quickly um i think that yeah i mean it was kind of fun you know like just kind of getting on you know if you can like i'm literally controlling the camera the

lighting and the focus and everything it's intense but we're trying so i feel you're gonna get a lot of diy stuff but then on top of it i think we should look at the mandalorian the as our future because the mandalorian is this amazing technology they created for that show where they have green screens. But instead of green screens, they actually project real images that move with you. So everything's on a stage. That show is entirely on a stage. I think we're going to be shooting shows like that. You're going to be on a stage.

There's going to be a person controlling everything, the lighting, everything. And you're going to have a small skeleton crew because Mandalorian was small. I think it's going to be – I think we're going to live in that kind of a world. That's my gut. And then, you know, we'll see. That's interesting. I think rom-coms are going to come back in a big way because they were kind of – Oh, I think comedies are going to come back.

But I don't think they're going to come back in movie theaters. I feel like drive-ins may come back in a big way. I could see drive-ins, you know. You know you know you're gonna have a lot of open real estate um but you know what i think about too it's like all those like we works and stuff like that and and all these like shared working spaces that you know wonder what's gonna happen there i mean that's not movies but um but there's gonna be a lot of real estate around so maybe there's a chance we can just all uh start setting up our own studios and all these abandoned uh yeah drive-in movie theaters drive-in like you know like i want to bring the roller skate girl out who's gonna be burgers and fries and milkshakes like i'm all i'm all for that you know let's do like those things i mean bowling does that work too like let's find these fun things

we've abandoned as a culture like bowling I think you're about six feet away. What are the things? Are we going to bring back roller skating rinks? For Black Monday this season, I had to learn how to roller skate and roller blade. And I spent a lot of time at roller skating rinks. I was like, oh, it's still kind of thriving on the down low. I love it. Oh, Paul, I'm an excellent roller skater.

I actually have skates. I have skates in my car. I've been to World on Wheels tons of times. And if you go to world on wheels, they're legit there. Like they, I mean, yeah, they know how to, they know how to skate. Um, I'm, I'm gonna, I miss roller skating. I haven't gone in a while, but like I, I did it as a kid. Uh, in fact, and then I didn't do it for like 25 years. And then it was like a date I had on the bachelor and they gave me the skates. And when I came to LA, I like, I was bored one night. I was like, let's do something different. And I went.

I'm like, I picked it up again. And I started just roller skating. I had a couple of friends. I've even gone by myself. Just bring the skates and just spin. It's been fun. It's so fun. I had such a great time.

I had an amazing teacher. And she's great. And it was just fun to be on the street and do all this sort of – I want roller skates to come back, not blades, skates. Skates are fun. Four wheels then. Yeah. Or like – not inline or whatever.

Yeah, but the platform or whatever, yeah. I know you have to go soon, but before you do, I want to play – we always play this little game with our guests. It's called Do You Know Me? Real simple. These random-ass questions I'll ask you. Don't give your answer right away. Rochelle and I will guess the answer to it, right?

And then we'll figure out who knows Paul Scheer. Oh, wow. That's going to be exciting. And if you have an anecdotal story you want to share, feel free. No pressure at all. Do You Know Me with Paul Scheer. share feel free no pressure at all do you know me with paul sheer has paul posted on social media in the past day or or or in the past well should we do the past day no in the past no this morning yeah before the this morning have you posted on social media in the past hour well let's just make

sure that people understand that it is right now nine in the morning right like we're like it's it's early we started recording i guess we started recording at nine so just i'm gonna say absolutely not he's got work he's got the body i mean probably he's got kids like he's you know paul paul has better things to do to influencing and when he does post it's like you know it's like you know it's like it's a necessary evil to put out the things he's doing. I mean, I do follow him on Instagram. He's a great follow.

You should check it out. But it's. Thank you so much. He's got. He's got. I think he's got more pertinent things to do. No, I think he snuck a tweet in this morning. You know, he thought of something funny.

He had to get it in. Had to get it in. All right. This is a this is a very good question. I did not post on Instagram this morning. No, I got up and I came right here. But I did look at Twitter and I did look at Instagram. And I liked a couple things.

I definitely liked a couple things. But I didn't – you know, I kind of just – I kind of window shopped this morning. I didn't get in the mix. I didn't go in the store, you know. What happened to your finger, Paul? I noticed you had a little finger. Oh, yes. I have a Band-Aid on.

Spider-Man. Spider-Man, yes. That was just because I couldn't find anything else. I was cleaning my stove, and I was trying to get in and get some grime out from there, and I just sliced open my finger. And then I was making Moscow mules last night and forgot that I had this. And when I was squeezing the lime, it was almost like a direct deposit of lime into my cut, which was one of the most painful things that ever happened to me.

I also scrubbed my entire oven. I was like, get it. I'm just cleaning everything. Yeah, get in there. I'm vacuuming. I have a vacuum. I was cleaning my stove on the regular, but it's one of the,

like we talked about earlier. It's, it's pretty disgusting right now. And I'm just like, fuck it. I'll do it tomorrow. Second, second question.

Has Paul, uh, did his last text contain an emoji? Now I almost want to audit this because I just feel like as, as Paul ever, ever used an emoji. 100%. No. He uses a ton of emojis, I think.

You do? Yeah. He's a fun guy. I'm going to say his last text didn't. This is actually a really good question, and I appreciate, Nick, that you respect me enough to think I don't use an emoji. I do use emojis. I use emojis for two reasons.

One, I use the hand slap on head emoji a lot. I feel like that is like, it's sort of like a shorthand. I can't respond, but you see where I'm at. And the other emoji that I use is sometimes I feel like my tone is off. Like if you were to say something to me, I would be like, oh, yeah, that's great. And if I write just like, great, like it seems like I'm being terse. So I sometimes, yeah, so sometimes I add a little happy face to be like, we're on the same page. My emoji work is that. And then, you know, of course, like I got a lady. I got to send her some emojis. I do a lot of clicking of hearts on text and a

lot of that's where I'm'm really living in that like someone sends me something and i'm like thumbs up exclamation points heart like i don't have time to get into the nitty-gritty of it but i can be like got it read it i'm the same and i appreciate that and honestly i'm fine with people doing it to me because it's a nice little acknowledgement i get it um i had this whole i had this whole debate with a girl i was talking to you know briefly and you know she's funny but we had this debate on like what was appropriate to thumbs up or heart yeah it's like i'm gonna be honest when she was like if you thumbs up i'm pretty sure i feel like you're mad at me so like this is an appropriate heart oh it's like this whole this whole debate of like

don't be dismissive and it was uh well you know what i you know what i did too like i i sometimes your finger will slip and someone sent me some like pretty shocking information you know and uh and i hit like like like a heart it like it was like so terrible and i was like love it and i was like oh wait no i have to like i have to put exclamation points instead but like if you send the wrong, you send the wrong reaction to it. Yeah, no. But I appreciate that. I appreciate that you respect me enough that I don't do those emojis.

I do, Paul. Is Paul more of a vodka or a tequila drinker? Ooh, these are good questions. I don't know the answer to this question. Moscow Mule last night. I feel like Paul's more of a whiskey drinker, but I'm going to say tequila because tequila is considered more of a sipping spirit

than a vodka. And so if I had to pick between the two, I'm going to say tequila. Okay. Are you saying tequila? Both tequilas? Both locked-in tequilas? I said it first.

You are both right. Yes! I like a tequila. And you saying tequila? Both tequilas? Both locked-in tequilas? Yeah. I said it first. You are both right. I like a tequila. And you're right. I like a sipping tequila. Yeah. I got this one from Mexico. It's in a beautiful white bottle. It's like Casa Azul. And it's been my go-to. And I mean, I'm going to drink other things too. And you were right, Nick. I will definitely drink a bourbon or a scotch or a whiskey like i like those two but it like i feel like tequila feels light i will tell you right now though my my saddest thing or maybe it's not sad i've been drinking canned wine canned carbonated wine when i went to the supermarket before this pandemic started um i was trying to get stuff in the supermarket. It was empty. And the only thing they had was like a pallet of like 24 cans of like wine. I was like,

I'm buying this. And then I drank it and I'm like, I like it. I like this. It's like called like house wine. And I'm like, I'm all in on the bubbly brute. But yeah,

it's like, I'm like surprised myself on that in a major way. That's awesome. That's, that's, that's great. There's just, there's just a wine. I buy it whole foods. It's like I'm surprising myself on that in a major way. That's awesome. That's great. There's this wine I buy at Whole Foods.

It's like $1.99. And honestly, it's totally fine. It's like – Oh, it's – I'll tell you the one secret I did at my wedding, which is we were getting married. We didn't have that much money. And Trader Joe's out here, a supermarket out here that's fairly cheap, they have this thing called like Two Buck Chuck. And it's good wine, but it's but it's two to two dollar a bottle wine and um my wife and i we steamed off all the labels and put on new labels and put that all throughout our wedding and everyone was like this wine is amazing i was like yep it is it really is wow the con of the

century yeah it was a good it was a, you got to cut corners in every way. I once brought that to a party and the host goes, it would have been better if you had brought nothing. Oh, rude. I think about it every day, yeah. Last one, has Paul ever totaled a car?

Like totaled, like you can no longer drive it. I'm going to say no. 100% yes. He's going to be an offender. No. Yes, we've all totaled a car. We've all offender. No. Yes, we've all totaled. We've all totaled the car. Yes, we've all totaled.

Thank you, Paul. Yes. I mean, have you never totaled a car, Nick? You've never totaled? I have not, not totaled. I haven't ever been in a real accident. I mean, I wasn't pulled out. Wow.

I wasn't pulled out with the jaws of death. But like, totaled is a very interesting term because it's sort of like... The car was not drivable afterwards. the insurance company is like it's better for us to let you get a new car than continue yeah that's what i mean i've never no i have never done that wow wow i am i slid on ice in high school um and my car went down into a ditch and i was like oh my god i got out but i was like a foot away from a tree. And thank God I avoided disaster. And then as I was looking at the car, another car hit the same patch of ice, came down the valley the same way, hit my car and drove my car into the tree.

I'm like, oh no, my car. And I'm freaking out. And then that person gets out of their car. And then another car hits the same patch of ice, comes down, hits. And then boom, boom, boom. So it's three cars that hit the car and then drive my car through the tree, knocking over the tree. And then a fucking school bus hits that patch of ice, comes down. And it was a four-car accident that totally destroyed my entire experience.

Oh, my gosh. I'm glad you're okay. That is amazing. Paul, I thank you so much for coming on. It's been a ton of fun. I'm a big fan of yours. Thanks so much. Make sure to check out Paul.

Yeah. Paul's on Unspooled on podcast. How did this get made? If you're a movie buff, check it out. If you like people talking about movies and how they're made, it's awesome.

Check him out on Showtime for Black Monday. You can stream all this stuff. He's absolutely fantastic. Paul, I really appreciate you joining. And everyone, thank you for listening as always. Thank you so much.

And Nick, you've said so many nice things about me, but I think you're great. And you did a thing for me a little while ago for this thing called Unsend. And you were so funny and so great. And it's always great to talk to you. So thank you for having me. I appreciate it, Paul. It's been a lot of fun. All right. See y'all later. Bye-bye. Thanks. Bye. Well, everyone, thanks for listening. I really enjoyed this episode with Paul, and I hope you did as well. We will see you on Monday. Have a great day.