The Viall Files - E197 Frost Yourself With Kalen Allen

Episode Date: November 11, 2020

On todays episode we are joined by the one and only Kalen Allen. You may recognize Kalen from The Ellen Show but you may not know he is also an actor and a recording artist with a new holiday album out now called “For Christmas Sake.” We speak with Kalen about his dreams coming true overnight, his way of looking at the world with the glass half full, and his thoughts on working at The Ellen Show and rumors surrounding it. Get ready to smile as Kalen’s infectious personality takes over The Viall Files.  “Just because where you are right now does not feel like it is where you are supposed to be does not mean you are not going to get to where you are supposed to be. “ Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes.  THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Crossrope: http://www.crossrope.com/viall to get $40 off the get fit bundle plus free shipping. Manscaped: http://www.manscaped.com use code VIALL for 20% off. Hello Bello: http://www.hellobello.com/viall to start your bundle with 25% off your order plus 15% off any add ons. Episode Socials:  @viallfiles @nickviall @thekalenallen See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hi, everybody. I hope you're doing well. I hope that your life is fine. I hope... I know there's a lot going on right now. But either way, thanks for tuning in. I hope that you find this to be a release and a nice fun break in your life with whatever it is you're dealing with. break in your life with whatever it is you're

dealing with that'd be good whatever it is you're dealing with and we thought we'd have uh our guest kaylin allen on because he's such a breath of fresh air he is and he makes you feel good he's fun to listen to and so no matter what you have going on we promise you you're going to feel better after listening this episode yeah uh if you don't know who Kalen Allen is, well, first of all, where have you been? Get it together. He is a very talented, multi-talented personality, actor, musician, singer, has a new Christmas album out, was discovered by Ellen. Yes.

He's kicking ass on the Ellen DeGeneres Show. We talk about his experience there, his thoughts on everything going on in that show and his life and his Christmas album and his perspective on life. And it was just a ton of fun. And I'll stop talking about it so you guys can listen to the episode. If there's nothing else, thank you as always.

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We have beanies, T-shirts, breakup books, all fun sayings. Great Christmas gift. If you're looking for your Christmas presents now, get some merch. We love you. Other than that, I say we get to Kaelin Allen. Kaelin, thanks so much for coming. Thank you. Other than that, I say we get to Kalen Allen. Kalen, thanks so much for coming.

Thank you. I'm happy to be here. You know, what a wonderful day to be here. I'm so happy you came. You have this constant glow about you when I met you and anytime I see you on TV. And today we are recording this, for those of you who may not know uh we are recording this wednesday morning november 4th the day after uh the election the election really is still going on i don't even think

you can say after the election uh many all americans i i saw a tweet i thought was pretty funny it's like all of america is waiting for an std test yes that's what it feels like everybody's waiting for the test result yeah and so by the time this episode drops next week we may or may not uh know the results with that said everyone is feeling heavy regardless of who you vote for it's uh and yet i'm curious how you go about stressful times in your life uh when things seem down when things seem scary how do you keep yourself sparkling um well you know what i i think like even today i don't necessarily know if i feel heavy you know now 2016, I felt heavy the day after. You know, I was living in Philadelphia.

It was cloudy. Nobody was going to class. Everybody was just really upset. I don't necessarily think that I feel that way today. I think I feel hopeful. I think I have faith. And I think that's probably what keeps me lifted is that i like to try and just always think of like i'm the type person like i look at a glass half full not half empty you know so i try

to always be optimistic and if it turns out to be something that is not of my favor then i'm like okay well what how do i counteract that with more positivity yeah how do you find the the small ones shavings make a pile. Yes. Shavings make a pile. I had to remind a lot of friends today. It's just like, first of all, everything's fine so far. We don't.

Also, like, Twitter did their job. But everyone's just like, look at what has happened, not what didn't happen. Right. And try to, where did you have some success? Right. Well, we've definitely. Things are going to change overnight. Oh, I mean, we've already seen a shift with certain people from the night that was like oh we did this to this morning it's like oh i'm shaking in my boots bitch you know

like like it's very much given that yeah yeah so you always try to no matter what whether it's an election or in life um are you good at that in the moment? Or do you have to just kind of have like, all right, Caitlin, you know what I'm saying? Like some people like right away, something doesn't go their way and they just remember to take a moment. I myself, it takes me like a half hour. Oh, I'm right in the moment.

I'm a very resilient person. Something falls down. I'm like, okay, well, what's next? What's the solution? Like even if something goes wrong and people come to me, I'm like okay well what's next what's the solution like even if something goes wrong and people come to me I'm like okay quit complaining about it because complaining about it's not going to change anything what is the solution I'm very solution based with everything in my life

have you always been that way oh absolutely absolutely and I think that just made me the fact of being like black and gay you had to be you know solution oriented like when somebody tried to tear you down you got to be like with a clap back immediately, you know? That's a T-shirt. Black and gay, also solution-oriented.

I mean, I don't know, but I can understand. I mean, straight white male here, it's like, you know. Not so solution-oriented? No, I am, but I'm saying like, I haven't been required to overcome as much adversity yeah it's been like it's fine everything's fine um well that that is uh that's feels good to hear yeah um because i think we we definitely live in a time where just if people panic no matter what they think of work it's a it's definitely a glass is

half full world we're living in these days yeah and i get it why i mean i get the fear i i get the no matter what your situation is but it's all well i think there's i think at this time people are a lot more hopeful because we need it we honestly need it this year has been absolutely atrocious yeah for everybody and i think now we are like i said like it feels like it's groundhog day it's like whoever wins this is going to determine the rest of this year you know like we need this to turn around so that we can be hopeful for the next months to feel like something good is going to come to us you know and I think that's why people are really holding on and holding on you know last night I was on Twitter and I was like see I like Twitter during this time because it's of substance people are tuned in they they are knowledgeable what they are talking about any other time they just tweeting foolishness you know

there's a shift in in the atmosphere of what people are caring about. Any other time, they're just tweeting foolishness. You know, there's a shift in the atmosphere of what people are caring about. And, you know, and that people are interested. I mean, the fact that we have had such an amazing turnout of voters this season is proof that regardless of a pandemic, this was something that people cared about. Yeah, that was reassuring. Yeah. Yeah. Everyone.

I love watching those little maps where they like this county this county because then you're like oh that's so crazy that that many people in that little place can make that big of a difference and counties that you never heard of like they're on like ABC News and they're talking about this county

and I'm like who I don't even know where that is you know but that that little group of people can make such a difference because every one of those little tiny votes make a big difference. It's so crazy to think that way. Yeah. So you just launched a new album. Congratulations.

Thank you. It's very exciting. Thank you. Would you like to share a little bit about it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And speaking of getting people in the good mood yeah it does and that's what that is the whole purpose of it you know so i i just released a christmas album called for christmas sake and i started it at the christmas right yes so good

thank you so i started it at the beginning of the pandemic because I just well first of all I am a true lover of Christmas I love the holidays like I am probably as bad as Mariah Carey like I get so festive when it comes to Christmas like I'm like let's fest the baby and so when I made the album I did it with the purpose of bringing joy and happiness to homes this season because i knew that the christmas season was going to be so different and a lot of people have asked me they're like was it a comedy album are you talking about food i'm like no i'm singing like it's an actual album like i went into the studio and people don't necessarily think of you right necessarily as a singer yes correct yet you have a voice of an angel thank you he does thank you do some of them disney songs i'm like oh hell

so good thank you i never thought of that but i feel like we all everyone whoever you are might need christmas a little bit more this year absolutely yeah i mean a lot of people have been when i announced the album a lot of people like well we haven't even got to thanksgiving and then some people were like um no we need this right here right now yeah like i put i'm putting up my tree tomorrow i bought a christmas tree last night on the election i'm putting it up tomorrow uh so that will make it november 5th okay and i'm not even i i this is the first time i've put up a christmas tree in years now granted being a new homeowner there's a little bit more like i'm really enjoying the new home and i'm enjoying the curtains and the blinds and i was at home

goods last night i'm really thriving in the homeowner space but also yeah it's just like you know what i want this i need this and i me i would never i haven't put up a i haven't put up a christmas tree in my place in maybe six years six years that's terrible yeah well because for me you know i'm not screwed or anything but it's just like i didn't really have a place where i felt like decorating it was just like hey i live here i'd always go home for thanksgiving and then go home for Christmas. Okay. So it was like, and I, and I not, and I personally, for me, haven't been, you know, like a lot of diehard Christmas lovers where I was just, I really get into it. But this year I'm just like, you know what?

I want this. I need this. Well, where'd you get your Christmas street front? I went, I got at Home Depot. Okay. And I, I, I went through a whole process of, I really wanted a Home Depot. Okay. And I went through a whole process of I really wanted a real one. Okay. But because I'm putting it up in the first week of November, I wanted it to last through Christmas.

Okay. There were some reports from people that it might not. Yeah. I don't think it would have lasted. But I got mine from Balsam Hill. And that was an expensive treat. Yeah. I was on Balsam Hill, and that was an expensive tree. Yeah, I was on Balsam Hill's website last night. Okay.

Because when you Google, and they're not a sponsor of this show, but when you Google best fake Christmas tree, Balsam Hill comes up. Right. Well, apparently they use them on the Hallmark movies. Apparently in those Christmas movies. Yeah, and that's why they look realistic. So that's why was like oh well let me go look at it but that tree was like two thousand dollars yeah so the tree i looked at for boston hill was like twelve hundred dollars and i was prepared to pull the trigger like i wanted a quality i was just like you know what this is an investment but i went to home depot and the one that i found was not it was like 350 and it has

some of the fake snow on it which honestly from afar i i never thought i would buy it but it looks like you might as well bought a pink tree in my book oh my god no it looks good it looks good it looks frosted it looks is uh is matthew mcconaughey would say frost yourself frost yourself um and it comes with a lot and honestly it looks i wouldn't say i mean clearly it's not it's gonna look fake because it it has the white on it inside but it looks good it doesn't and i was like you know what i'm done i mean this is easy well to be fair the reason why I wanted to get that specific tree was because I knew with the Christmas album, with Corona, I wanted to do a virtual live concert from my living room. That's such a good idea. And so I was like, well, if I'm going to be filming in my living room, then I need it to look festive.

I need it to look real. And so that's why I got it. I think you need more than one tree. Oh, no, ma'am. Not if it's coming from Bossom Hill. Only one. Can we get Bossom Hill to like maybe hook it up? Please, please send me one or something.

Because, baby, y'all breaking my bank for Christmas. I can't even get gifts no more. Your gift is my Christmas album. Okay. Here you go. Here you go there you go an ornament so you haven't recorded this live music not yet i haven't i haven't done it live yet i've only because it's about life that's duh right but i mean the good thing is that when you listen to the album that is most most of those are like my first take like oh really I did all that like

there's no doctrine there's no auto-tune we don't do any of that sweetie but I've been a singer my entire life yeah you know like that's what I studied I was a theater and film double major at Temple University so I've always been rooted in music and that's why I enjoyed it I think my favorite song on the album is Christmas List Within You and that's the song that I wrote. And so it really just embodies what Christmas means to me. That's fantastic. The cover art is amazing as well. Thank you.

And you know, that's not photoshopped. I know. The way that the hat goes, like that's, we threw it and then that's the shot. And then I was like, yep, that's it. Childlike fun. Childlike fun.

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that was their idea yeah that's so good add some swag to your saggy bag where can people find find find fine fine fine's gone i know where can they find Find Find's gone It's out now You can find it on iTunes You can find it on Apple Music It is literally Everywhere that music is available It's so exciting

So if you're listening to this podcast on Spotify Just go over to And get the album And what's the album called again? For Christmas Sake You better have some merch with that on it and get the album. And what's the album called again? For Christmas Sake. For Christmas Sake. You better have some merch with that on it because that's good.

Okay, for Christmas Sake because the album is being done for Christmas Sake. It's quite good. It will make you feel festive, joyful, happy, thankful. Plus the voice is just good. Thank you. It's a little bit of everything. It's one of the things I wish I could do.

Christmas starts now, everybody. If you're listening, we give you permission yeah you're not nuts it's fine live your best life live your best life november 1st is christmas season you are someone who in the past few years your life has changed drastically was that fair to say oh that's absolutely true um congratulations on that by the way. Thank you. Looking back, what is your perspective on it? Does it surprise you or is there a part of you who thought, I wasn't sure how I would get to where I am now, but I always knew I would? The second one.

It was definitely a how. And I think the way that it happened was the most unexpected way because it all happened by chance. Chance. Ellen discovered chance. Chance. Ellen discovered you. Correct. And that was all for me laying in my bed around this time and making a video to like cornbread and potato salad just for fun, just for my friends and posting it on social media. And then it becoming a thing.

And then from there, next thing I knew, I was moving to Los Angeles. So like what? You got an email or a DM from like, next thing I knew, I was moving to Los Angeles. So, like, what? You got an email or a DM from, like, was it literally Ellen? Was it someone from her team? Oh, no. Of course it was a producer. But no. I feel like Ellen's, like, constantly just on the internet looking.

Well, that's how I got the job. So she saw the video, and then she brought it to the team and was like, I want this guy. And then that's when I got a twitter dm actually and I remember being in class and I remember getting the dm and grabbing my friend's arm and was just like girl it's Ellen and then like I immediately left the classroom and was like hi I'm Kaylin would you like to meet like I'm so excited that you messaged me or whatever and then just like that it just all happened so quickly like so fast like i still feel like i'm in a whirlwind all the time you know yeah yeah and what and and so you moved immediately there was like we want to hire you and like i'm moving yes so that happened in november and then in December, I filmed my first episode. It aired in January and I moved January 13th to L.A.

Damn. Yeah. And I finished school out here because I was a senior at Temple. And so I finished school out here, went back in May, graduated, and did all that. Yeah. And that's not to be almost dismissed. A lot of people, you're in school. Ellen calls. She's like she's like it i don't

need anything i got i'm good yeah i'm moving out to l.a and yet you decided to finish your education finish school and get your degree out here all while still on the ellen show well i was on a full ride scholarship and so for me was just like uh no i need to get my money's worth out of this you know and i think also for me it was just like, no, I need to get my money's worth out of this, you know? And I think also for me, it was just like, I didn't know what was going to happen once I got out here. And I am always about having a safety net. I'm all about stability. I was like, no, I need those degrees because say I need to go get a job if this falls through. I need to be able to sustain and support myself. You know, I'm not the type of person being like, oh, here's a check. And I'm like, oh, thank you. And then, then you know then you blow that check and then you're like oh now i'm broke you know i'm

not that person you're gonna buy a christmas tree and you're like bye check okay i mean i i appreciate that yeah do you do you find someone who thinks that way too i uh but i find myself to be too in my head like i'm always preparing for the worst that's where like you say you're a glass half full i want to believe i am but i'm also like yeah the glass is half full but what does it look like if it's half empty and how do i fill it back up that and so sometimes i have a hard time uh enjoying the stuff that's going on in the present because of, I'm like, well, this is great, but I need five backup plans. Oh, I absolutely identify with that. I mean, when I got here, I fell into a huge depression because of that, because of being scared of not knowing what was

coming next or not knowing if I was doing the right thing or if what I was doing was what I was supposed to be doing was like did I make the right choice you know is this worth it and stuff like that especially with me wanting to be an actor you know and that's what I studied and I was like oh well now I'm just making YouTube videos like is that really what I'm supposed to be doing you know and so I battled with that back and forth back and forth but what I had to start to understand was that was just a stepping stone for me to be able to do the things that I'm doing now. Like, I feel like now I'm really doing what I love to do, you know, with the Christmas album. I mean, I just had a movie with Seth Rogen come out. And so like doing those things, it's like, ah,

I get it. And I think we have to learn as people is that everything that happens in our lives is for a reason. And just because where we are right now may not feel like this where we're supposed to be that does not mean that you won't get to where you are supposed to be yeah yeah that's great I love that shaming's make a pile you know just just get there this movie with seth rogan yeah an american pickle on hbo max we shot it actually around this time again uh about two and a half years ago in pittsburgh and basically it's about seth rogan's character falls into a pickle brine and he is brined for 100 years and wakes up in a gentrified brooklyn and then he finds out he only got one living relative and he decides

he wants to start a pickle business. So I play one of the people that help him get his pickle business up and running. That's great. Yeah. We're doing it, honey. We're doing it. I haven't seen that movie yet, but now I'm excited to go back and watch it. HBO Max. No, I mean, I'm a huge Seth Rogen

fan and I was familiar with the movie. I just haven't, I don't know why I haven't seen it yet. I mean. I'm a huge Seth Rogen fan. Yeah. I was familiar with the movie. I just haven't. I don't know why I haven't seen it yet. I mean. I'm going to watch it now. But it's a pandemic and we have been overwhelmed with a lot of digital content. We have. We have.

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that's hello bello.com slash v-i-a-l-l when all the stuff happened with the ellen show and things like that what was your perspective which part of? I don't know any of it. I mean, I'm an Ellen fan. Ellen's always been lovely and kind to me. Oh, you mean like recent stuff? Recent issues? I feel like we just must acknowledge it. I mean, at this point, it's kind of like impossible to not ask the question. You know, now the difference is, is I think because it all happened during the pandemic, it was, I think it was a shock for everyone.

You know, for me, I've only been there a couple of years now, but like I had just, I don't go into the office that often to really know a lot of things especially if there were things that because you know most of the people that they talked to were like people from like years ago you know and so it's just like well I wasn't there during that time and I think for me what was interesting was that what I cared about was that if there were issues or things that needed to be addressed first of all I don't treat any establishment as perfect I don't and I was just like well what is the solution what are the answers what are we doing to fix it and how are we healing to become the place that everybody wants us to be you know because I do believe as somebody that has benefited from the show is that I do believe that we do bring a lot of joy to people on a daily basis.

We do do that. And but I also believe that if there are any flaws, those things need to be addressed regardless of how much you do for people. You know, I just think that that was my perspective on it. I just think that that was my perspective on it. And I was, you know, very, very much a part of wanting to be a part of every conversation to learn more, especially because with working with some of the most amazing and talented people that dedicate their lives to that show and to what we do on a daily basis, I care that everybody was enjoying it just as much as me. And even with the point of being like please if you feel like I don't appreciate you enough or don't tell you please let me know how I can be

better as well you know because I'm not the type of person that's a talent that's going to come in and just be a diva you know or something like that so it was just like please let me know and I think it's also it was a learning experience for me for whatever my future holds, you know, to know how to run a business or how to have a show or something like that, you know, to figure out what's the best way to approach it. Yeah, that makes sense. And honestly, it sounds like it continues to be in line with your mantra, if you will. It's like, all right.

And I love that, right? You're not afraid to address problems. I think sometimes we are. We like to ignore problems because if, you know, well, let's just not think about it. Let's just not think about it. But if they are, fine. You don't run away from it.

And then you, again, try to figure out, well, okay, there's a problem. Let's talk about it. How do we fix it? What's the solution? We've found ourselves in a society today where, yeah, like black and white, drastic, extremes. There's no middle ground.

There's no conversations. Well, that's the problem with cancel culture. You know, it's like we don't allow anyone to grow or to learn from their mistakes. We are automatically like, well, get rid of them. You know, and it's just like that's not everybody, regardless of how much money you have or who you are everybody is a human you know and humans make mistakes and we have to allow ourselves to make mistakes it only becomes a problem when people don't learn from the mistakes when they continue to perpetuate the same behavior and nothing changes that is when we fall into a bad place you know but what i can say is that the actions that were taken and the things that we are still doing to this day are definitely happening within the establishment as a whole, you know.

And if I felt as though I didn't love where I work or what I do or love her, then I would have left, you know, but I didn't, I stayed because I believed that whatever needed to be done was going to be done to the fullest extent. Yeah. I love that. And too, and that is a problem with cancel culture because we have such a, you know, people always say like acknowledging your problem is the first step, right? Well, sometimes now we're, we've gotten afraid to be like, I think, I think this is not okay. Right. I could be better because if you don't want to point out a flaw, you don't want to shine an unnecessary light on yourselves or have, or, or when someone might point it out, you're just like, well, no, no, no, I don't, I've never, and then you, you're in this denial mode because you're

afraid that if you open up that door, if you open up that crack, people will just attack. And then you you're limiting any growth. And that's that kind of goes for society in general. Well, I think Internet. Well, I think for me, I've always lived in a place of always being transparent. I just find transparency to be a lot easier. You know, like I said, I've told my friends i've been like well if they try to leak my news i'm just gonna be like well what did you think i was doing you just think i just sit at

home all day you know like i'm a human too you know like that's normal that's what people are that's how we operate yeah no that is true yeah i've never taken a nude in my life Have you always been a big dreamer? Oh absolutely What was your biggest dream as a kid? I thought I was going to be a cartoonist When I was a kid Did you ever have any kind of random Or was it always this?

It changed It used to change I used to want to be a pastry chef Then I used to want to be A plastic surgeon And I think I wanted to be a pastry chef. A pastry chef. Then I used to want to be a plastic surgeon. And I think I wanted to be a plastic surgeon because I like the creativity of it. I like the fact that you can change somebody's face. Sure, but how much leeway did they give you? Hey, listen, go to sleep.

I have a surprise for you. I know, right? Yeah. So, like, I don't know why that was. But then I think once I got in middle school it became I want to be an actor you know I want to be originally besides I want to be on Broadway which is still a dream of mine you know and so um but from there I've just always lived in a space of like if I would ever leave this world I did not want to leave the world

thinking about what I could have or should have would have done you know i wanted to be able to say that i did everything that i could with what i was given yeah and but you're and you are still you're kind of you kind of are a pastry chef i mean maybe not somewhat maybe not like you know you don't have your story you didn't necessarily go to school for it but you do cook a lot lot. I do cook. It's on your videos. You're on YouTube. It's kind of how you were discovered. Right.

Through food. And you know what's funny about that is, like, at that time, like, people didn't know that I cooked. And what's funny is that people always ask about, like, my critiques and my opinions about food. And they always question, well, is it because you actually like, you know, making food? And I'm like, yeah, I love to cook. Like, I'm currently writing a cookbook, you know. Like, I loved it last night because I was stressed cooking. I made sweet potato pie and chicken and dumplings, you know.

And it's just like random, but just for me. You made chicken. How do you make chicken and dumplings? Well, so first you got to make your little broth, you know. And then you put your chicken in there and you let it cook in the broth. And then you shred the chicken. And then I use buttermilk biscuits and I roll them out and I cut them into strips with flour. And then I put it into the broth and then the flour starts to make it become more of a gravy.

Oh, it's absolutely delicious. You know, I had soup dumplings last night, but I had to I went and got got soup dumplings are those like the dumplings that have like liquid in them yeah yeah have you had them yeah Westville Century City yeah yeah magic magic what's your favorite thing to cook favorite thing to cook um peach cobbler yeah yeah I was about to say yeah peach cobbler peach cobbler is like my specialty and now I've changed up the recipe a little bit because I was, you know, making it so much. Back in the day when I was in high school and college, people used to buy my peach cobblers from me. And I would make them for the holidays.

And then, like, sometimes I would even give it to them and they could bake it at home. Or I would bake it and give it to them. Really? How old were you when you started cooking? Oh, I've been cooking since I was, like, in elementary. Who did you learn? What did you learn from mom? Well, I've been cooking since I was like in elementary. Who'd you learn? Was it, did you learn from mom? Well, most of the stuff, I like to cook.

I don't feel like I'm as good as you. Oh my goodness. But I've always had a knack for it and I definitely got it from my mom. Well, I actually am self-taught. So this is what happened was when I was in fourth grade, my mother got really sick. And so because she was sick, I had to learn how to take care of the household pretty much. And so that's when I learned how to cook. and so I would watch like my grandmother cook in the in the house but really I just kind of figured it out on my own and using cookbooks to help guide

and teach me and then it just became a passion of mine like I love cooking for people last Thanksgiving I did a whole friends giving here in LA and I cooked like for 45 people like 45 people? That's a lot of people I think a lot of people feed It's a lot yes and I cooked for like 4 really? 5 Yeah no it was a lot of people and I started like at 4am and cooked all day

We were at like Billboard Music Awards and you were passing out peach cobblers Yes I was and you know what's funny about that is that was my first red carpet and they were like so what is something special that you can do on the carpet i said well i can make peach cobbler like why is that i was running the stage next to him and i just saw people walking away with like tupperware yes i don't even know what what peach cobbler is is it a pie kind of but not not it's not a pie it has crust and it has peaches and it has cinnamon and it's very warm and makes you feel good now my new recipe i add um whiskey vanilla whiskey and that

life-changing life life-changing um so yeah it it differs but yeah no we've said the billboard musical i gave it to kelly clarkson i gave it to john legend like what's going on over there funny funny funny that's how you get people to stop that's that's the key you feed them well you know anytime you come to my spot on the red carpet it's gonna be fun i first time i met you on the red carpet had a great time yeah what can i say i'm not the person be like oh what are you wearing darling no honey I ain't got time for that I could care less you know I'm here to have what are some of your favorite questions you like asking the right I like playing the games like we always play games and stuff like that like we do like hot hands or something like that or five second rule and just having I like to loosen

people up because when you do a red carpet you know it's the same question over and over and over and over again you know and that can just feel so like you're just stuck in one dimension so when people come to me it's more so i want you to feel like you're just here to have fun like it shouldn't feel like you're always doing press and publicity all the time you know like you should be able to just be and so that is always my goal. That's great. I saw one of your videos and you talked, I don't want to say I remember it correctly, but the ability to, doing something but not doing it necessarily for the recognition.

Right? Yes. And if you feel like you're doing it because you want to get that validation maybe it's coming from you know childhood trauma or something like that i thought it was interesting i don't i don't know and the pep talk one yeah yeah it was really it was really it made me think about like all right i guess i'd do that i had a great childhood but where does that come from where do you find that balance of of of doing that with yourself i'm assuming that being like for me when i think about things that i'm passionate about it's usually because

i've related to it or i've experienced it and something i've overcome is that the same for you on kind of what motivates you or what gets you down like where you struggle you talk about your sometimes being depressed or being happy like how do you identify with like finding these things about yourself and then you know sharing it to like and better your audience um like i said transparency is so important to me and i like people to look at me as as a human being, as somebody that is very real, as somebody that has good days, that has bad days, that is on a roller coaster just with everybody else, regardless of who I work for, what I do or how much money I make. It's very much that I want people to feel as though they can always relate to me. And I think some things that I struggle with that I'm starting to get better at is being

present in the moment yeah and allowing myself how are you working on that so by allowing myself to take breaks and allowing other people to do the work and not me always having to be over somebody's shoulder like well let me see the script let me do this or something like that you know or like I moved a friend of mine out here to be my assistant because I was just like, I'm getting overwhelmed and I don't know how to, I can't do it all myself. So trusting other people to handle. Releasing control. Yes, releasing control.

And that has started to allow me to be more present. But also when I need to take a break, taking a break. You know, like a couple of weeks ago, I was just very overwhelmed from the week. We were working on like figuring out music videos and stuff for the Christmas album. And I was just like, I need to go away. So I literally got Tori and I was like, okay, we're going to Terranea. And I went to Terranea and I like. What's Terranea?

Oh, you never been to Terranea? Oh. What's a Terranea? You never been? You been to Terranea? No. Oh, baby. Terranea is in Rancho Palos Verdes.

And, baby, it is luxury, okay? That is a resort. I got down there. I gave Tori my phone. I said, no one is allowed to call or text me. Don't tell me if anything comes in. And it was just me and the ocean and Terrania. It's a hotel?

Yeah. It's a resort. Y'all need to go, okay? Terrania. You need to go okay you need to go now it ain't cheap but you know you about to bob you can buy balsam hill i i'm gonna make a video and go go to terrania darling do you do you think that sometimes like do you feel do you ever feel pressure that because everyone looks at you as somebody who's so positive and so energetic and so whatever all the time that you feel like you always have to be that way. And like sometimes you can't be like just maybe sad, Caitlin.

Every once in a while. Yes, I think there's I think there's a misconception. I think when people see who I'm who I am, they always expecting me to be like the life of the party you know or to be like up in the club getting you know lit and I'm not I'm actually very very quiet when I'm at home I'm very to myself you know um I think though even if they

do have that perception I never allow myself to only give that you know like I'm the type of person like if you come at me in my comments I'm probably gonna clap back at you and then people will be like well what happened to be kind to one another and my response is i'm not ellen baby like don't get confused you know like okay like i will check you like i would like to clap back oh absolutely i can read somebody down for filth okay don't come for me if I don't see him for you.

I only, like I have, like for me, for my own mental health, I'm like, don't fight with the internet. Cause it's, I feel like it's a winless battle. I will. Yeah. Well, except when I, when I do it, I do it sometimes, but I don't try to fight. I try to, usually it's just like, I'll, I'll just acknowledge them. Okay.

And I'll, and I'll make it seem like I take it as a compliment it's just like oh well thanks for you know and I confuse them it's like the equivalent of giving someone a thumbs up in traffic when they're beeping and flipping you off and you just smile

and wave back to me I find that to be a more satisfying reaction than to match their anger and frustration and it just confuses people have you ever tried to do that where you you know you accidentally cut something off you're actually and they hawk and they're flipping you off you're just like hey how's it going killing them with kindness yeah and it just you just see their reaction they don't know what to do and they they just, like, explode. And that makes me happy. And I think maybe I get the gratitude because they expect me to be nice.

And they expect me to be weak, you know, because they think I'm, like, all goofy and fun and stuff. And then what I actually, I get upset when I can't respond. You know, like, if it's like, ooh, I just know I can get them right now, you know. And so then I just feel, ooh. But then when I do do it, I'm like, oh, get them right now you know and so then i just feel oh but then when i do do it i'm like oh that feels wonderful you know because i because they get shook because you know i'll be having a stunt maybe that's what works it's just surprise because people assume i'm going to be a dick and i just i'm nice or people assume that you guys probably wouldn't respond to

them so when you do they're like there's a lot of that they read it oh yeah there's definitely that's the biggest thing they just think they don't they don't yeah they just they don't assume you're gonna read it right or they don't see you as a human right well they don't see themselves as an important enough human you know there's that that's what it is is that they think that they are so small that we aren't gonna see and no it's like people everybody matters you know like everybody matters and i see everything regardless of who you are like that has nothing to do with it's social media you know and i don't think people realize that but i mean i'm always ready for a clap back don't knock if you ain't got no buck baby not even sure i entirely understand it but i love it i'm still on

um you've met some pretty obviously incredible people since you uh moved out to la um oprah michelle obama yeah oprah for me it's weird like I know she's a real person but like Oprah was like for me growing up was so big that like I feel like she's still kind of imaginary in my mind you know there's certain I don't get starstruck easily and I've met some really amazing famous people some people like Oprah's a person who like, I know she's real and I'm like, I'm sure if I met her. But like, when I hear you've met her, I'm just like, so she's real, right?

Like she's an actual person. Like, you know, she does seem, to me, bigger than life. I don't know what it is about her. But like, it's like to even meet her feels unobtainable for me. And I don't get starstruck very easily as she is definitely one of those people well you know i think there i mean i think there's her i think there's beyonce i think there's people like mariah carey i think there's people like uh ellen i think she's in that category too yeah um i got to meet her so

that's a little different well i mean you but yes when i first met her i was like yeah once it happens you kind of become become desensitized to it you know but actually I'm glad you brought up the Oprah thing because it's one of my favorite celebrity encounters is because it didn't feel so this is how it happened I knew that she was on the show and so I was sitting backstage right and I'm just like minding my business I'm just like I'm just fine and she just walks past me and her entire team just kept talking to me, kept saying hi. And like they were like introducing themselves to me. And then what happened was she was filming something backstage for like a digital series. And she was walking back to her dressing room and they literally just put me in front of her.

back to her dressing room and they literally just put me in front of her and she said kaylin and that was why it was so special to me because she genuinely knew me and then she started talking to me about videos that like only like people that actually watch my stuff would know about and i was just floored because it was the most endearing and heartwarming experience of my life and I feel like it was just another signifier that you're doing what you're supposed to be doing Caitlin this is making sense if this woman

can look at you and love your work and love who you are and embrace you this way it was very like I'm meeting my auntie like I absolutely adored it absolutely and then you're imagining oprah like on her couch sitting at home on her like a roll whatever just like watching your videos yes that that was something similar happened to me with sia i was at a friend's birthday party and you know because Sia

right like you know has her anonymity I mean people have kind of figured it out but I didn't know at the time

so like here's this woman at this party and then she comes up to me and she says hi Nick I'm Sia and I was like and she like

I love your work it's a little different than your work but like i don't really do anything i love watching you get shot the shit for like an hour and she was super chill and cool but for her to like introduce the stuff to me and again because it's sia and who protects her anonymity like i i didn't know and she like came up to me and was so calm about it. And I'm just like, so glad I was like, Oh, Oh my God. And I,

like I panicked and wasn't sure what to do, but she was super calming and chill. And it was, it was pretty neat. So yeah. And then it is cool when someone like of that stature, she's like, wait,

what? You know who? Yeah. Yeah. That's a, that's something that both of you do is like, you both have these kinds of like shows and stuff like that, that you don't know's something that both of you do. It's like you both have these kind of shows and stuff like that that you don't know that, like, I mean,

Obama be sitting out watching The Bachelor. That would be cool. Obama referenced The Bachelor in one of his speeches like a joke. Now, that doesn't mean he watches it. That just could mean, you know, he has got a couple of writers like, hey, this just jokes. I mean, the majority of America watches The Bachelor. But it's like hey this just i mean the majority of america watches the batch but it's like not impossible that his daughters of kind of that age and he's just like

it's kind of funny to think about you guys like doing all this stuff and that people can you don't know who's watching it right i mean oprah was like hey well i mean you and michelle obama did the same i want to meet oprah so bad oh it's magical oprah makes me nervous i feel like she has too much power that's what i'm saying i feel like i just i just i don't want to meet Oprah so bad. Oh, it's magical. Oprah makes me nervous. I feel like she has too much power. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I feel like I just, I don't know. Like, yeah, it's like I want to meet her, but it's just like maybe it's best that I don't. Yeah.

No, no. I'm kidding. I want to meet her. But like, I don't know why I have this like image of her that's literally larger than life. I don't know. Goddess like. I mean, it was years and years and years of watching people, you know, like I've become so desensitized now to being around Ellen all the time that I forget, you know. So like if we are doing a show and she walks out and everybody goes crazy, I forget that that's their first time because I've gotten so like I have her number, you know.

So like it's like not that anymore. like not that anymore you know it's also she's such a symbol too for like what is like the lgbtq she set the standard she changed things so i think a lot of people look at her that way yeah yeah it says here you can crush the single ladies dance oh yeah yeah yeah well have you so i last halloween on ellen i performed as beyonce so i. So, and I got Beyonce's backup dancers and everything. I was in full drag. The single ladies dance, the choreographer and one of the dancers is a man, is it not? Not in the video. So the man, so Jaqueline Knight is the one that choreographed single ladies.

Yeah. Yes. But he's not in the video? Which one? the official music video yeah uh-uh there was two background dancers actually isn't it one of the girls from glee okay no she does the live performances oh she does the live performance of the blonde girl from the girl i heard that one of the dancers was the choreographer dressed in drag killing it because he couldn't find someone to do it just i could be totally wrong maybe this is i

didn't hear that i don't know where you got that from he's wearing ivy park he's got his ear to the beyonce tunnel but you can do the nans and you did the dance yes i can't i don't want to see that is there a video yeah okay i going to definitely watch that afterwards. So, yeah. I mean, like, you're just killing in life. You're having some fun. You're cooking. What's next for you other than the – well, not other than, but you got the music video.

It's going to be super big. Well, okay. So, actually, this is – and I haven't talked about this yet. So, the way that I did – I strategized my rollout based off of how Mariah Carey did the all I want for Christmas campaign last year how it was just like non-stop Christmas content all the time so I actually did a music video but I also did a short film so I shot a short film for the entire album that is a visual album so it's kind of like a movie musical that I'm going to release in December and so I'm excited about that because I wanted to definitely give it to people

in doses I didn't want to just give it all to everybody at once so I think after this you know I've been thinking about possibly doing more music but I definitely think that once Broadway opens back up I want to do Broadway that's a dream I want to go to New York and do

Broadway that would be so good I also want to do Broadway. That's a dream. That would be so good. I want to go to New York and do Broadway. That would be so good. I also want to do Dancing with the Stars. Nick has done Dancing with the Stars. I feel like you... Oh, baby, you put me on Dancing with the Stars. It's a wrap for everybody. Send everybody home. That's what I'm saying.

I feel like... I'm ready. There's some people in the Dancing with the Stars world who listen to this podcast. I think you putting it out there. You're an easy cast. Please. I've no disrespect to Dancing with the Stars, but you're on your way this way.

Uh-huh. There's kind of a... Are you trying to say he's too big for Dancing with the Stars? No. Well, listen. You're like, he's not Scott Baio. Zendaya did Dancing with the Stars. zendaya did dancing with the stars there are some people on their way up who do dancing with the stars and there's some people who are going in the other direction well i think it depends on why you want to do it you know are you doing it because you need a check or are you doing it because

you just want to do it like i just want to do it i'd like to think i did it on my way up some people like to think i was doing on my way down i i think things are going in the right direction but it was a little different from a real it's like it was almost like a next step yeah you know well i think i'm trying to just get into the abc family so i can go to disneyland nothing oh i think they will would welcome you please what yeah i feel like that's easy just put it out there rob mills was our guest last week who is in charge of that. So we'll just let Rob know. Yeah, please. Make a call. I just feel like that's

super an easy cast for them. Or make me the first gay bachelor. Now that would be quality television. You'd want to do that? Oh, absolutely. That would be quality television. I still think that would be hard cast. It would really shake the table.

It works in paradise. But it doesn't... The whole show is based off of having a single person and then withholding that love. And if you have a house full of people who are also attracted to one another, no one's going to care about the bachelor or the bachelorette it does get a little the whole idea is to like put this person on a

pedestal and then have you never see them and then fall in love with them in your mind you would forget the person exists if if the house was filled with people who liked each other who are like sexually attracted to each other it would just it would be a different it would be paradise so it would it's just hard to do well we can do a gay paradise i mean i'm watching it messy bessie would you would you would you really want to go on bachelor do you watch bachelor in paradise do you watch best i watch bachelor and bachelor red but not bachelor in paradise i know random right Bachelor in Paradise is the best one that's what I always hear I don't think I even knew like Bachelor

in Paradise happened okay well okay those producers are good well this is when I got upset with the Bachelor Red was after Rachel's season when she didn't pick Peter that made me mad

well if you talk to Rachel when she didn't pick Peter. That made me mad. That made me mad. Well, if you talk to Rachel about it, that she was always going to pick Brian. And do you feel the same way? Yeah, it seems like you do. She should have picked Peter. That's not fair to Rachel. She should have picked Peter.

I don't think she should have. Really? Are you friends with Brian? Yeah. That's why you buy it. Well, I don't really know Brian that. Really? Are you friends with Brian? Yeah. That's why you buy it. I don't really know Brian. I've met Brian. I'm good friends with Rachel.

Okay. Because Rachel came from your season. I'm defensive of any lead in the idea of, listen, they're telling a story. And just because Peter may seem more likable and maybe he isn't more likable, that doesn't mean Rachel should love Peter or should want to be with Peter the rest of his life. You know what I'm saying? There's a difference between you wanting to look at him and you liking him and you thinking he's more charming than Rachel. We're talking about a romantic connection.

And actually experiencing it. And experiencing that. And Brian might just be the quiet. Maybe all the things that we talk about we need in relationships, comfort, relatability, communication, sexual attraction, all those things. Maybe Brian, those things aren't necessarily portrayed on a reality TV show. And so I'm very defensive of everyone who on that show like to like america as you are kind of suggesting will have this pressure of like you're supposed to

love this person because we like watching on tv and that's truly the most insane thing and then people are telling us who we should love and then judging us for it and in someone from rachel's position it's like you try to have that perspective but you're just like i love this person i'm with this person i'm feeling judged for it and it it it's hard it i mean but it's also the fun of it not for rachel i mean honestly like for the audience that that was it's a it's i i empathize and feel for rachel because i don't think she gives much shit about it now but that was something when it was happening. Was it a big thing?

Yeah. Well, when you feel like America likes the person you don't want to be with or thinks you should pick the person you don't want to pick better than the person you picked. And that's one thing but then to judge you as a person to make mean comments to criticize your choices based on so much information you don't know is not fair and this is no disrespect to peter but on that show you see silos of people you see one of their many personalities and it's just well i mean with that argument i think that's all of us anybody that has any type of public status or you know is in the in the like yeah you know that's everybody talking about scope i i really like when all this stuff was going on with ellen i mean i i i personally

relate like i don't want to say i related to Ellen, but I can be short. I can be cold. I like to be kind and nice and generous. I also, people will think I'm a dick sometimes. Ellen's always been kind to me. When Ellen came out and said the be nice mantra, she's right. She sets herself up in a sense because there's an expectation of always being a certain way. And then the expectation of your audience that you're not allowed to be human.

And the human is to have good days and bad days and always be on. And, you know, people would make the argument, well, you asked for this life and blah, blah, blah. You know, it's just like, whatever. Well, that's why I am very transparent to say I'm not Ellen. Yeah. You're not going to get that from me you know yeah and and ellen is also human but like i empathize with like yeah we all are we all we have sides that are easiest for us to show we have sides about ourselves that we like showing people some of the some people, it's easier than others.

But there's so many things about us that if the people we love and trust and really allow ourselves, allow those people to get to know us, really see us for who we are. And sometimes it's just a challenge to pick and choose what other people get to know. And sometimes we accidentally show sides of ourselves that we don't want people to know and stuff like that.

Well, we're multifaceted. Yeah. So reality TV. Reality TV. Reality, period. I know you love games. Would you be willing to play a game with us before we let you? Okay, yeah, let's play a game.

We play it with all our favorite guests. Yay! Well, most of our guests. Sometimes it just doesn't make sense. Sometimes it doesn't make sense. It's called Do You Know Me? Okay. Real simple.

Okay. I'm going to ask you a question. Does Kalen this? Does Kalen that? Don't answer right away. Answer in your mind. Chrissy and I will then decide who knows Kalen better. Okay.

If you have an anecdotal story to share to help answer your question, we would love to hear it. If simple yes or no also is fine. Okay. Do you know me? With Kalen Ellen, singer of the wonderful hit new Christmas album. For Christmas sake.

For Christmas sake. Can Kalen touch their tongue to their nose? Can Kalen touch their tongue to their nose? Honestly, I have no idea. Usually I'm good at like. I want to stay sure. I haven't seen his tongue. I'm going to say no, I think just statistically most people can't

really? I thought most people could can you? I can't no I have a short tongue I'm going to say no I'm going to say sure the answer is no I can't do you wish you could?

I can't I think I'm okay has Kaylin cried in the last 24 hours? No, I think I'm okay. I think I'm okay. I'm fine. Has Kaylin cried in the last 24 hours? I'm going to say no. I'm going to also say no. I don't think you're a crier. It doesn't mean you can't cry, but I don't think you are a crier,

getting to know you, this resilient person. No. No crying. No crying. Does Kalen drink pumpkin spice lattes in the fall? No. Yes. No.

Let me elaborate on my answer. Being the chef that he is, pumpkin spice lattes are way too cliche and everyone's doing it he he has a far more i don't know he's from the east coast i thought maybe but a karma brulee latte there you go there's nothing about kaylin that screams pumpkin spice pumpkin spice but whatever you just said yes yes yes karma brulee lattes that's exactly what i was expecting was kaylin part of a clique in high school if by part of a clique he was the leader of his own cult then maybe not called maybe i would say probably like a theater click so i'm gonna say sure like the theater click suggests that you were i think you had people are attracted to you you had followers also called friends but you were a bit of a you've always been a leader

and so i'm gonna say no that you you might have you had friends but they kind of did what you were very suggestive and very convincing and you didn't join a group that had its traditions and did what they did and i don't mean like yeah you were in drama and you were in you know you did stuff but yeah that's what that's my answer well the answer is no i've always been very solo dolo because I'm an only child. So I was always just like, uh. You're an only child. Yep.

I'm like, I'm good by myself. I can play by myself. I'm good. Okay. Me, myself, and I is all I got in the end. I thought maybe the drama thing. I have 10 siblings, but I'm like an only child, which I don't want to spend time with them. Wow, that's a lot.

That's a lot. It's like a home alone house. Maybe that's why you didn't like Christmas that much. I loved Christmas as a kid. Did you guys all get like one present? No, my parents kicked ass for Christmas. My mom would start Christmas shopping in January. Y'all was rich.

No. Where you from? No, in January you're Christmas shopping. That's the sales after Christmas. Oh. No, that's what I'm saying in January, you're Christmas shopping. That's the sales after Christmas. Oh. No, that's what I'm saying. I had a great childhood. We were by no means rich.

My parents always struggled to get by, but they worked hard. And I had a, you know, we were middle class. What state? Wisconsin. But like, my parents bought me what I, they were, they had enough money to buy me what we needed and what we wanted we had to buy ourselves which child were you

I'm the second oldest second oldest boy oh wow yeah okay yeah no my mom would start they would my mom would look for

Christmas presents year round because they had to find the deals mm-hmm that's a good coupon I've been like you each get one present the one that you share

there's not enough room under this tree. But it was like, that's the thing. Like, I got some great gifts and things I really wanted. And I think some of, they weren't always new. Some of them may be used, but always great. Like, you know, my mom just could find a good deal and worked hard at being a good gift giver. Okay.

Has Kaylin ever broken something at a friend's house and not told them? No, he's too honest Yeah, I say that too He would just find a way to own it And apologize and make up for it Yeah, no, he would never not say it I don't even think I've ever broken anything

I think people have broken stuff at my house But Call them out Yeah, but never at theirs. Does Kalen know how many people he slept with? I'm going to say yes. Most people know how many people they slept with. I know how many people I slept with.

I'm going to go off myself. I don't know if I can name all of them. I know. I definitely stopped counting but that doesn't mean I feel I'm gonna say no and we're in without any judgment no judgment I'm not sitting around keeping a tally no who does that

there's one for this week oh how many was like I don't have time for that keep it pushing keep it moving Who does that? They're like, oh, but there's one for this week. Oh, how many was that? I don't have time for that. Keep it pushing. Keep it moving. Thank you. I'm doing so bad at this game. Does Kaylin like to people watch?

Everyone likes to people watch. I love a good people watch. I'd probably be better at people watching if i lived in new york oh yeah like if i was just sitting in central park i'd be people watching all day last question okay okay has kaylin ever accidentally sent an inappropriate text or email to the wrong person yeah we all have i'll say no yeah we all have i'll say no never no you never been like oh shit how do i know i think i'm too careful for that yeah no i got one i'm too absent-minded to not have that not happen to me really i've done it yeah i'm like oh shit sorry sorry ignore that yeah no my chest looks so good doesn't it not an inappropriate picture but just like that i mean i accidentally text people all the time

most of the time it's benign and been like hey that wasn't for you it's like it makes no sense there's been a couple times where i'm like like you know if you're talking about like i yeah if you're talking like you're talking about a person i actually i've never oh like when you're oh okay i get like when you you're talking to somebody about a person you thinking of that person though you accidentally type in their name and then send the message to them i've had that happen to me someone talking about me and sent to me instead of the person they meant to send i've had i've had that happen more than once now see I would love something like that you clap back

oh I'd be ready I've really enjoyed that I'd be like speed down so what was being said what'd you say say it with your chest I love it juicy Kaelin this has been so much fun

thank you I've enjoyed it I really enjoy uh talking with you you're welcome back anytime thank you congratulations on all your success especially your album for christmas sake check it out now it's out now get in the christmas spirit people right now i don't know what it's going on in the world a week from now but chances are a good christmas jingle and song will make you feel better. That's all we need. And Kaylin is here to bring it to you. Yeah, lots going on. Where else can people find you?

You know, you can find me on everything. I make it very simple. You can find me on all social media platforms at TheKaylinAllen. Thank you guys for listening. I'm just jealous because I don't have that synergy across all. My Twitter's all just a mess that's fine mine's the as well the makes it legit I just got too many people with my name

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