The Viall Files - E153 Breaking Character with Chris Kattan

Episode Date: July 15, 2020

Nick reconnects this week with his Dancing With The Stars Co-Star and friend Chris Kattan. Chris shares with us how an injury on SNL he kept out of the public eye affected his life for so many years, how his girlfriend is the one who defines all things in their relationship, and of course his time on SNL. It is a different side of Chris you may not be familiar with but you may just love his endearing side even more than his comic persona. “You get to introduce a world that hasn’t been seen through characters.” Be sure to subscribe so you don't miss an episode! THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: HIDRATE SPARK: hidratespark.com/viall LUMINESS: trysilk.com/viall MASTER CLASS: masterclass.com/viall DIPSEA: dipseastories.com/viall EMBARK: embarkvet.com CODE: viall Episode Socials:  Viall Files @viallfiles Nick Viall @nickviall Krissy Lindquist @thekrissylindquist Chris Kattan @chriskattanofficial See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Maybe a ton. Maybe a ton. Well, anyways, I hope you guys enjoyed it. Happy Wednesday to you all if you are tuning in at the appropriate time. Yeah. A wonderful, fun, lighthearted episode with my friend and funny actor, comedian, Chris Cat he truly loves you saturday night live legend yeah he thinks you're funny which is like the coolest thing he thinks i'm funny which to me immediately he's right up right up there with uh my favorite people yeah um yeah i hope you guys really enjoy it and uh you know we we're trying to mix it up on this show.

Sometimes we'll tackle some heavier stuff. Sometimes we'll keep it light. We'll keep it interesting. I hope you guys are enjoying the diversity of topics and guests that we have. Don't forget to subscribe, some people who are new to this church. Speaking of topics, can I ask you? What? A burning question.

What's up? What are your thoughts on what's going on with Colton? Colton? Yeah. Oh, Colton and Cassie? Yeah.

Yeah, they've been making news. It's getting ugly. They're making some news. It's getting a little ugly. It's getting a little crazy. I don't know too much. I actually briefly hung out with Cassie and,

well, I stopped at Katie's new place to help her hang her TV. And I went over the night before to look at the TV. Oh, that was your tutorial. And Cassie was there. What I will say is, to Cassie's credit, she was so respectful and so protective even in private uh talking to me and demi and katie about her relationship with colton you could tell she really cared and we asked a few questions and what was so clear to me and i hope she's okay with me saying this is um it really bothered her any criticism people suggesting the authenticity of their relationship you could tell she really cared about the guy

she can you can tell she valued the relationship and she respected the privacy of the relationship again even in private yeah and i quite loved cassie's response that she put on instagram which is just like i'm just gonna put it out there state it publicly and so to me i thought that was brave and i thought that was because she wasn't mean but she was just like i don't want there to be any confusion i don't want there to be any cattiness or be passive aggressiveness or cryptic messages i'm just going to state very publicly and very respectfully hey i thought we agreed to do this and just because you know she went on bachelor she didn't say anything yeah my guess is having been in a situation uh and other people as i think

colton's been very used to controlling this narrative and controlling this breakup in terms of how it's perceived. And he feels like he lost a little bit of control and now he's acting out. And listen, that's all I know. Like I said, that's, that, that,

that's just my perception of what I saw. What I know is very little. And that is a few minutes. I saw Cassie. She was totally respectful uh of of her relationship with colton even in private and you can tell she really cared and it was meaningful to her and i gave her a lot of credit for that so uh for anyone who wants to criticize uh cassie about that it would be unfair and unfounded so um that's my take on it so i wish them both nothing

but happiness and i hope uh for both their sakes uh these things are hard and sometimes because these public relationships they fall victim to listening to their critics you know reading their instagram comments and and and then the reacting based off of that and getting defensive and sometimes they hurt the people based off of that and getting defensive. And sometimes they hurt the people that care most about in the process. So hopefully that doesn't happen. Well, yeah,

that's my two, two thoughts on that. But again, I hope you enjoy this episode with the one and only Chris Catan. Don't forget to send your questions. Ask Nick at cast me.com. Cast with a K for asking episodes around Monday. Don't forget to subscribe.

I never really say subscribe, but fucking go subscribe. Yeah, just do it. Just do it. And that's all I got. Here's Chris. How's it going, Chris? Hey, Nick. I'm doing good.

How are you? I'm fine. I'm fine. Yeah. Just, you know, living the dream. How's the dream working out? It's an okay dream. It's fine.

You're living the dream, and you've already decided it's just okay. Yeah. It's like, do I want to wake up? I'm not sure. It's been a while since we've been able to chat. In fact, the last time I saw you in person was when we were on Dancing with the Stars together. I know. I got to say, I was really bummed when you went home because I know. I got to say, I was really bummed when you went home because you were, you know, it was a great cast.

You get to know everybody. But you're someone that you and I, we chatted a lot and kind of enjoyed kind of shooting the shit with. And obviously you were, you know, fun to talk to. So it's nice to have you back. Yeah, thank you. Yeah, no, that was really fun. I always, I was really, I can't say i'm surprised but i was really uh impressed how funny you were as a person i kept saying because people were like what's it like to work with nick and what's he like you know from people knowing you from the

bachelor and stuff they were like uh curious and i would say like he's really funny so you got the good looking and the very funny it meant a lot lot. I'm going to be honest with you. You told me that I was surprisingly funny. And I've been dropping your name for the past two and a half years and just be like, well, Chris Kattan said I was funny. So I just want you to know. Just an FYI. Just an FYI.

Well, that's nice. I didn't know that affected you that deeply well you are you are someone who uh i mean you you're a well-known for for being funny and someone you know you know someone who comes from that snl world i'm sure a lot of people have opinions about uh like various favorites of SNL, but maybe it's because of my age or whatever. Your generation was a prime generation, I think, in SNL history. And so for me, it was kind of a cool experience to get to know you. And that was the best compliment you could give me, as opposed to telling me I was hot.

I didn't say that, though. You did not. No, you wouldn't let me have that at the time. I was holding on to that. I was like, I can't let him have this. So how have you been? What have you been up to? I've been really good.

I've been well. I've been working on a few projects. I mean, because of COVID and everything else, there's not a lot to do. I mean, we've been working on a few projects. I mean, because of COVID and everything else, you know, there's not a lot to do. I mean, we've been home, like most people. And so I've been working on what I can here. You know, everything's pretty much shut down or bordered up. And so not a lot, not a lot of options. So, but I'm working on a few things you know um and uh you know quarantine i have a girlfriend now i've been in a relationship for i don't know seven months now i think since indeed since august and we've been um exclusive since november to be specific

oh how did that who uh how did that how who uh define the relationship all right my dog keeps walking around and her nails are very thick, so I'm trying to stop her from walking. How did I what? Define the relationship. Who defined the relationship? You know, because you were like, oh, we were exclusive since November. So it sounds like there was a timestamp.

She defines everything. How did she go about doing that? Because she was, we were dating and she was still deciding whether she wanted to be exclusive or not. And I think she was also, whatever, she had other things going on in her life, other relationships. And I was, you know, so we just like, you know, I wanted to be, I think in the beginning I was, you know, I was the first one to kind of go like, I'm falling in love. And, you know, so that, I think that caught her off guard a little bit. And then we,

but you know, she, she decided she chose me and we eventually, you know, that's what ended up happening. But yeah, yeah you know so that's what we did she defined it to answer your question she defined when dating but i learned you know i learned i didn't know uh i thought after dating a few times means you're exclusive but that's not necessarily the way it is i think the game has changed a little bit yeah i it's funny it it i think it has right i thought once you start dating someone a few times that means you are exclusive so wait she wanted to define the relationship and you were like wait are have we not been yeah kind of yeah uh that's funny it worked out for the best because she was being she was being honest and

you know like with her feelings she wasn't that way no nothing was like come up later and say oh hey by the way even though i said we're exclusive i'm actually not that would have been bad is this been your first exclusive relationship in a while yes well how long was the gap like for me like in front when i my next girlfriend whatever that is it be, there'll be a gap, I guess you could say, in my resume from the last time I had a girlfriend. My gap is pretty long. It's like actually eight years would be my gap of having like a real, you know, kind of live-in girlfriend.

Has that been overall just great or has there been kind of adjustments of, oh, wow, you're here all the time? I worry about that myself. I get comfortable with being alone. It has been great, you know, being with someone and being with her especially has been fantastic. So, I mean, I'm going to go with the flow kind of guy. And that was the flow and that was the direction we went in.

And that's where we're at now. So, you know, it was definitely meant to be to be I mean she's fantastic and I'm very lucky you know and and we talk uh you know serious commitment stuff you know about marriage and things like that I mean well it's exciting yeah it is very exciting it's a very exciting relationship I'm jealous of you don't be too we also, with the fact that we had, you know, the COVID and the quarantine and that stuff, we didn't have a lot of options socially outside of each other. So we had to, there was some friction a little bit there too, I think, you know. Kind of almost fast forward in the relationship a little bit.

A little bit, yeah. I don't think she expected to be around me as much as she intended intended i could be more than i don't know what i could be i could be uh i don't know she wanted a little space for me and she wasn't getting it didn't you give her like a like a romantic like dinner date on like the balcony one night or something i did I did a couple of those actually, the one that she taped, but I did. It was date night, as they say, and I gave her... Well, I didn't really cook it from scratch. We have a thing called sun baskets

that come to your door. Is that like a food delivery service? Like a food delivery thing. It's like a chef pre-made thing. Yeah, she's telling me right now. But yeah, it's like pre-cut i mean you get the vegetables and you get the like here's it'll say like now you know dice onion it'll have an onion and then you dice it so it is from scratch yeah it's from scratch it's not pre-made nothing's

pre-cooked it just gives you directions uh like occasionally they'll be like sauce the sauce is already pre-made would you consider yourself a romantic yes for sure yeah i think so i think she was also put out uh not put up but she was a little caught off guard she didn't know i was as romantic of a person as she uh i don't think she knew that she she can't keep up as she says have you always been this way or or as you've gotten older you've you've tapped into it i feel like i've gone the opposite direction i think i've gone the opposite but she became an exception i mean somehow uh just because of the person her name is cheyenne by the way and and she's because of the person that she is i just

ended up being uh becoming more romantic than I've ever been in my life. Like I wrote her a poem. You know, I've written her two poems before. I haven't written a poem since high school, really. I've run into letters I've written in the past to girlfriends, whether it's like, I'm in love or I'm going through a breakup. And sometimes, you know, you run across something and I'm just

like, I have some, I have a couple feelings. It's like, first, it's like, oh, well, good for me for being able to express myself. And sometimes it's more like, yuck, who is this guy? Right? But it's sometimes as I get older and I get a little bit more practical or even, you know, some might even say cynical. It's nice to hear or exciting to hear that you've tapped in and you have this person in your life that, for lack of a better way of saying it, makes you feel like a kid again. It's great. It's wonderful. I think she also doesn't, I think she hasn't been used to relationships where there's a lot of expressing of emotion, I think. So I'm very expressive about how I feel. Maybe, maybe too much.

I don't know. What do you mean? Do you say this up? You're just like, oh, a little overshare there? Yeah. Like I said, yeah. I told her I was falling in love on our third date so but i mean but i you know i knew what i knew i felt like and i felt like you know if i didn't express how i felt uh i felt like that i wouldn't be honest with myself

you know and honest with her so i think that's great and it's not as if you were like some 17 year old person who has never said this before maybe Maybe it's the third person you said you, you know, it's like in high school, it's just like, I love you. And you're like, oh, really? Who else have you told this to? Like, well, I mean, I told three people last semester, but like, I definitely love you. Right. Yeah.

No. Yeah. It's exciting. Yeah. It was exciting. I came from, and I come from the place of like telling how you feel. I think she felt like it was a power trip at first. She goes, oh, you're just trying to, you thought it might be a power trip that i was telling her that i

was falling in love with her but that's just where she comes from she thinks you know otherwise of of men sometimes i think so she was like wow maybe because she didn't know she didn't know uh that she i really was falling in love yet you You know, because you have to be cautious. She's a cautious person. Yeah. You're just a different or better version of maybe some people she's had in her life in the past. Yes, I think so. That's what she says.

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who don't know are you able to share a little bit about like what happened to you and like kind of that long road and some of the things because i think it's really inspiring what you've had to go through to kind of get back to the place where you are now. Yeah, it was hard to go through that. It was, I had an injury on Saturday night live and I actually, I did it. I wrote a book called baby don't hurt me. And it is in the book. I do go into detail about the accident. But when I was on dancing with the Stars, I told the, you know,

the producers that about the injury, but, and, you know, the producers would then tell the judges, I assume, and all that stuff. So they knew about it. So they'd be easy on me a little bit, or just taking consideration that there's some moves I may not be able to do. Sure. I don't think they told the judges because they judged so low and they didn't know about the injury until the second week.

But I also didn't vocalize it yet. I didn't really vocalize it to the public that I had this injury. And when I was on SNL, I didn't vocalize it either because I didn't want to be, as they say, put on the sidelines a little bit. Sure. And when I first got the injury, I developed this atrophy that was pretty intense. And so it wasn't like a break the neck, clean break. It just developed into atrophy. But the doctor was like, you basically broke your neck. So I had to have surgery. I had five surgeries over the past 20 years, I think.

So in regards to that. How long ago did that happen? It happened in 2001. In 18, 19 years. Yeah, yeah. And then when you have surgery, I don't know if you've had any kind of surgery or at least that kind of. Nothing like that. I mean, I had my adeno had a, my adenoids taking out and it's up to, yeah. So I wrote, yeah, it's a throat nose thing. It's nothing what you went through. It's a, I

mean, it sucks. Don't get me wrong. Like I, like for two days I was not feeling too great, but in a week, a week later I was up and running. Well, it's funny because the doctor, after surgery, they said, this is like adenoids but a lot more extreme. Yeah. Adenoids and a broken neck. It's like potato-potato, you know? Very similar. There really isn't much.

There is a little bit of a window in between of pain and indifference, but yes. But yeah, when you have surgery like that that a fusion you know spinal fusion and that kind of thing is uh it's pretty intense you know in the post uh you know the post-surgery of just getting back to normal and learning how to walk again and stuff it's pretty uh you know it's it's you know it's uh humanizingizing and it's a little embarrassing and so you just you know and I wanted to keep working and you know be on and I was doing a TV show called

The Middle at the time too so you know and they knew about it but at the same time I was like you know from the time of healing and then going back on set you know I still didn't want the general public to know, even though my agents knew and managers knew

and the people in the show knew, but I just didn't want, I think I was afraid of being judged about that, you know, because I was physical and I am a physical comedian. And, you know, I just didn't want people to think, you know, oh, wow, he's incapable of doing this and that, you know. Yeah, I mean, that's crazy to think about. I never even realized that when it happened that not only were you dealing with the injury itself, you were kind of dealing with the mental struggle of how to address it, you know, in terms of how to face it to yourself or even the people around you looking back to you would you have done it differently in terms of of of expressing what happened um or do you not have

any regrets about that no i think i would have expressed it i mean times have changed too you know i think uh you know in the last i don't know maybe eight years or something that people it's very uh it's so common sense now to say something about anything that happens to you now. Once you're affected, that it's better to say something about it and, you know, voice your opinion and voice your thoughts and have a voice. You know, it's very important, especially now with what's going on. It's very important to have a voice.

So back then I would have, I would have done different. I would have, I would have definitely have spoken out publicly and said something about it you know instead of struggle to try to uh you know show that i can do this and compensate for it yeah that must have been like just mentally and emotionally taxing yeah i mean my friends knew it my loved ones knew it my family knew about it but um you know again I didn't want the public to know. And the producer SNL too were like, you know, you should keep this on the download so that, you know, they said we'll pay for the surgeries. And that way NBC didn't really know about it either. The network didn't know either. didn't know either. So, um, they, you know, I just said, but you know, uh, Lorne Michael's doctor, I went to go see him and he said, you're going to need surgery. So I had surgery over a hiatus or during the summer, that was my first surgery. And then they're like, Oh, you need to have another surgery. So every time I had a hiatus, I would somehow block out enough time

to have the surgery, but I would have, I would have spoken out differently because now now everything's so everybody's so accepting and I didn't realize too that there's a lot of people out there uh that were suffering from the same thing or not being able to uh speak out about their injuries or any anything like that you know when people have some sort of a setback in life or they have something they're struggling with it's always better to say something about it because there are other people that feel the same that are sharing the same struggle you know and i could have taught people about that earlier i did when i spoke out about it but you know i can only imagine what it would be like to uh have something and it is fascinating and it's we always talk about on the show just the way

people perceive themselves and and perceive how people might perceive them if that make if that makes sense but it's something we constantly uh are always thinking about you know we want people to like us how are people going to view us how should i react do i speak up do i not you know etc etc and uh that can be as draining as our physical ailments sometimes yeah it can be yeah from a physical standpoint how much are you still dealing with the any limitations i don't really have any limitations i mean i can't go downhill skiing i don't think i can go downhill skiing i don't think i'm allowed to do that there are like certain things i'm not allowed to do i can't go downhill skiing i guess i could ski I don't think I can go downhill skiing, Chris. I don't think I'm allowed to do that. There are certain things I'm not allowed to do. I can't go downhill skiing.

I guess I could ski. I don't know what skiing would be without. Can you ski just straight? Cross-country skiing. Yeah. That's right. That's how much I know about skiing. I got a question for you that I think about to myself. It's like SNL is such a legendary show and historical and goes back so

many years. You know, and you've done things outside of SNL, some great things, some very funny movies, obviously Dancing with the Stars, I'm sure is on the top of your accomplishments. But I'm sure like, obviously, people are still recognizing you from SNL and something for myself where it's just like, you know, I'm working hard to carve out my own niche and my career. And I'm, you know, thankful for the things I've done on The Bachelor. But it's always like people like to go back to my experience on The Bachelor, especially when they say recognize me.

Right. I struggle with learning how to accept that and appreciate that. Do you face the same thing sometimes or, you know, trying to break away? Or do you view it differently just because I feel like SNL is more respected than The Bachelor? I don't know, but maybe I'm just saying that from my own point of view. There was a while where I felt like I was being pigeonholed as like, say, my character, the mango. Oh, yeah. Oxford guys, you know, and they're like, you know, that's what you do.

But I also realized that I there was a few things I did, not just one or two things, you know. And when it came to fans and stuff uh i i started seeing that they're fans of a lot of my work too my my body of work too it wasn't just one or two things and also saturday night live um i think also has changed too and that people see it as this body of work and the amount of talent that came from it too. So, um, you know, that has changed too. So it was, it's something to be proud of. I think, you know, it's been enough time. I think at that time, I think I struggled a little bit about being a pigeonhole, you know, but, um, that's how I perceive it. And I, that's how I think, uh, most people see it.

You know, I, I didn't realize, and also I didn't realize how much of the, like I go out and do stand up too as well sometimes. And at first when I started doing it, people were like, oh, I love the mango. And, you know, I love when you say, you know, you know, you can't have the mango or, you know, bop your head and all that kind of stuff. But I didn't realize how much it affects people too. Like it really changed some people's lives in some way. I don't know how, but like when people, you know,

there's a lot of people out there that are not as, um, that are not, that are not the happiest people or they're in situations where they're, they, they, they need laughter in their lives, you know?

And I didn't realize how much I can provide that. No, it's yeah. It's always, it's always nice to hear. And it is like, you're, you're, you're so great on the show and I can provide that. No, it's, yeah, it's always, it's always nice to hear. And it is like. You're so great on the show and it's so entertaining. Like I recently, you know, and not just because of you, but yes,

but I mean, I looked up like the best seasons of the bachelor and you're like, I think you're the second best season or the first or best season ever to watch. I don't know if everyone will agree with you, but thank you. Well, yeah, but we watched the whole season. We watched the whole season that you're on. It was so good.

We're really involved in it, and it was great. No, it is a weird feeling when people come to you, and especially for me, it's The Bachelor. I look at you and all these characters you developed and the talents you showed, and I'm just like, what did I do? It's weird, but when people are like And I'm just like, what did I do? You know? And it's, it's a weird, but when people are like,

I'm such a big fan or whatever, and I'm just like, why? Uh, that's the perception of it though. You don't know their exact perception of it. And also, we're two totally different people in our work,

you know? Uh, you know, you're also, like I said before, you're so much funnier than people may, may, may assume,

uh, you know, right off the bat, like the videos you've been doing on Instagram are really funny where you make yourself, you play different people, you know? Yeah. I just thought that idea is so good for different versions of myself. SNL strangely came up with a very similar concept when they did the at home, like right after i came up with mine i wasn't sure if i should be flattered or offended yeah it was well because like i play four different versions of me you know but it was all me it was like the douchey me versus like the influencer me or the nerdy me and they came up with a it was a guy playing different people but it was just him and it was like this is uh i feel like i'm being

ripped off but also it's snl so thanks maybe i don't know it was i always believe that there are no new ideas because definitely that seems and i definitely didn't invent that concept you know yeah maybe i don't know but yes you didn't invent the concept but i wouldn't be surprised if people saw that and were like hey I have an idea because right now it's also everybody has such no you know 80 everyone has a DD or at least can claim they have a DD so they can watch something and then you'll see it somewhere else yeah that's that's totally true yours is really funny I think it was funnier. I didn't, yeah, it was really funny. Well, that means a lot.

Who was the character? I have some more ideas. It just got time consuming. I'll come up with some more, I'm sure. Well, how many did you do? I did the first one. It was kind of like, what are we doing during quarantine? And then like the second one I did was kind of a settling in to the new now of like not going outside and then I did a

I did just one based off of folding laundry a whole that's where you're inspired by the folding of the laundry I just I just hate folding laundry so it was like and I and I do like I I came up with the idea based off the concept of, I'll look at a pile of laundry and have these conversations. Are we going to do this now, Nick? Are we going to wait? Do we really have to do it? And then I did one where I shaved my head. And then a date night. Then one, me getting ready for a date, a Zoom date. Then a date night. Then one, me getting ready for a date, a Zoom date. That was a lot. Have you been able to date a... I mean, you can. You can't really...

Have you gone on any... I mean, right now, maybe I could... Yeah. You know, I mean, I might have... You know, I've connected with people in various ways. Have you gone out various ways? That's so vague and yet so specific. Yeah.

Have you gone out out have you physically gone out and met up with with somebody else yet uh yeah keeping your distance or you know sure you know yeah i've i've also been tested you know you can get it's easy to get tested now in la and i mean it's here's the thing i mean at this point when it comes to covid it's we're going through so much obviously as a country and the protests and people going outside and I mean, here's the thing. I mean, at this point, when it comes to COVID, we're going through so much, obviously, as a country and the protests and people going outside and everything's been politicized and et cetera, et cetera. But the world does have to go on.

We just have to, the new normal is just trying to be as smart as possible. Like, you know, we're gonna go outside more. We have to keep washing our hands. We have to keep our distance. Handshakes and hugs are probably not something we should get used to doing with like any and everyone. But as humans, I think we need physical contact and we need to interact with people.

And there's just going to be a level of calculated risk that everyone's going to decide to do. So yeah, I've interacted with people. I've gone on six foot walks with friends and other people. I've shortened that distance, I've gone on six-foot walks with friends and other people. I've shortened that distance, you could say. Two feet? Two feet. Yeah, it's like one foot, six inches.

Is it too much to ask? Have you kissed another person? Since COVID? Yes. Yeah. Okay, that's good. Sure. Who's interviewing who here, Chris? What the fuck?

You know? No, I'm just kidding. I'm kidding. No, I'm just joking with you. Yeah. Who is it? They want to know. They want to know.

Sometimes that's all they want to know. But have I kissed someone since quarantine? Yeah. Quarantine you have. Okay. Yeah. But only a peck. Oh, just a peck kiss, like on the cheek?

Sure. Somehow I got into that. Yeah. Who is... I don't remember jumping back and forth, but only because I remember you're talking about some of your characters. I think one of my favorite characters, and i forget the name of it just this the skit where you were basically playing like uh the the goth garage you're like you filmed it from your

garage and it was awesome oh so good molly shannon and i play gothic characters Oh so good And I was Azrael Abyss And it was It was a cable access show Yes That we did in our garage From Orlando Florida And we're gothic characters And I was you know

Azrael Abyss I was the prince of sorrow This is a voice Azrael Abyss I'm the prince Prince of Sorrow. I was like, this is a voice. I was the voice. Azrael Abyss, I'm the Prince of Sorrow. I kind of had a Robert Smith hairdo going on. Yeah. We would have various guests. Like, we had Charlize Theron and Jeff Goldblum. And we had Chris Farley.

We had a lot of guests on that show. And that was one of my favorite characters I ever did on the show. I think for sure. As real as this, I always thought like that when I always came up with characters, I always thought it would be neat to, I mean, that was one of the coolest things about being a star in our live is you get

to introduce a world that hasn't been seen on that or introduced. And I thought the Gothic world hasn't really been seen and uh obviously a great way to see worlds uh on uh on on saturday night live is to do a character from that world and um so i thought and i always thought that that would be a good movie when when lauren michaels asked will and i to do uh night at the roxford or the roxbury guys moved based on that i was like i almost felt like the gothic characters would have been much interesting actually i totally agree you know like that whole world in high school like everybody knew those kids knew people like that in high school the gothic characters especially like the layers you could introduce

in terms of like the character development of like, why did they decide to become goth? Cause I almost liked it when you guys would break character, like, especially when it was like, Oh, when you're like your big brother, I don't remember, like your older brother would come in or whatever and you get mad at

them. And like your, your character would break character almost of the goth. Those were like really funny moments. And I think that would have been really funny to see yeah in a movie format that is funny that you said your character broke character because that is what essentially was happening it wasn't me breaking character it was our characters were actually breaking characters yeah you're still in character exactly yeah uh and i thought that

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because now with things like, with social media being what it is and then people have, like even like myself, right? Like I created these videos and now everyone's a comedian. Everyone has access to be a creator. Do you look at that as inspiring and cool

or is there a little bit of, oh man, everyone thinks they're a comedian type of thing? Because like SNL was really a leader, obviously, in that type of style of comedy. And now you see like YouTube creators or Instagram people like always come on with these skits. And some of them are really clever. Some of them really make people laugh. You're like, wow, that's pretty good. There's a lot, that's a lot of talent. Yeah. And then other times it's just like, what am I, what am I watching? How is this, you know, how is this person with 30 million followers, uh, you know, entertaining people? That, yeah, it varies. I mean, there's some things that are really funny out there and some things that are not. And I am, there are a lot

of the times I am like, how does this person get 30 million followers just based on a sketch where they're not really doing much, you know? You know, but it's different. Obviously back when I was on SNL or comedy back then, there was no social media, you know? And it was very hard to be, to have, there wasn't an outlet as easy as there is now, you know?

There wasn't a, I mean, you could do anything right now. You can just put yourself on YouTube or just an Instagram video and you can get 30 million followers just based on something witty or something like that. So the game has changed completely. But there are things that are funny, but not nearly as funny, I think, as things used to be. I think people are very hungry for comedy. So, especially nowadays that,

so people are tend to like things that may not be as funny as they usually are. I think, you know, I think there are things that, you know, yeah, I think there are just some things that, or, or like, you know, there are things that people have done before there's a lot of things out there that you're like oh my god i just saw that like i've seen that before many times but a lot of people don't remember or have any perception of the fact that they've seen it before you know or they don't remember that that was just done like you know a few days ago you know it's like where have i seen this it's like you know like last week

um that last week but nobody remembers that that yeah that's the the add of the world we're we're facing in um but it also gives everybody that opportunity to try something and find out if they're funny or not i guess you know because everybody wants to know if they're funny or not, I guess, you know, because everybody wants to know if they're funny or not, or a good actor or not. I mean, how old were you when you went on SNL? I was 26 when I first got on the show. Wow. And I went into the, I was

19 when I got into the Groundlings. Groundlings is that L.A.-based improv group. Have you been to the Groundlings before? Yeah, I've taken some Groundlings classes oh you have yeah i can't buy glasses yeah i was uh i was told i was a natural but my but i wasn't good at my my weakest thing is character i'm not i'm good at the sn i'm really good at uh taking care of my partner as they say right um i'm not good at uh yeah i i might like i'm not good at, yeah, I might, like I'm not good at like accents and voices and characters.

So that's something that I, I needed to get better at. Did you have a specific, did you have a character that you thought you were good at? Was there one at least you can go like, okay, I liked the guy. Not really. I do like, no. And I I'm not good at them and I don't have the confidence in doing it. So what I would do is I'd often break character. I would go in and out of like a terrible, you know, Southern accent.

And like, as you know, obviously you don't need me telling you is like, it doesn't matter if it's good or bad. You just have to be committed. Right. And that's the hard part. Like, that's what I would struggle with. But I didn't have any like go to. the hard part, like that's what I would struggle with, but I didn't have any,

like go to, um, um, I was, that wasn't my strength, but I was, you know, the yes.

And the, the, the rules of it all, the thinking on my feet to like, again, just kind of carry the scene. and yeah, that's something I had fun with.

And that's actually really hard though. Some people struggle with trying to take care of their partner. You know's uh it almost sounds a little psychological maybe in life you uh take care of your partner and therefore you knew how to take care of your partner in a comedy scene well that was something i think i just um you know paid attention to i mean you know like you know in groundlings it's 101 and right you get a lot of actors who you come in who want to like practice that muscle. And then the scene starts. And the next thing you know, they're taking over.

Improvisation. Yeah. Yeah. They're not listening. They're always the first to speak. And you're just like, did you not listen? And so that was something i've been good at but again i like they you know that school groundlings does such a good job of like there's you know anyone to a certain point can be good if you if you simply just follow the rules if you just listen

and then like obviously to be truly funny and fantastic you know that you've developed those characters and and and practice those muscles but uh right yeah a lot of fun doing that and uh i just actually the last class i took was the beginning of the year um oh really yeah uh it ended in in march right honestly it ended right before right as this all as as kovat I was in Groundlings when Kobe died. I was in an improv club. Like that's where, you know, when people think about where were you when Kobe died, you know,

it was one of those moments. That's, I was in class. That's, I'll always, you know, I was at the Groundlings Theater. That's crazy. When did you start doing classes at the Groundlings? My first, well, when I first got to LA, the first thing I did was take UCB.

That was, I did, I did UCB. And then I got into acting classes and I spent more time in acting classes. And then, and then I took my first groundlings class. It was like two years ago and I passed and I just didn't take the next one. and so i retook the one i passed already just to like get back into it and i thought it'd be good for me anyways um so yeah i've i've taken two i've taken the same class twice right are you gonna go back i mean right now they're doing them online because you can't

go to them physically. I want to. I want to get better at characters. That's why you're... I mean, I can't say that's why you're funny, but that's why you're able to find some sort of ruling to your funniness because you do seem to follow some sort of order and some sort of rules when you do your videos on Instagram. You know, it seems like you do have some sense of sketch. I mean, you do, I mean, that's the filming a sketch of yourself. So you do have a constructive way of been the most fun for me. And like, you know, I, I used

to sell software, you know? Um, and when I was a younger kid, I was artistic and, uh, there was a lot of, uh, things I'd liked to do that I just stopped doing. You know, you kind of, as you grow up, you get into sports and you just like, you forget that you liked being artistic and you did those things. And moving to LA and trying new things, it's, from a personal standpoint, it's been the most fun for me to to do some of this stuff to do things i never thought i'd be doing to you know have an artistic eye and even when i was shooting that stuff by myself to like you know i'm honestly i'm directing it i'm writing it i'm shooting it and to like try to come up with different just try to be creative with your camera angles and and and and the cuts

or like think about how you're going to shoot it and then just shoot a certain way just to get a certain angle and have some fun with it. It's been a lot of fun because I just never thought I would do stuff like that. That takes a lot of work. I mean, when people say you're on a date, people are like, God, you must hear a lot. I had no idea you were so funny. a date you know people are like god i had not you must hear a lot i had no idea you were so funny well when i'm on a date i love the first couple dates are a lot of uh especially if they've seen

the show it's a lot of uh revelations you know the first one i'm generally taller than people anticipate uh there's a you know there's that i think you're taller than you do you appear short on this apparently i i would say nine times out of ten when i meet somebody who's watched the show the first words out of their mouth are you're you're taller than i thought how tall are you you're six foot i'm guessing six two oh that is taller than i thought okay there you go you're right so yeah i mean i uh i always hate saying it like i have a lot of layers but um that they said the part of this part of the show like the bachelor what it does is like it they they do you know they they there's only so much time to show so many sides

of you and there's obviously the show is in a certain format so when you tell a joke or show some humor uh yeah people aren't expecting that in general and you know like you talk about pigeonhole the the right yeah there is a certain perception of anyone who goes on the show and the type of person that they they cast and so there's there's a lot of of that so yes i mean anytime people get to know me good or bad there's always a lot of uh people kind of reassessing feelings. And it's not that it's good opinions or bad opinions. It's just like, especially with me, people had a lot of strong opinions. And so just to show different sides of you, people are always generally fascinated by that, which I've learned to take, I've learned to appreciate, as opposed to have an issue with.

Because like sometimes, you know, you get defensive. I don't know if that's how, I even had this, a friend asked me this, and she's like, I don't mean this condescendingly, but when I first met you, you seem different now. Are you a different person? I said, well, no. When I meet people, I've just, I recognize, at least for me, that when people are meeting me for the first time, and I know that they know me from the show, I know they're assessing me. And so I get very calm and quiet when they're when I feel like I'm being assessed. And I get more careful and I get more. And do you ever have you ever have you felt that way with your career in terms of, you know, obviously, with SNL, you playing all these characters in terms.

Yeah. Do you ever, do you, do you have you ever ever had a hard time being your true self when you're meeting a fan? No, I actually not. I think I'm very much. I think people are surprised that I'm not that kind of person. I mean, you know me relatively well.

You knew that I, although I was, you know, being on the show with you, there is a sense of, because there is a camera there, so there is a sense of like we do need to entertain at some level. You were really chill, yeah. I wasn't like on. I'm not like one of those guys that's on all the time

or feels like I need to hop in and out of character or i have uh those lines that i say or something like i do have a i don't do that i think i'm one of those people uh i don't think i'm one of those people that does that you know well that was it was kind of what i enjoyed talking to the most is i never felt like you were performing and and when you and i talk, we were kind of doing a lot of just yes. And for fun, it was just having fun making observations and, and not like it was, we were just living in our own world of, of maybe like, I don't know, making fun of craft. I'm not making fun of anyone, but like observing craft services or ourself, we'd make fun of ourselves a lot uh but just like having fun with that kind of um silly humor yeah well i had no idea that you had a sense of improvisation so and that's end of what that's what ended up happening just by talking

with you naturally we ended up doing kind of a yes and and that's kind of like what a conversation is in real life anyway without any kind of improv structure it It's just a yes and. I mean, you need to go somewhere in the conversation and that's what happened to you. I mean, you're always so entertaining to talk to. I was like, I had no idea that he's so cool. I didn't think I was, or no one considered me to be that funny when I was younger. Like for me, it came later in life. And when I got more comfortable with myself and my own skin and who I was, and I wasn't trying to be someone I wasn't. And quite honestly, like dates help you, you know, the yes. And, you know,

learning how to like keep a conversation going is a lot of like, Oh cool. Yeah. Then, and this and that, and, and just saying yes a lot and, and, and adding to it is a, honestly like the, the improv at, when I was in sales, they would suggest improv classes because it's just a great communication tool. Whether you're trying to be funny or not, to just kind of be easier to talk to and close off. How much does it suck when you're on a date and you're just like, ask a question they're just like no yeah right exactly it gives you some confidence too you know and being uh someone that might be put on the spot or something you know it is it is good because there's a lot of people that are unable to come out of their shell. They're unable to be relaxed around somebody else.

Your girlfriend, did she... People like to talk about, they make me laugh. Are you the someone in the relationship being someone who has a career in comedy? Is that the role you play? Or do you find that you make each other laugh?

Or what's her personality like? We make each other laugh or what's her personality like? We make each other laugh. She's very dry, you know, and she can poke fun at me. And she sees that. I mean, we know each other really well by now. And she, you know, she knows me almost too well in the sense of she knows where to make me realize I need to have a sense of humor about certain things. Oh. make me realize I need to have a sense of humor about certain things. Oh, what are, what are some of those things that you maybe took a little too seriously about

yourself? Oh, like I could be too sensitive about certain things. Maybe take things personally too much, you know, things like that. Yeah. I mean, we all can. Yeah, I guess we can. She's a little bit harder than i am that way but um she um but she's very sensitive too she just doesn't show it as much you know i think i i didn't realize that even though people don't show their sensitivity they're actually almost more sensitive you know the people that don't show it sometimes oh yeah and usually

sometimes it's the things that you would would surprise us about our you know yeah exactly yeah she definitely thinks i'm funny and i do make her laugh i don't make her laugh like you know i think in the very beginning there was a lot of like that laughing but's, she's not as, uh, she doesn't think I'm as funny as she thought or, or she's just like come back down and, uh, you know, I would think, uh, you know, but she, she does laugh at things I say a lot, you know, but we also, we laugh at, again, like I was saying earlier that I'm not one to be on or perform. So there's things that make us both laugh, you know, usually.

But she makes me laugh a lot, too. That's good. You've obviously been pretty active on social media lately when it comes to, you know, some of the things that are going on in our country and Black lives matters. Um, is that something, you know, you've always been passionate about, or do you have any kind of stories you have to share about like things that you've experienced or, you know, uh, friends you had or peers you've had that you've seen have to deal with, uh, some of this, um, kind of injustices that have gone on in our country for a while. Um, I just, I only ask this because you've been really, you know,

and it's great. You've been a real ally and, and someone who's tried to use their platform and their voice to, you know, support the change and the desire for awareness that's going on right now. Yeah, well, I think it's important. I mean, I think it's important to, you know, some people are posting on social media like I am or some people are literally protesting you know and uh you know i haven't done that yet there's a lot of protesting around me there was going to be a sit-down protest a couple days ago and then it got canceled and at that time i think though the protests were a little more scary to be part of just because you didn't know how they were going to end at that point. And, you know, some people are donating and some people are, but the most important thing is, you know, educating yourself about this whole thing. You know,

I think a lot of people don't know what to do. And I think education, educating yourself about this and what people have gone through is, is the most important. And some people that aren't educated about it or need to express about what's happening and how they feel they need to have those conversations with friends and family, you know, and it's some, some people it's hard to have that conversation because they've never had that conversation before, you know, at home, you know,

I think that's where it started at home, that kind of conversation, you know, but you know, a revolution is happening of some sort, you know, and these times they are changing that kind of conversation you know but you know a revolution is happening of some sort you know and these times they are changing as they say you know or as bob dylan said you know it's it's i mean we're in the thick of something that major and it's just crazy and um it's not crazy but it's just you know it's just really uh from the outside it looks like it's crazy but what's happening is major change and i don't know what people people don't know what to to call it for those who don't know how to say something about it you know and that's where the yeah well i mean the reality is when when change like this happens

it can be uncomfortable for people we have a way of of and we've all done this it's it's always just easier to avoid uncomfortable situations. And whether it's something as simple as comedy or anything we're trying to have change, like to ever break through to get to another place in anything, an understanding of a concept, a skill, you have to like endure a level of comfort. You know, we were talking about like what I suck about is improv, is character. And the reason why I suck about it sometimes is I judge myself, I get uncomfortable, it gets awkward and I avoid it, right? So that same

thing happens when it comes to social issues and things that, again, would just be easier to be like, I don't want to, I want to pretend it doesn't happen. And so, you know, when you talk about these conversations, it's good to see that you're seeing more been more conservative like i i'm conservative i grow up very conservative i i know i talk a lot about these progressive issues but you know i think sometimes people would be surprised about the history of my voting record you know i don't i don't identify with one side or another anymore but uh i but the point is it becomes less politicized and more about the issue itself and it, and I think that's encouraging and nice to see. It is, it is encouraging.

And it's also, but at the same time, it's interesting to see the true colors of, of your friend or family member to see what they, when it comes to a change in, in, in the world of what's going on, people do need to make a choice,

you know, and you get to see what they really feel. And that's where it could be difficult. It can be. I mean, my family feels the same as I do, and they're active, depending on their age. You know,

my five-year-old stepdad's not going to go out and protest right now, but, you know, he will be at home voicing his opinion as much as he can but you know it is yeah and i've seen stuff on the internet in terms of and there's some good stuff it's like there's a lot of ways to try to help and do your part and so yeah we need to do a part because we can do a part there. So there's no right specific roadmap just because let's say you're very not able to go out and, you know, and join a protest if that's what you want to do. That doesn't mean you're not supporting it.

Having conversations and again, listening is always a great, a great first step. And just acknowledging maybe things are a little bit different than I've been telling myself or I've been told all these many years. Yeah. Yeah, it is. And it is. It is different than a lot of people thought, you know, but it is there and it's real and it needs to be acknowledged and things need to change for sure.

Yeah. Well, Chris, this has been a ton of fun. Before I let you go, we always play this game called Do You Know Me with our guests. It's real simple. I ask some real simple questions to you. Don't answer right away. And Chris and I are going to guess the answer. And then if you have an anecdotal story about the answer, feel free to share.

You don't have to. You'll catch on real quickly. So do you know me with Chris Kattan? Okay. First question, real simple. Can Chris play an instrument? Can Chris play an instrument of any kind? And to the point where, like, he can actually play a whole song, not just make noise. Is he pretty good at any instrument whatsoever? I'm going to say no. I think he might have took lessons at one point in his life, but at this point, I don't think he could pick up any instrument and impress anyone. You could make him laugh, but I don't think he could. And just so you know, Chris,

I can't either. So if that's true, no judgment. But I'm going to say Chris cannot. I'm going to say he can. I'm going to think he can. I bet he's got some weird like pan flute somewhere that he just can like whip out

and some songs on. Or like a clarinet. I don't know. Who knows? Like Puck from Midsummer Night's Dream? Yeah. Just like, go for it. Well, I guess the answer is, well, because you said to complete a song.

No, I can't. I can't complete a song. I can play the piano, but I don't think I've ever actually completed a song unless it's, you know, heart and soul, you know, that one I can complete. Yeah, no. So the answer is no. Well, because you said complete a song. That's fine. You can't do it. Either can I, Chris. But I can play a piano. You can? Yes. Yes.

A whole song? No. Well, I mean, I can sit down on a piano and make noise. No, there's a difference between playing piano. Like chopsticks? I can play chopsticks. I can play chopsticks. No, I used to be able to play a part of Rhapsody in Blue

by George Gershwin. I was going to say Gina Gershwin, but that doesn't make any sense. So like maybe, kind of, but not really. No, I can do like a minute of it still, but I can't complete it, you know, so I can't I don't know a complete song. I'm going to say I got that right

and say no. Yeah, I want to learn how to play the pan flute. I would love to. I mean, I think it would be magical. Now's the time. Yeah, I see that you think I'm like that. That's okay. Question number two. Hasris ever played strip poker 100 yeah he definitely has especially at the height of his too yeah especially at the height of his hollywood days you know the parties i'm sure were legendary

and somewhere some at some point there was like let's's play strip poker. Yes, the answer is yes. But I've never stripped down. Almost just like completing a song, the first question. I never completely stripped down all the way. So I never completed a strip. So this means you're good at strip poker. How do you win? You get someone else to strip, right?

Yeah, someone else gets naked. I don't know if that other person got that naked either. I don't remember someone really getting completely naked. But I did not get completely naked. I think I took my shirt off and my pants off. So I was in my underwear and socks. Question number three. Can Chris

name three Dan Aykroyd SNL characters? Oh my god. I'm going to say yes. Off the top of my head, I know I can name one for sure. I probably could describe three. I don't know if I can

name three. I'm going to believe in Chris here. Oh my gosh. Oh no, I can name two for sure. I can name two. Yeah, I can name two for sure. One of the Blues Brothers. Yep.

One of the Coneheads. Yeah, those are the two I know that came in. And Juliet Childs. I mean, that was a character, right? It was. I'll take your word for it. It was. Yeah, right.

Well, that's where he cut his finger off you know oh oh also the basimatic uh where he also got hurt too oh the basimatic yes basimatic so good yeah basimatic but i don't know the character's name in that but that was that's okay you're gonna describe it uh question number four, has Chris taken a bubble bath in the past month? Has Chris taken a bubble bath in the past month? I'm going to say no. I'm going to say yes. But if it was a year, I feel like he's taken a bubble bath. Is new relationship, you do even some weird things you might not normally do?

I don't know. I'm going to say no. Maya says no, and Chris says yes says yes okay and the answer is yes i did take a bubble bath my significant other it wasn't weird though it doesn't mean it has to be weird no it's not i shouldn't say weird but i don't normally take bubble baths but i like in a new relationship yeah no judgment chris i mean hey there wasn't a lot of bubbles there was like just a little foamy up there on the top like a little little soap it was a bath a bath bomb created some bubbles oh a bath bomb sure a little fun but it wasn't like some you know physical bath thing i mean you know we were in

there naked you know but we weren't uh obviously we had no clothes on that's usually what happens in a bath but it wasn't like we did anything you know sexual or anything there wasn't any of that going on you can't do that i mean you can't it's what well you can i'll be honest if i'm taking a bubble bath with someone else i'm kind of hoping it turns sexual i'm just me i don't know if that makes me weird, but right now I hear you. Otherwise I'll just shower. Right. Exactly.

Yeah. All right. Last question. Does Chris prefer Monopoly connect for, or Uno? Does Chris prefer Monopoly connect for, or Uno? Chris has mentioned ADD in this episode.

I think Monopoly is a bit of a long game for him. How rude! I'm just... I'm not judging. I'm just basing this off of... I pan flu.

I don't know. I'm going to say Connect 4. I'm going to say Uno. Uno. Yeah. pan flute yeah i don't know i'm gonna say connect four i'm gonna say uno uno yeah probably uno i haven't played uno in a long time it's funny you could play it on a train or yeah connect four is kind of hard that way you know you get the pieces all over the place you start monopoly's like ah where's the what's the guy with the mustache mean i'm confused all right chris it's been a ton of fun catching up with you, buddy. It's glad to see you're doing well. Where can people find you?

Tell them about any projects you're working on. Now's the time to let the people know. Instagram is ChrisKatanOfficial is my Instagram account. And Twitter is at ChrisKatan. And I have some stand- stand updates coming up in august and um you can always get my book baby don't hurt me and there's some projects i mean that's what i'll announce what's happening right now we're kind of on pause everybody's a little bit on pause when it comes to projects coming out uh you know to be seen and worked on. So I think everyone's in the same boat a little bit, but, um,

but you'll know by going on Instagram, Chris Katan official to see what's happening, what's coming up. All right, buddy. Well, I appreciate it. Thank you for taking the time. Great to catch up. Hope to see you in person soon and to meet your, uh, a lovely, uh, girlfriend. Uh, I can't wait. Thanks man. That was fun. And always people. Thanks for listening. This has

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