The Viall Files - E127 LTYH Ep 5 recap with Arden Myrin

Episode Date: May 12, 2020

Arden Myrin joins Nick to go over the penultimate episode of The Bachelor’s Listen to Your Heart. But first, we check in during the pandemic. Then, Nick has a strong opinion on Matt and Rudy, Arden calls Ryan and Natasha “Harry Potter and The Pussycat Doll,” and we discuss that date to the wedding chapel.  Do you think Trevor is into Jamie? Be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode.  THANKS TO OUR SPONSORS: FUNCTION OF BEAUTY: FunctionofBeauty.com/viall  LUMINESS: TrySilk.com/VIALL See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

what's going on everybody welcome to another episode of the vile files i'm your host nick joined by my producer rochelle how you doing rochelle well it's been rough. Don't you think? You know, I guess it's just, it is what it is. You know? I don't know. My birthday is tomorrow and it'll be weird to just be alone. Oh, happy birthday. Thanks. Yeah, no, it sucks that way.

I found the groove. Like at first, we talked about this. Like I thought I was kind of thriving in a way. Then I got a little bit of quarantine fatigue and now it's just i don't know it's now you're back in the groove no but i'm just kind of accepted the fatigue like it's fine um you know it's uh i was quite honestly like i know this is kind of off i was really um really bothered by that national story. The gentleman who was killed jogging and I was really frustrated by that.

That was really, but I'm glad they arrested him and hopefully there's justice will be served. So I got it, know i was um not necessarily distracted but like i was almost you know invested i was invested in that and that was something that has been on my mind for the past couple days so yeah the very sad death of ahmad arbry uh i hope i'm pronouncing that right but um yeah i was uh i was really upset about that i did you know it's almost like sad to know that had happened a couple months ago and it was all over the news and you're just kind of like,

why didn't we know about this before? And, you know, so, but I'm glad, you know, shows the power of the people, which is good, I guess. And hopefully justice will be done there. But yeah, so I kind of obviously was focused on that this week and in quarantine my eyes i'm just trying to you know i'm trying to get outside more i've i've gone on some walks with some friends some six foot walks you know meet up you know just like hey do you guys want

to go on a walk like you want to go on a walk and we keep our distance and we wear masks but at least you know like you're talking to someone nice yeah That's been nice. You know, just trying to, you know, yeah, try to continue to be smart but trying to have our lives. Kind of what your friend Ben said when he came on our podcast and talked about, you know, this virus and what we can do and what we, you know,

try to do our part but humanity must go on. So, I don't know. I like your shirt. Did you wear that for Listen to Your Heart? I did, yeah. I bought this shirt. It has some musical notes on it.

I thought it would be appropriate. So yeah, we have a fun recap. Arden Marine is our guest today. She helped break down the Bachelorette for us last season, and she's an absolute expert. She is such an expert. She has her own Bachelor Recap podcast you should check out.

But it's always fun to talk to Arden. And she has a new book coming out you guys should check out. She talks about it at the end of our episode. So yeah, let's just get right to it. Arden Marine and Listen to Your Heart. How's it going, Arden? Oh my God. So good. Just thriving, Nick.

I'm thriving. Yeah. Living my best life. I gave myself a haircut yesterday. I can't stop cutting my hair. Yeah. I've done this my second haircut in like two weeks. It looks great. Thank you. I feel like I'm never going to go get it professionally cut again. Seriously. Honestly, like same. I've kind of buzzed my head it's been growing out but i'll tell you what what i'm gonna i'm definitely gonna cut it again before i like grow it out but i have like the sides figured out like on a razor you know it's one of my favorite things that i do i the first time i did it i was very nervous and then i found i found that i very much enjoy cutting my own hair.

There's like a going feral quality to it. I have nothing to lose. Like I'm really like living off the grid now. There's a sense of accomplishment. But it looks great. It's definitely more bold than me. Because that's like how long would it take you if you cut your hair the length of mine to grow back out to the length of yours? That's a really great question.

I would say my hair grows pretty fast, but I would say a good solid two years. Yeah, because one-half inch per month is the average. Okay. I would say a solid two years. You know, it would be – and it would be, I couldn't even get a weave at your length. You know what I mean? Like I couldn't even be like, oh, I made an error. I messed up.

You know what? I'm going to get a weave. And I would just, it would be so clear that there would be, it just wouldn't work. It wouldn't work. I've had some terrible haircuts as a child. I'm not going to lie to you. I was like Barb from Stranger Things. I used to have, I had one, I had a, I had some, my mom was like barb from stranger things i used to have uh i had one i had a i had some

my mom was like for whatever reason just like sure you can do whatever you want and so i did and i like shaved half my head then i had a rat tail oh no yes i had it all it was like a it was like a bowl cut and like a rat tail. But it was only like maybe two inches long. Age, please. What age was this? Only two inches. Fifth or sixth grade.

It was like a little makeup brush, you know, like a little fan brush on the back of my neck. A little fan brush, a little peekaboo. How do you do? Were you popular in middle school? This was definitely elementary school or were people like this was definitely elementary school were people like rat tail nick he's cool i i don't yeah i actually if i remember i i think people thought it was cool that you know my friends it definitely wasn't um there were bigger rat tails yeah the the guys who had rat tails in my elementary school were like sporty and like... Yeah, it was in, it was in.

I loved a guy with a fade. I loved like a, I did like a one side shave. Yeah, I like sort of like the skater boys that were like, they're kind of wild cards. They've got nothing to lose. Yeah, it used to be popular. Were you remotely a late bloomer? Like were the high school years?

No. No, you were like getting at it early that's how you become the bachelor i was uh yeah i was uh my i was nerdy and i wasn't nerdy but i was picked on in middle school sure i was i was i was exiled from the popular group in middle school and then i rebounded in high school wow that's hard to do it was the same group of kids no they well there was a some but like some um wow so you were you prom king no uh how it was in our high school is you didn't vote for the person you wanted to win. You voted for the person you didn't mind winning. Wow. That's very polite.

Very polite. So it was always like some random like, yeah, that would be cool for them to win because no one would be offended. Like it was always, it was kind of like the, it was, yeah.

So people would vote against. I was, yeah, people didn't vote for me people voted against me uh was ben higgins an early bloomer like is it generally i know i feel like colton was a late bloomer yeah i would i don't know but i'd probably put money on the fact that ben wool is a homecoming king or prom, he's got that vibe. He's got that early confidence. Yeah, and he was the quarterback of his school. Oh, for sure.

You're absolutely right. As you say that, I'm like, yeah, duh. But again, where I went to high school, that's not how we voted. God, I love this. Why didn't I go to your school? Things would have been so much easier. Yeah, I don't know.

It was kind of bizarre. it like the people just kind of just started like who you know it'd be kind of cool if they won because no one would expect it so and so and everyone would be like yeah like i wouldn't be offended just like you know this arden were you popular in high school you know i was like the court jester you know what i mean i was like the funny girl like so i was sort of liked by everybody but i was sort of more in the middle crowd but like the popular kids like me because i was entertaining but it was more in like a pet i was like a pet or like a yeah it was like a court like a neutered court you you you definitely would have been like the homecoming queen or prom king at my school oh my god why did i not go to your school yeah like

you're like kind of in with everyone not offensive like everyone thinks like she's a cool hang yeah you know i could get i went out with a couple of guys like i made out with some but i wasn't i wasn't be like you know it'd be kind of cool who'd like arden like that would be so ironic and then everyone would be like yeah i would love that i i really could have used that so yeah i did okay i think looking back on it i think i was more well liked than i felt you know but uh but how about you miss rochelle how did you do? Well, I grew up, I was like super religious, but I was like hiding it at school. So I was pretty, I would like study at lunch. Yes. Yes, you did.

And I was really into show choir. But like I feel like I had a lot of friends and people liked me and thought I was nice, but I was definitely keeping to myself. Like I don't even think I went to a single party or anything. Ooh. I know, I know. Rough, rough. I did.

She was trying to assimilate to, like, the real world. Yeah, okay, okay. All right, fair enough. Everybody does the best they can through those years. I got great grades. Good for you. I'm sure you did better than I did. I did fine.

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Episode four or five? Five. We're almost at the next week's finale. Amuse-bouche of a show. The smallest. It's like the perfect length of the quarantine for my attention span. How are you feeling about Listen to Your Heart? Thank you so much for asking, Nick.

I'm so glad finally somebody's watched the show and has asked me. I'm going to be real with you. Finally, somebody's watched the show and has asked me. I'm going to be real with you. At first, my friend said that she was convinced that ABC invented COVID to try to force people to watch this. Because nobody would have watched it. And still, that wasn't enough to get people to fully watch it. The first two episodes, I could not have been more bored but now since it feels that there's a new set of producers every episode and they change the game each episode I'm now all in now that we're like

American Idol love edition or if you guys remember Rockstar in excess there was a show where they were looking for a lead singer for in excess and they would do it at these weird mansions and Dave Navarro was on. This feels like, now that we're in the American Idol portion of it, I'm all in. I'm fast. Like when they started singing,

I got more invested and now I'm enjoying it. How about you? Why do you think that was? Because honestly, like I've watched it and to me, it's just kind of like, yeah, it's just another Bachelor show.

Why do you feel like, why were you particularly bored the first couple episodes? Was it the lack of an anchor? I felt like they were – well, Jamie, they were clearly trying to make Jamie the star. And they clearly wanted Jamie and Ryan to – they want – I felt like they were like, this is our pair. And when they went to Capitol Records and they sang that John Mayer song, I mean, they were great. Like, once they started singing, I was like, oh, these, they're,

like, he was. Ryan was great. He was great. I feel like she's someone's niece, and they're like, we're gonna make her a star. Right. I'm like, she can't get out of her own way. They want her to win, and she doesn't have the chops. She's out get out of her own way. They want her to win and she doesn't have the chops. She's outmatched by every person there.

And she's a pretty good singer. She's just clearly not as good as everyone else. She's a pretty good singer, but then when you see somebody like a Natasha or a Rudy who've clearly put in the hours and like smoky bars singing with bands and know how to put on a show.

This person's niece who's in like ABC development, like she's folding in on herself. She's been singing in her closet over the years without a real audience. Like she's been singing to her like stuffed animals, you know? She's been singing to her stuffed animals. We had a listener email in and said she went to school with her. She's from New Jersey. She's not from Nashville. She's from New Jersey. She's not from Nashville. She's from New Jersey. Do you have Jamie T?

I actually, she changed her last name. A lot of people change their names, though. I should have been ahead of that game. I really missed that. I guess I became, you know. Oh, my God. Maureen spelled with a Y. What was I thinking?

Like, why? I could have picked any art. Like, I could have picked anything. But anyway. But she went to Berkeley, right? Did she? Berkeley Music, yeah. In Boston?

Mm-hmm. Huh. I did not know that. Yeah. Yeah, it's really good. And it's a good school. I mean, I... I mean, she's, I mean, from a guy who can't sing at all,

I think she's a very good singer. She just, whether it's confidence, whether it's she's just not as talented or just the combination of everything, like you said, like her compared to Rudy

is, it's not even a comparison. You know, watching, I think it would have been fun the first two weeks to see if like night one, everybody is like,

do your best song. Yes, that's what I think. And then that, because, because you know like how talent is sexy. So it might be somebody that you might not normally want to like get down with. But then you see them like rip it with some song and you're like, oh my god. And you can become attracted, you know. And I feel like that way – that would have been like let's see why you're here.

And that would have been more fun for me than just, I don't know, it felt like theater camp, but without the, there was a softness to opening night. It didn't have the drama of paradise, you know? I felt like it was like a little tidbit. Well, it doesn't have the drama of paradise for a lot of reasons. Like you said, you didn't have the anchors, right? You don't have the drama of paradise for a lot of reasons like you said you didn't have the anchors right you don't have the returning characters like right if you could get jed to have come on the show like that would have been compelling right so i'm sure he was available they know he had a girlfriend i think they probably i think i don't know i don't know

i don't know if they asked but you know season of Paradise, you have the fans recognize people. Right. And even the cast recognize people. The cast will be like, oh, I saw. Sometimes they might have talked. Maybe they even met. And there's a storyline there. Or maybe they just recognize someone that like, oh, I had a crush on so-and-so.

Right. And now I get to meet them. So there's so much anticipation. there's so much to work with that's why that's why usually episode one of paradise is usually always pretty great right because it's it's like it's all this like this pent-up emotion and and kind of excitement and and then people kind of you know literally or figuratively blow their lot wad and like uh it's the best show on television everyone's half naked you know there's so much excitement and then this and that's why i listen to your heart you had first episode was nerves these people this what is this show who is chris harrison literally right yeah who are these people

uh what is this show about and that's why I think it took a while for any kind of stakes to be there. Yeah, definitely. You're right because we didn't know any of the characters coming in. It was a completely new freshman class. Everybody was brand new. And maybe that's why it's gotten more fun as it took a little bit to get some traction. I mean you had the Julia Sheridan, Brandon. I mean just watching that was like a slow motion crash.

Just watching this person who at first seemed so sweet and then just like watching her get in her own way. And then all the ladies chasing Brandon, which was shocking to me. and then all the ladies chasing Brandon, which was shocking to me. And it was just, it was definitely, I felt like that started making it cook a little more. Yeah, I mean, it definitely picked up. What are you going to do? So here we, the episode opens up.

I love, I mean, I really just get a kick out of uh the earnest chris harrison every time he's like things are about to change i love it we're good you're not gonna believe what's gonna happen and like i love it it's like almost like he predicted corona and quarantine yes yeah we're gonna leave the house which probably reads the audience be like no way they're gonna leave the house we're gonna go don't leave the house don't leave the house which probably reads to the audience like no way they're going to leave the house don't leave the house we're going to get on a bus and like whoa

I loved the house that they were in the house was beautiful where they filmed I thought that was a very exciting house but yeah getting on the bus you do get the feeling that even Chris Harrison doesn't quite know what's happening. You get the feeling they sort of roll him out and they just keep changing the rules.

But I like that everyone got a bus. They were definitely changing it. Oh, man. You know Becca and Ben were shook by that. Oh, yeah. What do you buy? Because they had to cram into two buses with the whole Bachelor tour. And these people get their own buses.

Well, it's a little different when they're like going, taking one trip for purposes of a show, you know, for appearances, so to speak. It definitely felt like they spent all their money like on the buses and then on like the John Mayer song and the Taylor Swift song. And then they had some dates that like, you you're gonna go sit on this pile of rocks and like stare. You know what I mean? They didn't, they definitely have their like blow your load like budget moments

and then the rest are like, now your date is like you get to sit under a tree and spy on people. It's the same as Paradise though, right? Like the dates, for cast members filming and for the audience watching, who cares about the dates it for cast pay for cast members filming and for the audience watching who cares about the dates you know what i'm saying like take me back to the beach take me back to the

house like what's going on there i don't like like nothing was more boring this episode than watching jamie and trevor ice skate like oh my god i play hockey you're pretty good oh my god you're a girl who can skate i'm blown away you know like do you buy their romance no not for one moment i started to you did she's young enough i buy her i i bought i totally believe that jamie oh god i i'm actually a little disappointed in the cast i don't know in a In a sense that I really, what I did like about the show is that you seem to have real new people who, a lot of which might not be that familiar with the show, right? Yes. So people come in having watched the show with an expectation of, I'm here for the right

reasons and I'm falling in love. And they almost like train themselves. Right. So you have like fresh meat, so to speak, of people who really haven't like seen the show. And so I was I was waiting for like someone to be like, I'm falling in love with you. And then someone respond. I don't know what that means. Yeah.

Because it literally doesn't mean anything. And it's like, yeah, I'm falling in love with you. I'm falling in love with you. Like but Trevor's definitely like and Trevor knows the game. Trevor's kind of like, yeah, like, I'm falling in love with you. I'm falling in love with you. But Trevor's definitely like, and Trevor knows the game. Trevor's kind of like, yeah, sure. I'm falling in love with you. It doesn't literally mean anything. So fine, whatever.

The sheer fact that Trevor is Trevor from American Idol top 50, there's something, you know, like Trevor definitely knows how to play the game. I mean, watching them last night singing too too i couldn't believe they got rave reviews and that they were like given the first rose and i just want to say i predicted this on last week's podcast i said they're gonna have a bounce back week and i'm pretty sure i said ryan and natasha are gonna go home i did you really i think so i don't know i'm not as Natasha are going to go home. Did you really? I think so. I don't know.

I'm not as confident. You have to go back to the tape on the who was going home, but I definitely said it's just kind of predictable from a story standpoint, you know? I was surprised. I mean,

Ryan and Natasha, God bless them, like they, they, she, she puts on a show and I, I actually feel like

he got the worst end of the deal because he was so good when they went to Capitol Records. But then he was put with, like, Mariah Carey. You know what I mean? She's not – even though she tried to perform with him. She was put with someone who wants to be Mariah Carey-esque. Yes. I get what you're saying.

Like, Natasha likes the spotlight. And she's a diva. Yeah. bang like Natasha likes the spotlight and she's a diva yeah like he he was trying but like he also went from dating like a girl this young girl to like this full woman like a pussycat doll like this full adult woman which I kind of loved Harry Potter and the pussycat doll like I kind of loved it but like but there was no way it was real. But they were like, okay, she just made up her mind. I need this record contract. I'm going to stay.

He's like, wow, look at this sexy lady. But they were so good last week. I thought that her talent was going to get them through, but it didn't. Yeah, I mean, Ryan. Forgot the word. Yeah, I mean, Ryan, from a performance standpoint, he never topped his first, he never topped the John Mayer performance with Jamie. And that makes sense. Like, yeah, he just, he never fit with Natasha,

both musically and romantically. It was always kind of an awkward pairing. But we're getting ahead of ourselves. Yes, sorry, sorry yes sorry no that's fine we we kick off the episode with uh highlighting uh rudy and uh matt matt i was freaking i was i always want to call him ryan i don't know why they all look like a ryan right uh rudy and and and matt uh and Matt, I really got a kick out of this whole dynamic. I've really grown to like Matt.

I think he's a good guy. Me too. A lot of the producers, just kind of like, it's always like, you know, every season. The producers, everyone's fine, but certain people, they're like, whether they're villains or heroes on the show, they're like, that's a good person. They're real. They're cool. there are villains or heroes on the show they're like that's a good person they're real they're cool they got a bad beat whatever they're cool and sometimes it's just like yeah i know they looked good but i i hate them you know like there's always this and so they really like matt he's a he's a good dude um but yeah he's like he's clearly not feeling rudy and she rudy is, Rudy is the girl who just falls fast, as she said.

She's very self-aware in that regard. You know, I love Rudy. And she does. She knows she's a handful. Like, I think she's fun. I think she's going to have a few too many, like, you know, whiskey and sodas and fight with you. And like, and then she's going to be a blast and she's going to, she's so fun on stage. And, but, but she's definitely a handful and he's, he's older than her.

He's like 31 or 32. How old is she? How old is she? That's a great question. I was going to guess mid to late twenties. late 20s maybe i mean so he's a little my gut feeling i don't know i just i do i don't think their age has anything to do with their dynamic i think he's just not that inner he never really was no she's a cool uh girl she's talented she's pretty you know like he's just like he's not like offended by her presence.

Yeah. You know, but he's. He loves singing with her. Yeah. And they're great together musically. She's 24. He's 32. Okay.

So, yeah, she's almost mid, you know, she's mid 20s ish, you know. It's a difference. That's a difference though. Yeah. 24 year old to 32 is a difference. Yeah, I agree. I guess it just depends. And she seems like a young 24 and he seems like kind of a man. But it's a couple.

I just don't think that's why they're not into each other. You know what I'm saying? Oh, no, no, no. I think Matt could easily be into a 24. Of course. Matt has dated plenty of 24-year-old women. Oh, for sure. I'm going to go on record and say.

Oh, no, no, no. You're absolutely right. I mean, that's the whole conceit of the show that's very strange. It's like that you have to be in love to make great music. Yeah, it's kind of bizarre that way. Right. It's not true. And it's almost like a pass, right?

Because you know how in paradise you go and it's all about love, right? Yeah. But there's always this like undertone of like, who's here for the Instagram followers? You know, everyone. But like, we're all, you know what I'm saying? And so the earnest to try to stay is to be on TV. And there's certainly plenty of people who are trying to like find their partner in paradise to buy themselves a couple of weeks. So that's no different, right? But here you have this built in music thing, which is also a part

of the show, like readily talk. I mean, it's like according to chris harrison you can't fall in love or make music without they're like they're as far as the shows they want those two things to be mutually exclusive i mean there's so few successful even the ones he mentioned when he was like carly simon and james taylor by the way i'm sure everyone was probably like who you don't even like just not and like by the end they they hated each other. You know what I mean? Like that didn't end successfully as a relationship or like – you know, it's – you can be great on stage, yeah, and not be in love. Like aren't you – don't you think of not dating people you work with? Like as an actor, you don't want to be dating another actor. No, no, no, no. It makes things worse.

No, no, no, no. It makes things worse. No, no, no. Like, look, certain people can jangle your chemicals and then you can go, and I'm going to step to the other side of the street because I know this would be a disaster. Yeah. It's a disaster. So anyways, Rudy's really into Matt. I always, like, never a good sign when a guy's like, do I like her? I mean, sure. Like, could I see a future with her?

I mean, it's possible. It reminded me of like this one of the questions i got on my ass nick and my questions with nick and i actually was looking at it over the you know some old ones for a project i'm working on and it was like is it possible sure what's also possible is that i'm gonna win the powerball tonight and i'm gonna give you it's possible i'm gonna give you all that money. It's certainly possible. And like, that's how Matt's answering the question of, could I fall in love with Rudy? As if like, it's just as likely that Matt wins the Powerball and gives it all to charity as he could fall in love with Rudy, but both still possible. No, I agree with you. It's

not going to happen, but I think he's smart. I think it's like if you're a 32-year-old musician in like Milford, Connecticut or wherever he's from, it's like, why not pick somebody that you can handle in the tour bus? All right, maybe make out a couple. Like who cares? Here's the thing. Matt didn't pick her. She picked him and he had no one else to pick. She took a hostage. Yeah.

But I have to say, I hope they win. I think I'm rooting for them. I think they're the most fun to watch on stage. I agree. If I had to go see somebody in a bar or a venue, that's who I would pick. I don't care if they're in love or not. I hope they win because I think they're a blast on stage. Yeah.

It's going to be Brie and Chris, which I like. But you're right they're not as fun they're not as fun brie and chris are like more they're very talented you're very gifted they're very in love and that's what i mean that's there's no chance they don't win they made me tear up they're very sweet like i i i'm happy for both of them, but it's a very sweet, mellow kind of lullaby. I want more of a party if I'm going out. Yeah, totally. They're slow.

They're slow. Could you imagine, not that saying I'm falling in love with you means anything, but in that world, certainly she was putting herself out there. And could you imagine saying that to a guy and he just looks at you and goes, wow, like that took a lot of strength to speak your truth. Oh my God. That was, that was, I felt for her.

I felt, I felt for her and was proud of her that she was able to keep it together for the performance and not pull a Jamie from last week. That shows you that she has the chops of hours on stage. Yeah. Also, there's probably days in between that. Oh, my God. The sheer fact that she was – I can't even imagine if I said that to a guy and they said, you're brave for speaking your truth. Oh, my God.

I would want to dig a hole and hide inside of it and put grass covering over it and just hide my face in shame and then come out at the end of the pandemic. Just let me know when my hair is grown to my feet and then I can come out and nobody will know it's me. when my hair is grown to my feet and then I can come out and nobody will know it's me. As someone who has a gift for being condescending when he's not even trying to be, to say to someone,

speaking your truth is one of the more condescending things you can say to someone. And to say it when someone is trying to express their feelings for you is truly savage. And I don't think Matt was trying to be a dick at all.

I think he just didn't know what to say. And Matt, I think Matt is kind of like, i'm not really comfortable with this bachelor world kind of he's just like what is falling in love me like what um and i think he just he just started having diarrhea of the mouth he's the one that didn't know who chris harrison was that first night he was the one i mean what would you have said? I was actually watching him thinking, God, I don't know what I would say if a guy that I wasn't into. Listen, he was in a tough spot because like-

The camera on you. Gotta love the coincidence of everyone simultaneously falling in love at the same time on the show. It's just like, okay. You know, but that's Bachelor World, you know but that's special world you know i also love that they didn't care about putting the pressure on ryan and natasha if they fell in love isn't that great i would call that no one cared they got to go bash cars which was actually looked so fun i was like i want to go i want to go operate a forklift and throw minivans around some desert town i mean my guess is like they just you know rudy was is really into matt right and so she's

willing to talk about her feelings we're like ryan and tasha i don't think they're even trying to pretend they're really that into each other so like okay i'll put my head on your shoulder when we're on the bus but that's all you're really getting from us my friend anna is convinced that she was a producer plant from the get-go to come in and stir shit and be like wait a minute trevor from american idol and then being like oh oh, Brandon said that, you know, he wouldn't have picked you. That she was there and then she happened to have a set of pipes, which is fine.

There's no producer plans. It's not that hard to find someone who wants attention. You know what I'm saying? Dude, I, yeah, you're right. It was, oh, man, them going to see Shaggyaggy i was like i don't want to go to shaggy oh i gotta love the uh random it was random and like you know maybe it was kind of brilliant almost in a sense you have rudy and matt rudy very insecure about her relationship with matt go watch a performance to a guy singing about

having sex with another girl and lying to his girlfriend's face saying, wasn't me? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. You saw someone fucking someone, wasn't me. Did you know that Shaggy won a Grammy last year for an album he put out with Sting?

Did you know that Sting and Shaggy put out a reggae album together and won a Grammy for it? I did not know that. And I feel like I should apologize for politely shading Shaggy. I was shading Shaggy too. And my friend was like, no, Shaggy.

I was like, wait, wait, what year is this? I mean, Shaggy's a blast. I'm not going to act like Shaggy's not a blast. Oh, I had some fun to Shaggy growing up. I thought he was like a one hit wonder type. So did I. I mean, and by the way, his album was really fun.

Like that album is super fun. Oh, it was, it was. All of it. The whole album is so fun. Yeah. Even last night I was like,

she caught me red handed, sleeping with a girl next door. Yeah. But like, so then my friend was like, no, he put out an album last year with Sting, which to me,

like, wait, what? And then it was popular and they won a Grammy. I actually was so confused that I went online and watched two videos that they made, one of which they play pretend cops, almost like an 80, like a lethal weapon kind of a thing. And they're walking around with like cop badges and they're in South Beach. It's so confusing. It's so confusing. It's so confusing. And then there's another one that they film in Jamaica and sting. It just is like, how in the world did this combo come to be?

And people loved it. Great. Well, and that's a big get for the bachelor, for Listen to Your Heart. There you go. But I got to wonder what Rudy was just like, why the fuck are they singing this song? Matt, are you cheating on me? Oh, my God. There we go.

Here we go. There they are. There they are dressed as cops. Yeah. They both look like hot older men. I mean, good for them. I was watching. I was like, oh, they know they look good.

They know they've aged well. It works. I went to the Golden Globes last year and when it was over, I saw, like, you know,

they're all leaving, you know, and everyone's ordering Uber Xs and, you know, they're black cars and I saw Sting trying to find his Uber like everyone else

and it just felt so like, you know what? He's just a guy. He's just a guy. Just another guy who can't find his Uber. He's just a guy he's just a guy just another guy who can't find his uber he just walked guy going are you california xz1 like it made me feel good you know like here he's a he's a man of the people sting just kind of walking around i just was obsessively walking him for 10 minutes he's like are you my car are you my car it's so weird when you see

like a very human moment from an icon. It's so strange. Like why isn't Sting not just floating home? I don't understand. It's Sting. He can just put on his wings and just fly back to England and do his tantric sex for like 88 hours and call it a day. So, yeah, everyone's falling in love this episode. Ebony's falling in love.

So then we have Chris and Brie. That wedding date? The wedding date. Yeah. Yeah. Let's talk about it. What do you want to do? I mean, do you think they got lucky to get another mixed race couple?

No, I thought it was very heavy handed. Too heavy. I was like, oh, God. I felt like ABC was trying to be cool, but they were so playing their cards of like, we're cool with biracial couples. Yeah. Look at this. Everybody, we're cool.

See, we're totally cool. There's only biracial couples now. Yeah. It felt like your aunt that is trying to act cat. Maybe they got lucky, you know? Maybe. No, there's no way. I did tear up.

I teared up. I loved the couple. I did tear up when they sang. It was a sweet couple, yes. It was very sweet. It was weird when they were singing that the couple didn't dance. They just stood and stared at each other. Yeah.

Did you notice that? So awkward. I was like, oh oh you can like slow dance or something like why are you just standing and staring it's a long song i felt panicky it made me anxious but like clearly clearly they're setting up the chris and brie love story like it's not a coincidence that's the couple that you know went to the wedding because that's they're the only believable couple as far as romance, right? Yeah.

I'm going to say I think Trevor started a fall for her this episode. Maybe I'm a, I don't know. I mean, I'm not saying Trevor hates Jamie like Matt hates Rudy. No, I mean, Matt doesn't hate Rudy. He probably loves her as a person. Tolerate, tolerate. He thinks she's very sweet. He would do anything for her. He's just like, he's getting riddled with anxiety

because he knows she's falling for him and he's just balancing out this like, I mean, I want to sing and I'm having fun with my friends and like, yeah, I care about her. So yeah, I do think Trevor is a little bit more into Jamie than Matt is into Rudy, but no. As soon as this show's over, it's done. It's definitely a little bit of Stockholm syndrome of like, well, okay, there's nobody to pick from.

We're locked into this. Rochelle, do you maybe follow some of them? Are any of these people's like social followings going up significantly at all they all have like 50,000 I looked them up yeah it's it's like I think they're I feel like they're excited you know people are like posting them singing and stuff which is ultimately what all they care about but yeah no I'm just definitely not bachelor I'm just saying like if they get like a groundswell of follow followers you know based off the relationship i could see like trevor staying in a few extra months of like people are following their love affair right because if if enough of people were

watching the show and the show was like being talked about and then you know people were like in on the trevor and jamie train they would get a bunch of followers because people in Bachelor Nation love following relationships. Like that's, you know, so that makes people, you know, like no one's staying in, I don't know. No one's staying in a relationship in Bachelor Nation if you hate someone, but it buys you a couple extra months. I'll say that much.

I loved watching Ari dancing. I loved watching Ari grooving. Can we talk about Ari and Lauren? Yes! Is Ari running for office of some sort? It felt, yes. Oh my God, that's exactly what it felt like. Yes, yes.

Lauren's dressed like a politician's wife. Ari is like in a blue suit and a red tie. It's just like, this is a music show. Where's your leather jacket? When Laurenuren who's very sweet but when lauren said oh trevor has the most is that him yeah 229 000 because everybody else has like 70 000 i don't know what i don't know what he started how many does jamie have okay and i wonder how many chris and brie have um when lauren said wait wait wait when did he

post that picture 46 000 go back no no go back to trevor's page five five minutes ago oh five minutes ago okay i was just like because it was like is he buying followers uh but no if no that's if it's five minutes together that's doing because like he wouldn't for being on the show he's gonna have really good engagement but yeah that's on right now but no okay so yeah he's well he had some before the fact that she has so much more than him doesn't track that he has so much more than her yeah because you women tend to get more than men uh it's weird he has like i think he must have had a lot before you definitely had from what he definitely had oh you know i bet everybody started like 50 huh but still like he's definitely he's way more than everybody else way more than

everybody else uh he's the well i mean he's the only guy and i don't know how else to say this, but he's the only guy who looks like he could be on The Bachelor. Yeah, true story. Right? Maybe Matt could make it on. They could restyle Ryan. They could shine Ryan up, maybe. Yeah, but he doesn't have that.

And I'm not saying you should want this. This is not some sort of... No, no, no. Trevor is on brand for that yes and so like and then ryan's a really handsome guy but he's got kind of that nerdy thing going and just but in terms of you know what bachelor fans are used to liking and following yeah trevor's trevor's got that um just going back to lauren and ari for a second when lauren who seems like a very sweet gal, but is not exactly like a firecracker. When she said to Jamie and Trevor, it seems like you guys joke around.

That's so important. We laugh. We tease each other all the time. And I thought, I've never seen you speak. I had the same thought. I had the same thought. Like, I know Lauren talked on her season. But I thought to myself i honestly

didn't know that's what your voice sounded like no and she talked more than it because it seems so far we've had we had uh last week brian didn't seem to be allowed to talk at all you had rachel and brian brian said nothing and then the week before was oh jojo jojo talked more than um what's jordan jordan but um yeah this one lauren ari was just there sort of bouncing and lauren kept talking and look at look at look at ari just like it looks like a oh i like the uh wrist tattoo but other than that he looks like he's running for office you're absolutely right and very and uh he's a little fuller in the face he's got that kind of you know he's a dad he's got that dad face he definitely looks like a dad i mean they're a very beautiful couple oh yeah she looks i mean she looks good they look good oh yeah they look great it's just

it just seems like it seems un they just didn't dress up for the show no no that's they dress for a different show natasha looked like an ice dancer by the way she looked like a very stunning ice skater that was like ready to perform what happened what happened in their song she said that she skipped to she skipped to like a later verse or a bridge or something like she messed up it was so complicated with the mic and the guitar and the mic stand and the holding of the mic. I fell for them. I'm no musician, but like the playing a guitar while grabbing a mic, it just seemed so unnecessary. I couldn't believe he could still do it.

I was like, he's talented. Ryan's clearly a very talented musician. Yeah. I don't think that was the plan. I don't think the plan was to play the guitar and hold a cordless mic. He was just like, fuck it. Yeah, I'll do it. But he could still do it.

I was like, look at him. Look at baby boy. He's got the goods. I mean, I worked with Evan Ross once, and I did a movie with him. Delight. He was such a delight. Remind me which one's Evan Ross. Evan Ross is married to Ashley Simpson.

Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah. And he was so fun and just kind of cool. And he was saying that he was like, yeah, I just dress like El DeBarge. Well, you know, interestingly enough, he's literally wearing pajamas and a sports coat over it. And that seems to be more appropriately dressed than Ari.

And that's who he is every day. Like that's how he dresses. He dresses in like genie pants and pajamas. And I was like, I had a really good time with him. Like I just, I was like, I don't know what's happening, but I'm all, yes, Evan Ross. Yes. Yes. I thought Ashley looked really pretty.

Oh yeah. She's a babe. Ashley was a babe. Loving the pink hair. And then there was that guy from Train. Which I got to say, what's going on with his hair? It just was kind of. Was it plugs?

I couldn't figure it out. No. Plugs or not, I don't think you don't have to style your hair that way. I don't. We've been re-watching on my Bachelor podcast. We've been re-watching Juan Pablo season because – boy, that's tough hair. I'd never seen it. So we were trying to get to know Claire Crawley and it was 2014.

So there was a lot of the crunchy faux hawk going on for Juan Pablo. It was like – it's interesting watching just six years ago. It feels like 14 years ago watching it. Can we also discuss the ads they keep running for Claire? And it looks like a 1983 brothel. I do not get that. That photo. You got the power of ABC and Warner Brothers behind the marking campaign.

And it's just like, let's put our first 39-year-old bachelorette in a dress and a background and a photograph that looks like it was taken from 1973 1973 it feels like a yeah like it could be like a chris christopherson or maybe like a dynasty and then they add it makes no fucking sense i don't get it it's like a brothel like it's like she's the baddest madam in the west like there's something i don't i don't get it why do they do that to claire just seems so mean i know and i feel like they're like begging for people to come be it's like okay like but they're not i mean i said this to nikki glazer i get why it comes across that way but they're just simply potentially they're listen they're taking it they're taking advantage of the times right yeah they they they casted clara last second they had a bunch of guys that were clearly too young for

her and they had only maybe three weeks to like try to find some older guys and had corona not happened yeah that's what they would have went with and they would have made it work but now since like god only knows when they're going to start filming and they have some time and and and i do believe chris when he's just, some of the guys we casted just might not be able to come back. Who knows? They could have gotten it. They might not be even eligible. You just never know.

And I think they're also just going to try to age up a little bit, right? So I get why they're constantly just putting out flyers. I don't think that, but it kind of. They have the wrong flyer. The flyer itself is not great. Well, because it's also like, what are you going to catch? If you're going fishing and that's your bait, what are you going to lure in if that's what you're putting out there? Particularly if somebody's not familiar with her.

You know what I mean? If you're not familiar with her. Did they know they're casting a girl who was alive in the 80s? Dude, it really feels like, it feels unkind. And by alive, I mean like an adult in the 80s. It feels unkind. It definitely feels like they're putting their work, like it's not jamming.

They're making Claire look like she grew up in the 80s and won't let go of the fashion. No, she's like, this is how, there it is. And Claire is a very fashionable woman. Yeah, she's a beauty. I don't get this. I do not get this whatsoever. It makes no fucking sense.

The background. The background, the font, the color of the dress. Her face and hair, all that's fine. Great. The actual person of Claire, fine. Everything else is not doing her. It literally looks like a time machine. They put in her a turtleneck.

It's like something like, you know, one of the golden girls would wear to a bar. It's very golden girls. It's like Blanche Dubois. Yeah. And like, that's fine if you're 70. Yeah. It's a tough, that's a tough,

they're not being kind to her. Nikki Glaser has been reaching out. She also is obsessed with the show. Yeah. Claire's, and again claire's a total babe like there's a reason why she's the bachelorette like she looks great so like i don't get why they're like looking like i don't understand why they're doing that oh my god poor claire i i would be i would be mad if i were her i wonder aren't they going to do ari season

when they do like the look back episodes, Nick? I doubt it. Oh, really? I don't know what they're, I don't know. I don't, a couple of them, but I don't know about Ari. How many episodes are they doing? Why, I doubt they would do Ari's. Oh, just because we didn't see Lauren at all,

basically on that season. And knowing what they know now, I wonder if they would like show us more, but. I mean,ri's season was particularly boring except for the end and my guess is out of respect for ari and lauren they probably wouldn't want to relive the only exciting thing about that season was something that ari and lauren got a lot of heat for so if you're Ari, you're just like, please don't show that.

Because I do think they're not trying to, when they're reshowing these shows and doing these recaps, I don't think they're really trying to make anyone's life miserable. I didn't watch Jason Mesnick's season, but did he get heat for his switcheroo? I didn't watch it either.

So much. A lot. So much. But they bring him. A lot. So much. But they bring him back a lot. They do. And they'll continue to bring back Lauren and Ari like they're doing now, right?

They bring them back as a success because they are a success. I'm simply saying for this like recap thing that they're doing, it would surprise me for a couple of reasons. Like I think A,

Ari's season's too recent and B, the only exciting thing about that season was the end and you know like for example if they play caitlin season right yeah uh i don't i don't i wouldn't surprise me if they play clayton season but at the same time she's not with sean anymore so i don't think they're gonna spend a huge deal like highlighting. They're not going to ignore it, right? My favorite season. They'll make sure. So, yeah, I don't see why would Ari and Lauren want that.

That's how I started. I started with Caitlyn's season. You were a blank slate to me, Nick. All I knew is when you showed up, she was on fire like a crackerjack. She was just like oh my god i've never seen a chemical reaction like that to another human being greatest season ever cupcake being left by the cliffs in ireland all of it all of it i kind of mentioned this but i found uh i found some i guess love letters i sent her that I never read. So like when she.

Read them now. Read them, read them. We're the part team. You're not going to see anybody for the next 10, 18 years. I read them like a month ago for the first time because like I ran into Caitlin and we were just like shooting the shit, right? We were talking about the podcast and we're just like,

she's like, oh, I never got those emails. And I'm like, I don't know. I forgot it. You know, like obviously when I got off the show, but I had told her about them in the fantasy suite, like, oh, when we get back, like this, I'm, those emails. And I'm like, I don't know. I forgot it. You know, like obviously when I got off the show, but I had told her about them in the fantasy suite, like, Oh, when we get back,

like this, I'm, you know, anyways, and it was from the time where they took her phone away to the time I got the call to come on. And like, when you read them, they're like,

they're really heavy and they're kind of sweet, you know, like, and again, I read them and it was just like, we're friends now. We're both happy. We're like,

but it was a very, they're, they're very sweet. And they're just like, we're friends now. We're both happy. But they're very sweet. And it really explains a lot about my thought. It's kind of quite fat. When I read them, I'm like, wow. It kind of narrates my thought process from the time, like my decision to come on and me talking to her.

And it was kind of wild. I want to say you have good taste. I thought she was the best Bachelorette. I thought she was, again, I'd never seen her before. Cute as a button. So fun. I just thought she was a blast. Like, best Bachelorette.

I thought you had very good taste. She was adorable. We should read the letters on your Patreon. Oh, my God. You should read the letters on the Patreon. You should read the letters on Patreon. Get ready to make a lot of money. Yeah.

If you have a heart up for cash, save them for when you need a payment for something. They're something. They're very sweet. Is she really short? She's little, right? Caitlin's, yeah. She's little. I don't know her height.

I mean, my guess is she's probably 5'4". So cute. She's so cute. I loved her. Yeah. And I think she and Jason are cute. Yeah, Jason's like the greatest. Oh, my God.

Buffalo. Yeah. Buffalo, just like a nice guy. There's a hockey date I could handle. I could watch them skate. That's fine. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, the hockey date, it was such a throwaway.

It's like, hey, can we like use your ice for like 20 minutes? We got to watch some them skate. That's fine. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, the hockey date, it was such a throwaway. It's like, hey, can we like use your ice for like 20 minutes? We got to watch some people skate. We got to, oh my God. Jamie's so young that I fear her heart is going to get broken. All right, so what's your prediction? Who do you think is going to win? You think Bree and Chris? Yeah, for sure.

It's not even like, it's so obvious. Like even in the rose ceremony, like they didn't even like try to pretend that Ryan and Natasha weren't going home because like it was between Chris and Brie and Jamie and Ryan. It's just like, okay. So anticlimactic.

Oh yeah, it's definitely gonna be Chris and Brie. And then I don't know, like I don't know if runner up matters, but like, listen, it's gonna be Chris and Brie because now you have your final three. They're going to the final. Although ABC really likes jamie i mean i'd rather have it be rudy and matt as top dog i mean they're gonna put on the best show like their their talent will keep getting them through if it does but someone wants jamie to win and has wanted her to win from

the beginning because they keep giving her dates and like well she again she is a compelling character right she's she's emote she's expressive yeah on her interviews she's you know i love it when she's like who who was it too was it rudy you know just giving rudy dating advice she's like i don't know like just who knows just tell him you love him like he could love you i love i love trevor like anything's possible it's just like so young it's like a sophomore in high school. I feel like they thought we would all like fall in love with Jamie, but I feel like we are all watching falling in love with Rudy because she's so real. Yeah.

She's also just like, yeah. I mean, and she's an older, like Rudy seems more mature. Rudy seems like she's seems more mature. Yeah. Rudy seems like she's lived more life. Yeah. Than Jamie. So regardless of her age, you can tell that Jamie has more life experience. And yeah, she seems, and then I think Jamie and Rudy are the same amount of real.

I don't think Jamie's faking it at all. I think she is madly in love with Trevor. I think she's genuinely nervous when she sings. Yes, I agree with you. I think you're just seeing Jamie is very authentic. She just seems very like inexperienced. She's so young. Yeah.

Watching her this week backstage, once she got the I love you, her I am like confident, I'm in charge. I'm going to go take, it's like, oh, this poor, I have such such you know having doing having being a stand-up like i understand like the terror back you know that's particularly early on before you go on and do shows like i understand her nerves before she's

gone out there but it's just watching somebody who doesn't have the tools to manage them is so hard to watch. Yeah. I mean, even when those two perform, I'm more or less bored. Yeah. Jamie and Trevor. They're boring. Oh, God. I'm rooting for...

I really want Rudy and Matt. If you could just fake a little interest. Just give me a little interest. I have re-watched Rudy and Matt's performances every week. They're so good. Oh, my God. The one last night was – And I forward through Trevor and Jamie's.

I've watched everything because I'm a fool. And I watch and I squint and I cover my face. Watching Rudy and Matt, it gets better and better. Last night was so good. And what a hard song. What an impossible song to cover. Yeah. Yeah.

And she has the goods. And she's got kind of like her, even in her styling, there's sort of like an old school, like contemporary of Stevie Nicks vibe. No, Rudy knows her brand. She's very like, she knows what works for her. She knows her brand, so to speak. And Jamie is still figuring even that out. I'm all in on it.

I mean, I think it's fun. I've actually now, I've very much enjoyed, now that I'm in, I'm very much enjoying it. And now that I, again, now that I've gotten to know them, we're not starting from zero. Now that I'm invested, I know what their talent is. I'm enjoying it. You know what's interesting is that

outside of the pressure of the show and the show constantly saying, you have to be in love if you want to sing. Yes. I can picture Rudy and Matt being like great work partners. You know, like I could picture them being like, we got a thing here. Like we're good together. Like let's take the romance out of it and let's go make some music.

I can see that happening. I know. I feel for him that it's sort of like, for now it's like, why do I have to date the lead singer? You know what I mean? Like, can't I just have a kick-ass lead singer and not date the lead singer? But it's like, for now you have to date the lead singer. And you know, I'm sorry I get the show, but I just don't buy any of the judges or any

of these like, uh, the experts who like stop, like, excuse me, I'm sorry. You guys don't seem like you want to fuck each other's faces right now. Is there something wrong? Like, in what world does that happen? There was a guy at last, I mean, all the ones that are like the, on the dates when they go to the Roxy or whatever, the professional advisors,

it does look like a PA that they put, like that they put gel in their hair and sent to be like the professional like why don't you want to fuck their face I don't get it yeah just make sure you question their love this is like he already has a band though this is okay well they should Brother Stone

it should be Brother Stone like Rudy and the Brother Stone is what it should be well they're good. I would go listen to them. Me too. He's great. He's great. I find him very likable.

I'm a fan of him. No, I do too. I wasn't sure at first, but I like him. So, yeah. Well. Well, I think we've kind of covered it all. I feel like we've been on a nice, we've been on a great love journey today, you guys. Yeah, we have.

So, I mean, I didn't ask you. Do you agree with my predictions? We know what you want. I'm going to say – all right, just to keep it interesting, I think ABC is going to force Jamie because they picked her early on and she's someone's niece is my prediction. Is that they're going to – I think they think she's marketable and I think they're going to give it misguidedly to Jamie and Trevor. I think you are selling Chris and Brie short. They're very marketable.

They're very in love. Well, I think're very marketable. They're very in love. Well, I think they're marketable. You can sell their love. And they tear up. They've made me tear up every performance. I teared up at the wedding ceremony. I teared up last week when they sang. I loved their Taylor Swift.

I love his voice. I'm happy for them. That's why they got this date. Again, they're not great TV in the sense that they're not going to bring drama, but they are really in love and they're sweet, and then they'll probably get a ton of attention in the finale. All right. And they'll win.

I mean, I don't know if anyone's really going to – That would be a boring tour. Who would want to go – Now, granted, we're all locked in our house. Listen, we're locked in. I think that might be irrelevant at this point. Yeah. Again, the show maybe –

Regardless of Corona, the show might not be doing as well as it should be doing to support a successful tour. True story. But regardless, they seem to be on the path to win. Well, they'll definitely open the Bachelor tour that's already happening. Yeah, but is that a win? tour that's already happening yeah but that's is that a win i mean i don't know if that's your dream music launching pad opening for you know a broadway off-broadway bachelor i don't you know i don't know i could be wrong what do they do on the bachelor tour they have like a local bachelor meet a bunch of local girls

and they kind of recreate the Bachelor experience on stage, is my understanding. And Rochelle went, right? How was it? No, I didn't go. They did it at the Ace, didn't they, in LA? That's my understanding. And they do some dances,

like I saw Becca doing that grease dance. You're the, you're the one that I want, I think. Oh my God. Listen, I think it's probably super fun and super cheese. And if you're a diehard bachelor fan,

you fucking love it. You know? Great. I mean, look, I'm not going to act like I wouldn't have fun if I went, I would. Yeah. It's not my thing,

but I get, I get why it's a, they're doing well. I'm just saying, if you're like, if you're just like really just have this music goals and careers, I don't know if, you know,

I don't know if you go to on stage there and think we made it. Yeah, we made it. Guys, we did it. We did it. We totally nailed it. We totally did it. Arden, thanks so much for coming on.

Oh my God, thank you so much for having me on. I love being on. Yes, you're going to come on my finale tell people where they can find you I have three things you can find me I'm on Instagram at Arden Moraine looks like Myron

A-R-D-E-N-M-Y-R-I-N I host a Bachelor podcast on iHeartRadio called Will You Accept This Rose? And Nick and Michelle Collins will be breaking down our finale episode with us next week. And I have an upcoming book called Little Miss Little Compton that you can pre-order wherever you order books. Tell us a little bit about your book. We have a nice foreword by Debbie Ryan, some nice quotes from Chelsea Handler,

Amy Schumer, Molly Shannon. It's a book. My grandparents married after knowing each other for one day. They married day two. And then my parents were coworkers, and they married on a dare. They never dated, and they stayed married for 50 years and it starts with that so I'm the product of two hasty decisions and that's where it all starts that's incredible isn't that crazy that's insane it's fucking crazy it's so crazy yeah and I didn't know that growing up and then when I and then like when my brother got his first

girlfriend and she was asking my mom like how my parents met and my mom was like, oh, it was stupid. I was like, I knew they met at work, but it was like they were trying to get vacation time. So everybody got two weeks. And then if you went on honeymoon, you got an extra two weeks. And so there was like a dare. I was like, OK, let's get married and then we'll go on. Like my dad was like, I'll take you to like South America for four weeks. Then we'll come back and we'll get it annulled. And then they made a bet. They couldn't find a Bible to swear on that they were going to do it. So they swore on a cookbook in New York City around New Year's Eve. And then my mom called him the next day and upped the ante. And she was like, I'll do it, but I'm not getting it annulled. And then she borrowed her best friend named Arden, her wedding dress. They had a proper wedding six weeks later. My grandparents never knew, and they stayed married until the end.

Jesus, buy this book, people. This is crazy. Isn't that crazy? Yeah, it's actually a really fun book. It's really fun. It's batshit. Yeah, thank you. And it talks all about coming from a town of 2,000 people and how I got on TV by 20,

literally knowing no one. So stuff like that. Thanks. That is incredible. Wow. Are you blown away? I feel speechless. I am.

That's wild. Well, check this out, people. Thank you. And Arna, really, really thanks for coming. Make sure to check us out tomorrow for a wonderful guest, Raja Kamari, who is an incredibly talented musician, writer, singer. She's blowing up these days. And we just have an absolutely great conversation about her life, her music career, what it's like to kind of, you know, grow up in L.A. and then live in India and kind of come from this kind of

multicultural background. Very fascinating discussion we have with her. And I think you guys will really love it. So check that out. As always, thanks for listening. Don't forget to send your questions at asknickatcastmedia.com, cast with a K for our Ask Nick episodes. And as always, thanks for listening. Have a great day.