The Viall Files - E200 Episode 200 With Justin Long

Episode Date: November 18, 2020

It is our 200th episode and we could not be more excited to be joined by Actor, Director, Screenwriter Justin Long. Today we find out how completely invested Justin is when it comes to The Bachelor Franchise as he gets all of his fandom questions answered by Nick. In this extended episode of The Viall Files Justin talks about his podcast Life Is Short With Justin Long, stories from film sets, how people ask him for relationship advice thanks to his role in He’s Not That Into Your, and most importantly the Apple discount he never was afraid to use. Its a little all over the map when these two get to talking so sit back, get settled in, and enjoy this 200th episode of The Viall Files.  “I remember the names of Bachelors more than I remember things I should, like names of Presidents“ Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes.  THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Each And Every: http://www.eachandevery.com/viall and use code VIALL for 30%off. MVMT: http://www.mvmt.com/viall for fast free shipping and free returns. Noom: http://www/noom.com/viall for your free trial. Masterclass: http://www.masterclass.com/viall for unlimited access for you and a friend right now.  Episode Socials:  @viallfiles @nickviall @justinlong See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

what is going on everybody welcome to the 200th episode of the vow Files. Thanks for sticking with us. You're the host. Nicholas. How many people do you think have listened to all 200 episodes? I don't know. I would say a good, maybe like 1,000. Two? 2,000?

Three people? That'd be a lot. I'd say at least 1,000 people listened to the whole thing from top to bottom. That'd be impressive. That would be be impressive i'd also be slightly concerned why i don't know i'm kidding no judgment for anyone who has thank you uh no it really means a lot uh when we started this show quite frankly i didn't know what to expect i do remember being excited about getting to our 10th episode and uh because i there's this thing in the podcast world where as you guys know there's a lot of podcasts out there everyone thinks they can start a podcast everyone has an idea of why they should start a podcast and then and i felt this too you get to like your third or fourth episode and you're just like, what do we talk about now?

You know? And so it, it means a lot that we were able to, to get to 200. And obviously it's, it's only because you guys are listening and are so passionate and dedicated to supporting the show. And just want to say thank you.

Also, thank you Chrissy for helping produce the show by just want to say thank you. Also, thank you, Chrissy, for helping produce this show. You're welcome. By helping, I mean producing the show, I guess along with me. Yeah, we're partners. Chrissy does behind the work. If you liked any of our guests that we've, say,

had over the past several months, Chrissy is the reason why, and so much of that is thankless, I guess, because it's unseen. Chrissy does. So thank you, Chrissy. Thank you. Including these balloons.

I mean, you're welcome for these balloons. We have a great episode for you. Someone I was excited to have since I started the podcast. Justin Long is our guest. I know a lot of you have suggested Justin be on because you love the movie. He's just not that into you. And obviously so much of what we do on our ass.

Nick kind of echoes that thought process. And just a heads up, it's a long episode. No pun intended for Justin Long being our guest. He is a diehard Bachelor fan. And quite frankly, we had to indulge his enthusiasm. Like seriously he's like so pulled apart. He knows everything. He knows the littlest

tiniest things about people's seasons. It was like. It's fun. It was so good to watch. So I hope that you take the time to listen to the whole thing because everything is a great little nugget yeah but it's a lot of fun and uh i think i think justin will be coming back for an ask nick

episode um to kind of play that role if you will he's so fun and uh so look out for that and depending on schedules and maybe i'm putting it out there and that's why I'm saying it now. He said he would do it. Well, this episode is long enough so why don't we just get to Justin. Hey, thanks for thanks for sticking with us guys. I'm curious about

how your persona on the show affected your life and like the way people interacted with you. It's affected a lot. I bet. But I've always, I'm fortunate to have done it later in life.

Right. Having already like an idea of who you were. Because that's the thing I find fascinating about the show is that a lot of these guys go on and they try to create, you can see them like poorly creating a persona. And I'm thinking specifically of the silly goose, Chris, who, I don't know. The goose man'm thinking specifically of uh the silly goose chris who i don't know the goose man the silly goose your your producer's nodding you know what i'm

talking he i don't know if you remember this but when he was first on he was quite like humorless and kind of a hostile kind of like a hostile aggressive type guy he was he wasn't well liked he was a little like nicky cat and dazed and confused remember the guy who's like yes remember he was he looked like he did he looks like him yeah just a little he takes himself a little too serious a little simeon yeah deep down he probably means well but he's just life has gotten him a little doubt and he's just a little on edge yes he's on edge a little serious and he got a little shitty he his something came out in him on the show and there was a moment of truth where he got defiant i think maybe when he got kicked off or something he was like well i don't like you

either you know it was some sort of like yeah tried to stand his ground and he ended up looking kind of so then cut to he comes back for this is one of my favorite moments paradise and he's adopted this whole new persona which is the silly goose i'm just uh because he probably saw himself on the show and he was like he was george costanza stanza like i'm gonna do the opposite to get a nickname you know right you know how george comes in he wants everyone to call him t-bone t-bone right right yo you're more like a uh coco yeah like a coco uh yeah that was him. He was like, call me Goose. But you can't pick your name.

And you certainly can't pick your persona if you've already shown some true color. So he comes back and now he's like, he's the fun loving guy. And there's a great montage. I don't know if you remember this. Where he's expressing his new silly Gooseness. And he does like a cartwheel or tries to do a cartwheel and kind of kind of messes it up and instead of laughing at himself he gets self-conscious and like he kind of like straightens his shirt that's when you saw the true chris yes which i think is amazing when

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it at first well at first i i watched just because the girl i i was dating somebody who was really into it and i was like okay i know it's like it's on sure i'm gonna sit there and within like before the first commercial break i was like i remember the commercial came up and i was like fuck i want to keep watching it i i couldn't get get over how good it was i was so hooked right away and it was i think it was sean lowes right des or no no des was before des i believe wait did sean right now i'm See, my memory is so bad. And part of, sometimes I'm like, I just remember names of Bachelors more than I remember, like, things I should remember. You know, presidents and historical events that are important. But I remember Dez.

I remember Dez really liking, this is when it got fascinating. She really liked that guy. I remember that, like, he was from Utah. Handsome, tall. Yeah. Kind of like bohemian vibes like brooks brooks brooks who was again like hot charming but like seemed like he was just being himself kind of thing she was so into him and then he was like to his credit it was one of the most noble moments he was like i'm not feeling it and he left and she freaked out

understandably because like that's probably the guy you would know this better than anyone that's the person that you like how can you like more than one person that much you can't well i i couldn't but some people made and uh when i was the bachelor vanessa was that person for me and once i early on was like i'm pretty sure this is the person i'm gonna pick i immediately felt like I was back on The Bachelorette because I was just afraid of like, if she leaves, I'm fucked. Right.

So you have to like really try to be the most, so do you find you're still playing it up more for her? Not playing it up, but like just like you would any natural somebody you liked. Let's say it's Addison. Yeah. Yeah. You would be a little more whatever. Yeah. Well, there's a, you would be a little more whatever.

Yeah, well, you still feel, when you're the Bachelor, you still feel in control. There is such a power dynamic that is unnatural. That's another thing that's fast normal in any environment. You already have status. It's so much status that these contestants like you regardless in a way that's yes there yes well there's that's the thought and then there's a mind fuck of at least for me i'm a heady person and i'm constantly over analyzing things yeah like well then is it real is it genuine what if i like someone does she like me back

etc etc but yes you definitely feel in control until you don't who was the race car drive ari yeah i mean jesus some of those dates were like you know it was tough we my brother and i had this thing where we um we were seeing how many episodes could go by without him attempting a joke he didn't even attempt jokes he didn't even try and then i never noticed oh my god he was pretty brutal oh but once once you kind of tune into it it was fat it was like and sometimes he would say things in sort of a playful way and we were like does that count as a joke you know it was really fascinating and then that girl he ended up going back to yeah there were moments that and i know they edited a certain way lauren yeah it was just like crickets and like oh i felt so bad for both

of them that they just sit in this silence of like not even good silence like but you were somebody who there weren't those moments only because i think you were a better talker you were smarter you were good at being on dates were you good on dates like prior to this like are you were you always like that where you're just like a better talker I I'm long-winded yeah yeah yeah I mean I've always been good at talking yes and I do remember when I was uh i've said this before but i sold software right before i went on the show you said that many times yes yeah but but that's not what i'm saying no no and and for a company like salesforce i worked with a lot of smart people yeah i was surrounded by people

that i i never felt that smart i felt like i i was fine i knew enough to be dangerous i fit in i didn't feel stupid but i never tech talk to be dangerous and i i should be a t-shirt when i went on andy's season uh because she was smart she was yeah but the other the cast of men i've never been told how smart i was right you're so valid like you're so smart i was like what I'm not huh and like the producers were just like we just love how you talk to Andy and like and I'm like I'm just having just asking normal like follow questions and that's it's like uh the movie Idiocracy uh Luke Wilson plays a guy who's just totally average um just like the average he gets chosen for this program to be sent into the future

because he's just the most average average i'm not saying you're the most average person but but then he ends up in the future where everyone's like devolved to being i don't know if you've seen the movie where they're all i haven't seen that one they're just really dumb every the whole everyone's become so dumb and and luke wills they think he's like a genius he's that's kind of how it was for me and andy season. Now, it's gotten a lot. Now, literally the way you described that, that's how I felt. I was like, I'm not, no. That's funny.

That's so funny. But they've gotten smarter. I mean, Claire has a bunch of aeronomical people and chess players and anesthesiologists. I know. The chess guy, I mean, every time. How many times have you mentioned chess? Well, the show dumbs it down. Like dumbs down oh oh because the format right you know such a format they got to do activities and stuff like they're at a kid's party i i always like i always like the

idea of you got i loved when it's just like you talking either if if it's good if it's like you can see the chemistry or more entertainingly if it's not yeah you know like that's that's when it's to me yes that to me is the like did you ever how did you when like you with sean like your season when you went you and caitlin had a lot of chemistry obviously but caitlin to me seemed like right away with sean yeah and obviously you don't know that you're in the house, but did you get that sense? Was there any sense of like, oh, this guy's got it locked up? Well, that was different because I showed up late.

I don't know if you remember. That's right. And she called me the night before not knowing I was showing up and told me that there was one other guy she really liked and she was just like being honest with me. So you kind of knew going in, I knew that she liked him.

Now, what, what compelled you to, to do that, to go back on then? I mean, you liked her. Yeah.

Wow. Like that, that was the only, like I've, that was the only time I actually went for the girl. Right. And the first time I was like, I'll travel.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That makes sense. And then that that was actually a as silly as it sounds like an actual earnest attempt no like meeting someone I liked uh and you did you got to know each other on like Instagram yeah like I mean like we we've like we're talking on the phone and facetiming and and then I was asked to meet her and I was like, you know what, fuck it. Oh my God. So then was that somebody that you thought about revisiting?

Like after, I mean, years later, I mean, is that somebody you had a connection with? Do you ever think about, because I wonder that like going back and certain exes, I think, oh, it might be, why not? Definitely not. Okay. Well, it's more like because it's, yeah,

because most of the time in that world it it elicits the maximum amount of emotions you would feel for any one person right but there's so much you don't learn about someone of course and in most cases like in the real world in dating yeah you can have an infatuation with someone you can have a great friday night with someone but that doesn't mean you have like right you know an actual compatibility yeah but this forces it this forces it so you know with andy or with caitlin or with vanessa or any girl i really met on that show it was i maximized maximize whatever chemistry i had that makes sense yeah but yeah i realized quickly there was no real sustainable opportunity so relationship is

that an answer to the question like like, does the show work anymore? Sure. Like, can the show work? Yeah, it can. You think it can? Sure. Because can dating apps work? You know, there's way more failed attempts on a dating app than there is success.

I know, but like you said, everything is so heightened in that atmosphere that to the point where it creates these false illusions of connection. Well, I will say that I feel, I don't know if you really know if you're in love with someone in that atmosphere to maybe like a year later. Yeah, right, right. There are so many variables that most relationships don't have to consider. There is the monetary, like you're worth more in a relationship. God.

You know? And so when you break up, there's this like, you're like, I'm saying goodbye to six figures. My Neil Lane ring. Oh my God. Yeah. Because you become like a professional couple. Yeah. Like I noticed that

with dylan and that who's that adorable hannah g super cute uh but the two of them both really cute like yeah like why wouldn't they be together but they were both i dylan really liked her and hannah was with somebody else right seemed to really like somebody else yeah and who knows how much that was from a show right and also like, like, I think in that, I don't know them all that well. Or Jared. Jared and Ashley. Well, they're very close friends of mine. Okay, so Jared for so long was rebuking Ashley's advances.

Is that the right word? Yeah. Nick actually told Ashley this will never happen at one point. Isn't that true? Yeah. Oh, really? On the show. And off the show.

I was like, just stop. Stop. One time we were at Din Tai Fung. Are you sure? Yesterday. Love. I love Din Tai Fung. Can we go together?

I go there three times a week. What's your order? I start with the cucumber salad. Me too. And then it's the rice cakes. And quite frankly, really, you don't... Never had the rice cakes. Okay.

Really? Well, don't judge me. I'm sure. There may be daggers. They compete with the park song. Xiaolongbao. In terms of... I can't really say it.

The soup dumplings. You know, I'm proud to say at the one in Glendale, they called me Justin Longbao. Because I went there all the time. I'm multiple times yeah um and i and well do they have a nickname for you they don't no no i still wait and uh and the uh spite the the shrimp and pork spicy wontons amazing yes always although you know i gotta say i went there i went there yesterday and they um i don't want to say anything negative it's delicious and you know it's a pandemic in their head i'm glad that they're i'll tell you later but it was delicious yeah it's not the same you and i went eight months without eating it because it is not the same to go you can't get it to go i didn't i sat there outside it was really

nice the one in um the westfield century century city um there is a this is soup dumplings uh we're talking about i'm not telling you i'm not mansplaining dumplings to you i'm telling the audience in case they don't know uh they're dumplings called xiaolongbaos and they have soup inside of them uh and there's there's a place in new york called excellent dumpling house shout out and they are i loved in taifeng but they are so much better really Really? So good. Next time you're there, Joe's. I've heard about Joe's. Joe's is very good.

There's another place in Chinatown, but this place, Excellent Dumpling House in Chelsea. It's better. And you wouldn't think. It looks like kind of a generic hole in the wall. That's fine. So good. Yeah.

But Din Tai Fung, do you do the crab and the pork? Yeah. Okay, yeah. God, delicious. So I'm at Din Tai fung oh yeah actually okay oh yeah well what a derailment sorry oh no please i'm so hungry i'm indulging you and the bachelor and oh i thank you and the wood ear mushrooms and the and i don't get those oh and the seaweed um tofu salad delicious try that yeah everything they do is great you're from connecticut you

gotta fill up on all that stuff while you're here exactly i was uh so i took ashley there for lunch and this was prior to us going on paradise actually i actually i and and i still wasn't gonna go and she was trying to convince me to go uh-huh and i'm like are you gonna go she's like i think so and i'm like are you on paradise yeah so now why what are your reservations about going at the time yeah well at the time i i was like i'm done with the show and i had moved to la right how many times you've been on up to that point twice okay all right and you know i had some very emotional experiences yeah and i just felt exhausted from it so who did i see the other day um oh i saw someone a contestant who like hadn't been on nearly as many times as you. And I was like, holy shit, it's so-and-so.

Did you say hi? No. No, who was it? It wasn't Hannah. Who's the other Hannah? Not Hannah G. Hannah Brown, the bachelorette? Oh, maybe it was Hannah Brown.

I forget. This is how bad my memory is. No, I didn't say hi because I, no, it wasn't. No, it wasn't. You know who it was? It was the guy who's with Dean now. The who's with the kayla kaylin yes it was very pretty and um now it's dean you know do you know you know all these people he's a friend i'm so starstruck you know all these dean's a friend you know him uh yeah dean with the mustache and he

and is he really living in his he's truly a nomad that's so cool yeah that was a transformation I didn't see coming you know he's always that he was yeah

he literally that's kind of that was his childhood oh he didn't express that on the show when he was first on yeah he I know he had

the dad who was really like into that was really his childhood was very much nomadic nomadic and so that i

think he's very comfortable that's where he feels most at home well he had tremendous father issues and it was very sad to see him his whole childhood is a bit uh kind of untethered yeah oh wow fascinating well what so i saw kaylin and i got a star star but i'm sorry you were saying you were with uh ashley you so you went to tintaifeng with ashley i i it's also hard to picture ashley not crying well yeah yeah i so she was just like i'm going i'm gonna go and i was just like i'm friends with both of them and i was as a friend i've always been the friend who's just i'm gonna just tell you how this is and i'm like can you just not go don't go back

on if you're just gonna do what you did before like we've seen that yeah we know that actually and it's depressing if you want to go why don't you try to meet someone else there'll be more guys did she know jared was gonna be on she knew jerry was gonna go and they were best friends so they oh they were yeah they were like and that was kind of jared's fault like enabling yes he did that so many times yeah and and i at a certain point it's like jared now you have to be there but at din tai feng i was like you're just you're never gonna be with he's i know jared he doesn't want to date you and she starts bawling at oh that's so middle of din tai feng no and you want to enjoy the dumplings well then i felt like people are gonna look at me because i'm making the girl cry yes oh. Oh, no, it's Nick.

I know. I'm like, well, stop crying. Yeah. Oh, he's as bad as I thought he was. Oh, it's also you don't want to babysit when you're enjoying those dumplings. No. God damn. You just want to have such a pleasurable place.

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they're good TV, they're either too aggressive or they're just weird or like, who's the guy from Florida who wore high pants and model, he said he was a model.

Tyler? What is it? Not Tyler. Jordan. Jordan. Jordan. Oh. Who was great. I thought Jordan was great because he's very on, he was a model. Tyler? What is it? Not Tyler. Jordan! Jordan! Who was great. I thought Jordan was great because he's very on. He was just, you know, he said what was on. It was entertaining to watch him. I'm impressed that

I knew that. Jordan. Yeah, me too. Jordan. Yeah, but he did. I liked him. He was playful. He wore the gold underwear and stuff and he did bits. But that kind of guy, I forget who the Bachelorette was at the time, but do they encourage them to keep certain people on the show?

They never make you send anyone home that you want to be in a relationship with or that you want to pursue romantically. They never do. That you get to keep whoever you want. Yeah. And that number is usually limited. And are those people,

do they ever, they never suggest like, hey, why don't you keep so-and-so well again it's more you if if you're if there's 30 people there uh-huh and you only care about keeping five yeah then you don't care about the other yeah yeah people so it's not about making you keep someone you know what i'm saying yes but love the the relationship is the parent is the most important yeah so if you're like i'm they've never if you're like i i like this person i want to get to know them they don't send them home well like to keep a chat on let's say like why would somebody keep chat on because they're more entertaining than right yeah yeah but you know

it always gets to a point where she's like okay but i don't like chat yeah and they're more entertaining than... Right. Yeah. Yeah. But, you know, it always gets to a point where she's like, okay, but I don't like Chad. Yeah. And they're like, yeah, we know. Okay. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. There was never a time where Chad never had got to stay...

Because... Because... And then forcing Jojo. Okay. She didn't have to send someone home she was considering putting. I see. I see. That makes sense.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That never happens. Okay. And when it gets to that point, that's when the chads go home okay okay all right all right uh as entertaining as they are yeah so back to the uh yeah actually i didn't type fun no that he just oh he's just had an interview so he's just had an interview well and we're back have we started rolling um where uh yeah so during around the time that movie came out, I remember a lot of people would approach me.

Probably people who listen to the show. People who approach you, I imagine. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I feel like my audience for our Ask Nick episodes would come up to you and probably ask you for dating advice. Yeah, they would. Really, matter of fact, Bachelor Nationals, Citizens of Bachelor Nation.

Citizens of Batch. Yeah. And they would say, yeah, like, hey, I have this problem. Or like when I was doing those Apple commercials, the Mac PC, people would ask me for computer advice, like technical advice. I was listening to your podcast. Yeah, yeah. And you talked about that. I thought it was very-

That's so nice that you listened. It's a great podcast. It's really kind of you. Life is short if you're listening and are curious. You were talking about how, well, A, you're bad at technology. Terrible. And you were doing these ample commercials, and they wouldn't give you a device or something to that effect

I did them for four years, the first two years they gave me a discount a 15% discount such a slap in the face but I'll take any discount like you were the other than Steve Jobs you were

the sprint guy you were or the sprint guy like you weren't even like this you were playing the actual system yeah i'm a mac well i think they're they were probably thinking well we're paying him so like you take some of the money that we couldn't throw you a phone i know well you know and they were i have to say my my mom had not to this is my sub story my mom had cancer at the time and i feel like i'm on a second episode of The Bachelor. She was. This will get you to week four. Oh, man.

I can sense that we're not going anywhere. And so I have to tell you that my mom had cancer. So now you have to keep me on for, how many shows would you have to keep me on for? God, you love bringing it back to The Bachelor. But if we were like, like, let's say it was, does it depend on how big the tragedy is? Get out of it. Like, I was in my, you know, sometimes it's like twice removed.

It's like, oh, your grandparents went through a thing. It doesn't mean. Yeah. You know, oh, your grandfather's sick. Again, it just comes down to your second uncle's not doing well. How many people the lead likes? And as you just said earlier,

you can't really like more than two or three. My great aunt has pneumonia. Okay, well, how often do you see her? Yeah, two or three. That must be tough. But you got photographed not using an iPhone. Oh, I did, yeah. But wait, how did your mom have cancer go with the apples?

Oh, my point. Good point. They gave us a lot of free products for it. She did a cancer benefit. And Apple at the time gave us a lot of products for that. So like, whatever. They don't need me saying good or bad things about their company. They're fine.

But I do want to say that just because like, yeah, the 15% discount sounds a little chintzy. But they gave us a lot of free stuff. But I also, to say that just because like, yeah, the 15% discount sounds a little chintzy. But they gave us a lot of free stuff. But I also, I'm cheap. So when I would, I use the discount. I'm cheap. So I go to the Apple store and I like their products. So I was always confronted with like, you know, how to bring up the discount. So I would say like.

At the Trumbull Mall. At the Trumbull Mall. At the Trumbull Mall, let's say. And this is when they were playing those ads at the store. So all of the employees, the geniuses, they'd always look at me with a mix of... It was like a mix of annoyance and a slight bit of excitement. There was like excitement and like, oh, I'm so sick of that guy.

But also the, whoa, weird, that's the guy. Because they were playing those commercials on a loop at the store. And so I would go up to one of them and I had my stuff and I would say, you know, I actually have, I kind of work for Apple. Yeah, we know.

Like I know who you are. Yeah, I mean, you must, do you still get reactions? Sometimes, not as much. But they would say, we know. Like, I know who you are. Yeah, I mean, you must, do you still get reactions when you go to the Apple store? Sometimes, not as much. But they would say, I know, and I'd say, you know, and I also have this,

so I have like a discount. And they go, oh, okay, we'll give you the employee discount, which is 10%. So then it was like, the second hurdle was like, how do I bring up that it's 15%? I was going to be like, I would be like,

oh, his discount probably like 40%. And then you have to be shamed. Yeah, I would be. If I worked at Apple, I would just be like, oh, well, just take whatever you want. Well, you must like, here's the key.

That phone case looks great for you. Well, at the time, I just thought like, there's such a popular company that they don't need to give away. You know, so I was talking to my friend, so this is name dropping, but Blake Lively was on was on gossip girl at time and it was a big show and and uh i i told blake like about my 15 discount she was like oh that's weird and i was like why she's like oh

they just give me stuff all the time give me tons of stuff uh yeah so they didn't give so i would then say oh it's 15 and they go uh okay then i would get the reaction from someone who worked there like he's lying no just like how cheap how cheap like you need the extra five percent they would give you a kind of i don't know maybe i was projecting but um yeah i'd always get it like it was never like yes sir you know yeah it was no like deferential it was never easy to get that discount. No, no. And then at a certain point, they gave me the phone after they...

Yeah, I was photographed on a flip phone after the iPhone had come out. So they were like, we'd like to send him one and get him set up with it and all that. I think just because it was embarrassing for whatever. At the time, it was like a thing. This was 10 years ago. Now, who cares? What's your favorite role or movie you've ever done? And do you have one that you actually hate?

I don't have any. I don't have a role I've done that I hate. I don't really have any. I've done some even bad movies I've done. I don't really regret any – I've done some – even bad movies I've done, I don't really regret any of the experiences. Just because I – no. There was one. There was a sequel they made to Waiting that I thought was –

Yeah. Did they? Yeah. They made a sequel. It's a great movie. I watched it not too long ago. Also Ryan Reynolds. I just can't.

I'm obsessed with him. You are. I've had the best interactions of a celebrity in my life have always been with Ryan Reynolds. Oh, he's so nice. Yeah. He's so nice. Funny. Yeah.

So great. Yeah, he was great. He was, at the time, we all would hang out so much. I mean, we were shooting in New Orleans, and it was just such a fun experience. But Ryan was, he was in a really, he was dating, I think, Alanis Morissette at the time. Oh, yeah. And I think they, she was more of a think Alanis Morissette at the time. And, and I think they, she was more of a stay at home type person.

So I think they were, so he didn't come out as much as, but whenever he came out, it was, yeah, he's such a fun. That was like the Van Wilder kind of like waiting. Yeah.

It was mid 2000s. Waiting was great. I don't know. I don't know. I, but the sequel was, I did it day. It was just one of those things where when I saw it, I thought like't know. But the sequel was, I did it, Dan.

It was just one of those things where when I saw it, I thought like it felt, whatever. Forced. Yeah. It just wasn't my thing. And it hasn't aged all that well. But he's just not that into people will be like, what's, because I give advice in that movie. Yeah. And I guess, I don't know if you're, you strike me as somebody who's like this, like

very good at giving advice and not. Yeah. I have like a whole show. Yeah. A whole show but like no but the rest of it is like that you're not great at following it you know that you're not yeah that's 100 i'm better at giving it me too but also part of it too is it's easier if anyone's better at giving advice because you see it clearer. You're not invested. The stakes are non-existent. You're not blinded by your own bias or ego or bullshit.

Or chemicals. Chemicals or the things that you want and you see it for what it is when you're not emotionally invested. Don't you wish you could employ that kind of wisdom and that clarity when you're in a relationship? I have gotten better as I've gotten older. Yeah, me too. I've been able to, you know, what doesn't change is the visceral reaction or emotional reaction you have in any given situation for whatever it is you're feeling. You're like, you respond to it.

But as I got older, you were just like just like okay i should probably look at this differently more i know what i'm doing i've done this before and then that and i get better more kind of pragmatic a little bit more yeah that's the wisdom of it's nice have you so that character you played are you like that or were you because you also seem like we're let like for me like my friends i that's who i was with my friends. Like with Ashley. I was like, I was the friend that when you're ready to hear the truth, I'll tell you. And you seem like, listening to your podcast, like the really empathetic, sweet guy that you'd be like, I need to hear something nice and I'm going to go to Justin.

Or are you? That's nice of you to say. Yeah, I think I am. I think I'm good at giving advice to people I really enjoy it I like um especially if it's a friend you know of course I and I love going to friends for for advice like that too I've I've relied on that I think in my life who's the person in your life that you would go to? Oh, my brother, for sure. But I have a friend, Togo. Addison is a very good advice giver.

Yeah, I mean, there's a few. Not many. I don't have many really, really close friends. But a few. With listening to your part, you've obviously been working as an actor and successful for so long. You've worked with so many people are you numb to it do you ever get starstruck has anyone ever been when you're working with

someone well clearly bachelor people get starstruck on the street real celebrities he's freaking out over well i yeah yeah because i know again like i've seen so much of you. So it's very surreal to see you. Not to make you uncomfortable. I mean, I feel the same about you. Yeah, it's strange. I am, yeah, you know, trying to think. Like, I just got to work with Greg Nicotero, who is, I was a huge horror fan. And he's a special effects guy that I like.

Some of the things he worked on were, yeah. I mean, I was really starstruck to know that this guy's hands created the dinosaurs in Jurassic Park or Dawn of the Dead. He worked with George Romero. So things like that. Like the geek out stuff. Geek out stuff. Michael J. Fox

to me is 100%. Back to the Future. I mean, I have family ties about all of them Poison Ivy our generation yeah

I died meeting him died well I got to briefly work with him but like which was a thrill and I was proud of myself for holding back

and not like gushing like right away I kind of like took my time but he I shouldn't say this publicly because now he's gonna stop he recently i saw i thought i was seeing things on instagram um this is why i gotta like get off or not be on instagram so much because i've invested too much

in it and he started following me and i got yeah that was my reaction like a real i mean that's amazing oh i started i mean i should i don't want him to know this but i i played it very cool i wanted it right away to dm him and my brother's um wife fiance was like no to do not you know play it cool like give it a couple days is that what you're supposed to do uh because ben platt followed i found out that'd be cool ben platt was followed he's been following me forever what and i found out and i dm'd him i was was following He's been following me forever Yeah What? And I found out Jealous And I DM'd him

I was just like Oh yeah I just was like I geeked out When I found out You followed me No I bet he No I'm sure he appreciated it

And I didn't play it cool Did he respond? He did not Oh Okay This was recent I'm giving him time Well maybe

He just got over COVID It was like in Hollywood Reporter Yeah Well I'm telling myself it's that I don't really look at the DM yeah, he just got over COVID. It was like in Hollywood Reporter yesterday. I'm telling myself it's that. I don't really look at the DMs. Maybe he just doesn't look at those. It said seen.

Oh, you can see if it's seen. Well, because he follows me. So it was like a gut punch. You don't follow me. If I DMed you and said I'm such a big fan, I wouldn't know. Do you follow me? I do. Oh, okay. Well, this is awkward.

I'll follow you next time. Okay, hold on. As soon as we leave. Oh, that's funny. So you know that he saw it. Yeah. But he had COVID. So I'm telling myself that's it.

But now you're telling me about that the advice you got was not to geek out over Michael J. Fox. And I'm wondering if I just didn't get it cool. I'm usually good at playing it cool. I bet, yeah. I really, or with people I've dated that I never thought I would date, that was hard.

I can't play them on a date with someone so cool. With somebody that you knew? Like a famous person? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And is that like different does it feel different i mean it must a little bit just because you talk about knowing somebody like well for i mean like

yeah it was i had you know for most of my life i was just a kid in the midwest yeah yeah yeah so there were just a couple there were a couple dates i had where i you know i could i remembered 15 years before that right like this person's person in the world and now i'm on a you're a normal person yeah i'm gonna i have to be normal the whole date was just about being getting through just be normal yeah what is that like for you because yeah you're used to just playing a character. I used to hate talking too much about my personal life. Yeah, and you do a lot of that. And quite frankly, some podcasts I listen to that I like, I try to take notes from.

And what you and your brother do a great job of, your intros are fantastic. Oh, that's so nice. You always tell this story. And then, oh, by the way, it's... Kind of tie it in. You tie it in to whoever your guest is going to Yeah. And then, oh, by the way, it's... Kind of tie it in. You tie it into whoever your guest is going to be. Yeah.

I really appreciate it, by the way. Oh, thanks, Nick. But you're telling a story. In fact, I just listened to all your intros. I haven't listened to all your episodes. Oh, that's so nice. But I've listened to... Because you're always telling a story about yourself.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's... I think the thing that we're both very conscious to avoid is stories that involve other people that might be hurt by it. Or like ex-girlfriends I don't like talking about. Not because I don't like them as people. I just don't want to. I don't feel like they have.

It's not really fair because they don't have a say. Do you tell the stories? Like for me, when I talk about relationships. Won't say names. I won't say names i won't say names i'll some change periods of time oh because it's just i don't want anyone to be able to figure out who that person was and how they affected it and and i and i understand that there's an interest in that like i even now you you're talking about people that you went on dates with that like you were famous of course i'll like i'm sure everyone listening is like i wonder who he's talking about and i do it's like there's just something gossipy and and the blind item the blind item the blind it's like a blind item thing yeah oh that's when they don't

say the person's name yeah yeah yeah are you very uh guarded talking about your dating life yeah personal life yeah yeah because again it's, it's not really fair, I think, to whoever it was that you, not that I have, or even talking about like, God, some of my favorite stories about shooting, about working are when working with people who were like difficult or where it didn't go well. And those are the best, those are my favorite stories. And I't like and i i don't feel like it's fair to even if the person was a dick or like

kind of you could make an argument that they well they deserve for that to be like out there but i still don't i just don't think it's fair some people do some people talk about you know certain actors and yeah i i i side with you because you never really like you never really know what they're going to do the traffic thing um and your perception might be different here's an example and i do talk about it because i have i know uh this actor who's an incredible actor um passed away and i know his a little bit of sign i know i just know that they know that I respect him. So I can say this, which is, I did this movie called Tusk, which is like a body mutilation movie, a really bizarre movie, which often people say, like, will come up to me with a big smile and be like, I hated that

movie. You know, they'll say it really nicely. I hated it. Oh my god, you were in that? Oh, I fucking hated it. But it's something we worked really hard on. It's always so weird to take. But the guy that I worked with in that was Michael Parks, an incredible actor. I was so excited to work with him. And for the first couple of days, he was kind of prickly with me. And I was getting nervous that we wouldn't be, because we had so much to do together. It was a really intimate stuff.

It was really just the two of us. And he plays this kind of mad scientist, Vincent Price type character. And we did a scene where my character's waking up from being drugged and Michael's cut off my leg. And I discover my leg is removed. And it's really difficult. It was a scene that I was like you know not dreading I was excited to do it but it was it I knew it would be difficult

and Michael I was doing something in the scene the way I was playing it where he started laughing and Kevin Smith was director and he kept encouraging me to get him to laugh more and it was a great note it was like because there was something really sinister something very real about the way Michael was because he really was laughing and and something so sinister about it because he was I'm in this I'm so vulnerable he's kidnapped me he's done all this stuff to me and he's like giggling and it's really great but after we did that scene we got in the van to go home and and he started talking to me for the first time and he told me about his life and he started telling me stories about that were i mean they were like second date bachelor stories

that he would have like he would have gotten through to the top three if he had said these stories really tragic like crazy shit that he went through and immediately it put all of those other days prior to that in full view, in full, I had such clarity about them. It put them to such perspective that this guy just was dealing with a lot of pain. And to me, I was some young actor. He didn't know me.

He didn't know. And he had also had a stroke six months earlier, which no one knew. And so he was struggling to remember lines. He had fallen and had this major thing. So the fact that he was there at all was like incredible and it was like his last you know i am so grateful for that experience and and and so i could tell a story there's a version of that story which is oh this guy was a dick to me the first couple of days and like he was really tough and just end it there i worked with a pa once um really nice girl who who said um at the end of the shoot it was on a long shoot

like five months on this movie herbie and she said justin you know good luck with your career i hope you i hope you never change and i was like oh that's nice to say she goes yeah i hope because you know you're whatever whatever um it sounds like humble brag. But she was like, you just seem like an easy, but I hope you don't, if you become whatever, I hope you don't change. She goes, don't become like one of these Tom Hanks types. And I go, Tom Hanks? I thought, he's a national treasure. Yeah, I was like, what do you mean?

I thought Tom, immediately I got defensive of Tom Hanks. And I was like, wait a minute. And she said, I said, I thought he was supposed to be so nice. She goes, oh, no, no, no. Let me tell you. And then you think, well, shit, she's an on-set PA. I don't buy it. Which, well, oftentimes, like, I did give her the benefit of the doubt

because they see the real behavior. Oh, no, I agree. And like, maybe, I don't know what he's like. I've never met him. And I know his son. His son's very nice. I'm surprised. And I said, well don't know what he's like. I've never met him. And I know his son. His son's very nice. I'm surprised. And I said, well, what did he do?

And she said, well, I bumped it. I said, did you work with him? No. A friend and I were on the promenade in Santa Monica. We ran into him. And we were like, oh, my God, can we have an autograph picture? And he kind of rolled his eyes a little bit and turned to his wife and said, like his breath but we heard him i told you we shouldn't have come here and i was like oh well that does kind of suck but and that was all she was going to tell me and i go wow that does suck

but i'm still trying to defend him because it's fucking tom hangs and i was like i'm still team tom in this me too at this point i am too i am said, well, you know, it's the promenades in Santa Monica. Maybe he was just getting bombarded. And she goes, oh, no, he was. Because then when we walked away, he, like, ran up to us and, like, tried to apologize and, like, took pictures and signed stuff. And I was like, hold on, hold on. Tom Hanks ran after you, felt so bad that he had had this moment ran after you and apolit profusely apologized and did all the things you wanted him to do

and and apologize and the story you're telling me is that so mad right now right so mad so mad well it was such a good example it was such a like lesson you know like people like telling people like trash yeah the first restaurant i went to and and because the story of tom hanks is so nice is a story that's been told over and over exactly and the yeah tom hanks is actually a dick story that may that doesn't not true yeah no one has it, but that was her nugget. Yes. I think maybe this kind of stuff hits me a little bit harder because the first restaurant I went to after,

during the pandemic, this was only about a month and a half ago, I was at home cooking the whole time. I mean, we get takeout and stuff, but the first restaurant I went to, went to. It was just weird being back and being in the world like that it was outdoors and all that but it was still strange and my brother um he paid i didn't have my i felt bad that he had to pay and i remember thinking like and he paid a little extra on the tip just because it's like you know those waiters are

like having to do this during this time and um so so when i left uh and the woman who waited on us was perfectly nice everybody i just had such like easy nice interactions with people i was on instagram and i saw somebody commented on a something i posted oh that guy is a douche he just he he tipped my friend seven dollars and the bill had been like and we had tipped her seven dollars the bill had been like 22 so it was like solid that's solid tip on a 22 dollar was that 20 or something 20 yeah it was like over i just remember being over 20 percent would have been four bucks yeah it was over it was really nice and over yeah and um i said uh and i was like oh my god and that to me because i was a waiter and the idea of not tipping is or under tipping

is obvious like just killed it like triggers me in a way especially like during even a pandemic oh my god it was the worst and people reading that and like what would they i mean i'd rather have them say like he couldn't stop farting or like he was just like he smelled whatever he like his nipples were exposed it's something weird and but this would like really kill me so i i wrote to her i dm'd her and i was like i there's gotta, there's some misunderstanding because we pay, this is what happened. And she was like, oh, that's weird. My friend said that you only paid seven.

And she said- It wasn't even her. No. Oh my God. It was a friend. So this waitress said, oh, that guy from the thing. But she didn't want to tell, because this is not a good story. The guy from fucking Herbie or whatever was like ate lunch.

And I said, and we were, he was, it was perfectly fine. That's not a good story. It's fucking herbie or whatever was like ate lunch and i said and we were he was it was perfectly fine that's not a good story it's like who cares he tipped me seven dollars yeah he but he only got a coke yeah yeah he he but this is the story that he tipped me seven percent he tipped me seven dollars on a hundred dollar bill that's not even a good story it's just a story yeah you know so to make this innocuous thing worth telling it's better when it's bad and that's not even a good story it's just a story yeah you know so to make this innocuous thing worth telling it's better when it's bad and that's the thing that's scary that's the that's the takeaway from the tom hanks thing which is like people will just that tom hanks thing i know introduces himself when he meets you he doesn't matter who it is he will go up and he'll be like

hi nice to meet you my name is tom oh and i'm like of course everyone knows who you are but like but i love that he goes and he says to everybody every pa every people like it doesn't matter who you are you don't have to be the executive producer hi and my name is tom people listening appreciate that is because he's tom hanks yeah yeah and he's still doing this and that's always been important for me when i meet people hi i'm nick Nice to meet you. What's your name? Because I have met a lot of people since moving to LA who are no one. They're just like, hi.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, really? Yeah. Really? No, I know. I always want my fantasy.

My brother and I directed this movie right before the pandemic. And my fantasy was to have name tags because I hate when I don't. I'm not good at remembering names, but I always want to be able to say. That's quite the pandemic. And my fantasy was to have name tags because I hate when I don't, I'm not good at remembering names, but I always want to be able to say. That's quite the fantasy. Yeah, right? I know, I know. I know, what a boring person.

This is my ultimate fantasy. Name tags. Yeah, and so the first AD was so, and the producers were like, because they had said, is there anything, we had never directed a feature, is there anything you guys want before we start and so i said i was like

you know i've always wanted name tags forever so they said um so they're on it we're on it we're doing it so sure enough i showed up first day of shooting and they were tags on a lanyard it was like one but one side was white and one side had the name and so for the whole week the crew poor crew had to wear these lanyards because they were probably like the director really wants name tags. But they were always flipped around for whatever reason. It was always white. So I always find myself trying to wait till it moved around. It ended up being such a pain in the ass.

Well, also because that is more of an identifier that you don't know who they are. Because what you do is you go up to somebody and you start talking. And then there's that immediate eye line that goes down. Like they stop looking at you in the face. And they go down and they look right at your name tag. It's an immediate identifier. They have no idea who you are. But did you ever go on a coffee date with someone and then three weeks later meet them at a get together only for them to say hi?

And then you introduce yourself. Oh, no. That happened. Oh, no. How? together only for them to say hi and then you introduce yourself like oh no that happened oh no how it's like you went on a full date yeah well she must have been pissed not pissed but it was a worst possible scenario it was after i had been on the show oh no it was a a well-known successful hollow hollywood writer hosting said show and i was a guest-known, successful Hollywood writer hosting said show. And I was a guest of someone who, like, a friend of mine. That might be how you know my friend Kim Hope. Kimberly Hope?

Do I know her? Yeah. Did I? Let's check the name tag. Kim goes to some viewing party that I think you were at. Okay. I've been to a few okay okay all right I get invited to this oh I bet yeah um and uh so I felt like it was it was really this is this was a time

I was just new to LA and I was on the dating app Raya yeah yeah and I went inside once I find was like I'm gonna go on this dating app i had i had like two friends in la my buddy who i was crashing at and i didn't know anyone so i was just like yeah i was going on three to four coffee dates a week oh my god just you know let's just meet some people for you i was just trying to like get to get to know people so i was good for you a lot of people and then i'm in the and I'm already bad like my facial recognition has gotten worse since going on the show

because I'm more guarded and I'm and I don't I'm not present as often as I should be and so this girl came up you're not present you're not in the moment as much

yeah and so why do you think you're skittish about who's looking at you yeah I've gotten better but that was a big problem for me then and then uh she's like hi and i'm like hi i'm nick she's like i know we had coffee three weeks ago and i'm the outsider she she was among friends and i was like i need to go i should go and it was yeah how do you recover from that i just try to be as charming as possible and answer all the Bachelor questions they ask.

Was she cool about it? Was she like, I mean, that's it. We never talked again. Oh. I don't think she was. Did you immediately remember her? Yes. Yeah.

I was like, oh my God, yes. Yeah. And I was, how embarrassing. It is. But like, and then you can't see, I'm now going through like. We had an Earth Cafe in Beverly Hills. I know where we went. I still remember.

Now I will never forget. Oh, that's, you got to be careful of that place. There's a lot of paparazzi there. Yeah. It's a paparazzi place. We went for lunch the other day. We walked across the street and somebody came out with a camera. I was like, what's going on here?

It's a paparazzi place. Well, not there. That was Jones. Oh, Jones also. Not good. But what are they doing now with everyone wearing masks? Outdoor. There's some not there. That was Jones. Oh, Jones also. Not good. But what are they doing now with everyone wearing masks? Outdoor.

There's some outdoor stuff. Uh-oh. But that is... Oh, that's really interesting. Especially... And you can't like... A cover can't be, oh, I was just going on so many dates.

Because then you look like... No, because then you look douchey. Oh, man. I just... I don't... Oof. I just said I'm sorry. Yeah. I think I tried. Oh, man. I just, I don't, I just said I'm sorry. Yeah.

I think I tried. Oh, man. And they're Bachelor fans, so already they probably have an idea of you. Oh, and this was before, this was when I was a possibly shady character. Right. Because you really redeemed yourself on, if there were, if there was that perception, I can see. He lights up.

He lights up. He gets excited. His body language changes. He moves his body, I can see. He lights up. He lights up. He gets excited. His body language changes. He moves his body. I love it. I've indulged you talking about me, but now Bachelor. I watch so much of this. But you did on Bachelor in Paradise because you were very honest about not being really

drawn to anyone. But you were so nice with everyone. Yeah. I mean, I definitely took one for the team on andy's season because they didn't really have a lot to work with there were no bad chads there were no luke parkers oh luke parker scary terrifying but star of the season yeah yeah can't yes i mean that's the yes if we're if i'm critiquing i said this before if i'm critiquing this and I said this before, if I'm critiquing this season, it's lacking star power. Seems like a lot of nice guys, good guys, but a lot of forced drama because there's no real guy who kind of sucks. Except for Chasen.

Chasen. Which one was he? I haven't seen the last. Have you watched the most recent? Tayshia's? No. Okay. It struck me that it was a lot more, every year it gets more like this, but it's like watching the Discovery Channel.

There's something very primal about it, the way they try to win, I guess. And they all seem so competitive with one another. So it's just fascinating. I think I'm still to this day the only person to get the Bachelorette flowers like i went on a date with my first date with andy yeah and i like it was a very sincere like wow i don't fuck i had a nice time yeah shit i like her and in that moment i was like

i gotta go for it i gotta make this real i gotta make this experience real and so i went up to her bruce i'm like is it possible to get her flowers like here's 60 bucks like you just that's what you have to do i just asked i was like and maybe because i was in sales like you learn very early like you just ask for things and then you find out what the answer is uh-huh and so i was like i'll just ask and they're like what a great idea and so they facilitate it now they facilitated it by bringing in flowers while she was talking some of the guys oh shit yeah but the other guys took it as how did you do that and i'm like how did i do what did they think they were that you were also trying to like uh undercut them yeah yeah yeah and so then of course that puts you immediately on the defensive which is never a good look which is like must have made

you self-conscious no yeah to know that you're being that's what i also wonder like do you have moments where you're like oh you lose yourself in it like that like you go to a producer that's not being filmed no and then the cameras are on you and you're like oh boy what yeah you're you're kind of like you know you see what's going on weird and you panic did you were you did you get good at like kind of forgetting the cameras were there or i remember forgetting really we were in santa barbara on top of boulders and this first time we made out and i remember thinking how i didn't care and i was like i'm just not gonna care and i just stopped like i just remember having a conscious thought that i oh wow i just all i did all that

without thinking about the cameras yeah yeah and then i was like well i guess i'll just get used to it you're you're in it you're you're yeah i made a conscious choice to just go for it yeah and and try to be authentic and and like again i i joke about saying it was like the worst thing but the best thing like i had i really liked her yeah and that got me in the joke about saying it was like the worst thing, but the best thing. Like, I really liked her. Yeah. And that got me in the trouble I got in. It seemed like it. Because I just was like, I'm just going to say and do whatever I want.

And I'm not going to think about, should I say it or should I do it? And that gave him a ton of content to work with. Yeah. Because you're not then cognizant enough of the other guys who are also trying to. Yeah. Because like, I don't know, you probably don't remember, but likeosh i snuck out and went to go visit her in brussels yeah but that all came because early on i was like okay i like her and you guys there's this expectation of an engagement i don't know how i could possibly do that at the end so i need more time with her

could i could i like could you guys set something up can i sneak out or whatever they're like yeah we got you oh my you know and they and then it turned in at the time i was like cool i get more time with her that's all i cared about well that is such a sensible request that's such a like rational i you must have been in fact if anything nervous that like you're facing this potential well at that time i was still kind of an oh i at that point i realized i was i might be on the short end of the stick and i just didn't care uh-huh and i was like i still like her and that i like i was like either way i like her you sense that it was going to josh that josh no i well i sense that i was going to be

the villain oh my god really because all the guys were like every time i got a rose they were yelling at me i'm trying to remember who the other guys were like chris and brian and chris souls the farmer oh yeah that's my chris souls no i had a high-pitched laugh yeah and no upper lip yeah i remember chris souls yeah of course. Yeah. He's got a Chris Soules impression. We found out something amazing about Chris Soules that really upset Nicholas over here. Oh, what? He uses I can't believe it's not butter on his corn. But why did that upset you?

Just because butter is so good. Well, yeah. I find I can't believe it's not butter to be a disgusting thing. Yeah. He's a farmer yeah he pulls the corn from outside and he pulls out crap on it yeah it's true he's like yeah it's organic corn i'm putting this crap on it's like superman taking a commercial flight yeah that's funny yeah like really that you fly southwest yeah yeah that's true that's funny, yeah. Like, really? That's true. You fly southwest? Yeah. Yeah, that's true.

That's funny. Oh, I remember those guys. Yeah. Chris, anyway. And not Ben Higgins. He was another season. He was the Caitlin season. Caitlin, right.

Okay. He was the season after. Yeah. Ben Higgins. Okay. Wait. So there was a pin that we put in something. Oh, Ashley I at Dentife. Two hours ago.

Holy shit. So she cried and then oh big surprise now she's with mary with jared so but your advice to her was like don't go on because she will never be with jared and i stand by what i said and it was great advice at the time and it worked because she finally the only reason Jared woke up is when she actually thought it was over. And she moved on and dated someone else. And I was living with Jared at the time because I was like, hey, you can move in. He was thinking about moving to LA and just stay at my...

I paid it forward, so to speak. I have an open bedroom. Oh, my God. And Ashley started dating someone else and on the show another bachelor he he went on she went winter games and started dating the canadian oh yeah and uh jerry was just a mess and i was like what is wrong with oh yeah he was like a handsome uh firefighter dude yeah magnum yeah yeah and i remember just being i just was talking not trying to fuck with jared i wasn't trying to get on his nerves.

I was just like, oh, so Ashley and, I forget his name, Kevin. Kevin, yes. Oh, yeah, he was very Canadian. Yeah, I like Kevin. And Jared just was like, I don't want to talk. And I was like, well, Jesus, why don't you maybe? So many chances. Yeah.

I mean, like a comical amount of chances. That woke Jared up, so to speak. And he obviously owns that now. So I stand by the advice, I guess. You don't know what you got till it's gone. Michael J. Fox said something, getting back to our hero. That's somebody that I would really beat stars. I mean, I have been starstruck around.

But he said something in his book, and he's got a new one coming out November 17th. No Time Like the Future, it's called, to plug his book. no time like the future it's called uh to plug his book um but his former book that he wrote uh he said something about how he can tell who uh is based on how they're approaching him he can tell what they know him from uh and this is not true anymore because there's no real like big screen stars but he said when he was doing familyies versus the movies, if somebody knew him from Back to the Future, they approached him kind of more gingerly and they treated him like he was larger than life because that's how they would see him.

And people who would approach him about Family Ties were like, hey, man, really casual. And it's because on TV you're in somebody's living room you're like yeah i mean i've had people come up to me like it takes me a few sentences before i realize that i don't know them personally i'm sure you've had that where it's like hey nick what's up hey how's it going yeah really casual and i'll have this like glazed look yeah because did we have coffee last week yeah because i'm already bad so it's like it's entirely possible we had coffee last week and i'm just a dick i'm bad with it too i i i default to which

is the normal thing i think i must know you from somewhere yeah and then it gets to the point where sometimes i have to say i'm so sorry how do i know you oh no we don't well because they walk up to you while you're at dinner yeah casual yeah you're like, there's no way someone who doesn't know me would come up to me. That's a rude, weird thing. Yeah. It must be a cousin. You must be gracious. You seem like a person who's gracious.

I definitely want to and try to be. Yeah. But I can get... I'll pull the Tom Hanks of like oh hey and then i'll remember to be on it doesn't come natural you kind of have to be yeah yeah i uh yeah and of course there are degrees like i obviously if it's like without a any sort of exception if it's a kid who's like i i like your stuff it's like you give them time you know that's the nicest thing um but there are degrees of it i think you know there's some people who i find like guys have to sometimes justify coming up with

you know i don't care who you are but so and so point you out or like if i i that's i bet you get that a lot which is like my girlfriend made me watch the show okay yeah yeah how do i know you do you remember that expression that show yeah you're on that thing i mean i remember watch it i never watched it yeah like i don't know man i don't because i can't all justifying it yeah but no there's a reality show with the rose thing you know i would never watch it but then it's like why are we talking i don't need to be we don't i don't know if you don't why are we talking talking? And then for me, it was because I was a villain at the time. So people try to relate to you.

So their way of relating to you is like, I liked you when no one else did. What a backhanded. Yeah. I'm like, oh, God. And I know they're trying to connect with me. And I'm the person who should be your best friend. And I'm like, now I hate you. That's really funny.

Oh, that sucks yeah or like no one liked that movie you did but like i did or with ben they'll go to me go like i never thought you were boring oh oh man yeah oh no that's funny that's really funny so but you but like yeah you you you gotta yeah it's part of it's, and it's often like, right. A nice part. Yeah. You, you learn to deal with it. Yeah.

And accept it. It is what it is. Yeah. And like, now it's all, I mean, now, because people can be so sneaky so easily, it's like, I always appreciate when somebody is like, Hey, I acknowledge that you're this person. Can I take it? Whatever. Yeah.

I acknowledge that you're this person. Can I take it? Whatever. Yeah. When people are just like, just put out what they want, I feel safe around them. Yes.

Yeah. That's when they're like coming up with a excuse. Yeah. And then it's like, all right, we're gonna play one more game before we go. It's called, do you know me? Real simple.

Okay. By the way, this, I, this has been so fun. Thank you. I really appreciate it. Really fun.

I can't wait until we hang out for the holidays in Connecticut together. Yeah. Oh, you're going back? Yeah. It'll be great. We'll meet at the Trumbull Mall. We'll get coffee. I'm trying to think what is...

We'll go get a drink at the castle. No, I'm just kidding. Yeah. I wonder if those... I know that Seagrape is open. I'm just trying to have dim sum with Justin. There's a great place called... We'll go to Pepe's.

Jinko's. Jinko's. Pepe's is great. Pepe's Pizza. I'm trying to get to the game. Sorry. I'm pepe's in new haven i don't care you're the one who's yelling i know i'm sorry pepe's new haven and bridgeport there's one in fairfield now i know yeah it's called do you know me okay i'm gonna ask you some questions don't answer right away chris and i will guess the story if you have an anecdotal answer to your story you're welcome to share be mindful of the chris he wants us to leave okay also tell the story yeah do you know

me with justin long okay has justin ever kissed someone oh well he's hot yeah yeah i can answer that have justin ever kissed someone of the same sex i'm gonna say yes he's an actor at some point i'm gonna say yes he's had to do a scene with a guy and whether comedic or otherwise he kissed a guy oh is this you so you guess first yeah that's what we think okay and then you say yes or no i agree i think he's done it too yes i have yeah yeah yeah and also like guys like on the sometimes guys friends who are very demonstrative and like lip kissers. I have a couple of those too. And then I recently watched The Vow. Have you watched The Vow on HBO Max?

No, but that keeps coming up. And my first thought is like the Rachel McAdams movie. And I did watch that in the theater. But no, I haven't seen the one about next year. Basically, the ringleader, the narcissist guy, his thing was to kiss everyone on the lips. And I'm now questioning all the people. Oh, my God. And ironically, my friend who does that,

I was like, he could lead a cult. Oh, that's funny. Yeah, because it's a way of, it's very charming, obviously, moving. It's a way of making you feel connected. It's like, I can get anyone to do this with me. Oh, it's a power move. Oh, wow.

No, I also, in movies, have kissed guys. Yeah, I mean, connected it's like i can get anyone to do this with me oh it's a power move oh wow no i i also in movies have kissed guys yeah i i yeah i mean i i never had any real i used to kiss my dad all the time oh yeah me too yeah and we thought nothing of it yeah yeah i um but no i've never had like a full-blown like makeout sesh question number two yeah does justin collect anything oh anything so he looks like a guy i'm okay so currently this is not as a kid oh this is this doesn't have you do you currently collect anything i'm gonna say no i'm gonna say staring at yes trying to read me um i probably look like a guy who collects things yeah you do i don't i don't collect anything i um memories that you you're projecting characters he's played yeah and my physical i look like a guy who'd be at a comic book convention.

Like he, like, because you're not in LA all the time. Like, you know, you're home and like,

some people like live home or they're homey. I don't know. Never. Well, movies, DVDs, like those kind of things

I could see you because you're kind of like a screenwriter, director and stuff. Like, so I feel like maybe like scripts or something like that you might collect.

I have a collection of DVDs, but I don't consciously like seek it out seek it out but you still have them because you haven't parted with them right nerd stuff right i haven't gotten rid of them when i was a kid i love i collected football cards and coins everything yeah i went yeah i love garbage i went through a weird phase of collecting hershey bar wrappers oh that, that is weird. It is super weird. You should talk to your therapist.

I thought there was some value in it. Value. How? What would you like? What are you obsessed with? Like Willy Wonka, the chocolate factory or something? That's what I would think.

Yeah, I think so. I like one day I was like, I'm going to do this and I just committed to it. And when, and so I would go up to all the teachers and say, Hey, I'm,

I collect Hershey bar wrappers. Can you just ask the students to save the wrappers? the teachers and say, hey, I collect Hershey bar wrappers. Can you just ask the students to save the wrappers? And I'll just. How many did you have? For a while. Hundreds. I don't know why.

My mom was like, what the fuck? Oh, my God. That's weird. I remember my football card collection being stolen by a kid. I don't want to say his name because I think he came from like kind of a. John Mayer. No, no. No. But John. by a kid i don't want to say his name because i think he came from like kind of a john mayer broke no no but john well i was just talking about him last night because um we're talking about yeah a friend of mine had gone to dave chapelle's comedy thing that the tent that he set up in ohio yeah do you hear about this that he did this summer really cool um and john was there yeah

so john and i went john went to high school uh not with me at this we went to the same high school but um yeah we were just talking about him last night how he is like a huge fan of comedy villanova junction man what's that that was the the high school band that went around fairfield villanova junction that's right god it's like you're not even from oh my god well i remember john as being like a very soft-spoken like kind of always had his guitar, kind of like a, he was like the little troubadour guy. And yeah. Tim Cappuccini, Joe Blesney.

What? Remember the Dent? Villanova Junction, man. Do you remember the Dent? Or the Felt Forum. Yes. Oh my God. Like maybe one listener will be like,

oh yeah. Anyway. Continuing on, sorry. Worldwide. We have to go. No, I know. I'm saying like, that's how obscure these references are.

Not that your show is not. Does Justin take the shampoo and conditioner bottles from hotels? I'm going to change it to has Justin ever taken the shampoo and hair conditioner from hotels? Everyone does it once. I don't think I ever have. You've never taken hotel shampoo ever? I don't think so. Really. You've never taken hotel shampoo ever. I don't think so. Really?

It's really bad quality. Like never, ever. No. I'm shocked by this. I'm going to say yes, because I think everyone's. Does Justin vividly remember taking it? Maybe I'm more than one in case and not like maybe has he ever because. Yeah, absolutely.

I have so many of them. I have so many to this day. I'll tell you why. I'm cheap. If it's a nice hotel and they've put me up there for a thing, I like to grab as many of the freebies as I can. My mom came to visit me for some press junket and they put you up at like really fancy hotels.

And she was so, we had the uh movie that night and she was like excited red carpet and all that got excited but not nearly as much as excited as when she came to the hotel room and was like wait you can just take these jelly beans these are yours to keep and i i was like oh that's where i that's where it's from uh you know a lot of when i was growing up a lot of coupons and, so yeah, I take them up, and like stuff that I wouldn't buy.

I wouldn't buy fancy, like Mullen and, what's Mullen and Getz? You know, that company, that brand of, whatever. It's so fancy,

I've never heard of it. Yeah, maybe it's not fancy, or like, I don't know. It probably is. But I have so many of those. Would Justin rather time travel to the past or the future?

Oh, that's a good question. We recently had one. It was because we do, yeah, would you rathers. I love would you rathers. But it was, would you rather be able to go anywhere in one location, anywhere in the past or anywhere anytime in the future in one location? Time travel.

So I think it would be, now I can travel anywhere. Fuck, this is a tough one. time travel so I think and I think it would be now I can travel anywhere yeah fuck this is a tough one I think I'd like to see things in the past yeah me too yeah

I'd like to part of it is I think Back to the Future was such a formative same yeah like but also think about it

because it would be it might be frightening too to see interact because i'm more afraid of the family like i don't want to know yeah if you know if the question is would you want to know when and at the time you die yeah like no thanks yeah i'm not interested and so like the future i don't i don't want to get ahead of worrying about things that i can't control in the past the only thing i'd be worried about is like fucking up the space time continuum. But let's say you can't do that.

Then the past. Yeah. That would be fun to see. And I've always liked history for me. So just to like live history would be kind of fascinating. That's true. From a safe distance. From a safe distance.

Like there's a guarantee you can't die or become imprisoned and say something off-putting. I show up with my jorts on and I get beat up by – Oh, you definitely would. Probably at any point in history. Even today. Yeah, even today. Right. I went to Savannah recently with jorts.

Savannah, Georgia? What's a jort? Jeans shorts Like you know how Kevin Smith Yeah I know what you're talking about I just I didn't think much of That and they weren't open to jorts In Savannah I'm surprised

That's what I thought I was like oh like kind of a Hick thing to do jorts but No it's it's boat boat shoes and Oh okay that makes me Love Savannah why did you go A friend But no, it's boat shoes and khakis. Oh, okay. That makes sense. I love Savannah. Why did you go? A friend. I have a friend there.

During the pandemic? Yeah. Was it scary to travel? I mean, I was safe. You were safe. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. You haven't been on a plane in a pandemic?

I just did. My first. Yeah. I went to, in fact, Atlanta to do a job and then I came out here on the plane. It was weird. It was weird,

but like everyone... I know. Everyone's masked up. Apparently airplane airs. That's what they say. Quite safe. Yeah. Getting onto the plane.

Yeah. I know. Final question. Okay. Does Justin sleep with their sheets tucked in? No. Oh.

No. He doesn't. Sorry. He apparently has a strong opinion about this. If anyone does, they're savages. Well, now you mentioned George Costanza early on. Yeah, that's the first thing I thought of. Swish and swirl.

Lupe? Could you do a little? I'd like to swish and swirl. No, for sure. I kick. Yeah, I got to kick him out. Yeah. I don't like to be restricted.

Like there's a move my brother and i've been doing yoga and and that there's a thing in yoga at the end where it's like a corpse pose do you do yoga i've done yoga i want to do more of it as i get older yeah like less nimble yeah me too i know i've been getting oh crap you're 40 40 now so do you have that experience when you sit down and you groan yeah yeah it's been happening to me i'm like i want to stand up i also do this like a big when i sit i step on my foot like this for some reason and then like 20 minutes will go by and i like i'm walking with a limp i don't know why i do that you step on your foot i like i'll be sitting and i'll just do this oh without shoes on so like you know 20 minutes go by that's three pounds just resting on your

foot oh that's interesting sideways yeah it's not good to cross your legs like this i'm doing it like i cross my legs a lot you're not supposed to yeah i know there's certain things that i'm like i gotta stop doing this um and and walking too much my i'm sad let me start falling apart um but but why did i say that why did i start talking about that um oh you said something about costanza and with it being tucked in i feel like um i like doing that corpse pose because i i i imagine that'll be the last thing you know what's hopefully hopefully i know i know but to mentally prepare for that uh and whenever i do that pose i think i think about that this is it when i when i'm dying what's it gonna be like you know and it's i've been talking a lot about

my own what's that do you think about death all the time too often because you're afraid of dying uh i'm afraid of dying and therefore i avoid the thought oh interesting but like when you do you smoke weed do you yes yeah so when you're stoned do you ever just suddenly have that the thought of like oh my this is gonna end i haven't no no okay sorry to plant that seed i hope it doesn't happen i will tonight sorry sorry but i but i thanks so Sorry, but I... Thanks so much. Sorry. I appreciate you. No, I just... I got a whole line of worries.

No, no. Only because... I don't know. It's just to me... It's fascinating. Yeah, it's fascinating. But I've been thinking about kids a lot because I've been spending a lot of time

with friends' kids. And I love kids and I love being around... But I've been thinking about like you know of course wanting kids but and i think part of the reason i want kids is is um i think it's selfish i think it's it's to be able to have somebody to say goodbye to you know i was just thinking about my instagram oh for that too oh it'd be great uh my brother doesn't like my older brother has two kids and does not like us um putting it on which is understandable like that i see i fear i wouldn't

be i would be like oh using oh i totally using them you know like the dad hot dad look not even that just like i like to do just to do bits with kids there's nothing funnier than like talking to a kid uh yeah that's that would be my anyway one day do you think you want to have kids very much so yeah yeah are you are you dating somebody now yeah somebody you like yeah okay that's cool that's great what why are you laughing i'm gonna really talk about it okay well that's good that's good because you like her yeah that means you like her that's good yeah well justin this has been so fun. Well, make sure to follow Justin on Instagram.

He's doing great things. Check out his podcast. I cannot wait for the Vince Vaughn one. It's fun. It's really fun. I hear it's coming out. And is your movie that you and your brother did, is it out yet? No, we have to sell it.

We have to try to sell it. Lady of the Manor, it's called. So, no. Well, look out for that. Look out for that. Yeah, we got so lucky with it it's really we're really proud of it uh melanie linsky and judy greer are the stars and two of my favorite actresses they're fucking great so if you're a fan of either of them she's like one of those people that's in everything yeah uh it's such

she's so funny great we got very lucky ryan philippi is a part he's great louis guzman it's a good cast. Yeah. Well, thank you, guys. Thanks for that. I just ended on a shameless plug of something that you can't even see. That's what we're supposed to do. Don't forget to send your questions at asknickatcastme.com. Cast with a K.

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Yeah. It's great. Because it's like you. It's my job to read them. I'm not remotely interested in oh smart and uh sorry guys well the problem the problem is is like they'll review your show based off of like one specific thought or something you said i'm like why, why are you reviewing me? I've done 200 episodes. Yeah. And you're writing something about something I care very much about, about one specific thing that has no really relevance to the show.

Yeah. Yeah. Somebody, I stopped reading them, but somebody said, I love the show, on and on, all these good things. He had mentioned Bernie Sanders because I'd done surrogate stuff with Bernie Sanders. sanders i just probably lost a ton of people um proud of it very proud of it um but uh and i just mentioned that it wasn't like i wasn't pontificating about bernie and like his ideology it was just like happened to mention in a story that i had been doing this thing and um it was a very tangential part of the story and And the guy was like, all these glowing things, but I can't abide by.

He mentioned he supports Bernie Sanders, socialism, blah, blah, blah. One star. One star. After how many times did he listen to us? Yeah. And yeah, or the glowing review. Yeah. Again, but the Bernie Sanders, I'm not agreeing with the guy, but I recognize how divisive it is for people. Yeah. Again, but the Bernie Sanders, I'm not agreeing with the guy,

but I recognize how divisive it is for people. Yeah. Or for Nick interrupted or blah, blah, blah. Oh, yeah. Two star. It's like they're putting a one star. I almost get more because he's just like hated. This one thing triggered him.

Yeah. But like the three star review. Yeah. It's just like, you know, I like your show. It's really good. I listen to it all the time. But that girl laughs too loud. you hear that the force i was gonna say that oh you read my review yeah i know i know for something that you can't help it's like you love it you love it but you

know what i've really learned to appreciate you know what's important is that they care and you get to do it yeah How cool that you get to like... 200 of them. 200! Congratulations. If they hate me and still listen, that's fine. Yeah. You write your three-star reviews.

Your passionate three stars. Yeah. Well, congratulations. That's big. Thanks for being... The 200,000. So fun. So fun.

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