The Viall Files - E202 The Bachelorette Recap With Joe Park & Manny MUA

Episode Date: November 25, 2020

We are hitting you today with not one but two guests for this weeks Bachelorette recap. Our first guest is not only a Bachelor super fan but also one of the most influential beauty and lifestyle gurus on the web, it is the one and only Manny MUA. Nick and Manny start to recap the episode and are joined by Joe Park the MD that kept us all laughing this season. Joe is the first contestant we have been able to speak to on the show and we asked all the questions about how the house really reacted to Clare & Dale, what it was like when Tayshia came in, the new guys coming in and joining the “sweet sixteen”, and our burning question, what is Ed’s deal … really!!!!   “But sometime, people make the mistake of trying to play chess when the game is checkers” Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes.  THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Rum Haven: http://www.discover.rumhaven.com for the latest tips, recipes, and giveaways. Ritual: http://www.ritual.com/VIALL for 10% off during your first 3 months.  Echelon: http://www.echelonfit.com/VIALL to try Echelon Fitness equipment at home for 30 days.  Brooklinen: http://www.brooklinen.com use promo code VIALL at checkout for 20% off your order plus free shipping.  Episode Socials:  @viallfiles @nickviall @mannymua733 @josephparkmd See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

what is going on everybody welcome uh monday tuesday night wednesday night wednesday morning i don't know i don't know the fuck when you guys listen to this shit. It's Tuesday. Tuesday night. We have a very special episode for you because our... Well, we have two guests, really, quite frankly. One of them is here

speaking to you right now. Manny Gutierrez. Gutierrez. And according to his bio, let me just... Let's read the bio verbatim. Is a Mexican-American makeup artist, beauty expert, and pioneer in the makeup world for his commitment to blurring the lines

of gender in cosmetics. Blurring the lines like these pores. And that's a bit of a play on words. It sure is. gender in cosmetics. Blurring the lines like these pores. And that's a bit of a play on words. It sure is. And also says here, frequently works with charitable organizations such as the St. Jude Children's Research Hospital. Love them. The Human Rights Campaign.

GLAAD. And the Los Angeles LGBTQ Center. Because it didn't have the Q. Yeah, I think it's still called the LGBT Center. the Los Angeles LGBT is it LGBTQ center yes because it didn't have the Q yeah I think it's still called

the LGBT center is it I don't know if they added the Q yet maybe not yet well they're working on it get branding

on it welcome thank you thank you for having me I'm so excited and I only I only read this and also

you were Forbes 30 under 30 founder and CEO of Lunar Beauty. Yes. Face of Maybelline. I was the first face of Maybelline for a boy. First boy. First male to be the face of Maybelline.

Maybe she's born with it. Maybe he is Manny. Maybe he's Manny. Maybe he's a man. But more importantly than all of that, you are a big Bachelor fan. Literally, the most important thing here on my resume is the Bachelor fanatic that I am.

You also know Jeff Goldblum, Mariah Carey, Kesha, and Shay Mitchell. Oh my God, Kesha just DM'd me the other day. What? Yeah. She's like, hey, what's up? But Manny, thank you so much for joining us. Oh my God, of course.

Thank you for having me. I'm so excited we are looking forward to breaking down this episode of The Bachelorette with you as well as

talking to Joe yes I'm thrilled we agree we just it was a delight he's truly just one of a kind

and devastation of him going home has hit home for me yeah it's the devastation for me like I'm here for him

if he's looking for a nice little Cuban me like i'm here for him if he's looking for a nice little cuban italian girl i'm here absolutely and i'm here for him if he just suddenly turns bisexual yeah also works we can share i just enjoyed talking to him yeah you're like he's just a cool dude uh before we get into the show um i would like, if you could, I know I'm putting you on the spot. Okay, wow. Quick makeup tip for those listening who might be interested. Quick makeup tip?

A common thing that the average makeup user might use that you're like, no, girl or guy, don't do that. Yeah. What is it? Let's see. You know what? A makeup tip that helps, because earlier you had said, oh, I have dark circles, right? Yeah.

So a really easy quick tip for that is adding a color corrector to your under eye before you put concealer on to kind of cancel out, you know, with that peachy undertone to cancel out the blue because they're opposite in the color wheel. Wait, so what was that again? Because I'm not good at being a girl so no no so so there's these things called color correctors and basically they help adjust the color that you're like that's yeah or essentially so a peachy orange color counteracts blue directly in like the color

spectrum so if you have like really dark bag dark under eyes you put some peachy color corrector first and then concealer on top and then the blue is gone. Okay, that makes me so excited. I'm going to be going out to get it right away because someone actually said to me like, oh, I love your eyeshadow and I'm like,

it's not eyeshadow. I just have dark circles. I was like, it's not brown eyeshadow. It's a really, it's a really, really, really good way. It was so embarrassing.

Smokey tired? It was called smokey tired. I love that. It's the new palette coming to Looner Beauty. Smokey tired. I was so embarrassed. That's so rude. I love that. It's the new palette coming to Lunar Beauty, Smokey Tired. I was so embarrassed. That's so rude.

I love it. Thank you for sharing that wisdom. Of course. I got you. Any wisdom I can give. Look at going to CBS right now because I'm also going to have a girl Is there a promo code that makes...

There's not a promo code. I wish Lunar Beauty had one. Dang. But any peachy color character will do great. Orange, peachy. All right. Well, on that note. Let's get into this.

Let's get into it. Let's get into it. Manny, thank you for joining us. Thank you for having me. I'm so excited. You are a legend in your field, but most importantly. Mexican-American.

A Mexican-American legend, if you will. Manny Gutierrez is a Mexican-American makeup artist. But most importantly, you are a Bachelor super fan, yes? I am. I'm a stan. I'm definitely a stan, for sure. How long have you been a fan? Since Ari season.

Oh, so you're pretty fresh. It's a fresh stan. I've watched everything since then. What's a stan? It's like a stay forever fan. Is that what it means? Stan. I'm staying forever.

I love it. Yeah. Stay forever fan? Yeah. But isn't Stan spelled S-T-A-N? Yeah. So it's like fan and staying forever combined. Stan.

Stan. I'm still a fan. It's like shipping the two words. Yes, exactly. I know enough about that to It's like shipping the two words. Yes, exactly. I know enough about that to know what shipping is. Shipping. That's too complicated. It's like when you put two names together, like Brangelina.

Yeah, exactly. It's like Stan. I'm a Stan. Yeah. We're old. So you just started being a fan? Yes, I just started. You're relatively new.

Is that new? I feel like that was years ago. Maybe that's just we've been around the block, I guess. Been to the ringer. Are you enjoying this season? It is a shocking season for sure. Like Claire, it was something. It was something.

It was honestly hard to watch sometimes, to be honest. I was going through it. There was moments where I had to, like, pause it and just compose myself and then keep watching. For reals. Yeah, no. It's calmer. It's calmer. Yeah, it's definitely calmer.

It's more digestible. Oh, by far. Like, there was moments, like, literally, like, when Claire, like, in the pool scene with that one guy when she was like, he went in to kiss her, but then he like grabbed her and it was like such a weird, weird energy that I'm like, I can't do this. I like to use food analogies often. Is that so? Claire's season, like, and I also like to use Sour Patch Kids in my food analogy. Okay.

Sour Patch Kids are great. Uh-huh. food analogy okay sour patch kids are great uh-huh but watching claire's season was like taking a bag of sour patch kids and try to eat an entire bag in a single bite like you know what i'm saying it's too claire's great and dramatic it was too much all at once and like you started choking on the sour patch kids all while like crying on the sourness and the sugar and then but you love sour patches but you love sour patch kids on its own yeah absolutely and like yeah we love the drama that claire brought it was a lot it was all too much every episode was packed with drama constantly so i

literally was like i need to reprieve i need some happiness here i need some calm and and uh tasha's like a very reliable scoop of ice cream exactly she yeah She's just a scoop of ice cream. That's the best way to say it. A stunning scoop. She's a scoop of ice cream in a cup, honey. She's not on a cone. Just a cup. I don't know what the fuck that means.

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Remind me. Oh, this episode opens with we're doing the second group date. Yes. And it's the song competition. So whoever wins the song competition gets the one-on-one yeah all right the song competition you can definitely tell that i mean it's tough covid world they're running out of date ideas oh for sure i would honestly i would have fainted

if that was like so bad what should we do we can't travel anywhere what are we gonna do maybe next week we can play shoots in the ladders the floor is lava we're definitely running out of shit to come up with the floor is lava I was like girl we are really reaching

honestly that would've blown my mind if they had like you know a lava make a lava floor um challenge

obstacle course oh my god you're so lucky you traveled no I mean like I feel for the like they're this is their first time doing this They're stuck on a resort

Next week they're going to be painting fruit in the hotel rooms Or something They're literally just like Import some snow into the snowman building How fast can you count to 10? Typing words per minute Literally it's rough in these streets for real it's rough um this music but that that was that really this not so much this day but that was really that

was really more emphasized on the the obstacle course date yes right that's like the baby one yeah like ed had to hold the baby for a while? Well, when Becca and Sydney show up. The Truth or Dare. The Truth or Dare, sorry. Obstacle Course, Truth or Dare. It was like, okay, this is- They are really trying. Man, well, what are you guys supposed to do?

I mean, I don't fault producers for it. No, yeah. They're stuck. It's a struggle, honey. Yeah. But I feel like if Big Brother producers can get it together, somebody's got to figure it out. In Just the House, they can do it.

That's not fair. It's a totally different show. True, but they come up with some really cool stuff. Just saying. And Neil Batchelor got a big old budget. Don't even try to play me. It's not about budget. It's about COVID.

That's true. It's about like, you know, like only certain, like, yeah, they brought Becca and Sydney in, but like that's right you know like only certain like yeah they brought becca and sydney in but like that's two people and and and willingness and you know that there's a lot more i'm assuming a lot more hurdles they have to jump through to make these dates work so they're just working with what they have i hope the property that they have for matt james allows them to do a lot more stuff but also it's fine because it's all the same shit do you want to watch a whole another season of the same kind of boring dates what group dates when they were traveling do you remember being like oh wow thank god they were traveling because we got to watch this it's all

i mean i was i pretend to be a mime in france on andy season was that special like it was special it just looked pretty and looked cool. Yeah, it was more visual. It was just so like, wow. From an audience standpoint, you're like, oh, they're in France. They're being mimed. Exactly. Or like when we were on Caitlyn's season, when we were in San Antonio,

we dressed up as a mariachi band and had to write our songs. It was similar to this. It's just the visual aspect of doing this stuff um but anyways back to the songwriting do the songwriting um i yeah i mean listen i uh bennett was excited because he says he spits he spit flow in high school which was like my favorite would be the one that would be splitting flow splitting flow spitting flow he said he spit flow in high school bennett has really disappointed me yeah the past couple episodes what are your thoughts no i there's something about bennett that i love him but then there's also moments where i'm like you get too

much air time buddy here here's the thing about jen i figured out bennett and i don't even know if bennett's figured out bennett, okay. And I say this with love. Bennett is a dork. A hundred percent. Right? And that's fine. I say that charmingly. I just don't know if Bennett knows he's a dork.

If Bennett knows he's a dork, then it's great because he's like leaning into his dorkiness and he knows some of this stuff. But I'm not so sure that he knows yet. And I think Bennett might like look in the mirror and go. Dang, you fire. and he knows some of this stuff but i'm not so sure that he knows yet and i think bennett might like look in the mirror and go dang like fire and he you know what i'm saying like yeah i think i really if he looks in the mirror and thinks he's like the swab yes new york harvard he thinks that then i kind of hate him because then it's like then he's that type of guy who like constantly gets in here and i don't know which one he is i do know he is a dork okay do you want

me to see violent is i had saw his he posted on instagram the other day and it was like a video of him just like just enjoying my saltwater bath or like whatever and it was like he was like flexing his arm and he's like doing this and he's shirtless just like his nipples are out and he's like yeah and he winked and i literally almost died do you think so now if think? So now if he's in on the joke, if he knows it's corny, it's funny. Right. But I don't think he knows. See, that's what I'm concerned about for him. That's the thing.

I'm concerned. Last week I was like, eh. This week I was like, I don't think he knows he's a dork. But he is. And that's fine. Being a dork is great. It's in vogue. But I think he thinks he's like tyler cameron

oh yes yes yes yes there will never be another tyler i'm so sorry you know that's that's that's my take on bennett so if you're listening bennett it's okay you're a dork we love you you're you're not we love the dork you're not suave like when when he was we're jumping around but when he was like when he was talking to taisha i don't know if that was this date and he and he was – we're jumping around, but when he was talking to Tayshia, I don't know if that was this date, and he was like, I felt like – he proposed to Tayshia. Yeah. Yes. And it was just like I felt it. And I'm like, okay.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. That's not what you're talking about. But he was – it was very charming in a very dorky way. Yes. But – But stay dorky. Yeah.

Like I like that. I think he needs to lean into the dorky roots lean into like that he is a dork um and uh that we stand and yeah i like and we will stand if he's a dork now ivan is the someone who knows who he is like he on the the writing song part i suck at this i'm complete out of my comfort zone zone and he was you can just tell with Ivan, you've been able to tell this from the beginning that he knows who he is. And I don't really know who that is, but he does.

And it just, it just, it comes out very, very authentic. No, I completely agree. And I think the guys are always like, Oh,

well he's like not that outspoken one. He's not going to do well on this day. Cause he's so shy. And it's like, I think you guys are just hating that he gets his vibes. My favorite part of any Bachelor or Bachelorette season, and it happens more, I think, with the Bachelorette, it's when guys have their man chats and they sit down

and basically recap all the ways two people in general might like each other or might not like each other. It's like, well, if he doesn't talk at all, she might send him home. And well, if he does, you know, talk, then they might get together.

Yep. And if he says something rude and offensive, they might not like each other. But if he does something charming, then they might be, he'll stay. Uh-huh.

Like, okay, well, thanks for the update guys i didn't know that but thank you yes no exactly thank you for letting me not shy i'm like girl it's just a one-on-one like he's gonna be his normal self i'm sure and he was and i thought he did great on the date ivan's awesome uh and he when he pulled when he told Tayshia, or asked, rather, when he asked Tayshia to come up, he did it in a very kind of, it's a tough skill to be confident enough to talk about your insecurities all while still showing confidence. Totally.

And that's exactly what Ivan did in that moment of, this makes me nervous. I'm out of my comfort zone. Why don't you come up here, girl? Right in front of him. Yes. It was all very charming. And so he, you know, kind of,

I mean, he probably just talked his song. Yeah. It was more like spoken word. Which was fine. Which was great, honestly. It worked. It obviously worked. This is like, hey, I can't, I don't, I'm going to do this. I can't do this. yeah it was more like spoken word which was fine which was great honestly it worked it was just like this is like hey i can't i don't i'm gonna i can't do this i'm gonna do the best i can with

what i got i would have done the same exactly and i love i thought it was very charming i uh i agree my my heart was fluttering uh yeah it was jumping my heart was jumping and then there wasn't no those i don't remember any there was no No one really... Everyone did fine. Everyone did kind of fine. Zach, you know... They didn't really spend too much time on it. That's why.

Yeah, they kind of zoomed past it. Yeah, you had Zach on a cajon. Oh, Kenny. Blake with the accordion. That was my... I mean, that was shocking.

This is like... It's like... I can't complain because they did this a lot with my season, but the fact that we're not ending with rose ceremonies, it's kind of confusing, especially from a recap standpoint.

Because the date opens up with a group date that Ivan's on. Ivan gets a lot of attention. Ivan then gets the next one-on-one. Then it goes into a rose ceremony. Then it goes back to a first date again. Very confusing. Oh, yeah. I digress.

So, yeah. And thenress. But so, yeah. And then, wait. So who got that group date, Zach? Who got the group date, Rose? On the first date. Oh, on the music date, no one got it because they were competing for the one-on-one. Got it. So Ivan just got it.

Oh, that's what that was. Got it, got it, got it. Yeah. They were competing. So it was a group date that turned into a one-on-one. That competed. It was a group date. And they were like, OK, Ivan, you won. So now you're going turned into a one-on-one that competed it was a group date then they were like okay ivan you won so now you're gonna get a one-on-one gotcha and then those two had a date they played in her room and jumped for lava and jumped lava floor

ordered room service and had a pillow fight and had a pillow fight yes and then they had like they had a very serious conversation they did have a very serious conversation. They did have a very serious conversation. They did. I thought, again, it just made me like Ivan even more. Me too. He talked about his family, obviously. I think he opened up a lot. The story of his brother.

I mean, it falls in line with everyone's got their story. But I really like how Ivan talked about... I just always liked ivan they get you know the they they brought up uh black lives matter um i i loved how i even talked about it so did i i loved his willingness his opening to talk about it so i you know ivan he's uh you like he's a contender i feel he's definitely a contender for her heart, for sure. Ivan, I'm predicting is going to be top four. Ivan, I'm predicting is going to be heartbroken.

Yeah. He's not that young. He's, what, 28? 20? So he's young-ish for the group. Yeah. He's going to get shattered. And he's younger than Tayshia, so there's like a power dynamic there, other than, you know. So I can see him falling hard for Tayshia

I think he's gonna be top four I think he makes it to hometowns and he's the first to go home oh my god what a prediction I think he'll be top four as well I really like him I hope we get to see him if he doesn't end up with Tayshia I hope we get to see him if not he's gonna be so popular

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tasha because we have joe calling in oh my god to shed some light on on all the guys i'm gonna scream and the rose ceremony and the drama and um and your boy and the devastation of him going home. Yeah. So, Joe. Come on in. It's really cool to be here. Thank you so much, Nick, for inviting me. I mean, like, this is weird. You know, this may not,

this probably shouldn't be as far as I see, but I've never done a podcast before. And Manny, you've got great energy. So thank you so much for having me. Seriously, like, I wish I had your energy. Seriously, I wish we could change places So thank you so much for having me. Seriously. I wish I had your energy. Seriously. I wish we could change places and you could do the interview for me. Oh, that's so great.

Joe's still fresh off of being charming. Were you always this charming, Joe? Like shit. I just do it for the cameras. Only for the cameras. In real life, I'm an asshole. Yeah, yeah. Why did Tayshia send you you home honestly foolish that was a

very foolish decision like like last night you had like you know your little hype a little there was a little there was some joe buzz after last week's episode yeah which quite frankly is the only reason why i'm just kidding um no but we you you are someone that uh we enjoy watching and um and so we had you on and all of a sudden taisha decided to send you home were you were you okay were you surprised you were very gracious in your exit yes um um honestly i can't say i was surprised i um sometimes you just get the feeling you know and not only that I mean look at look at look at that room of guys like look at those studs around the room and I honestly I'm surprised I said I'm surprised the last long as I did and that is like me being completely earnest and to be honest all

my friends and family are like they said the same thing they're like so wait wait wait you're still on the show you're a catcher you're selling yourself short job so you mean to tell me you honestly were like when ed got that final rose you're like yep that makes sense really there's no way to a man uh and again i caught wind of a little bit of a little tension between you but i'm not an ed fan i've heard that i've heard that and i'm gonna say to a man um in the house you're gonna have other people on ask them as well if you're still interested if this is you have still feeding which i hope it isn't but in any case everyone loved ed um i i enjoy ed a lot and um. And that's just one facet. You didn't see him at all before. And that's one facet of the man.

Well, let me ask you this, Joe. Because my problem with Ed as a viewer isn't that he wasn't popular with the majority of the guys. It was clear that he was. It's just like watching it back and i'm sure you're seeing things that you didn't get to see before like conversations like you know ed's itms or conversations he's having with you know taisha and and claire he just he was a bit of a tattletale and he seemed to focus in his energy on things that you would think are beneath adult adults i guess you could say and i'm just wondering having watched it back do you have any defense am i being too hard on ed despite him

being popular in the house um if i had i'll say if i had um a you know my brother or my sister was going out somebody i was thinking about going out with somebody. And I was concerned for, I was concerned that, that, that person, for some reason, going out, going out with them for their money or going out with them for some, because for whatever reason, you know, cause they have a nice car, whatever it was. Um, I would say something as well. Um, and I think I can't fault the man for trying to protect the one you know like in that even during that time so are you saying that that uh jason is the opposite of ed

they are very different human beings and that's the thing about this whole situation you have two two very different individuals yeah and it's like and we're forced to be together in this one space and in real life they would see each other they would hang out and then they would just go their separate ways but in this scenario you literally are forced to eat together and see each other and bump into each other over and over and maybe like you have a roommate whose hat you don't like and you're like oh or you have somebody whose hat you don't like and you see him once like i just dumb hat i don't care but you see that hat like for like the same hat for a week and you're like dude why don't you just change your hat and then after a month you're like god damn it like just get rid of that hat and that is yeah

no you're absolutely i totally get it i've been there you're right and that's my problem with ed is that he decided to actually make the fact that his roommate had a hat he didn't like a thing because what it seems like a guy who's just generally you know ed ed was that way about noah this episode right where it's like my biggest problem in that world that you were a part of is when other men say things like there's no way she's going to end up with this guy they start making assumptions on the bachelorette's choice and like as if they know like you know what i'm saying like if they're her like ed's acting like taisha's advisor or in bennett's it's like and to me it's just like well let a them figure it out and uh and if any if i'm watching if i feel like anyone has zero shot at ending a petition it would be edward you know like i also so i'm just

like one that's right i listen you know again everybody's gotta have is gonna have their opinion and then i think the ways we show love and the ways we show – some people will say, I love you. And some people will say, I'm trying to protect you. And, again, there are a lot of ways people show love. I think maybe that was his way. And I can't judge the man because, again, I'm not in his head. I'm not in his heart.

So I'm leaving it at that. Have you always been this sweet and endearing? I know. Oh, man. Whatever I am, honestly, I owe it to my parents. They are the best people in the world. And, yeah, I mean, I was emotional. I'm not sure if you see it, but I was emotional during the interview

because I was so like, I was really, yeah. Anyway, yeah, I owe it to them. And I appreciate you saying that. It's really nice of you to say that. But they're great people. And if that's rubbed off on me, then I'm grateful. So going back to, since you're the first person I've had an opportunity to talk to about this

experience in general, obviously you were there for the whole like taisha dale claire you know i guess it's more claire dale taisha for going in order but i mean what was that like for you i mean did you you know it seemed like from my perspective most other than like unless you were well obviously dale and then you had jason who had a one-on-one with claire and then you had what's his name beard canadian um blake blake so if you weren't those three like the rest of you guys were just kind of just it was a waiting game how confused were you in the first, like how, in real time, like how many weeks of filming

or how many days of filming were you there with Claire? Real time, I think it's, it was like about two weeks. Okay, yeah. So like enough of time. So like, was it as confusing to you guys in the moment as it was us watching it

in terms of like, did you feel it the whole time with Dale us watching it in terms of like did you feel it the whole time with with with dale because you know obviously when you watch it back they're cramming it all into a few episodes how did it feel like in real life we'll say um i mean you've seen dale i've seen dale everyone's seen dale i fell in love with the other first time i saw him i mean like he's a gorgeous he's a good luck no doubt about it like but really and like i mean you saw snippets of the interviews but like he's got great presence too by the way and um he's well spoken so i'm gonna say like obviously from the very from the jump it was obvious obvious that she was giving a lot of attention to him. And it was obvious that she had an attraction towards him. And it was very obvious.

I mean, it was very obvious. And again, I've said this in many interviews before during the show. I'm like, in earnest. I'm trying to be honest here. I'm confident in myself. I like the person I am here like I'm confident I'm confident in myself I like the person I am and I think I bought to offer somebody but on a first like on a first like a first date which is what this is the season these interviews are well like when you when you meet somebody on the rose ceremony and then you see my group date a first like 1.5 date 99 99 out of a hundred people are going to pick Dale over me.

If not 999 out of a thousand, that's just reality. Like, that's just the fact, like, again, give me 20 days, somebody like learn them, like, like learn about me, like, like, um, know the man and I'm more confident, but on a first date, which is what the bat, which is what that timeframe was myself, as well as a bunch of these other guys are going to lose I'll give you 70, 30 or 60, 40

but definitely I won't give you 99, 100 you're selling yourself a bit short you're a handsome guy you're a doctor you played volleyball he played volleyball I played volleyball all conference

in high school or college? in high school funny. He played volleyball. I played volleyball. All conference. All conference. In high school or college? In high school. Same, same. I get what you're saying and obviously you have a real genuine humility about you which makes you charming.

Clearly Dale is a very good looking charming guy. 6'4",, beautiful eyes. You know, we get the first impression that wrote that Dale brings to the table. We're like, were you getting like because like now they have Tasha come in. Right. And you guys, you know, that's all great. But before that, you didn't know. So what was it going like when when

when claire was like not showing up for her group date or like getting this all this dale time it's like i get that you understood that why she was attracted to dale but at what point were you just did you did you ever feel like this the cynicism was going to end in two weeks it was just going to be over or what was going through your head as an individual you know being in that kind of atmosphere that as chris mentioned like never happened before um honestly i've never watched the show before so i didn't know it never happened before i thought anything was technically possible but uh i definitely none of us thought oh like it's gonna it's gonna i don't think anyone really thought it was gonna end um we were just thinking i mean he's a front runner you know but the race is long and so you like

especially like a jason and a blake like um and and and also not for nothing a group of really good looking confident dudes for a reason and so no thought was going to be over so when the announcement was made it was still like like oh oh like really and it was it was like a pin drop you know it was like silence and then you know we went through the stages of grief it was like I don't get the exact order but it was like some people were angry you know some people were like you know um you know went were scared and so you know, you know, when we're scared and you know, whatever, I forget the exact stages, but then eventually came to acceptance and we're like, Oh, like Claire, like we appreciate the fact that you, you told us, you know, you,

we came here for a woman, someone who's mature and you coming out and standing in front of us and telling us this we respect that. And it was strong for you to do that. It was strong for you to end the season and like ruffle all these feathers and you know there's like everything around you is built towards this season for you and for you to just squash that like that's hard for her like that was such a huge weight that she had to I mean yeah I mean and also not for nothing if she felt that way like what if you what if you knew you love somebody or you really felt strongly about somebody and then you could keep going

along with like holding other people's hands and like, you know, maybe, maybe, maybe trying to kiss them or them kissing you. And like, I almost respect it. You know, she felt what she wanted. Like she didn't want to like, keep like going against Dale, you know, like cheating on Dale almost. And I know it's crazy. It's 14 days, but still, she feels how you feel. And I know it's crazy. It's 14 days, but still.

No, it's not crazy. It feels, she feels how you feel. So it's kind of like, that's how she felt. I respect her for not continuing the ruse and also like potentially not hurting him. I think he understands this with the game we're playing. Everyone's just hitting on each other's girlfriend, whatever. But at the same time, like it's out of respect to him

that she ended it. So, and I respect that. Gotcha. And then Tayshia shows up. you guys are generally seemed all excited about that did you i mean i mean she's she's she's there's no denying it like she she has a radius about her that i mean outside the smoke show you're looking for joe smoke show smoke show oh that's that's a good word that's been thrown around a little bit

this past couple weeks yeah she was a smoke show if i may quote chasen but um but she definitely has this radiance and a presence about her um and it's not just the fact that she's like physically gorgeous which that's obvious but like she's she also has this kind of like like humility and openness about her that is so attractive in a human like any human let alone somebody who's like like that physically attractive which as a human she's got really great um great presence and aura and um that was obvious from the day one i'm not this is not on the show not whatever like i just think like if i met her in real life i feel the same way i was like whoa like who is that you know and we all felt awesome um i wasn't gonna ask you i love it uh what uh so just again going through the list of some of your other cast mates.

Yeah. How did you feel when they brought on the new guys? The four new guys. The new guys. I mean. They came in hot. You know? Noah and Spencer specifically.

Yeah. It was tough because we were very, I mean, like this core, we called ourselves the Sweet 16. We were like 16th, 16th, whatever. Classic. It's classic. You guys, it's a very – from my point of view, this is a very bro-y season. I was on a bro-y season on Andy's season.

Some seasons are more bro-ier than others. And I don't think it's generally your guys' fault because you guys had this unique experience of almost kind of bonding together because like Claire and Dale. This is what I was going to say. I think this season is unique in that sense where it's like Dale obviously had the crown from day one. And everyone else was like there was a shared person that you're going after kind of. And so there's that commonality kind of like, you know, there's no, everyone else in the same position except that one person. And that one person honestly had a tough time probably in the house because

of that through no fault of his own, just because he was like in the lead. And then we have some time before Tayshia comes. And so, yeah, we bonded a lot and so definitely i could see what you're saying and i and obviously like you said there are reasons as to why that happened um and uh yeah i agree it's definitely like you got close with all these guys and um for good reason i mean also not for nothing like a little older a little more mature a little more like self-aware a little more confident and i think there's really i mean i don't know past seasons but i know they're much younger and i just but i do know as you get older you get more you have more life experience you

just become a realer person you're just more comfortable in your own skin i think that was a factor of it too we could just all just talk very plainly and that was nice it was great yeah i think you could see it was some i think a lot of people saw it with you. I think you see it some other people. I don't see that in Ed, but that's just me. It's just your opinion. I mean, I don't,

I mean, you talk about maturity and knowing who you are. I just feel like some of these actions you're seeing from Ed are, are, are not becoming of a mature adult who's comfortable in his own skin. Yeah. Like you didn't do what he did. So you seem to be

a mature person. Again, I think everyone just has different ways of expressing it. It's a love language for Joe. It's a love language, man. It's also a love language. So let's talk about Noah then because Noah came

in and obviously this episode and you nor I or or or manny knows like what's next for noah noah has kind of in previews has mentioned he's going to keep it going and he may be the i don't want to be the villain of the season but but uh you had a you were the one kind of sitting down with him in this episode um i know you haven't seen it yet but he would know was kind of talking to you in like a man chat right and you were this kind of the sage listener about like what was going on were you not you you had some time alone with noah talking yeah i did i did i i you know obviously the the camera nick you know better than anyone the camera catches 0.5 percent

of what goes on right i mean so in the house i talked to noah not for, you know better than anyone, the camera catches 0.5% of what goes on. So in the house, I talked to Noah, not for nothing. He's a nurse. I'm a physician. He worked in ICUs during COVID. I worked in a hospital that was hit very hard in COVID. We shared some war stories together, and we have appreciation and our mutual respect just being healthcare workers and not for nothing, especially in this crazy time on the front lines. We had some stories to share.

And he travels a lot, and I love traveling as well in this crazy time on the front lines. We had some stories to share. And he travels a lot. And I love traveling as well. So we bonded over that off camera. It's hard to be the new guy. Again, that's what I was saying before. We had 16 guys who came in real strong. And it's hard to break in and try to make your way when everyone knows each other. Same thing for Spencer.

He came in hot. And you're trying to make your mark as men as men with a lot of like you know alpha men are which a lot everyone on the show is some has some level of alpha you know to them and you want to make your mark and you want to make your presence known and especially when you're when you're winning trying to win the hearts of the heart of a woman and especially when there's six million people watching whatever so it's like you're trying to make your Right. And so it was a tough situation for them. And, um,

I think he did the best that he could. And he's also like, he's just, just, you know, he's brash. He's relatively young. He's just grabbing life by the horns and just fucking,

just riding, you know? And, um, I'm, I'm actually, I'm not a Noah fan. Um, you are a Noah fan. Well, I'm actually, I'm not a Noah fan. Um,

you are a Noah fan. I'm not, I'm not, if I'm, I'm more inclined to defend Noah than criticize Noah because I, I think it's hysterical on a dating show that people, some people historically will be criticized for trying to date. Right.

You know, and especially as, as Joe has pointed out, it is it's a bro a group they've connected through this kind of mutual they're not Dale experience totally right and and then and then the new guy comes in and him and Spencer and and and they go for it and they and they feel like the outsider because they're not part of the sweet 16, as Joe mentioned. And that's what Noah was trying to convey in the episode. It's just like, you know, is Noah going about it the right way? Maybe not.

Who's to say? Noah doesn't seem to be going out of his way to not ruffle their feathers. Right. Right? Right. Does he have to is it fair to noah that he is he does he have to show it and be like i know you guys have been here for two more weeks i know i'm new but like so like i know this is your territory noah is basically like what i don't have to do that right he's here you know he's there and so i don't do i think he's

doing anything wrong no is he bringing some heat on himself a little bit? But I do think the other guys are more guilty of being clicky and being a little bit of – I mean he jumped the fence first quickly. Yeah. So I think that's the perception. So I'm more inclined to defend Noah than criticize him at this point knowing what we know so far. I'm more inclined to defend Noah than criticize him at this point, knowing what we know so far.

Do you think that guys are deferential to each other so they're not as aggressive? Do you think that's kind of people pulling their punches a little bit because we've had this shared experience? Say that one more time. Do you think we're being deferential to each other, like with Sweet 16, and you think we're kind of pulling punches, being less aggressive toward each other because we know each other so well in my experience in that world they're usually yeah it's it's i've you know i equate it to high school very often you that environment is i'm sure

you've just experienced it it's kind of makes you go back to those kind of very you know plays in your insecurities your kind of primal instincts if you will and it becomes very territorial and you know this particular the sweet 16 as you call it like it's a lot of like well being gentlemanly and things like that and don't step on anyone's toes and as long as you all play by these these rules that don't exist that you guys have decided to talk about then everything's fine and they're it's like you guys are like and it's not you when i see you guys like it happens but like you're treating like it's the golf etiquette on a golf course like there's a way of doing things and there's not and i'm just like right it's a dating show and so when someone like a noah comes in and says, you know what, I'm,

I'm going to play through, you know, I'm not going to wear a college shirt on the golf course. Everyone's like, whoa, buddy. And he's just like, you know, I'm wearing a V neck.

And so, and yeah, I think, I think there's a little bit of favoritism towards the guys that are already comfortable with. And I think there's kind of a know your role mentality that the existing group makes the new people feel that's that's my perception that is completely fair and uh i would say because i felt that way too definitely there's definitely like once you know somebody you're like you know like

you're gonna like step over my boy like that's don't do that you know like we love ben we love you know easy we love these guys so it's like um you know why would like it's not okay because that's our friend now you know versus we're all starting the same starting in the same place and we all know each other equally well but to some level my thought was on some level like it's a dating show it's a reality show though right as real as a reality show is but wouldn't you want to go out with a joke like wouldn't someone like that and this is this is this may sound like a rhetorical question but it's not because i'm asking myself this because i'm not there anymore obviously but like wouldn't you want to go out with somebody who is like not like a gentleman versus somebody who's like like i'm

gonna step over like that like you know that guy in the street to get to you like i will push over my my buddy to get to you like is that what you want i'm not sure if that's what you want either so that was i mean what do you think about that uh well great question i just think it's kind of a dangerous to like equate that environment to like a real world experience right and that's why if noah literally like showed up on a date and pushed you know ben out of the way then i would be like that's rude you know but hopping the fence you know literally in an environment where ed you know has a medical medical reason yeah the shoulder the shoulders i will say joe you're a very good friend and i

appreciate that about you you're very willing to defend your friends uh but yeah i don't uh again especially you know it's like being a gentleman like like it's a more appropriate analogy to be like well if you had a girlfriend like how gentlemanly should you be when your buddy wants to go out with your girlfriend you know because this is a reality TV show that is expected to end in an engagement in in in six weeks in your guys's case nine weeks for non-covid times and so I've always taken the approach that there's being polite and then there is being earnest about actually showing up and trying to give any respective relationship a shot. And if you really want to give a relationship a shot, you have to decide where your energy is going to go. Right.

And so, like, to me, I look at a Noah and I say his energy is going towards Tasha. I say his energy is going towards Tayshia. And I look at an ad and say his energy is going to people who are getting more time than him with Tayshia. Right? And if I was just using those two to example. And so, yeah, I mean, gentlemanly. I just wanted a guy who would show up for me. Oh, just so I can show up.

Just show up for me. Just want to show up. And join our pillows because there's lava on the floor. But you definitely seem like the type of person who, even in life, like you said, you sat down with Noah. Obviously, you had a connection being in the medical field. Where's Noah? Do you feel like that was a unique conversation you had with noah or anything like you said like so much of what goes on we don't get a chance to see each other there's just not enough time but did did noah get a chance to talk to other guys in the

house or was he that was he really an outsider at that point in the season from your perspective? I think Noah's got again, that, that, that mutual indiscretion about him. And I think, like you said, when you have a group of guys who have been formed that bond yeah, it was a little bit jarring to see this guy just jump the fence and do all these things. And she asked like, like Chris Harrison asked me to do it. So I put that on Noah's 0%. I mean like good for him to, for doing that, like for having the guts and do all these things. And she asked, like Chris Harrison asked me to do it. So I put that on Noah 0%. I mean, like good for him for doing that, like for having the guts to do that.

But I think he was, from the get-go, he just had this brash energy about him, which I think if we started with him, we would love this guy. And that's like the thing about it. Like it's just one of those things where, you know, that's just the the thing about it like yeah it's just one of those things where you know that's just that's just the real world where you're a new you're a new guy and especially in amongst this hierarchical society the society we lived in in the bachelor

world it's kind of like um i think he definitely had a devil may care attitude and from the very beginning and honestly i did i fell for him because i'm like you listen dude you you spend your time doing good you are a good human you know and you and you like to have fun and that's what you're doing right now and you're also having fun trying to win the heart of like the girl you're going after like like i i can't blame you for that and i don't blame you for that and i understand it and you know i'm not sure what what you reference to exactly which conversation i talked to him a lot um they showed one of your they just showed one of your conversations um okay and it really wasn't

it was just you guys kind of talking it wasn't really okay okay but clearly it just showed that you were talking to him where like it was like you were the only... It seemed like you were the only one of the guys that talked to him. I'm not going to say that. I mean, people talk to him. But I definitely think I was a sympathetic ear for the reasons I stated before. And again, I think it was not... I mean, if you were to ask him, he would say, like, F it. I was just doing me, but we're all people like nobody wants to feel like i'm the outsider like i

don't care how you know how much like how much testosterone how healthy or how like confident you are like you always want to be feel like you're accepted wherever you go we all want to and so i think you know unfairly i think he was placed in that role like the other guys montel peter and spencer all of them were like placed in a role where like you know like you get relegated to the bottom you know like relegated to like you know like the the leftovers and obviously these guys are not okay with that and they and they shouldn't be and um noah would just was more open about it and um i I understood that's where he was. What about Spencer?

He came in hot as well this particular episode. He disappeared. He flew under the radar, so maybe we'll see more of him. Maybe we won't. It sounds like Noah came in hot and he's going to stay hot. Did Spencer...

Again, you left, so you know as much as we know at this point, but was there things that we just didn't get to see because of not enough airtime, or did Spencer kind of have that line and kind of then kind of settle in in a more cruise control from what you saw while you were there?

Spencer came in real hot, dropped that, so which one of you, you know, claire scared off classic line actually a classic line your respect uh to spencer um and but he after um you know you know after you get called lunch meat i think you start reflecting you know you really start thinking like is that is that am i am i am i like is that what people look at me like like a piece of bologna am i just uh uh you know like a bore like so i think he was just like why i'm like he's he's also a charming guy which you've seen and you will see got the first impression road that was an accident like he's a guy who came in hot but you know is also like you said he's a bro you know um we were able to talk like i remember after that date after the the date where he got where he got that bloody lip and

and people were not happy but not happy with how he acted um we ate lunch the next day or breakfast the next day and i'd heard briefly about this and um and i just i mean listen i wasn't there i don't i don't know the guy so i just sat with him i ate with him and uh we just talked about you know he's from san diego he loves surfing i love surfing so we bonded over that and we had like a two-hour conversation where we were just like just talking and um it wasn't like you know a measuring contest nobody was like you know everyone was just we're just kicking it and i was like yeah i think after a while he understood you know that this was the energy that was he was putting out and maybe it wasn't exactly the energy he wanted to put out

and um after that he kind of was just like let me listen a little bit more than just like like pop off which is what he was doing to start and um i think that's how he who he is in real life too you know like and so he just became more comfortable in that situation um i just think in part and please just agree with, but like when you're, I'm not going to just chalk it up to you because not just you, but in part it's youth where you're like, let me make my mark. Like, let me like show you who I am. And when you get a little older, you're just like, this is who I am. And like, take it or leave it a little bit. Like I'm good. You know,

you hope you get there, but I just think Spencer was a little bit further along that line. Kind of like, all right. Like I came in hot. I just think Spencer was a little bit further along that line. I came in hot. I got some heat. Let me just take it all in for a second and figure it out. In general, I would totally agree with you.

Hopefully, that is the case with most people. As they get older, they get to figure out who they are. Then some people don't even though they do get older. Who are we talking about? No, no, no. Not just Ed.

Yeah, I don't want to pick on just Ed. Not just Ed. Not just Ed. How old's Bennett? How old's Bennett? Oh, yeah, Bennett. 36? 36 also.

Ben's 36. I don't know if Bennett knows who he is yet. I'm not i it do you honestly when i i first started watching the season we were talking about this before you popped in but like yeah i don't know if bennett knows who he is it's not clear as a viewer right it's it was so clear in the little bit that we got to see you like here is this guy joe is like self-deprecating has got and he knows and he's confident he's like he's fine he's totally fine with who he is and that read so so clearly just the limited airtime you got and the more you watch better

like does he know he's kind of a charming dork or does he think he's superman you know like it's not clear whether and i think and i think i think i think right now correct me if i'm wrong because you got you know him i don't i think he thinks he's pierce brosnan yeah but he's actually a low budget he's a great value great value and if he realized that he was a charming dark he would be very charming yeah charming right um bennett is you know i obviously got close to bennett not for nothing like we live close to each other we're the same age and um Bennett has many faces and also many face masks both but uh he has like as do I as do as do we all we all have we all wear different masks face mask whatever and um he definitely has I mean I'll just put it plain i just think like whatever like obviously

the bachelor again shows you 0.5 of of all the things that happen the show does and um and obviously and and it's like it's it's observer bias like when you know you're being watched i won't put this as generally as i can when you know you're being watched you will ask if you know you're being studied that's just that's that's a classic bias in psychology or any study when you know you are being watched you will act differently not and some people that that effect of that bias is greater or less and maybe with him it could be a little more um maybe so that's what i'll say to that but like in life bennett is obviously i mean i don't know if you knew this but bennett went to harvard

like he's actually a very intelligent guy i would never would have guessed um i missed that fun fact fun fact um yeah um so um so yeah i mean he's definitely a guy who is smart and um and and use that intelligence to his to his benefit as much as he could but also also super like he gets people and that's like neither here nor there a charming dork or like superman whatever you want to call it but like he understands like he understands people and um i think that served him well in life and i think that's serving him well, on, on the bachelorette and trying to win Tayshia's heart, you know? So you can't take that away from him,

you know, like he's doing great. Yeah. I mean, he's, he's, he's one of the stars of the season. So he understands people,

but maybe not necessarily himself. It's not, it's not clear. It's not, I'm just saying it's not, it's not clear. Can I say this though? Like what if we're playing checkers and he's playing chess? He's like, an empath it's not it's not clear it's not i'm just saying it's not it's not clear can i say this though like what if we're playing checkers and he's playing chess he's like he knows exactly

who he is and he's just like he's manipulating his version of you to like of himself maybe so but sometimes people make the mistake of trying to play chess when the game is checkers you go i need time to practice that's jesus you just put the game down you reversed it friends with everyone yeah i'm just saying um but uh yeah but ben it's been an interesting case study as a viewer to watch just because he's you know he's got as they would say the layers so tell us a little bit about yourself joe how did you not how i mean you went to med school i was about to ask how did you become a doctor and i was like no i get i got i i i get asked that question a lot uh it's like how did you go to school

like no but like yeah um just like tell us a little about yourself what inspired you to be a doctor maybe that's a more appropriate question um sure you know actually didn't what didn't always um well i wasn't always on this track. I had actually been consulting for a few years before I realized I wanted to be a doctor. And I just think, philosophically speaking, if I may dive a little deep. I know this is a show about The Bachelor, but if I may dive a little deep. hey, dive a little deep. I know this is a show about the bachelor,

but if my day dive a little deep. I think what makes humans human to some level is happiness. That is our ultimate goal in anything we do. It is to find happiness. And it doesn't matter if you're a doctor or a podcast host or a sanitation engineer. It doesn't matter. Whatever you do to find your happiness, whether it's fishing, surfing, whatever it is,

our ultimate goal will be to find happiness. I think, and that is the function that makes us human on some level. It's like fish don't look for happiness. They're trying to survive. Lions even, I think, it's a spectrum. I don't think it's like all or nothing, but mostly just try to survive. But it is our function as a human being as a homo sapien

to be to pursue happiness and i just and without health whatever that whatever that end is to find happiness without health you can't even pursue it you know like the human condition isn't you're not we're not meant to suffer. And through like, especially through health, if you're suffering, you can't even try to be happy. Now, whether you succeed or not to find happiness, that's going to be, that's your life. That's the struggle.

That is what existence is. Like, that's what our existence is about to be, right? We're all looking for it. But without health, you can't even begin that journey to look for it. And so philosophically speaking, I think for me and also obviously I was interested in it, like in life and like in, in biology and all those things, but that coupled with this, this idea that, Hey, like restoring someone's ability to be happy, whatever that may be,

that is good. That is like a universal good. And I want to be good. So why not pursue that path and and i did it's great i'm done i'm spent your dms are currently blowing up yeah absolutely as they should be no yeah but you're i think the best part you're obviously a very are we live right now wait no we're not but when as people listen to this joe in their car they're going to be having what this is your sleep is in seattle moment joe yeah this is so you're you're sleepless in seattle moment you should know that reference you're 36 i love the movie but yeah what's what's that what is the moment what was the moment meg ryan's you know listening to tom hanks's son in the car

and and all these you know i don't know if you know this about you you wouldn't know this about my my show but it's it's it's it's a heavy woman audience joe and but how many people listen to this show i thought this was like i thought you had like 12 people your your family comprising of like half of those people it's mostly my family and a few uncles and aunts, but I do have sisters, Joe, and I just want you to know that they will be sliding. We're getting the fan mails coming in. Yes.

They will be sliding. What else? Oh, how did you end up on the show? Did you audition? Yeah, I'm curious. That's a good question. Actually, somebody from the show reached out to me and asked me if I wanted to do it. And this was in the spring, in the,

in the height of the pandemic in New York, which obviously was the first place that really hit in the United States. And man, I, it was, obviously I was quarantined. So I would go back to my, I would just be in my, you know, 450 foot like cell pretty much for the past month, couple of months. When I wasn't there, I would be at the hospital taking care of a lot of patients,

a lot of whom had COVID. And it was not something I would normally do but i got this random message and i thought 2020 this is like that year where like you know not for nothing like i time is so precious and i do want to find a wife i do want to find love and there was no dating around at that time and i found out i googled who it was i I looked up information about Claire and put that all together. And I was like, you know what? It's just an interview. The first time it was just an interview. So I just rolled with it. And yeah, it rolled into me being on the show. Awesome. There's been a lot of talk in Bachelor Nation about improving diversity.

Obviously, Tayshisha being the second uh woman of color lead and then you have matt james but there also has been even more so a lack of asian representation on the show is that something that you've been made aware of or you have you talked about like i know did you didn't watch did you watch the show much prior to coming on no i pretty much i haven't watched it at all i never watched it all and every time i probably like saw it and then i would like just click through it as fast as i could so yeah that was my question were you even made aware of just the lack of representation the asian community had in that show because that's even you know they've had way more black people than um people who have an asian background

um i was not aware of it and only after i came back honestly um was it was was it made aware to me that there was a lack of asian representation and um and actually that's not true on the show um some of the people some of the people there were like, hey, like just by the way, like, you know, there haven't been many Asian like people on the show, like no pressure, but like you're kind of, the entirety of the race is on your shoulders, but no pressure. Like you do think, you think.

You did them so well. Be you, be you. You did a great job. You did. great job. You did. You served them well. Three billion people are relying on your representation to the world. But I did learn there. And in some weird way, there's this one, there's somebody there, a handler there, who I really got close to.

And there were tough times. As Nick, you know, maybe better than anybody, like the long hours and the interviews and the odd sleep scheduling and just all the whole rigmarole. But it's stressful. It's like a psychological test, you know, more than like as much as anything else.

But I used to tell one of these guys and was close with I was like, man, when I'm like struggling or when it was tough, like, I don't know why I can't read. But there's this line in H to the Izzo call where Jay says, I do this for my culture. And there are a couple of moments where yo it was late at night and i was like talking to my dude and i was like yo it's tough right now but man i do this for my culture and i was just like that would give me a little bit of strength just a little bit that's that's awesome pushes you over the edge um yeah just a little just give me a little bit like all right man suck it up just a little bit you know like a little bit. All right, man, suck it up. Just a little bit. And also, what are we doing right now? This is a dream that we're living in.

All we have to do is exist and try to... And we get to talk to this beautiful woman and hang out with cool people in a desert. It really was like a weird mirage to the desert imagery. Well, Joe, this has been a ton of fun getting to know you and i know a lot of people listening are going to love you even more i do have one final question before i do let you go but if you get the bat signal for paradise will you will we see you on the beach or is is is this it for for joe and finding love on tv um that's a good question you know i'll say this um i think it's like moving

and i'm i think it's probably more apt analogy would be like having kids where after i got back i was like man i'm like i loved it but i'm glad to be back um but it was an amazing experience and i would obviously do it again that first time if I could, because it was you learn so much. But and it's like moving where when you after you do, you're like, Oh, man, I like, I'm glad I'm in my new place. But I'll never do that again. Or having kids were like, man, like, again, just when people tell me like, that was really hard. And I can't I don't know if I could do that again. But then as time passes, you're like, okay, it actually wasn't that bad and I'm ready to do it again.

But I really hope I'm not single by the time that thing rolls around. I hope I found something meaningful, to be honest with you. So I can only judge it. Even more endearing. It's also not that far. It's not that far away.

They'll start May, May, June. So you only have like seven more months of being single. Guys, I got to go. The search has to start. Just say yes, Joe. It's a lot of fun. Between me and you and everyone listening, it's a totally different, a little bit more fun experience.

If you happen to be single and someone doesn't sweep you off your feet and you get the opportunity, I would like to see you on the beach, as I'm sure everyone listening. Nick, if there's anything that comes up, obviously, I appreciate you reaching out to me before, and you're definitely the president. I don't know who's the president, who's the prime minister. You're Chris Harrison, and you're definitely like the president. I don't know who's the president, who's the prime minister. You're Chris Harrison.

But you're like – I'm definitely not above Chris. I'll tell you that much. Don't even let Chris get wind of that. You're like the secretary of state. Chris, I'm so sorry. First, I hit on your girlfriend, and now I'm like – Did you hit on Lauren?

There was this kind of love thing. No, Lauren has a – Well, if anyone hit on anyone first, Lauren hit on Lauren? There was this kind of love thing. No, Lauren has a... Well, if anyone hit on anyone first, Lauren hit on you. Yeah. But I returned fire. But anyway... Well, when the bat signal shines,

you have to answer the call. You have to. And it's Lauren. I'm only human. She's a delightful person. And Chris is a very confident man. I'm sure he'll be fine. Joe, I'm happy to help you in any way, but we hope to see you on the beach. We thank you for being so gracious with your time.

Thank you for being a healthcare worker and on the front lines of COVID, obviously more than anything. And it's been a delight watching you on the season. And we are saddened that Tayshia likes Ed better than you. We're actually devastated by it. Personally. It actually really hurts. Personally speaking, I'm devastated. I was personally offended at Kaya.

Yeah, it was a slap in my face. It's not okay. Nick, thank you so much for having me on your podcast it was super fun manny it was nice to meet you as well um thank you guys for having me and um i guess we'll uh we'll see and um yeah good luck to i mean i'm excited to see the rest of the season too it's like great group of guys taste is a great girl and i'm excited to see what happens all right buddy well thanks for your time and best of luck with everything.

Thanks very much, Nick. Appreciate it. Bye. Well, we're back. Now we're back. We're back. Joe is everything we hoped he would be. Joe is everything I hoped he would be. And more. I would say and more

for sure. He's definitely wrong about Ed. thing i hope you would be and more i would say and more for sure he's definitely wrong about ed no no joe's a very sweet person and obviously it sounds like joe is great at seeing the good in everyone he really is the world needs more people like that but my criticism again of ed is not that he's a good friend i have no doubt in that it's that well yeah i told you a friend of mine said that ed reminds her of like a booger that just can walk it's terrible it's the one and that's not ed's fault that's not his fault but what is ed's fault i yeah i take i have a big i like i said like I mentioned to Joe

I just hate it when people on that show say things Ed reminds me and this is before you started watching but on Caitlyn's season Joshua do you remember Joshua? and it was like I don't know I just have a my guy tuition or whatever

just tells me it's just like you know Ed Ed is clearly projecting his own insecurities about whatever insecurities he has on to chase in and now noah totally and again well noah might be not going out of his way to avoid conflict like you know especially after hearing joe talk here you have noah a nurse on the front lines and made him like no more he's made me literally battling covet you think noah has time for a bunch of as as joe mentioned adult males who are older than him noah comes from a large family right so noah has has like i don't

know where noah falls in line but he's certainly not intimidated by stressful situations the guy's helping battling covid so it doesn't surprise me at all that noah's just like really guys whatever okay yeah because it's pettiness right and i agree and and joe acknowledge in a very diplomatic way that there was definitely a group the sweet 16 as we now know and that should happen name that happens every i died i mean it's so funny right like you hear you you know you know you have joe talking about like adults and maturity right and every season you you know we're whether it's 22 year olds or mid 30 guys every season whether it's the bachelor bachelorette you have a group in that that identify they labeled they give their group a name every yeah like the rose boys the rose boys that was told us about the

yeah you got the sweet 16 on my season like rachel and corinne and raven gave themselves a name i forgot what it was like every fucking season they resort to like a very high school type of mentality i know i said every time but like it's i think it's hysterical you know uh i think it's really cute actually though i think it's adorable like i like that they give themselves a little name it gives me very much like nostalgic vibes like high school nostalgia yeah well like i mean but also like literally like just like 35 year olds acting like high schoolers But also like literally like just like 35-year-olds acting like high schoolers. So there's literally that. It's like – That part's cute.

But the downside of that is you get the behavior that you see in like the Eds and these other guys who then equate this like gentlemanly behavior as labeling Noah as the outsider. Right. Or some sort of like – you have Bennett calling him a child. Yes. Talking to a 14-year-old. Oh, yeah. That whole thing. I was shook.

I was like, wow, Bennett's like out here. Yeah. Did you think that Bennett was justified or did you find him to be a little dickish in that moment? I thought he was a little dickish. I'm not going to lie. But I was kind of like, but it's because I like Noah. So I think that I'm a little bit biased because I think Noah's like really cool and i like him and i like him shaved um but you have the

hots for noah that could also be the thing as well oh but you also have the hots for kenny so i don't know how to feel about that so i'm actually really devastated about kenny so why that he went home i'm devastated i loved watching him we no longer get to see him not buttoning his shorts oh wait yes and then he's like if he called her T one more time I was gonna punch T

I forgot about when he says oh T even in all of his interviews he's like so like T's got this or when I'm gonna talk to T or when I see T later I found it so annoying or like the when they were doing the but you love him so i do i love him i have to defend him i dm him sometimes you've dm'd i've absolutely dm'd kenny 100 just being like he has responded yes in a very sweet nice dude way even though i'm over here like professing my love he's just like you're so

sweet dude thank you so much okay i'm like okay well obviously i would never have a chance but i just had a slide in the dms like i had to i could not i can't he would call you m he'd be like thanks m i would love that i actually would if he were even though the t thing is annoying like but he called me m i'm like yeah yes sir yes sir yeah so i'm devastated kenny talking to t kenny i was like you know i mean he just you know the boy band manager he just he he was almost like a caricature of himself yeah yeah totally and so it was like you know and he never really had a connection with claire or tasha and it was just kind of time to to. I was shocked by Chasen leaving. I was, too.

I was shocked that she chose Ed to stay over Chasen, to be quite honest. Well, I mean, that's just more Ed serving a role. And Ed's willingness to literally complain about anything is valuable at this point in the season. Yeah. It was quite the turn from last week. To me, that tells me that Chasen, Ien i bet that tatia was just not into chasen because um yeah i mean he got booted she seems to like that more like pretty boy dorky the word i don't know like laid back kind of someone a little bit more

intelligent someone a little bit more like well-spoken well-spoken thought provoked like she seems to like somebody's a little have deep conversations yeah nerdy in her yeah polished almost polished yeah i feel like taisha's very polished i think that she would want someone who's very polished as well so she seems to like that a little bit more not smoke show not smoke showing yeah so chasen got to go but you know back to back to the no i feel like when watching it felt like noah was getting a very similar edit that i got which was like you know ruffling feathers simply just by you know doing what you've done yeah just by like not apologizing for um just going for the girl you know like and there was a moment where

you know uh there was a beat where they're all like at the table and it's right for the rose ceremony and noah's wearing the rose and he's just like and he's saying how um how having a rose makes him feel yes while he's wearing the rose. Except that that's such, it just like, he was clearly, I don't know who he was answering, but he was answering a question that how's it feel to have a rose? Totally. Without question.

He was simply answering a question. So that was in no way, that was in no way, no peacocking. Right. He was 100% answering a question. Maybe from one of the guys. Totally.

You know, hey guy, you know, it might have been Kenny. It could have been Kenny just being like, hey, you have a rose,

you must feel good. What do you think? And he was probably like, yeah, feels pretty good to have a rose. Then all of a sudden, all we hear is,

well guys, just so you know, I got a rose. Do the producers ask questions during the show? Everyone's asking questions part of the show when you guys are all

standing around like that do the producers ask questions to people sometimes if there's not like you need people to talk and create a TV show

but most of the time it happens between the guys the guys are constantly asking each other questions you know or the producer probably asks them

to ask a question but Noah is definitely responding to a question. To somebody asking a question. He wasn't just randomly like, hey, before we start this night, I have something that I want to express my feelings about having this rose. Zero chance he wasn't answering a question. Another reason why I don't have a problem with Noah.

Because then we have the situation where towards the end of the episode where i know uh talk to tasha talks to tasha that's where i was a little shook now noah has these like facial expressions that make you go you're a little fucker yeah i cannot but i can't in that show judge anyone for a facial expression because it's their face not only that but like they're just on your face 24 7 and we all make stupid faces right so that a facial expression can and cannot or may or may not be used out of context so i hate to judge someone by a facial expression but noah seems to have one of those faces where he just noah clearly doesn't mind drama and that's fine he is not afraid of it he is not afraid of getting himself into some

shit he goes to taisha and he just says hey and it it comes across a little strategic i i feel it was very strategic to be honest he had a rose so i feel like if he he was safe like he was like oh i'm good but let me just kind of so did you have a problem with it i didn't really have a problem with that i was just kind of like oh my god i can't believe he's doing this i was a little shook any names under the yeah he did it so he could have i'm curious what people will say because some people might criticize him for it but i will say this if noah didn't do that there is a zero percent chance that ed or one other guy wouldn't have come to Tayshia and said, just so you know, we don't think Noah's here for the right reasons.

Noah did it first. But he really set Tayshia off with that one. She really went ballistic. Which I got to say, it's not really Tayshia's fault. Which I got to say, it's not really Tayshia's fault. However, what a weird, I'm definitely in general over the double standard. There's a lot of double standards that we see in society between men and women and on The Bachelor. Because if a bachelor had walked in and scolded a bunch of women, it would have been different. She yells at them like they're children.

Right. And now, like, Tayshia is not the first bachelorette to do that it's become a thing andy did that uh uh hannah hannah brown did that with and that's part of it too kind of claire i mean claire i mean um but like it's to be honest like that's it seemed more authentic it seems more authentic to this is not a criticism of anyone, but it seemed more authentic for Hannah Brown to do that because it seemed to be more in her nature or even Claire. It doesn't seem like it's in Tayshia's nature.

So it felt forced for Tayshia to be yelling at the guys about quite... Honestly, through no fault of her own, it's something that was probably a fair criticism to be like i mean listen the roses you don't need an insider's point of view to know if you've watched the show it's not a coincidence that multiple times in a season often people who receive the rose at certain times is the person who will most irritate everyone else of course happens every season so do the math right and so noah suggests something that there's probably some truth to it right and taisha's response is to like get all mad and like you know i don't

fault taisha because she's a victim of a TV show at that moment. But it just read a bit insincere. I do think that it's, like, you know, strange to get upset about, like, that. Where it's, like, oh, they're challenging my, you know, like, me being truthful. And it's, like, but that's, like, and? Like, I don't know. I feel like that's kind of, like, not. I would have loved to have seen taisha go and yeah like at the end of the day i would have become the biggest

taisha stan at that point if she would have just looked at okay okay it's her show like sometimes i give people roses because it's fun i want to see you guys fucking react maybe i do maybe i am trying to create tension because you know what i want to replicate i want to create and represent strong stressful environments because you know what is so telling about any relationship it's not how well you get along it's what you do when it's stressful how do you deal with conflict how do you deal with pressure resolutions good way to twist it that's hot what i would tell the women on my season you know and because like look the vanessa didn't get a group date rose so like clearly roses are used for a variety of different reasons and did corinne get a group date rose she got a ton

a group date rose especially when it would just fire everyone up see and you know what like there is there is a sincerity it's not just a tv show from a from my you know the producers might have their motives but i had my motives too and that was i want to see how you guys respond to not getting what you want whenever you want it. It is an imperfect environment, that world, right? It is a TV show that is asking real people to develop real relationships in that world, right?

And I get why every person like Tayshia and Claire and myself at the time, like go about it in all different ways. But that attempt at relationships is real. And you have very limited time and resources to try to get to know all the people there. So, yeah, I would have loved to see Tayshia go, and? Is that an issue? I would have not even blink and just ignore it that would have been so good and so different but instead we got like the oh it's the moment where the bachelorette's supposed to yell at the guys like they're kids i'm over it i hope we don't see that

anymore and i don't fault taisha for that i just i am over that because it's not it's not a thing anymore it's like now it's like it's just it's it's become almost a cliche of oh tell your sad story you know i feel like it must also be personal preference of mine people might disagree but uh it's become to anything that gets repeated every season becomes something that's now part of the show. Right. And I would, it's not, it's, it was cool when it felt authentic. Anywho,

any final thoughts, Manny, before we let you go? Honestly, I'm just excited to see the rest of the season. To be honest, I do miss some of the drama with Claire. I'm not going to lie watching Keisha's,

but it is nice to indulge on some, a Sunday every once in a while. Well, maybe we will not. Sour Patch Kids. Maybe we will see some more drama. We needed this type of... I needed the reprieve, though.

I really did. We needed it. Tayshia's been nice in that regard. We're finally getting a chance to even get to know the men. Think about it. This is only just... Yeah.

We didn't get to know any of these guys. It's a bummer. We didn't get to know Joe more. I know. But we just got so overly consumed. We just got to know Joe in an know but we just got so overly consumed no we just got to know Joe in an hour long conversation

over three episodes and episodes of everything going on I love Joe he's great Manny thanks so much for taking the time

helping us do this breakdown absolutely and talk to Joe where can people find you all the great things you're doing you can find me on MannyMUA733 on Instagram,

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Subscribe. Manny's got so many subscribers. And for the people who aren't familiar with your work, because I know there are literally millions, what would be a benefit for them to subscribe? Well, for me, I like to show off makeup. I teach people how to do makeup. I like to review makeup.

So if you're interested in makeup or skincare, lifestyle stuff, I'm the go-to for that. The go. You're the guy. I'm the dude. If it looks good on me as a dude, it's going to look really good on you as a girl. I mean, the go-to. Now I'm so embarrassed I'm not wearing makeup. Actually, I was thinking about putting makeup on before just to get rid of these bags under

my eyes. And then when he came in and sat down because he was so on time, I was like, i'm not putting my makeup on in front of this person because it would be bad you look great i mean i actually get that a lot i get that all the time people are like i should have a makeup on around you and i'm like no no please i don't want to put it on wrong either i don't i'm so bad at being a girl i don't i like carl lewis was on my season i didn't meet didn't meet Carl Lewis and ask him to race. Like why would you, you don't go up to an expert and then challenge, like why would you.

But that's my own insecurity. I know, but like it seems odd that people were like, I should put makeup in front of you. All the time. Why would you, why would you. Do you think I'm judging like their appearance? I don't know. I would never like ask an Olympian to race.

I feel like why, what are you. I was like trying to. I never thought of it that way. Yeah, but it's like, it's like trying to Paint in front of a famous painter Yeah you don't do it Exactly that's why I didn't put makeup on

Because I didn't want to do it wrong Hold on Michelangelo let me show you Look at my Crayola scent So that's exactly what it is with Manny It's like I don't want to do it wrong It's like he's the Michelangelo With the makeup Well thank you for joining us Manny, it's like, I don't want to do it wrong. That's so funny. It's like, he's the Michelangelo in the makeup.

Well, thank you for joining us. I hope you guys enjoyed this bit of a mashup. We didn't want to pass up on the opportunity to interview Joe. We couldn't. But we still wanted to be able to recap this episode for you. I'm a fan. So, Manny, thank you so much for helping us through it. Thank you for having me uh don't forget to subscribe rate us five stars tune in tomorrow for la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la

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