The Viall Files - E190 The Bachelorette Recap With ABC Executive Rob Mills

Episode Date: October 28, 2020

We are joined today by ABC Senior Vice President of Alternative Series, Specials, & Late Night Programming, Robert Mills. If you want an inside look at The Bachelorette, then get ready as Nick and Rob talk in detail about what happened on this weeks episode, when they started to realize Clare was about to “blow up The Bachelorette”, and how are things going with Matt James. We even get Rob to let us in on some Dancing With The Stars updates and a conversation he had with one of the contestants that could have changed the path for many fan favorites of The Bachelor franchise.   “There is honest and real, and then there is whatever it was that you did.” Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes.  THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Bubs Naturals: http://www.bubsnaturals.com use promo code VIALL for 20% off your first order.  Greenpan: http://www.greenpn.us use promo code VIALL to receive 30%off your entire order plus free shipping on orders over $50. Natural Habits: http://www.nhoils.com use code KRISSY at check out for 30% off.  Episode Socials:  @viallfiles @nickviall @millsy11374 See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

what is going on everybody welcome back for the second time this week part two of three of this week your bachelorette recap with very special guest my friend and abc executive rob mills he's a returning guest he oversees all alternative television on abc including the bachelor franchise as well as things like jimmy kimmel the oscars all the great game shows you see on abc and uh dancing with the stars he was kind enough to join us to recap this episode the Oscars, all the great game shows you see on ABC. New Year's resolutions. And Dancing with the Stars. He was kind enough to join us to recap this episode, answer some questions that we have.

We also touch into some Dancing with the Stars, some fun facts about Caitlin and Chris Schell I did not know about, and some Bachelorette crossover, as well as things that are going on this, uh, season that, are quite confusing. Yeah.

He gave us some clarity over there. Well, yeah, a little bit. I danced around clarity. I'm, uh, I've enjoyed Claire.

I am ready to get to Tasha. It's, yeah, it's starting to get uncomfortable a little bit. Yeah. Could you imagine being the guys? I can't imagine. Yeah.

Well, they'll be fine. So, yeah, it's a great episode. We, again, appreciate Rob taking the time. Make sure to tune in tomorrow for a fantastic episode with Ryan Hadden, a life coach and hypnotist who we have just a great conversation about the importance of having a relationship with yourself. How often we forget about that dismiss it, how that plays a role into our relationships with other people, and how if we aren't ready to enable to love ourselves, then it's really quite frankly, we're never going to and able to love ourselves, then it's really, quite frankly,

we're never going to be at a place to have the most fulfilling relationship with a partner. So I really enjoyed talking to Ryan, and I know you will too. Make sure to tune in tomorrow for that. And as always, hopefully, please subscribe. Rate us five stars. We appreciate it. Thank you all for voting for The People's Choice.

It really means a lot. I know you guys all did that, or some of you. Whoever, if you did, thank you very much. And anything else? We just get to Rob. Let's get to Rob. Rob, thanks so much for coming.

Welcome back. Great seeing you, buddy. It's always, always good to see you. Have I not seen you since? I don't know. We probably messaged, but I don't think I've seen you since then. That's why I always have you in

just to kind of catch up. It's like a meeting and a podcast all at the same time. I feel like this is a great episode to have you on as the executive who oversees The Bachelor on ABC. A lot of questions in Bachelor Nation, and maybe you can shed some light on them. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, it's funny, because the first time I came in and the first thing you said was like what a weird episode yeah this episode was weird and i feel like we're at that tipping point uh before we get into uh the bachelor you have another very popular show on tv right now dancing with the stars my friend caitlin is crushing it she

is crushing um how is the season going from from your point of view and it sounds like you got a new host and ratings are doing well it's been good i don't know how much you've been watching but i've watched caitlin's yeah dances and i'm chris shells who was on on the podcast oh right yeah and pita who recently just left as my former partner actually it's a weird so So just one quick aside, just not to keep going off on tangents. So with Chrishell, it's funny you mentioned that. She would never remember this.

I actually have had lunch with Chrishell. This was about 10 or 11 years ago. Really? To talk about being The Bachelorette. Come on. Because... Stop. We were going to do a...

This is a big exclusive, a BioFiles exclusive. Thank you, Rob. Yeah. I love it. And so we were talking about what do we put on in the, you know, summers when we debut a lot of new, that's when Dancing premiered and Survivor originally premiered. There's summers where a lot of alternative programming starts.

And we had been doing stuff that wasn't really working so we're like well what's something we could do that we know will work and this is when bachelorette didn't i don't know if anyone remembers this but there was a time when bachelorette was sort of done just like every so often when they decided to do it yeah well that's then that's why you have like season 20 whatever the bachelor that's right in 15 or 16 of the batch that's exactly right yeah there was like four bachelors for every one bachelorette so i i remember saying well let's just do bachelorette like that's the the you know the bar for success is lower in the summer because that's i think why bachelorette wasn't done as much because it didn't do as well as bachelor did sure so we committed to okay we're just going to

do bachelorette and so at that point we didn't know if we do who who was going, okay, we're just going to do Bachelorette. And so at that point, we didn't know who it was going to be. So we were looking for people. And our casting director said, oh, we should meet with this girl, Chrishell Stout. She's amazing. And we had this incredible lunch. I think it was at the Beverly Hills Hotel. And just she was awesome.

And I was convinced. I'm like, this is the Bachelorette. This is the Bachelorette. What happened? And then Brad Womack's season aired. And that's when he let go of both girls and one of them was diana okay and then there was everybody including i remember ellen degeneres actually calling the president of abc at the time saying this woman needs to be the bachelorette this is before we even said we were going to do a bachelorette sure and it was at that was like, well, how do we not do that?

Wow. And then the rest is, like, the whole thing of what could have happened. What was Chrishell doing at that time? Was she acting? She was an actress. I think she was on All My Children at the time. But, yeah, it could have been, Chrishell could have been the Bachelorette. We wouldn't have had Deanna. And then we wouldn't have thought to have Jason Mesnick.

Wow. Nick, where would you be right now? I might not be the Bachelor. That's not be the bachelor nick you'd be in wisconsin yeah selling software i know being some sort of mid-level manager that's right yeah you know exactly so anyway so that's a moment to really it's a weird it's so bizarre and um i wonder if she'd remember i i haven't really seen her it's it's bizarre and dancing because everybody has to be so distanced i haven't did she know she was having a meeting to be the bachelorette or was she just oh no it was a lunch to talk about being bachelorette she must have remembered i don't

know if she'd remember now like because it was so she'd rather forget that having maybe she would i don't know exactly a lot has happened again the butterfly effect of but it comes full circle now is she is a reality TV star. Now she's on Dancing with the Stars. And then she's on Dancing with the Stars. She's doing well as well. She's doing great. I think she's doing.

I think this one is interesting. I think part of the reason for the ratings being up, I think it is. I think Tyra, there's been a lot of curiosity about that. There was obviously the best thing for dancing is when you can launch it with somebody that it's like, well, what the hell is that going to be like? And that was Carole Baskin, obviously. Yeah. Well done. And then it was great that she was only on a couple of weeks like that was it wasn't like a Sean Spicer or one of those things where it's like she's on way too long.

And now I think it is just every I think everybody's great. I think it's going to be really difficult to see who is... Every week, it's going to be kind of a shocking upset. Yeah, because it's some pretty... You've got Caitlin doing well. You've got Chris Schell. You've got... Is it Nev?

Nev. He's doing well. Nelly. Jeannie Mai. Jeannie Mai. Jeannie Mai is one of those ones that I sort of thought, you know, okay, she'll be good or whatever. But she, to to me has been

the the real surprise and justina from that's my girl time too is uh the the olympic figure skater johnny weir is he still on johnny weir uh johnny weir is still on okay um but uh yeah vernon went home last week so yeah is johnny victim of being expected to be great? No, I don't think so. I think everybody now, in a weird way, is expected to be great. Because they all have... Neve, I think people didn't expect. He has a lot of dance training that nobody would have known.

So he's better than expected. But I think now everybody knows everybody's good. When Caitlyn got that Lady Gaga plug episode one. I mean, that was amazing. That was kind of did it. But it's incredible how much love there. And as you know, Nick, like Caitlyn, this was a long time coming. You know, she was on the show and then was pulled off.

And I always, you know, obviously I think everyone felt bad about that. And I think she was really upset and didn't. I think it was much more about Chris Soules had been on the season before. And then really was all about dancing and not about. God, who did he pick that season? Whitney. That's right. And I think that sort of soured people at the franchise of like,

okay, you can't be doing this just to go on Dancing with the Stars. So she unfortunately, you know, caught some trap. No one was the victim of that. Totally. I actually think this was the perfect season for her. It's funny how it worked. You know, things tend to work out. I mean, I'm sure Caitlin would have did well then,

but probably more fun. I feel like now she also sort of knows herself. She's not just the bachelorette Caitlin. Like, she's somebody who... It turns out she's a talented singer, and it's leveraging, you know... Yeah, absolutely. She wouldn't have been dropping songs.

She wouldn't have... No, absolutely. On Dancing with the Stars. I think it's great. And I think seeing Jason be on this sort of journey with her has been great as well. And Jason, great guy. Oh, he's so great. World champion, supportive boyfriend.

Which I think is a contrast to what she used to have. Yeah, I think it's definitely nice. I mean, I remember, I think it was just seeing how much Caitlin still was beloved. So I remember talking to the Bachelor producers and saying, I think if you guys are okay with it, we should put her on Dancing. Now is the right time. And then being able to tell her on that Greatest Seasons Ever and just watching Jason.

Yeah, it was a lot of fun. To me, when I rewatch that, I actually like watching Jason because he's so happy for her. He's great. Caitlin got on dancing with the stars and i got a painting with me and chris harrison that's i know which is about about to say but i got the stars no this is always my favorite thing with you because you did you love dancing and you were so great yeah so whenever it's a thief so this week it's horror villains night like which

one would you have been horror villains yeah is it disney related no it's not it's just because it's halloween like nelly is gonna do freddy krueger juice i would have wanted to like in my my dream if i could pull it off i don't know if i would it would have been like thriller right oh interesting that would have been good like do a zombie thriller dance that would have been good if i could like pull off the moves that would have Oh, that would have been good. If I could pull off the moves. That would have been awesome. That would have been kind of cool. I wish you were on that season.

Yeah. What else? I don't know. Pennywise might have been good for you. Edward Scissorhands. Edward Scissorhands. Pennywise. Edward Scissorhands. Yeah.

Pennywise. Yikes. Is anyone being Pennywise? Pennywise. I don't think so I think Vernon was actually gonna do it And then got voted off unfortunately Gotcha

But I think Carrie Ann might do it As a judge I was really surprised And conflicted by Like last year Halloween came out And there are some attractive women friends I have That really pulled off You know how Halloween's always about

Like the sexy You can make any costume sexy. And I was like, I'm as going as Pennywise. I'm like, well. Was there a sexy Pennywise? No, and I was like, way to go against the grain. Just be the monster, right? No, no.

They pulled off. And I was like, I'm weirdly turned on. This is uncomfortable. It was a whole thing. They really can get creative. I hope you didn't hook up with Pennywise. Talk to your therapist about that, maybe. Pardon me i hope you didn't talk to your therapist about that maybe yeah not not you should talk to your therapist yeah i probably should it was it was

really disturbing i was like i don't know um well let's get to uh the bachelorette yeah shall we it's it's been an interesting season so far uh how are you feeling about it well i think i feel good i mean i think that claire was exactly what we thought she'd be which is claire unpredictable okay you know so you guys that's kind of the big question is and i i know claire a little bit and i've always given i didn't know i thought you would know each other better actually i've only met her two or three times and always briefly we were you know we never were on the same show we're kind of from the same generation if you will of in the show but i'm trying to think of yeah i'm trying to think yeah i guess that is she was on juan pablo's you know andy's and then her two

times on paradise was oh god you're right so you did overlap by one season yeah and that's right and then you were on paradise probably right after her and but they and there were like a couple events i've met her um yeah i don't know her all too well um but uh well she also sort of faded and this was what was really appealing to us when we met with her last february um she'd kind of faded out of the spot like she was just back in Sacramento being a hairdresser and she really came into it with like a you know yeah look if you guys want me that's totally great I'd be honored I would love it if not get it too you know so it was great but she just she really just wanted to make this happen well this morning I woke up and as I sometimes do, it felt a little stiff,

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god please let and then she did have her one-on-one with you and it was like okay i think we have a horse race here but it was really josh always gonna be josh yeah you know it just was and it's it's Jojo and Jojo will be on later in the season I totally forgot about that Jojo you know with she's gonna be filling for Harrison yeah and she talks a little bit about it too like you know she kind of knew night one it was Jordan even though she she let herself say okay I gotta and I think Andy did as well I think that's pretty common right so that was where it was here it was like okay Claire will you know there'll be some She let herself say, okay, I got to. And I think Andy did as well. I think that's pretty common, right? So that was where it was here. It was like, okay, Claire, there'll be some other people.

And we sort of saw it a little bit in the first few episodes. Blake Moynes, her kind of time with her on night one. And some of the other guys, we've had a few one-on-one dates. But nothing to where, that was the big worry at this point. It was like, okay, it's just going to be Dale going from episode one to episode 10. When, when you guys started filming and then quickly not even started filming,

when everyone showed up and then Corona happened, were you guys worried about the fact that so many of the guys were released and everyone's going to go back and the integrity of the show, or were you just like, well, I guess we'll just see what happens. Let it it play out there was so many other things to worry about i don't think that was even a thought okay because it was just like god are we even gonna have the show sure that was so that and that was such an undertaking i mean i can't say enough

about what the producers did i mean they had to put together a 40 page document because these are big corporations it's warner brothers it's disney it's you have to show them that you're not putting anyone at risk so that was the the least of our worries was claire's going to see some of these guys gotcha well that makes sense and the the fringe benefit was a lot of these guys then we got to cast some newer guys yeah more times are more age appropriate so it wasn't like every one of these guys was there gotcha but dale was was one of them dale was one of them um so this episode kicks off and kind of that cliffhanger is joseph joseph joseph uh he cut joseph sucks yeah right he does suck yeah he sucks you know you know you suck when

in that world you have a plan and you tell your plan to your peers, your peers who have a rooting interest in your demise. And they're like, maybe don't do that. Yeah. Like, you know, it's a bad idea. Yeah, that's right. Because usually, I mean, if, you know, there are other people question producer influence. Like, listen, if they were worried that Yosef would back down. That's right.

They might have been like, go talk to Claire. But no, he's talking, hanging out with the guys, telling him his plan. influence like listen if they if they were worried that joseph would back down that's right they might have been like go talk to claire but no he's talking hanging out with the guys telling him his plan the guys are like i don't know man seems like a bad idea yeah i mean that was that was pretty bad i mean he clearly was not a threat to anyone but it was also just was like the tone of it was just so nasty like i'm just gonna go and browbeat this woman yeah about something that really i have no rooting interest in i mean that was my favorite thing the first thing claire says is that's why you weren't on the date great you know so she's been great at responding and and holding her own in these these conflicts well you know yeah as you

know every lead is different. And some of them, you know, there have been some times where, like, Chris has to step in. And he actually did tonight. We can talk about that later. But for the most part, she's somebody who is ready and, you know, will handle it herself and just knows what she's going to say.

And the fact that, like, because the one thing Yosef did do was he came in and it was as if it's like, oh, one thing Yosef did do was he came in and it was as if it's like, oh, can I just steal her for a minute? And he sits down like, she's sort of like, yeah, okay. Let me, let me hear it. Let me talk to you. You know?

And then she immediately was like ready. She's really calm. And like at first she, you could tell, it was interesting cause she, she didn't know what his agenda was. Yeah. Is it like, does he want to say something nice is it like she was like she was taking it all in where is he going with this and then she's like trying to relate he's just like yeah uh she goes i couldn't believe this

she's like yeah my mom's dying yeah that's right and he cuts her off he's's like, excuse me, I'm not finished. That was the best I know. The woman just said, my mom is dying and you're such an asshole. And disinterested in what she has to say. And she said it in a way where she's trying to find common ground. Like, I totally get it. You've left your daughter. Like, we're in this together. Maybe we can bond over this.

And it's like adult talking. Oh, my God. I'm like, what a horrible human you are. I know. And then he just like adult talking oh my oh my god i'm like what a horrible human you are i know and then he just like yeah then he likes and he's like and then second and then he like almost half smiles like he can't wait to get it off his chest and then it's just like you said it's insult after insult yeah it's just like we get it right you didn't like that you don't have like yeah and he's like in case i haven't hurt your feelings yet let me keep going it's just like yeah what are the key points here your age uh let me see uh

it's an embarrassment yeah exactly this whole time god i hate i really hate it when when people on the show who have kids come on the show and use their kids as like an excuse for either their behavior or choices they make or they're so worried how things come across it's like first of all if you're so obsessed with protecting your kid and what they don't go on a reality tv show right absolutely and i'm parents can go on the show but if you're going to be such a tightly wound person like that didn't then maybe well you certainly don't strike at least me as somebody who's there looking for a stepmother for his time for your child also like the only thing you gave an example of is make sure you in the future show this clip to your daughter of how

you should not talk to women oh my gosh i know it was really brutal to watch as like it was brutal to watch and because she was kind of being like okay i just listened to you for 20 minutes please just let me respond to you and then he just kept going and going and going and there's only one way thing to do there she can only be like a little bit defensive and try to protect herself from this like craziness he was the bad He was the bad breaker-upper on Seinfeld. Yes, exactly. But even that, you're exactly right. It almost feels like he just came on with this plan of like, I'm just waiting for when I can go and give this speech and just.

He like confused like the people who are like, oh, I just want to be, you know me, I'm going to be honest and real. It's like you're just being an asshole. No, that was like there's honest and real, and then there's whatever it was that you did yeah if you don't like listen i know people had opinions about the double standard of the date or whatever whether like fine like the show has i mean on crystal season they had women in bikinis on tractors that we can go that's right like we've i've done some embarrassing things on the show it's like again fine but if it's not for you why did you show up right you know and and yeah and and you wouldn't be on that day like i do get it by the way if you're like i don't want to do something that also if he was on that date he could have said

i've got a daughter at home i don't feel like stripping down. I'm not going to, you know. I don't think Claire would have shamed him. No, nobody would have shamed him. She would have said, I totally understand. Yosef, you're exempt from the stripping because, you know, I get it. You have a daughter at home. Yeah.

And while Claire maybe suggested, who knows where the idea came from, these guys seem willing participants. Absolutely. They were all like, like oh you want me to take my pants i'll also i'm pretty sure that at the when the game was over claire didn't even ask them half the guys were like oh wait i'm supposed to get naked and like willingly took the rest of their clothes off also by the way that place it was so damn hot like most of us if you wanted to go out and do anything i remember we played pickleball once. It was not till 9.30 at night because it was so damn hot.

It's hot. You're going crazy. You know, you're just looking for something to break up the monotony. And you know what it's like too. It's like you're there. You're sort of, you know, why not? Yeah. So Yosef sucks.

Yeah. For the rest of his life, he will be the person you just swipe left on. I don't think, yeah, exactly. What I think, he will be a footnote. Like, I don't think he'll ever return in any iteration of a Bachelor thing. And he'll be, I mean, it's funny. I think it's amazing how quickly we then forget about these guys. I mean, there was a guy on Ashley A. Bear's season, Bentley, who was like the famous, like, you know,

I can't wait to break up with her. I hope my hair looks good. Just, you know, completely know completely because she was like that was the front runner at that point and now it's sort of like he's he's a footnote i'm sure he's somebody that you know he walks around and has a normal life and it's fine and that will be yosef at some point but he was the my pick is it was weird because i i know who you're talking about i've seen clips of him and there have been other people with certainly bad moments but he looked like he enjoyed being mean well it was crazy when he said something out of it he's like you're almost instead of like you're 39 you're almost 40 or something like that like

yeah and it was everything short of like you know you, you're about to expire. Yeah. Like it was just crazy. Also, like you can maturity at any, like. It just was. Who said she had to be the most mature bachelorette? Right. Maybe she wants to, you know, what does that mean? I mean, that's right. First of all, how do we measure maturity?

Certainly on this show. Yeah. But it was, yeah, it was just bizarre. Well, it's back to school season. I don't know if your kids are in school or you're teaching from home, but either way it can be stressful. It can give you a headache. So make sure if you are struggling from headaches to try essential oils.

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He's like, where was he when this was going on? It just aired kind of weird where it was all of a sudden Dale's there. There he is, yeah. That's usually Chris Harrison's job to appear from out of nowhere. Tonight it's Dale. Dale. He's just like, I got this, Chris. That's right.

And then we get this kind of the that classic in in love music in in you know obviously like you guys know what happens right so it's being aired in a way where we're just yeah accepting dale and claire as a as a couple yes more and more um and so claire lets us know that she's she's falling in love with yeah i mean that's that's definitely a big thing is you play up. If somebody is, whether it's a frontrunner or where they're going to be, that, yeah, they're sort of the, this is the bonding moment. Because it is about bonding moments. It's about those things that really sort of push you together.

Totally. And so then, okay, we're on to the next week, I guess. And then there's a group date. And this is more you know Claire and Dale and then the rest of the guys basically realizing it's Claire and Dale this is when it started

to take a turn to where it's like okay this is getting not untenable but this is different yeah so you know and then was that the... So wait, was that the date where Claire cancels, if Deanna shows up?

Claire canceled the day part of the date. Okay. Yeah, the day part. Deanna came in. Which is such... I know EZ was upset about it. Yeah. He just doesn't know the difference,

but he just probably saved himself from, like, you know... Right. Jumping jacks in slime or some embarrassing thing. And he just doesn't know the difference, but he just probably saved himself from, like, you know, jumping jacks in slime or some embarrassing thing. You know, and especially here, there's no travel. You know, it's not like, oh, we were going to go explore, you know, classic ruins in Greece or something. It's like, you're at La Quinta in Palm Springs. You're probably going to go and sweat your ass off. That's right, exactly. Or a belly flop thing in have a push your ass off and that's right exactly

or a belly flop yes in the pool who knows so that's exactly right but you're also looking to get out too and and honestly any time at this point with claire is important so i get but you're right it's like it wasn't that big of a deal but yeah diana comes in you guys and they have a talk and she it's she's just basically like i love dale yeah she's like okay and then it's it's just like this tightrope of claire trying to still be the bachelorette but also falling for dale and diana was a different bachelorette to where you know it's like had it been jojo having that conversation she might have said like that's great that you know it's him but you know don't forget there's other guys here even though in her case again i think she knew it was jordan yeah and it was jordan but yeah diana i think was more like a wow i can just see it on your face and and and claire is very

whatever claire's feeling you always see it on her face. Yeah, absolutely. Which I think makes it very entertaining. She's very excited about owning a pair of his pants, which is great. Yeah. So they go on the date, and then obviously Claire, Dale wants, here's where Dale kind of like, he's walking this tightrope. And I see both sides.

I've been in Dale's position where i feel like i'm getting a lot of attention and i'm this is great i want the attention from the girl i like great and then you're just worried about what are the guys right what the guy is going to do and i get the guy's point of view they're just like this this is above and beyond of like i mean i know she likes him but jesus if anything you'd think she would be normally she'd be like okay you know dale you and i like you know this is great i'm gonna go and give the give the other guys a chance she yeah she just she seems to like mentally check out when she's with dale she definitely does i think that's right i think if anything sometimes those guys are the ones that

like you almost would have thought after night one he'd be the one that didn't get a date week two. Yeah. And then he gets special time at the cocktail party. Well, I'm. But he just can't help it. Yeah. Like, again, with, you know, Vanessa, it's not like I didn't know Vanessa was the one night one, but she was my front runner.

If she's a front runner, it's almost like, OK, yeah, you're the front runner. It's great. There's still 20 some odd women. That's right. Yeah. So like, okay, you're the front runner. It's great. There's still 20 some odd women here. That's why, yeah. So like Vanessa, I have told this story. Vanessa was the only one who wasn't going to get the first impression rose. Right. That's why she never got a group date rose.

Because I was like, I like you. And I want to make sure that I don't give myself away. Exactly. That's right. And so Clara's just like, nah. And here's my question to you. When Dale got, I think is his already second group date rose, were you guys already having conversations behind the scenes

of changing the season? Because to me, it's just like, I mean, Claire's going to give it who she wants to, but there's a negotiation sometimes. Or Dale's already gotten one. Or is it just like... No, it was definitely... She was... Again, she's very strong. She has these it just like no it was definitely she was again she's she's very strong she has these feels like this is what she wanted she had insisted that dale be on that first group date like she because again i think it probably would have been like okay dale

usually you don't yeah you don't often the first impression i remember brad womack second season emily maynard didn't get go that first week yeah and then he went and set up the night to rose ceremony cocktail party he set up like a little picnic just for her to say you know like i wanted to make sure that you know you knew you got some really extra special time yeah and that's probably what would happen with dale yeah like it wasn't like okay this is a great idea let's have claire and dale i didn't i got the first impression rose on andy's season didn't have a date the second that's right you know like it's kind of pretty common it's just like all right you make sense because it's like okay you're there let's see what else is out there there's still so many people uh so dale gets his well i guess before he gets his second group date

rose you know i feel again i feel for dale he goes back and gets more time i got no problem with someone getting more time. But he lied. And it's because I really liked how easy it was. It's like, hey, man, I get it. Right. I love easy. He's super easy. He's super chill.

Yeah. He's the best. He's just like, just let this be real. Like, it's fine. You're breaking the rules. You're being greedy with your time. I get it, man. But don't treat us like idiots,

which I totally get and totally respect. And Dale, that's where it read like, just own up to it. He just kept lying. He kept being that politician. He's being accused of being, or it's just like,

we know the truth. Treat us like adults. And he, he, that's where, that was my really only criticism of Dale. This episode is that one moment where it was like, why you lying right i think yeah just i i think this is nobody knows quite how to treat this i don't think he knows what to do that is true and this is i

remember at this point this is where i started to think gosh the real shame of it is that they're not on paradise right now because it would have changed everything yeah like this is yeah this this would have been great they would have been able to go off they would have been there the entire time we never would have seen them the rest of the series until the end right the jet because that's the worst couple yeah the jade and tanner you never see until the end where they propose yeah but it would have been great that's it's so of all and of course with claire because nothing ever comes easy to claire it's like she's been on paradise two times she you know she was on winter games and now the one

time she's the bachelorette it's where she would have been better off in that group setting and paris that's that's a great point i never really thought about that and yeah so that was about and that is when it did there's always been we've always had that contingency in the back of our mind of like, well, what if a lead quits? Or what if somebody happens? Or what if, you know, there's always been a worst case scenario that it's literally mentioned once in a breath and then never again. I was going to ask you that. I've heard rumblings on other seasons that there were at least conversations about maybe replacing a lead or having... Never. I think maybe sometimes you sort of fantasize about that, like, oh, that'd be so cool, or wouldn't that be great?

But it never got beyond when you're just speculative, what if? Okay, gotcha. But it certainly is not a foreign idea yeah i'm not you could almost argue after how many seasons shocking that right it took this long for but it was always about they're gonna walk off or um and you know as as the lead as somebody you have moments where you're like i'm done i'm out you know, every day. You feel like that. So it is always the, gosh, if that really happens, what would we do? Yeah.

It was sort of never the, oh my gosh, what if they've met this person and we had to just shut the whole thing down? Yeah, that is crazy. But this is when that started to become real. Okay. And so now that, that date, Dale gets the group date rose.

Then we go on to the one-on-one. Yes. No, the one-on-one with Zach. Yeah. With Zach. Can you shed some light on, on what happened? Because it,

it's obviously, it looked like kind of a very uncomfortable situation. Yeah. I think it was just a confluence of events of like her head she really was tried she still was and again so it wasn't like ringing the alarm bells like oh my god like we've got to get we got to shut everything down bring somebody new in but it still was she she really was trying on that date and she she talks about that too so i think it was then and i think just the chemistry wasn't there and then it was just

that awkward moment with the with the kiss and then you see i mean i think it's sort of explained that he he just sort of grabbed her in a way it does it reads like yeah it does read aggressive like she kisses him he i don't know he like didn't give her anything he didn't pull away there was a confusion. Then he... Well, he was so upset by the fact he... I think he just wanted to say, like, no, no, I did want to kiss. I don't... But yeah, he goes to grab her as if he's trying to pull her in.

But then she pulls away. So then it looks really aggressive and uncomfortable. I mean, Claire is sort of... When we talked to her, when we met with her about being Bachelorette, she had mentioned, she said, you know, no matter what happens, I just want to say thank you, because the Juan Pablo experience, I've never realized it, but when I said that to him, I was actually talking to every horrible relationship I've had, and I found my voice, and I became stronger. And she alluded to that there were some bad relationships, and she's talked about it here,

but nothing more, you know that that i know of i mean maybe some of the producers who were like day-to-day and super close know the specifics but clearly she's been in relationships where it was not you know there was i don't know if there's abuse or what it was but as she said like i was triggered by that whether he meant it or not um so then you know so chris comes in yeah at that point it's like okay already everybody's behind with dale anyway like zach like there's just there's no way to make up that ground okay so yeah it was it was as a viewer it was like is this i don't know if this like is there more to this? I don't think there was, but I think, again, Claire's very decisive. She was like, you know, there's no point in sitting and having dinner.

Yeah. And I think every lead is different. I think some bachelors would be like, okay, we can have dinner and we'll see what happens. And that makes sense. I mean, she was uncomfortable and I guess there's no point in. There isn't. I think you take was uncomfortable, and I guess there's no point in... There isn't. I think you take down the equation, maybe there was. And maybe it would have been a completely...

They could have talked about this, and she could have seen. But I think that she's getting to that point. And it's weird. It's, you know, we talk about butterfly effects. Like, maybe... I think this is one of the things, too, where she's just thinking, there's just no point to this. You know?

And we heard it... I think it was on the group date with Dale where she's talking to Chris, like, okay, let's hurry this up. Let's go. Yeah, let's hurry it along. Yeah, she tells somebody, let's hurry it along and get through the rest of these guys out. And it's one thing after one thing after one thing, and it's just telling her, like, no, I know where I want to be,

and it's not here. Okay, yeah. So zach's gone um and then we so we go back then what's next after that she goes into another group date the group another group date the roast the roast okay yeah yeah it seems like whether it was either on bachelorette or your time as bachelorette that would have been a perfect date for you which how, how so? Because you have a very good sense of humor about yourself, and you just have a good sense of humor in general, but you certainly are somebody who... It depends on... I would have appreciated...

You certainly take it good. I always feel like, you know, you've been roasted a lot, and you take it in stride. Yeah, I have. I've had to to survive. Yeah, even just your Badger in Paradise credit. That was, yeah. That was one of my favorites. Yeah.

So they have the roast, which, again, I've kind of enjoyed how the producers have adjusted to the new norm. Quarantine, you can't. Yeah, absolutely. And it all still works. It's the simplicity of it all. You don't even really need

the extravagant acts or the crowds which would be a nice mix up but like yeah i mean episode three this is roughly what we'd be doing anyway in la yeah you know we'd be doing a roast um i mean we did one caitlin season that was literally right down the street from here with amy schumer which was right before i showed up yes that's right exactly so um yeah see you would have missed that damn it it would have been so great yeah uh and i've never i've always wanted to meet amy schumer and i haven't had no she was very nice yeah which that really was catapulted like she she was she it was before she was mainstream she had done inside amy sure but i remember I had seen an early cut of Trainwreck.

Oh, you had? So she had done that because I remember telling her, like, oh, it was really good. I thought it was great. So she was just about to really explode. Yeah. But it was a big deal for, I remember for us, it was like, that's, you know, sometimes you get them. That was smart on you because she was going to explode either way.

But she had liked it so that was great but you know normally you know it just depends on the caliber. Like I remember we had Luke Bryan right before but then other times it's just like who are you and what are you doing here? You never know. But yeah she really blew up after that. That's cool to know that you had seen Trainwreck

and you kind of got ahead of it. Yes. Yeah but it was more she was a fan of the show and we were excited and but yeah so we'd done that but margaret cho we had who was also fantastic she how did that happen she a fan of the show or she's a fan of the show and you know was again wasn't really doing anything was happy i mean she had to come in quarantine yeah like that's a big deal so margaret Cho, thank you. Yeah. Thank you, Margaret. She really, that's true. To, like, really go.

It's a big deal, yeah. After quarantine. And I hope everybody tuned into the credits to watch Claire, which were jokes, you know, Margaret helped her. I loved her. That was Margaret. Her Claire, her roast of Chris was pretty funny. That was pretty funny.

By the way, don't you think now the journey right before you yeah right before you see all the do you say let the journey begin i i i'm wondering now like if he started doing that to he's probably like i never thought of that but now i'm gonna yeah we should ask lauren yeah exactly um so the roast starts and quickly we realize these guys have had about enough of Dale. Yeah. I give Dale a lot of credit. He definitely...

Well, he seems to have one facial expression, which is a very nice smile. He knows it's a nice smile. And a smolder. It's like a smoldering eye with a smile. Whether he's getting roasted, whether he's, you know, the guys are screaming about taking all the time with claire or modeling for party city it's the same look yeah you know i i told this to to rob before we started that uh nikki uh glazer our guest last week was uh in the streets of new york and new

york is a quieter city than usual these days and it was she was driving it was her and her friend at a stoplight and the only person on the street who walked by was dale last week i don't know just a random that is bizarre pretty bizarre pretty random it starts to think all these stories we talked about everything like it's you just start to see where we really are all connected yeah we're all connected it's very bizarre dale dale is doing costume uh poses. That's right. But yeah, so he sits and he takes it in stride. Do you know if there was more?

I mean, there's always more to the dates because there's only so much they can show. But was it really just all Dale or was that what we got to see? No, there's always. A lot of it was just horrible jokes. Like these guys are, you can't get, you know, Bargain can't, you know, when a roast happens, it's weeks and weeks. And a lot of it, Nikki is the greatest at it right now, I think. The greatest. She is the best. And she does her own stuff.

And then she'll also help, you know, when somebody like Martha Stewart shows up or somebody who's not that, or Claire, obviously. So it was a lot of just bad jokes that they, you know, they tried. And obviously the best ones for storyline was Dale. Otherwise it would have been whoever had beef at that point or whatever. They work a lot better at this point. The best one I think we ever did was when Jake Pavelka did it because the girls just all roasted each other, and it was just funny, it was you found out things

that were going on in the house that were were kind of funny but here the best storyline was all the the roast of dale the rest of dale and yeah he took it in stride not not an easy thing to do to have now it wasn't also horrible either um i think the the roast date that we had the one most terribly wrong was ashley a bear because it was you know a woman first of all you have to roast a woman unless she's a comedian like obviously nikki glazer gets hit hard when she does it or when you but somebody like you know as you know know your audience like claire know, as you know, know your audience. Like, Claire is sensitive. Like, you don't roast her. Like, there's a, you know, like, basically, Yosef.

Yosef, if he was on this day, probably would have done the same thing, just in roast form. Could you imagine if Yosef was on that day? No, it would have been horrible. Terrible. So, and Ashley's, it was a lot of personal stuff of, you know, oh, I thought you were going to be Emily Maynard, or I thought you were going to be some, I mean, it was just, it was a lot of personal stuff of, you know, oh, I thought you were going to be Emily Maynard or I thought you were going to be some. I mean, it was mean.

It was horrible. So this one with Dale, I actually thought as bad as it was. And it was sort of truth in the form of a joke, but it wasn't so bad. It was all kind of fun and funny until Bennett came on. And then Bennett was like, I'm not even going to try to make jokes. I'm just going to... Yeah, Bennett's just going to do... It's a spoken word monologue

about what's going on here, right? Yeah, like, let me just inform you what's going on in the group. I like Bennett. He's great. I mean, I think it's funny. I've talked about this, how it's sort of the,

whatever you call the villain role. Not that Bennett's the villain, but clearly you see him in your thing. He's like, oh, he's the Harvard rich guy. Yeah, well, the show's evolved. The show has evolved. Four years ago, he's the obvious villain. He's the obvious villain that comes in. And who I would equate him to was on Emily Maynard's season.

What's his name? Kalen? Kalen. Kalen. Kalen. Yeah. And, you know, when he comes in in the helicopter and he's all suave and dashy,

and then, you know, refers to Emily's daughter as baggage. And then... Yeah. And, first of all, I don't think that Bennett would do that. He's not that guy. He seems like a really nice guy. And the guys really like him. Yeah, he is.

He's a certain type of guy. He knows he's a... He even mentioned, I think, that in kind of the rose. Like, he's in on the joke. Yeah, absolutely. Like, he knows he's a he even mentioned i think that in the kind of the rose like he he's in on the joke yeah absolutely like he knows it no he's still like he still does like he's the guy who who will talk that he goes to harvard and he will like once in a while say the douchey thing but he's aware that it is still kind of he's aware of it he gets it and it's why i think margaret's like her remarks about him were so great. Because he does remind you of American Psycho or something like that.

Yeah. He's like one of those guys from, like, Southern Charm. Yes. I mean, when he's wearing the glasses, I'm, like, I'm waiting for, like, Superman to come out. Like, he looks like Clark Kent. Like, he's really got a Clark Kent thing going on. No, he's one of those guys that you think, God, I hope we can figure out a way to to make paradise happen because there's so many great guys oh yeah you know you got a great group of guys for paradise yeah yeah we're gonna have four basically ponds to i'll tell you what

i've kind of joked with some of the producers it's it's um a lot of you got you got too you have too much talent because you missed a season. No, we'll have four to go from between Peter, Claire, Matt James, and then whoever the Bachelorette is. You'll have some disappointed people and there's just not enough. It is amazing, I know. And it's going to, well, for the viewers it's going to be great. Or we could just go extra.

We could just go extra large and just have people coming in. You know, we could just go all summer. You could. So, but I hope, and obviously that's the next thing now that we've figured out the bubbles for batch on bachelorette batch on paradise is next but bennett will be great on there he will yes yeah he was made for paradise he was he absolutely was um so claire's obviously then upset about the roast of dale yeah um i thought dale handled it pretty well and i it's so at this point where where are we at with like the guys seem to be well the guys are starting to be in revolt yeah absolutely i mean it was a combination of claire's is sort of fixated on dale

and you can see you know, those shots with producers you don't really like to show because even, you know, breaking the fourth wall and especially now I think we've tried to show producers less and less, if at all possible. And we had to show that scene where she's just like, that wasn't funny.

That was just... So you can see what's going through Claire's head. And then, yeah, the guys are just like, you can see what's going through claire's head and then yeah the guys are just like you know this is all she does this is more of the at the cocktail party when every one-on-one is about so tell me why you said that about yeah tell me what goes on i mean bennett again to his point what i love to have bennett was like he's like i kind of told you what i feel about dale like that's it like let, let's, you and I. And poor Bennett, every time he gets a one-on-one time with Claire, he gets the shaft.

Like, that was last week. She just leaves him. She just leaves him. And it was the funniest thing when you were there. Like, he's just sitting there. He's like, well, what the hell's going on? I'm pretty sure I tweeted something at the end. Like, she didn't say, come with me. I'm going to talk to the guys.

Yeah, just left him there. She just left him there. And he just stayed there. For all we know, he was still there until this week. Basically, that's about what it was like. So, yeah, like that. And this is when, and obviously sort of, it was, at the time, it was sort of controversial.

And again, this is when it was really like, oh, my God, like, we've really got to start thinking. When she didn't give out that rose and just gave it to herself. That was, I felt like I saw that coming. Now she's just like, yeah, she does. It's like, Dale's not on this date. I'm not going to give a rose. Right.

That was it. I mean, that was, that was, that was really it. And that was when we started making the call. Gotcha. And were there, do you, I don't know if you can answer this. Was, was it more Claire decided to leave or you, you guys said this is,

we can't get through this whole season, the way this is going because she was becoming so resistant to it. Because again, there's one thing of like me liking vanessa or jojo liking jordan or whatever but you you either in in your head convince yourself to give these guys another chance or you fake it enough to get through it yeah i mean i think that and again who knows if say even if if we had shut down for a couple weeks and the guys were out there and she'd seen dale and decided like you know this is i've seen him this is love at first sight just looking at

him and i don't think that was the case i do think it was sort of she definitely had some feelings but it was that connection when they they met out of the limo and i know the guys talk about this you know i'm not tipping a little bit till next week but she you know she's asked like have you guys did you guys speak before this season by and she swears on like the most you know basically on her dad's grave which is about the most sacred thing you can that they didn't like she is not she's never seen this guy had never done it but i just wonder had we shut down but we had flattened the curve and and we could have done a regular season with travel maybe it would have been like well

i don't i mean it's it's you still have whatever it's six more weeks at la quinta so it's it's sort of at that point maybe it was like i i just can't fake it fake it through this yeah i it's an interesting point i wonder how much the environment that they were in played a role, or your guys' even ability to do what you did, being two hours down the road as opposed to in Asia. I think it was just this one person that she believes is... I mean, she said it. I think I met my husband. I think this is my frontrunner.

This is my husband. And I think she just couldn't keep doing it anymore. I think she was sort of going crazy a little bit. Yeah. So you guys tease at the end of the episode, Tayshia has the money shot, glamour shot. Yeah, there you go. Exactly.

The hero shot, heroine shot. So you guys are now finally mentioning for the first time without all the rumors that are out there that right tasia is somehow going to be part of this season yes tasia will be part of the season starting next week also by the way quick announcement next tuesday i think everyone knows we have an election going on so the show will not be airing it will be airing on thursday i found out about that from juliet okay good excellent i forget if i told that to juliet or she just knew but um yeah so yeah so yeah programming so programming it will be on thursday so important but um yeah so that this is where as chris airson says the the bachelorette will blow up yeah and uh we've

seen the preview of chris going to claire and you blew up the bachelorette will blow up. Yeah, and we've seen the preview of Chris going to Claire and you blew up the Bachelorette. And then how much can you share with us about if Tayshia, in fact, obviously takes over, are we going to still be able to see Claire and Dale's relationship throughout? That will be chronicled. Not a ton because, again, similar to what we were saying about Paradise with Jade and Tanner, it's like there's no point to show people in their honeymoon phase like it's like you know it's it's

all good um but you won't see so but it will be chronicled absolutely i've had this question come up from people a couple times so i wanted to ask you and i hope it's the case with covid because there's no guarantees but maybe maybe more than any season ever, I am so looking forward to the men tell-all. Yes, there will be a tell-all. Okay. Absolutely. Because most of the time I'm like, tell-all, whatever.

No, it will be different, but there will be a tell-all. Because I really can't wait. Because there's so many questions about how it all went down from the men's point of view, the transition from Claire to Tayshia. And some of that will be addressed throughout the season as well. Oh, it will? Okay. Yeah. So you'll see some of that too.

But yes, there will be a tell-all as well. Okay, good. I'm glad. I wasn't really sure because I never covered it. Well, trust me, it was not a foregone conclusion. Yeah, because... So it was, this is, this, it was, it was a lot of difficulty, you know, and also you have to remember,

they had to go right from Bachelorette into Bachelor. Yeah. Which was also a bit of a problem. Great. Like it just was, they were just cranking. Yeah. Speaking of, before we let you go, anything you can tease?

How's filming going? Oh, it's, it's fantastic. Going great? Yeah yeah matt is definitely um he did something night one that we've never had happen before okay um it's not what you'd think though it'll be it's it's it's really crazy um and just everything is great the resort is much much, much bigger. Okay. So it's great having a bigger bubble. And it's just different. It's a different look. So that's great.

And the girls are fantastic. Yeah, it's going really well. And he is not singled in on one person either. Okay. I feel confident saying this. Matt James will be the only bachelor this season. All right. You heard it here first.

Good to know. And that airs... January. January. January 4th, I believe. Well, Rob, I know you're a busy guy, so we'll let you go. But we really appreciate you coming and recapping and catching up. Congrats on all the success going over on ABC, all the other shows, the game shows that

you have going on. Thanks, buddy. Always, uh, the shows, the game shows that you have going on. Always a ton of fun. Um, we appreciate you coming. We'll always hope to have you back. Absolutely. Um, anything else before we let the people go? No, I think that's it.

All right. We'll make sure to tune in tomorrow for our great episode with Ryan, our hypnotist life coach who talks about having a healthy relationship with yourself before you can ever. great episode with Ryan, our hypnotist life coach, who talks about having a healthy relationship with yourself before you can have a healthy relationship with someone else. And we see it on a demonstrated on the bachelorette sometimes. That's right. That's right.

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