The Viall Files - E212 Noah Erb, Chris Harrison’s Neighbor

Episode Date: December 16, 2020

Today we are joined by one of the most talked about contestants on this season of The Bachelorette, Noah Erb. Love him or hate him we take some time to hear more about who Noah is, his family, being on the front lines of COVID, and how he really approaches his sex life which is the opposite of the party boy mentality people seem to place on him. We also get to hear about what we did not see when it came to Bennett, Tayshia thinking he wasn’t ready for marriage, and his conversations with Ben & Spencer off camera.   “I am exactly in my life where I want to be for another person to come into my life.“ Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes.  THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Storyworth: http://www.storyworth.com/VIALL to get $10 off your first purchase.  Press House Coffee: http://www.presshousecoffee.com/VIALL to get 20%off  Skylight Frames: http://www.skylightfraame.com use promo code FILES for $10 off your purchase.  Usual Wines: http://www.usualwines.com use discount code VIALL for $8 off your first order and try your first glass on them.  Episode Socials:  @viallfiles @nickviall @noah_erb See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

what's going on everybody welcome to another episode of the vile files i am your host nick of the vile files i am your host nick sitting here in sunny california today and i'm with chrissy who's got her charlie brown christmas tree behind her and i do well it also appears to be sunny montana is it i have to say it just stopped snowing so that's amazing but i do go for my coffee and it's like i'll walk in like 18 degrees to go get coffee every morning a bunch of blocks so well i hope you have enjoyed this week of uh bachelor content it's been it's a fun week it's the justin long week plus some extra bachelor because we have one Noah from The Bachelorette with us today to talk about his experience.

He was a very honest gentleman, shared a lot of behind the scenes, was pretty honest with his assessment about all the guys, Tayshia, the relationships left on the show. But we also learned a lot about him. A lot of things I don't think we got to see like, you know, about him, about the way he thinks about sex, about the way he thinks, the way he works on the front lines and other things that he does. So I think it's interesting.

Yeah. If you haven't had the pleasure of listening to Justin Long and I break down these two episodes of The Best Shred, I suggest you do that before you dive into Noah because it's gold. And then even better is, well, personally, I think it's better, The Ask Nick with Justin Long. Justin was probably my favorite guest from the, I mean, I've had some good ones in terms of helping with The Ask Nick,

but he contributed so much to the conversation and it was a lot of fun to have him and i think you guys will really enjoy it so if you love listening to people talk about their dating situations and problems and having a couple of middle-aged men break it down it's the episode you won't want to miss so we have no Noah coming up. Truthfully, I actually wanted to have Noah and Bennett. I wanted to do like a 45-minute interview with Noah and a 45-minute interview with Bennett. I was told that he wasn't available.

I suspect that Bennett declined because, well, I don't know why, but I suspect it's because I've been hard on him. And he probably doubted his ability to maybe respond to some tough questions. I don't know, without the ability to edit. Without being prepared, perhaps. Just know that while I have been critical of Bennett, it's me wanting to give him an opportunity to explain himself was offered to him. I really wanted to ask Noah Bennett,

sorry about apologies and his lack, uh, his lack of his ability to do it. I tweeted the, uh, last Wednesday that Harvard never taught Bennett that I'm sorry. I made you feel that way is not an apology. Interestingly enough, there are a handful of people on Twitter who disagree with me. A lot

of people saying that I'm sorry I made you feel that way. They thought is his apology where, you know, it's like the worst apology you can make is I'm sorry you feel that way. That's clearly not an apology. But I'm sorry I made you feel that way is not much better because... How is it different really? Well, it's different because you are at least acknowledging that you did something to make them feel a certain way. Right? Okay.

But when you apologize and then involve their feelings into your attempt at an apology, you're putting the onus on their feelings and then feelings can be interpreted. So like if you're, it's like, it's acknowledging that you're part of it, like an accident. It's like, oh, well, I'm, you know, I'm 20% responsible because I was there. But when you acknowledge someone's feelings in your apology, you're basically saying like, I can't control how you interpret something.

Maybe a less, you you know sensitive person might feel differently maybe a less uh complicated person might feel differently but i did this and that's how you interpreted it so i'm sorry that's not an apology you when you when you refer to someone's feelings and your apology you that there's a blame there and that that is their feelings because feelings can be interpreted a certain way. The only apology is like focusing on your actions and not their feelings. And so anyone who thinks that I'm sorry I made you feel that way is an apology. Well, it is not. And if you... It makes me angry.

Really? That kind of apology makes me angry. Maybe I'm too sensitive, but that kind of apology makes me angry. Well, too sensitive but that kind of apology makes me angry well it's not an apology because it no it's also like putting it back on that other person because if someone says i'm sorry i made you feel that way you are acknowledging your actions but again you are basically so then people don't hear that you're basically saying the person's feelings are just like so i to be accounted for well no, no. You're accounting for their feelings, but you're telling them that their feelings could change. It's like, well, wait, so it's how I feel about this is the problem?

Because you know what I'm saying? If you feel a certain way, you can feel differently. People interpret all sorts of feelings. I wanted to ask Bennett about that because a lot of people agree with him, and I wanted to offer him the opportunity to let him know that people agree with him and then see if he, I just want to see if he was a character or not, but he declined or I think he declined.

I don't know for sure, but I'm pretty sure he declined. I don't feel like that men tell all did him any good. I think it did everything Bennett wanted it to do. I agree. Maybe. Yeah. Anywho,

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Support the show. Noah, how's it going? It's going good great good great where are you where are you these days um so right now i'm in colorado when you say right now so like you don't you're not you don't live in colorado you're no so i'm from oklahoma originally tulsa oklahoma but i do travel nursing. So I, I kind of bounce around a bit. Um, pre-show I was doing a COVID contracts in California, COVID ICU. Uh, and now I'm doing a COVID ICU contract in Colorado and, you know, my twin lives out here, so I'm getting to see him

and, uh, you know, work out here. Oh, well, we're going to, we'll get into more of, of Noah in a bit, but let's just kick it off and, uh, get into the show and get your thoughts and feelings on all things, uh, your experience in the bachelorette. So, uh, the, the men tell all, uh, definitely, uh, an interesting one this year. I got to give props to, uh, an interesting one this year. I got to give props to Chris Harrison because that must have been... Obviously, that was a pretty... Was it an awkward setting?

Just because usually they have a live studio audience, right? Kind of like how Rose Ceremonies, when you watch it, it has music in it. And when there's a viewer, we're just like... But it's just awkward and quiet in Rose Ceremonies. I'm telling you, it was so loud and chaotic that there was no time for awkward really just the guy everyone came guns non-stop it the people that maybe i feel like didn't say everything they wanted to say while they're on the show doubled

down in the mental wall that's pretty typical you know everyone's trying to everyone's gunning for paradise well there's usually more contestants too right at that point yeah there's yeah there's only a few of us um and obviously there's still old tension and beef with me and bennett and bennett's got his henchman ed uh and then kenny who's i knew ken Kenny would be, you know, coming in hot. I didn't expect to that level. I mean, he doubled down. So, Ed, I've been critical of Ed on this podcast. Just a scotch. You have to.

No, he's- And I don't know, like, and I got to the point where I felt a little bad because, as I've mentioned over and over and over, like I recognize that all of you, like, I don't know any of you people, right? Like I get certain glimpses of like, yeah, he's probably a dick in real life too. Or, or I find this person interesting, but I reserve all judgment for your personalities until I, if I ever meet you guys in person. Right. But so I felt a little bad for ad, right. for ad right and and uh and then he had to like just yeah his arguments he he was he seemed like bennett's henchman as is that was he always

was him and bennett just kind of a a pair during the season like were you surprised by that no so ed the funny thing is even if you don't know ed when ed got the man child award everyone knew he deserved that he yeah you don't need to know him off the show for tell us why tell us why i mean because you forget how old ed is you're like oh yeah i mean ed's in college i think ed's like late 30s. Okay. But you'd never know. You'd never know. You'd think Ed's like 23.

Because? He's just a goofy, like, I mean, he's a man child. Ed's for sure a man child. And I like Ed, but you just forget that he's like a grown adult. Give us an example. I mean, a lot of the stuff he says it like he's still he's still a party boy ed's still ed's still in miami um you know going out on the yachts with with uh the freshman college chicks and then he's got to go home to work you know stays up all night and

then he's got to wake up and go to work in the morning but if you only saw ed you'd be like oh this guy's not a grown man. He's a man child. I mean, he just acts like you forget how old he is. And he's funny. But, yeah, he's for sure a man child. And you ask about being a henchman on the show. He was Bennett's, like, right-hand man.

I mean, the whole time. It'd be Bennett and me going at it. And then out of the left corner, you just hear Ed yelling. Like, hear Ed's voice, and you look over there like, Ed, why are you talking right now? What do you have to say? And he would just back up everything Bennett has to say regardless. You said before we started recording that you spoke with Ed this morning on the phone. I did.

I spoke with Ed this morning. Who reached out to you? So he, I saw Bachelorette ABC had posted something about Ed or just it was some of the guys about the mental wall and all the comments were like, why did Ed have a glow up and where did Ed get a neck? And like, why am I attracted to Ed? It was really funny because yeah, we made fun of Ed. Cause he looks like, you know, Johnny Bravo and he's like, he's got no neck. He was always asleep. Um, so we always made fun of him for that. And then I said, dude, Ed, the tables are turning. The ladies like, you know, the people like you. Uh, so I called him just to check up on him.

Cause I, I mean, I do like Ed, he's funny. Um. Him and I had our beef for quite a bit. And then he finally was like, I'm done with this. I'm getting out of this. It's getting too chaotic. And Bennett did not. Bennett doubled down, obviously. When you say Bennett doubled down, are you talking about like at the tell-all or just like life outside of the show? So life outside of the show, like you asked me talking to Ed,

those guys that were ragging me the whole time, they're talking trash. You'll see it in their interviews and everything. Now they want to be my best friends. And I'm like, all right. I don't care. I don't hold anything against anyone. I do think Bennett, you know, I told Bennett if he came, he brought his little smug face to Oklahoma

to get smacked in the mouth like people in Oklahoma would not do well with Bennett just because yeah we don't talk to people like that do you like do you want to fight Bennett it is what it is would you fight Bennett I'm not gonna I wouldn't fight Bennett it's not it wouldn't be a fight I'd feel bad at the end of it like I I don't hate Bennett. I just think that Bennett is kind of funny. He's quirky, but he is like the man can be a prick and I can't tell the stuff Bennett does. I genuinely can't tell if he's putting on a show or not after like outside of the show.

I have no idea. It's a, it's a good point. I honestly watching the, the tell all, um, yeah, you're not sure if he, he, he's putting on a show, honestly watching the, the tell all, um, yeah, you're not sure if you,

he, he's putting on a show, right? I can't tell. And I've talked to him for months. Uh, do you, I've said all along,

I, yeah, I've said all along that like, like I, you know, I liked bed. I liked it. Then I was like,

eh, I didn't like bed it. And you know, from the show standpoint. And then I was just like, this guy is just kind of a nerd, and he just doesn't know it. But I'm not sure if that is – I think he's more devious than that.

You think so? No, see, I – I'm not giving Bennett enough credit here. I agree. So I – the whole time, Bennett would come at me, and I was like, dude, I don't want to be a part of this. And I started to like Tayshia, so I'm like, nobody that's in all the drama ends up well.

They're fun and, you know, they're entertaining. But if you actually like the person, you're not going to go far. So I like was like, I'm trying to stay out of the drama. And, you know, I gave Bennett the benefit of the doubt. Hard word to say in a row. But I gave him the benefit of the doubt, thinking he just doesn't know. Like he's just kind of clueless, is funny why he you know gave me that EQ speech then I realized I'm like dude no Bennett is calculated with what he does he's not like a clueless nerd the man is smart and the

man's devious and I think he knows exactly what he's doing but it took me a long time to get to that point yeah you said he was like meticulous in the way that he like plans it which that scarf definitely says like i'm meticulous in the way yeah i mean it on our when we were going at it they didn't show this but i'm like ben and i apologize that you've lost nights of sleep over me like i should be apologizing to you because you stay up all night thinking about what to say doing all these little things like i'm sorry that you're so caught up on this. But he's meticulous. I mean, he's a devious guy.

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You have no idea how hard it was not to just go off on Bennett multiple times. Like rip him a new, I could have buried Bennett. And when he came back, I could have ended Bennett. I think my only regret is not calling Bennett out for pulling the I love you card to save face. Like, so he didn't look like a Harvard douchebag. Oh yeah, that was. That's really one of my only regrets but also so you think so your your regret is not going more for Bennett so it's not going more it's just not like the stuff he was dishing out and the stuff he did I was the first one to call him out anyways everyone knew that Bennett's condescending at the

house everybody knew that they just didn't like they're the ones that told me that and i'm like it's been going on for weeks nobody says anything like i'm gonna call this guy out so i was the one that called him out on it but you know then some of the stuff some of his antics i should have buried bennett for and i didn't so i'm not gonna say it's my only regret because i did like choose some of the antics that you feel, like the I love you, obviously, we got to see, but were there things that we didn't get to see that Bennett was pulling?

What I saw from Bennett, because Bennett was in his own world eating his prune juice and kale sandwiches and little smoothies every day. Nobody saw Bennett a lot. I'm going to be careful how I say this. I'd rather you not. All right. So Bennett, I'll try to be careful how I say it, but I'm not going to say he's like,

I want to like Bennett. I think everybody wants to like Bennett. But then when you take him for what he is, you're like, this guy does just have this elitist mentality. And I honestly, I think, I hate to break him down psychologically, but I honestly think he said he didn't grow up privileged and all these things. I think he just morphed into the exact person that he hated growing up. Like if you grew up not entitled,

he's turned into the person that he hated, which is I'm at the top, everyone's below me and this elitist mentality on Wall Street. Do you know that to be true? Like, do you know anything about his childhood? No, I just know that i asked him to spell privileged and uh i can't he he turned it into like no he brought it up to tation said noah said i'm privileged i grew up in a poor i was told that he went to one of the most expensive private schools and things like that i don't know anything about his life i've i haven cared to look him up. So you don't know.

I have no idea. I just know that if you take him for what he is, yeah, he just thinks he's better than everybody. What was going on with Kenny at the tell-all? Is that his outfit? Okay. That's what I need to start with. I'm so bad.

I feel bad, but I feel like everyone. And people will get married in Camo. That's not uncommon. It's not in Tulsa. Some of and people will get married in camo. That's not uncommon. It's not in Tulsa. Some of the smaller towns will. You know, it is what it is. Dude, I wouldn't show up to the mental hall in a camo outfit. And then for Kenny to call me a playboy for saying I'm doing all these things,

I'm trying to get attention, Kenny shows up in a camo suit, and Kenny's entire job is to party. Like he's a boy band manager. He's a knockoff one direction boy band manager, you know, like he's telling me I'm a party boy. And then that's his entire, did you get to know entertaining people in partying?

Did you get to know Kenny at all in terms of like, what is a boy band manager in Chicago? Like, does that just like a, a, a seemingly better name for like club promoter or I mean, it's a serious question. I'm not even

trying to. No, I talked to him a bit. The thing about Kenny is we both talk trash and rag at each other, but we both respect that we speak our minds. So like Kenny will rag me and like talk all this trash to me and then be like, yeah, man, let's go grab lunch. I'm like, all right trash to me and then be like yeah man let's go

grab lunch i'm like all right i can respect that like bygones be bygones so like i don't know what he actually does i think he promotes this one boy band i don't know there's an actual band that he's like i know they're not working right now that goes covid so he's got to use all that energy in the mental all to just double down. But Kenny on the mental, I anticipated Bennett coming at me with all these sly remarks and all this stuff. And I anticipated Ed turns out Ed was asleep. The whole mental all, I did not anticipate Kenny, like coming at people at one point, Kenny stands up and yells, like shut the F up. And I'm like,

Kenny, you got out the first week i was here why are you yelling like sit down you weren't how you didn't have any of this energy on the show where's this coming from yeah he's just trying to get out in paradise yeah i mean that's how i felt with a lot of the guys but you still like chris harrison was the mediator and i would try to respond to all the stuff that Kenny and Ed and Bennett were saying. And I finally was like, Chris, like if you, if you guys want me to respond, I can respond, but I can't when Ben attention, man, Ed is yelling random stuff that we can't even hear. And then Kenny's behind just belligerently yelling. Like, I can't respond to this. If you guys actually want to have a response let me talk and

so chris gave us like allotted like okay you respond and you respond and that worked for a little bit but it was just i mean it was so chaotic i heard a rumor um third party great uh that uh not from chris himself so i can't confirm firsthand, but that your room was close to Chris's and that Chris Harrison thinks of you like a son. Can you confirm that? Is that true? Does Chris have a... Am I allowed to confirm this?

Yeah. So, yeah. I heard from a very reliable source, but I did not hear from Chris. You can only stay bottled up for so long. So I started breaking out of my room truth be told and unbeknownst to me my roommate was chris harrison so i'd be out when you say roommate like that you guys across the pool he was across the pool gotcha so that's why i showed up on set like so tan tanner than everybody i've just been laying by the pool with chris harrison you know drinking champagne all day and turns out chris is super cool so they made a joke that like chris was my

dad and actually when i leave i said like taisha i do think taisha is an awesome girl i said all these things like you know i hope it works out for you and my last words out the door was chris i love you and i walked out and uh like it didn't work out for me and taisha but well what were some of the things you guys talked about, full side? Mostly golf. Mostly golf. Midwest stuff, you know, mostly. We're talking about south stuff.

He's from Texas. But he went to a school in Oklahoma. Yeah, that's right. He played soccer in Oklahoma or something like that. Yeah. Yeah. So it turns out, yeah, he was. He did kind of become my close close uncle or dad if you want to

call it have you spoken with chris harrison at all offline not at the mental all like his is the relationship continuing to grow listen chris is a popular guy and uh so no i mentioned him once in a golf a golf dm this is before i was like verified and had followers and he responded you know surprised about that but no i haven't spoken to him he's got too many big fish to deal with you know and i don't actually know if anybody um post show actually likes me i'm not sure i haven't figured it out yet i've been kind of busy i haven't been able to check up on them are you talking about like production or the the guys how do you feel about your time on the show like did you have fun like what what uh like because like you know everyone you were accused

of being the shit starter you were there like some people probably even some fans i'm sure or certainly the guys like because you came in late you were to some sort of plant right you were there to stir up drama um and and cause a ruckus what how do you what how do you respond to those you know accusations whether it's from the guys in the house or people watching here what i think is we saw it with ed and a lot of the guys everybody's looking for somebody to blame yeah tasia sent me home it's noah's fault that i didn't get you know it's Noah's fault she didn't have a connection with me I'm like all right people like since I came in late and I came in pretty unapologetic and I said I'll call things how it is and you know that's that is what it is I had a lot of blame and a lot of targets on my back the fact that people thought like I was working with production and doing all these things no I just I came in when

they already had this whole group this you know boy scout group of uh like loyalty based off of trauma from Claire so I came in and I didn't really take no for an answer from the guys like they shut Spencer up put him in a corner um and I didn't really I was like I haven't done anything wrong I'm just targeting on my back for not doing anything wrong. Like they're going to dislike me as long as like, no matter what I do, unless I agree with them, they're going to dislike me. So I'm not going to like, just shut up and say, yes, ma'am. Yes, sir. To these guys who don't actually care for me. I'm, you know, I'm here like for Tayshia to see if it works out.

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and try your first glass on them. Watching you on this season reminded me a lot of when I was on Andy and Caitlin's season, like the combination of both of just specifically Caitlin's like showing up late, being the outsider, you know, and being friends with a lot of those guys. But like, just there is definitely a mob mentality, you know, and if you're and people kind of go with whatever they think is the popular thought or the idea or the safe idea. It's hard to be an outlier in that world.

It's hard to think for yourself. And I'm not talking about producers. I'm more talking about the pressure you feel from the house, right? Yeah. It's like showing up to a new high school and wanting to be liked and make friends. So you just kind of become agreeable. Right. had like friendships with were more quiet or you know there's a few of them that'll have my back in our outspoken you know ivan riley demar spencer and chasing you know i was cool with but like mostly ivan riley and demar uh they were outspoken you know like yeah bennett's a dick ed we don't

know what he's doing but for the rest it was bennett in the house versus a bunch of the guys in the middle that were back and forth and then me and a few people but yeah if you it's the mob mentality if you don't do what they say you know you're somehow in the wrong and everyone agrees with it you know like it could be a complete lie and everyone will agree with it can you help us understand I know like recently Tayshia was on Ellen and she mentioned that her most awkward conversations were with Spencer but this is a guy who you know apparent like he's a very attractive guy like you you both came in late and you both came in hot right like Spencer was like probably came in a little hotter than you with his line and got the first impression rose and a lot of people thought you and Spencer were going

to kind of take over the show thought you spencer were going to take over the show and you keep you know standing up for what you believe and not it would have been nice to have spencer there the whole time but i'm going to be honest spencer i'm spencer was my roommate okay so you know how it is with the roommates the mics are off it's, you know, and you freaking stay up all night like little school girls and giggle and gossip. Spencer was my boy, but I kept saying Spencer got shut up from the guys. And then he really, I'm telling you, they just put him in a corner and he kind of accepted that. And I'd always be like, dude, Spencer, like say something or like don't let him shut you up. It makes you look like, I don't like yeah it makes you look kind of weak

and if you do like Tayshia like honestly I think you and me could take the whole house honestly I told him that I'm like we could take the whole house uh we don't have to be like go out of our way and be a bunch of like idiots but these guys like we could handle these guys just keep speaking up for what you want and came in keep going hot like you came in and he didn't he kind of like i think they got to him and he kind of got shut up by riley i think riley got to him and riley called him like a baloney listen i was there for that they didn't show the stuff i said when riley was going at him i was like oh spencer's yeah this is a uh a chicago you know a dude dude from Chicago that's an attorney. And then Kenny also was the one that was like, yeah, Spencer, you're a dickhead.

And like three other people chimed in. And Spencer at that time looked at me and was like, kind of like, you're going to help me? And I kind of said like, this isn't my battle. The only thing I did say. Whoa, wait, you didn't help your boy? Well, I did. But the only thing I said was like, dude, you guys are judging Spencer and you don don't even know him you're calling him a dickhead because he made some joke which honestly was funny what he said i thought it was funny it's hilarious it sounded like and we what we saw

is that while you might not have been tasha's person you guys had seemingly some sort of real connection like when you talk to tasha it seemed like you felt validation from her. There was, you gave a little bit, she gave some back, and it felt like you were basing it on that. And so you were, it sounded like, it seemed like you were willing to continue to push back on these guys and fight because you felt validated by the, what seemed to be your sincerity about going for Tayshia. You referenced that a couple times already in the conversation.

And I guess based off of what we're hearing from Tayshia on Ellen is that other than the first impression, Rose, and thinking Spencer was really hot, there wasn't much of a connection. So here Spencer is just like, I don't know. I don't know if I really like this girl. She doesn't like me. These guys hate me.

And so fuck it. I'm just whatever. I'm'm not gonna be an asshole he was kind of like i mean he was put in a corner they shut him up he's like i gotta be careful now and i think in doing so he also questioned if he liked tisha or not you know and that's nothing wrong with that like why am i like i'm just here uh i think she that's why it was awkward like you know she thought he was a good looking guy but he's like she said the same thing to me that she said to him you remind me of my exes and i called her out on it yeah i i didn't take that i told her well i mean i told her hey if you want me because i do like you if you want us to work out um here's you you can do this but if you

want us to never work out or any relationship at all to never work out quit comparing people to your exes i'm not your ex like i called her out uh and spencer said she said the same thing to him you know just the so-called boy uh so she kind of that's she got that vibe from both of us i heard that uh spencer's so good looking that he just probably has never had to try for anything in his life when it comes to relationships. And so that makes sense. If he shows up, he gets some early validation. He's like, yeah, I'm used to this. Like, I'm used to this, like, show up, smile, say hi, get a first impression.

He doesn't have to do much. He doesn't have to say anything. Yeah. And then all of a sudden, Riley, probably for the first time in his life, Riley yells at him the way Riley did. And then he's just like, I don't know. Taste just seems cool, but probably not my person. It's not worth it.

And he folded. Yeah. He folded. And you didn't. So is that because I've been saying you and I are similar in the sense that you come from a large family. You've got to fight for your bowl of cereal, let alone a little attention from a lady you like. Do you think there's a correlation there? Or like what's the difference between you and Spencer in that regard of not being intimidated by someone who's just coming at you for no reason?

So I think the difference between us has nothing to do or it only has to do with how we grew up. Yeah, I grew up with 10 brothers and sisters. We always had foreign exchange students in our house, seven brothers. And, you know, my parents weren't rich, like we were poor. Like me and my twin were paying for our own high school at 16 kind of thing. Like, if you want something, you fight for it, you get it. But you don't just do it like arrogantly and blindly. That's what like I check myself every night. That's why like after I got in a fight with every guy in the house, I checked myself.

I was like, are you in the wrong? And I never thought I was in the wrong. So I was like, no, I'm not going to put up with this. Like these are just like this is middle school drama from a bunch of grown men. And I haven't done anything wrong. So, you know, I didn't think I was in the wrong. So I grew up like you fight for what you want, and you get it. And if you can't get it, you put in everything you could. But I think that's the only difference between Spencer and I is how we grew up.

Yeah. I was critical of you last week in the sense that when Tayshia said, I don't think you were ready for marriage, you walked away. She comes back. You're smiling. I mean, granted, that's just like, you know, them showing you smiling or whatever. They, you know, clearly the show, you don't have to comment, wanted to make, you know, you look like this kind of the Tic Tacs. Yeah. The fuck boy, the Tic Tacacs the the smirky grins the awkward smiles blah blah blah like that's not on you but i i what i what i was critical of is that it seemed like you didn't really push back at the time now did you have were there conversations at all that you had with taisha about you not being ready for marriage and why did she keep you around

if she thought that was a legitimate concern? So it's the same answer with how it all started. How it all started was when I went up to Tayshia and was like, hey, these guys are questioning the rose. And all I wanted to ask her was if it's legit, did you just give this to me as some gimmicky little rose? I'll go home. Like, I don't care to be here. But if it's not, you know, I'll stay and ignore the dudes, whatever. It blew out of proportion. It turned into this whole thing. So when Tayshia said I wasn't ready for marriage, but then still kept me, that made no sense to me.

Like, to me, for one, I think Bennett got in her head. Bennett warped her. He talked to her for like 35 minutes. He's a manipulative dude. It showed that she shut him up. No, she was so confused. I saw the look in her eyes after she talked to Bennett. She was so confused.

So I thought she was honestly confused about what she wanted to do, where she was in the show, the feelings she had. To me, she said she had feelings for me but i made her nervous like she like wasn't sure if i was more than like i'm a high risk high reward kind of guys kind of how it was equated so when she said that you weren't ready for marriage but she still kept me i was confused it made no sense to keep me there so i it didn't show that i talked to her i did talk to her like what are you talking about i'm not ready for marriage but i'm still here here. Send me home. What'd you say to her? Send me home. I said, send me home. I said, why don't you send me home? What'd she say? Well, she, I'm trying to think exactly what she said. She basically was like, I don't want to send you home. So I'm like, all

right, now I'm in this weird juxtaposition where you say, like, I think she said I'm not ready for marriage because she had her doubts and insecurities about me. But she did, she knew she had a connection with me. Like, I did have a chance where I'm like, you can say I'm not ready for marriage. I'm exactly in my life where I want to be for another person to come in and I'll take care of them and we'll have a great life. Like I told her all the things that objectively put me ready for marriage and subjectively, I thought I was further than a lot of those, you know, things that objectively put me ready for marriage and subjectively I thought I was further than a lot of those you know guys that said they're ready for marriage you know um so I did have a conversation with her in her response it was always like a confusing

response and to me that spoke that she didn't really know like she was just confused yeah but I told her to send me home i'm like send me home honestly like i'm not gonna leave because i do have feelings for you and i know you feelings for me but what's what are we doing right now what is this like i don't know how to navigate this and it was awkward it was so awkward i didn't kiss her i didn't kiss her for like a few days and i'm like this is weird i don't know what to do but we're both still here did you think when you when you got sent home were you kind of expecting it um all right so once Bennett came back that's when I knew okay all the cards are off the table I'm done for like I thought Bennett's

gone uh thank god I can finally focus on once bennett and ed left there was no drama in the house was like a paradise dude is an oasis no drama all the guys are cool we're all chilling great for you bad for the show yeah great for me bad for the show uh no bennett left and i'm like great taisha and me can focus on things that aren't related to drama in the house because i got no chance if i'm always in drama. So when Bennett came back, I was like, all right, I said one of us is going home and I hope Bennett doesn't cause hell on his way out. That's exactly what he did when he came back. Like, I don't, there's no way I can get out of this. I knew I was going home. I started cheers into the boys. I'm like, boys, it's been a good run. I just thought there's no way that tasia keeps me after this

you know with bennett coming back and those four guys still there all right interesting how'd you end up on the show uh so i my little sister actually nominated me she was uh at a bachelorette party with her friends she called me and was like hey we want to put you on the bachelorette and uh i was like all right like i i didn't think it actually happened i'm like all right sure whatever i sent him money for margs i'm like have fun uh sure and i get a call two weeks later and i'm in california doing a nursing contract and they're like hey your profile came across we want to interview you i was like i still didn't think it was happening so i got off shift i drove there um like stopped at the mall on the way and got closed my fifth shift straight i'm like

so cracked out on coffee that i'm sweating when i'm sitting there dude i'm just a mess didn't interview for two hours and they're like hey if you're serious about this we want you and i'm like if it actually happens i'm i'm serious about it but it's not like i didn't think it would actually happen sure yeah why didn't she nominate your twin brother he's married okay that might be a dicey i mean that could be dicey we're at the point where that might make for great tv and the people might like it but did you ever say my twin's married and he's ready for marriage and we're twins so like the apple doesn't fall like we're basically the same card yeah are you identical or are not no we're fraternal okay so you can't really say like we're basically the same dna minus like maybe if i'm pulling the hey

look at my twin my twin's ready for marriage if i'm having to bring people in i'm way off like yeah get me out of there where do you fall in line in your like what were you and your i'm in the middle i think we're i gotta count this is funny uh seven and six i'm in the middle you're in the middle yeah there's you know we're 26 um there's an 18 year old andold and a 35-year-old. How'd you get into nursing? It sounds funny. I was always told I should. And I'm like, all right. Sounds like the show.

I'm like, all right, yeah, sounds cool. But then once I'm here, I'm in. But I was just like, based off my personality, I like to help people. The freedom that comes with it. I was like, yeah, I'll try it. And I applied and they're like, you can't get in. I was 18 at the time because we were kind of a little bit ahead because we were homeschooled, which makes a lot more sense now to everybody. But I applied and they're like, no.

Wait, why does that make sense? Dude, homeschoolers, listen, they give us a bad rep. Yeah, I know. But my family, I'll say this. My family, I grew up driving in a big red van. All of us would get out like the Brady Bunch. We all freaking wore matching clothes. Like we were that stereotype for a while.

Yeah, it's my life, dude. I hope people don't creep too hard. Did you homeschool all the way through? did you homeschool too hard did you homeschool all the way through i uh went to a small private school freshman and half a sophomore year and then we started doing concurrent classes in college my dad was like all right you guys can like dick around in high school and because we were repeating classes with concurrent classes because it counts high school and college like you guys can dick around in high school or just go to college we were like 16 we're like i don't know aaron do you want to go to college he's like yeah sure dude and i'm like

a bieber haircut dude i'm i'm like have the bieber haircut i was like sick i was super short at the time he was like four inches taller than me uh So we just started going to the uni college. So you had a twin who was four inches taller than you. Yeah, it sucked, dude. Yeah. I was a lot faster than him. But in sports, yeah, the man, we fought all the time. If I had to fight him, I'd have to fight dirty. Like go for throat jabs.

That makes, to me. Gouge the eyes or throw rocks. He was so much bigger than me forever. That explains more than anything your willingness to not back out in the house yeah you had a twin who was four inches taller than you yeah i think he was like adolescent life is he still definitely no i think uh we're like six foot um he's i mean we're about the same height i might be a little bit taller now but he had 10 15 pounds on me too yeah i mean it was yeah then seven brothers my seven brothers dude they would they would just beat us up for the heck of it you know so i'm not this is not anything new to me so wait you went to college at 16 uh we started concurrent classes at 16 i don't know what that

is what is what is uh it's like you you go to the community college you can skip high school go to 16? We started concurrent classes at 16. I don't know what that is. What is concurrent classes? You go to the community college. You can skip high school, go to the community college and you get high school and college credits. By the time I was 18, I was done with all my prereqs. That's when I got into nursing. You've been

a nurse for how long? Since 2016. I never even think about it. i've been traveling for the last three interesting travel nursing and you're uh on the front lines of covid yeah i've been in this since last december you've been doing this since last december i was doing this they at first they didn't call it covid and then it started to, they started to call it COVID, but it was nothing big. Then we started testing heavily for COVID and we're like, Oh,

this has been the same thing. Yeah. Up until the show. That's because when it was clear, I found out it was clear. And I'm like, all right, listen, I told myself I'm ready for this. Cause I am, you know, I think I'm ready. So then I find out it's clear. I'm like, she's 39 uh her personality is in mind I can't tell what she's like so I'm like but I'm gonna just show up and do it and then we were at the hotel and they canceled it because of COVID we're supposed to go to the mansion that like the next day so wait you were on you were in the original lineup yeah I was in the original, the first casting.

Interesting. So then when it got canceled, I was like, dude, I'm just going to get back to work, get back to my normal life. I was like, if it happens, it happens. But I'm not going to put my life on hold for this. Yeah. I just, I don't know. I didn't think it would happen the second time around. Interesting.

And then was Spencer part of the original lineup too like you guys showing up spencer was later on that's why it's all it's all interesting to me i mean they knew my personality i came in hot uh you know yeah i mean so i think came on later it makes a lot of sense yeah and they probably found spencer you know in the time they had off and and uh you know you you two were probably better suited for Tayshia anyways right so it makes a lot of sense why you guys showed up when you did and probably to your benefit like yeah it totally it totally worked out for the tv standpoint because had you showed up early on and Claire's dude I would have turned into a Yosef

not as bad as Yosef but I would have got so fed up with Claire's like nonsense dude I would have turned into a Yosef. Not as bad as Yosef, but I would have got so fed up with Claire's nonsense. Dude, I would have been pissed off. That's why I said looking back, watching the guys, the guys look terrible. And it's not their fault. They just look like they're getting toyed around with. I'd end up getting pissed off. Or Claire would have liked that I'm a younger guy that fights for her, and I would have made it far. But I think I would have gotten sent home, and then I would have liked that I'm like a younger guy that fights for and I would

have made it like far but I think I would have gotten sent home and then I would have never met Tisha so let me ask you let me ask you this you just you you vaguely try to defend Yosef I want to give you an opportunity to oh no I'm not clear about and I don't know like do you think in any way he got a bad rap or or so are you saying you appreciate why joseph was frustrated but how he handled this frustration maybe you don't i said this at the mental all because joseph's there i said listen dude i don't know you i only saw what i saw i don't fault you like he's i'll defend him in fact that he spoke up to her like hey i think this is wrong if he would have only said that he'd have been cool. Then when he starts bringing up,

like he went so far left about how she's the oldest, his daughter should never meet her. He just kept going and going and going. And that's where he looked like a dick. And then he defended himself. You know, at the mental law, he got crucified. Even Chris Harrison roasted him. Yeah. I couldn't believe it. And he wouldn't back up what he said.

So there's no way I'll defend Yosef on that. I'm just saying if I was in Yosef's position, I would have been pissed off. I would have been frustrated. I can't blame him for that because they were getting toyed around with by Claire. Like blatantly. You know, we have the final three.

I'd love to hear your thoughts on Ben. Who do you think is right for Tayshia? Like for someone who had a connection with Tayshia, I'd love to hear your thoughts on, on the rest of the season going forward as, as you see it. Right now. Okay.

So the funny thing is I had conversations with all these guys. I talked to Ben by the pool actually. And he brought up the same things he brought up to Tayshia. And I like kind of consoled in him, like, dude, it's a big deal. You know, you know, the suicide, attempted suicide. To Ben, yeah. I'm referring to like a lot of the mental illness and things he talked about.

We had conversations. The thing I didn't like Ben is he kept trying to like, for some reason, put me under his wing. He said this in another podcast. He saw a younger version of himself. I'm like, dude, you're four years older than me i'm not a younger person yourself uh so that was the only thing that got me annoyed with ben but we talked about a lot of this stuff by the pool and i think he's a good guy you know cool guy he's he's interesting and i i wanted to know what his conversations with taisha were like because to me were like. Why do you say that?

It's just because Tayshia actually didn't open up a lot to the guys. A lot of it was Tayshia listening. And I don't fault her for that because she's the bachelorette. You can't open up to every single guy. Just to play devil's advocate, though, how do you know that? How do you know about Tayshasha's conversations with the other guys? Is it because that's what I know that because dude, we would get, I'm in the top five, right? I'm having conversations, you know,

with some of the guys and like Ben never knew she was divorced and he's top four. And I'm like, okay, like what else don't you know? I'm like, what have you guys talked about? You're this far. What have you talked about? a lot of the information like these are the top five four guys we're all talking about tation they have no idea some of the stuff like ivan and i are talking about we know way more about her life and some of the stuff she told me they had no idea and i'm like all right you guys are front runners i consider myself a front runner until bennett came back um like i was just i didn't know what they talked about so i started to realize that tation you guys are front runners. I consider myself a front runner until Bennett came back. Like I was just,

I didn't know what they talked about. So I started to realize that Taysha might like Ben has a lot of history, a lot in his past and stuff like that. I kind of assumed like Taysha kind of just listens. Like Taysha is going to be just listening to him. She's not dishing out stuff as much. And then watching the show, I kind of see that. Yeah. Well, so do you feel feel like that's on tasia or do you think it's on the

guys not asking tasia questions because i feel like it sounds like you know you are clearly a great conversationalist you uh have had a unique life you've you have this large family you you have interpersonal skills right and so it sounds like you're aware to like in a different situation intelligent though man i wish i was yeah it helped me to have self-awareness you got some i like you're a you have some bitter snarking yeah but do you put that on the guys or do you put that on taisha or who do you put on both because it's fair it's fair to criticize both but but who do you think it was more you think it was because like in that situation tasia has the power as the bachelorette it's a very intimidating atmosphere sometimes you don't know like do i just answer questions

or do i get to ask you you obviously are one of those people in that show who really understood i'm not i'm not going to ask for permission i'm just going to do what i want and someone will let me know if i should like do it differently right but in that world it's it it's, it's hard to do. A lot of people show up or just like, I don't know what, what, what do you, what do you, what do you, what do you want me to do? So who do you think is more to blame? I think if we're going 50, 50, I have to blame Tasha because you know how it is. The guys know, okay, I got a little bit of time. I'm going to basically like checklist, say some things about me. So I have an impression on Tasha. Then as you get further along, you're like, okay, she knows a bit about me. Now we can start having

real conversations. Um, but honestly, I will play devil's advocate because she is a good listener. But I also think that, you know, if you're getting that far along with some of these guys, you should be telling them some stuff about you you know and like i'm it's wild to me that ben had no idea yeah that she was i don't want to say a therapy session but it turned into like a 30 70 combo like the guys are 70 percentatious 30 i i just want to put a time stamp on this because I can only imagine this episode airs and then you can get a lot of people trying to defend certain things. So when specifically did you have that conversation with Ben at what point that he acknowledged that he had no idea

that Tayshia had been married before? Oh, here, listen, you're going to want to ask Ivan about it because me and Ivan towards the end, we were super close. And me and Ivan are talking about some of the things about Tayshia and random things. And we were all sitting in the hub. I don't remember exactly when it was, but it was very far into the end of the show. We were like, yeah, dude. I said like, yeah, she got divorced when she was my age because her and I had a long conversation with Blake, like before Blake's one-on-one. I'm like, yeah, she got divorced at my age.

And I understand why she's got hesitations with me and stuff like that. And then Ivan said something and, and I don't remember if it was Ivan or Ben, but I'm pretty sure it was Ben was like, she was married. Or it was something like that where Ben said something and me and Ivan were both like, wait a minute, you don't know she's married. Like, and he just had a one-on-one and I'm like, how, but like when, when was this, but it was just like the first week or was this like, Oh, this is top five. This is me. Bennett's home. This is top five.

This is so it's down to five and Bennettennett and ben says this and it's ben and didn't know she was married okay wow and i mean i'm only doubling down on this because i remember that ivan brought it up because i had said some conversations about tation i was like what are some of these guys talking about and then looking back it's the same with zach i'm like i just wanted to like they're the ones doing all the talking. What do they actually know about Tayshia? Well, but did Zach say anything that would make you question? Zach's a smart, quiet guy.

He just sits and observes? He didn't talk about him and Tayshia much at all. He, like, deflected that. I mean, he was like, I don't care what you guys are talking about you know he was very quiet about taisha oh that makes sense to me that usually in my experience that that tells me that he took that relationship very seriously and it was probably different than the rest at least from zach's point of view i my guess is zach felt like his connection with Tayshia was drastically

different than any one else's. We all did though. Everybody did. No, I know everyone does, but Zach's the guy though. Zach's the guy that Tayshia probably needs, but she might not necessarily want,

I mean, she wants like, she's had the loud guy. She's had the fun, crazy ones. Not saying Zach's not fun and crazy but he's older he's not like i mean he's not changing much i mean zach is zach uh like i felt like she was trying to want zach and she knew he's best for her that's kind of what i thought she was

like this guy's safest best for me which isn But, you know, you could tell she want like she entertained. She wanted the opposite kind of guy as well. What about Brendan? Dude, I think so. After the first one on one, she was head over heels and Brendan. Everybody knew it. We were like, oh, Brendan's got this in the bag week one. Really?

Yeah. Everybody knew it. But then Brendan fell off like we like brendan fell off with tasha honestly that's why we kind of thought brendan was going home towards the middle because we were like she had that with that spark with him but now it's like what's happened since that first week now it's like three weeks later however long it's been so from i think he fizzled out at the end if that's what you're asking okay but he's still there so maybe something happened after you left okay i don't know see i

don't know what happened once i left i yeah i only know like but it's what you saw what you saw zach was head over heels ben i felt like he was trying to convince himself that he wanted i'm not saying he didn't like her he wanted to convince himself that he wanted, I'm not saying he didn't like her. He wanted to convince himself that he wanted to like somebody like Ben was Ben. Yeah. But what about, so like Brandon, like I'm watching it and I'm always, I think fizzled out. Yeah. But do you, is there a chance? Because, you know, he's still there. He's top three. He could still win this thing. Uh, you know, and, and fairness to you, Noah,

there's a lot that you don't get to see right like even when you're on the show like you're clearly very observant but like maybe brandon like i know that there's things that you don't know and i know this because like after i got off the show like some of the guys like i remember having conversations with my friends like my best example is my buddy Jared, who was on Caitlin's season with me, right? He was top four. He was very into Caitlin.

And then when we met up after the show, I like told him everything and his mind was blown by like, because I just didn't share a lot, right? At the time. And he just made a lot of assumptions. And what he saw was, you know, his version of that. You know, everyone has their own version. So is there any chance that now that you left that Brandon is, he was just more quiet and stayed out of the drama.

Meanwhile, while you're there, it was a lot of Bennett and Noah arguing and that you just didn't have time to pay attention to the connection he was building with Tisha. Of course. No, of course. There's that chance. There's so much that goes on that I didn't see. But Brandon's the most chill dude on the show by far. He's just chilling always. But I start I think that based off of our conversations, he started to realize, like, all right, I've already been engaged.

I've already been married. I've already been married. It was tough. I'm about to do a blind shot in the dark for another engagement that I'm going to have to get my family involved. And I think Tayshia had these same thoughts. Like it's getting real now. Like as the end, you could tell Brendan something switch where he's like,

Oh, it's getting real now. Like, do I really want this? That's just what I thought. I don't know what they talked about. It's a very, I can't tell. It's a very interesting dynamic. I don't know what they talked about. I can't tell.

It's a very interesting dynamic. Go ahead. What I do know is they showed a clip of me saying, if anything, I'm just getting started. I'm going to double down. And it made it look like I was talking about being the villain. What I was talking about was like, hey, listen, if all of us are being serious with ourselves, we think we're going to get engaged. Why don't we act like we already are? Like, why are we dicking around with all this stuff? Like, I'm just getting started. Tayshia's going to know exactly how I am.

And I'm going to set the bar high, and I expect you guys to set the bar higher, and we just keep doing this. Zach was one that ran with that. Ben was one that ran with that. You see that. Ivan, the man was smooth the whole time but on the low key but he realized he wasn't the only one in the game and Brendan I think was kind of like

I don't know like I don't know if I want to double down on that or not yeah no it makes a lot of sense right and it works like in that world you kind of have to just say fuck it I'm gonna go for this like you can be the like this is crazy this is Like, I don't know if I can do this, but like, you just decide to say, I'm going to go for it and see what happens. And it's, it's interesting. The one thing that I was happy about is I told Taysha like this, and you're getting all of me, you're getting the good, the bad. And I was the only contestant that had an argument in an awkward situation with Tayshia.

I'm like, this is what real life is going to be like. I want to know how she handles conflict. But she's going to know exactly how I am. I don't care. And if she doesn't like me, she'll send me home. And obviously I get sent home in the end, but I don't have regrets about any of it. No, I love that. I think that's great.

I think you played it well. And I think, you know, I hope to see you on Paradise. My guess is you'll get an opportunity. And if you are asked to go on, do you plan on going on? I think I will. I need some sleep and I need to, work out a little before, but you know, why not? Where I'm at is why not? Like, unless between now and then I find some girl that I like fall madly in love with and I'm head over heels. And that's, that's the only reason I wouldn't do

it. Well, I think you should go. If you're asked, I think you will find that you probably have a really good time. And you're a perfect example of someone who goes on the show. And like I called you a manufactured villain last week. Like you're clearly not like you're not like you're a bad dude. Like you can be abrasive. You can be aggressive. And some people can find that to be off-putting or standoffish. But like clearly talking to you, you're an interesting guy. You're probably someone who's a lot of fun to hang around with chris harrison

loves you um and if you go on the show it's those type of personalities that over time people get to see all of you right like not everyone's going to listen to this podcast right who watches the show even though they should but like the people who, the people, the people like who only watched, you know, you on the best red. They're like, I don't know about that. No,

our guy, like you'll hopefully go on paradise and they'll see a different side of Noah. Not that you know anything about that. Don't get to know, know more. And I think, I think,

I think paradise will, will serve you, serve you well. I hope so. That's, that's why I like doing these podcasts, like talking to you. Like people have only seen me basically be a dick or some like freaking

conniving little tool. I don't know. I like was stirring the pot the whole time. They see me doing all these smug. I make a weird face apparently on TV, a smug, like smirk all the time. Like,

Oh, I'm going to get you guys. Like, I like that. I'm able to at least show more about me and i said like and i wish you could see more about me would you agree and i'm you know would you agree that even though it was like an isolated part of you right and that's what they showed over and over like the smug looks like you have that ability to be that person.

Right. Like you, I mean, yes and no. Yes or no. Like, yeah, of course I do.

The show, the show like condenses life into this month or two months and your real side will show out inside that you didn't know will show. Like apparently I can be a little prick sometimes. I didn't know that, but I, now I know now I can get the smug little, like, want to punch me in the face look. Now I know.

You know, I'm sure it's already been there. I just haven't seen it. I've never been on TV. It is interesting, before I let you go, the thought about you mentioned Brendan and Tayshia, is that it's clear that Tayshia, and I've said this before, I think Tayshisha very much likes the idea of things right you know she uh the way things look i think matter to taisha more than

the other person she's certainly not the only one we all like how things look right i mean that's but i think taisha a lot and so and and like a lot of people tasha judges herself for being divorced you know more probably more than she should but there is a stigma she she even plays into herself and so you know she gets the call to be the bachelorette oh yeah of course yeah wait i'll when when do you need me there right she shows up it's great and now like you said it's it's getting real for Tayshia, right? And now it's like, fuck, you know, I'm going to get engaged to one of these guys. Family's going to be involved too. And I want it to work. And I don't want this to not work.

And I wouldn't be shocked if Tayshia thinks a failed engagement is as much of a scarlet letter as a failed marriage. It's not, you know, and I hope Tayshia doesn't judge herself for that, but I can see her being hypercritical of herself and her choices. And I think that will be interesting. And it is interesting that you have someone like Brendan, who's similar in that regard in terms of just self-conscious about, you know, his past and wanting it to work out. And yeah, it gets real fast at the end at the, at the end. You don't really think you're like, it's a show, right. You're like at the show, but then when you get to the end, you're like, no, this is real actually. I mean, there's going to be a ring involved.

And I do think Tayshia, just like Brandon, I think Tayshia showed up wanting to fall in love, do the whole thing. Right. I said on my way or towards the end of my time there, I told Ivan, cause I talked to him a bunch. I'm on my way – or towards the end of my time there, I told Ivan because I talked to him a bunch. I'm like, dude, listen, she's – I know she wants this to work out and wants me in love and all these things, but she doesn't know what she wants right now, honestly. I could tell that, and I'm not going to fault Bennett or any –

the whole process I could tell it's getting real for her. I don't think she knows what she wants, and I don't think she's the only one. I kind of think Brandon was was the same all right uh no we're gonna play a quick little game with you before we let you go it's called do you know me it's real simple i'm gonna ask you a question does noah this does noah that has noah ever this don't answer the question right away chrissy and i are going to guess the answer and then after we guess you let us know who's right or wrong. If you have an anecdotal story feel free to share or you can just simply

answer yes or no. Alright, alright. I like it. Chrissy's smiling. Question number one. Has Noah ever been to the hospital from drinking too much? noah ever been to the hospital from drinking too much has noah ever been to the hospital i'm gonna say no i'm gonna also say no can hold his liquor

and uh absolutely not never i would be so embarrassed i see that in the er too and the funny thing is taisha just on ellen said most likely to get drunk on at a rose ceremony is noah and i think she forgot that ed was always i was gonna say my call drinking asleep or blitz or something so she said that i'm like but no no shot i'll i don't drink like that honestly i definitely drink but i'm never like super drunk or anything like that no shot because i work in the hospital I'm never super drunk or anything like that. No shot. Because I work in the hospital. I'd be embarrassed.

Question number two. Has Noah ever gone to therapy? Not including talking to a therapist on The Bachelor. I'm going to say no. Yeah, I'm going to say no. But he'll need it in like 10 years. Yeah, right. He's got enough siblings to be his therapist i'm not above it at all i feel like i'm normally the one doing the therapy though like i don't know i feel like people know you can i'm not above it i just have never been to

therapy now sure okay we'll see after this and bachelor in paradise and all that you know question number three has noah ever had sex on a futon or a bunk bed? I'm going to say yes. I'm going to say yes, too. Anybody who went to college did. Or if you have a lot of siblings, there's certainly bunk beds involved at some point. You got to sneak around.

What, so now you're having sex next to your family? I mean, I have never had sex in my parents' house. Twins, of course. No, I never have, actually. actually honestly that's a whole nother topic i pretty much didn't have sex for a long time and i i still try not to which is funny interesting story you know different time but no i never have when you say you try not to have my twin you know having sex on the bunk beds you never had that when you say you try not to have sex, what do you, what do you mean? Uh, it's just personal and kind of religious reasons.

And you know, I'm like, I'm wanting to get married and I'm, I think like having sex isn't hard. Every guy can say that. I want to like, I want to have sex with my wife and get crazy. You know,

we'll stack bunk beds and have sex on all four. Why didn't you say that on the fucking bachelor? No, I said a lot of things, you know, a lot of, it's not all four. Why didn't you say that on the fucking bachelor? No, I said a lot of things, you know, a lot of, it's not all shown. Wow.

You want to say that again? Because the women want to hear it. Yeah. What about stacking? Oh, listen, no, about,

about saving yourself. You're not, you have, you didn't say it. You're not a virgin, right? No, I'm not a virgin,

but you, you want to, I think there's a lot to sex. Like, I'm not someone that just likes to just go have sex. Obviously, I like sex, but I'm not just having sex just because. I think it's more special than that. You would like to save some of those kinky stories for your wife? Yeah.

I reserve a lot for my wife. Some random chick's not going to get every side of me. Oh, Noah. Now I'm falling in love with noah oh dang it now dang it i'm in love got it uh this is kind of a uh well question number four has noah ever had a broken heart i honestly don't know about this i'm gonna say yes especially after the conversation we just had i'm gonna say yes yeah um yeah i'd say i mean i've definitely been in love and i've definitely had a burn i mean it depends how far you want to take broken heart i've definitely felt some felt some sting and really you know been down about uh about a person i i mean i get through life like to me i'm like pushed through everything it doesn't matter it'll all work out but i've

definitely been you know lost some sleep over a girl which i love my sleep you do but no sleep loss over bennett no bennett and no benn Bennett lost sleep over me, though, dude. I added wrinkles to those 36-year-old that face. I think we'll just end it with a broken heart. Oh, of course. You're going to do that. You're not going to do a funny one to end it. You're going to end with a broken heart. You want a funny one?

Yeah, do something fun. Well, tell us... I can't have Chrissy thinking I'm just a broken-hearted fool. Tell us the most we won't even go tell us the most what's one thing about yourself i know it's a bit loaded but you know the most interesting fun thing about yourself you know here's a show that shows 10 of your personality give us another percent of noah that we haven't had a chance to to show or appreciate i think uh people would be so surprised some of my closest friends know this but people would be so surprised uh how much of a like

deep thinker i am and how analytical i actually am people think i just do whatever and like just shot from the cannon you know but uh i don't know i'll stay up all night talking to my friend four in the morning talking to my friends that Four in the morning, talking to my friends. That doesn't surprise me at all. I'm just a lot deeper, I feel like, than people would think. I like to have fun. No doubt about that, but I think I'm a lot deeper than people think.

I'm glad you got a chance to say that. It doesn't surprise me. Again, I thought you handled yourself really well in the tell-all. Yeah, y'all are good at reading people. You guys do well. Seeing both sides of my eye they do pretty good they they i mean you're you're pretty much spot on almost always 60 of the time it works every time you know you're pretty spot on you want to say that again i'm i'm spot on all the time 60 of the time 60 every time no you're pretty spot i'm gonna give you like 75 80

percent you're pretty like even the behind the scenes stuff i'm like oh it's a pretty good read i don't know if they have intel or what but you guys i've been i've been very spoiled free i don't really you know you guys have a good read oh tell me before even some stuff about me i'm like well it's pretty good uh you were uh can you take your shirt off for a second? You've been branded, yes? Oh, yeah, I do. Wait, what's happening? How'd you know that? How'd you know that?

I got some intel over the weekend. Yeah, so they didn't know that. They didn't know that it was one of the executive producers that actually was like in the show. Go up to the camera. I can barely see it. All right, hold on. Oh, my God, god what is happening this just turned sultry you've been branded files yeah well you have a cross you've been branded with a cross

uh how why tell us the story all right quick story is uh road trip with my best friend and my twin across the U S you can't believe my second podcast had ever been on them shirtless. Uh, but, uh, like I quit my job. It was before he started college. We had no plans. We were just going to end up in, in California. The whole thing took like a month, just sleeping in the car, doing crazy stuff in sedona my friend was like hey if i buy this brand will you get a brand i was like absolutely not you know this is a frat boy too everybody they thought it was fun to get branded so i'm like no so he's like i'll buy it if you do it i'm like all right fair enough like two and a half weeks later yeah i'm at ease i'm like all right twist my arm yeah i'll get branded so like two and a half weeks later we're on a beach in la jolla bonfire random chicks a random trucker ended up getting brand with us which is another crazy story nobody even knew him he just wanted a brand always had since he was like a kid uh but he pulled it out and was like no you said and it was our last night so we put in the fire uh my twin and him got each got one on their arm.

We all did it to each other. And honestly, my dad, my family, my parents, friends think it's a stupid thing I've ever done. I like it. No tattoos, but I have a brain. No tattoos. So yeah, it's for the memories. And honestly, yeah, it just, it's there.

It's not going anywhere. X marks the spot. I did get in the ocean right after. Oh, it of cool it's a cross over your heart i'm gonna i dig it did it hurt man or did you have to put like ointment on it did it right after like right when it happened it didn't hurt um but like every day after that it was terrible because i was playing volleyball and one time my wetsuit got stuck to it while surfing i had to rip it that it was terrible because i was playing volleyball and one time my wetsuit got stuck to it while surfing i had to rip it off it was miserable after for like two weeks um all one of the first times i ever cried was because of this brand i uh i was making out like

kissing this girl and she scratched my back and i forgot I had a brand and she went across it and my body like went into shock to start crying but like it hurt yeah poor Noah did does Tasha know you have a brand I think she asked about it and I deflected the question wow I don't remember it's all a blur well Noah it's been a pleasure talking to you. Thanks for being so honest with your assessment, not only with your time on the show, but as some of the other guys. Do you know the ending? Don't say what it is, but do you know?

I don't. I have a hunch. So tell me your hunch then. Yeah. If you're spoiled free, I would like to hear. No, I don't know the ending. I don't i have a hunch so tell me your hunch then yeah if you're spoiled free i would like to hear no i don't know the ending okay then i would like to know what you think happens i think and i'll leave names out i guess uh or should i not no i think you should leave names okay i think she wants to date zach i don't think she ends up engaged i think she either ends up nothing or is like, okay, I'll date Zach

and we'll see how it works out. I couldn't see her getting engaged, honestly. I mean, that makes sense. So you think Zach is the winner then? Yeah. I don't think it's Ivan. Brendan was – I don't think Brendan actually towards the end was ready to get married to her.

Ben will be interesting. I think Ben comes back. Ben's been kicked off the show, but I would be blown away if he doesn't come back. He has to. She already called him out for not trying. But at the end of the day, I don't think she wants to marry Ben. No, I think it's a good guess.

She definitely likes him. I would probably agree with you at this point and you're 75% right so that means we're pretty good odds I was shocked Ben went home I was shocked I thought he was top two for sure if you

knew Ben and you knew her and you realize once it starts to get down to the nitty and gritty you wouldn't be surprised no thank you for clearing the air her and you realize once it starts to get down to the nitty and gritty, you wouldn't be surprised. No. Thank you for clearing the air on that. Cause,

uh, yeah, it's nice to hear those, uh, behind the scenes. All right, buddy. Thank you very much. I appreciate it.

Uh, best of luck. Uh, thank you for, uh, on the front lines of fighting COVID. Thanks for doing, you know,

for in all seriousness, things that really matter, uh, and doing those things. Um, and, um, yeah, I appreciate it. Yeah, absolutely. Uh, I thought you guys are awesome. Thanks for having me on here. Uh, I love being able to like actually share what I have to say instead of relying on somebody's edit, you know, but yeah, appreciate you having me on it was a blast it was it was fun to have you thanks you thank you guys for listening i hope you enjoyed getting to know uh no no a little better uh big week next week a lot of bachelor next week we uh will have be breaking down the last two episodes on monday well tuesday night with sarah silverman

breaking down the finale of The Bachelor. And on Wednesday's episode, we don't know who it's going to be, but we'll be having a conversation with whoever Tayshia's runner-up is. And no spoilers, but you think all the drama ends when Bennett and I go home?

It just gets started. It's just a different kind of drama. Great. Can't wait. And whoever Tayshasha's runner up is we will be having the pleasure of speaking with them and I think it's an exclusive thank you Warner Brothers for being so kind to let us have that conversation

other than that we will send in your questions asknickatcastme.com cast with a K and if there's nothing else we will see you on Monday.