The Viall Files - E173 The Loser Doesn’t Go Home At Sunset with Nikki Ferrell

Episode Date: September 8, 2020

Nikki Ferrell joins us this week as we discuss the final GOAT episode of this Bachelor summer season, Juan Pablo. As the woman who “won” Juan Pablo’s heart, she had probably one of the most unique experiences on the show and never really had a chance to speak about how she was feeling about how she was treated, what people were saying about her, and how standing by her man was a decision she would not make again. Did he ever say more than I like you throughout the relationship? Does she still have texts saved from their break-up? What is her take on Clare’s upcoming season? And what cast member came back during filming to try to talk her out of staying with Juan Pablo? Nikki is nothing if not completely honest with us, and we could not love it more.  “What girl is like, 'ooh that’s a sexy wink.' No one says that.”  Make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes.  THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: TRUVANI: Text FILES to 64000 to get the full Protein Powder gift pack for just $29.99 ROTHY’S: rothys.com/viall to check out amazing shoes & bags right now  Episode Socials:  @ViallFiles  @nickviall @nikki_ferrell See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

well we are uh coming in hot with the uh bachelor stuff this week yeah this week um get excited two great um interviews i will say they were fun and interesting they were kicking off today with uh one nikki farrell who for those of you who may not know um was the winner of juan pablo season which uh was the goat episode last night and uh there are some compelling characters in bachelor nation that should have been on our screen more often than they were corinne is one of them comes to mind um nikki's another one she was great tv she's honest she is opinionated and um she had a very unique experience with uh being the winner of juan pablo's heart if anyone could be yeah juan pablo is i think the winner of juan pablo's

heart it sounds like after talking to nikki but it uh yeah we we just never really heard nikki's point of view she never did a lot of interviews whether she was allowed to or not. And this has been, she never came back on the show whether it was Paradise after her and Juan Pablo broke up. And so it was great to catch up with Nikki. I'm glad we did. And she delivers her honest assessment

of what happened in the relationship, things from the proposal to AFR and then some thoughts on Claire, which are fascinating. We got into it a little bit. We got into it, so I think you will really enjoy it. Make sure to tune in on tomorrow. Yeah, another one who didn't really get a chance

to tell her story that much. Victoria Fuller, what a lovely conversation. We covered it all, we covered it all. I felt like we really went on a journey through that conversation. Highs, lows, laughs. We cried. We fought.

I'm just kidding. But it was fun. I think you guys will enjoy that. And obviously the Vanessa and Rachel episodes are up now on my Patreon. People, I'm really quite proud of both the Rachel and Vanessa ones. And I wasn't sure how people would feel about the Vanessa,

but because we were so honest about things and how we talked, but people not only seem to really enjoy what we talked about, but even in a way of exes over the years who had some strong opinions about each other, how they were able to have a conversation that was at least productive. Yeah. And she mentioned on the recap, on your Go episode,

that she had just started texting you. So it's kind of cool that you guys get into it a little bit more on your Patreon because there wasn't that much meat on there. So check that out. Yeah. I'm a Patreon. It's worth your time.

I promise. Anything else? Oh, Dancing with anything else oh dancing with the stars dancing with the stars uh cast has been revealed caitlin's got some competition uh one of her competitors is chris shell yes from selling sunset who is scheduled to be our guest next wednesday yep so make sure to tune into that we plan plan on getting all the tea from Cachelle. Yeah. All of it. All of it. If this week's any reflection of the information,

the tea that we deliver on, then I would expect the same from Cachelle. So Caitlin up against that Carol Baskin. Carol Baskin. I don't want Carol to win. No, but I do want her to have a journey to be on for a few weeks. And I want,

I just want to see crazy after crazy after crazy. I want to see the outfits, the songs. I want the producers. I want them to have like behind the scenes, crazy. I want the producers to produce because they're in a bubble, right? Yeah. I'm assuming they're all being quarantined.

I'm curious about the logistics of it all and I'm sure we'll find out from Cashel what that's like, but she, so Carol will be in this bubble. And we've learned from Bachelor producers or producers in general in reality TV is sometimes their best weapon of producing is to simply just fill their cast member with the utmost of confidence in themselves. And then let that confidence,

let them be their most outrageous self. And I very much want Carol to be her most outrageous self with a credible amount of confidence in all that she is. And whatever that is, I would like to see that unfold on TV. I'm also like, bravo to that talent booker. But I hope it's not like one week of Carol. I want to see the journey. I want her to finish top

five or six you wanted to have like a sean spicer kind of i didn't watch that season because he's people voting for him yeah it was kind of it was kind of crazy but because it was the crazy that people kept voting for i i would like that for carol yeah and then at the end i want to find out i want like she finishes a dance fbi comes in arrests her from the murder of her first husband of her first husband dancing with the stars the new host tyra banks cracks it down carol you know how oj assumption wrote that book called if i did it yeah what if carol choreograph choreographs a dance about like little breadcrumbs and clues of like how she like put her husband in a meat grinder and fed it to tigers what if she's too high of the tiger she's gonna definitely dance to eye of the tiger well that that's totally

gonna happen that's a week one dance uh neelly's on. Nelly? Nelly. I like that. I did a lot of dancing and rapping to Nelly in high school. Nelly's going to kill it. You think so? Yeah.

Yeah, it makes sense. I don't know. Yeah. I don't know. Ballroom dancing is different. What's the sports people that are on it? Oh, the sports people are always surprising. They're always surprisingly amazing at dancing because amazing and dancing from an athletic

standpoint agility coordination uh and didn't nelly was in that movie where you that football movie with adam sandler oh yeah yeah and i you know maybe i don't know if he has like an athletic background or anything but and also like yeah he's performing he's a performer he's a performer so he knows how to perform uh who else is on on there oh oh uh jesse matt metcalf fresh off his estranged marriage uh how desperate is that housewife see what i did there yeah you're welcome yeah he was definitely the bad guy in that in that story yeah a bit of a i i know some people who know him in that relationship and he was not the most stand-up guy i wonder how much of of uh what i wonder what his storyline is going to be jesse metcalf

you know caitlin will have a story my guess is caitlin's going to be, Jesse Metcalf. You know, Caitlin will have a story. My guess is Caitlin's going to talk about her music career. Yep. That's a great opportunity for her to promote that. Obviously, Jason will be a part of it, right? Yeah. And this is her dream. She's wanted to do this for so long.

You know, the little plan to that. Being surprised on getting the news. Carol is like, who did it? Did you do it, Carol? Yeah. Did you do it? Is her dance partner scared to be alone in her room with her? Is he afraid? Is he afraid?

Is she going to take him out? Is he a dog guy? You know? I laughed way too hard at that. But it really, it was funny to me. Carol, I'm going to be honest. I'm a dog guy. I'm a dog guy. Don't hurt me. Who hurt me uh who else who else is on it i don't know i don't know i can't remember off the top of my head right now my brain is built it seems like a good cast but yeah

chrishell and tyra that's a new one too tyra you know hey i'm tyra great good for you um listen Hey, Tyra, great. Good for you. Listen, Tom and Aaron for me. I was a little disappointed. I don't know what was wrong with Tom and Aaron, but sure, Tyra. Yeah, great.

I have nothing against Tyra. I'm just a little sad that Tom and Aaron won't be there. Yeah, they won't have the same vibe for sure. But I am fascinated to find out how things are going to logistically work on dancing with the stars yeah with with covid so it'll be fun to talk to chrishell and um also i'm curious to see who pita's partnered with we'll probably try to have her and her partner on here that'd be fun as well and um should be a lot of fun. So tune in for that. A lot of good stuff coming up for you here on the Vile Files. And we'll start with Nikki Ferrell.

Yeah. And enjoy this week. You're welcome. You're welcome. Nikki, how's it going? It's going great. How about you? So good.

Thank you for joining. I wasn't sure who we should have on this episode with juan pablo's episode there's it was a great season a lot of great characters a lot of big names that come out of the franchise and then i thought who would be great is the the woman who won who won the season, who also... Me. Do you really call it winning? I don't know.

Lost one. The one who fell in love. Last woman standing. Okay, okay. The felon-like. And also, you've kind of chosen to not really hang around Bats or Nation or just kind of going back to your your life so i thought it'd be really interesting to catch up and i i feel like a lot of um

bachelor nation people especially the people who enjoyed that season would want to hear from you and and so here we are well yeah thank you for having for having me. What have you been up to, I guess? Let's go start there. What's life like for Nikki? Well, I still live in Kansas City and I am still working at the Children's Hospital as a nurse. And yeah, I'm married. I have a dog. That's pretty much the excitement of my life. Great. How long have you been married for? Oh, I have a'm married. I have a dog. That's pretty much the excitement of my life. Great. How long have you been married for? Oh, I have, I have a cat too. I think she might be upset if I left her out. Definitely don't want to leave her.

Yeah. Like four years, almost four years we've been married. Oh, wow. Cool. Um, yeah. So going back to that season, I feel like there's a lot to cover with Nikki, not only from what happened with that season season but even the things that are going on now because a big part of your time on the show at least what was aired was this kind of relationship or lack thereof with claire who is now maybe the bachelorette or not yeah i mean she's got a promo she's got a promo. She's got a promo. She's got a promo. They're still sticking with that promo. That would be kind of funny if they had Claire's body with Taysha's.

You know how sometimes they make memes and they put people's heads on? It would be kind of weird but kind of funny. Honestly, I mean, I wouldn't put it past the producers. So, you know, it might be coming. Yeah, maybe. Or they'll just shoot a new tasha promo um but yeah so so much of your time obviously uh was the relationship you had with claire or and um and i guess what was that like um did you and claire ever reconcile and by reconcile or did you guys just agree to be like

hey listen we're not going to hang out we don't vibe no hard feelings let's just move on i mean i neither i think obviously we did not like reconcile there you feel like there was never a relationship to reconcile um you know i just i think like, I don't really think about her. I don't really, you know, care. And I think she probably feels the same way about me. Um, you know, I, I don't hate her. I, I just, I just, we are, we're not friends. We are never going to be friends. What was the thing that you guys disagreed on the most in the season? You know, I don't, I don't think there was anything we like disagreed on. We just didn't like each other.

I think that, um, I think her, you know, her not liking me was more so she like saw me as a threat to her relationship and me not liking her as I just, I just didn't like her. Like, like I just, I just didn't like her. I just, I didn't like the way she acted. I just didn't. And I'm not one to, like, fake a friendship with anyone. So I think that that probably bothered her, that I didn't really care about her.

I didn't care about the date she went on. I didn't care about, like, anything, you know, not in a malicious way, just in a, like, I don't. You just didn't go out of your way to feel like you wanted to be warm to her. Right. Yeah. I just. Yeah.

Okay. Well, in that group setting, how many people do you guys usually kind of like really connect with and become friends with? Not like all like 25 people. Some people are more concerned about, you know, being friends with everyone. A lot of it's self-preservation. Again, it's high school, right? So if you're liked by everyone, then you limit the amount of chances

people can talk shit about you. If everyone's talking shit about you, then there's a chance that they may use that to make you seem like the bad guy. It's that it's that simple yeah you know um the house and i've said this before often will determine like who's popular who's the villain or things like that uh for sure how early on did you feel like you were the the the front runner on that season i don't Like, it's like looking back on it. Like,

I just remember that first night I was like, I got out of a limo and like did like the cheesy thing with my stethoscope. And, um, and then I went to the house and I was like, what am I doing? Like, this is, this is insane. Like, this is nuts. Like I'm probably going to go home tonight. Um, I don't know, maybe like, maybe when I got that first group date rose, I think I was really shocked by it. Um, and I think that's when I kind of started to realize, and then especially like when I got that second one, um, that was when, well, everyone started to hate me, but also like, I was kind of just like, Oh, like we're doing this, to hate me but also like i was kind of just like oh like we're doing this like this is happening so um how close with were you friendly or close with charlene while filming i know you guys

like stayed in touch after the show yeah i mean we um we were roommates at the mansion which started off um you know and we are friendly throughout. I think, I mean, I love Charlene. I have so much respect for her. I think she's so intelligent, beautiful. Um, you know, I think, I think there's a lot of, we're under a lot of stress at the house and I think that maybe I didn't handle it the best way for a while. Um, so I think that there was like a little, like a little period of time where she kind of like didn't associate herself with me because she's like, I'm not being dragged down by, you know, that psycho. But, uh, we're still friends now and, uh, I still keep in touch with her every now and then. Because the Juan Pablo season was the first season I watched, right? Because I was going through the casting process. Yeah.

Andy season. So it was like, I should start watching the show to know what the hell I'm getting into. So I watched Juan Pablo season and simultaneously watched Desiree season. Because I went back and bought it. Because I was like, I think I feel like I should watch a Bachelorette season. Because I don't know if that's different than the bachelor type of thing and uh Charlene Charlene got the first impression rose that season and it looked like Juan Pablo was really into her and then Charlene left on her own yeah and there were a lot of people who were just like oh Juan Pablo would have picked might have picked her

did you ever felt like Charlene was a real threat in the sense that like, were you worried about that? Like, were you surprised she left? What was that whole like, what was that whole dynamic like versus maybe what we saw? You know, I wasn't, honestly, I wasn't surprised that she left. I think that, you know, just like I did get to know her a little bit on the show and just like hearing some things that she said and like, you know, the way she kind of described her life. And I think we all just kind of realized like, OK, like this isn't her like endgame. This isn't her for forever. You know, and I even asked him like afterwards, I was like, you know, would you have picked Charlene if she would have stayed?

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and some other people I've talked to, that there was kind of like a point in the season where even the women could almost tell, well, like the women really turned on Juan Pablo like he almost became the villain of your season while filming is that accurate did you feel that way or because you were one of the few like you and Claire might have been different because I've always joked I've always joked like as the bachelor all you're trying to do is like find love while sending everyone else home before they hate you because they just realize that you're not you're not into them

so they're just like fuck this guy you know type of thing yeah um like everything's great until someone gets sent home yeah and but i but i heard with juan pablo it was a little different just because you know well juan Juan Pablo is Juan Pablo. And did you feel that way? Or looking back, did you have a different point of view with the hindsight? Just like because you were getting the attention from Juan Pablo, that would might cause you to not turn on him, so to speak? I mean, I think there was like a point where like i was annoyed with him

like in the way he was acting and um i was very frustrated but i also like at that point i was like i'm in this for like the long haul and so i i was just gonna like get through it and actually like what you didn't see is after, um, after fantasy suites and after Andy had left, she actually came back and they like filmed an entire conversation, um, with us that never aired, obviously. And basically we were, you know, she was saying like, I'm worried about you. Like, I just want to make sure like you're okay. And you're not just like you and Andyy glossing this over yes me and andy okay so she leaves she leaves juan pablo has the kind of infamous breakup and then she comes

in to like give you the hey girl yeah yeah yeah she was like this is why i left like he literally talked about himself all night long you know um which doesn't really surprise me, but, um, and I, but at the time I was like, I liked him, but I thought I would like probably like him more outside of the show. And I thought I saw like this good part in him that, um, other people weren't seeing. And that's what, that's what made me stick around was the hope that like things would be different outside of the show. And we would just like end up having this normal, like great life together. Obviously it's not what happened, but yeah,

I think, I think there was a point where I was concerned, but I'm like, well, well I'm in it now. What am I going to do now? Like, you know,

I'm not going to leave. So I just kind of turned a blind eye to it. I think. Cause you and Andy were probably, well, I know much from her. She told me you guys were like best friends while filming. Yeah, we were very close while filming um you know i just think we kind of just like hit it we just clicked right away and i i'm the kind of person where i don't have like a ton of friends

with the friends i do choose to let in i'm really close with um you know so i mean i love andy i think she's great you guys don still are you guys are you still close yeah we still talk we still talk we're not as we're definitely not as close as we used to be but you know it's it's hard like living on opposite sides of the country pretty much and our lives are so different like you know i like i work 12 13 hour shifts and um sometimes we play phone tag and you know that kind of thing yeah i mean that happens with friends as we get older but you guys are still in touch we'll check in from time oh yeah for sure for sure um so like what the proposal or lack thereof the finale you know again when it

aired i was sitting in my hotel room uh for for about to go on andy season while i was watching it right you know so i very much remember it watching in real time you know i and other than desiree season which was already kind of unique in itself because you know brooks left and yeah like you didn't have comparison and so wow this is wild um what was your thought in the moment obviously you didn't have the luxury of having any idea what happened with him and claire right so like you come in you know you assume he broke up with her right because you know you tell he's picking you i i knew i was good i knew he was picking me like i knew he wasn't picking her i one because i, because I, I knew our, no, but I knew our relationship. And I also know that

the loser doesn't go home at sunset. Like, and also there were like the boat that had drove up, like there were like footprints on the beach and like, you could tell like someone had already been there. And I said, you guys would have, you think you would have like, kind of like, like brush that off. But I, I knew that I was was the last i was going to be the last one there um i didn't know it was going to end up like that but uh that's a good one no one goes home at sunset i love that that's so smart yeah yeah i guess that's the shot yeah um right so you're you go up there you think you're gonna get you you thought you're gonna get get, you thought you were going to get engaged, right? I did.

But like, honestly, I remember sitting in the car, like waiting for like my turn before I got in the boat. And like, I was nervous and excited. And I remember like looking down at my ring finger and I was like, what am I doing? Like, what am I doing? And then I was just like, well, I was like, you know, it doesn't work out. It doesn't work out. So that's it. And like looking back on it.

Yeah. But that's like an interesting take because I've said this a few times. I'll never forget right before Andy showed up at my door on my season to break up with me. I remember thinking, wouldn't it just be easier if she picked josh like and it was only because like am i really about to get engaged to someone like this is nuts and i do remember when andy opened when i opened the door and saw andy for like a half a second i felt relief only to be followed by like what i was very yeah but like just the idea of like this is insane yeah maybe i'm just right like this is nuts um so yeah it sounds like you had that kind of level

headed approach but then you go again back you then you're like back in the bubble with the expectation of like wait everyone else gets proposed to what you know and so as he's like talking was there a moment when you realize like this isn't – were you confused in the moment? Or what was that like? I think, yeah, definitely. You can definitely – when you watch, you can definitely see it on my face. I'm just like, what? I was excited.

And I was told – I think I told like he was going to talk first and then I was going to talk, but like I got up there and he just didn't say anything. He just stared at me and I was like, well, okay, I guess it's my turn. So I think I like said something and then he, you know, he comes back with the, I have a ring in my pocket and I'm not going to use it. And like, I think you can just see my face at that point. I'm like, what, what the hell? Like, why you can just see my face stuff when I'm like, what, what the hell?

Like, why did I just say all that? Why say that? He's like, why bother with, I don't know. I don't know. I think he just,

he wanted me to know, like, like they made him pick out a ring or something like, yeah, but he wasn't going to use it. You're a good girl. And I think he wanted ring. No,

I think actually, I think exactly. Well, interestingly enough, I actually think Nikki makes a good point. And what I've heard this, it was just, it was, I mean, I'm kind of weirdly, it wasn't as almost as sexist as you guys are implying, I think, because I've heard, he was just so resistant to production at that point. It was like, fuck you guys. Oh, absolutely.

I'm not doing what you tell me. So it was almost like him not saying it wasn't like hey if you're good i'll give you this ring it was like hey yeah they gave me this and i'm not gonna use it you know what i'm saying i think it was right don't get me wrong he said shit all the time and you know he was pretty misogynistic. But I do think it was a lot of competing with production. He, and he, he will admit it. He wanted to, he wanted, he didn't want them to know what he was going to do. So he had a ring picked out.

He didn't tell anyone who he was picking. Like he, he told me that like the night before he wasn't going to pick either one of us. He had decided because he didn't know he could just give out a rose and not propose. But then once he kind of figured that out, he was like, oh, okay. I really like this girl. I want to be with her, but I'm not ready to marry her. Which hindsight, thank God. What a win for you. Hashtag winning.

Right. Right. So I think he just really wanted to give a big f you to production and i mean it just continued on after that like it just was like i was like what is going like this isn't gonna go well this is not gonna go well at all yeah so i'm curious okay so he doesn't propose he's like i like you a lot winks at you did you throw up in your mouth in that moment or like i just was like a lot dude and then wings seriously like i i just like i put myself out there and like i like stuck stuck by you through all of your shit and you're gonna tell me you like me a lot like but then okay all right it's the wink the wink oh god the wink. Oh, God, the wink. I might be playing it in my head right now.

If I had a click in it, it would have made it better. Oh, God, do you imagine the legend that you would be, Nikki, if you actually went, excuse me, and pretend to vomit burp right after his wink? I mean... You would be a legend.

I would just make it stop. You would have been like, excuse me, hold on. All right. Go ahead, JP. Oh my God. Go ahead. In that moment, I just was like, this is not, this is, this is so embarrassing. I just remember being so embarrassed and I just wanted to crawl the hole and I wanted

everyone to stop filming and I wanted them to just leave us alone. And like, I was like, I just, I knew that it was going to be so hard for us going forward. Cause like people don't watch the show to hear someone tell the last girl standing that they like them a lot. Like nobody watches the show for that. And so I just knew instantly, I was like, well, shit. Like it was like the ultimate like pat on the head. Yeah.

Like the kiss on the forehead. Oh yeah. Yeah. You, you might as well like call me like sweetheart like okay sweetie like buddy yeah um so as the show wraps right that weird stuff all happens show wraps you guys have your kind of honeymoon was there even drama with him in production afterwards because Because usually, you know, the show wraps, you get a bunch of congratulations. We're so happy for you.

They wrap on the show. Everyone's clapping. And then you do a couple of post interviews. And then, you know, less than an hour later, you're in kind of a honeymoon house and they give your phones back and you're supposed to just really enjoy each other. Was that what it was for you guys?

Or was there like drama because he just did what he did there i think there was there's drama but like i also think that they were trying to like salvage it and i think that they were trying to like they're like okay can we come fill can we maybe like come film you guys together like in saint because we're in st lucia and um can we come film you guys together and like maybe kind of like make a story out of that be like you know we you guys actually do really like each other like there here's the romance that everyone's watching for but um he did not want that and and that's you know that's them that's them doing extending an

olive branch it's like all right fine you didn't want to propose like but like let's show how in love you are let's see how in love you let's show the genuineness of it because hey we saw it with colton cassie he they didn't propose but what it was clear in that moment at least how it was portrayed a genuine love for each other and a and a hope like a serious commitment on both their parts. And like, okay, that's what people want to see. But almost like they don't want him to, they didn't want him to look like a jerk either. They wanted to be like, no, he really does love her.

Exactly. And I appreciated that, like looking back. And I just remember telling him at one point, I was like, can you just play nice? Like, you're not like, they like own you at this point. They own both of us. And they're not going to make this easy for us and we're never going to be able to get what we want or anything if you don't play nice and he just would not do it he was just so stubborn so stubborn wow that's that's crazy and and i'm assuming you know from the time we i've always talked about how the challenge that every couple faces from the time the show wraps to the end of the show.

And then going back, you know, Juan Pablo made some disparaging remarks about the LGBTQ community, you know, while before even the show started airing. Which, you know, here you are, the lead of the show. It makes them, yeah. And when that happened, what was going through your head? Like, okay, here's the thing. He's not a bad guy. Like, he's not, like, a mean person. Like, I think deep down he does.

He has a good heart. He cares a lot about, about people. I think he just cares a lot about himself, you know, more. But I don't think he, I really don't think he meant anything by that.

And I remember like he told me when it happened and he was upset, but instead of just like, instead of apologizing and, and, and saying like, this is, this is not what I meant, like, this is not – he reverted back to the language thing, which I do think that it did have something to do with that. Language only just had more culturally different. I mean, it's not necessarily an, not that that's necessarily an excuse, but you know, it just, um, yeah. So that's from that point on, it was just like, it was like the media just hated him. Everyone hated him. Um, and so that was, it was really hard. Cause like here, I liked the guy at

the time. Like I wanted to stick up for him, but I can't because you know, no one knew that we were together. Um, and then obviously he wasn't listening to any advice i was giving so there's that um but yeah that was that was rough that was a real struggle and then the final kind of was the afr which it if we couldn't top off the proposal juan's like hold my beer i can do better what i really emphasize i really empathize with you watching that even in the moment when i didn't know what was the fuck the show was about or what was going on but having lau lived through a couple of aFRs. Just a couple, right? I really empathize with you because you truly were on an island. Here you are, Juan Pablo the Bachelor. It's truly live TV. You don't know what to do. Juan's being super secretive. I mean, did you have an idea of what he was planning?

I mean, did you have an idea of what he was planning? And probably not because like deer in headlights. I mean, I feel so bad for you. What was going through your head in that moment where he's like literally defiantly fighting with Chris Harrison, indirectly kind of throwing you under the bus? Like, what was that like? I can't imagine. You, if you watch it back, I think you can see my hand on his knee and I'm like squeezing his leg. Like, stop it, dude. Like shut the fuck up. Like I, you know, I just like, I tried to be neutral. I tried to stick up for him, but I also, he was like very adamant. Like before he's like,

we're not going to tell them anything. And like, what, like, what was I supposed to do? I felt like I had to choose like my relationship or, you know, like my reputation or something. I just felt like I was in this awful situation. Everyone hated him. But I still had friends from the show that, you know, were, you know, that cared about me. And I just, I remember just them being like, Nikki, like, what is going on? And then it just made it so miserable. Like that's supposed to be the day that, you know, you can finally be out in public and just them being like, Nikki, like what is going on? And then it just made it so miserable. Like

that's supposed to be the day that, you know, you can finally be out in public and everyone's supposed to be so happy for you. And I think I was pretty naive. I think I thought that people might be happy for us and be excited. But then after AFR, like we just went, we went straight back to our house and I literally sobbed for like an hour, just uncontrollably sobbing. And I'm like, this is not how this day was supposed to end. Like, this is not what this was supposed to look like for us. And it was just, we didn't do any of the press, you know, because we can't, you know, he's, he didn't want to talk to anyone. He didn't want to talk about it. So we didn't do any of the press tours. Like we didn't have a chance to like save face or show people like, Hey, like, yeah,

it didn't turn out the way you thought it would or you know but this is a real thing for us and we're really in a relationship we just you know don't want everyone you know under a magnifying glass with it so i feel so bad for you and what's so crazy about that is you know i can i've learned after the fact that afr can really change everything for good or worse absolutely you know imagine because all this time passes from the proposal to afr but for the audience it's literally this happens commercial break afr right so yep had juan pablo be a total dick to claire not good awkwardly right you know tell nikki he likes her winks at her throws up in mouth not great cuts a commercial break juan pablo comes out and just like hey listen

i was stressed the fuck out i definitely have some regrets uh i'll be honest i'm gonna just be honest it's live tv so i'm gonna be totally honest i was overly resistant to production i i just i let them get in my head and that well america kind of would have loved him for that they love it when they shit on the show sometimes right but you know what yeah i love this girl she's so great and yeah we're not get engaged, but she is beautiful and nice. And she keeps me. And he showed like just any humility. Yeah.

Everyone like would have been like, okay, you're hot. She's hot. Yeah. You'll be in love. And they probably would have really forgiven him for the Claire. I mean, not totally, but it doesn't take much for people to really be wanting to give you a shot. And that's all he had to do. Yeah.

I know. And that's what I got in my mind. It was so simple. Yeah. I just can't imagine. It must be so uncomfortable for you because there you are, unable to say anything. But everyone watching you in that moment, even me watching you in that moment i'm just like blink if you can hear us like you know like you know i'm sure like a bunch of your friends are probably like

what is she seeing this guy and that's like so much pressure because no one's explaining what you're having in private so no one gets it with with the benefit of hindsight because i totally get in the moment you You did like the guy, right? I did. As much as the criticism that Juan Pablo got, like, yeah, we all are siloed in that show. So like, while he made some mistakes and he was dumb to be so resistant, even like Charlene, who's like, I like she's like, I like Juan Pablo. Yes, I get it. He's rough around the edges. He said some stuff culturally, like there's a Yes, I get it. He's rough around the edges. He's said some stuff.

Culturally, there is a barrier there, but there are some charming things to him. Fine. So you like the guy. So I get it. You want to defend the person. You had real feelings for the guy. With the benefit of hindsight being said, knowing how things played out and you're married and happy with someone else, you got your dog and your cat. What would you have done differently either in the proposal or at AFR? Not being so worried about sticking up for your man. I think I would have questioned like, like, hey, like I just, I just put myself out there and like, this is like,

that's all I, that's all I'm going to get. Like, I just felt like ever since like the, the proposal day, I was like constantly like waiting for him to choose me. Um, and it was just like, I don't know why I put up with that for so long. Like, you know, we wanted to, usually it works best with if the couple like ends up moving to the same city. Um, and he wanted to do that, but I didn't want to move to LA with someone who couldn't even tell me that they love me. Like, why would I leave my job that I absolutely love my friends, my family in Kansas city for someone that like, I already put myself out there once for, and they didn't reciprocate.

And so, and I'm still waiting for them to reciprocate. And so like, why would I do that? And he just couldn't understand, you know, my thoughts and my feelings on that. know um did he ever ask i just think i should have questioned more because did he ever ask what i'm saying is it sounds like that he never like as a couple of the show and granted he was the bachelor but he was never like hey babe how do you think we should approach this or what should we do what's your opinion or was he always just like yeah he never what i want this is this is what's going to happen i'm the bachelor that's literally how he was this is what's going to happen this is how we're going to handle this

and if i if i did say like several times i suggested i was like why don't we just like why don't you just like kind of give them what they want like it'll make things so much easier um it'll make things easier for me it'll make things so much easier. Um, it'll make things easier for me. It'll make things easier for you. And he just, he would listen, but like, it was like talking to a wall, like the walls there, like, you know, but it's just, he would just be like, okay, well, that's not what we're going to do. Like, and he would say, you don't understand they, you know, what they've done to me and how they've wronged me and how they've wronged you. And, and I just want to say they would stop it if you would stop it.

Like just play nice. Just that's all everyone wanted was just to play nice, just for him to cooperate. And he refused. Absolutely refused. It's funny. Cause you know, we've talked about production and obviously on the show and,

you know, again, I go back and forth where like, yeah, they, they do things. They're not always innocent, but this, that's that classic, like, you know what i go back and forth where like yeah they they do things they're not always innocent but this that's that classic like you know what they did to me and it's just like as

the lead like they absolutely wanted people to love juan pablo when they casted him it wasn't like we're gonna cast this guy and make him a film they wanted to love him and from the moment i mean like a lot i remember like night one remember I was told by one of the producers, he's like, you know, they want sincerity. Like they, you know, they understand that not everyone's perfect. They understand that like, hey, you don't, you don't, I know you're not always a Bowie scout, but like be respectful and respect the role and kind of thing. And just like act sincere, you know? And I remember I heard a story like night one granted he's joking sure but he the producers come in the executives he's like

something along the lines of uh like can't wait to meet all these bitches kind of thing and just kind of like very and again you know fine is you could say he's joking whatever but just like you're about to like meet women who are it just the whole class it up a little bit yeah he he just decided to like kind of be a frat boy in that moment and be like i'm gonna beat a bunch of like whatever you know it's just like no man like you're the bachelor like start just like acting as if kind of thing. And he just kind of set a tone early on of not really quite understanding what he signed up for from a sincerity standpoint. And he had no idea. Yeah.

And like, and also like he had never, he didn't know what the role entailed. He didn't know, like he claims that he didn't know, like they were expecting a proposal at the end like you know so i kind of understand part of it because he'd never seen the show like he only saw the parts of desiree season that he was on aren't shocker um but he didn't watch the show which was so so he didn't watch it like yeah no um no

yeah i mean which is interesting about that is when they cast you they're not there's no nowhere does it say you have to get engaged you know so they don't force it or make you there's a little bit of expectation yeah there's a little bit of they don't make you but like okay you know here comes neil for example yeah they didn't ask me if i was ready to get engaged it was like well it's time to meet neil lane i'm like well yeah yes or you know i remember that how many times have you met neil yeah so you can at least pretend to ask it's like the insincere like check grab that you want from a girl on a first date it's like i'm gonna pay for it but can you at least pretend like so you just pretend to ask me if i'm ready to get engaged in vanessa because we all know i'm going to but just pretend that you respect just ask this is

my decision and not yours so yeah they can do that shit um but that's the thing they don't ask but it's just like they do like they weren't like yeah it's just wild to hear that perspective because like they wanted him to look good like Like they wanted America to crush over this like sexy Latin guy. Well, because America did on Desiree's season. Yeah, they were, when they cast him, it was a big, like put it this way. I didn't watch the show.

And before I heard about, before I was being casted, as someone who didn't watch the show, I heard about this guy named Juan Pablo. And when I first saw a preview of him being the bachelor, I thought he was like some like already famous Latin guy. It's like, oh wow. Where did they find this handsome man?

You know, like I thought he was like, wow, who is this guy? Turns out he's a fucking guy, you know? But yeah, so like it was a big deal, like from pop culture, like they didn't want him to look bad, you know? But yeah, so like, it was a big deal. Like, from pop culture, like, they didn't want him to look bad.

Yeah. You know? No. It just got to a point where they're just like, fuck this guy. Yeah. So,

I don't know. When was the last time you talked to him? Like, in person, not even in person, like on the phone was like,

I think when we broke up. Okay. There are a couple text messages that went back and forth after that. Um, you know, a couple, a couple months after we'd broken up, he, he texted me and he said like, like how, how, how many days or how many weeks out of the month would I have to live in Kansas city for you to be okay? And I was like, wait, what? After you broke up. Yes, after we broke up because that was like the big thing. He didn't want to move to Kansas City. But again, I didn't want to like move across the country for someone that couldn't tell me they love me.

So did you go into an entire relationship without him ever saying I love you? No, he did. We went to Bali and he did eventually, like we had gone out to dinner and he had like, you know, like how you can have it, like the hotel like set up like a romantic thing while you're gone.

And he did that. And I remember we came and honestly, I'm telling the story and I'm thinking like, I don't know why I'm still like semi-protecting him because I'm thinking like, oh my God, he would literally, he would kill me if he heard me talking about this, but like, what do I care now?

But we came back and he had spelled it out. He had spelled out Te Amo and like these rocks. And I was just kind of like, at that point, I was just kind of like, why are you doing this? Like we were kind of already on the outs. It was really hard. Our relationship was at that point and we weren't getting along. And I remember I didn't even really want to go to Bali with him, but it's Bali and why wouldn't you go kind of thing. So I just remember being almost like throwing up in my mouth. And I'm like, now you tell me, dude, come on. I've been trying to squeeze this out of you for months now. And you pick now. Like, is this like a last ditch effort or do you really mean this?

And I just kind of remember being like kind of grossed out by it. And I was like, cool. But also he does it in rocks in a language that you don't speak per se. It's just like, yeah, just fucking. I love you. I would think that was kind of cute. I know. I mean, if I was like in love with someone, I would think that was cute. Sure. if i was like in love with someone i would think that was cute sure because that was wouldn't you want to hear it like

and i think he i think he did say it like after but like or maybe he didn't i don't know maybe he didn't say it in english because like to him his whole big thing was like americans overuse the word love which i i agree with him. There's different saying like, oh, I love donuts, and then turning around and telling someone, I love you. The comparison there. So I understand how there's two different words. That's an interesting...

Yes, sometimes people can overuse it. I get wanting to protect what that word means and not feeling the pressure to say it. I like a lot. I like you a lot. I like a lot. A lot.

I like donuts a lot. Right. Did he wink at you? Exactly. And oh God, probably, I don't know, barf. Did he wink at you a lot? I think so. I think maybe I just tried to like block that out of my memory or something.

Cause like, I don't, I think winking is so cheesy. I hate it. I think it's so stupid. Like hopefully, hopefully you don't wink at girls. You don't i think winking is so cheesy i i hate it i think it's so stupid like hopefully hopefully you don't wink at girls you don't wink at girls right no one does uh not if i'm trying to be serious i think that may be a girl thing too though if i'm like i feel like every guy in my family i'm trying to be corny and cheesy yeah i'll wait yeah yeah but like i'm in on the joke so to speak i don't just like girls aren't like oh that's a sexy wink like nobody does that uh did you ever like how soon did you meet your now husband after you and juan pablo break up and and did you ever consider or were you ever

asked to go back to paradise as a result of you and Juan Pablo breaking up? So I actually, my husband and I, we knew each other before. We were really good friends for several years and we actually like kind of semi-dated like on and off. Like it was never like good timing and like I had always like broken up with a boyfriend and kind of like went, you know, running back to him and wasn't a good human to him, honestly. Um, so, you know, he like had stuck by me through a lot of stuff. And, um, so I had known him for a long time before Juan Pablo, I think. And I, you know, I, I know he watched the season and I know he like watched the end of that and he was like, what are you doing? Like you are like, you're out of your mind.

But yes, I, they did. There was like a time, you know, after Juan Pablo and I had broken up where, um, you know, my husband now we, we weren't dating or anything and they did ask me to go on paradise. And I mean, I, I still was very bitter about production at that point. And I was like, absolutely not. Like, look what you've already done in my life. But in reality, it wasn't them that did it. It was that relationship and it was him.

I mean, they didn't, at that point, they weren't helping, you know. But I do think that they, I was hard on them. I was really hard on them. I was so bitter. I was so hateful towards them. I get why. And obviously, you probably had a, in some rights too in some ways you just you were stuck being team one pablo i i think that i haven't like i never told my side of the story for so long because i was like

still protecting him sure um yeah you know and like it's kind of like it's been kind of good to like kind of like be like hey like he's not a bad guy. Like I know everyone thinks he's like this terrible monster. Like he's not, is he a little bit of a douchebag? Yeah. But it's just like, you know, it was the weird circumstances like that, you know, he didn't understand when he got into it. And, you know, I wish I would have stuck up for myself a little bit more, um, in hindsight, but you know, I, I don't, I don't regret anything. I think I regret it going on the show for a really long time. Um, but now, But I don't regret anything. I think I regretted going on the show for a really long time. But now I don't. Now I realize I've learned so much about myself. And also just watching the show now, you just view it through a different lens for sure.

But yeah, it's been nice to be able to tell my side a little bit. I'm glad you feel that way because it is such a shame because here you are, again, winner or whatever you want to call it. But you got screwed in a sense of your ability to enjoy the experience specifically because you were stuck between this like, well, I care about this guy. In any relationship, you want to stand by your man or stand by your woman or whatever it is and that was such a winless battle for you and then you know here you are going to get criticized for sticking up for pablo and yeah people it's like you're either the devil or you're not. There's no in-between. It's not. Yeah. Right.

And so. And people like said the most terrible, hateful things to me on social media. Because like I think like my season was kind of like just like the little, the start of like where, you know, everyone became like a blogger afterwards. Social media. Yeah. That was real to me. Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

And people like said the most hateful things to me on, um, you know, after AFR and, um, like people said, like, like told me that I was disgraced to women and like, I should go get a gun and I should kill myself. And it's just like, I was like, wow. And I think I just kind of shut down after that. I think I was just like, I was so afraid of, you know, people recognizing me when I was out. And I just like, I desperately wanted to go back to normal life so bad. Like I was just like, I was, I was hurt and I, and I felt like he wasn't sticking up for me. And I felt like he kind of created that mess for, for the both of us. And, you know, he had tougher skin than I did, obviously. So, um, I, I didn't handle it as well as I should have, I think.

Yeah, but you hadn't, yeah. I don't know how you could have. I mean, it's so easier looking back in hindsight to say, well, God, I wish I would have done this or wish I would have done that for sure. But again, whether it's the proposal, whether it's just you're you were operating with zero information and like yeah it's just like to so what were you supposed like no one it was such an unfortunate position to be in i don't know if anyone's ever really been in a position like that on the show to i i don't think so because like you know like i know yeah the expectation is like you know if you are remotely familiar with the show expectations like you know if you are remotely familiar with the show when it comes to proposal you're just like he's gonna say he loves me and

we're gonna get proposed and this is gonna be a happy moment and so then it's a weird moment so you're like well how am i supposed to handle what is i don't and then afr same thing where he just doubles down and how yeah it was um yeah you didn't really if i was awful it was uh i you i feel bad because you it was such a an impossible thing and like yeah short of you deciding right then and there on live national television to uh say fuck this relationship i need to worry about me and how I feel and just speak up regardless. And then I'll worry about the fallout after the fact. Like who makes that decision on live national television? Jason Mesnick.

Yeah. And I'm still trying to protect him at that point. Yeah. No, it's really, even with the Jason Mesnick stuff, that wasn't live, that was taped. Oh, that was taped. You're right. So that was before they were doing taped you're right um so that

was before they were doing live tvs it's totally different it's it's wild and it was a studio audience jason didn't have a studio audience no there's so much pressure in that situation i can't even imagine it's it's fucking wild and that's probably the only bachelor 2 that pushed back and was that defiant against production to be like that yeah and again just i can't imagine the position nikki like it's a winless battle there was no way she no one would do like it was just it was no one yeah no i remember watching chris chris's season like after you know after mine and i was just like wait i think i got cast on the wrong season like like this guy seems normal but like you know, I think I got cast on the wrong season. This guy seems normal, but is anyone really

normal that goes on this show? I mean, Chris has his... But in terms of Chris... Juan Pablo was just like, again, it was... Here's a guy who's like... Is he from Venezuela? Language was definitely

his... English was definitely his second language. Culturally it was different. He was. And then you add the fact that he's incredibly stubborn, slightly narcissistic was a. Just a scotch. Yeah. You get, it was a bummer for you because yeah most the yeah all every other bachelor is just like yeah they you know you worry about wanting to be respectful and not be the dick or the douchebag even if you are you know it's like oh just gotta be nice and he was just like nah fuck it um he's like whatever he's like i'm gonna do me yeah me. Yeah. And maybe the Venezuela bachelor would have, you know,

it's like he did it thinking, I don't know, maybe in Venezuela people would appreciate. I don't know. People were looking for the Latin Casanova. Yeah. The manly macho guy who takes what he wants. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know.

He was the wrong choice. He didn't know what he was signing up for and he just didn't know. Right. I don't know. I just, he was the wrong choice. He didn't know what he was signing up for, and he just didn't know how to play the game. And that's, it was unfortunate, because I think it was like, it affected more than just him. You know, it affected me. Oh my God, yeah. And my family, and you know, all that kind of stuff. Have you ever, probably you know the answer, ever gotten an apology from him, ever? Oh God, no.

For some of the things he put you through that would like that would mean that you would have to think he did something wrong and he definitely does not think he ever does anything wrong i doubt it who broke up with you yeah you know i don't really i don't remember i just remember like we've been fighting and we've been kind of like like you know when like you start to break up and you're like, this is over, it's over it. But like it, then it's not for like three days. And then it goes in this cycle. Um, that's kind of what was happening. And I think finally, like, I think finally he, he was the one that said it's over. And in the past it would have been me, but I just kept like sticking around, sticking around. I didn't want to leave.

I think, one, because I was trying to prove to everyone, like, hey, I can do this. We can do this. He's not that much of a psycho. But then I kind of realized he was. And I think that he ended it. And I actually saw these text messages on my phone. I guess I had screenshot them and probably sent them to all my girlfriends. You still have them?

You want to read them out loud? I don't know. Yeah, my phone. I guess I had like screenshot and probably send them to all my girlfriends. You still have them? You want to read them out loud? I don't know. Yeah. My, my phone's here, but I read it a couple of days ago. So it was something like I said, like,

thank you for doing like what I apparently didn't have the guts to do. Like, you know, like you've made this a living hell for me. And I, I'm so sick of your shit. Like I pity the person that, and that you end up with and has to deal with this for the rest of their lives because I'm so thankful it's not me anymore.

Did he write back, okay? It wasn't nice. No, he wrote back. He was just like, thank you for teaching me about your culture, and I had such a great experience getting to know you. And I'm just like, shut up. Dude, I just read that the other day, and I was like, this is the most full of shit thing I've ever seen in my life. experience getting to know you and i'm just like shut up like dude like you're like i just like read that the other day and i was like this is like the most full of shit thing i've ever seen in my whole life like he just he just like thought he was so great like he just thought he was

such a catch and like i should be so lucky that i got to like experience him you know experience one i just even the other day i read it i was like pissed i was like god what a douchebag still yeah i mean we've done that right we go back and then you're just like you see things clearly and you're just like why did i ever buy any of this ever yeah i know i might do that too much but i should yeah but part of it too is like you know now we when we're in relationships we want to be good partners. We want to have the back. We want to believe the people we're with.

We want to believe in them because we've chosen them and it's a reflection on ourselves. And if they suck, then maybe we suck. It's a whole thing. Yeah. For sure. For sure. I was so afraid of what everyone was going to think. Everyone was like, oh, that's not going to last.

And they were right. I think I stuck it out a lot longer than i should have just because of everyone's opinion of us yeah i told you so of it all yeah yeah nobody likes it good i told you so what are you right right what are you gonna do well nikki again this has been a ton of fun and i really appreciate you coming on. Best of luck with everything. Say hi to your family for me. And yeah, this has been a ton of fun. I'm glad people were able to hear your point of view. And you've definitely been through a lot from that show and definitely got the short end of the stick at the end. Any final thoughts on predictions on Claire's season

or what you think's going on? Does any of this surprise you? I mean, I just don't think she's emotionally stable, so no. It doesn't surprise me. That's honest. I don't really know what's happening. I don't really have an inside scoop.

But I just think it's going to be weird. Did you really fall in love with a guy in two weeks like really like i don't know maybe she did and everyone deserves love so like if she did good for her i'll pray for him um but you know i just think it's it's all very strange i really i really think he would have thrived in paradise i don't know it's really a shame i mean it's really a shame like how understanding is your husband like would he let you just go for fun well i keep i keep telling him like you know like wells is like

he's about to like be like he's married or about to be married like maybe like i should come back and i should bartend so i can just like kind of like stir the pot a little bit. I would propose that. You're quite honest. It's really great. Any other thoughts on Claire's season? No. I don't know. Are you going on it? Are you going to show up? No. Okay. Just checking.

Yeah. No. I don't know. I mean I don't even know if i'll watch it because like kind of like why not her voice is like nails on a chalkboard to me so i mean i just love the good hate watch i love a good hate watch well i mean listen if you're not a fan of claire i don't mean i don't know and i think it can go either way and in my guess is those decisions haven't been made in terms of how they are going to air this she can only be on for two weeks but it could potentially go very poorly for her yeah or they yeah i know and i'm and it really it kind of it really comes like what music are they going to play yeah like uh is it going to be the guitar music like the the happy strumming or is it going to be the guitar music, like the happy strumming, or is it going to be like, you know, the weird music?

But like, they're, yeah, well, they have a lot of footage. I'm curious what they're going to show. And how many weeks she'll be on versus how many weeks Tasia will be on. It'll all be very interesting. Yeah. But I hope, like I said, I've, you know, I do hope for her sake, she is in love and happy. I really, I really. Right. Otherwise. Because that's whatever. I mean, I do hope for her sake, she is in love and happy. I really, I really.

Right. Otherwise. Because that's whatever. I mean, everyone wants that for other people, right? Yeah. Even if you don't really like them or like them at all. I'm obsessed with Nikki. I love it.

I've met Claire a few times. I think she's fine. But she is, like I said. That's what makes fine. But she is, like I said last week, if someone said, can you believe what Claire did? Whatever it is, I'd be like, yeah, I mean, sure. Yeah, actually I can. I mean, honestly, none of that surprises me. And again, I think if Claire and I would have met

not in the situation that we did, do I think we would be friends? Absolutely not. But do I think that I would have this like, like this kind of like, oh, like eye roll thing about her every time I hear her voice? Probably not. Like, I mean, it's just, it is what it is. Like we never like hashed it out afterwards because there was nothing to hash out. But I mean, I think she's probably like, she's just a little nutty. She's just a little crazy. Well, on that note, thank you so much for coming. This has been a lot of fun,

Nikki. Thank you for not disappointing. Again, best of luck. I hope we start hearing more from you. Thanks for being a healthcare worker in these times um i know that's not always easy and uh yeah all the best to you where can people find you where we're we're on the gram where you want to promote something just my instagram you know no just just my instagram that's it in my instagram in my normal life that's it give nikki a follow she's going to give some hot live takes on her Instagram stories throughout the first portion of Clara's season. Yeah. Her honest take. I'm going to suggest that you do that.

I think that might be fruitful for you. We'll see how it goes. Yeah. We'll see how they spin it. So, Nikki Nikki thanks so much I appreciate it thank you guys for listening I hope you enjoyed it don't forget to send in your questions at asknickatcastme.com cast with a K

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