The Viall Files - E205 The Bachelorette Recap With Russell Dickerson

Episode Date: December 2, 2020

For this recap of The Bachelorette we are joined by country recording artist Russell Dickerson. As a previous performer on The Bachelorette, Russell is invested in the franchise and the super fan in him comes out as he and Nick go through the events of this evenings episode. From Ben & Zac’s vulnerability to what it was like being a part of the show, and his want to be friends with Eazy in real life, Russel is all in. Make sure to check out his new album Southern Symphony coming out Dec. 4th.  “Everyone went hard in the paint on that self portrait.” Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes.  THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Rum Haven: http://www.discover.rumhaven.com for the latest tips, recipes, and giveaways. Thereagun: http://www.theragun.com/viall to Try for 30 days.  Echelon: http://www.echelonfit.com/viaall try it at home for 30 days free.  Each and Every: http://www.eachandevery.com/viall 30% off with promo code VIALL  Usual Wines: http://usualwines.com use code VIALL for $8 off your first order and get your first glass is on us.  Episode Socials:  @viallfiles @nickviall @russelled  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I don't know. Whatever. But you know what? The important thing is we have a great episode for you, recapping and breaking down another episode of Tasha's Bachelorette season. And our guest is going to be part of our intro, the very talented, very wonderful Bachelor superfan, Bachelor performing artist

Russell Dickerson joins us. Oh yeah, man. Thanks for having me, dude. Thanks for coming. This is a big week for you. You got a new album coming out and you were on Jimmy Kimmel last night. For those of you who didn't get to see it,

go back. I'm sure you can YouTube it. You're doing the press tour this week, and we thank you for being a part of Recaps this week. I like to know that we're in the Jimmy Kimmel, Kelly Clarkson lineup of press tour. Oh, you are, bro. Absolutely. It's a nice little break to kind of you know step back

talking about the album and all that stuff talk about a little bachelorette drama i'm here for it dude i know you in fact we've been working with russell and his team to get him on this this recap he's been passionate about sincere about wanting to come on and break down and share his thoughts on the season and we we couldn't be happier to have him but before we do break it out break it down, why don't you tell us a little bit about your music, your new album coming up, why it's the best country music album of all time and why everyone should be quick to download it.

Dude, I mean, you said it yourself. You just nailed it right on the head. That's what I hope this album is. It's called Southern Symphony. And this album goes all the way back from to my childhood, all the way to now with my beautiful wife, Kaylee, and our little baby boy, Remington. So these songs cover everything of life and love. And I could not be more proud of every single song on this album uh we just came off a two week number one with my last single love you like i used to and uh the next one next single

is called home sweet so yeah man the album's called southern symphony out december 4th and man just y'all go check it out congratulations on all your your success and your new album coming up. And make sure to check that out. And I think let's just get to Russell and I breaking down the episode of The Bachelorette. Let's do it. Thanks for joining us, Russell. Yes, sir. Thanks for having me, Nick.

Yeah, I'm excited to have you on. I know that we've been trying to make this work for a while, and it's always fun to find out various celebrities and people you might not come to expect to be big Bachelor fans. And I know that you and your wife are big fans and uh so it's always fun to get different points of view when we recap these shows so welcome hey glad to be here absolutely glad to be here so uh as i'm sure many of you know who who you know watch the show that russell was a musical guest on on rachel's season and you performed who was who I as my audience knows I wasn't allowed to watch that season so I didn't get to see what I'm sure was an amazing performance but what was the date and and and for the people who don't know or don't remember who is Rachel on a date with do you remember yeah this was uh this was rachel and dean we were in south carolina okay yeah old deanie babies so he uh yeah that was like you know the classic like twinkly light

set up just coming back from from dinner or whatever and you know there's they they pull up in the limo hop out and i got to play i mean this was like right before anything started happening for me so this was like a huge launching pad for me uh being on this show and yeah played my first single yours and they just made out and danced were you it was awesome were you uh were you an avid watcher at that point, or is that what kind of got you in? Oh, yeah, for sure. My wife definitely dragged me in. And, you know, once you're in, it's cyclical, dude.

It just never stops. And so, yeah, I mean, she brought me in a couple years before that. yeah i mean i've been she brought me in got a couple years before that and so i mean we even even like our friends tagged along we got a tour bus and drove drove up there and like our friends were like uh we're going to watch this for sure so we just like piled everybody in the tour bus and rolled to south carolina that's that's amazing um as far as the experience like what was that was it like for you was it everything kind of expected or from your point of view like some of the behind the scenes did it did it make you more of a fan did it almost make it too real where you couldn't be as much of a fan

like what was that experience like sometimes it affects people differently i think i came away from it just respecting the like like the behind the scenes, man, all the production crew and all that of like, cause you know, you just see on the show, it's just like, Oh,

Russell Dickerson's playing and they're making out and dancing. Love it. But like, dude, we got there at like noon. We didn't, we didn't end up playing until like midnight. So,

you know, it's just like the setup and the waiting and all the moving parts to pull all this off. It was just like crazy respect for the whole production staff. But I don't know, man. I kind of come away even more of a fan to see, you know, how just like crazy the entire process is. Like they had just met however how however many days ago maybe

a week ago because it's pretty early on in the season and so i don't know it's just like i loved being able to see everything behind the scenes yeah did you were you uh was it like a private concert was this rachel and dean and your band or Or was it like Rachel and Dean dancing in front of a crowd that you got to play? Because sometimes they do both. Yeah, this was a crowd. So luckily for us, we actually could perform to people, and they knew the song. And so that made it a lot more real.

And another fun fact is while we were waiting, Chris Harrison just hops on the bus. We have a little maker's mark. And he's like, dude, why don't we just go fire this crowd up real quick? So me and him go out there. And me and him and my guitar. And we just play some old country, like country like friends in low places and just like kind of do a little a little cover set gig just to kind of keep the fans it's a little chilly so

you know it's just like that's a that's awesome just like another fun memory from that whole show i still have the bottle of makers that we all signed that night oh really that's pretty cool oh yeah yeah yeah dude that awesome. The stress of life weighs on all of us, but thank God for Theragun. I can't tell you, I was working out yesterday, and I used my Theragun before and after, and later on that

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What's been the thought from your camp in terms of the Bachelorette switchover? How are things progressing? What's your kind of recap bring us up to this current episode i'm loving it dude i'm loving like the the straight to the pointness this like claire was like boom this is what i want dale done and like that was i mean we we knew it was coming from the previews but like the fact fact when Tayshia comes in, and I feel like she's the same way. She's got her dead set eyes on a few of these dudes.

And I just appreciate her to the pointness and not just like, oh, I'm just looking for love. It's like, no, I'm here to find a man. And I love that. I love that about her. That's awesome. All right, well, let's get into the episode and start breaking it down let's do it all right um so the episode kicks off with uh the one-on-one it do we finally have like a normal episode right like it actually

started at the beginning of a week after a rose ceremony am i remembering that right yeah and it and it kicks off with uh zach c finally getting a 101 and there's definitely yeah before that they keep they keep showing ben almost breaking down every time there's a date card coming like ben's just like he's got to get a 101 i mean ben is yeah i mean in the nicest possible way ben is getting a very favorable edit all while um showing how he like almost might snap because like i'm sure is someone who's watched the season right right you've seen other times where they'll they'll show someone wanting a one-on-one date and sometimes they sound ungrateful or they sound whiny and they sound like they're just not you know capturing the moments that are giving them but yeah they seem to be

at least for my interpretation like ben doesn't look that whiny he like you almost feel sorry for him they're they're like they keep it's like they're reinforcing that there's something there between him and tasha and he just has to wait but every time we're just reminded that ben hasn't gotten a one-on-one who knows what ben might do if he doesn't if his name doesn't show up on a day card but uh yeah that's something you've definitely is it annoyed you do you mind it do you like ben has it made you sympathetic to like are you worried for him i mean yeah absolutely i mean at this point she's already got her eye on a few dudes and i i think he could definitely use that one-on-one time which which we find out later on he's definitely been dying for that time and also when he even if he

does get the time he still talks about how he has trouble opening up and all that stuff so yeah i 100 agree uh but zach gets it zach gets the uh the 101 and uh there was definitely some uh throughout this episode there were some throwbacks to my season um that uh so the photographer on zach and tasha's date was the same photographer that i had on my first group date uh was it was it friend what was it uh Francisco it was Francisco what was his name delightful man he shaved his mustache yeah he still has he designs his I'm assuming he had his his jumper or his one onesie outfit he he he does I remember he designed his own on my season. I assume it's the same.

Delightful bad, but they brought him back. It was good to see him. You've got to bring him back. He apparently is the foremost wedding photographer. Definitely a different, you know, this was more of a one-on-one date. Again, back to like, they're just like struggling with like ideas in terms of having dates stuck in one place.

Exactly, stuck in the resort. Let's do a photo shoot and make it super awkward because Tayshia's already been married. Also, Zach's been married, but we don't know this at this point and so like it was kind of i don't know what your thoughts were but like you know it's funny because you watch it and you're just like why are both of them making this so weird like i get you've been married it's a photo shoot yes you're dressing up you know and playing house but like and i but but the same time i guess being in that world, I get it. You have nothing better to do than to take everything seriously. Everything is just meant to be almost earnest in a one-on-one time. And especially from Zach's point of view, this is your shot, right?

You're a one-on-one, your first one-on-one. If you get a one-on-one, it's your shot, man. This is where you have an opportunity to like make your mark and so you know it's it's it's easy to fall in that trap of like just taking everything like at face value even if it's you know a photo shoot dressed up as a married couple right a dating show but like even even if it's a i mean you can tell immediately how big of a trigger it was for tasha and but i mean she said that she was like i thought it would be fun and silly in the moment of like deciding to do this but then when it got to like right down to

it when they got there you could see it was just like oh shoot like yeah flashbacks and you know i i haven't been there i don't know but like i feel like i feel like she takes all that pretty seriously and you know i mean yeah i agree i mean i haven't been married in divorce so i don't know like i right i'm watching it being like okay well man it's just a photo shoot. But maybe there's definitely some from a society's scar of feeling like you only imagine to get married once type of thing, and we have a way of judging ourselves. So apparently Tayshia is having a little relapse of marriage and the seriousness of it.

The Bachelor kind of always does this it's like they're like checking in with the audience and the and the contestants of like this shit is serious man this is about marriage you know like in case you forgot you're getting fucking married at the end of this and it's all like you know clearly like you know taisha and zach you know, Tayshia and Zach, you know, took that note. And yeah, I don't know. They have a photo shoot. I think it was like they started with the most, like they didn't ease into, like they did it. They could have done it backwards.

Like they didn't ease into like goofy outfits, whatever. They went straight for like white dress yeah tux walking down the aisle like moment and you know i mean but that's that's that and then they then they went to like the goofier like less wedding attire yeah stuff which kind of that's when they like you know i feel like they eased up a little bit from yeah i wonder if the whole day was as serious as they made it sound, but who knows? It's entirely possible for five minutes, Tisha's like, yeah, this is super weird. And then they showed that.

Right. But the rest of the day. And then we get into the night portion. And as many one-on-one dates give us, we have Zach's tragic story, which I got to say say this guy really went for it because he could have been like hey listen oh you were married me too you know and then been like yeah it just didn't work out and we ought to have been like oh wow tasha and zach relate because they they were both married like kind of like brandon had it but like that's just the start it's actually just like hold on there's more that's the best part and then he just kind of keeps going and it's like one at one beat after another he's like and then i had a drug problem and then i got arrested

and then she left me and he even subtly suggests there were days where he had bouts of depression. And he floated the idea that he was suicidal. He didn't say it. But he suggested there might not be a tomorrow. Sure. You know? And I give Zach a lot of credit. He didn't have to do that, you know.

He certainly could have, he could have, like, you don't have to go on the show and, like, tell all your secrets, right? Like, you can go on the show and be like, hey, this shit was hard and I'm insecure about this. And Bachelor Nation will be like, oh, wow, okay, cool. Sad story. Great. I like you but zach's like no no no no i'm gonna tell you the date was 1998 yeah and like wow yeah so yeah he's got my respect though dude like you know a lot i feel like a lot of dudes have trouble opening up on the show and he was just like you know what here it all is here's my addictions divorce and all that stuff and i

don't know i just he's got my respect for sure yeah he he really went for it and it it's certainly uh there were i wasn't sure at first it was like you know taisha's listening and she's she's kind of you can't tell if she's just impressed by the honesty or she's like thinking in her mind this is this is a little more than i bargained for you know sometimes when you're just like hey thanks for being honest but like like dang like i don't i don't know and you're not really sure right like at first i like at first i was convinced that taisha was uh it was a little too much like she was like thanks for speaking your truth and i like you and you're really honest but like yeah i don't know too much too much for me but i i think i think she that is exact because dude

her face does not lie so i think that is exactly what was going on through her head but then i think what was like totally redemptive for the whole thing is he's like and now i've been on the board of this like addiction facility for years now, which is like, that was kind of like a positive bomb drop for me. I was like, holy crap. Yeah. That, that is like,

that was a huge turnaround and like even more respect. Totally. But it's, it's a weird thing because in that world, right. Your time is so limited. Right. So usually you're expecting stories like,

again, like, Oh, I was, I got divorced and, and I'm in a better place. Right. Your time is so limited. Right. So usually you're expecting stories like again, like, oh, I was I got divorced and and I'm in a better place. But you don't really just you don't have a lot of time in that world for like follow up questions and getting into the nitty gritty. Right. Like if if you were dating someone, Russell. Right. And they and, you know, on a third third date they decided to open up to you about

these these big truths and and your your Tayshia and you're just like okay well that's a lot and okay but wow you're you've seen wow you've recovered and now you're heading up this board that's great but you definitely have follow-up questions like well like you know what I'm saying like yeah have you ever relapsed have you ever like gone back what's that like do you still struggle with at times you definitely want to get a little bit more information about like how good is this situation you know you want to and tasia doesn't get that time there's no way i mean i wasn't there but like you just their time's so limited that there's there's no way she didn't leave that date with thinking of a bunch of follow-up questions you would normally want to ask.

That time you're like, oh, well, next time we talk, we'll do that. And I'm sure, you know, I don't know how far Zach goes. He's definitely my top three. So I'm going to assume at this point he gets a fantasy suite date. And so maybe those conversations come up then. But it definitely was a lot to unleash on Tayshia. And he definitely handled it well. And it was a lot of good stuff.

But if you're Tayshia, you definitely have some more follow-up questions. There are definitely questions in the back of your mind for sure. Yeah. But, I mean, as far as, like, things that Tayshia said after a date, she seems to be as into Zach as anyone. I mean, those are things that are very specific. It's, you know, from an edit standpoint, that's what Tayshia said. She clearly feels that way about Zach.

She's excited about him. I think she said something like, as far as any date she's had so far, like Zach has at all, you know, in terms of the type of relationship and maybe communication styles or just, you know, maybe she just feels safe around, you know, and it makes sense. Like it's, I don't know Tayshia all that well.

And you've heard a lot from Tayshia, even when she was on this podcast, her divorce has been a big part of her story, both on the show and it sounds like in her real life. Sometimes when you watch the shows, I'm sure you've recognized, there's a lot of people who have their story. And sometimes their story is like, well, yeah, I guess I have a story. And if you want me to tell a story, I'll tell the story at a TV show. And sometimes people's stories are really stories that they live with on a day-to-day basis right and it sounds like taisha's divorce is something that she like really lives with right

on a day-to-day basis that she you know she feels this i don't know if it's shame or whatever like something like i when i you know you get cheated, you're just like, you feel like this thing that you shouldn't feel, but we do. We have a way of doing this to ourselves and a struggle that maybe something Tayshia's insecure with. So maybe Zach and his issues that he's dealt with and he kind of owns all those things maybe makes Tayshia feel safer. Maybe that could be a big reason why she is connecting with Zach. Yeah, I do.

I mean, if she, and I think she's kind of demanding that of these, of these dudes is like, you gotta be real. You gotta be open. You gotta open up. You gotta let me in. And, you know, because she, because she's so open, she's, you know, she's got that, um, divorce that she, you know, feels like she needs to communicate with everybody. And that, you know with everybody. And that's her choice. And I think her being so open, she expects that of these dudes too. Yeah, totally.

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I think, yeah. Really? He's my favorite. I think he's the hottest guy in the group. Straight up, dude. I think he's definitely taken a big lead. Yeah, he's super good looking in a not as traditional way but i mean god his eyes he's got great eyes he's got the curly hair and totally i totally agree with you but i just don't i don't totally i don't buy it for taisha okay all right only

because like you know sometimes that first one-on-one that people get, it's not entirely always the case, but it often serves a very important role of storytelling in the show. And I think Tayshia likes him. Totally. I think he crushes one-on-one. Oh, I think he crushes. And we'll get into the group date, but I think he's great.

I think he's fantastic. He's one of my favorites. I just don't know if he's Tayshia's favorite. Okay. All right. But all right. So you got Brandon number one. I got Brandon.

Dude, up until this daggum episode, my boy Easy. Oh. It's not who you like the best. I know. And that's what i realized in this episode like me and my wife were talking about it me and kaylee were talking about it it's like he's like dude you she said you and easy would be like absolute best friends and i was like one million percent and you know if i was on this show i don't know if i would have been right for

you know what i mean it's like but easy dude freaking love that guy i really like easy i uh sometimes i like i i was watching it with my friend and i was i was telling her i was just like in the beginning of the date i was like easy's going home watch yeah i saw it like the whole time within the the first like first 20, 30 seconds, there was no, there's no like arm around. There's no like kissy snuggly smoochy. And I'm like, bro, you got to get in there, dog. Yeah. But he was set like she, chances are he was always going home.

True. Okay. We'll break it down towards the end. We'll get there yeah so you you liked easy but all right loved it but yeah obviously not top five ivan i think he's crushing it too yeah he's been he's been getting some time so if you had to pick your top four for hometowns who would it be for tasha who would it be as of right now i think ben will make it to hometowns yeah so that's so you got brandon ben ivan dude i bet zach i bet zach will make it to top four okay yeah yeah so ivan brandon yeah ben

yeah that's a that's a good top four yeah i feel I feel good about that. I kept thinking Spencer, but Spencer hasn't done shit since he showed up and got that first impression rose. Yeah. As far as first impression roses go, I don't remember a contestant, especially on The Bachelorette, because historically, as you know, first impression rose, including Dale, has been like a total front runner in fact i mean as you as you know like first impression rose winner has won the bachelorette almost every season and if if they don't win they're like top two or three right sure but then you have spencer spencer's

coming in comes in hot great looking guy seems charming he's like comfortable talking to taisha you know he's not intimidated in conversation and he's really completely fallen off the map yeah i think it was just a big splash of like bringing in the new guys yeah you know and and i think they just use that to make spencer seem like this big bad dog and as time goes on and just like i'm i'm looking at the whole lineup here and i'm like who yeah oh yeah so you've you've forgotten about it like all he all he had this episode was a um some commentary around the noah and bennett drama yeah that's literally that's he's been he's he's resorted to like a narrator on this season. This is a guy who I like, you know,

this was a guy when he showed up was like, this guy could win. This guy could maybe be top three or maybe he'll be the villain or all three. And now he's just like, yeah, pretty good looking guy who's there to like, you know, help us recap what's going to remind us. Exactly. He's just been demoted to the peanut gallery yeah i mean it's entirely possible like this season is so different because they're they're working with less time right like i still don't know like i'm not sure i'm assuming that i don't know if they're having extra episodes right right so they're trying to cram in a whole

season of taisha with with less weeks and it just you know character arcs and and storytelling for these characters or these guys this might go differently so it's entirely possible spencer could still get a one-on-one and when he does he he is uh you know a big part of the story. But, like, Ben hasn't had a, like, Ben hasn't had a one-on-one, right? Right. And yet, even though every episode, that's part of Ben's story is that he's waiting for this one-on-one. And even when he's not getting a one-on-one, he's getting these moments of, like, we're seeing Tayshia and Ben

or we're seeing the problem, their lack of communication. And Ben isn't, how, Ben's not showing up as taisha is constantly saying right so like we're being told that like pay attention to ben even when he's not getting a one-on-one and we're just not being told to pay attention to spencer so like i'm just wondering if we shouldn't and which is like i it's just a kind of a something i just thought about like it's it's so not typical of someone who gets a first impression rose on the bachelorette yeah usually they're like a villain right like it's like oh if if they're not their favorite okay i thought i like this guy it's just weird that like even

even from a show production standpoint he's just not getting into any drama it's just yeah i'm kind of fascinated with it so yeah i don't know we'll see i agree um i don't know so then we move into uh well you know zach it's a a the group rule the rose he solidifies himself as a top contender and now we have the group date rose uh the group the group date which what were your thoughts on the group date overall just general the they like the emotional like the the art date where they all kind of express themselves i mean i i mean i think it was i mean that's exactly what taia wanted from everybody. Yeah. Like to open up, to be real. And then, dude, when they made the clay, I was like, when they started doing that,

I was like, somebody's going to make a wiener. 100%. Of course it's black. Of course, dude. So, dude, that had me dying. I think Brendan crushed it, the picture frame. It was amazing. Turned sideways. Beautiful. It was so great. um i think i think brendan crushed it the little the picture frame turned sideways beautiful it was so it was so great it was so simple you thought he's mailing it in but his delivery his delivery yeah is yeah i i loved it i was just like oh my god you're hot yeah i i would

i would have picked him for the for the extra one-on-one time for sure um i mean yeah to be honest i think this might have been one of my favorite group dates yeah of all time on any season ever because you know as someone who's been in that position like it humanized those people the guys it made you kind of like them all in a very endearing way and unlike you know your heavy-handed one-on-ones that like you know talk about these tragic like these weren't about like tragic stories these were just like kind of a simple um self-expression as they talked about about their insecurities and hopes as humans and like anytime you get anyone to talk about that it just endears you to them it's like have you ever heard of that like one like there's this there's this like you know

fall in love with someone in like 20 minutes time to put tests where like if you like there's this whole thing like if if if it's you and a person and you know let's say like if you're attracted to women then you and another woman or that's something you're physically attracted to or have some sort of attraction to and then you can sit down and like if you go through these questions and they're like they get more and more personal and you open up more and just like by definition when you do that you just you kind of fall for someone and this was like a little bit of that where from a show standpoint i loved it because it kind of endeared you to even all the men even ed i don I don't remember what Ed did, but you're just like, you know, I've been critical of Ed. He's like, you know, because these are all people, right?

And I think we often forget about that on the show, that they're like, these are human beings. And as we saw with Tayshia, I think it made her more invested in all the, like, the more the lead cares about all the contestants as humans. And like, and I mean really cares, like feels like emotionally attached, the better TV it is. But like I just thought it was like one of the better episodes. Absolutely. For all those reasons.

I do too, bro. I think, you know, like you said, once they started to open up, like you just like you said once once they started to open up like you just like oh man like that's cool that you went to that deep level on on national television and and you know like there is not a lot of time left there's not a lot of time that each of these guys are going to get to one-on-one and have that deep emotional time so everybody just went hard in the paint on that on that self-portrait dude yeah i get i give them a lot of credit i i wonder if it i don't i don't know if the producers meant this or not but because time is so limited and it's like it's like hey taisha you showed up late

we need to like fucking like get these relationships going right there's just not enough time and i gotta say like this little exercise that they had the guys do was a great way to like leapfrog um these relationships and feel connected i thought it was a real clever way and i would i honestly would love to see this date replicated in some way shape or form on every season going forward agree to like have these people kind of more even earlier on just kind of like let the audience know and the lead know like what like what are their trick like what's their like real soft spots you know like where are where where are they most relatable as humans to everyone else i thought that was yeah that was great what did you think about ben's

self-portrait i wanted i wanted to ask you about that you tell like what was your thoughts about well because at this point you don't know about ben's story right so we we see ben you know he's struggling he's struggling we keep oh ben can't communicate we're just told well all these other guys are nailing it and you, you know, like, then it's like, Ben's not saying anything. Then Ben walks out. Ben comes back naked. You're like, what? And like, Ben has a hot body.

Right. So as a guy, were you wondering nice, nice, subtle flex, Ben, or like, you know, like this wasn't like, I don't know know some guy who came out who's maybe a little insecure about like taking his shirt off you know he usually swims with the t-shirt on or something i don't know right you know and he's like here i just this is what i'm fucking insecure about like my naked body and i'm going to do this and have this but no ben takes his robe off he's a he's a chiseled greek god yeah what was your take did you did you did it win for you or were you in the moment even before knowing ben's personal struggle were you were you eye rolling did you did it bet did

it work on you what was what was the wife's thinking i'm really curious dude i was about to say my wife kaylee was just like bro seriously wow you know and i was like okay i totally see that but also like they walked into a new drawing session anyway yeah you know so that's already kind of like happening and then he i feel like if there's a little i guess he could have gone deeper in his like his speech about why he chose to get naked you know it's like i give you this body i give you whatever i'm like okay like you're jacked you're ripped you look awesome bro but, bro. But, like, more of, like, I don't know. I was expecting a little more depth in his speech of why he got naked. Got naked. And I couldn't honestly tell if Tayshia was touched by whatever he said

or she was just like, he's so fucking hot. I can't wait to, like, be in a little. You know what I'm saying? Like, she's clearly attracted to him. hot i can't wait to like being a you know what i'm saying like she's clearly attracted to him and it was just like it was hard to tell yeah if it was like awkward or all right you know as i'm sure you've heard like the difference between like hot and creepy is this whether the other person receiving the you know is into it or not right yeah and tasha's into ben so like yeah i think she's like great you're naked i'm i'm into this yeah i i think she was into it i think you know the

vulnerability that he'd been lacking came across to tasha and i think she was into it dude did it change your wife's perception of ben's approach after hearing ben's story about struggling with bulimia and having an eating disorder see that i yeah i think i don't know if she really like cared on admit but i but i but i totally see i totally see that like you're like it makes me more of a metaphor like if he had bulimia clearly clearly he had body image issues, right? Exactly. And here he is being vulnerable, taking his clothes off. You could look like Ben and still see a different person in the mirror.

That's possible. Dude, and I think he could have thrown that in there. This is something that I've struggled with for years of my life. This is me being, you know what I mean? Like he could have thrown that in there, maybe a little speech in front of Tayshia. So you think had he admitted his eating disorder naked in front of the guys with Tayshia, that would have been a bomb. You know what I mean? Yeah, I mean, that would have been.

have been a bomb you know what i mean like yeah i mean that would have been that it's been not in like i struggled with bulimia for a decade but like just some sort of little nugget yeah of of something a little deeper but i mean i still i still got to give the man credit for dropping everything in front of all those dudes in america yeah and you know maybe it's just about the per ben whether it's who he is and i think it is or like just the edit he's getting he just doesn't seem like a douchey guy at all right like i was just about to say that had spencer done that had noah done that had maybe any any other guy done that you would have been like okay but ben ben definitely has this you know very sincere side to him that he's he's earnest and he's open about talking about he's not good at being open and so it it didn't i mean it was like it raised some eyebrows

but it definitely didn't scream douchey. It was just like 100%. It was like maybe like a small red flag. Are we seeing something about Ben we're not seeing? But then we find out about the eating disorder, which I got to say, I was of all the of all the stories we hear on one on one dates. of all the stories we hear on, on one-on-one dates and, and,

you know, as we've, as I'm sure, like, you know, you being a fan, it's, it's become almost, you know,

in some ways a joke that people come in with their sad stories. Some are more sad than others, right? Some are some real heartbreaking stories that really endear us to the, to people. And some of them are like, eh, I got cheated on once,

you know, like, okay. But, you know, for a show that has, for a show that, you know, has 30, 25, 30 new women and we always hear about eating disorders, eating disorders are a really prevalent thing in our society that we don't talk about a lot.

And yet, of all the sad stories, I don't remember men or women really talking about that sure and i think that's i was uh it was kind of fascinating you know right and uh hopefully an awareness sort of way i think it was really powerful to have a guy to talk about it right because i think that's a huge misconception that only women struggle with eating disorders it's probably more prevalent with women i don't have any data to back that up but that's my guess but it doesn't mean it doesn't happen with men and uh i give ben a lot of a lot of credit to to talk about that i mean it's like back to back like heavy admissions of their stories between zach and ben just being like no no no no i'm like here i'm gonna be real fucking honest with you

about something that i you know like a lot of these stories like when i was on the show i remember talking about how i was cheated on or something you know or no i mean i did it wasn't or something but like i don't know i wasn't that worried of feeling judged or whatever these are like honest stories between zach and ben where it's just like you're really putting yourself out there the stuff that they're talking about bro is like their deep personal like darknesses whatever yeah whatever you want to call it it's like they're you know they're i don't know that feels super vulnerable to me dude especially eating disorders like you said typically you know women are the one who talk about that but it's like a dude with an eating disorder opening up and yeah i mean shout out to them bro yeah i give i've given i

give ben a lot of credit for that because uh yeah it was it was his sister like literally only his sister knew it was his sister okay yeah and now america the world. But yeah, I mean, I thought about this last night when I was watching it. We're just like, we haven't... Of all the things this show has brought awareness to, you would think an eating disorder would be more commonly talked about as someone's sad story, but it just hasn't. And props to Ben for bringing some awareness to it and especially the fact that men can struggle with it too. Yeah, for sure.

And yeah, it was really heavy and I really enjoyed that conversation. But also props to him. He still looks good, man. As far as he's in peak physical condition so i don't i don't i don't know yeah wild times yeah um any any so wait yeah so then we so yeah that's the oh and then we get into the noah that's when the noah where do you land on bennett and noah oh dude well we already talked about

i already talked about easy but dude i think this little bennett uh noah like sit down and then there's one rose situation love it like from a tv standpoint yes amazing this needs to be this needs to be on every season like when there's this this teenage drama a b in the room one rose the you know contestant comes and sits down talks it out and somebody goes home somebody stays i freaking love this whole concept dude i love it do you uh before we we break that down what what are your general thoughts on bennett and noah as individuals and are you picking a side or do you just like the drama overall no dude i i i can't say i'm a Bennett fan, dude. He's just like, I don't know. I think he does talk down to people. He uses his wit and his big words to make people feel just tiny.

And, you know, that's a trigger for me. Like verbal manipulation is like not cool with me. And so like when you, just when you use big words and try to talk over people. So definitely not a fan of that. But also, I don't know. I haven't – I don't think – I think – What do you think of Noah? Noah got a lot of heat last episode for like being the villain.

Right. What did you think about that? And speaking up for the house doesn't really come – that doesn't cut it for anybody, especially this episode. They've already smashed a couple dudes for saying that. Yeah, I don't know why anyone says that. Right, yeah. And so I think, well, first of all, he's 25,

and I've got to put myself in being 25 and on this show. I probably would have done dumb shit too. And, you know, gotten super emotional regarding what, you know, this whole, this whole beef.

But, um, I don't know, dude, I, I, I'm not, I think he's super young,

obviously a little immature to go to Tasha and tattletale on the whole house being fed up with Bennett or whatever. So send them both home, dude. I don't care. I'm more Team Noah. Okay. Yeah. I'm not saying Noah is innocent or above any criticism. But the tattling, you know, I'm here to tell you that it's not entirely

noah's fault it may not even be his idea and that's how we're seeing it um and even still like noah's been put in a corner this is a classic this is like old school bachelor bachelorette of like you know we talk about right reasons nothing make you know like i agree with you about the talking down the condescension but actually nothing makes me more frustrated especially in that world where people start speaking for the lead it's like they'll never be with you it's like you know i don't know if taisha is going to be with well i mean i i i can confidently say and i think you would know if taisha is going to be with well i mean i i i can confidently say and i think you would agree that taisha's not gonna end with any of these guys but she has a

much better chance of ending up with noah than bennett i i yeah i would choose i would choose noah over bennett for actually ending up with taisha noah has all of noah's actions seem to be focused on taisha they might be misguided they might not be the best approach but they seem to be focused on Tasha. They might be misguided. They might not be the best approach, but they seem to be about Tasha. Where Bennett, even though he's accusing Noah of talking about other guys, I don't know what Bennett has ever done

to make me think that he's there for Tasha. Bro, exactly. He talks about every time I get with Tasha, it's 100% me and her. I don't talk about anybody else. And I'm like bro in your freaking art presentation you were just like dogging Noah with you know like whatever he was talking about his little puzzle was that I don't know he was he was just literally like looked over

at Noah and acknowledged during his art presentation that he's supposed to be pouring his heart out to Taysha. Yeah, totally. I really liked Bennett when the season started. I thought Bennett was aware. Bennett talked a lot about self-awareness this episode on emotional intelligence. And you probably didn't listen to my episode last week, but my big premise on bennett was i like bennett if bennett is self-aware enough to realize that he is a dork like he's a nerd and i say that liking dorks and liking nerds but like if bennett knows that like if this whole i went to harvard and i live this

kind of like fancy life is kind of a joke because he's leaning into the corniness that is thinking that you're special because you come then it's funny you know but i'm realizing that this might be who bennett is like bennett actually thinks he's pierce brosnan and not like just kind of generally an awkward guy who just happens to be tall and have good bone structure but it's just a real fucking dork with a lot of insecurities underneath i was about to say dude it just each the further this goes on just little insecurities start popping out and like dude noah's got the swag that he bennett will never have yeah and i think yes bennett his his one two three four emotional intelligence breakdown was basically like just dogging to put himself above noah's like natural swag i guess i i think

it's a that's totally you're absolutely right noah has a natural swag to him he has a confidence uh joe from this season was on our podcast last week and talked like noah is a traveling nurse who before he went on the show was on the front lines of fighting covid he has 10 brothers and sisters noah is not intimidated by like something as petty as a bunch of guys on a reality tv show going after one girl and it's a very intimidating world but i'm like noah he's just like whatever this is silly i've like yeah i'm fighting covid i'm a nurse i'm dealing with literal life and death oh by the way i grew up in a household where like i i wasn't told i was special by my mom and dad because there were two of us you know like i had to fight for

cereal i say this having 10 brothers and serious sisters that like you know every morning was like do i get the lucky charms are they going to be gone by the time i wake up you know and it's a doggy dog world and a family of 11 siblings so like i empathize with noah and it's just like he's just not like he just there's a p pettiness in this world that Noah's gotten unfortunately sucked into because like where I feel bad for Noah is that he's not being petty. He might be aggressive. He might be sometimes you could argue and consider the other guys. He might be misguided, but he isn't petty. He's just being called out for doing something the other guys he might be misguided but he he isn't petty he's just being

called out for doing something the other guys think he should just not do because he's not of the og crew he's not getting in line with like here's how we do things in this world before you showed up and bennett is being petty and like no one just has to respond to it. Like, I'm 100% team Noah when it comes to this. Okay. Dude, you just broke that down in a real way. I love that, dude. I didn't know he had that many siblings, which makes 100% sense of, like, him when he came back from that.

He's like, dude, I said it. All these dudes are a bunch of wieners. I think he literally said wieners. And I'm like dude okay that makes so much more sense now of like just not even dealing with any of the pettiness bullcrap he's just like all stupid and he's just like this is dumb you know like cheers to that breakdown yeah and noah you're right he has a swag that like some people have and some people don't. And Bennett doesn't have any swag. And that's fine.

There's nothing wrong with that. Because if you don't have swag, all you have to do is be aware that you don't have swag. And you can have, like Ivan. I mean, Ivan has swag. But Ivan doesn't have the swag that Noah has. Ivan's swag comes from having, you know, being like the nerdy chess player and being very you know has ivan so self-aware right ivan knows who he is and he's also young and he knows his strengths and weaknesses and he's fine with acknowledging those both and that's what gives

him his swag you know like where noah's swag just comes from this like general like swag i don't know what it is but some guys is like i fuck this guy nothing like you know and and it's driving bennett nuts yeah did at it exactly and then he just tries to flex his his book knowledge one two three four to put himself back above it and he's just i think he's crashing and burning, dude. I think Bennett goes home. Yeah. I mean, they definitely, I totally agree. Last night, I put the odds on my top three scenarios to open up, obviously, next episode because we're left with the cliffhanger, is Noah stays, Bennett goes home.

They both go home. And option three is that Bennett stays and Noah goes home. they both go home and option three is that bennett stays and noah goes home i think because like we forget like noah noah has a connection with taisha like i don't we're we're dismissing this because we're told that he's 25 but taisha likes him yeah you know i don't know if it's as much as she likes ben or zach or some of those guys. But Tayshia likes Noah. And she doesn't even know Bennett's there. I mean, she knows Bennett's there. But he is, as far as Tayshia is concerned, from what I can tell,

he's just part of the TV show. Yeah. Yeah. And I think the little nugget that they left us with when it was like, what's this present? And it was like, to be continued. It was like to be continued it was like dude noah's just about to i think he's gonna use that he's gonna like bennett's gonna try to explain it in his smart nerdy way and then noah's just gonna be like look he did this to belittle me he's you know blah blah blah blah blah well if if noah's smart he doesn't say anything true because the present speaks for

itself yeah like that's no that's very true noah's biggest mistake that he makes is he's like and i get it i get where noah's coming from he's trying to like share his perspective his truth right like well let me explain but like it's obvious what's going on, right? Even when you pointed out, right, like Bennett was making remarks, Tayshia noticed, right? Like Noah said something about him being privileged and Bennett took offense to the criticism of Noah suggesting that he was privileged

while Bennett is constantly acting like he's privileged. And whether Bennett is privileged or not we don't really know which is behind Bennett's point but like if you don't want to be called something don't act like you are yeah I don't you know totally I don't like yeah I don't know yeah I I yeah absolutely and when Tayshia sits down with him, dude, they gave you just like a quick, just a little taste of Bennett crashing and burning. And I think that's just going to keep spiraling and spiraling in the next episode, dude.

Yeah, it was kind of funny because hearing Tayshia say, what's in that box? Clearly, she said that at another time because you didn't see her mouth moving it was like a there she must she must have asked for it but like you know i'm just wondering why they felt the need to have tasha say it and we're what's in that box like tasha definitely did not say that in the moment because like they panned out of the box and it was like it sounded like a right dubbed voice or whatever but um yeah me my guess is it'll open up and you're right from the best tv moment it will be

noah just is like i mean it's a gift that bennett gave me and then taste will be like oh like what maybe maybe you guys resolved it and then bennett will be like, oh, like, maybe you guys resolved it. And then Bennett will be like, well, let me explain what's in the box. And he will earnestly be this asshole. Right. Oh, back to like some odes to my season. Like emotional intelligence was like such a hot topic between Taylor and Corinne on my season.

intelligence was like such a hot topic between taylor and corinne on my season and if you guys don't remember anytime someone tries to call out someone else for being emotionally intelligent in the bachelor world only sounds like an asshole yes like and and bennett talked about self-awareness like i don't think bennett's self-aware at all i mean no like i think bennett called himself out all the things that he is accusing of noah it seems more obvious that noah that bennett's lacking and deficient in those categories yeah just because he's aware of those four steps of of emotional awareness he's aware of the four steps but i don't think he is aware emotionally you know what i mean like he knows he knows what one two three and four is and i if i'm going to try to give bennett credit he's just like he calmly and politely tells taisha that he disagrees with his assessment with her assessment

that uh bennett's point of view is kind of diminishes taisha's credibility you know how she's just like well you're kind of undermining my decision and bennett's like well i don't see it that way i believe like i believe that bennett believes that like he's not it's one of those like listen i don't yeah i'm not trying to be a dick you're like congratulations you're not trying to be a dick you just naturally are so you just can't help it great you can't help it but thanks for not trying and that dude that was the start of the downfall before they hit to be continued like she you could see it in her face she was like excuse me you know what i mean like she she flipped a switch and that that was like the first like uh-oh ben it going home. Yeah. I mean, it's a,

it, my guess is from Tasha's standpoint is that you can tell that Bennett's generally liked by the guys in the house. Right. And, and you can tell that the guys are kind of team Bennett. Like you could even tell going into the drama that you've got some, some like Spencer talked about some other guys.

You can tell they kind of like bennett better now part of it is like we just go to this whole thing where because of this way the season is these guys know bennett they're friends with bennett noah's the new guy he's the outsider who came in hot and so they just for no reason no real reason they generally like are put off by noah and you know what you know what bennett isn't to these other guys a threat you know because these guys don't he's not a threat they don't look at bennett and they don't see bennett as a threat to taisha at all so they're just like you know what bennett you go be bennett you act however as you act and they think it's funny but noah they might not think he's gonna end up with taisha but he's a threat like he's going to end up with Tayshia, but he's a threat. Like, he's going for it.

His focus is on Tayshia. Yeah. And that's a threat to those guys. Yeah. And those are the facts. And so those guys – and so what I'm saying is, like, Tayshia definitely senses that Bennett's more popular than the house. And this show every season kind of tells you you know so often and not always correctly

that like if they're not popular with the group that's a red flag you know like they have to be in the in crowd if they're not popular then there's a reason why you need to look into that and that's definitely not the case because it's sometimes the house turns on someone for no reason other than like they're the new guy. They're the outsider. They're a threat. And they're just not getting in line. And the fact that he doesn't give a crap and just jumps right in there, like, hops a fence on that group date, you know, and then eventually, like, steals the night with her, dude.

Like, that was a ballsy move. And, like you said like this is how we do things on the show these are the steps and he was like screw it jumped the fence got the date and like hung out with her the rest of the night like shout out to him bro you you've you've just changed my mind on noah like knowing that he has all these siblings means that you don't give a crap like my wife has five older brothers she she's not afraid of dudes she's not afraid of like big groups crowds anything dude she'll walk up she'll walk straight up to ceo of any whatever and like boom just like win him over immediately yeah you know

what i mean and that's that's the swag that you can't learn at harvard like he straight up just has it yeah i i totally agree and and noah's getting a bad and i don't i don't like to say but noah's getting a unfair edit because you know people i've said this to me noah's getting a very similar edit that i had on andy and a little bit of caitlin season right if you break down their individual actions they're not really doing anything like in life that's a crime they might right their soundtrack is a little menacing you know they're not getting the bends you know always romantic always endearing music behind all of his actions but like you look at what he's actually doing he's doing nothing wrong he's actually just focused on the girl right and

yeah he's and you're responding to how popular or unpopular he's seeming in the house but he's not doing anything wrong yeah and uh yeah so it's um i'm 100 team noah in this situation uh because more than he's as much there for tasha as i can tell as any of the other guys um and he's just like what what else would you do if people are constantly like just talking shit about you i mean that house having been in that world you it's it's petty they they want to make you feel like an outsider the other people and they it's it's it's petty. They want to make you feel like an outsider to the other people. And it's clicky. And as a 25-year-old, I think Noah's doing the best he can with that situation. I'm definitely a Noah's dad, and I'm here to defend him.

Sold me on him, dude. Sold me on him. Straight up. So last but not least, obviously, the easy one-on-one. I mean, it is what it is. Obviously, a very likable guy in the season. I think we all enjoyed him. Charming.

He was a good narrator. He seemed lovable. But, I mean, I saw it the whole time. And part of it is because, you know, just kind of like for other people who like breaking down the show you had too many like good dates to be honest it's time for time for a bad one so you had a you had the zach good day you had a ben had a great moment ben's moment even though it was on a group date it was a very kind of one-on-one moment right and sometimes they'll do that uh and kind of throw you off but like can you remember a time where easy and tasia really had a moment no dude that's the thing is like i was thinking back to like brendan's date i think that was the previous episode and like

you know they were riding the horses and kept getting interrupted by chris harrison kept getting interrupted you know he was talking about that and like but easy so this is what i'm saying is like easy they're in a haunted house like how are you going to connect yeah in any way when you're just like freaking out and like running to and fro around this haunted property there's no i mean i think first of all they were he set up for failure oh yeah i mean it's and this is bad as good as the group date was and i give the producers like all the credit like that was brilliant and and and the the haunted house was just equally as bad now granted again they're what are they going to do they're stuck but like it wasn't even a haunted house right they're at

the la quinta it wasn't like when they're you know they didn't go to like rome and like you know they met with the tourist board like hey by the way there's this like ancient haunted house it's like world famous and like you should have a date there and they're like oh great whether you believe in ghosts or not it's just known as a haunted house no this is like an empty room they just like put a filter on okay so but i mean what i'm saying about brendan is like he kept getting interrupted like there wasn't he was talking about how it kept getting interrupted but dude he brought it home at the end of the date yeah you know he became like he won her over at the end of the date but then easy dude just went from haha laughy haunted house to like, I love you.

As soon as Easy said, I'm falling in love with you, with absolutely no grounds behind it, I was watching with my friend, and I bet her, I'm like, this guy's going home. And she's like, no way. And because she hasn't been watching, Easy came on, thought he was really attractive oh like this guy's easy stud he was funny he's charming what's not to like and i'm like nah

going home and then as soon as he said i'm falling in love with you i was like now i'm positive because like yeah you're what you're in love with them based on what and that that's like that was a kid like because that gives tashia an opportunity to say, well, you're there. I'm not there yet. And hearing you say that re-informed me that I need to let you go. It was classic.

I think he's got swag. He obviously good-looking dude, hilarious, life-of-the- the party kind of dude but just a little like lack of i don't know whatever emotional intelligence i don't know but like of just of just cues of like hey maybe we haven't spent that much time together ease into the to the lovey stuff and get to know each other and it was just like bam easy made the mistake of wanting i don't fault them but again if we're breaking this down like right reasons and stuff like that i think we're in agreement i don't know easy i've never met the guy seems like an all

right guy right and he's probably not a desperate guy he probably has no not a hard time like with the ladies so to speak and it's probably just as nuts to him to say to taisha i think i'm falling in love with you with absolutely no reason that he should be yeah easy said it anyways because you know what he wanted he wanted not to go. And he said it for the show. And he didn't mean it. And I guarantee you EZ is going back to all his friends right now. He'll be like, oh, bro. It was like for the show.

And that's fine if he said that. I don't have a problem. But again, we go back to like right reasons and sincerity. And no one's criticizing EZ for saying something he didn't mean. Okay, so you don't think he meant it? No. Okay. Not at all.

Do you? No. I mean, I would just, if he did, I would totally stand up and see his side. And, you know, his limited time. He didn't get any time to say that in the haunted house to express his feelings as you would on a normal date. So it's just like, I had my shot. I took my shot and just got straight blocked. So do you think he meant it or you think he might have meant it?

I mean, dude, I saw he was definitely shedding a couple tears in the limo home. Yeah, but that's just mean he's sad that he's going home. Yeah. But, I mean, I don't know. I could be wrong. I could be wrong. And I might be wrong. In the limo home, he looked devastated. if he did main it i could i could see i could see his side and defend his just going all in with

you know that half hour however long the dinners last going so hard in the paint that it's like hey shoot my shot got blocked all right well going all right so let me ask you russell what do you think it's more likely so easy's episode comes on he's watching it with his family or buddies or whatever and somebody's like texting him bro did you really love her like really you were falling in love you think he responded with yeah man i really was or is this like nah man i was like for show and i just know it tastes just fine though yeah i'm i can't prove it and i don't know if easy would ever admit it but i'm gonna go ahead and say that if there was a way to prove it i would bet everything i had that it was the latter

okay all right i don't know bro if you see his face in the limo he's devastated and i you know i don't think he's that devastated of just not getting to hang with the bros at the house anymore you know like there's some there's some real tears there i i don't know i could i could see him actually falling bro without giving too much away i don't know if tears in the limo are is okay this is uh i mean he who knows why he's crying um but uh it's entirely possible it's impossible i don't totally buy it and i and i say that liking easy saying there was no like in it if if there was a reason he was falling for tasha we didn't get to see it and in a in a show that's about love you would think they would have aired that right sure

and i don't think easy is delusional i don't think he's desperate i don't think he's you know i don't think he's love bombing a bunch of women in his life, just throwing out the L word. Right. And so the only other explanation is he just kind of did it because he felt like that's what he was supposed to say on that date and it burned him and he felt a little dumb. And then maybe he is crying because he's thinking about, which does happen, like, fuck, what did I just say?

And I remember to go home and like oh my god it's gonna be on tv and like maybe that's why he's crying i don't know i don't know why he was crying but i don't necessarily think tears mean you're sincere about what you claim to be sincere about because you can be crying about a bunch of different reasons yeah you never really know but dude i i see that too bro i mean i see i i would love i would love to talk sucked into the tv magic i you know what and i love that um you know and that's fine but it's just one of those things where i only bring it up because we just have a way of like like you said, tears attributing to sincerity, right?

And think about it in life, how often we express ourselves differently. We talk about love languages and some people like emote, you know, differently. Sometimes it's tears. Sometimes it's through the written word. Sometimes it's through song, you know? And so a bunch of different ways we can do it and uh yeah it's just kind of funny how we we we perceive certain things so yeah i don't know that's yeah dude um russell this has been a ton of fun heck yeah bro breaking down for me uh let

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