The Viall Files - E182 Reality, Crystals, Yoga, & Meditation With Rachel Platten

Episode Date: October 7, 2020

Today we are joined by singer, songwriter Rachel Platten. Our conversation with Rachel today teaches us that you could think, you are the most woke person, only to actually realize, you don’t really know much at all. Postpartum depression hit Rachel after the birth of her daughter and for a while kept it quiet but once she realized it is okay to say I am having a hard day, or I need help, her world actually started to take form, her writing once again took off, and her definition of being woke truly changed. So get ready for a conversation filled with honesty, laughs, and pop star love, as Nick and Rachel talk about her marriage, her crystals, her music, and that song that defined a campaign.  “ The surrender is incredible. ” You guys nominated us and now it is time to vote, so please go to https://pca.eonline.com/pop-culture/the-pop-podcast-of-2020 and vote for The Viall Files as your favorite Pop Podcast Of 2020 for The E! People's Choice Awards.  Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes.  THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Theragun: http://www.theragun.com/VIALL to try risk-free for 30 days Jenni Kayne: http://www.jennikayne.com use promo code VIALL Natural Habits: http://www.nhoils.com use promo code KRISSY for 30% off. Episode Socials:  @viallfiles @nickviall @rachelplatten See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It's the people's choice for the people. So I promise. Do you think if, if we win, they'll get like a mini trophy of like, what do you get for a people's choice? What do the people get? Or what do you,

or what does the show get? Well, we can get them like little mini, little mini trophies. That's a, little mini. Oh, many trophies. That's a lot of mini trophies. I mean, it's for the people. We can put it up on like the website and you could cut out your own trophy like a copy paste. Anywho, there is this Competition out there

If you guys so kindly want to vote For the Vile Files I would be eternally grateful It's not as if I care a lot about it It means a lot Because the fans are the ones who nominated us And there's some really good company In that category

I don't think I've ever been the people's choice for anything I mean True so there you finally here you are you've arrived so uh you know tell your friends you can vote 25 it's they you can vote 25 times once like they let you just go allocate all 25 votes like every day you can vote 25 times i don't i think i don't know no well is it every day i'm saying when you vote like you can just like you have 25 votes to like distribute if you want you can give us all of them 25 if you want i mean just do it we also have a great guest today rachel platten rachel platten amazing vocalist musician writer iconic songs iconic songs the empowerment i mean i sing the fight song in my

shower on the regular yeah true story every time i was would walk into the door about to fight with vanessa i would listen to the fight song and just it at me up i'm just kidding but we have a great conversation with rachel she is a wonderful person who's um not only talented but uh passionate what she does as well as inspiring for her audience. And a mom. She does so much. She's just a good-hearted person. She sings to people in need.

She does have very empowering songs, yes. And the lyrics are amazing. And she's also a mom who's like, sometimes it's okay to say like, it's tough to be a mom. A lot of mommy shamers out there. There's a lot of mom shamers out there, which is like,

I don't understand that. It's so foreign to me. Moms work so hard. They do. Yeah. Anyway, I hope you enjoy this episode. And you can find the link to vote for us us we together in the bio on the podcast description or my social or our social rachel thanks so much

for coming we're recording hi nick thank you so much that was an awesome start that was i just try to well we you kind of started before we were recording so i was basically like hold on we're going to introduce our guest how are you doing i'm really good actually you are yeah i'm good you guys are you guys are fun this is good energy in here i i hope so uh what have you been up to i guess we'll just keep it open-ended. Well, I had a daughter a year ago, and so I've been honestly lately trying to figure out the right balance between diving back full force into my career and being as present of a mom as I can.

So I'm really right now navigating that balance, like swinging kind of hard extremes. I don't know how great I'm doing. As someone who has a hard time taking care of himself, what is that like having to take care of another human being and your career? In what ways do you have a hard time taking care of yourself? What do you mean? You know, I'm in therapy.

Oh, me too. Oh, yeah, no. Bro, me too. Every day it's just like just get through it. Yeah. You know? Yeah. No, I mean like kids kind of.

But that must be it. Yeah. You know? Yeah. No, I mean, I kids kind of, but that must be hard. Yeah. I think that it's an automatic thing that happens as any parent listening could tell you that like even the most selfish among us and I really thought that I was at the very top and that's- Of being selfish.

Yeah. Like I really was, just when I put my career before everything. That's a great self-awareness. I'm pretty self-aware. I've had a lot of therapy. I like self-aware people, but I will say it's always, it's always funny when it comes to things like selfishness or insecurities. It's, it's usually the people who, who admit those things I'm the least worried about. That's probably true. Like the person who

admits they're selfish. I'm not saying that doesn't make them not selfish, but that awareness. It's actually very true. The most selfish people just by definition think everyone around them is selfish because they're so concerned about themselves. No one around them can do enough for them. Does that make sense? Like when you're in relationships, you know, and you're just like, you're so selfish. And the person you're dating is constantly calling you selfish. You're like, I don't know. You always seem to make it seem like I'm not doing enough for you. Yes. You know what I'm saying? Yes, absolutely. I know. Well, I have two things to say to that. One,

I really liked what you said that, you know know the awareness around it is actually what brings it into the light and that's what you said is totally true like me owning my faults is something that i work on a lot in therapy and then it actually takes them into the light so that they're not in the shadow so i can't ignore them so they're so they are you know something that i can deal with and learn and grow from when you mean takes them into the light take them into the light are we like okay is that like a rachel thing is that a rachelism it could be should it be i don't know i haven't heard that maybe if you don't have a song if you don't have a song called take them into the light that's a good one you say it and i'm like i'm drawn in by this take him into the light everyone wants to be in the light i know but

you know what no but okay here's the important thing about that oh my god i have so much to say wow wow oh my i'm overwhelmed okay wow nick we don't even need you no i'm kidding oh my god that's what she said no so two things one we can't stay in the light all the time it's that's another thing that i have been working on and learning that's called spiritual bypassing you've ever heard of that no okay dude i could like talk for hours about this kind of stuff i'm fascinated with it so i for a long time was like yogi i meditate i um you know everything that you think about an la girl i have my crystals like i really i like that you embrace that too oh yeah everything you think about a person I love

me it's right me it's basically you guys are nailing it there's no stereotype that's it I'm also an LA girl I well I'm from you are I'm from Boston originally so it's kind of shocking that like this turn of events happened but so anyway okay I loved to do all like no let's just stay high vibration let's just stay in the light let's just stay in the light. Let's just like stay light. But what I'm learning lately, and I think it's maturity, maybe being a mother, just living life, is that you have to be able to approach and like we said before, understand the dark stuff too. You have to be able to go into your shadow and excavate and pull out and be like, what's there? What's there from when I was younger and got hurt? What are these patterns that bring pain like into relationships

because I haven't looked at them and explored them? So I think spiritual bypassing is wanting to like only stay on the surface and stay in the light. And I think that actually- Not admitting- Not admitting and not just like- Whatever it is there is to admit.

Yeah, or just like not even being brave enough to look and have your dark night of the soul and go in and see like, you know, what do I need to work on? And, and I don't know, I could talk for so long about this. You can cut me off.

No, please. This is, this is, yeah. So, I mean, it sounds like self-awareness.

Yes. In the layman's terms, the non LA terms. Exactly. Self-awareness. For all those who don't understand crystals and light. I love me a crystal. So I'm not.

I'm insufferable. Oh, Chris, you're on this podcast? Yes. Oh, this is best. Rachel, I own an essential oil company. So you're, but I'm just like for the other. Excuse me, you do? Yeah, I forgot to bring you some.

I'll send them to you. That is so exciting. So self-awareness. And that's not something you were always good at, you're saying. Well, I think I thought I was because I meditated a lot and I did a lot of yoga and I had all my crystals. And so I thought that I was very self-aware. But really, I had a big kind of wake up last summer. I had my baby and then I went right on tour.

Hi, now I'm going to look at you you i went right on tour after three months she was three months old like it was some crazy ego stuff of like look what i can prove look how tough i am like you kind of decided you were gonna do it before knowing what it was gonna be like kind of yeah i decided when she was like a week old they gave me like 24 hours to decide and they were like you're gonna play all your dream venues and i was like oh my baby is not gonna change my life I am definitely gonna do this tour it was totally crazy so for four months my husband dog my new baby and I lived on a tour bus and we drove around the country I mean it was so nuts but anyway the experience was so challenging and I was trying to breastfeed and then play arenas and then trying to be the best husband

husband trying to be the best wife I could and just failing at everything you know like none of them were were you actually failing or just felt like you were I felt like I was good call good call Nick you're right so anyway I started struggling with postpartum anxiety and I was having panic attacks have you ever had a panic attack? I don't know. I only say that because I don't want to. Don't even talk about it. You're right. I couldn't sleep last night. I feel like you would know if you did.

Yeah, you'd know. It's not just anxiety. I have lots of anxiety. Like last night, I just, I felt it. I don't know why. I was fine. Like life was fine. I kind of like knew it like an inventory.

I'm like, why do I feel the way I do? I just did. I could feel it coming on too. And it was like this like my heart rate was up. But I don't know if it's like a panic attack. That's not a panic attack. I've never had to like, no, I've never done that. I've had like throwing up from it.

No, I've never done that. I'm sorry, Chrissy. So no. So then a no, I have not. Good. I'm so glad for you. And I understand that I had one of those nights like three nights ago and they're just for no reason.

Like nothing is actually that wrong. And then as soon as morning comes and even if you only slept like three hours, you're like, okay, I guess I'm okay. Yeah. No, I'm tired right now. I'm tired. But I like, I'm fine. They're so ridiculous because you just wrap your head and you just, it's really your mind.

It just won't stop. But yeah. Where were we? Postpartum. Oh yeah. Okay. So postpartum. So I had this big realization that, um, cause I started seeing a therapist and I, I had, my parents are both therapists. Like you would have thought that I would have known to do the work. Yeah. Cool. That's why I love this. So much to talk about. I love this. Hold on.

We're bouncing around. So much to talk about. Postpartum. Okay. So I had postpartum. I was having anxiety attacks. My breast milk supply was, I just lingered on the word breast a really long time. I'm sorry. And it was dwindling and I was just stressed and it was so bad.

And I started therapy when I was on the road. And the first thing that I realized was that like she was like, well, you're you seem quite controlling. And I was like, I'm not controlling. Your therapist said this. Yeah. She was very cool. She was. Maybe she hinted at it.

Maybe she wasn't that direct. I don't remember. But in my mind, it was like a big like. Why are you coming at me, bro? I was like, oh, excuse me. And I had this. I was like, no, I'm not. I'm laid back.

I'm easygoing. I'm the best. I'm like super cool. I'm chill. No, I'm not. I'm laid back. I'm easygoing. I'm the best. I'm like super cool. I'm chill. I'm a yogi crystal girl. No, I'm majorly controlled. You know what I've learned about self-awareness is someone who prides himself on being self-aware. It's like, here's an analogy for you.

Yes. I like a good analogy. You know, if you're like, I don't know if you, are you into fitness and working out? You can't tell. I'm just kidding. You look be no i'm trying no i'm trying um but we get in our routines yeah like what oh god are you shaming me um we get it in our routines you know let's say we will work out and do the same thing over and over and sometimes when we're alone, we cheat on pushups, you know, like we'll go, we don't go as much, we don't go as low as we should or whatever. And sometimes like self-awareness is we like, we'll just like, we'll get good at a certain exercise, right? We're really good at pull-ups, but there's so

much more things you can do to like be in good physical shape or self-awareness is the same thing. You can just decide to be like, I'm self-aware about the same thing you can just decide to be like i'm self-aware about x y and z and i i'm not good at this and then we get really good at admitting those very few things that's like well yeah i'm just not good at that and then we just kind of just forget about all the other things we could work on and then when someone calls us out on something that like we haven't decided we're gonna admit to ourselves or people we're like on something that like we haven't decided we're going to admit to ourselves or people we're like what i'm yes it's so hurtful like it to ourselves yeah like it'll it'll it's a weird thing about self-awareness we'll like lock in to what we are we have we have decided yeah yeah you know me i

know you know me i do this all the time like for the next two years, everyone's like, yeah, we get it. You do this. And it's like, well, what about when you do this? Right. What? I don't do that. That is exactly it. Yeah. So that kind of triggered me. So you were controlling.

I am still. Yeah, I'm working on it. When your therapist subtly suggested that maybe you might have a control issue, at what point did you ask your husband, if at all, if he agreed with your therapist's assessment? Chrissy, what do you do when you get headaches? I use my Natural Habits Center Roll-On, actually. Actually?

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Glad you caught up with the rest of us. Like, that's okay, babe. Welcome. That's fine. What about you? Have you kind of figured out stuff about yourself recently that was like, not that you have to go there. This is my, you know, you're doing me. about myself well one thing I just have a I've had a hard time relaxing

and enjoying anything it's true I'm not good at enjoying anything I understand that and taking a moment to enjoy it it's a very high strength. I've gotten better. You've gotten better, for sure. I've noticed you're getting better. So there is that. I noticed.

What do you do to kind of get yourself into the moment? Is it more of just about like you're not able to land ever into the present and where you are? Well, for me, it's not having obsessive ruminating thoughts yeah um it's like acknowledging whatever it is that's on my mind okay fine that might be the case but like you can acknowledge it and then like stop or you can obsessively think about it for the next 12 hours either way you're going to be in the same spot 12 hours from now exactly exactly you said it chill out have you heard of this no you that is

exactly right you're so smart and you're so onto something you don't even know it's therapy okay have you heard of the rain technique i'll let darlene know darlene you're killing it with that shout out out. Have you heard of the RAIN technique? This is for like, this is for addressing any of your emotions. It's really saved my life. It's by this woman named Tara Brock that I really love. She's a psychologist and a meditation teacher or something. And she, and a Buddhist, and she does these beautiful talks. And she has this technique, it's called RAIN. It's an acronym and the first is recognize.

Then the A is allow. The I is investigate and the N is nurture. And so if you're feeling a feeling that your like thoughts won't stop, the exact first, you're totally right. The first thing you have to do is just recognize the feeling, name it. And be like, oh, okay, I'm really nervous right now. And even that is like the thing we were talking about. It's bringing it to the light.

It's like letting it be seen so that it's not working behind the scenes and messing with you and then you allow it and that it sounds like you're already doing that the permission okay so it so it is I'm nervous right now I'm not gonna try to fight it I'm not gonna try to deny that what is actually present it's not like you're saying I want to be nervous but at least by accepting it you're not having an inner battle where you're trying to like keep changing your state of mind when you're not actually acknowledging what's going on and then investigate is um you check out where in your body you're feeling the

feeling so you like locate it do you ever do that i'm trying to start that's a really good one i've not been good at that that would be good for you especially for being in the present like yeah also working on that. Yeah. Being in the present. No, you're doing awesome. And then you feel like, where does the anxiety? Oh, it's in my throat. Oh, my jaw is tense.

My shoulders are hunched. It's usually in my chest. Mine too. Where's yours, Chrissy? My chest. You're like, my butt. My butt. And then, yeah, so you feel it you locate it and then you'd ask this gets

a little la for some of you but then you ask that part of you and you're like what do you need you like go to your chest and you put a hand on the part and loving hand as if it's like you know a loving grandmother or something or whatever and you literally acknowledge that part and say okay anxious rachel what do you need to hear right now i do I do all this I love it I'm not laughing at you I'm laughing at the idea of myself going okay anxious Nick do it try it with us you probably work come on Nick anxious Nick do it I can't do it what does anxious Nick need do it you'll do it you'll do it when you're the next time you can't sleep when you can't it when you're the next time you can't sleep when you can't sleep when you're in the middle of the night and you're just by yourself

you'll do oh you'll do it i can't wait for the day we walk in here and you're like so i so anxious nicked myself last night and then they'll usually say to you that little rachel whatever that scared rachel or that bossy rachel whatever it is she'll tell me what she needs and she's like i just need to be accepted or i just need to be loved or I need to be told I'm allowed to be here. And then you shift out after you let yourself feel it all the way. You feel it, feel it. Then you shift back into like higher self Nick, higher self Rachel, higher self Chrissy, the Rachel that's always calm and present,

the Nick that always knows what's up. And then you invite him in and then you say then you let him be the nurturing and you tell him to nurture anxious nick how he needs so you would say to yourself nurture nick nick you nurture nick nurture nick would say to anxious nick you're okay you're allowed you're you know whatever it is that you need to hear well i need to i think i think the problem rubbing your essential i'm fully aware that i'm fully aware that uh nervous nick exists he's there yeah nurture nick he could no nurture nick is definitely there that's who's talking to me right now well maybe i don't know nurture nick's not very nurture nick's like just figure

it out okay that's okay's okay. That's fair. But that's your version of nurture. Yeah. That works for you. Men are different. I don't know if it does, but... No, men are different though. Like ours is like, I hear you, you're heard, you know, we can talk about this. And yours is like, fix it. Do you do this all on your own?

Yeah. You do? And I do it like over a period of, you know, a couple minutes. Do you have, how much of this do you work, is this like, do you have a friend? Is your friend your husband in terms of like ever working with this stuff for you? Like who's your go-to, I need a vent person? My therapist, probably. Yeah. But I mean, my husband is fantastic, but he's not like this at all like he would he's

gonna listen to this and just have a permanent eye roll so back in his head it's gonna be I think that's okay to say too like you know we always say like I'm in love with my best friend you know my husband and my wife or whatever and it's just like that's great but also if it's not that person also totally fine doesn Doesn't mean it's totally fine. You know, you know, like Ben Higgins and I, do you know who Ben Higgins is? He's a bachelor. Yeah,

he was. Yeah. We've become these people, him and I are friends. And like, Ben, isn't like my closest friend. And because we have had similar lives in the past few years,

in the past year, Ben and I have become like to each other, the person, like if we're really struggling with like just and it's like if we know we're struggling with things that are usually predicated on like our egos or insecurities or just we'll just call each other and be like hey can I just vent to you about like whatever just because it's like a safe space and Ben has the kind of become that person for me and vice versa. And it's really quite

comforting just to know that, you know, and I don't know if I'll be able to have anyone else like that who like I'm in a relationship with that I can just do that with. That's great. And I think that's okay. Yeah. I think it's totally fine. I think that's beautiful too, that it's to men that can talk about their feelings like that is awesome but i think i think so too yeah you're funny i think um but i think you're like you touched on something really important too people always get surprised when they meet me and then they meet kevin and they're like oh my god but he's so like normal and cool like he's like like thinks crystals are so weird and he makes fun of you all the time. And we don't believe the same things at all. And when you say believe.

Like spiritually, we're both Jewish, but we don't believe at all. I believe very, you know, much more in metaphysics. He's more traditional. Oh my God. Yeah. He's like, you're, you're crazy. And he thinks he's going to come home to like a house full of like. You're like, I'm Jewish, but like crystals.

He's like Jewish. Yeah, exactly. But like he comes, he thinks he's going gonna come home to like a house full of like Gurus and like weird mantras and he's just always Afraid he's like oh my god Rachel what are you doing? And how do you guys make that work for you? I think that's great but so many People in relationships feel

Like they'll judge their own relationship Because like we're supposed to Why don't we like the same things? You don't need to It's actually for me so much better that we have totally our own areas that and things that we love i think it's so much healthier i have friends that fill that need and he has friends that fill his like other you know more bro side or whatever watching whatever i don't know i don't know i don't know how to describe those he does but like or like more cynical you know sarcastic thing and then we love each other so much we've been married for 10 years and we it works like that how did you guys meet oh my god i'm so

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and what i mean by embarrassing everyone like we talk about this everyone wants to have their grocery store or coffee shop like meet cute but that's just stupid yeah it's great that you have it if you do but like it's fine if you met on j date it's totally fine i'm more was just doing that for show love it j date for those who aren't familiar with j date it is a dating app specific for Jewish singles. It's like the Christian mingle of the Jewish singles. So red. I found out I'm 8% Jewish recently.

Does that qualify you for Jewish? You seem so much more Jewish than 8%. Well, I do also have curly hair. I thought you were for sure. I'm Catholic. but oh similar yeah it's kind of the same my mom was catholic and then she converted okay i'm uh i grew up very catholic and now i'm catholic yeah you're the way i am like it's like all right like if you had a kid you might raise them that yeah i mean not that i want to go. Anyway, we have way more interesting things to talk about.

Let's go. Let's talk about religion and really offend our audience. All right. Settle in, guys. Buckle up. Here we go. Followed up by politics. What do you think about Jesus?

Jesus. So your parents both are therapists? Yeah therapists yeah like good or bad i think it's pretty great i mean sounds fun yeah well my dad is a clinical psychologist but he was first in clinical wait sorry let me try this again yeah he's a clinical he's an industrial psychologist but he was a clinical industrial no one really industrial psychologist? No one really cares. We don't have much time left. And like, it's just too annoying to explain. The truth is, I don't know.

I just don't know. Yeah, he's a smart guy. But he worked in like McLean Hospital when he was younger. And my mom is a family therapist for younger children and also for families. So between the two of them, it was really nice, but it also could be a little much. Like sometimes you're like, I don't want to talk about my feelings. How are you feeling, Rachel? Right.

Oh, my God. Could you imagine if that was your dinner conversation every day when you came home from school? It was very much from my mom. Like she's amazing, and now we're very, very close, but it was hard and triggering for me for a while. I was just like, no, my God. A god the cigar doesn't because just a cigar sometimes we don't have to analyze everything yeah my mom not a therapist but highly emotional and highly empathetic um so she definitely wanted

us to express ourselves my mom's favorite thing is I guess her firstborn son would she'd love to ask me what i was thinking to which i would always reply nothing to what she would respond to it's not possible to be thinking about nothing sweetie wow i'm like well true but i don't feel like telling you right that's exactly right it's a little much. So yeah. But bless her because you're incredible talking about your feelings. That's why you have this podcast. Do you think it's all because of my mom? No, I'm sure it's because of you too.

I think it's a lot from your mom. We talked about this before too. She's giving you some confidence. My mom, yes, is giving me as I learned from Esther probably Who's Esther?her's not darlene esther is a previous guest okay she's a comedian um who informed me that my uh high confidence

stems from being my mom's favorite and and while i maybe have some reasons to be confident my mom has given me an unreasonable amount of confidence oh my god we are literally spirit animals i that is exactly the problem with me i am awesome thank you mom you see into my soul that is exactly what happened to me it's why i thought i should be a pop star that does take some that takes some sack you have to believe in yourself and i got rejected for 15 years and i still kept believing the whole time how special I am. How do you keep that in check? I mean, that's great.

That is awesome. But there must be a level. And you also seem, despite the crystals, like normal. Yeah, I'm from Boston. I'm kidding. But like you are like a very down to earth person. And I don't know a ton of pop stars who works out who we're now we know that who also works out but how do you keep that level balance what keeps you in check

everyone needs to be kept in check well my husband okay for sure he makes fun of me all the time and my dad and everyone just makes fun of me i think it's easy how do you and i love it but you do like that so he must do in a way that's like he loves me so much that's that's a good amount because what's the difference between your husband who sarcastically teases you and being like could you just say something nice oh because he's so nice too he's like a gentle i mean he's the sweetest guy and he's so romantic too but he intersperses it with like teasing me and if i'm ever like being too insufferable you know about like oh I just wrote like a song that's gonna heal the world he's just like oh my god have you actually ever said that aloud to him 100% after after I heard fight song I was like well I mean you kind of nailed it

fight song did kind of like heal some things kind of right just kidding no I still weren't totally wrong he was like sitting at home, rolling his eyes and you're like, I told you so. And he's like, he believes like, wow, Rachel,

that's a bit of a statement, but okay. He's like, it's only the theme song for like the biggest campaign in the world. Oh God. Anyway. Yeah. He,

um, he, he believed in me too. And like he would, when it came time to actually like when it was serious and i was actually being vulnerable and like needed support he was always there supporting me it was more just like when he noticed that he can really quickly tell when it's coming from a vulnerable place of like and a real authentic place like i really believe in this i feel like right now i'm writing music

again and i feel so proud of it and it's not from an egoic place of like i'm the most famous i'm very aware of you know my limitations but i feel so proud and i think he can really easily read when i'm that mode and then when i'm like you know when i'm just like in full ego like i'm so special kind of mode and that's when he makes fun of me and brings me back down to earth that's great you don't really give off that vibe of thinking you're so special. I don't. In a delusional sort of way. I know.

I think there's a lot of things that have grounded me. And besides all that is also all the rejection that I dealt with for like 15 years. So I can't really ever believe my hype too much because it's always in the back of my mind. A little bit like a chip on My shoulder like who knows when any you know I kind of always felt in the very beginning of the success after so long like The rug might come, you know be pulled out from under me at any minute That's how I live my life. That's what I have a hard time enjoying things because it's just like yes

What's the next thing? It's the pressure of like what am I gonna do next like people are gonna expect like it's just like yes what's the next thing it's the pressure of like what am i gonna do next like people are gonna expect like it's like yeah and i think similar backgrounds too like i mean i was in sales long before i was doing this i mean and i was in sports before that and it was always like you just there's always someone chasing you yeah uh or you could always never safe to rest yeah never yeah and that kept you that kept you sharp. And I like that about me, but I need to. You need to let it go now. Because you've arrived. It's like, what's enough though?

I mean, really, like I had all these goals that I wanted to reach and I reached almost all of them. And then still had the feeling that I hadn't done enough or that I'm not enough or that I'm not good enough. I relate to that. It's just like, and then you kind of, yeah, you reach that point where you talk to that little Rachel, that little Nick.

And you're like, you're like, I know that you were, that your MO is to like be competitive and chase and climb and, you know, strive and push and control. But like you can rest, like you're safe.

You've done enough. And, and then I think I was so afraid that if I ever reached that point, that the motivation wouldn't still be there. Yeah. That's'm that makes I get that yeah I feel like I have to keep it I have to keep that anxiousness because without it I won't be able to be successful yeah there's a fear I have yeah I understand that so much I think what I found from being a mom is like I had to just give it up for a minute like I had to let all the balls drop I was it was getting so crazy my mental health was suffering and so finally I literally just let it all go and face the fact that maybe I wouldn't

make music anymore and had to come to grips with like who would I be if I wasn't you know the Rachel Patton whatever and um and once I made peace with like, oh, actually, I might be OK with like just making music for me and being Violet's mother and being Kevin's wife. That's beautiful. Then the fire came back. I kind of had to let myself just like. Oh, my God.

I just had this same conversation with another friend of mine. He's like, I finished an album. And I was like, that's amazing. And he's like, I don't care if anyone buys this album. This is my masterpiece. This is what I've done. If no one buys a single, if it doesn't make it on the radio, this is the album I was made to make.

Yes. It was like the same conversation. And he's going to probably have tremendous success because. Yeah. Do you feel like he says that? Because he's like, I know it's awesome. No. Or did you really believe that? There was like a lot that happened in his life recently and Herm and I have shared a lot of like Is it Kanye? But like him and I have shared a lot of like loss in this last year and I think that it just came from like

This deep place and so he was just like I have I don't care if anybody buys it This is my masterpiece, which I think is a cool place to be it's a beautiful instead of chasing something the surrender is like it's so incredible to be like like nick and i were just gripping so tightly to something for so many years and then to just like let your hands go and let it go and see what happens and it's really beautiful because i have all this drive again like i'm making all this music that i love again but without any of the the need like the crazy need like I had before to prove myself now I'm just kind of like I'm so proud of it and beaut and I'm proud to make Violet proud and I and yeah people if it resonates with people that's beautiful that's so cool that's great um it's great the COVID way that's true uh when you were dealing with the postpartum um because you know for all the people listening it's one of those things where you see on the internet like

it's more and more it's becoming talked about talked about but not as much and still we can always do more what are some struggles that when it affects life? But obviously, I'm sure the relationship a little bit. What were some things that you both did that you look back and think, so thankful we did that or we wish we could have done that differently? We've survived, obviously, but like for people listening in relationships that you feel like it's going to put a stress on the relationship. Things you've learned about having postpartum. How are things that what are that your husband helped you with? Like just little tips and tricks you can give to the people listening. No one's ever asked me about it as it related to my husband. So that's a great question.

Well, I think, I think having really good boundaries around what was his to hold for me and what was mine to work out on my own, like not making it his burden to carry just because I was feeling a certain, like, you know, just because I was feeling stressed and panicky about Violet and not having enough breast milk or whatever it was that was sending me, it wasn't his issue to fix or to hold. Does that make sense? So, like, really having good boundaries around boundaries around like not expecting too much of him when he was dealing with his own you know struggles and his own growth and like his own becoming a father and what did that mean for him

and then he's on tour with his wife and like how annoying is that you know he's on the bus for me supporting me and that's confusing as a man I'm sure and so I think it just became like really delineating like, okay, and like we said, like I'm going to work in therapy around this stuff, and then when I go back to my family, I'm going to do my best to separate it, which women aren't always so good at. You know, men are a little, I think, better. Better at what?

Separating, like compartmentalizing things. Like we're like, is that true? I don't know. I agree with that. Be more specific if you could, please. Well, maybe Chrissy could step in here. Well, I think that women think that they have to have their hand in everything all at once. They're handling all things at once.

Where men are kind of more of like, I'll handle this aspect right now. This one we'll do tomorrow. This and I'll do later. So the multitasking. Yes. This would be the side effect of women being better later multitasking like this would be the the side effect of women being better at multitasking than men yes yes yes that's exactly why you said that because you like you you multitask all your emotions where we're just like i'm just gonna focus on

yes i'm horny right now yes are you no wow good for Yes. Let me be clear. All right. I'm not. You could talk to that Nick. Horny Nick. Hey, horny Nick. Hey, little bro. I'm not the horny Nick.

Hey, little guy. No nervousness. It's not the time. We're at work. It's 2020. Not appropriate. Inappropriate. Poor Nick.

I'm sorry. Okay. Compartmentalropriate. Poor Nick. I'm sorry. Okay. Compartmentalizing. Back to religion. So, Jesus. Great guy. Not that we're talking about politics, but your song was Hillary Clinton's theme song

for her campaign. What was that like? Was that something that, did you agree to it right away? Regardless, because as we know, as we joked, politics are and can be divisive. Yeah. As a pop star who wants to be inclusive, how did you come to make that decision? Man, that was really tough for me because I don't feel I think i made the decision and then didn't quite grasp what was going to come along with it and and at the time i don't know if you remember like our um not all of our pop stars were talking about politics and that was like

quite their silence was noticeable and then some were and were being judged for that and so there was like you you can't do it right really well now in 2020 it's quite quite different the year of judgment yeah oh yeah i mean it's tough everyone's afraid but i think um i was i am and was but i'm working on it i'm such a people pleaser i always want everyone to like me i always want everyone to think that i'm doing the right thing and saying the right thing and think every single thing i ever say is perfect. I mean, it's crazy. And then I tell my mind to work on it. My mind's like, okay, we will.

And we're going to go crazy working on it. But like, so that was automatically, like I had this song that was uniting, that was unifying, that brought people together. And then all of a sudden it was divisive. And it was really confusing for me because that's not what I wrote it about. I wrote it when I was struggling with believing in myself. And I had loved that it related to people everywhere of all, you know, different situations.

So it was quite confusing and I was really afraid because I had only received up to that point, like, okay, now we know I had the 15 years of rejection. So I felt like the rug could come out at any point. And now here I am on this, all of a sudden thrust into this like position. And I was getting interview requests from everyone, everything. And I turned them all down and I, I'm not ashamed of it, but I know that if that, if it had been now, I would have 100% spoken up. Do you kind of regretted it because out of fear? Out of fear. I was really scared to say what I thought.

And it was ridiculous because my song was standing for Stump that I wouldn't actually speak up about it because I was too afraid to be judged or not liked or to lose fans. It was so ridiculous. And now, four years later, it's such a different thing. And I can look at that girl and have like compassion for her but i also that's something i definitely would have done differently and you would have said yes to some of these i would have said yes to all of them and then

just said how you felt said how i felt and and um yeah i mean and and i think also not been so afraid of people not liking me like i'm now i I'm a mom. I think all the moms, like we can all understand like who gives a SH, I don't, can we swear? Who gives a crap? Who gives a shit when you have a baby? Like who cares if anyone likes me?

Violet is the most important thing in my world. I really don't care anymore. I mean, I care. Obviously I definitely still care. I'm trying to charm you both. So I definitely care, but I don't care as much. Yeah.

No, I, that's been always been my problem this is like well and I'm thankful that I I'm good at being me yeah for better or worse but I also like it when people like me yeah but because I am I am who I am, I can sometimes rub people the wrong way. So I'm constantly being like, oh, fuck. It's like I'm happy that I can be myself, but constantly annoyed that people like, you know, does that make sense? I can be who I am. And why don't you like, why doesn't everyone't everyone like that yes I don't think it helped that our moms liked us so much yeah thank god thank god I mean I mean I know but I understand

completely what you're saying I mean and and first of all I would I think it's incredible that you're so comfortable being you it's like a really humongous gift in the world so many of us question ourselves and like, you know? I'm tired of being an acquired taste. And I don't think I'm an acquired taste, but I just feel like... Oh my God, I love Chrissy. I don't think you are. You don't seem like an acquired taste.

What's an acquired taste that... Wait, you seem delightful. That people like are resistant to try, once they do most people love what's that what is that food i don't know oh sushi maybe sushi maybe sushi oh my god i nailed it yeah yeah it's like a little scary at first you're not sure if it's it's not mac and cheese right you know but then everyone's like oh it's pretty good but it's like wow i've been missing that my whole life i like to think that's me i think that people just read you wrong oh is what i think and i think that you you come across you in person you're so in person you're so in like the first couple times i met you you're so in

your head kind of wondering why the people in front of you even want to talk to you or sometimes like even want to pay attention to you like why does this person want to talk to me like i feel like you're so in your head that it comes off a little weird. And then I'm tall. And then once you let a wall down, but you have a reason to have 50 million walls up to see what people want. I mean, you're famous. And it's tough probably from those shows, that kind of fame.

Yeah, when you've been judged so much. Everyone's judging you, used to judging you. And that's what we do. We sit home and it's a good game to judge you. And then that's messed up. So everyone's judging you, used to judging you and that's like what we do. We sit home and we like, it's like a game to judge you and then that like, that's messed up and then you carry it

into real life. So I think that you're not, Thank you, Rachel. It's not all your, it's not all your problem. I think it's, I think it's our problem that like,

And thanks to Darlene, I'm sure it's working. I'm going to call Darlene. Honestly, she and I are going to chat. I'm going to be like, listen, Darlene, I have some techniques.

You're doing great, but let me just give you some notes. Okay, D I have some revisions yeah but when like but you are a delightful person I mean you're so delightful once you get to get past that I do have I put up a wall yeah but you're allowed to put up a wall that's I think the other thing I'm learning is just okay so you put up a wall so except like we said our rain technique like yeah you're allowed you put up a wall because you have a right to be guarded because a lot of people judged you and judge you and so you have a right to have boundaries thank you yeah were you um always this wonderful i know great question i knew just where you're going. Were you at the campaign the night Hillary lost?

I was not. I was, I didn't go to any of them. I mean, I wasn't invited. So I don't know. I don't think, I wasn't not invited, but I just. I just wanted to know if like you were sitting backstage when that all happened and like Lady Gaga's crying. I wanted to know what that scene looked like.

I wish that I could tell you. I was crying at home. It must have been so heavy. I was crying. I was crying at home and It must have been so heavy. I was crying. I was crying at home and my husband was like walking around. I was looking for love.

I was in Finland. I was going on a date with Rachel. Oh, wow. How bizarre that must have been. That was. I was in Finland which was like next to Russia.

And you're like isolated so you don't really know God. I was watching the Russian news. It was bizarre. That's bizarre. Oh, you had a very different experience than us. Creepy.

Yeah, it was interesting. No, I wasn't there. I wasn't there. But the night that she, like the night of the Democratic National Convention, when she took the stage to it, I was alone. I didn't know that was going to happen. And I was like, I was with my dog, and I had just gotten out of the shower, I remember, and I had it on playing.

And I remember saying to my dog, oh, mom's song. Mom's song's on TV. That's mom. Mom's song. Mom's song. That was all that happened. Mom's song. Mom's song.

Before we let you go and play our game, Do You Know Me, talk about your new song. Okay. Which is awesome. You just have a really good voice. Soldiers. You know what I like to do?

Thanks, Nick. As someone who doesn't have a good voice, and I do it more with male vocalists because I'm a guy. You are. I really like to fantasize what it would be like to have an amazing voice. And if I could have any skill that I don't have, it would be to sing. Me too. I always fantasize about it.

100%. And what is it like to be able... And I'm not trying to kiss your ass here. I don't feel that you are. But when you listen to your music, there's a lot of great singers out there. Yeah. it like to be able and i'm not trying to like kiss your ass here i don't feel that you are but you like when you listen to your music you like there's a lot of great singers out there and yeah and as someone who can't sing it's all impressive but there's certain people where they hit certain notes you're just like if i could sing the way do you sing in the at home in the shower like if i could sing

that way i would i would i would talk in song yeah i sing a lot like when you call customer service and you're really pissed off about something and you're like you have like a late payment on a credit card bill and it's so your thought you call and be like oh and the person's like let me help you rachel you seem No, but I sing all day long. My voice memo thing on my phone, most people don't even know to use it. Mine is like full and I sing all day long little melodies and kind of, yeah, I'm always singing.

I sing to my daughter all the time. When did you know you could sing? Thank you. You're so sweet. When I was little, well, my parents were like, you're very special. And I was like, well my parents were like you're very special and i was like guess what i believe you and no i'm kidding my mom should have told me i could sing i mean well i mean i think that my mom recognized when i was like actually no i know and my mom told me that when

i was very very little like probably my daughter's age that i was very verbal and um most singers and songwriters are very over verbal very early and I would sing I would sing the right like pitches and she would be like that's weird you're one two more questions before I'm gonna give you one I'm just kidding I'm just kidding I'm just kidding I was trying to be funny do you like writing or singing more I think writing writing and I it's funny you're complimenting my voice because I never thought that I was that great of a singer. Like I did know that I could sing, but I never, people used to ask me when I was struggling back in New York city and playing like small clubs,

they were like, why don't you just do American Idol? And I was like, cause I'm not that good. Like my songwriting is the thing that I'm excellent at. My songwriting is the thing that I'm excellent at my songwriting is the thing that's special but my voice isn't I'm not like you know anywhere near there but I have worked I mean no one can out effort me and Rachel doesn't believe that because you can't write the type of songs you write that require the singing that they require without having

some sort of confidence no no I believe it now I believe in I'm saying what I where I was then I'm gonna hit this note you think that's what happens in my brain? I'm going to hit this note. It's not what it's like. It's much more like stream of consciousness. It like channels and then the notes kind of bend.

But I've worked for like 20 years on my voice. I love to let people know how hard I've worked because I feel like people look at someone that they want to be where they're at and no one ever admits like the efforting. But I just want to tell everyone I worked my butt off i took voice lessons every day i i just worked so hard they just think it's a natural gift yeah they don't realize like kristin chenoweth is like yeah really working on her busting her little blonde butt yeah yeah so there are a lot of

similarities similarities that we have and i'm curious because i have my thoughts when i'm curious about yours but how did your, I guess maybe this is a better question for your parents, but they're not here. Should we call them? You have an amazing amount of confidence. A lot of it comes from the belief that your parents instilled in you, but also equal

or maybe even stronger work ethic in terms of a determination to be successful, and that doesn't always happen with someone who is constantly told they're special. That's sometimes a challenge and the balance of parenting, right? I mean, I say that as someone's not a parent. It's like you're an example. You have a stream work ethic. Yeah, but I'm just wondering how I want.

Well, I, I, I, well, I know why I have a reasons why I think that worked for me and what my parents did or more more importantly, didn't do. But I'm curious about you. I think that my parents recognized that I was already really hard on myself. Like, I am very, I don't know about you, but I am my biggest critic. And I know just, like, I would very readily share all my faults. Like, I always would do that and was very aware. And I would always try very hard.

So I think they saw like this is not someone that's going to naturally gravitate to like being big-headed. This is someone that's going to pick on themselves if we're not lifting, you know what I mean? Lifting her up. So I think, and then, I don't know if I'm answering your question. No, you are. Okay. And then my mom was also really hard on me too like they would believe in me and tell me that i was wonderful but then when it came to like piano lessons for instance my mom um

which was crazy hard on me she'd sit there like over me like a piano you know nazi and she'd be like oh is that not that's an okay word okay and she would just be like do that again do it again and my dad would come in and be like, Pam, leave her alone. And I would look at him like, I like it, dad, leave us alone. So I'm kind of crazy is the answer there. Yeah, I mean, I'm similar. Like I'm definitely my hardest critic,

but my parents, they had no problem letting other people criticize me. I mean, like coaches specifically too. You know, like I specifically too. Me too. I was given a lot of confidence, but I wasn't coddled. Me too. I was. Me too.

It's like, hey, I was taught to respect elders and things like that. Me too. And I think that was really important for not to be disciplined only by my parents. That's awesome. That's really interesting. I think that was helpful to me. That's excellent. Me too, I think. are you up for a fun game yeah wait can i tell you just anything more about my new song i really hope you guys go listen to it's called soldiers and i wrote it during quarantine and it's um you know it's my it was the way that i was dealing with my anxiety and my fear and my panic it's about and it's really just to and the intention behind it is to bring peace and calm and to kind of

center you back in who you are and remind us all who we are that we are not divided that we are you know the last line is like may sound a little corny if i say it out loud but it's all about just remembering your identity and that you're not the small self that you think you are it's we won't break we won't break we might we might fall but we won't break i have another question i'm sorry you said because you i'm one of those guys who i like i'm not good with lyrics and i don't pay attention to them i like the melodies and the songs and but sometimes when you read lyrics so what i'm saying is they always work in a song when you're writing music because it is it's sometimes different on a page than when it fits in with music and you're just like singing it it's great and then sometimes when you just like

say isolate it's like I don't know if that's embarrassing that's weird you know but like it fits so well yeah how do you do that how do you know it's gonna work um i don't know how to explain that there's a little bit of magic that happens there's a little bit of channeling that magic is the answer it's the crystal no i mean i think okay i'm gonna try to describe it as much as i can my brain looks at a song like a puzzle and the first part comes almost like it's not me like it just comes through my head it feels like it comes down through my head into my hands and my voice but then once the original inspiration happens then you have to be like a little mathematician and like puzzle it out sometimes and then it's it is like often a lot of reason and logic and thinking it's like

and you have to do that dance between that brain that's trying to edit and then the creator inside that's just trying to be like innocent inspiration so there's some um like word i don't know like i don't know how to say it worth word math that goes on yeah that makes sense is that i don't know if that's a good answer i don't know how to kind of i mean like i the only i can equate it to sometimes it's like when I, I mean, I've, I've edited, like when I like to paint or when I edit video. Yeah. What kind of paint?

Or draw. I do Bob Ross paintings and cartoons. It's amazing. Have you not seen painting with Nick on my Instagram? No, I'm 100, I'm running right to that. He does like a whole Bob Ross thing. It's amazing. I'm thrilled.

And then I do these, these videos. I started my, my quarantine videos where my hanging with ourself where it's four different versions of it's, it's, it's nervous i'm thrilled and then i do these these videos i started my my quarantine videos where my hanging with ourself where it's four different versions of it's no it's it's nervous nick and and and three other nicks social media nick oh incredible and when i do those i mean it's funny because when i do the hanging with me videos and i'm recording it and just but it was by myself and then you at the way you described it was like every time I did those I'm like this is gonna be dumb

I don't know how this is gonna work and then you kind of like massage it and you put it together and all of a sudden you're like oh

and then you see it and it's kind of weird that's exactly how a song comes the beginning is like I am a genius yeah you have a vision you have to have that first and then you're doing it

you're just like this is the worst thing that anyone's ever done. That was a terrible idea. Exactly. And then all of a sudden at the end, you reach the end

and you're like, oh, there it is. Okay. Exactly it. You nailed it. Interesting. I paint too, by the way. Okay.

I just do, you know, watercolor with my daughter. I don't know why I said that. Let's edit that out. All right. Ready for our game? Okay. Do you know me with Rachel Platten?

Now, it's real simple. Okay. We're going to ask you a series of questions. Don't answer it right away. I must stress this with you because you have great high energy and you're going to want to blurt it out, but you're going to have to hold back because we're going to guess what the answer is. What the answer is. and you're going to want to blurt it out, but you're going to have to hold back because we're going to guess. What the answer is.

What the answer is. If you have an anecdotal story to your answer, feel free to share it. You don't have to. A simple yes or no will be fine, but we enjoy stories. Question number one. Has Rachel eaten cereal for breakfast in the last week?

It's a real simple one. I'm going to say she's a mom maybe sometimes you just need some granola so sure i'm gonna go with yes i think crystals is the key to this answer and what i mean by that is cereal while i love as an adult who's conscious about self-awareness so i love cereal i eat it as a dessert. And while I'm sure she's had cereal in the past week, she has not. Now do I talk?

Yeah. Wow. That was incredible analysis, Nick. Thank you. Unbelievable. And you're 100% right on the nose. I have not had cereal in the past week. Great.

Okay. Question number two. Has Rachel ever had to break into their own house hmm again i'm gonna go with yes kevin did i 100 did how'd you do it i climbed in the bathroom window. Oh, wow. Yeah. Multiple times. I forget keys. So that's the key to that one.

I'm actually shocked I don't. Because I'm a forgetful person. I'm a forgetful person. I'm not forgetful. Actually, at all. I have a great memory. I'm absent-minded. Me too.

Me too. I'll look for keys that are in my hand. Me too. We are the same person. Where are they? Oh, shit. Yeah. Question number three. Does Rachel collect anything?

Yes. It's so broad. Anything? I'm going to say yes. Crystals. Fans. Oh, she collects fans. Oh.

She collects souls. Inspiration. She collects. Yes. Yes, she collects things. I don't. Doesn't need any comment from me. Yes. Yes, she collects things. It doesn't need any comment from me. Yes, yes, I do. Has Rachel ever been stuck in an elevator?

No, but she has a fear of it. I'm going to say no as well. I have not, but I have been stuck in a bathroom at a recording studio by yourself by myself and the producer and the writer were they were partaking in some you know weed and they were really really out they were really stoned and they hadn't noticed how long I'd been gone and what like it had been two hours and they finally were like, yo, is your girl okay? Anyway. Wasn't a great anecdote.

I see that now. No reaction. Can Rachel, has Rachel seen five Adam Sandler movies? Yes. Yes. Yes. Final question. Does Rachel wash her legs in the shower?

Right? I'm going to say yes. I think it's a weird question. I didn't realize people did not wash their legs. Well, that's what I was going to say, but now I read this question aloud, and I think it's more specific for men. Maybe. Because women definitely wash their legs. I can't say that every time I'm in the shower,

I go all the way down the angle and back up. Yeah, women wash their legs. And I feel like women do. I definitely kind of give like a half ass, kind of like a one. Like, you know, it'll... Yeah, sometimes mine is a little like,

like, I got it. I believe in trickle down economics when it comes to washing my legs. Okay, that's great. I understand what you're saying. Like, shampoo is definitely... It'll get there. Yeah, I got you, bro.

Yeah. I'm such an overly clean person that this is. Oh, no, no. Me too. I'm so clean. I'm so OCD. I shower twice a day. Yeah.

I'm not OCD, though. But Nick's right. Sometimes I don't put in the full. The full. I don't always have time. My toddler's sitting right there. She's like, no. Rachel, this has been an absolute pleasure.

It's been a ton of fun. This was really fun. Please remind people where they can find you. Listen to your song. It's an amazing song. Thank you. It's another inspirational hit. And we need these in these times.

Aw, thanks, guys. The world needs more. The world does. I mean, I think artists are all doing their own thing, but I think it would be so beautiful if other artists were like, let me speak to these times and try to lift us up a little more. But everyone's doing their own thing, but I think it would be so beautiful if other artists were like, let me speak to these times and, and try to lift us up a little more, but everyone's doing their own thing.

Yeah. But thank you. Thank you so much. Where can they find you? Oh, right. Sorry. They can find me.

Rachel Platten, my name. I don't know. Instagram, TikTok. I'm new on TikTok. How's that going? I mean,

my first video Back was like Went very viral And I was like This is exhausting I don't know how to keep up with this I was on there for like four days It's really like

I went It came in hot and heavy And then I was like Faded out And I put up one That got like You know A couple thousand

I was like I'm done Okay It didn't validate you So okay It wasn't like your mom Exactly I called her right after

I was like I'm still special right? Yeah Instagram Whatever Wherever you guys go that's where i am uh well this has been amazing thank you so much thanks for doing everything you're doing congrats on all your success and future success and thank you for being so open about motherhood and and being vulnerable and uh thanks nick you too and thanks for listening guys uh don't forget to send your questions to ask nick at castme.com uh rachel's too. And thanks for listening, guys. Don't forget to send your questions to AskNickAtCastMe.com. Rachel's definitely going to come back for one of our Ask Nick episodes and give relationship advice

to our audience. That would be fun. I haven't even asked her yet. Rachel might come back. I'm just kidding. Rachel will come back. I would love to. Or we'll invite your parents

because you're therapists. That would be great. Oh my God, yes. That would be so good. Me and my mom together. Great. She'd dominate, though. None of us would be able to talk. I love it. Me and my mom together. Great. She'd dominate though. None of us would be able to talk.

I love it. I want your mom to come so she can be like, wow, he's good at giving advice. You have to go. They're giving you the cutout. Bye. Bye.