The Viall Files - E209 Drama, Masturbation, & Entourage With Kevin Dillon & Doug Ellin

Episode Date: December 9, 2020

If you have ever wanted to get your boyfriend to listen to The Viall Files this is the one to get them hooked on as our guests Kevin Dillon & Doug Ellin talk all things Entourage and Victory The Podcast. They talk relationships on the show and how they would have handled things in their real lives, how the dating scenarios in the show came from real life scenarios, behind the scenes of the show, and what the show would look like now if it was made in 2020. It’s a fun episode recapping a show that gave all us women a look into the understanding of what boys do when they are with their boyz! “I wanted that feeling of Hollywood that it is a struggle.“ Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes.  THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Plenty of Fish: Find the full list of 2021 Dating Trends on Plenty of Fish’s blog, The Latest Catch (blog.pof.com) and download Plenty of Fish from the App Store or Google Play to sign up for a free membership today. Masterclass: http://www.masterclass.com/VIALL get one membership to MasterClass and one for someone else for free.  Axon:http://www.taser.com use promo code VIALL for 15% off  Manscaped: http://www.manscaped.com use promo code VIALL to get 20% off + free shipping.   Each and Every: http://www.eachandevery.com/viall use promo code VIALL to get 30% off.  Episode Socials:  @viallfiles @nickviall @victorythepodcast @kevindillonofficial @mrdougellin See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I am Nick, your host, joined by my producer Chrissy, who is snuggled up in Montana. How was the drive, Chrissy? The drive was actually incredible because the states I went through were so beautiful. Utah, Nevada, Idaho. It was so beautiful. It was long, but it was pretty. It's cold. What's the temperature there? 18 degrees. Is it 18 wow 18 with like a wind chill of two sweet but it's fine the first thing i bought was ice melt when's the last time you bought ice melt what does ice melt ice melt is like the the container that has like the salt and like the kidney litter in it that you put down so it melts the snow and the ice on the stairs. Nice. You guys don't buy that at some point in Milwaukee.

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we have a great episode for you today uh kevin dylan and doug ellen join us doug the creator of entourage kevin uh one of the actors who plays johnny drama who is my favorite character on the show they have a new podcast called victory where they talk about uh obviously the behind the scenes and their experience filming entourage and uh they were kind enough to come on and talk about that podcast some stories about entourage it's a uh i was a big fan of am a big fan of uh i'm sure a lot of people listening have talked it out and just kind of talking about writing it and the behind the scenes and just some little man chat that we get into. Yeah.

Victory the podcast too. They also talk about like all their, they said all their Hollywood stuff. So it's not just about entourage, but all they're also behind the scenes stuff, which is kind of cool and fun. For sure. And we weirdly talk about guys masturbating.

So that's fun. So enjoy that. That took a turn. That took a turn for a second there. Well, I saw girls masturbating. I saw it as an opportunity to bring some awareness to something that's regularly shamed for no reason. Masturbation is okay, people.

It's fine. On both sides of the aisle. Yes. It's good for everyone everyone should we get to it let's do it let's do it well guys thanks for coming on

thank you for having us it's this is a ton of fun for me because and I'm sure

you guys get this a lot with some of the interviews you guys have been doing but you know I've been a fan of Entourage for a while since it's since it's come out and um so it's fun to talk to you guys and i know

you guys have a lot of things going on especially with your new podcast the victory podcast so uh thanks for joining yeah absolutely glad to be here i mean we wish we could be there in person but now that we're all locked down again yeah Yeah. What are you going to do? So, yeah, I mean, it's just, I have so many kind of fun questions just, you know, being a fan. But, you know, in terms of like the podcast, what made you guys start doing the Victory Podcast? And was it just kind of seeing things in the podcast space and thought, you know, this is such a missed opportunity if we don't kind of go to the behind the scenes, because I'm assuming people have so

many questions. Kev, you want to go or me? You go ahead, Doug. So I'm pretty sure Kevin probably didn't even know what a podcast was six months ago. For me, to be honest with you, like since I was a kid, I wanted to do a radio show. And people have said to me to do a podcast for the last five years. But I'm like, A, what am I going to talk about? B, how are you going to differentiate from all of the other podcasts? So Kevin Connolly came up with this. He has a podcast company.

And he said, you know, what do you think about doing one where, you know, we talk about the show and stuff? And what really sold me, to be honest, is he said, Dylan will do it. And I'm like, if Dylan does it, I'll definitely do it. And then, to me, it was, I wanted to talk about more than just Entourage. I wanted it to be about our careers, about our lives, and all of that stuff.

And it's been just, I mean, honestly, it's been awesome and fun and surprisingly stuff. And it's been just, I mean, honestly, it's been awesome and fun and surprisingly easy. So that's been cool. Yeah. The way it came to me was me and Kevin Connolly, where he has a little bar, I think it's on Melrose or 3rd. 3rd Street.

I've been there. I've watched the game there. Yeah, it's a nice spot. It's a good spot. We had a couple drinks, and he was telling me about this podcast company that he's going to be doing. And he's like, hey, I know you have a lot of – I have a lot of hobbies, you know, pinball machines.

I love pinball machines. I love cars. You know, I'm into space. I'll talk about space forever. And he's like, I want you to do a podcast. Think about all these different – you know, you have so many hobbies. Think about doing a podcast about one of them. And I i said i don't know if i'm just good enough i don't know anything would work other than entourage really that i could talk about but the pinball

podcast space is already taken yeah but by the way this is exactly like why i wanted kevin kevin is and everybody you know which makes me sad because all the comments I keep getting about the podcast are like, Kevin Dillon seems like the greatest guy ever. I just want to hang out with him. And the truth is, he is. You can't fight public opinion. You can't fight it. I'm using it. I use it to my own benefit, but Kevin,

he does. He is so old school, and it's why I say podcasts and phones, like the fact that he's even on a Zoom is shocking to him. Like, there's no way this is gonna work. But he's really such a... I'm doing it from my phone. I can move it around. I got...

See the T-Rex behind the Allosaurus skull? That's from the show. And, you know, so it was just a fun chance. And Kevin, Kevin, Kevin and I were such close friends from the start of the show, and Jerry as well, who's come on, the show and Jerry as well who's come on and Manuel and everybody so it's just been it's been a lot of fun you know

yeah absolutely and it's fun going back down memory lane for me like I like you know it's when I first started watching it I was just some kid in Milwaukee right and it's been fun watching it back now now having lived in LA for four

years, not realizing it's like, Oh, I've been to earth cafe a million times, never realizing what it was at the moment. And like, it's almost this very scenic view of LA and then, you know, experience of that I've had in the past four years and kind of relating it to the, some of the things that you guys talk about on the show, it's been very meta for me and that's been real fun. Um, but it, it, it's been so fun to just kind of go back and check it out when you started the show. I know people have talked about like, and I've heard this rumor too, like it was based off of Mark Wahlberg's life, but it's really more, you know, based off of your friendships that you had Doug growing up and then kind of loosely based off of Mark's career. Is that, is that accurate? Yeah. I mean, how it started is Mark brought it to me, which was

kind of a loose idea, just a movie star and his friends, and Mark had this crew. So, Mark, from the beginning, was awesome, and for whatever reason, trusting me that I would not make him look silly. And I said, I need to move it to New York and kind of use elements of your life, but also use the stuff that I know. So it was a mishmash of things like that, which, you know, the amount of stories I used for my own life were obviously pretty prevalent. But Mark was just the overall influence of the idea of the success that he had and of the career he had. But even once we cast Adrian, because we really we looked for a Mark Wahlberg type of guy, which the reason Mark is a movie star is there really aren't a lot of him. And Adrian was a very

different character than Mark, which I think ultimately worked for the show. But, you know, we leaned into all of that. And then when I got these guys, you know, Dylan, you know, it's, he embodies so much of Johnny Drama's character while being so actually different in real life that all of the actors kind of did in certain ways. So, you know, and we all became good friends. So we used a lot of elements of their lives and experiences and all of that. Yeah, for sure. I was curious about that because, like, you know and we all became good friends so we used a lot of elements of their lives and experiences and all of that yeah for sure i was curious about that because like you know i want you know watching the show and just talking to kevin a little bit like do you get that a lot

kevin in terms of like how much are you like this character on the show as someone who you know is known for being on reality tv it's kind of a weird thing because Entourage obviously is a, it's a scripted show, but this, the way you, I don't know if you did this deliberately, but it has a very, a very real feeling to it, right? Like it could be like almost like a documentary rather than a TV show. And that's why it almost feels like you're really getting to know these people. So how was it for you when, you know, when the show was airing Kevin and, and people assuming that you were Johnny drama, like was for you when you know when the show was airing kevin and and people assuming that you were johnny drama like was someone like you know who goes on reality tv and be like well i know everything about you because i watched you for 10 minutes on a show or

or something did you like that what was different and and i did get that i got that all the time people yeah people uh you know because i have a, Matt, I have a famous brother and they, they thought that that was, there was some kind of comparison like that. They hired me on purpose for that reason. And I don't know whether you did or not, Doug, in either way, I don't care. But yeah, so you have those similarities there and you know, every actor brings a lot of himself into each role. You know, I definitely have a lot of differences than Johnny Drama.

He's a lot crazier than I. I mean, Johnny Drama's absolutely nuts. I love the guy. But he's crazy. You know, from the beginning, though, when we started, it was important. We wanted it to feel as real as possible. And one of the best things from the first season, especially because a lot of people didn't know Adrian, people were like, is this Vincent Chase guy a real guy? So in the first

season, we really felt that. But as far as Kevin Dillon, I grew up watching Kevin Dillon movies. It's so funny. I was at Prince Street Pizza yesterday. It's a great new pizza place in LA. I went there the other day. Yes, thank you. It's amazing. You know, and Debbie Rosiello was a friend of mine since kindergarten whose name was used on the show. So her cousin, him and his father are the owners of Prince Street Pizza. But they were talking about the show yesterday that when it started, they really thought it was real. But he was talking about Heaven Help Us,

which is a movie I grew up on that Kevin was in 35 years ago. So Kevin, from Platoon to The Doors, was a guy that, like, he was living the life of a successful working actor when I was dreaming about doing this business. So I remember the day before Kevin came in, I actually know Kevin's ex-girlfriend who said, Kevin Dillon is coming in to read for you tomorrow. Now, just as Hollywood is, you know, your first reaction is

like, oh, the guy from the Doors, Platoon, blah, blah, blah, Matt's brother. He walked in, and in one second, I saw this comedy gold that, you know, he'd done and haven't helped us, but people had kind of underutilized for the last 15 years. And I turned to, I remember that day, I turned to Wahlberg, and I was like, this is the best thing you know, he'd done in Heaven Help Us, but people had kind of underutilized for the last 15 years. And I turned to, I remember that day,

I turned to Wahlberg and I was like, this guy's gonna win an Emmy for this. I guarantee it, if we get this show on the air. So- Sorry to let you down, Doug. Sorry to let you down. Lost three to Jeremy. Jeremy won three and Kevin-

He stole, yeah, he took three out of my hands. But you know, it was just, it was the perfect blend. And Kevin is so great in the spirit of it. Because a lot of actors don't want to be associated with one character. Kevin doesn't mind when people say, you are Johnny Drama. But he's not. He's in Platoon.

He's with Ducky. Was that his name? You know? Bunny. Bunny. Bunny. And in The Doors. He's, you know, I mean, it's just.

John Densmore. Yeah, it's a remarkable career that Kevin has had. Hey, Doug, do you remember what I wore to the audition? Yeah, like golf spikes as I remember. I had a tee time right after the audition. Oh, you know shit. So I showed up in like shorts. I had spikes on.

I was wearing my golf spikes. I had a Titleist hat. I was all dressed up like a golfer i did not have the right look but you know but it wasn't i mean i don't know what doug thinks but when you say that i mean it almost sounds like that sounds like something johnny drama would do like his kind of earnest approach like i got a tea time and like johnny drama would address the part he would go over the top in the other direction you You know, he would... And he's playing a cowboy. He would show up with a cowboy hat, you know?

Yeah, you're probably right. Nick, I agree with you, though. It's just like everything about him really was... Sometimes you feel this, and I don't... I'm not dismissing any of my other actors, because they were all so awesome. But Dylan was the one that came in that I was like, I can't believe we got this lucky, because I swear to you, we saw a thousand people for this part.

And there was not even a potential runner up for this. There really wasn't. So, you know, you guys, when I came in to audition, it was all the scene had all four guys in it. And my character didn't have that much to say. I had like two lines. And I was like, I called my manager. I said, I can't impress with this. Can you have them make it two guys and give me all the other lines?

So I took all three characters' lines, which had a lot of funny lines in there. And Doug kind of rewrote it for me. So I was able to, you know to show what I can do better. Right, Doug? I mean, you wrote it up for me, and I was able to get a lot of laughs that way. But a classic Kevin Dillon, Johnny Drama moment is, what you have to do is, you know,

I had never made a TV show. HBO, Chris Albrecht, who made this all happen, at the end of the day, you have to walk in and impress him. As much as I'm the boss, I'm not the boss. They decide. So you have to bring in choices, even if you're like, this is your guy. But I actually refused to bring in a second option for his role.

So all the other guys were there, and there were other choices. And Dylan, who's just like drama he brings in all that intensity and neuroses he didn't realize he's the only drama so while the other guys have no idea no one guys are freaking out that they may lose it to some other guy dylan's like all right and we're like there is no one else you're in you know so at one stage we're at the screen you know you got to do a screen test. And I'm sitting next to Kevin Connolly, who I'd gotten to know through these auditions a little bit. And I'm looking around the room.

There's maybe 70 people in that room. And I got to think maybe there's 10 dramas in here right now. And I'm talking to Kevin Connolly. He goes, no, no, no, you're the only guy. So it was after, you know, after I had done a couple of scenes. And so I was able to kind of relax a little bit after that point. I was like, all right, that's cool. No competition.

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watching it back recently, Johnny Drama's my favorite character on the show. Because to me, it's the most honest character when I watch it. And I don't know if it's because having moved out here, I've done acting and I've been in la

just doing the hustle and all those things but like when you talk about like the neuroses and this the way you you show that to me like yeah is it heightened is it like great but it's it seems to be the most honest interpretation of like all the things that people who move out to la think and experience and like johnny dramas just kind of always thinking out loud. And to me, it's just fun and relatable to watch. And to me, it just seemed the most... It seemed... All great performances,

but it was such an honest interpretation. I love watching it. Thank you. I really appreciate it. Compliment to both me and Doug, who wrote so many great things. Yeah, but whatever. I don't even need the compliment

because the thing is, it really... No, but I don't. Because Dylan compliment because the thing is, it really, no, but I don't because Dylan, and I've said this to him before, you know, there are lines when I write and I go, I hope, am I allowed to curse on this show or not? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. There are lines I write and I go, God, I hope an actor doesn't fuck this up

because I really just, this just works on the page. And Dylan, and I've talked about it on, on our podcast, but there was one line in the pilot, which was just, you see any parts in there for me, bro, which is just him asking his older movie star brother, whether there's a part.

And honestly, I wrote it as just like kind of a throwaway little funny line. And the day Dylan did it on the set, the HBO executive was next to me and you felt exactly what I wanted the whole show to feel like it's that feeling of Hollywood that it is a struggle it's not the Vince story it's the story of that we all go through and Dylan when he said you see any parts in there for me bro which is not much of a written line, it was heartbreaking because you knew this poor guy, he's got his little brother

who's got all the success in the world. He's fighting, he's making a breakfast. And the HBO executive said, you know, this guy has just got it. And it, you know, again, it's never to dismiss. My five actors, and we had a lot more on the show. Every one of them was absolutely perfect for this. But Dylan brought the heart and soul of, like, the struggle that we all know.

Because, you know, one of the issues I had when we started the show, when Mark brought it to me, I was like, well, Mark, no offense, but you've never struggled. You were in your underwear. Like what? You were in a Calvin Klein underwear ad at 17. You had a hit song at whatever his age was. And your movie career has just been pretty awesome.

So what made the show relatable, I think, to people, because everyone, no matter what their job was, could relate to the struggle. And everyone knows the worst thing in the world, which not to say that Kevin had this, it was just weird that Kevin had a movie star brother. But there's nothing worse than when your brother is just doing better than you at the exact same thing, you know?

Your younger brother as well. Your younger brother kind of changes it a little bit. You know what, Doug? I did see that line as, when I read the script, as a very critical line for my character right there. That's what I'm all about right there is getting work, getting a job. So I knew that that was a really – it wasn't a throwaway line to me. It was, you know, I got to deliver on this line.

It's awesome what you brought to it. And for all actors out there, I think that is Kevin. They always ask me, is Kevin acting? This guy would come in on set with choices, and strong choices, and I'm very strong on what I want, which Kevin and I, you know, we almost came to blows a couple of times, and I love it like my brothers do. But he brought extremely strong acting choices to everything he did, and the biggest compliment

anyone can pay an actor is when they are asking him whether they're acting or not, you know, because it feels like he's not. Yeah. So it's a compliment to you as well, because they, it seems like improv because the dialogue is so good,

but he wrote this stuff. Well, thank you. You see how much we love each other. It's, it's fun to listen to. And you're absolutely right. Just because again again like that's

why i say it just felt like the most honest interpretation just because you know what i loved and i'm curious about this kevin you know like johnny drama seemed like he neurotic but also like wildly self-aware and sometimes i know i can be neurotic and i try to be self-aware but is that something you related to because like here you have this character struggling in Hollywood, his famous brother. It's very easy to be disillusioned up because you really kind of have to stay grounded and and surround yourself with people or yourself but to not feed into people's bullshit and johnny jarmo is always great at that and that's why i think part of the reason why i love the character so much i'm just wondering if if that's something that you had in your own life and you brought to the to the character yeah i think i'm pretty selfaware. One thing about my career is it's been up and down and up and down.

So it's a rollercoaster ride. That kind of humbles you a little bit too. It makes you very self-aware. And to have an older brother who you've seen go through all this stuff as well. And I feel like Johnny Drama has seized these same things with his brother, and he's had a bit of a rollercoaster career. And I think that will make you very self-aware of what's going on and where you are.

He was just – I've played a lot of great characters in my life, but no one has been even close to being as much fun to play as Johnny Drama because he's got so many levels and so many layers. He's so fun to play as Johnny Drama because he's got so many levels and so many layers. He's so fun to play. I totally agree. I think he doesn't get his due, even though he gets a lot of due. But Johnny Drama, I was watching it back.

I'm like, this is the fucking best. It's just... You were watching it what? Say it again. When I was watching it back, just watching Johnny Drama, I was like, this guy's the best. It was it was just uh yeah you were you were a scene stealer and also though not to take it away do it on purpose but it is not to take it away from from my work and i'm really not saying this he does the same shit on the podcast it's like he really is so he kevin dylan is the most honest authentic person what he is is what he is and there's no bullshit and the stuff we talk about that really would be johnny

drama if i didn't meet kevin but that plays into him this guy didn't have a cell phone the first couple of years of the show like the idea in this day and age of technology that we would have to have someone drive sides out to his house, which was in Malibu, for an hour, because he was like, I don't know how to work e-mail. And it wasn't like you thought there was something wrong with him. You felt like there was something wrong with you.

You're like, why am I obsessed with my phone? I can text Kevin Dillon, and it won't get a red sign for three days. And it's not that he's ignoring me. It's that he honestly doesn't give a shit to look at his phone. So God bless him. I have like 1,000 unread messages right now. People are like, how could you do that?

How could you have 1,000 unread messages? You have a couple of threatening ones from me because I didn't get a response. I'm afraid to look at this thing. I feel even more honored now that you were able to come out and get this all to work and, and, and I know, but I know you're joking a little bit.

You have no idea how hard it is to get him to do these things. Like he just, I know. I really mean it. And he's turned over a new leaf, you know, but we talked about it on the show. Cause one of the lines that I wrote in the show,

which is very real, and I try to say to Kevin all the time, when I'm talking about this podcast, we're doing Victory the Podcast, I'm going to sell it with the hat, everything. But I say they don't pay actors to act. They pay actors to promote. That's like really the job. And Kevin, which is great for him,

not great necessarily for the producers, Kevin really believes in the work. He doesn't care about all the bullshit that surrounds it. He's not trying to suck his way into other things. He really wants to go and deliver performances, and you can judge him or not. Now, I try to tell him, in 2020, unfortunately, you have to do both.

And he's like, I mean, this guy didn't have Instagram until probably a year and a half ago both and he's like i mean this guy didn't have instagram until probably a year and a half ago now he's like i love it they offer me free meals at places i'm like kevin there's people getting millions of dollars out of this stuff so it's important that you do it but yeah it's not you remind me of a story of my dad who like at one point was like refused the text and then he realized that was the only way his kids would communicate with him and he's like oh this is amazing and then he just then he then then your dad's sending you the most random text and like stories and links and bios he won't stop now create a monster yes yes my aunt pat has done the same thing doug so when you when you came up with this idea idea, I know a lot of the stories were very strongly based on your friendships.

Obviously, we talk a lot about dating relationships on this podcast. How much of actual dating scenarios did you bring from your life or your friends' lives to the show? And how much did you get from Kevin or some of the other actors, you know, on the show? I definitely got things from the actors, but really so much of it is based on my life. I mean, Ari's wife was based on my ex-wife, was named my ex-wife. My son plays their child. Oh, yeah? Yeah, there were direct stories that are right from my life, which,

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when this show started, you know know the internet wasn't what it is now right and watching it back you're still seeing flip phones you see the technology that was have you thought about like how the show would have changed or evolved you know or if you say if you guys brought it back and you incorporate like things like sliding in dms instagram you know you see you know 10 years ago a-list celebrities they were still like ah i don't do that and you you see but even your biggest stars are like you said are are on the platforms and using it to their advantage and making it part of their brand have you thought about how you might have done it differently with the technology being different now yeah i mean I mean, of course. And it's weird because, you know, Kevin and I, I think we both feel like

we're still 25 and it doesn't really make sense that we're talking about this show that really predated the internet, TMZ, all of that stuff. So when we were showing a behind the scenes look at a movie star's life, you'd really never seen it now you turn on the tv every day and you're seeing some version of behind the scenes of a celebrity so it's very different but um i don't really think there would be any issue with the new technology how it would work with us what it would have benefited us i can't even imagine how great it would have been for us to get to spread it through social media that exists for us and it would have been for us to get to spread it through social media that didn't exist for us. And HBO...

It would have been bigger. It would have been bigger than it is. And HBO, while it was, you know, amazing and the greatest place and gave us a chance to do what we wanted, was still not as big as what it could have been if we had that opportunity to be on social media and stuff. But, I mean, I'm working on a new show right now

with Thierry Henry, who's a very famous international football player. So... By the way, this show kept me up all night last night, Doug. Which one? Your show. What do you mean? Why? Well, you know, we're doing...

We're having a great time doing Victory the Podcast. You know, we're talking, bouncing around ideas, we're doing a reboot. And now you're taking off. I mean, it kept me up all night well number one so i this show is set in london i'm not like the podcast is to be very honest with you is the my favorite thing i've ever done work was uh and i i said this on the podcast but running a show writing a show every week dealing with all the the talent and the egos, not necessarily Kevin

Dillon, is very, very difficult. The podcast, working with two of my closest friends is awesome. So the podcast is going nowhere. And, you know, we've talked about if someone really wanted a reboot of Entourage, then we'll really get into the logistics of it. But if there was an interest, obviously we'd figure it out. And this show is not going to stop that. But,

but the new show, which deals with celebrity in a different way, we'll deal with 2020 versions of it, which I think would have been great for Entourage. I wish I would, you know, listen, I mean,

it's, it's again, so weird to think that it was 2002 when we started this, but it could be done today in a very present way. And as you know, Nick, it's like celebrities, what you guys deal with even on any level, reality stars, movie stars, athletes, it's just a different universe now, you know?

And almost all of them, I always think about Philip Seymour Hoffman is one of my favorite actors who kind of has that Kevin Dillon thing. But Philip Seymour Hoffman was one of my favorite actors, who kind of... Oh, yeah, yeah....kind of has that Kevin Dillon thing, but Philip Seymour Hoffman was very big on... He didn't like doing interviews. He didn't like doing anything because he wanted you to see his character and not think about Philip Seymour Hoffman.

And I wonder if he would have succumbed to what it is today, because almost everybody is on this. It's like I'm watching Anthony Hopkins on Instagram doing crazy shit, and it's like... Totally. anthony hopkins on instagram doing crazy shit and it's like totally so bizarre to me so i that's a great example when anthony hopkins is on instagram that's a perfect because yeah i remember seeing his instagram like what why i don't why does this feel wrong it felt like unpure almost because it's anthony fucking hopkins it was like i i couldn't i couldn't believe it also unlike the show at this point it would have been Hopkins. It's like, I couldn't believe it. Also, on this show at this point,

it would have been like, you could see if it was in this setting, Johnny Drama and Turtle would probably be on every dating app that is available. And they would be on the wrong dating apps. Yes, I would have loved to see Johnny Drama and Turtle

on Tinder. Dating app stories. Or Raya. I think when we did this show stories. Or Raya. A whole Raya. When Johnny Drama got rejected, he submitted himself to Raya and he had to get chased to get him on Raya because

they like to pretend they approve people. Me and Turtle were going on Craigslist to try and get him laid. It really is. It's so remarkable how things have changed. And Raya, I actually, I met my girlfriend on Raya. Yeah.

So, I mean, it's wild. People are on it, yeah. Yeah, it's wild and unbelievable. And, you know, the real thing is that would change and not make it more difficult, but celebrities cannot hide. Like, there's no getting away with stuff anymore. There's like, if you have an affair, it's coming out 35 seconds later. So it would have been cool to see how we would change it then. But even like when I look at,

you know, I look at shows before the cell phone existed. Entourage was such a cell phone show. There was so much going on in cell phones. So sometimes I wonder if we did it 15 years earlier, what it would have looked like as well. So totally. I could imagine a whole episode on like a cancel culture. Yeah. Or nude pics.

Well, you know, for us, for us personally, by the way, which, you know, Kevin doesn't even like talking about it because he doesn't care.

And I do feel Entourage, you know, Kevin doesn't even like talking about it because he doesn't care. And I do feel Entourage, the movie especially, walked into the dead-smack center of it, which it really does, it offends me and pisses me off. At one time, we were the smartest show on TV, and then suddenly people were portraying us as this misogynistic thing, which is, you know, it's upsetting because what the show was to me was friendship, loyalty. It was not about chasing women. as this misogynistic thing, which is, you know, it's upsetting because what the show was to me

was friendship, loyalty. It was not about chasing women. Of course, we had stuff like that because they were young guys. But the great news is, during this pandemic and with the podcast, I've really felt a turn and people have started to appreciate it again for what it was, which is a show about friendship and loyalty,

not about anything else. Well, my girlfriend was watching Bridesmaids the other night, and it's an interesting twist. appreciated again for what it was, which is a show about friendship and loyalty, not about anything else. Well, my girlfriend was watching Bridesmaids the other night, and it's an interesting twist. You know, Sex and the City came out, and it was like, whoa, I've never heard women talk like this. And when I sold Entourage, I really sold it on, there's nothing on TV where guys are talking like guys.

And this is before The Hangover and before some of Judd Apatow's great movies. And I said, there's nothing of that's what I want to portray. And obviously that became a thing. But my girlfriend was watching Bridesmaids the other night. And I'm like, this is and I love Bridesmaids, but I'm like, this is just women talking like men used to. And now they're allowed to do it. But if men talk like this, they're animals. So, you know, I think, and like you said,

it's always good to be more aware. It's always good to be kinder to people, but there's always an overcorrection when things happen, and then it will swing back somewhat towards the middle. But what people really would ask me about is, how would Ari operate during these days? Now, there's a real Ari Emanuel, who's one of the biggest agents in Hollywood,

who obviously is still operating. But, yeah, you'll have to change your tone, because if someone spoke the way Ari Gold did in an office today, they'd be filmed, and that would be the end of their life. And possibly, you know, we can debate it. It should be. But the character of Ari to me was always at the end of the day, he was a barker, but really inside he was a good guy

and all of his people knew he wanted to take care of him. So I'd like to separate words from actions to some degree. That being said, we all got to watch what we say. Yeah, totally. Yeah, I remember the – was it last time I was watching it? He's on a date or he's not sure if he's on a date with Ari's assistant and she's asked if he gave enough smoking. Right.

And then the line that Johnny gives, you know. Yeah, I mean, there's a bunch of them. You know, the first line of the movie, which I don't need to repeat it. Everyone can check out the movie. But I saw the movie in no less than 30 filled theaters. It got a laugh every single time. That was written in reviews as the most horrific thing people have ever heard

in their life. And, you know, some of the- Where's the line again, Doug? I can't remember the line. Yeah, just go ahead and say it. I mean, you know, look, I'm- Who said the line? You did.

I did? Yeah, it's a- We can always edit it out if we find it to be mildly, but I want to remember. I mean, it's not totally offensive, but look, he's saying you, you made me say the most offensive line in movie history.

Thank you, Doug. Thank you. You know what? It was, it was the guys were in a speedboat. They're heading towards this yacht. We see beautiful Nina Ogle and,

and a lot of women and men there. And Dylan says something, you know, the line. I mean, I don't know was it if you can't get laid here no no no this is the movie I may have to I'm trying to remember I may have to jerk it before I even get there okay but it is not funny for me anyway but what Kevin said and I saw it in the theater and everybody laughed every single time the reviews

pointed it out as one of those things. And I think it's funny while there are these shows on TV about murders and killings. And we're talking about whether a guy can say something to his buddies that is slightly obnoxious. I don't even know if that's offensive. I mean, especially on this show, we talk about dating relationships all the time. As you, I don't know if chris he told you we have a strong female audience and they're they're often listening from a guy's point of view yeah and it's always a lot of questions guys masturbating or whether they do or don't is a is a hot button topic of one that like women don't seem to you know because we're not maybe it's because guys don't feel comfortable

admitting like you know this that's why theinfeld episode was so brilliant when Kramer's like, not every day. And girlfriends wouldn't go to their guys at the time when that came out. Really? You're like, well, yeah, sometimes four times. I don't know. It depends how much time I have or how bored I am. I'm just trying to pass the time.

But that line is true. When guys are just like, i might need to jerk off before like there's something about mary scene you know like in terms of like getting it out of your system to try to calm your nerves guys do that all the time you know i don't think that's a i don't think that's a wrong thing to put it out there it's more of a sex positive approach of like i don't know if you guys remember the episode where johnny drama's all nervous and turtles like just rub one out in the trailer before you get out there. He's wearing his mic.

Yes. So the whole crew is listening in to him. And look, you guys can tell me if this is accurate. But again, when there was all this backlash coming against the entourage out of nowhere and girls came out, I'm watching girls, and, like, they have a scene where the girl is so enamored by a guy she met at a party that she literally had to walk into a bathroom and masturbate. Now, I'm all to hear from your young audience, but I spoke to the girl I was dating and all of her friends at that time.

I'm like, do you know anyone who really has ever fucking done that? A woman that had a, like, was so excited and wasn't on any drugs that she had to, in the middle of a party, go into a bathroom and masturbate? But, you know, that was considered at the time. And again, you guys can tell me what your audience thinks or what you think. I don't believe that was realistic.

But what he said with guys, it is realistic. And it is, again, I don't even like talking about i'm 52 years old now i got a daughter and so i have softened myself but it's just ridiculous i mean like again i will say it as many times i can entourage was a show about friendship and loyalty they were never abusive to women and never would be they were always talking shit and you know and and that's it you know no they all that they're great characters of stand-up guys yeah but uh the guys masturbating is a it's a real thing and i think it's good to bring awareness to i was in a comedy writing class and one of the guys in the class talked about every time he went

on a plane he jerked off in the bathroom every time. And it was like, we were sitting there because, you know, you're trying to use like real life experiences. And we were like, well, okay, no judgment, but that is aggressive. Cause he, he's, he said it like, like it was no big deal. Like he thought he'd get a laugh out of it. But like the point is the guys, you know, sometimes we, I have a friend from high school who with a Vince character was slightly based on, I mean, we drove across the country once.

And the next thing I know, I see him in the car. I'm like, what are you doing? He's like, I'm jerking off. I'm like on the drive. Like what driving by the way. Yeah. I won't say his name because I'll embarrass him, but he knows who it is. But again, it's, there are guys who do

that. Now I've never done either on a plane or on a drive. Neither have I. But the point is, chances are your boyfriend masturbates if you're listening. Cause we get a lot of those questions like where it's almost seems like a thing. If you're in a relationship, they stop doing. And I think it's always something i'm trying to like put out there it's just like you know listen make sure you're having your sex or whatever but like i didn't even know that was something that would still be talked about i mean a lot of our listeners are just like a lot of them are you know pro master some of them are you know they'll i'll get a lot of questions be like hey i'm in a relationship and my my

boyfriend masturbates too much i'm like what do you mean too much or if at all? It's not talked about enough. It's not normal. I remember 15 years ago or so, a friend of mine was legitimately getting divorced because his wife caught him watching pornography. And I was like, you're joking. Really? She doesn't, like you live that far in a closet that she doesn't know in 10 years of marriage that you watch some pornography. So, you know, I guess there is different levels to what people think. But, you know, everybody's, like we said,

be kinder, but like be realistic about what the world is and what, you know, what's happening. Yeah, it's weird though, because it's still a dump. We're still, I think, as a society dealing with societal norms, double standards, you know, like you kind of mentioned that girls episode versus how, you know, and I think it's good on both sides to just have things that are normal be normalized that are healthy. Like, stop, you know, why are we shaming certain aspects whether it's from a something women normally do that we don't show or men normally do that don't show and you're right like as long as we're all being respectful to one another it's good to kind of put these things out there so like we don't start like making ourselves feel judged or weird for doing normal shit you're

just like i don't want anyone to know like the normal things I do that everyone else is doing. Everyone's doing it, but then it's like being in middle school sometimes. Remember when we were in middle school and you started masturbating for the first time, but everyone's making fun of you for masturbating? That was middle school. And you know what? That's what the best feeling about with the internet now and with the podcast now, I get all of these

messages from people who are like, this was me and my boys. And, you know, when LeBron James was on the show, he was like, this is my drama. This is my turtle. And this is my ease. So that's the biggest compliment I think we all can take and go. This is what guys are like. It's just that simple. And if you want to like put them in a closet and get them to hide from who they really are, because some society is telling you that, but they were good guys who looked out for each other and were more concerned about their friendships than making money than anything else.

I mean, Johnny Drama, especially, like he was Vince's mother in a lot of ways and would have done anything to make like he was vince's mother in a lot of ways and would have done anything to make sure he was okay so totally and it's funny because we're talking about now it would have been fun to see you write an episode like that because i could see those guys right in a cancel culture situation where someone says something in a group of guys because guys we'll do this now we'll we'll check each other right and it would have been funny if i'm like i don't know if we can say that anymore and then have a discussion about why we can't say that or why that could be

offensive right there's some there's like attempt at being woke and within the group because guys will do that we'll check ourselves so it's like you gotta write entourage too man because i'm not really that right but you can make that i mean i've just i've been binging on it recently so yeah also when you when you talked about Friends, it reminded me when I was watching it back. I'll never forget a night when I was watching it in Milwaukee. My one buddy, Nick, who we were just super hammered and we were just done watching Entourage.

And he was like, you got to be our Vinny Chase, man. He's like, if anyone can do it, you got to be our Vinny Chase. I just remember laughing about it just because you know but like watching it back and like moving out to la it was kind of a very meta thing and i'm no way comparing myself to vinnie chase but just just every guy you're right like all and if you were a fan of that show and you had a group of guy friends you all kind of were like who's who in this lineup right and then And it was just pretty fun to... But honestly, that was the whole wish fulfillment of it, that you could go with your best, best friends,

and you could all avoid all of the difficulties that we all know people go through. I mean, I'm still best friends with my friends from kindergarten. I'm talking, I have a text group with 15 to 20 guys that talk daily, and they've all gone through divorces and children with medical issues and financial things. So that's what the real wish fulfillment is. And listen, you've had a great run, so it doesn't have to be Vince Chase, but I'm sure to your friends back in Milwaukee, you're Leo, you know, and did you bring anyone out with

you? Do you have any of those guys? You know, I still talk to them all the time. No one, no one came out just cause I, you know, it was more later in life. Like I came out here in my thirties and they were all like, you know, it was basically, I, I took a risk when they all like, I broke up with my girlfriend, they all married theirs. And it was kind of one of those things where like, I need to do something different with my life kind of moment. But I still like, I have my best friends that I still talk to on a regular basis from middle school through high school and just like you.

So yeah, those friends that stay with you no matter what. So yeah, and Entourage, like you said, it was a very bonding show for me and my boys back home. Yeah, and we talked about last week, I hung out with Tyler Cameron in Santa Fe a few weeks ago. So we've had everybody come on the show from the show except Adrian, who we haven't been able to get yet. So I said, because Tyler has that vibe. I mean, I see how women react to him. I see all this. So I said, maybe we'll get Tyler to replace him in Entourage 2 if we do it, if we can't get Adrian. So, but my point is you see that same thing when you get that

celebrity thing and you are a grounded, good person, you want to help out your friends that are struggling. You want to help them make the moves that can do something for them that wouldn't have otherwise been possible. And LeBron's a perfect example of it. People thought LeBron James was crazy when his career was starting and he was not hiring a big agent. He was hiring his friends. And now, you know, they've built a billion dollar empire. And a lot of people are trying to do those models because the truth is, and again, the soccer show I'm doing with Thierry Henry,

which is called day ones is about similar thing. It's about those guys you grew up with or, or girls that you knew you before you were. And those are always the best things because when you get to Hollywood, you never know, everybody's got an angle. Everybody's got something, you know,

and they also forget about you extremely quickly. Like Kevin said, we have both gone through divorces to career being on top of the game to the bottom of the game. And it's a humbling and kind of blurring experience. So yeah, totally. Those are all great examples and you're you're absolutely right in terms of like sometimes i wish when i came out here i came out here younger where my friends would come out and i was i'm lucky enough to when i moved la find those people who you know helped me stay grounded and uh it's pretty great uh just before i let you guys go i'm just like one of the best parts about the show obviously is the variety of cameos that you brought, right? A lot of people are playing themselves or heightened versions of themselves.

And then you have actors playing characters, like the Val Kilmer, who plays the – or basically they're – he's not a dealer. Sherpa. Sherpa, yeah. Sherpa. And that was such a an amazing scene um like what was your favorite you know cameo or you know top five of people you brought in that either like played themselves or and were certain actors like did they want to play it straight or when you had people like kind of be outrageous versions of themselves what were those conversations like

and what were some of the most fun people to work with? Kevin, I can jump in. Are you, you got, I got some, well, I'll just tell you my favorites where then I'll let you,

you can go off on that. But, uh, you know, I, Tom Brady was just a huge get, and we were supposed to get, Oh,

I, we might have a, yeah, that's a Patriots fan right there. Tom Brady. I love Tom Brady. He's just a great guy. And we got to know him during the filming.

But he's the greatest football player of all time, in my personal opinion. Phil Mickelson, another great get. I helped get Phil because I introduced Phil to Doug on the phone. He's the people's champion, Phil Mickelson. People's champion. Yes, he is. Yes, he is. But also James Cameron was great, too.

And James Cameron was just to have a director that big in the business. It kind of really made Entourage even feel even more real. Yeah. So those three guys are my favorites. of our first gets that Larry Charles got. The fact that Kevin did the doors with him. Yeah. We have Val, but I'm telling you to this day, I post on Instagram, people go, oh my God, I had no idea that was Val Kilmer. So that's how good of an actor he was that he put himself in. But as far as cameos, Larry David,

who's one of my idols and Martin Scorsese and James Cameron, but the most special moments, which we actually just talked about on the podcast this week, there were two for me that were the most special. And Mark DeShera, who was the first baseman for the Yankees, got us Yankee Stadium. Like, you know, this is like my childhood dream. It was to play in Yankee Stadium,

but at least I got to, like, run Yankee Stadium for a few hours. And I brought all of my high school friends, my children, and we had the run of Yankee Stadium. And then the other one, which we talked about. Kevin Connolly still pissed off at you about that because he was directing that episode. He's a big Yankee fan. Yes.

So Kevin was directing the episode, but he's also starring in it. So he didn't understand why he couldn't be in L.A. and New York at the same time. But anyway, the other one was U2, which was on my birthday, we got U2 to come on the show and say happy birthday to Johnny Drama and let us film the concert, which was, I mean, it was just amazing. So we were very fortunate to have some really cool experiences. And, you know, there were so many other people I'm leaving out on those cameo lists, but, you know, those are a few.

That's awesome, man. It's so, it's so fun to hear you guys talk about that stuff. Before I let you guys go, Kevin, I know you got a new movie out called buddy games and it looks hilarious. I haven't had a chance to see it yet, but do you want to give the audience a little preview about that or why they

should check it out? Yeah. Yeah. It's a great movie. It's really hilarious. We won, we won the film festival and mammoth. it out? Yeah, it's a great movie. It's really hilarious. We won the film festival in Mammoth. Did you?

Yeah, it's absolutely hilarious. I watched the preview last night. It looks hilarious. It's great. It's doing really well right now. Josh Duhamel wrote it, directed it, produced it, and acted in it. He did everything in this movie. We got a great cast, Nick Schwartz and Dax Shepard.

We got so many great guys in there. It's just a hilarious movie. And I also got the Reagan movie is going to be coming out. And I play Jack Warner of Warner Brothers. That's going to be another good one as well. Well, that's awesome. I can't wait to see it. But I think I'm going to check out Buddy Games tonight.

Is it on all streaming platforms? Where can you find it? Yeah, I think you can find it pretty easily. I think pretty'm going to check out buddy games tonight. Is it on all streaming platforms where, where, where can you find it? Yeah, I think, I think you can find it pretty easily. Okay. I think pretty much all, all platforms.

Definitely on iTunes. I watched it on iTunes. Okay. Yeah. I'll just, yeah. On my Apple TV. How'd you like it,

Doug? I liked it. I always like you, man. Everything you do and Josh is great. Yeah. It was another bro movie. It's like a cool,

another cool, fun bro. Bro movie. It's a bro movie for sure. Yeah. Yeah. It looks like a ton of fun. So I'm going to make sure to check that out.

You guys listening, make sure to check it out as well. I can't thank you guys enough for taking the time to come on here and talk about the experience. Congrats on the podcast victory. Make sure to check that out, guys. If you are looking for more behind the scene entourage goodies, it's a ton of ton of fun it's a great listen and um both doug and kevin are great on it and uh if there's anything else guys where can they find you social like let's let's plug kevin social let's uh uh kevin dylan official instagram that's really all i do is the uh instagram so i want to see kevin dylan instagram ad i want to see like hey guys swipe up i don't have one yet i'm gonna hire

someone for like a week and all of a sudden he's doing these posts with crazy chyrons and all this shit i'm like dylan have you gone mad he's like someone's doing it for me i knew it wasn't him but anyway a friend of mine who's staying at my house i wouldn't take any money from me so he goes you know what i'm gonna do i'm gonna set going to set you up with my Instagram people. I got this girl, Bridget, who's been doing a great job on my Instagram. And for me, it's still me on the Instagram.

People are like, oh, now I know it's not you. It is me. I'm still making the comments. I'm still making all the decisions. She's just doing the technical work. Exactly. And for me,

I don't care if you follow me, but follow Victory the Podcast. That's all I care about. Yeah, that's a good little, that's a good little follow right there. Whoever does that social media, are you doing that? Or do you have someone doing that? It's good. I'm doing it with my assistant.

So I'm trying to do it less and less. But I respond to a lot of stuff. That's awesome. So let us know what you think. And thank you guys. Much appreciated. Crack the whip on Doug. Let's get him to do the reboot.

Entourage reboot. I mean, I'll watch. So just let's go, Doug. All right, good, Doug. Come on. All right, guys. I can't thank you enough. I really appreciate it.

Have a good one. Thanks for having me. Stay safe, guys. All right, you too. All right. Bye. Take it easy, guys. Enjoyed this episode.

Don't forget to send your questions at asknickatcastme.com. Cast with a K. Take it easy, guys. with Justin Long. If you enjoyed the interview with Justin, you're going to absolutely love the Ask Nick episode. He's so good at answering questions. He's as good as you'd think he would be. I had a ton of fun with him and he was really great. So make sure to check that out on Monday. Other than that, we will see you on Monday.