The Viall Files - E16 LIVE FROM LA with Ashley Iaconetti

Episode Date: April 17, 2019

The Viall Files live from Los Angeles at the Westside Comedy Theater. March 31, 2019. The Bachelor’s Ashley Iaconetti joins me for our first ever LIVE SHOW! We discuss her upcoming wedding and then dive deep into social media. Does having access to so many people’s opinions ultimately help us or hurt us? We read some “Mean Reddit Comments” and then take questions from the audience. Keep your ears peeled for special appearances from Jared Haibon and Demi Burnett. Let us know what city you’d like us to come to next! Check out Ashley’s Podcast Almost Famous. https://www.iheart.com/podcast/139-the-ben-and-ashley-28165481/ Send your sex and dating questions to [e-mail] See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

You're crazy. How are you guys doing? Spilling my beer. Thank you guys for coming out. I'm really excited to do this. I've never done this before. It was my producer's idea. Like, well, we have a podcast.

Let's do a live show. So I was like, that was a great idea. And then I immediately get nervous. And it's like, well, is anyone going to show up? Ashley is here with me. I think Demi is going to show up and say hi for all the Demi fans out there. And I think she's bringing Tracy, she said. So we'll have a fun conversation,

and I think Ashley and I have a good topic. I feel like this is where people on the host of the show will say, we have a great show planned for you. I don't feel at all comfortable saying this. This is my first time doing a live show, so I think it's going to be pretty good. So lowering expectations. So anyways, Ashley, I want you to come to be pretty good. So lowering expectations. So anyways, Ashley, why don't you come out and join me?

Hi, Ashley. Hi, Nick. How are you? Cheers. Good, how are you? Cheers. Are you nervous? A little bit. I didn't think I would be, how are you? I am all... Cheers. Are you nervous? A little bit.

I didn't think I would be, but... I haven't seen you in a while. I know. It has been like a month. How are you... How is the wedding planning going? It's going really well. It's very easy.

It's just... It's fun because we have the best wedding planner ever, Troy Williams, to anybody who's getting married. Yeah. We plug Troy all the time because he deserves it. He just gives us a list of all the best vendors out there and then like shows us examples and then we pick from it. There's no searching involved with him, which is so nice. Great. I am glad it's going well. You and Jared are still in love, so that's really great. I thought it would be interesting. Ashley and I had this idea a while back to talk about social media and the Internet.

Obviously, we have an interesting relationship with it, but I think everyone does, and I thought it would just be kind of an interesting conversation. We talk a lot about people, a lot about dating on the podcast. And I get a lot of questions about how it relates to social media. Oh, I'm dating this guy. How soon should I follow him? What if he likes my picture? If I break up with my boyfriend, do I unfollow?

And the funny thing is Nick asks the same questions to his friends. Oh, I totally. Yeah, I totally. I was like, what should I say? And so I thought it would be an interesting conversation to just kind of talk about the effects of social media and the internet and how we react to it. I thought it would also be fun for us to maybe read

some of our Reddit comments out there. Who has ever been on Reddit? Raise your hand. This is this honest trust tree here. Raise your hand loud and proud. Who has ever commented on Reddit? Okay. One honest person here.

Who is not familiar with Reddit? My dad raises his hand. How would you describe Reddit, Ashley? Reddit is just like a message board. I used to be on message boards all the time

back in the height of American Idol or in the height of the Jonas Brothers. You were on it. I hung out on those message boards all day long. And commented.

All the time. And now I see now I read comments on Reddit and I'm like, I used to be one of those people. And who are these people? These people can be hard on us. They're opinionated. But no, but it's it's kind of interesting. And interesting and the reason I you know had this conversation is you know the effects of social media I think are just kind of fascinating and how it relates to just our society obviously like people ask us questions about oh what is it like to read comments about yourself positive or negative or have a following. And the truth is, all it really is, is now we have too much access to information and people's opinions. But I would argue that while it's heightened for Ashley and I, Ashley, Ashley, I actually

and I very confusing. It's really no different for everyone in this room. And is there anyone here who doesn't have any type of social media account? So, OK, no one great you know what is interesting though if you are not on reality tv or whatever people probably don't write mean comments under your pictures because you probably only have friends following kind of true but what's you know what well it's... Well, it's mostly true, right? But in terms of making it somewhat, you know, relatable is, you know, in social media, what?

Every day we have our family and our close group of friends that we talk to or our best friend that if we have a breakup or something's going on that we're excited to tell good news to or tell bad news to. And those are the people that we would interact with in our daily lives before social media existed and what we do on a regular basis. And now, even for the people who are on Instagram or Facebook and have 300 followers or 200 followers

or 60 friends on Facebook, that's very different than it was before. And now we have access to all this information and people's opinions even kind of subtly. It's interesting how it changes our behavior. I read an article about how Facebook extends friendships.

Back in the day, high school reunions are almost kind of useless at this point. It was for me. I went to my high school reunion a are almost like kind of useless at this point right? It was for me I went to my high school reunion a year and a half ago and it's just I didn't need to go at all. They didn't even have mine. They just kind of can't. Really?

Was that your 20th? Wasn't it back in the day? Not yet Not yet. This coming summer. I think it's this summer You're awesome. Sorry think it's this summer. Yeah. You're awesome. Sorry.

No, it's totally fine. But that was kind of the excitement of reunions, right? You'd be like, oh, like Eric Green. Wow. I mean, you used to play football and you're the quarterback. That's your husband. Oh, congratulations. Congratulations to both of you. And it'd just be like, wow, I never guessed and now it's like yeah it's eric green i haven't talked to him since high school but like i know his kids

names and his kids playing soccer so that's what was interesting because i read that facebook article that you sent me one i barely ever go on facebook do you guys still cruise facebook yeah um instagram's the same way? But then I noticed, oh no, like I look through every single picture and then I, you know, when I open it again, I have to go until the last picture I saw. But with Facebook,

I normally just see, it's more like people who have been married and have kids and they've been settled for a while. And I noticed that Instagram is more of like for the single more millennial generation, right? I feel like

a lot of, am I saying things that are totally, you know, politically incorrect by saying that the millennials have kind of abandoned Facebook a bit and I only use it to look at old people. Not old people.

To look at people who I went to school with. Old friends of mine. Not old people. Because I made those Facebook friendships back when Facebook started. And I haven't friended one of my friends from the past year, past five years on Facebook at all. Have you friended somebody on Facebook in the past

five years? No, but people are still but more like whether you have Facebook or Instagram, I guess my point is we now, everyone, whether you have a following or not, you have access point is, we now, everyone, whether you have a following or not, you have access to all these people's opinions that you never had before.

And now we're doing things that we've never done before. Again, when it comes to dating. I mean, when you were not with Jared and you were still in love with Jared, how often did you look at his instagram and get access into what he was doing or the idea of what he was doing when you were wishing you were with him well um when he was out i hated to see when he was like at a bar with his friends because i was of course wondering if he was gonna meet a girl that night but for the most part, I would just...

So every night you knew it was Jared. But Jared never really went out that much. So maybe it was like one night a week. It's true. Yeah. So when he does, it was... So when he did, it was really scary. But then I would assume knowing Jared...

High alert. Everyone was getting phone calls. Yeah, but you know... He's out. He's out. He's out on the town. Yeah, but you know Jared, and he would never hook up with a girl anyway. Like, how many times did Jared really bring a girl home?

You know? He did more than I thought he did, but it's still, like, it's not like you, Nick. My parents are here, Ashley. You know, like, you enjoy, like, picking up girls. girls when i say picking up i don't mean bring home i don't mean bring home i mean like you what do you mean just we're shitting on facebook now my dating life you you're like you'll go up to a girl and you'll like flirt with her and you're like you'll see if you can get her interested j Jared is a lot less up front with that stuff.

I wish, honestly, I was better at approaching women in public. I was thinking about this today when I was getting one of those chair massages at Whole Foods. You guys do that? I feel like I'm being judged right now. Oh, no. I like mall massages right it's the same premise but there's this whole foods

and this lady was there and I'm just like oh yeah fuck it 25 minutes please and now I go like four times a week on a first name basis it's fine it's like $2 a minute she does a great job okay but wait.

Do you think that you've found it harder to go up to girls in real life because you use Instagram and dating apps as a crutch? Totally. I think in general, I think dating apps have made everyone worse at communicating in person. I think nowadays when people go out to the bars and they see a, it was already hard to do in the first place of having the guts to go up to someone and be like,

hey, I'm Nick and I say hi or get you a drink. And now it's like, does anyone know her name? Like, great, I'll just go home and then I'll like kind of like look at her and wave. And then as soon as I leave, I'll DM her and be like, hey, I'm the person who was staring at you for 10 minutes and I think that happens more often

than not nowadays I think I know of one time that you did that I'm sure I've done that yeah am I the only one in this room who has gotten a DM or a message for someone at a bar that didn't say hi or they reached out to someone just me

I'm just it is a thing but then how do you DM or a message for someone at a bar that didn't say hi or they reached out to someone? Just me? It is a thing. But then how do you find, in this case it may have been a celebrity encounter. How would you find somebody if it was just a regular person? What do you mean? How would you see somebody at a bar and then go find his Instagram a couple

of hours later? You have a friend and you know someone or you get it, right? She knows. Right? Yeah. She goes on Reddit and she's just like, you know. And so, yeah, I mean, I think that makes people worse at communicating in person.

But I don't think for me it's really, I mean, yeah, I guess I probably have gotten worse at it, but I was never great at it. I'd always get nervous if I see someone at a grocery store. Once in a while I've done it, but you just get nervous. I feel like you would be so good at picking up somebody in person, though, because you have that aura about you.

I've been okay, but i still get nervous gravitation towards you thank you yeah um no but i think in general you get nervous there's always the fear of rejection i mean you just never know like you you give a shit right so as soon as you start caring or you you give a shit about the fear of rejection you're you're not your most normal self you're always it's like the trick to hitting on anyone is just pretend you don't like them like if you could talk to the person you're interested the same way you talk to the the guy who likes you who you don't like you'd be golden you know just well i know that you had friend zone on the agenda for today and i used to you

know i may be famous for being stuck in the friend zone with Jared for three years. But I was always the girl that was friend zoning guys because I would be friends with them. And then I'd be comfortable enough for them to see my real personality. And then they get into me. But then I was like, no, I don't know if they actually would get in. No, they wouldn't get in like that. But they would they would they No, they wouldn't get in like that, but they would become interested. Because, yeah, it's all about acting

as if you don't like the person. That's the best way to get somebody to like you. Would you do this on purpose, or because you just didn't... Oh, no, because I literally... This was a game, or you just... No, no, it wasn't a game at all. It was just like I was myself,

so then they ended up, you know, liking that. But then when you like guys... When I liked a guy, oh, my gosh. We've all seen that episode. Yeah, we've all seen that. Yeah. I mean, clam up central. Yeah.

I just I could not be myself at all. I couldn't find a single thing to say. We all do that, right, though. But like I think now we have social media to like even we't, we don't even try now or just like screw it. I'll just now, what do I DM them or what do I ask them? Do I say hi? But I also think sometimes too,

and then when we break up with people, um, hopefully you and Jared are together forever, but like you, um, but I do get a lot of questions about, you know, do I unfollow him?

He's, you know, you have, and then like, like, you break up with someone, you immediately start looking about their liking activity. He followed three new girls. Well, did you break up with him or did he break up with you? Because it makes a big difference there. Sure, but it shouldn't. Yes, it should.

Why? If you get broken up with, then, of course, you're still going to be like sad and hanging on and actually interested and hurt if that person starts following other people true but you are the king of like oh you're dumped you should just let it go just you're done it's over move on you should if you can but i don't don't you think sometimes who i mean people break up with other people a lot of people will i don't want to be with you, but I'm not ready for you to move on. That happens all the time, too.

So you'll break up with someone, and all of a sudden, let's say you break up with someone, and they're like, yeah, you know what? I think you're probably right. You know, we don't. You're right. Thank you, actually. And you feel like, wait, what do you mean? You're fine with this? No.

Oh, my sister's been like that. Not even a tear? Yeah, no, we're good thank you actually for being honest i was going to talk to you about this the next day they like follow four people yet but i broke up with you you're supposed to be crying and no you're right and i think the clouds are judgment now because again we have all this access to information that we shouldn't be having yeah to people and i think it does affect us and it starts changing our perspective of ourselves or even the people who, you know, the moms on Facebook, you know, when they're talking about like I've been on I've been to destination weddings. Right. And they're a lot of fun.

But it always seems to be like family and friend drama that goes on in destination weddings. It's always like the one friend who showed up late. Are you excited for our destination our, you know, destination? I actually just got your invitation and I'm, I'm. You should have gotten it like six weeks ago.

I'm a, yes. Okay. I don't, I don't take my mail very often, but yes, I got it somewhat recently, but I'm a little, yeah, I was thinking

about that today. I'm not, I'm excited for you guys. But you're not excited for the drama that probably will unfold because you're going to be like 17 Bachelor alum there?

No. But no, it's just more selfishly, it's in, what, Rhode Island. Yeah. So the chances of me being in a like,

a relationship at that point to say, hey, do you want to come to Rhode Island with me? Yeah. I feel like are slimmed and done. So it's not like it's an LA wedding

where it's just like, hey, we've been hanging out for a week. You want to go to this thing? So I'm probably going to show up alone to this like wedding where I'll be like,

yeah, still here. By myself. And I can't wait to see who's on the guest list. That's going to be super awesome. I'm sure it'll be fun. I think you'll be fine. It'll be fine.

No, I'm very excited about it. But yeah, it would be, you know, maybe, who knows? Maybe I will have met someone by then. Anything can happen. Anything's possible. But yeah, so anyways, I thought it would be fun. That could be really awesome, very magical. What do you mean?

If you just happen to find somebody in the next four months, and that's it. Then you're done. And she's it. And you're done. And she's it. And you're married. And you can be a dad. That would be great. Yeah. Because my Instagram could really need it.

Because, I mean, you all, like, it's all about babies and relationships. Oh, my God. I do. I'm so jealous of Tanner. I'm so jealous of Tanner and Jade. No, but Tanner's just like, oh, I'll just get him a picture of my baby. And I'm here like trying to figure out

what the hell, I don't know. Like if I, people ask me, if I didn't have, if I wasn't on the show, I would never have a social media. I don't, my friends I grew up with, they have an Instagram. They post maybe twice a year.

Yeah. And that's what I would do if I didn't, you know. And so now it's like, you know, I'm thankful that I have it and I can run a business off of it and there's a lot of opportunities it brings and I wouldn't have a podcast at the level it is now and I don't think any of you would be here if I didn't have the recent social media,

so I'm thankful for it. But I wouldn't have it, so now I'm like, I could joke and be like, well, no, I guess I'll take off my shirt and start painting Bob Ross stuff. You know, and I try to have some fun with it, but I'm like I could joke and be like well no I guess I'll take off my shirt and start painting Bob Ross stuff. You know I don't like and I try to have some fun with it but it's like. I was thinking you have not posted a picture in quite

some time have you? It takes. I was thinking about this earlier today I was like I don't think Nick's posted Instagram in over a week. It's stressful. I don't have the baby. Is it the bleeding? The what? The bleeding. Bleeding. Follower bleeding? No I think I'm fine. Oh baby. Is it the bleeding? The what? The bleeding. Bleeding? Follower bleeding?

No, I think I'm fine. Oh, great. There you go. See? Something Ashley stresses over. Oh, see? Yeah, I always look at the follower account to see if I'm bleeding. I don't look at that at all.

It's called bleeding, you guys, from Bachelor alone. Do you look at that? Yeah, I look at it. Oh. Yeah. It sucks. I don't look at it at all all it means that you're losing followers rapidly here's what it usually happens in the bachelor off season

such an unrelatable i'm being very honest right now no she is i appreciate that no here's what happens every every it's like this new thing with with people who go on the show right you overnight get this huge following and it's like, wow, first you're excited. You don't know what this, you kind of wondered if you would, and then you get it and you're just like, this is crazy. And then you get a lot of comments that are usually positive and there's always some negative ones. And you, that's a whole nother journey of getting used to that. And you have this, you, every time you post a picture, like everyone's liking, you're like, Oh my God, I can post a picture like everyone's liking you're like oh my

god i can post a picture of a band-aid and like i'm gonna get 10 000 wild you know and then there's always like the show ends and people go to their lives and like you you people kind of there's like two reactions that people like people ask the show does the show change you and i don't really think it changes you for the most part as a person but I think what it does is sometimes change your short-term kind of perspective in life sometimes and so sometimes it gives you kind of this false sense of who you are that you get used to like uh you're very gracious and excited about someone saying oh my god are you you so-and-so from the bachelor you're like yeah this is yeah I am actually sure and you're you're really excited about it and always like this period I think everyone goes through where

they kind of lose sight of the fans' reaction where they show up and they go to a bar and they're like, I want to take pictures again. Only for like a couple months go by and they walk into a bar and no one gives a shit. Right? Because people go on with their lives and there's always like that moment

where you see this group of usually young women and you're like, I can spot them. And you kind of do this thing where you're just like, okay, I'm ready. And then no one says anything.

You're like, no, it's totally fine. It's totally cool. And you're like, you know what? The bathroom's over there. You know what what I need to get a Kleenex for my ride home I'm gonna walk that way again and then you kind of like make eye contact as you walk by oh are you yes I am

I'm Nick from and I think everyone does that and since we're being super honest and talking about that have you ever had somebody come up to you and say, can you get a picture? And then you think that they want a selfie with you, but actually they wanted you to take a picture of them.

That's happened twice to me. They're like, can you take a picture? They just said simply, can you take a picture? And I go, yeah, of course. Yeah, no, that's happened. And it was like in selfie mode. I've never, I've never done, I never got that far slow, I think, yeah, of course. Yeah, no, that's happening. And it was like in selfie. I've never, I've never done, I never got that far, so I think to ask,

but it can warp your perspective sometimes. I always kind of get nervous though too sometimes. I can be, I always try to be gracious, but I can get awkward sometimes because I don't know, or the fan who will come up and because like sometimes it's always a, weren't you like hey

you were on the you were on the show and I don't know what to do in that situation because it's like alright well I'm gonna make you say it because if I'm like I was yeah no

The Bachelor didn't we go on a date Like a year ago and I'm like Yes yes I'm afraid Of that right so like I'm not gonna Be like I'm gonna wait for you to say it And most times they know And they don't want to say it so there's that

Fear of that Are you That hasn't happened but I have that fear of like Well if someone is playing dumb Or they don't know, I just like, I don't know what to say. And there'll be this like stare off. Like, you were on the. And I'm like, I'm pretty sure I could know the answer to this, but I really don't feel comfortable with the first one saying it. Oh, it's so funny.

Jared had this guy in the airport come up to him. He's like, we know each other, right? Are you from Boston? And Jared goes, well, yeah, I'm from the area. And then he's like, no, we went to school together, right? And then you're just watching him struggle. And then you're like, oh, I think you know me from The Bachelor. Jared's the best, though.

I didn't go to that school. Jared really is the best at this. And he's over there in the corner. He was convinced that he actually knew the guy from school. Like he was so sweetly naive to think that he could possibly know him. No, but Jared is so, he's one of the sweetest guys I know

and he's so gracious and he never, like it's impossible for Jared to come across as douchey. I really think it's impossible for him. And so he has such like this useful excitement about his experience and so I'll sometimes, like, this useful excitement about his experience. And so I'll sometimes, you know,

I've been out with Jared, and that will happen. And again, I will do this kind of awkward, like, I'm not going to say it. Are you going to say it? I'm not going to say it. And, you know, someone will be like, hey, do you guys, and Jared, like, in three seconds, like, yeah, you know, I'm from The Bachelor.

I met my fiance there. And I don't know if you've seen the episodes, but, like, you know, at first, she didn't, I didn't, you know, and he's really at first she didn't, and I didn't. He's really excited, and he lights up, and the fans are really great about him. I'm like, okay. He's really gracious about it, but I can't do it. I don't know how he does it,

because it never comes across as like he's bragging about it, so he's really good at that. Yeah, he's much better than everybody. But anyways, yeah, he's wonderful. I did that to your dad, though, earlier. It was so weird. I saw your dad and your mom out there on the promenade. And I go, he goes, are you looking for the same place that I'm looking for?

And I was like, probably. And then I was like, I know you. How do I know you? And then I didn't realize. I never met him in real life. You did not? No, I've never met him until tonight in real life. I've met your mom.

Yes, I've met my mom a couple times. Yeah, you never met my dad. You met him on FaceTime a couple times back when he didn't like you. Yeah, well. It was weird times. He was tweeting about me. It was super weird. It's like,

I can read your tweets. But yeah, the bleeding, I guess, Ashley, we didn't answer their question. But again, you have this overwhelming burst and then people kind of get sick of you, which is

normal. You have a certain number of following every time you post a picture. It is an opportunity to remind someone, why am I following you? And so people, it just happens to literally anyone with a following and it's a thing, I don't look at it.

I act, again, I try not to, social media brings me anxiety. Do you think it's because you're single though? Because I found that social media brought me so much more anxiety when I was single because, of course, I'd see crushes,

like, doing things, possibly following really hot girls. Like, that brought me a lot of anxiety. But Instagram now, in a relationship, now it's just, like, a business thing for me. I don't think of it, like, I don't go on these search sprees where I find myself in

scary situations like, oh my god, I didn't know that he was following her. And then you go in all the tag pictures and you see that they hung out. That was the anxiety of social media for me. With Jared and him having fun with you? No, I mean like, before Jared even, who's on his phone right now.

A little bit of... He's heard us. I know, he's heard the Scarface. It's a little bit of both, right? In my personal life, I don't think social media does me any favors of, again, of, like, having... It's just meant to give you FOMO about literally anything. And that's anyone, right?

I mean, to see what's going on or, um, and then I, you know, same as you, I use it as a platform to do the things I want to do. And,

um, and again, I joke about it, but it's, I don't like, I think it's weird to post, you know, a picture of,

of me, but I know that when I post a picture that people like, I either post pictures of myself or pictures with you and my bachelor friends because when I post pictures of regular friends, the internet tells me to stop doing that. And what I mean by that is... That's, like, it's very sad,

but it's just like... And because the only reason I have Instagram is for this opportunity to do things, it's like, great, fine, I'll just do this because my my friends outside of this world they don't care so it's not like they need to have the validation that we're friends and so that's that's why I do it so I

do stress about like I mean again I like I have fun painting but in any other world would I record myself painting and think of jokes to tell I'm doing in and like you know I try to have fun with it and I will say it's been fun because it helps. I've become a lot more creative. I'm tapping

into things I've never done before that I used to do when I was a kid and I'm doing now. That's fun. I sometimes wish it would come more organically. I do try to do a lot of things and practice those things. The things that bring me anxiety and stress like social media, reading comments, I try not to do.

I don't look at my analytics on social media because nothing about it is going to be positive about it. Yeah, and I always said I was always thankful of getting criticism before I got praised on the show because that gave me a lot of perspective. Because it's the positive comments that do the most harm to you. I truly believe because it absolutely warps your sense of perspective. Um, because it's, it's easy to read positive comments. It's like, Oh, heart emoji. You're hot. Why don't you, you know, Oh, you're great. Uh, and then all of a sudden you read 50 positive comments and out of nowhere comes this like

i am so sick of you go away and we're like i think that one gets me more than most of like you criticize my personality uh i'm like okay like we wouldn't get along that's fine or you don't get me or you don't know me in real life, but I think the go away or 15 minutes of fame is done annoys me so hard. That's the worst one? I don't like that because, you know, I went I got my masters in broadcasting. Like this is what I've always wanted to do. And it's just like, no, I'm sorry.

I made like a sort of a business and career out of it. Like, do you get defensive? Yeah, I get it. I feel that sometimes too. My least favorite one. And it's, it's kind of equates to like in a dating situation when someone says I used to like you

but you've changed and now I'm going to unfollow you that to me is the worst I used to have your validation it's like you break up with someone and you're just like you've changed and you're just like i the only thing that's changed is my feelings for you you know yeah so why does it gets to you because you feel like you haven't

changed yeah i don't know it's kind of like that when someone when you're you're friends with someone you're like everyone thinks this about you you know it's kind of like this just vague thing you know they're making up you know they're just saying it because know, it's kind of like this just vague thing, you know, they're making up, you know, they're just saying it because they know it's going to bug you. And it does. And they're like, you won. I don't, that's what it, what bugs me about it, where it's just like, well, I, yeah, and it's like, well, I haven't, you know, I had that conversation, like the same way you have that conversation with your head. It was like, well, I have this degree and I'm doing X, Y, and Z. And I'm really proud of the, the hustle I've done and where I've come.

I'm like, well, I mean, I really haven't changed, you know, like my, if I, I'm not going to, but if I gave you all the numbers of my family and friends, they'd be like, you know, he's pretty much the same guys, got some same bad qualities and good qualities, but I get defensive that way. You can't convince them otherwise in a message. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

So everybody stresses before they post a picture. Now we need to ask, what are the reasons? Making sure that the caption fits the picture. Oh, don't talk to me and Nick about captions. We know the power of a caption. It is the most stressful thing. It's a game changer. I think 75% of a post's success is the caption.

Oh, look, everybody agrees. So, do you have a hard time coming up with a creative? Yeah, I mean, like, the one moment that I could think of, I recently studied abroad. So, one picture got a lot of likes because I was out in Rome, and then I post a similar photo, and it, like, dwindled down, and I was like, oh, how sad. I was like, it sad I was like it was

relatively the same post kind of the same maybe it's because they already saw it you know and and that was my other thing like you have to like I worry about like what time of day it is um and then I also worry about like when I was back in Rome like okay if it's 10 p.m here people are waking up back home people are gonna see it see it. It's going to be on their feed. Okay. But then you think, what's it called? Am I posting too much of this or am I not? Yeah.

I don't know. Real world problems. First world problems. I think it's funny that we're all kind of laughing at it, but we all struggle with the same thing. But I think that's what's fascinating because we'll get a lot of questions about people asking us about our experience and what's it like to have X number of followers. And the truth is, is what it sounds like, it's literally the same.

It's all relative. I had this idea. It's like the Jimmy Kimmel mean tweets. Yeah. tweets. Yeah. Only it's, it's kind of funny, but, uh, I haven't, we, we, I had my, uh, uh, producer Rochelle print these off. So I don't know about them too, too much. I've perused over, but I assume we're going to have reactions to them. And I guess the point is, is like, when we, when we all do this, we all read comments about ourselves and reaction that it might not be as direct or opinionated as some of the stuff here but um we have these reactions that we didn't have to before

or when friends are uh are talking and commenting on social media we again we have access to these conversations we never had before and then how we what we do with it i think is just an interesting conversation and things that we should maybe think about in life when it when it comes to dating so or just in life but uh I I went on I was I became aware of reddit when I do my questions with Nick and I started getting questions that's when you became aware of I heard about it through you guys there used to be this thing called bachelorfan.net yeah yeah I looked at that and when you get off the show before like your people who got off before would be like hey dude there's this

there's this website and they're talking about us already and they are they know a bunch of stuff and they're like if you want your self esteem to stay intact do not look at it or at first bachelorfan.net you would have your fan group so then that was again dangerous because you'd go on this page and you'd have these conversations about you.

If you were good, you'd look and you're like, it's probably just 12 ladies who are just talking all over. And so that turned it and Reddit became a thing with this platform. And no, I didn't. For that reason, again, not looking at my analytics, not reading. There's things I try to do to have a healthier life. And so I stayed off it until I started a business. And then I became aware of Reddit when I did questions with Nick. People were asking me, do you go on Reddit?

Apparently, there is this person on Reddit that some other people on Reddit think I am that person. Oh, it was Scout. I have a friend named Rumor who has a sister named Scout. They're like, are you Scout? I'm like, what do you mean? I'm my Scout. I know a Scout.

Because Scout's a unique name. I'm not that person. But I was, so I was just, I became curious about it. And when I started my business, Habits through my website you get analytics about where you get traffic and I was getting traffic from Reddit so there was a link right there and it just said Reddit and I was just like

fuck it and I clicked it and I went on and you know I was actually I had it was better than I thought because I just assumed the absolute worst and then I you know it's a dark hole. It's a hole. I'll just it was better than I thought because I just assumed the absolute worst. And then I, you know, it's a dark hole. I'll just look

I'll just peek. I'll just check it out. And then 34 minutes later you're just like, what did you say about me? Really? And it's weird because they passionately will have long conversations. They'll have these discussions and debates.

And they've watched you long enough. And you will get defensive because there's... I kind of equate it to horoscopes. They're somewhat specific but generally vague. So if they say enough, you're like, well, yeah, I guess that's kind of... Yeah, I've done that, okay. And then when they do that, you're like, you know yeah, I guess that's kind of, yeah, I've done that. Okay. And then when they do that, you're like, you know what?

Yeah, that does make me, yeah, that's a bad habit of mine. But like horoscopes, you read a horoscope and you're like, that's totally me. That's totally me. I do that. Yeah, I'm definitely a Gemini. My frustration with it is I'll read it just exactly like you. I'll go long periods of time without reading. I discovered it during Winter Games.

I'll go long periods of time without reading. I discovered it during Winter Games. And I will read it every now and then. But I'll go with long breaks not reading it. And then I'll have these compulsions where I'll read it all the time. And it usually has to do with something that I've put out there. Like it was a really good podcast episode. And I want to see what people thought about it.

Or like our book. I want to see what people are talking about our book. I did that after the first podcast episode. Yeah so it depends so you know it's dangerous because you're going there to see what people think you're in there for validation yeah that is not the place to to go to uh again because again there's a lot of positive stuff there too but it's it's like it's a trap you know it's like five positive comments. I really like the podcast. I really like the show. Damn, I'm doing right. I'm doing good things. And all out of nowhere, like, that was the most boring episode

I've ever listened to. I want to shoot myself. Well, when it's about that stuff, then it's just like black and white. I think what's really annoying or frustrating for me is when they'll talk about a certain situation and they didn't know the, they think they know the whole situation, but they only knew very small components of it,

not the entire... But it's funny because you have a reaction as if you're arguing to your friend about it, defending yourself. Oh, yeah. And then I'll be like, Lauren, Jared, this is what they said. It's like, they don't know.

They don't know this. It's ridiculous. Okay, let's move on. I'm going to... So, should we read these? Yeah, we'll read some of them. Do you have them? No. Oh, whoops. I was supposed to bring that on stage.

Here, I'm going to read Ashley's. She's going to read some of mine. Okay, this is fun. It was more like, yeah, I guess... Do you want to go first? Some of them are just straight funny. Some of them are like reading mean tweets with Jimmy Kimmel. Like this one,

Nick Viall is the Walmart version of Ryan Reynolds. Which I take as a compliment. Which is like definitely not bad. Like that is a compliment. A once-time sexiest man alive combined with a iconic American brand at a great value. And married

to Blake Lively, you know? I'll take it. We get it, Ashley. You're engaged. Yeah, I know. I guess that was right off the bat. Did that bug you, though, when people were annoyed by your excitement for your life?

No, that one doesn't get to me. It's like, I mean, come on, guys. I went 29 years without having a boyfriend. Let me celebrate this. It's like, I mean, come on guys. I went 29 years without having a boyfriend. Let me celebrate this. This one goes, Nick literally went on four separate TV shows looking for a wife and he's still single. It's like, okay, that's a fact.

Yeah. That's a true story. Moving on. In fact, it could sound a lot worse. You know? Yeah, it could be worse. Actually, I feel like you're going to... You got on four shows.

I feel like you're going to like this one. Ashley and Jared look like the lead actors in a vampire romance film. Yeah, that's a total compliment. Like, thank you. The Cullens were supposed to be stunning. That was a thing. That's how they got to eat people, because they lured them in. That is the best, though.

When someone's trying to criticize you, and they accidentally compliment you, and Ashley's like, you know what? Thank you. Thank you, thank you. That makes me feel good. Because I always thought I was a wolf. I know you didn't want that to happen.

Yeah. I thought you'd like that one. Yeah, I did like it. Okay, so it's so annoying to realize that I would 100% date Nick and 100% hate every second of it. But she'd still want to date you. There's two criticisms

and one kind of compliment that first of all, it's like I hate to admit I would date him. Oh, I hate myself for hate to admit I would date him. Oh I hate myself for dating. But I would. However

it would be terrible. There's a lot packed in that one sentence. But it definitely could be worse. You know whatever. What else we got?

If I ever want to go on a diet all I need to do is watch her and jared instagram stories and i'll lose my appetite well you know don't watch him unless you want to get really skinny i gotta say i truly truly loved when you guys dressed up as jasmine and yeah i know thank you jared is a great fiance that. That's probably one that was great. Actually, the truth is about that is, while Jared looks like just the loving fiancé

who will do anything at Ashley's behest, Jared really enjoyed doing that. Maybe not the Aladdin one, but definitely the notebook one. And the Titanic one. Jared absolutely loved doing that. And he was like, no, I don't. Okay, sure. He likes

acting. Yeah. That's what makes Jared Jared. He's wonderful. He likes being cheesy. What do you got? Okay, this one says, God, I love when dumb people who think they're smart try to explain things like the Stanford

prison experiment, which is, I'm assuming a podcast topic of yours? I said it on another podcast. Oh, you did? I've used that as a way to describe what The Bachelor is. Are you guys familiar? I'm not familiar. It was a... Someone on Reddit

is going to be like, this fucker's trying to explain it again. it was a well here someone on reddit is gonna be like this fucker's trying to explain it again um it was uh i've heard mixed things whether it was true or not but it was a a study back in like the 70s or 60s of a stanford professor um who had students basically live in a very controlled atmosphere and played roles they They were inmates and guards, and they took on the roles of their environment and lost their mind. It was like a, you know, they had to shut it down in a couple days because they really got into the role. And that is what is The Bachelors.

You have, you're in a very controlled atmosphere. But, yeah. But what about when people call you dumb? I think on Reddit there's. Which you're absolutely not fine but whatever the interesting comment about that here's the thing about like what what i think about that when i read red reddit is because to make yourself feel better about comments or things like reddit is like well they don't know me they're just i've heard this phrase well there's like, well, they don't know me. They're just, I've heard this phrase, well, there's like mean old fat trolls who like have, you know, they're, they're living at their parents

house. And then you read it and you like will meet people who are, I met there on Reddit and they're like, no, that's damn it. She looks like a really normal person. And you're, you're a lawyer. Okay. You're smart. And. And you're the people on Reddit who have these opinions of me. Awesome. So, like, it's weird. And to hear you, before you were on the show, be a person as a Jonas Brothers fan,

and... But, you know, I did say this at American Idol concerts. So I used to be on American Idol Wrestle Sports all the time Were you mean? Because you're a passionate fan So you had your fan favorites So the people you didn't like When it came to Jonas, it was all about being mean towards the girlfriends

But with American Idol But with American Idol I was just being jealous of the girlfriends And they were probably the most vulnerable All the Jonas Brothers were probably used to it. They start dating a girl, right, who's, like, excited they're dating Joe or Nick. Yeah, Joe. And I guarantee you, here's what happened.

One of their family members of these new girls they're dating are very excited they're dating. And then, like, Aunt Becky. Family at full house. Aunt Becky? Yeah. We talk about that on next week's podcast. Aunt Kelly. Aunt Becky. Family at Full House. Aunt Becky? Yeah. We talk about that on next week's podcast. Aunt Kelly.

Aunt Kelly. And she goes like, hey, there's this blog about this. Are you aware of this, Jonah? It's always like this aunt or cousin. It was always like Taylor Swift.

It was Camila Bell. It was Ashley Green. Like, they were huge people. But family members will reach out to these people and let them know this thing exists. And these girls will go on it.

And all of a sudden, just like we'll start reading about all these things. These fangirls will certainly go out and be like, I don't even like her hair. Oh, my God. She used to look like this. Did she do a glove? And I guarantee you this happens. And I'd feel bad for those girls that you probably were shitting on. I had a lesson here.

Okay. So I was always very jealous of the Jonas Girl friends. Because you said it like, well, I wasn't mean to the Jonas Brothers, but the girls, yeah, whatever. I totally was mean to them. Okay. Besides the point. So, I went on the American Idol message boards. I don't know what I used to say on there, but I know that when I read them back, I'm extremely

embarrassed by my actions. You read them back? Oh, no. Like, I've read old tweets lately. When the Jonas Brothers reunited, I went back and I read old tweets lately when the Jonas Brothers were united. I went back and I read old tweets from a decade ago, and it was cringe central. And normally I laugh at myself. But these American Idol message boards, whatever, I would comment, blah, blah, blah. But then there was a time where I would go backstage, and I'd get to meet them at the meet and greet.

And they were all so much different than TV, and they were so much nicer. And the people that you thought were standoffish were actually the most warm and welcoming. And then I said, I can't comment on people's personalities anymore because when you meet them in person and they're, it's just totally different. You really don't know somebody based on TV.

Yeah, no, but I also think in fairness to the people on it too, is I think sometimes what The bachelor is to the fans of the bachelor and i guess more women than men it's the same thing as people who are sports fans who you know i'll call my buddy who lives in milwaukee and be like man the you know what the packers did they traded them done and we'll it's well for 30 minutes we'll just be talking about a bunch of guys who wear jerseys and what they did on a Sunday night. And it's truly, because I think about it, like, well, why are they talking about this

for 20 minutes and writing blogs? And I'll wonder why, and then I'll call up Jim in Milwaukee and be like, we have got to talk about yesterday's game. And Jared and I would do that all the time. So I guess it is the same. It's just, I guess, weird for me when it's the other way around. And so I guess when you have that experience.

Basically, you really can't judge somebody until you meet them in real life. That's really the moral of the story. Do we have any more fun ones on here? I was waiting for one that was... You want really mean ones, not funny ones? This is one of those off. So it's like... It's just kind of interesting to like hear.

It's my point of it's, it's, it's hard not to, even when I was reading, like you watch Jimmy Kimmel's mean tweets, it's like, you know it, you're reading it. It's just like, ha ha ha ha ha. Like, you know that, that I'm laughing, but like we're hearing it and it's kind of like it, we have reactions, which is kind of like my point to social media and we're all on it and how we try. My point of all this is we should try to just be more mindful of it and try not to have it impact our lives so much. But what do you got?

I didn't hear what you said for the past 15 seconds because I read one that I can't believe that you have approved for me to read. It's number 19. Well, I didn't read all of them. Do you want to read it? Do you want to read it for me? Go ahead. I can always cut it out of the...

Is that the choking on his own? No, it's not the choking one. All right. Here we go. I can't believe somebody would think that January Jones wants anything to do with Nick. January has already publicly rejected Nick once. Nick has nothing to offer her except his small penis

and terrible sex. Rochelle. You made me find more. I had five. I was like, more. He's blushy. I don't even know where to start. How do you get defensive about something like that? She knows that this woman apparently knows that it's terrible sex.

Also, yeah. Oh, my goodness. I have noticed when it comes to opinions about me, it's always one of the two. Either I'm a man whore, so I'm like, well, he must be at least good in bed, but he can't hold a relationship. It's always like, fuck Marie Curie.

Or it's the opposite. Like, well, you know, two girls broke up with him on the TV, so of course he's terrible. Number 23 says, I'm convinced he must be just terrible in bed. Okay. Why are you looking at me?

I didn't write this. No, it's fine. No, I mean, listen, it's both the criticism and praise I even get on my social where it's like I'll post something and a positive comment I get often was like, oh, we love you.

How are you still single? Like, or, dude, what is wrong with you? Why are you still single? So it's either a, it's meant, that's used, my dating life is often, it's used both as a way to compliment or criticize.

When was the last time that you were told that somebody wasn't interested in you anymore? And how did that make you feel? That's a great question. It hasn't happened in a while. That doesn't tell us when the I don't mean it like...

I'm just saying, like, I do think in my day in life, I am more guarded now. So, like, I go... If I go on, say, a first date, I think there's times where, you know, on a first date, it's a lot of good to know, and I feel like there's this kind of this... Without saying, it's like...

That's that one commercial where, like, they're saying the things that they would normally say if they're not polite, where it's like, we'll never see each other again, right? And they're like, yeah, we'll never, but I'm going to tell you I'm going to call you, but we're not. And I feel like I go on dates where I feel like there's this like, it was a great time. Yeah, let's do this again. And I feel like there's this mutual like,, that was nice knowing you. Um, so there's that on first dates. Um, and then again, I feel like I'm guarded where I don't, you know, when I, sometimes I question about what, you know, ultimately I don't think I just have met that person, but if I try to be self-reflective on my dating life or my choices, I have a concern about me being a little too guarded or not

opening up. So I'll kind of be like yeah no no and so I haven't let it get to that point guarded or being picky I don't know to be honest I uh I mean I have people like to say well I'm too picky and I don't necessarily like I never like that either because I got the pretentious but so much but like do you try to find flaws when there isn't I mean I truly feel like the whole picky thing it's just like you just haven't found your person yet yeah because I don't like I've met a lot of great women uh with you know just if you meet them you're like by all they're great you know like beautiful and smart and intelligent and I just for whatever reason i'm not excited or

you know and so there's just that and i wonder sometimes if i'm subconsciously finding reasons not to be excited about and i'm not like picking apart like oh i'm not going to go there again because there's i don't like this about her it's just more you know sometimes i think out there in the dating world it's paralysis of choice it's like we've we're trying too hard to find that perfect person we now have this abundance of options dating apps we all we all's like we're trying too hard to find that perfect person. We now have this abundance of options. Dating apps, we all do it. We're matching with three to four people at a time, and then we're having three or four conversations, and everyone's matching, and no one's actually getting together. And if they do, you don't really know if they're the only people getting together. And if you have a pretty nice, good time, you're like you're like well that was good but i'm going out with ron tomorrow you know kind of thing so i think we're all kind of

not ready to like we're all kind of weighing our options a lot more than we did in the past and i think in the past you'd meet someone you'd be attracted you have a great day you'd be like well yeah let's let's see it through and i think a lot of times we're all doing that and i know i do that a lot too yeah i. I feel like sometimes though, when people say that, you know, Oh, you're too picky.

It's just like, well, I'm sorry. I just don't fall easily. Like, unless I feel something really intense, then I, people like to think that,

Oh, give them chance after chance, every chance. But it's like, and it's not there. It doesn't mean that I'm like picky. Cause like the right person, I'm going to love them for all their flaws. I'll be attracted to their flaws even. It doesn't mean that I'm picky because the right person,

I'm going to love them for all their flaws. I'll be attracted to their flaws even. Yeah, I mean that's ultimately my hope in my dating life, and I will say that I feel like the type of person I want to be with, I've met and I've had them in my life at periods of times, timing. So what I'm saying is I've met that person or that type of person that i is to have the connection i know i want with someone um it just didn't work out or timing wasn't right and so um i guess that kind of keeps me kind of focused on what i want in life and i don't worry about being too picky okay so i got one more question in this like grilling

session of you sorry um but do you believe in timing? Because there's, like, two different theories on this. One, if you're supposed to be with that person, the timing, it doesn't have to be right. You're just going to be with them no matter what. And, like, they should be able to give you everything even if they, like, didn't expect that at that time. if they like didn't expect that at that time or the other theory on on timing is that you know it truly is like in sex in the city they have the light that go up um so they say if the light's on then the guy is ready for marriage and like the next person that he dates seriously will be his one um but it's like oh it's lights off. That means he's not going to be available to anyone.

I think there's truths to both. I think sometimes timing could be a personal thing about an individual if they're not in the right headspace. I think timing, like you and Jared is all about timing. It was really truly about timing. It's a timing thing.

And it wasn't just a timing thing. Sometimes it was realizing what you might have. It's a lot of variables that went into it. But timing was a component of it. And I think certain people in their life, they could be going through something. And it might not even be like, well, I'm just not ready to have a girlfriend or a boyfriend. They just might be dealing with some shit. And they're not their best self or

two people can meet at 23 and just have some maturing to do and they might be a better fit at 28. So if a guy is like, you know, I'm sorry, it's just a really bad time at work. I'm really busy. I'm focusing on this new career. Is that a legitimate

excuse or is that he's just not that into you? Why can't it be both? I mean, sometimes... What do you guys think? Yeah. It doesn't matter? No, I totally agree.

That's what I'm saying. It doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't, I totally agree with our audience member in front is that I get together a lot of questions. Yes, he doesn't like you.

Either way, it's not going to happen right now. Either way, you don't get him right now. Yeah, yeah. We don't always need a valid... That's totally right. We don't always need a valid reason, right? We don't, you know, we always try to be like,

well, does he mean what he say? Is it a line? I got a lot of questions about that today. Is it a valid... You're like, oh, is it just a line? Well, does he really not want he doesn't like you i know that and he like and that's and i at one point we're supposed and trying to figure out the reasons i mean so nick's not always

right but but i am the exception to the rule if we're gonna go by uh he um he's just not that into you at the movie. And he, well, and then Jared, I mean, we talked about this. It wasn't until the classic sale and not like, I know Jared, like, can get defensive. But Jared, it's not like he wasn't into you then and you needed to move on for Jared to kind of appreciate that. He was more confused than he was leading on to pretty much everybody around him. What do you mean? Like, he was, he had feelings.

He just wasn't sure. I was so different than everything that he imagined, and he wasn't completely there yet. So he didn't acknowledge any inkling of feelings to a lot of the people around him. But they were always in there. You don't think it had anything to do with you finally kind of— Oh, no, of course. You kind of accepted the reality

that Jared and you weren't going to be together. Yeah, but that pushed him to accept his feelings and move forward with them. And that happens, and that's okay sometimes. Sometimes we do need to... It's not a bad thing. That happens a lot, and there's nothing wrong with sometimes you realize

what you had all along. Is it weird we're talking about you with you sitting there? Hello. It's a little weird. Yeah, but no, Nick is absolutely right. Some people need a kick in the ass, and I certainly did, and

still do continuously every day, as my beautiful fiance does. And I love kicking him in the ass. But it does actually, it's kind of funny, Nick, you tapped on a subject that I've always talked about with comments on Instagram and validation and kind of creating your persona about what people think about you. And I do completely agree with you that positive comments can sometimes be worse than negative comments. Because I think from my own experience from being on The Bachelorette kind of getting thrown into it not really knowing what I was doing and then again on Bachelor in Paradise with you Ashley our first season I did get a lot of praise and a lot of positivity out of that and people making assumptions

that I was the nicest guy and that oh my god you're so sweet and you're ready for marriage and and you have everything together when the truth was was, I really didn't. And I was far more confused and unprepared than I could possibly ever imagine. And then I tried living up to those expectations of being the nicest guy and trying to, okay, well, no, I do know what I want and I'm not confused and I can't make decisions like that. And I think that hurt me in a lot of different areas. And I think it honestly hurt our relationship for a very long time until it came to a point where, uh, you obviously were dating someone else. And I realized how much, excuse my language, I was a fucking idiot and, and, and, and basing so many decisions on, on what other people were thinking of me. And then, so, I don't know.

Just figured I'd chime in. Do you remember the first time, like, you know, because you got, when it was on Bachelor in Paradise, when it was kind of like the last time, when I was on it, and you got a little bit of heat that season for the first time, I think, ever, of like, were you leading, you know, like, both a little bit.

And it was interesting. Do you remember that? It was a very tiny bit, but yeah. But before that, Jared literally got none. And so it was your reaction to that was, I remember you were. It was fiery. Fiery. Well, I also think because in my head I was trying to do the best I could.

And the best I could was not leading Ashley on in any way. I just mean just the reactions in general. the best I could and what I would, the best I could was not leading Ashley on in any way. I don't, I just mean this, the reactions in general, that's the fact that people for the first time had something other than you're the sweetest guy ever. And that, what was that experience like to like not get the,

cause that was kind of like, like I said, my premise of it's the positive comments that will lead you down a path to, if you ever get a negative comment to like, because my point I was saying is if you believe the negative's the positive comments that will lead you down a path to, if you ever get a negative comment to like, because my point I was saying is if you believe the negative of the positive, you have to believe the negative. If you believe all the positive things that who people don't know about you and they don't really know you and you believe all the compliments of you're the greatest or you're the sweetest or blah, blah, blah. And you're like, yep, yep, yep,

yep, yep, yep. And then all of a sudden out of nowhere, the negative comes. Your subconscious has to believe the negative. Like it won't let you not because you've done, you've all these other comments you've believed. And so that's my point of like, I sometimes feel very grateful that my experience when it comes outside opinions at first was more negative than positive. So that helped me have some perspective when I got praised. Yeah, it's interesting for me because I, with you, I didn't believe the positive comments. And I think that was always a battle in my head because if I'm being honest, there's a big part of me that is an insecure man. And as one of my good friends and my fiance, you guys can know that sometimes I do get

defensive because I do believe some things that are said badly about me. And so I think with the good comments, I was always striving to be that person. Okay. You know, and then so when the bad comments started coming, I was believing them far more than I ever believed positive comments. That's interesting. I do remember, though, I was hanging out with Jared a a lot when when ashley was not dating when when he was what's his name kevin

and like they were just friends and so like i was just assuming they're friends and i was like oh so it's you know ashley's uh she's dating so-and-so and you'd be like yeah i'd be like easy buddy like but you thought you weren't picking up on his annoyance and you i was at first but i was out of nowhere i just didn't think they were i you know because at that point you guys were just friends it's been three years i was like whoa okay guess i won't bring it up anyways um so anyways i just thought you know i just wanted to talk about social media i thought that you know we it affects our lives and i you know, I just wanted to talk about social media. I thought that, you know, it affects our lives. And I, you know, so thanks, Ashley, for sharing that with me.

I figure now we'll bring it. There's one comment here that is about you and I. And it's they need to go back to their real jobs. Yeah, so that's the kind of, those are the ones that really, really hit me. But it was about us together. I wanted to be my dream job. So, sorry, not going back anywhere. But anyways, I thought maybe we'd open some questions up to the audience.

I'll read Ashley's. Ashley's question is, how do you deal with someone who just can't get over it? Over it? Yeah. Do you just stop talking or let them off slow? So, you don't like someone no why don't you just come up come up here no come on ashley you can sit here sit here sit here um all right so what's the situation no um so i was outside with my friend mel

and i was just like what question should i ask him i'm actually married been married for four years so there really wasn't like a question but i was like let me think back to like single day ashley so what's the imaginary situation so like when someone says like let's say like you really don't want to talk to them anymore and you're just like oh okay do you just like let them go like sorry it didn't work out like let's call it quits yeah you want to do should you okay don't ghost anyone i'm so sorry you're so nice but it just didn't work like do you let them off nicely or do you just like cut it it's better it's better to cut it because they'll get over it faster if you ghost them they, they're always going to wonder what if

and if there was anything they did wrong. Even though it seems harsher in the moment to tell them straight up, in the long run, their feelings are going to linger less because of you being up front. When you guys, what do you guys think about ghosting? I personally think people ghost for themselves. They don't ghost. I don't think when they say that, well, I don't want to be mean.

No, you're just, you're being a puss. And you don't want to, you don't know how to deal with an awkward situation. So you don't. And it's not for their sake. It's for your own. When people say things like, I don't, I feel bad. No, you don't feel bad. No, I felt horrible.

What do you mean? But you feel bad. I felt horrible. What do you mean? But you feel... I felt so much guilt. I hated going on dates because there was... What about ghosting people? But your opinion is to be direct, right? So you feel bad, but the people who have an excuse, like, I don't

want to be honest because I feel bad, so I just won't say anything at all. You're not taking their feelings at all. You're not taking their feelings into consideration. You're only taking your own. And so that's what I think about ghosting. Yeah, so I totally agree with Ashley. You should just let them know. I think people

do it all the time too. It's hard because you sometimes don't want to be a jerk about it. I think guys will do this more than women. It's just like I had a guy today ask a question on questions. I like this girl. I'm dating her.

I don't like her enough to date her, but I want to keep looking up with her. And I appreciate his question, but I think sometimes guys will sometimes... I won't really tell her, so I'll just keep talking to her. And then I think guys will get in this bad habit of leading people on where they'll do misleading things, and they'll take them out,

and they'll say nice things and complimenting them. And people are constantly, well, does he like me? Does he not like me? We hook up, but he doesn't really like them at all. And so I think people should just be up front. And if you are up front, you can do that. We're going to say, listen, I only want to hook up. And you give them an opportunity to say that too.

I don't like you enough to date you, but I do like your stuff enough to hook up with you. Your stuff enough? I don't know. I didn't want to say body, face. You can probably go back down if you want. Give it up for Ashley. If you tell any girl that, though,

up front, she's not going to do anything with you, date you or sleep with you or anything. What do you mean? If you were to be up front with a girl and say, hey, I'm really just interested in hooking up, I don't know how many girls

are going to be like, well, I think a lot of girls are going to be like, okay, well, maybe if I hook up with him enough and I show enough of my personality, then i could lead into dating him one day because he'll get to know me more you yeah is that is that what we all think yeah that's what we all think so if a guy i'm asking a question if i if if a guy you know you're dating someone he's like listen i think you're great i uh either I don't want a relationship, but

I just want to be up front. I think you're beautiful. I feel like we're jiving, but if we hook up tonight, it is just a hookup. It's another way in. It's another way for us to get in. We're like, okay, right now that is totally fine. So when you say it's totally fine,

you think we're going to change? Yeah, we definitely think we're going to weasel our way into your hearts. So you guys should stop doing that. You should definitely. It has worked. It can work. it can work can work i'm not saying it can't work but i think more often than not it is a really risky option to do i think if it got in this i would argue that in the situation that it works ultimately he was going to like you anyways but to get to that point there was probably a lot of confusion and wondering what he thought. Meanwhile, you're physical with him,

you're feeling emotions and things like that, which led to a lot of confusion. Ultimately, he finally came around great, but you probably could have accomplished that by being like, well, if you, that's fine. Thank you for being honest with me, but that's not what I'm into right now. So if you want to keep hanging out, great, but we're not going to hook up. And I would argue that a guy who likes you, who is going to like you would respond a lot better to that.

Yeah. I mean, my ultimate, like, does he like you? Are you ever going to be together? Test is just cut him off. And if he comes begging,

then it's great. Then, then it's, you know, that whole, let him go. And if he comes begging then it's great then then you know that whole let him go and if he comes back it's meant to be type phrase oh well let's get to our question here for so long okay so I'm really just curious like okay

like you guys being bachelor alums how the dating life is and like how, how it is to navigate it. Because I can imagine, like, if you go on Bumble, for example, like, I'm sure, like, every person who sees you is probably, like, oh, my God, this is Nick from The Bachelor. Like, I'm going to swipe right, you know? So you get a ton of matches. And then, like, how do you know, like, when people aren't, like, you know, just dating you just to talk to you? I haven't done a sponsored post for Bumble like some of my peers have.

I did Hinge. That's a great question. Thank you for asking it. I am on a dating app. It is not one of those. It's a dating app. Yeah, sure. I'm on it.

We all know what dating is. I'm only on it because for that Yeah, sure. I'm on it. I'll know what to bring. And there's a, I'm only on it because for that reason I feel a little safer on. And it's, it's, it's called,

it's called a ride. For famous people. It's not, it's not necessarily for that, but they, there's a level of, There are a lot of

rainbows on it. Yeah. There's a lot of non, It's more like rainbows on it. There's a lot of non... It's more like entertainment industry people. Yeah. Minus that, there's a level that you can't screenshot. You can't do any of that stuff. And there are people in that dating app.

There's a level of... Again, it's more people on there are people i've never heard of right there's the occasion of like oh okay um but it's mostly not but a lot of those people are in that industry or have met people who work with people and that does make me feel safer um i have gone on and i so i'm not in those dating apps, but I have gone out in the street or whatever, meet people, and I'll meet a girl, and I'll find her attractive, and I'll want to go out with her. And in my experience, it has made it harder to go on dates

with someone who can't relate to the experiences I've had. And if it is a fan, you know So, I mean I'm thinking okay. Well, I've I've asked you out, you know, I think you're very attractive I want to get to know you and it will happen a lot where I know she knows right? I know she's seen the show I can Dollars a doughnut. She's a fan. And so I won't ever bring it up if I'm on a date I don't talk about it. I don't bring it up i assume it's going to get to that point but i never bring it up ever i i just i kind of try to avoid it um sometimes too much and either it just will come up in conversation if they've truly never seen the show

or they maybe they heard and they don't watch it and they're like hey well yeah i know you're on it so like and sometimes they just blow it over and but the fan or the person who can't relate to the experience sometimes there's a lot of they're they're trying not to bring it up and i can sense that or they will even say things like well i know you're on it but i don't care you know it's great but then they'll like make a lot of i don't watch it and then they'll like but they'll start like telling me a lot about myself and And I'm like, wait, but you didn't watch it. And I appreciate where they're coming from, because I know their motivation is to not act like a fan and try to relate.

But that immediately makes me feel unsafe. Because when someone, whether it's with good intention, is lying to you about how they might know you or not know you, that makes me feel uncomfortable. So sometimes that creates awareness and sometimes I will feel like it just feels kind of weird. So that has made it difficult in the dating world to meet someone who I'm interested in

and they might have a hard time relating to these very unique experiences that I've had. You had, I quit. Yes. We're talking about like if you like let it go and it comes back to you I wrote this down

on the little cards that we like gave to you but like okay so my thing is I just like got dumped like about a year ago or so and we're all like

in the same group of friends and recently he's like started flirting with me again and so like my question is like with that like is so like my question is like with that like is that like it seems to be okay so i live in a house of eight girls holy moly yeah my roommate is here she's the one who brought me to this love you and then uh he lives in a house of 10 guys so we kind of all like hang out to get yeah yeah it's it's it's great we have so many friends for movie nights um but so

he's still like we're not we can't really get away from one another i guess because we're all friends together and so he's still like flirting with me from time to time or he's just an a-hole to me um which is or he's bleeding you on aka he's being an asshole or he actually is straight up he's just straight up an asshole who broke up with who? he broke up with her he dumped me hard and fast after I was like okay

things are weird but we can work it out and then like a couple days later he's like actually no I don't want to do this was there another girl in the picture? no! you sure? yeah she's like actually no I don't want to do that. Was there another girl in the picture? No. You sure? Yeah.

She's like I stalked him. I mean it's hard to do when you have so many mutual friends. So what's your question? Is he coming back or not? What should I do about that? Just keep playing hard to get. I know that's like... What do you want? She definitely still likes him.

Loves him, likes him. What do you still actually like about him? Like, if you were to make a list of pros and cons, including how he broke up with you and how he's been since the breakup, what do you actually like about him? Other than you can't have them okay yeah so i think there is partially a motivation because like it's like engagement season and like everyone around us

it's okay keep going yeah it seems like everyone around us is like getting getting married we have like uh outside in our like like, extended group of friends, there's, like, three different couples that just announced they're getting married. Okay. And, like, other people who have started dating. And it seems to be, like, everyone's pairing off, and we're kind of looking at each other like, well, I guess it's you and me. But beyond that, you're looking at me like, okay.

No, but. Look at me. Look at me. Okay. no but look at me look at me okay no but we're we're like we um we just vibe really heavy i don't know it's like we start talking to one another and get to this point where it has been like hours for us to um what are you hand motioning at me they're magnets oh that's how jared i have your answer. He is... That was exactly how people used to describe us, too, though, as magnets.

No matter how many times the circumstances would be so just not good for us to be together, we would always find our way back to each other. So I don't know. I mean, and we went through a lot of ebb and flows. I don't, I wouldn't rule them out. I'm just saying I'm not ruling them out. So one option is, Ashley's the exception, not the rule. I am the exception, not the rule.

I understand that. So most likely, that could happen, but most likely what is happening is you have close friends. He knows he has the power, whether consciously or subconsciously, he has the power in this relationship, and it's still a relationship even though you're close friends. He knows he has the power, whether consciously or subconsciously. He has the power in this relationship, and it's still a relationship even though you're not dating.

And he is either subconsciously or consciously taking advantage of that. And when he flirts with you, it's because he's afraid that you've lost interest in him, even if he doesn't want to be with you. When he spends time with you, he's probably bored, and he's definitely he spends time with you, he's probably bored.

And he's definitely hung out with other women. He's probably bored when he spends time with her? Often, yes. I am sorry. Not if they're magnets and they can spend hours just engaging in conversation. We don't know. It sounds like it.

You did date. What am I missing here? What is that? Okay, you have to use the mic. The thing you're missing is we mutually found out about him still being interested in her through his roommates. Well, then he's not a good communicator. So the roommates have confirmed that there is interest together. Yeah, so the roommates have pulled me aside

and been like, so do you think she'd go for me? How old are you guys? No, I don't think he means... I hope he doesn't mean that in a condescending way. Only a quick question. How old are you? It doesn't matter whether you're 30. This is stuff that we all go...

We talk about this stuff all the time. I'm just asking for a reference. How old? I mean, all I'm saying is sometimes... When people break up, they break up for a reference how old. All I'm saying is when people break up, they break up for a reason. And when they get back together Just 24, Nick. Cut her some slack. It's fine.

Say hi to Demi, everyone. I do think when we go back to our exes, there's a level of boredom. We broke up, whether there was an issue in the relationship, and sometimes people break up because they want to find out if they can find something better. They do, like a subconscious. And if they come back, you guys broke up for a reason.

And I think it is much harder for you to get over him because you share all the same friends. I went through that once with a girlfriend. I broke with her she was best friends with my friends and even though we broke up it took like almost another year to really break up because we hung out so often and there was the occasional hookup and just like you and your your ex and ashley and jared i in when we were together it was awesome and fun. And there was a natural chemistry. And she would always say, like, well, why aren't we together? We have so much fun. Well, my response to her at the time was, listen, we didn't break up because it wasn't how much fun we had when it was great.

It was how bad it was when it was bad. Because we couldn't communicate. Because I wasn't my best self. It had nothing to do with how great I thought she was or my attraction to her. And so I just think you're in a tough situation. You have a harder time getting out. And because you have a natural chemistry with him, it makes it more confusing.

But he broke up with you for a reason. And if he really wanted to be with you, he would give you the time that you should think you deserve. And you should have greater expectation of yourself and for him and not constantly wonder how he feels about you. And my last word? And if he comes around, great. But you should have greater expectation of yourself and for him and not constantly wonder how he feels about you. And my last word? And if he comes around, great, but you should move on first. Oh, no.

The last thing I'm going to say is that I think that we can give advice up the wazoo, but each individual situation is individual and unique, and you never know how it's going to turn out. It's possible, but until... Listen, but but fine but the same thing with like all the thing if if i think you should assume that he's not your person and if he really wants to be with you i think he needs to at this point because he knows he has all the power and he is so used to'm assuming, having you in his life whenever he decides he wants to. And it might not necessarily even be his fault because you have given him this power. And at some point, you have to take some of that power back and make him realize that he can't have you whenever he wants.

And to do that, you truly have to let him go and move on. And maybe he might realize, but most likely, you may not care then. And now my last last word. I will say that if you do truly move on is when you really know

where he stands. Okay. Give it up. Now we're going to move on. Any more of these types of questions and we'll open up to your this gentleman

in the front row had a great question you did you did Nick loves hearing from his male fans right Nick

yeah we call them the 10 percenters yeah okay my question was since dating girls clearly isn't fans, right, Nick? Yeah, we call them the 10 percenters. Yeah. Okay, my question was, since dating girls clearly isn't working, would you ever play for the other team?

Hey, listen, love wins. I'm open to anything at this point. I appreciate the question. I'm not there yet. I am very attracted to the opposite sex. I've had, you know, my... Are you blushing?

I have a very... When it comes to my dating life, I mean, for all the jokes I make about it and kind of I lean into that character on my social, like, I'm happy with my dating life and I'm optimistic about my dating life. And even though sometimes it can get discouraging, I'm still very optimistic about, you know,

finding that person. And, you know, I make a little bit more of a big deal about my day in life than it, than as is. Yeah. It's your brand.

Sure. Yeah. Any other, whatever questions. Come on down. Give her a round of applause. What's your name? Since you're up here, say hi to everybody.

Hi, everyone. My name's Veronica. I spilled my beer, guys. Oh, no, did I? No, no, no. You did it. I did. I just want to make sure that it's not too sloppy.

Sorry about that. Okay. Also, fun fact, you both were my first Bachelor crushes because you were my first season with Andy. Awesome. And then with Chris. Oh, my gosh. And so I love both of you.

So this is very funny. Thank you. That's so nice. So would you all rather have a question more you related or more personal related? It's up to you. It's your time. I mean, I don't, questions about myself aren't fun for me, but I'll. Oh.

Well, no, but it's always like, are you and vanessa break up it's like oh okay no i thought you meant you didn't like talking about yourself oh i mean um no whatever you want okay uh so still dealing with the recent breakup and was wondering what your tips are for moving on and in a way of like self-love and caring about yourself and finding happiness

in yourself and not in a way of like moving on to another person or anything like that. Oh, how, when you say recently, how recent?

Probably eight months at this point. Who broke up with who? He broke up with me. Okay. These are important questions. Yeah, no. And how, like you were bound

you know okay yes would do or have you moved on from accepting that he's not your person or do you sometimes wish you were with him i think for a long time i was still like maybe we'll get back together in the future like i think it took me like six months to really realize like okay i think it's officially over at this point so i but like yeah there's still the feelings of i still love him like i wish it still worked out but obviously nothing's changed when you think about the relationship in the past are do you were you unhappy with things even though he ended it no relationship was super healthy like we were very happy together everything was good like up until the breakup okay i'm sorry it was okay thank you uh what uh and then what is he doing now so we were doing long distance um so he's still on the other side

of the country so broke up for that reason no it actually had nothing to do with distance was there another girl no i i worried about that too, but no, there wasn't. He was a very faithful person. He is still. He's a good person. Okay. Well, I mean, listen, breakups can be tough. I mean, yours, it sounds like, do you know why you broke up?

Can you share? In like a nice way, he was going through like a quarter life crisis. It's a real thing. Yeah, yeah, no. I think the quarter life crisis is more real than the quarter life crisis. It's a real thing. Yeah, yeah, no. I think the quarter life crisis is more real than the midlife crisis. Yeah, no, just like he didn't know what he was doing. Like I was kind of. How old are you?

23. 23? I forgot for a second, sorry. Quarter life crisis is a real thing. I had a quarter life crisis. My advice to you is enjoy it a enjoy it i mean i think sometimes again we in life we are so focused on what we don't have we for we have a hard time being present uh single can be fun so enjoy being alone it's a real great and i didn't get to that

point in my life until i was like 29 to really be comfortable with being by myself. And that's a really great moment in your life when you get to that point. And then you're just, you're a more honest version of yourself. And you're really in a better place to really, I think, find your person. Because I think, at least for me, when I was younger, I was codependent on my girlfriends when whoever they were. And I went from being this teenager to falling in love when I was 18, and then I always had a girlfriend through my 20s. And I didn't know how to be alone,

and that really kind of affected who I was. And so now that you're single, I would enjoy it and have fun and be thankful where you're at, and I think things will definitely work out for you. I mean, it's basically what he said. I think once you are so happy by yourself and like, I don't need no man, that sounds so cliche.

But seriously, when you have that feeling that like a relationship would be like fun, but like not something you need and you just, you know, do what you love. You work hard. You hang out with your friends. You make yourself feel pretty. That's when the guy comes around. Yeah, that makes sense. I appreciate it.

Awesome. Yeah. Well, thanks for coming up. Yeah, thank you. Any other questions out there? You don't have to come up if you don't want to. So I'm in kind of a weird situation. I have been with my boyfriend for three years,

and we live together, and we have a dog, and I love him, but he does not want to talk about getting engaged. We talk about being married. We talk about kids. We talk about the future. We both have great jobs, and any time I mention getting engaged,

he's like, I don't want to talk about it the more you ask the longer it's gonna take so but maybe he's just trying to throw you off like maybe he just doesn't want you to know when it's gonna happen I don't I don't think so okay and like we're old and when we first started dating he's like by the time I'm 30, I want to be married. And now he's 30. So I don't know what to do. It's a tough situation. You've been dating for how long?

Three years. We've lived together for two. How old are you? I'm 27. I'm almost 28. Listen, I'm a big believer, and it's when I get a lot of dating questions, I think people really, and I learned this in business too, people will always find a way to tell you how they really feel,

even when they're not saying it directly. It's just in life. They'll be like, oh, it's fine. I don't care about that. And then they'll find other ways to get to the point. And so when he's just like fine to talk about marriage and kids, he can do that all day long because you have to get engaged before that happens. Right. So that's this whole the fact that he'll talk about marriage and he'll talk about kids is kind of irrelevant because he can do that freely because he knows he has to get engaged first. And so I think you also sorry.

We also like bought a house together, too too so that's like a little bit more that's really like permanent yeah like every everything is like they're just not not listen i don't know the i don't i don't have a specific answer for you but i think you just have to decide whether you know there's nothing wrong with a long engagement right's nothing wrong, you're not that old, you're still young I feel it we always feel it though, I always say this I've said this on every podcast I have

the reason why to everyone in this room has never been this old today we're bigger than all of us here I'm super old but everyone this is the oldest we've ever been so when you're like i feel old we all do because we've never been this old so that's why we always feel old right and so my point of saying that is like don't worry about feeling old you're really young and so if you really care about him and you guys

communicate my advice to you is have an open communication and don't make it feel like he has to pressure you to get engaged it's not cool of him to give you an idle threat to well if you keep asking me then i'll make wait longer but it might become you it might become a situation that is snowballing into something he's not He's clearly not ready to get engaged. That much I know. Yeah, I agree with that. That doesn't necessarily mean he doesn't want to at some point and he doesn't love you, but he's not ready now.

So you need to either decide whether this is what you want and are there underlying issues in the relationship or is he just not ready? And so you need to either figure that out because nagging him and like poking holes is only going to make him defensive and he's going to say things he shouldn't say like you know and it's going to become a chicken before the egg situation um so you need to identify what the problem is he's not ready right now and is it because he doesn't want to ever he doesn't want to

with you and i'm not saying that. Or is he just not ready? And you need to figure that out, especially if it's a priority for you. The house is irrelevant. I'm confused. I'm confused, too. It's a pickle situation. It's a pickle. It's like he's making these other big commitments to her,

but he's just not making the one commitment that he said he would at this point. Right. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. He's like, isn't the house and the dog, isn't that commitment? I know, I have more questions than answers for you. My sister bought a house with her fiance at the time

and they're not together anymore. I mean, it happens. Sometimes we... What? Yeah, yeah. We both have great jobs. These things can happen. But like, why did you...

He's, like, more than I am, but that's not... It's both your names on the... Yeah, his parents... His parents are married. His siblings are married. His siblings all have kids. Have you ever directly asked him why, not now, why are you avoiding him?

I think... I need one. I don't know. I think first, it was like, I want to get to this next step in my career. And then he did. And then it was like, well, now I want to get to the next step. And he did.

And then it was like, I want to get the house. And we did. And then it was, I don't know. See, I told Jared that I... You wanted to get the house or you did? Or you mutually did? We mutually did. Okay.

Yeah. I told Jared that we couldn't live together until we were engaged. Yeah. I feel like, I know you always say like you shouldn't play house and I feel like I'm kind of in that situation where I played house and I don't know if. Yeah. It's like buying the milk with that expression that they used to refer to sex. Why?

Yeah. If you can get it for free. It's like, I guess it's kind of like that, but I just don't understand why he would commit to you in every other way except for... Every one of her friends says, come stay at our house. Take three weeks off without her being cooking, buying groceries.

Every single thing that she does for him, show him what he's missing. Yeah. Show him what he's missing. That's probably the best thing to do. Take three weeks off. I'm going to go to Europe. You come cat sit for three weeks.

Cat sit for three weeks. Let him see no dinner at home. That's what she's got to do. It sounds like there's some underlying issues there. I think we just need to figure out. No, I mean, listen, that's the question. He's not ready to get engaged. That much we know. And I think you need to

figure out and communicate with him about what you want versus what he wants. That was harsh. It's not like that. I do, like, play house where I do the cooking and the cleaning. And that's awesome. He takes care of me. So it's not. He's a good guy.

All it matters is what you want. I'm just thinking about. I just. Not that he's dependent on you. Everyone's got an opinion. Dates, trips. Trust him. he's great. All right.

Well, hopefully that was helpful. I don't know if it was. I'm not worried about you. Listen, I think you should, I think, listen, I think, I appreciate your question. A lot of people ask questions like this.

It happens all the time. And again, the how stuff, and I don't mean to sound harsh, but we do these things sometimes, and then we use these steps as a way to justify our situation. It's great that you bought a house. That's awesome. I'm glad you guys made that commitment together.

He's not ready to get engaged, because if he would, he would ask. And that's okay, and that doesn't mean, but it's bothering you, so you need to figure it out. I'm just concerned that he's not ready to get engaged because he's not sure if she's who he wants to be with forever. Because why wouldn't he feel ready now after three years and after all these commitments? I don't know him.

There's so much about the situation. I don't know. I just don't want her to waste her time, and I definitely want you to see how much he misses you if you just take like a week break. Not a break from your relationship, but like get away. Just do you for a week.

Just not worry about him. Do you for a week, not worry about him and I guarantee you he will be crawling back. I mean, wow, you guys all want her to break up with him, huh?

And then make, make engagement chicken. Okay. Thanks for coming, guys. We're going to wrap up here. I do really sincerely, guys, taking the time to come out. Hopefully you guys had fun. We'll be dropping this episode in a few weeks.

Demi! Demi! Demi! Get Demi up here. Demi! Demi! Demi! Demi, come on. Hey, y'all. Can you believe her hair is real i know tell your friends so rude it's also called the youth that was one of the first things that ashley said to me she said is your hair real and i said yes and she said how rude ding dong the bitch is dead do you guys have any questions for demi hi how are you i feel like we have to wrap i love you we love it demi stan okay i have a question for you what does stan mean it's like super super super fan like soccer fan, somebody who is not just a fan, but like, you know, we're so dramatic in this day and age.

So it's like, I really, really, really am a huge fan. But you know what originated? Or at least... Eminem! Eminem, I know. And I had never, I had no idea that Stan stood for that back when that song came out. But now, of course, everybody knows Stan.

Yeah, Stan. I say it way too much. I'm always like, oh, I Stan. We Stan. Great. Awesome. We'm always like, oh, I stan. We stan. Great. Awesome. We used to stan Nick. I'm just kidding.

I stan. I stan Ashley more. Any more questions for Demi? Hi. Demi, are you dating anybody? No. Not officially. Not officially.

No, I'm having a good time. She's, you know, just taking it easy right now because she's going to paradise. Yeah, we'll see. She can't say. She can't say. I'll say that I will burn that beach to the fucking ground.

There we go. You heard it here first. If she goes, she's going to kill it. All right, well, we're going to wrap it up. For those of you who got the wristband, stick around. For everyone, I do so much appreciate you taking the time and come out. It's been a lot of fun. I hope you enjoyed it.

And maybe we'll do this again soon. And so for those of you, stick around. We'll just hang out. It's been a lot of fun. I hope you enjoyed it. Maybe we'll do this again soon. For those of you who stick around, we'll hang out and do some raffles. Thanks for taking the time on a Sunday night. I know you guys could be doing a lot of other things. Thanks so much, Ashley. Thank you so much for joining Debbie. Thank you so much for having me for the live podcast.

You guys up front, stick around. We'll hang out a little bit. You guys have a safe drive home. Hopefully you have a DD. Let's get drunk and take an Uber home. See you next time. You're crazy.