The Viall Files - E225 The Bachelor Recap With Teddi Mellencamp

Episode Date: January 19, 2021

Teddi Mellencamp joins us once again on tonights episode of The Bachelor recap. As a Bachelor super fan Teddi does not hold back on all of her takes when it comes to Queen Victoria, Katie standing in the corner of the room waiting for her time, Sarah’s intentions and how she was spoken to, and her pick for the season … Rachael! Nick and Teddi break down all the drama of the night, make their predictions for the season, and do not shy away from their opinions.  “The most dangerous predator on the food chain is a group of people on the bachelor who smell blood.” Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes.  THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: ShipStation: http://www.shipstation.com use code VIALL to get a 60 day free trial.  Best Fiends: Download Best Fiends FREE today on the Apple App Store or Google Play.  Helix Sleep: http://helixsleep.com/VIALL for up to $200 off and two free pillows. Each & Every: http://EachandEcery.com/VIALL for 30% off today.  Episode Socials:  @viallfiles @nickviall @teddimellencamp See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

What's going on everybody welcome to another episode of the vile files I'm your host Nick and I am joined by Chrissy my producer over in there Montana hello Nicholas hi Chrissy uh got the the the syndicate also in studio today helping us uh with all things social media and uh names and pop culture information pop culture information they're full they're full of knowledge but when it comes to The Bachelor, they're helping with me getting names right. There's a lot of names. Anywho, we have a really fun and fantastic episode for you,

recapping episode three of Matt James' season. Teddy Mellencamp is here. She is a big Bachelor fan, and she is wildly invested into the season and she comes guns a-blazing with her hot take. To say the least. And so it was a lot of fun and I found myself agreeing with some things Teddy said and disagreeing,

but it was a lot of fun to have that discussion with her. So I'm sure you're all uh interested in hearing what we thought about all the drama that uh sarah brought uh to the table today and we get right into it before we do just a reminder go back and check out our ass nick episodes that uh dropped this morning if you're looking for more relationship stories drama people's lives falling apart uh Sarah's did in this episode. Way to put it. And then I fix it for them.

You got to call Sarah now and fix her life. Sarah, you're welcome to call in if you're listening. Also, tune in tomorrow for a fun and fantastic episode with Dr. Alexandra Solomon, who is a very talented and successful professor at Northwestern University who teaches a very popular class, world-renowned, teaches a world-renowned class called Marriage 101. And we get into all things relationships, early dating relationships, marriage relationships. We talk about pornography and how that plays a role in relationships and self-awareness in relationships. So it's a very fun episode

and it's great to have someone like herself who's an actual expert when it comes to those types of things. And I think you'll all enjoy it. So be sure to check that out tomorrow. Anything else that we're missing? Obviously we have merch available on our website vilefiles.com if you're looking for

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You know, it's pretty great now that I get to discuss The Bachelor. Welcome back. I know when you came on here for our interview, I felt like you just really wanted to come back for this, so we're glad to have you. I mean, that was the sole reason I came on for the first interview. Let's be real.

Are you enjoying the season so far? You know what? I am because last season was rough for me. I wasn't fully all in, but this one, I'm really. I mean, not to spend too much time on it, but any reasons why? I think that when it starts out and I'm not loving it, then I have a hard time continuing on. So I just kind of like let it peter off. So Claire ruined it for you?

I like Claire. It's not necessarily about that. But I just was like. What was it about? There was no suspense for me at the beginning. I didn't care about any of the guys. I didn't care about who, you know, I was just care about who she... You know, I was just done. Did you watch the whole thing?

No. You gave up? I gave up. I gave up before Claire even left with Dale. Oh, so you didn't see any of Tayshia? No. It was pretty good. So that's why I'm extra inspired.

So you're really... For this season. This season has delivered what we... I think some of us hoped and and and all i myself included and i know kazzy and i talked about this it's it's incredibly petty childish drama well and it's a ton of fun well i think it's great because everybody's been so cooped up that like everyone's super crazy do you think it's because they're in a hotel and not because of the cast well i think it's because of the cast but i think all of i mean everybody i know at least

has like these extreme highs and lows right now because of the pandemic and all these things in their life so i think all of a sudden they're now i mean i personally i see about six people right now so if all of a sudden i was put in a group of however many 30 or whatever it is i'd probably go a little crazy too i mean makes sense you're you're out you're ready let's do this i don't think we're giving the women enough of credit for for being caddy i mean kit came in and she was ready she was calling and i mean i love nepotism as much as the next one. But I was like, whoa, sister, you're coming in hot. Are you referring to her mom?

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, believe me, I I'm the same. I have the same thing. So I was kind of like, all right, Kit, let's do this. And then I was like, OK. Yeah. She she made a little bit of an impression but a big one like it was very little

in terms of airtime but yeah wow what she i mean i think the impact when was the last time you saw something like legit threaten someone on the on the show it's been a while they're they're not afraid to throw around some curse words either. Like to really go for it. Like, and just with hate. Yeah. Well,

again, I'm really enjoying it. I mean, I love every second of it. So the episode opens up with Sarah recovering from her her fainting spat

performance episode medical situation. I'm not sure what we we call it we are all wondering you know the legitimacy of it and uh after seeing this episode do you have any thoughts on whether it was authentic it was the first time she claimed it was the first time she's ever fainted now you know maybe like i would i'd find it more believable if she's like hey listen i'm anemic uh from time to time if i get nervous or stressed i can faint it's like oh but she was like first time ever but i have a question did she actually faint or did she just get a little woozy i don't know i mean that's that's the discussion i know i i know

there's been moments where like i have like gone to do a talk i remember i went on wendy on Wendy Williams once and I was nervous before I went out because I was about to have to talk about something. And I remember before I walked out, I had like blacks over my eye. Like I kind of blacked out like and I was like, oh, no, you got you actually have to speak and do this. And I remember feeling lightheaded, but I didn't faint. I like took a sip of water and continued walking on and like pulled it together. So that's my curiosity. I didn't see that fainting moment. If you faint, you're kind of like there's a.

Yeah, I didn't hear any thud. Agreed. So Sarah needed to bust her head open for you to believe. She just needed. I mean, she's standing in heel. She's probably had some beverages. Maybe she got a little lightheaded. Let's call it what it is. You got a little lightheaded. Let's call it what it is.

You got a little lightheaded and you need to take a seat. That's fine. Well, I think it's clear after watching this whole episode is that Sarah doesn't downplay situations or her feelings. It's also clear that Sarah does a lot of this. Like, I was like, if there's any more breathing and i don't see a tear come out of that eye i need to get closer i mean i have never gotten closer to tv screen looking for a tear to drop i didn't see it she cried now this episode water came out during the fine the ending goodbye not one drop of water there was a lot of so you what i cried she was sarah

cried also i'm i will defend sarah you don't need to cry in order to feel emotion some people are some people are not if you're shaking and breathing to such extent tears have to come out in my opinion like the first thing i say to my kids when my son's like mom i don't want to do that i go i i don't see one tear all right i hurt myself i mean i don't want to give you parenting notes but i just feel like demanding your kid to cry in order to give them validation seems a bit intense no but throwing a fit with no tears and it's just like hysteria to me it's well maybe you're acting a touch there's a childlike sense in sarah in terms of how she handles her emotions i i will agree with you there i wish she would have led with when she originally broke up that date well let's hold on back me up i know i get it we're let's you lead you lead the

way but yeah we'll we'll get into we'll we'll spend most of this time talking about okay fine sarah i digress but uh let's let's uh let's cover the um the rest of the episode first we we start you know so what you know sarah's fine you know and we're not so shocked that victoria got a rose um some very quiet very beautiful women went home, which is usually par for the course for this time of the season. It's pretty typical. And it's not even uncommon. A lot of times people will be shocked early on that, like,

these attractive people, whether it's the Bachelor or Bachelorette, go home. And I think it's because a lot of times those people don't get any time. Well, the lead is not maybe as into them as maybe three or four other people and they probably came into the show being like not wanting to fight i don't i if you like if they like me great if not i'm just gonna keep to myself and it's time it's time to go so they go in with a good self-confidence they're like he's probably gonna be into me and then when he isn't they're just retreat and then they Yeah. I mean, like anytime something comes up, they're just kind of hide into the corner. So we kick off the next week.

We got my friend Ashley, which seems like a nice date for Ashley to lead. Talking about she was like, it's like novel porn, I guess. Right. Is that what do we call it? Novel porn. It's like it's I'm pretty. I'm pretty sure I could have done what Ashley did. But if I would have had to come in as one of those women and and actually do that, I probably would have rather go home.

I found you don't think you could have embraced it. Sexy about any of those women doing any of that. I wasn't sexy. It was fun. I personally thought it was a great date in general. sexy. It was fun. I personally thought it was a great date in general. I love that the show is, while very slowly, becoming more progressive, more sex positive. Here's a show that traditionally is very buttoned up, old school dating, sometimes had a history of almost low-key shaming sex, of almost low-key shaming sex you know especially when it came from uh you know uh when it was seemed to be instigated by the women on the show and yet here you have an episode where it was in a very positive light had a bunch of women talking about their sexual fantasies and i think that's a good message but i don't think they were actually talking about their sexual

fantasies other than my girl rachel, who I thought did it great. Of course she would like. I was like, Rachel. Oh, my God. Katie was the best. You thought Rachel, who couldn't express herself more than calling it her groin area. Oh, I forgot that she said that. Was the best one.

I mean, again, this was meant to be fun and lighthearted with an opportunity to just like kind of go for it. I thoughtachel was fine in fact i was kind of cringy when rachel went up because i thought they were kind of setting it up for like a really awkward situation rachel takes herself very very seriously i love people that take themselves very seriously okay well that's the tracks then um she takes it like also rachel has this really weird habit of complimenting herself by her own account. She tried harder than anyone else on the, uh, first date last week. And then also this week, she also, once again, was very proud of herself.

She's really good at pointing out how well she does. Well, she just wants to reiterate it. She's like a teacher. She's like, if I keep saying it, then soon everybody will believe it. And you know who believed it? Me. I am a fan of Rachel. I'm going to say it right now. I think she's in it to win it. Oh, I agree she's in it to win it. And I think, I'm not a man, but if I were to pretend that I was deciding which one of those women I would want to be with to marry or whatever, I would want to have more of the allure of what our sex life could potentially be

than being over the top and trying to fake it. And I don't know. Then no one you want to slap on the ass? Again, I'm not necessarily speaking to what Matt should or shouldn't like. I'm just talking about from a TV standpoint, I thought it was a great date. like i'm just talking about from a tv standpoint i thought it was a great date i thought just having a bunch of young women uh talking about sexual fantasies and and making it a positive thing rather than something that people could or should shame i thought it was a generally a good positive message i like the the dildo conversations i like the the sex talk not necessarily because it's supposed to be

like sexual but i think that's a a part of any relationship and i think it also gives the conversation it allows us to have see what matt's into what matt is attracted to right these are conversations we don't tend to have on the bachelor before this early on to like, I mean, when was the last time you got to see on this show a bunch of women open up about their sexual fantasies and how that might play a role in a relationship? I get that. And I enjoyed watching it and from like an awkward viewer. And I appreciate the television aspect, but I don't think a lot of these women were being real about their actual sexual fantasies. And I still don't know how Matt feels about the dildo.

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Like, what was the one that you were like, wow, she knocked it out of the park? I guess I wasn't necessarily ranking them. You know, they were just, I thought overall, the quality and the, like, I liked how all the women embraced it. I liked how all the women were like, you how i liked how all the women were like you know what this is awkward this is weird and instead of kind of crawling up and they they went for it and even rachel to her credit she was probably more than anyone the most like uncomfortable with it and nervous about it and she definitely seemed like while she was running it it's like what would my well i don't want to embarrass my parents type of like in her head but she still did her best i just

think that was i liked how i'm really glad there was no like really awkward uh situations where it was very awkward i thought it was great no how yeah if if If Victoria isn't an actual plant to be on the show, I mean, I spent the time to go onto her Instagram, look back years as far as it goes, wonder why some photos, commentings turned off. Like, I am invested. Like, I need to know, like, what did the queen do before this? If the queen isn't an actor, I need to know.

I agree with Nick. I thought it was great she's not what and now listen that well you just made my point you just made my point of why she is a valuable person on this season so far she might be toxic in real life she might not necessarily have the highest character i don't know but you just admitted i mean stalking her instagram page for like but here's the difference i stalked it but i didn't follow okay that's even worse but i'm admitting it that here's i actually liked her the most it was during that her sex talk than any other time on the show. Because I did like that. She ended it with like, yes, queen. And I laughed and all the things.

I like the way Anna ended it as well. She said something funny, tied it back to the show, like getting the rose or something like that. I mean, overall, I thought all the women were great in their own way. That's all I'm saying. But yes, I thoughtoria's was funny and you can tell which i think is interesting going like what a drastic change because it's pretty clear that a lot of the women actually like victoria i think they like her because they're like few if she does this then we don't have to because you know when you're in a tv setting there's that pressure

of like someone's got to bring it right now i'm just talking about in general you can tell like you look at the group you look at the groups and you look how they interact they they think she's funny i mean they're not threatened by her and they think she's funny and and so but that's the reason they're not threatened by her everybody knows victoria's not gonna win fine i'm just saying what but it's important when you're watching the show to see who the group likes because who the group lights will dictate, like where, where you're like the group hates Sarah.

Right. So Sarah left because she basically got bullied to leave. Well, she may be have her own issues, but like they were like fucking leave or we'll kill you. Yeah. You're dead to us. But do you think that maybe it's just because all of a sudden, like they all like fucking leave or we'll kill you you're dead to us but do you think that maybe it's just because all of a

sudden like they all had a common enemy that's why they started liking Victoria because the week before they didn't but like all of a sudden they all had a common enemy so all of a sudden like Victoria was part of the group again Victoria was the one interrupting everybody the week before and entering other people's little private time but all of a sudden Victoria

has a lot to say about Sarah doing it I'm like well you were just doing it before they're even more obnoxiously in my opinion the most dangerous predator on the food chain is a group of people on the bachelor who smell blood that's i mean more than any other predator out there it's a strength in numbers if if if they sense weakness in someone else the group will go after that it's like a virus yeah um she did it and sarah did it to herself but nevertheless um that's how it works every season that's what happened to me in andy season that's what happened to me when i showed up on Caitlin season. It's just, you know, they they they look for weakness and the group turns into like a one one large organism and then attacks whatever they think they can kill. And has there ever been a situation in The Bachelor where you can just choose to not have roommates and all of that? I'm so confused.

Like Marilyn and the queen get in an argument. She's booted out. She's sleeping on the couch. It appears that Sarah's in a room by herself. Like Marilyn and the queen get in an argument. She's booted out. She's sleeping on the couch. It appears that Sarah's in a room by herself. Like, does this happen? Well, they're in a hotel complex. So my guess is there's, no one really has their own room. And if they have their own room, it's going to be used as part of the show.

Right? So here's a situation. Most, again, you go like most people on the show. It's, they kind of follow along with whatever is going on. There's an organizational structure. There's beats like a show. Right. And people ask about like, again, producer influence. So like Sarah doing her thing, it was kind of likened a little bit to Corinne on my season. It's not the producers telling Corinne to sleep it's corinne being the type of personality to be like i don't care what the group's doing this is what i'm going to do and so

instead of say producers saying you can't do this they're like well let's just use it let's see where this goes you know what i'm saying most people follow suit corinne on your season i get that i'm just saying in terms of when you see things happen right so sarah isolating herself is sarah's choice and then you see it happen but most of the time my guess is there's two to a room here in this situation it's a hotel right they're not going to give anyone their own room unless someone's like i'm not sharing a room and then they again you could use that you use that to like see where it goes. They follow the drama. To get yourself bullied out. All right, all right.

Yeah. So that's kind of how it works. We see for the first time Sarah cracking while she's watching all these people talk about their performances or their fantasies I guess with Matt and so yeah we see the cracks and then all of a sudden go into the cocktail party of the group date where Sarah is supposed to go back

with who else besides Sarah is not on the date we got was it was um that really matters but there's a handful of other women yeah interestingly enough brie was on this date did brie and sarah both get one so brie's had a one-on-one sarah's had a one-on-one brie did they get in the same week was it the same well we're only in episode three so yeah

yeah it was both last week so i like brie brie's amazing but i think i only point that out because you know sarah has an argument her sarah's argument is and there's a lot of truth to it is none of these other women can relate to the time that i've had with matt right right except for brie brie is the only one in the house who can relate and how it works like in that show is like think of it this it's like it's like once your start button is hit, you're on a path, right? And none of these women's start button really happens until you get some real quality time. And then once your start button hits, you can't stop it. You're going to start falling in love.

Your relationships are going to progress. Most of these women, they're still sitting at neutral. I thought it was a great line that really articulated what it's like to be on that show. Is it Anna? going to progress most these women like they're they're they're still sitting at neutral i thought it was a great line that really articulated what what it's like to be on that show is is anna she said uh time is the greatest currency in the show and and sarah's a billionaire and we all have a dollar and that's truly how it feels in that world where sarah has had one day with matt but to them it feels like she has all this time, Sarah.

And, but Sarah's looking at it as like, you, you, you don't, you don't understand. You will when you get time. But the problem with Sarah is you,

you have one other person, Bree, who can relate and breeze chill as fuck. Yeah. Bree's like, whatever we got this. This is what I don't understand about Sarah. When she went in to talk to matt if the

issue not to be a pessimist or whatever but if it is her father and why didn't she say it then hey i'm really struggling here because i i'm starting to whatever fallen like start to like you whatever it may be that they're going to use instead of love but i i'm starting to get attracted to you but i'm really struggling because I miss home. So question, when specifically did you want her to bring up her date? The first time she came in to interrupt the date and was having her first, when the wheels started coming off. So when she addressed the women,

so after she showed up and crashed the cocktail party, took Matt, when she came back? First, I wanted her to say that to Matt. Hey, Matt, the reason I'm feeling a little needy right now or whatever it is, is because, yes, I'm here for love or whatever it may be, but I am struggling with what I talked to you about

with my dad. I feel like I should be home. But that's assuming that's the reason why. Also, too, she could have said that maybe they didn't hear it. But at the end, she made it sound like that was the reason why also too she could have said that maybe we did they didn't hear it um right but at the end she made it sound like that was the reason why sarah was legit bullied again regardless if she asked for it or not she was legit bullied in the atmosphere and she was literally like even the first time the women yelled at her now other people are going to handle it different differently

people are bullied every season but this was vicious and i think sarah was legit like fuck it i'm out of this shit like kit literally was like your time is going to be we're going to bully you if you stay yeah that's what she legit said that and sarah was like fuck this and she probably and there's probably some truth she's like why am i here i should be spending more time with my dad she probably like and again i'm not in any way defending that sarah seems like a drama queen uh high maintenance in real life like probably a nightmare to date nevertheless but if that was you in that situation you'd want her to come back who sarah what do you mean who am i if you're matt well that's a different discussion. Well, no.

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So Matt's probably just like so early on just being like, just take a beat. So I have to ask as just a viewer, as a man, so being a, when you were the bachelor or Matt or whomever it may be, do you think it's attractive when a woman pulls away from another date?

Pulls away? Like pulls you out from your current... Well, I mean, you're asking me about a real-world situation all while comparing it to the show. If you're asking me, do I think Sarah would be a nightmare to date in real life? I do, yeah. She demonstrated qualities that made me,

you know, reminded me of probably women I dated in my 20s that were, you know, were really good at gaslighting me or making me question my sanity and constantly like complained and about little things and needed attention. And just like, yeah, she seems like she does. She did demonstrate some toxic behavior. But if she was going to come on, even tell the girls when she came to do that, which was the worst she should have, why couldn't she have just been like hey you guys i'm a mess right now i i am a disaster i'm sorry i had to come talk to him i know it was selfish but like truthfully i'm coming unhinged but like they told her to say that they told her they said what was it i want to

make a they kept saying i want to make amends you. Just say you wanted him to make you stay and have his attention. Just say that. But why couldn't she do that? Why? I don't understand. She'd rather just go, oh, oh, I can't, I can't explain it. Well, yes, you can. I mean, one, she could have said it better.

Two, I don't think anything she said would have made two shits differences yeah she could have said nothing and just let Katie stir it for her I mean again I think this is a situation where basically everyone's wrong except for Brie oh I see who's the front I asked before we started today well I mean I got was and you were a little quiet. No, I mean, if you listen to my podcast, you would know that I'm a big fan of. Oh, sorry. You know what? No, Bree Bree is great. But I do think this was a this was a great episode

because there was a ton of drama and it was great. Everyone kind of was a loser in this episode because no one really shined other than well, Katie, I thought Katie shined this episode. A little bit. She was funny on the group date. She went and talked to Sarah afterwards. Like she's the one who like went and talked to her up front, was like, you interrupted me. I'm coming to you as a person.

Like I thought Katie was like kind of like. I thought it was weird that Katie stayed in the room making it. I loved it. Awkward. I was like, get me out of here i know you did but i just i couldn't do it good television i was like and then if how do you not just leave when you're sarah when that's happening when katie's like we good we good i loved that that was amazing when katie was in the back it was amazing i was snapping katie made the best

of a crappy situation but i i mean it was pretty katie let sarah get bullied and then came out she could have why didn't katie stand up for the toxic behavior that was going on in the room i mean i'm just saying if i i will katie was funny i thought that was a great thing and she was okay, but I don't think she gets a gold star for watching it all unfold. Watching Sarah get crucified and then walking out of the room and then saying, I didn't like that. Yeah.

No. Why didn't you do something in the moment when you didn't like, I'm just saying if, I mean, here's the real problem with Katie. He doesn't like her. He just doesn't. She's not going to be in the finals.

No, she's top six. Yeah, top six. So that's, but I also thought it was a little, like she was so to Sarah, like, you've got to stay. I don't want to feel like I'm sloppy seconds if you left and blah, blah, blah. One, like, I don't really agree with that.

But then all of a sudden when she said the dad thing, it didn't seem like it was like a super authentic conversation. Which between Katie and. Between Katie and Sarah. I mean, it's not a coincidence that the Katie, who's we learn father passed away, is the one to go talk to Sarah, whose father is dealing with a very serious illness at sarah originally well she was the one most affected by sarah you know crashing the date it was it was katie's conversation but you know katie does seem one of the she's 29 and in this group that that is one of the the older women in this group uh but either way she seems to be kind of the fun,

kind of good head on her shoulders, you know, woman. And so she isn't as petty or catty as some of the other women seem to be doing. And she's gotten some time with Matt. But when you say, you're just making kind of a general prediction? Yeah, general, like just by vibing. I just didn't see that

connection i like katie if i if i was going to pick one of the girls to be one of my friends katie would be in the top five gotcha that being said i don't think he's into her no i i would agree but i guess you said it as if she because like sometimes uh women or men on this depending on the season will act a certain way as a result of not getting the attention that you're saying. But Katie is operating as if she's one of Matt's favorites. Correct. And good for Katie. Good on Katie for that confidence.

But I guess, in fairness, Katie, she's not seeing what you're seeing on the television screen. That's true. It's true. Katie doesn't. And you're not seeing maybe some moments that were not being aired. That's true. But I will agree. She's probably not going all the way.

She'll go home the week before Hometowns. It's a lock. You think lock Hometowns? No, a week before Hometowns. Oh, a week before. She'll be fine. I be final six she'll go home to roast though she'll be one of the people who gets she'll get like the one-on-one and go home and matt will send her home on the one-on-one that way one-on-one right before the hometowns

that's my prediction with katie uh but yes absolute props for her standing in the doorway while sarah was finishing. By the way, it's been more than five minutes. Like that's going to be me. Have you ever been a Sarah because of your own insecurities or that you sabotaged a relationship?

Because Matt really likes Sarah. I think I've been in situations where I didn't feel like it was reciprocated, but I wouldn't have had the conversations with the guy. I would have just disappeared. Like I didn't feel like it was reciprocated but I wouldn't have had the conversations with the guy I would have just disappeared like I'm more of like you just left I was I'm done like I'm no longer pursuing this situation like I'm not the person that like back in the day was like all right I'm gonna send this text and then count the minutes with

the responses and then do that like if I in, in my world, like you're into me, you're going to write me back. She's a, she's the girl who wakes up next to the guy with the ponytail. Yeah. Like, yeah, we'll give this a shot.

Yeah. Like, come on, you know, like you had to be, I'm pretty direct in general. So, you know,

if I like you or I don't. Well, Sarah, Sarah is direct. I think I was fascinated by the Sarah dynamic because most of the time in these situations, like the lead doesn't really like that person who who who leaves on their own early it's like i don't think she's really even that in but that's the thing she's not really expressing how much she's into matt no what i'm saying is matt really likes her i I mean, very rarely. We talk about, especially recently on all these seasons,

there's these added incentives, if you will, for cast people to go on the show, like right reasons, Instagram followers, et cetera, et cetera. Here Sarah is getting a lot of early validation from Matt. I mean, last week I think most people would have thought Sarah was a frontrunner in Matt's eyes in terms of people Matt was into. You couldn't say there's no one else you could point out that Matt clearly liked him more.

Maybe Brie, maybe Abigail were in like the same ballpark as Sarah, but he was very like. I think Matt's a nice guy. And if you tell him a story that is heartfelt and you open up he's big on this vulnerability thing so if you are a little bit vulnerable Matt likes you you don't she's also not gone for good and as much as I love Brie

she wasn't super vulnerable so I think when you had those two dates at the same time and one person is very vulnerable and really opening up to you and the other one's fun and a good time. I don't know. I'm just saying I met Sarah a lot.

Just that early, he liked her as much as anyone. All right. Certain of it. I mean, usually, think back at other seasons. If someone else would laugh, there's always like, oh, well, you know, are you sure? Because, like, I kind of want you to be here. I know.

And he was like, OK. But it seemed like Matt was disappointed. But I have a question for you. Can we, am I allowed to skip forward to their final conversation or we need to wait? No, go ahead. I think if Matt would have told her to stay again, she would have. I think that's why there was so much breathing so much waiting around you don't think he tried hard enough no well no if he wanted her to stay he could have easily said

like listen enough of this i'm into you stay but why else was she sitting there for so long she certainly wasn't like telling him how great he was she was just like like putting her hand out like waiting waiting give me the validation that i need tell me to stay i'm willing to stay like i think she was wanting to do the exact same thing she did the last time i listen i think it's a really interesting debate because you're watching this episode and the whole time i think everyone is just like wow sarah sucks right and then sarah sucked so much that there was a moment that everyone in veteran a nation like truly hated victoria truly hated victoria and then there was this moment where victoria's talking to sarah and everyone's like oh my god do i agree with victoria in this moment like what the fuck is going on sarah was that bad coming off an episode where everyone's like oh my god she's

pretty she's nice she's a caretaker for her her her sick job all the things she gave up like like what a fall from grace right so she was so bad and then all of a sudden, despite how bad she was, she got straight up bullied and threatened that if you stay, we're going to make your life fucking miserable. And I thought that was fascinating because if you're Sarah, you're just like, I'm not fucking staying. It's like, I'm just going to quit now. But she could have grown a pair in that moment and go, guys, I am.

But she just sat there and took it. Like could have said, like, hey, listen, I understand that you don't understand what I'm going through or having the right communication with you guys. But like, I don't really care what you have to say. Your first time going on national television. You go on, you have all these hopes and dreams. You probably haven't dealt with a lot of, you've probably been the star most of your life. And you go to an atmosphere where everyone who goes on that show was always like, well, I hope I don't look bad. I've seen other people look bad. And then you show up and in one week, everyone in the house is screaming at you and you're just going to like nut up and like

tough it out. I mean, but you know, but she knew doing those, but that's the thing. If you know, doing certain things is going to create this kind of anger towards you, you have the choice to not do them. I don't think Sarah, we're talking to Sarah. I don't think, again, is not self-aware. I'm not defending Sarah. But in that moment, I appreciate why Sarah left. Yes.

And I don't think, I don't think it, I don't know. I don't know for sure. And you're right. Like Chrissy, you're saying that you think Sarah's coming back. I think Sarah's going to come back. I think that she would blow my mind. She's going to go home and be like, oh, my God, I love him. I have to go back.

And I think that's when we're going to see Matt on the curb crying with Chris Harrison. That's what I think. Who is the other one that looks? And then it's possible. And they set it up that way. I don't but i i think sarah would look so bad if she comes back because even when matt was so it was it was weird because i was going through all these like do i how much does sarah suck and then i was just like do i defend her and then so then you have katie talking to her and you're just like oh shit

well fuck like yeah her her dad has lou gehrick's disease and like i fucking get it like her dad like why why would you waste time getting threatened with a bunch of like catty people because like you felt a little insecure like fuck yeah go home and spend time with her and i get it and you have this and then matt comes tries to convince her to stay and i'm just thinking for like like I'm thinking as a person you're just like for Sarah's benefit just go home because if you stay after that you just you just you look like what everyone was thought you might be is someone who's just

so desperate for attention you'll just like make up whatever story you think so if Sarah comes back I don't see a world where she won't be fucking hated oh no she will be hated I can't I don't think Sarah's where she won't be fucking hated. Oh, no. She will be hated. I don't think Sarah's coming back. I just... I do.

I agree with Teddy just because I think it would... Sarah already has been unmasked to not be exactly how she wanted to look, and I just don't think that she's going to come back. I agree with Teddy there. What? I 100% disagree with both of you. I think she went home because it was too much pressure. I mean, what a kid said to her, like, I hope your connection is strong because your living

situation is going to suck. That's why she left. Yeah, I think she was too scared to go back into the house. I don't think if Matt had asked her to stay, she would have stayed again. I think she was too scared to go back in the house. It was too much pressure. So she went home. Not that she used her dad as an excuse, but she realized in her head that this is the time she should be

spending there. And that was her way of getting out. Well, yeah, no, you're right. And that's why I try and come back now because and I think Teddy made a great point is that she had a very specific idea of this was going to go for her and i think that's been sarah's life probably and when it comes to dating uh and it's not going her way and it's possible i want to blow my mind but i think sarah granted that i don't remember every detail of this season but i think sarah was truly hoping like i'm gonna blow the lid off of this and i'm gonna go in with the heavy breathing at matt's apartment or wherever he's staying and he is going to tell me that he's leaving to come with me and we are gonna try this like she wanted some sort of dramatic like I mean enough to him that he'll f everybody else that's

I totally agree with Teddy there like I think she has always gotten the dude that she wants and she was ready and I don't even think she was really into Matt she just wanted that's why she didn't come out and sit with the girls and try to make it right or have a regular conversation like a normal human like she made everything awkward on purpose because she didn't want to be in that setting and she wanted to win sarah's not a girl's girl yeah she's a she's a guy's girl and sarah has a bunch of guy friends and when she meets when she's dating a guy who has girlfriends the girls generally don't don't like her like her and i don't know if sarah's aware of that self-aware that that she's not a girl's girl and yes but i liked sarah at the beginning yeah we all did i was i was again this is one of the biggest fall from graces from one week in Bachelor history.

Name another contestant that both the lead was really into, Bachelor Nation liked, had a really heartbreaking and sad and inspirational story. And then the most hated person on the show, you ended up rooting for her like a half an episode later? I still didn't root for the queen, just saying. But in that moment, you were... But in that moment, you were like, fuck, why do I... I did like nod my head like two times this episode. I was like... Which is a lot.

Yeah, for me, it's huge. If I could see your side, whew. No, it's really quite fascinating fascinating let's spend a little time talking about matt's one-on-one with uh sierra serena serena serena i was so bored on that date okay i was like well serena's great and pretty and smart and all the things but i felt like she was trying to make a joke every time. But then he wasn't laughing at the jokes. And I was like, you got to stop with the jokes.

He's not getting them. Did you even know they were jokes? But she laughed and he didn't. Killed me. They got through. It's like they got through the date so they could get to the drama. They're like, we have to air this. We have to put this part in.

So let's just do this quick and then we'll get down to it. Well, it is The Bachelor they it's about finding love like the most the most exciting thing they had on that date was her teaching him how to put together a meat and cheese board yeah with the jokes again well you guys sometimes you guys forget like on the bachelor like the first third of the season is this silliness we're we're enjoying and seeing and they also have to have like real dates and real conversations that are boring especially compared to what we just saw this episode but it's setting up what we'll see i don't know what their kissing style was also different than i noticed he kissed anybody else it was this weird like pecking into one

another and i was like what's happening are they not using tongues what's going on like the style was completely different so let me ask you this you're pointing out these things that you're you're suggesting that Matt's not really into Serena right is that what you're suggesting yeah or he's just like that he's she's not on his mind right now. He's probably thinking about Sarah. I was watching it and maybe I was just like the way Matt talks about Serena is very specific. And I think on paper, Serena is everything that Matt could want. So do you think Matt's is good at saying really nice things to everyone? I think Matt is a really nice guy. I think he's got a lot of empathy.

I think he knows how to nice guy. I think he's got a lot of empathy. I think he knows how to do all the right things. I think he, you know, even how he said to the women after he went back to check on Sarah when she was in the bedroom in the same sweater, even though I thought it was a different day, but whatever. Saying, guys, if any other of you were feeling this way, I would have done the same thing. I mean, that is like a nice guy thing to say he's definitely a nice guy but her what this is the third one-on-one date that's not nothing they're not just giving that out to like someone Matt's not well no I think he thinks she's cute but I thought that I think that he had more of a connection with brie i i'm just gonna say that i think we should watch out for serena she might surprise us including myself because i didn't see it at first she didn't have a sarah type story or even a breed type story her story was kind of like you know my dad

wants has a plan for me i I have a different plan. Which tells me that she's on that date for no other reason other than Matt likes her. It's not necessarily interesting. It's not the most dramatic. It's not creating any storylines. So the only thing I can think of why she's on that date

is because Matt has a serious interest in her. I agree that it's boring. Or to get back at her ex. Just saying. saying just saying i don't know why she's there i'm telling you why i know why she showed up on the show but all these women would take all the one-on-ones that whether she wants to get back on her ex she she what why she was given the third one-on-one date says a lot and what i'm saying is i don't see other because you could look at brie and say well maybe she got the first one-on-one date because her story was the most relatable to the story that is matt's story of you know my relationship with my mom and my dad etc etc and then the second

date with sarah could be well you know she's got this story about like oh america is gonna love that she is a caregiver with her dad and and then you have serena which is just like huh i i nothing really outrageous and so i'm just simply saying that might mean that that's really into her yeah it might be like a catherine and sean situation where you didn't really see it coming and it comes in i mean just watch watch out for serena i would be surprised. Caught me off guard, but I'm just it's not as if I don't. But I do have another question. The never being in love by 29 years old is also a little suspicious to me.

For Matt? Yeah. Sure. It's a titch suspicious. Like you don't have you can say like, you know, I thought I was in love. Then I realized it was a toxic relationship, whatever it may be. But like by 29, you've probably been in love then I realized it was a toxic relation whatever it may be but like by 29 you've probably been in love once I think it's an interesting storyline and you're right there's a it's something to pay attention to of like why has Matt chosen not to like engage and go for it right like I think because like anyone who's 29 who hasn't been in love has avoided trying to find love to a certain extent.

Because he always likes the Sarahs. Maybe he's addicted to the drama and the crazy. He also heard him mention his family upbringing. Maybe he played a role. Maybe he's got a guard up there. I don't know. And you're right. Maybe he chased the Sarahs.

We've all chased the Sarahahs we all we've all chased the sarahs you know i feel it i and i like matt i just think he's very nice and he's going to he doesn't want to upset anybody so he's going to do whatever he can to not yes i i i agree with a lot that you have to say with serena she caught me off guard i'm just like looking at it analytically and she'll go far i mean compare i mean some of these people on the page i don't even know who they are so and i watched the episode so serena is better off than them probably so let's just talk a little bit more about rachel your your favorite so far why why do you like Rachel so much?

Because when I think about who I would I have to go in as Matt. This is how I have to watch these shows. Okay. And I think about who I would want to spend my time with, who I'd want to learn from, who I'd want to laugh with, who I'd want to explore my sexuality with, whatever it may be. I think Rachel's got it. And because of how she talks

about her groin no the groin was a slip-up we all make mistakes nick she had some she had a good hour to come up with a bunch of different ways to describe it by the way like that is not a good i'll tell you who does rachel i i here's just i don't know why my i just am attracted to her energy overall like i think like they're not showing a ton of her but they're showing enough of little beats of us liking her even though even that first time they hung out i think rachel's probably top four for sure she could be she could be a win she could win i think she could be i i really have just that feeling and it feels effortless with her i completely disagree with. It feels effortless with her. I completely disagree with that.

It feels effortless with her. I think she's very traditionally pretty. Right. And I think that goes a long way on this show of both the lead and Bachelor Nation thinking things are effortless. But if you pay attention to Rachel, like it's not effortless at all. So not effortless that she cried when Matt prayed, and then cried after a paintball or whatever it was, and felt the need to- She's in her feelings, Nick.

No, I'm just kidding. She constantly needs to validate herself. I tried harder than everyone. I mean, maybe she's at a loss of words. Maybe there's- I think we're gonna grow to like her even more i think i don't dislike i think the women like her i think she's funny i don't actually know what she does she's a graphic designer didn't know it but she's from georgia he's also from the south i'm not i'm not convinced the women like her well because they

know that she's probably gonna win also pay attention now now that sarah's gone well you're like it seems like next week the best part of this show is just how like what what the contestants don't realize everyone bullet they bullied whether sarah again does like brought it on herself they bullied sarah out of the house everyone is happy next week it seems like it's going to be the week these new people show up they're all going to be pissed they should all be thankful because it weren't and because all the negative attention is going to go to these new women right right we'll see how long we'll see if any of those women really make a mark it's very different you didn't watch last season but what was interesting about the men who showed up late last season is they were on the same timeline as tasha which is very different than this season

because matt's been the lead the whole time he's been there the whole time so all the new women i don't really think any of them have a real shot i have a question the blonde that they showed by the gate in the preview never been kissed why do i recognize because she was on colton season has never been kissed oh never that was her time that was her job she literally had never been kissed and i guess she kissed colton so now she's like i've been kissed once so is that gonna be her name i don't know well and on this show it will be okay so that's why i recognized her do we recognize anybody else the brunette that seemed a little angry no she just looks like a brunette who goes on the show all right fine okay but i don't think sarah's coming back yeah we i know but now that we're talking about the new girls i are we gonna know i don't

just that blonde never been kissed we'll get to know but it's it will be interesting what i'm saying and to bring that all up is that that might be Rachel saving grace. And you never know. Like I've, I've said this before, like everyone who goes on this show is capable of being a villain and a hero for the most part. Some people just suck. And some,

you know, some people, but like, if you are completely honest about how you feel in every situation, you are going to give context for them to frame and put whatever soundtrack they want over it and rachel traditionally pretty is getting attention so that is a recipe for not being liked in the house and no one likes someone who like compliments themselves and so if enough of like people she doesn't compliment herself to them she does it in her confessionals

fine but it's possible how could they know you think she's like hey guys i was really proud of myself on that date i nailed it no she's just awkward in her confessionals because she wants to be perfect and you know what i get it i think you pointed out she wants to be perfect she wants to be perfect and that's a red flag i but i mean i have that a little bit and i i find it in myself like once you open up and talk about it with somebody then you can actually get better and you can learn what your flaws are and all those types of things so i think we're going to uncover another side of rachel i think right now she's she's worried about what the audience is thinking she wants to make sure the girls like her she wants to make sure matt

likes her. So we're not seeing the full picture. And that's why she's complimenting herself in her confessionals. But I think she's going to loosen up. Maybe she needs a couple drinks. She could loosen up. I agree. She's going to get a one-on-one.

I think Matt does like her. It's entirely possible she could win this whole thing. I just think it's also entirely possible possible and maybe we won't see it that she could easily be the villain later on this season um i don't know i don't know i think i can't can victoria be on that much longer uh well i think she bought her uh you know if you asked me last week i would say she'll be gone real soon because I agree. I don't think there's any chance she's going to end up with Matt. And as long as Matt doesn't look crazy for keeping her, she'll stick around because she's entertaining.

She makes people laugh. She narrates the show. Like, if you took Victoria off the season, what would we be talking about? There's a bunch of women, you know, Chelsea, beautiful runway model, elegant, charismatic.

I probably a cool hang in real life. She has chosen to remove herself from the drama, including a bunch of other people. And so unless you're like, you know, Bree, Bree is obviously we've gotten to know Bree cause Matt really likes her. Right.

And so we've had this opportunity to get to know her. And I, if we got an opportunity to meet, get to know Chelsea, we'd we'd probably love her too yeah but if Matt's not into her she'll probably you know so eventually but we almost forgot about Abigail I think he really likes Abigail oh Abigail is our next bachelorette I'm pretty sure but also MJ was a big part of this episode she jumped in the drama and then the promo it kind of shows oh yeah to everything that MJ MJ is a big part of this episode. She jumped in the drama. And then the promo, it kind of shows her getting into everything that MJ. MJ is the girl who Matt also doesn't like and has no problem. She's a girl's girl.

You know, the women love her. Well, she's used to it. She's a hairstylist. She talks to women all day long. These are things that, you know, whatever. But know who I want to start talking more because i really like her aesthetically which is probably not great to say piper bring it out piper start talking start doing something you're a real stunner there's only enough room on this show for uh one or two

people that the lead doesn't really like that the girls like that narrates and that's MJ and Katie they're not enough room in this show for Piper sorry what happened to Piper's gone Piper will be gone in two weeks at least or less Serena C is already gone in my book oh Serena C

oh yeah there's two Serenas Serena C Serena P serena c is starting to get disgruntled yeah yeah he's a disgruntled employee for sure yeah she's a middle of the pack um she hasn't gotten any one-on-one time with him like at all not even a second but she has gotten a little bit more camera time i think uh yeah's going to get a one-on-one soon. She got the group date rose last week. She had maybe very little to no airtime this week.

Like no airtime this week. But that's okay. I was so confused that she was even still around. I know I saw the question mark. This episode was very concentrated juice it was like frozen orange juice you know you just so it was all about this the sarah drama and then you had your only your really strong personalities are going to shine in an episode like that and that's katie very strong personality and that's victoria to like combat the the incredible drama that sarah

brought to the show and everyone else even abigail and brie were just kind of left on that just not really i know we didn't even see lauren this episode but she i think she did enough on her time during her time with him that she's still in the like last week kind of set up that we're gonna see abigail we'll see lauren lauren will lauren will get a one this week abigail was upset with sarah too she put through i liked a little We're going to see Abigail. We'll see Lauren. Lauren will be toxic too. But Abigail got feisty this week. Abigail was upset with Sarah too. She put through on her two sons.

I liked a little, yeah, a little spit from Abigail. Yeah, she couldn't help herself. She was like, choo-choo. I love a one-two punch. I was a little disappointed that no one, when the incredible bullying was going out, that no one in the group said hey guys we're being a little vicious here well this is what i don't really understand around on them

why kit needed to go to the level she did i know i have like you know a thing with kit but why she needed to be so gracious she just never even spoken to matt like she doesn't have any skin in the game at this point like why do you need to be so aggressive about it? She is part of the living organism that is the most violent predator in the food chain. And that is... Oh, and she said his long, thick legs. With the monotone voice. No.

I have a monotone voice so I can make fun of them all i want but like i thought it was funny she would you would have been so boring on that date i i i would have not gone his long legs she was making a joke but it wasn't funny. It was. Did you think it was funny? I didn't think it was funny, but... Yeah, maybe she's a guy's girl. A Kit? Yeah. Oh, I can see her not getting along with girls for sure.

She stood up for... She was standing up for all the other girls with the Sarah situation, but I can see her being the girl that also... But she was also being. I think Kit's a Kit's girl. I think Kit really cares about Kit, but because Kit came in hot with her,

like the King, whatever the King reference was on the King, the CEO, the CFO. No, I think Kit's a girl's girl. I think she has a girlfriend. I think she probably has her same three friends that she's had since third

she's got a very tight yeah oh oh they all and they all look up to her and they're like totally a mean girl for sure 100 kit sorry i have no idea who you are and i'm judging you off three minutes of talk time but it's what we do i'm not gonna go on your instagram and say anything i'm just gonna politely say it here. I'm rooting for Kit. I don't know if she will. I want Kit to get a one-on-one. I think she's a big personality.

She's got an interesting story. I think it's interesting. I hope she gets a one-on-one. So probably have like a long like group date. But what happened with Mary also? Because or Mari? Am I? Which which mari because he m.i.a he was really sexually attracted to her at first but then the sexual tension was over once the once the wedding dress thing happened and then she got called off and had to do the paint but

like i didn't don't remember seeing her this episode i I mean, again, we didn't see anyone. I mean, Maggie. Who's that? She's the pharmacist who was like, you know, I mean, made an impression night one and really. We saw Yesenia a little bit. Yesenia was in the mix. Yesenia has her guard up a little bit, she says.

Yeah, listen, it's very early. There's a lot to unpack. We have a group her guard up a little bit. She says. Yeah. Listen, it's very early. It's a lot down back. We have a group of women coming in next week, you know, because Sarah left. We really don't know. Again, I don't think I do think Victoria is going to be gone shortly. It seems silly to put Victoria on a two on one, you know, type of thing. So we don't really know who's the what's going to be the big rivalry that's he made out with victoria right no victoria ate his face that was a rough go for me yeah that's why i think he's nice did you ever just let anybody kiss you that you just

had zero attraction to like two-thirds of the women really i mean like in fairness i can never be the bachelor you can't like normal people aren't attracted to 20 the women, it's like... I could never be The Bachelor. You can't... Normal people aren't attracted to 20 different people. And it's just... So if you like one or two people, then unless you just are a total numbers person, then it's like once you start liking one or two people, then it becomes instantly awkward

to start making out with a bunch of other people. And these are all beautiful, nice people, but you're just not as into them. So then they're all making out with a bunch of other people and these are all beautiful nice people but you're just not as into them so then they're all making out with you trying to get a get ahead you know i'm glad i can just be a fan and not have i couldn't do it yeah it's not a it's not a rip on the other people but yes it's just once you start finding an interest in one or two people like and then everyone starts grabbing you to kiss. You don't want to do that. It's not fun. And it's hard. Yeah.

I don't know. It happened a couple of times with the queen. Well, Matt, I don't think Matt's ever going to, what is also going on with Victoria's eye? What do you mean? Yes.

What do you mean? It's like puffy and red. It looks like she got punched by Sarah. When? When did this happen? It's her left eye. It's always puffy underneath and then it's one eye red it's one eye and it's red and it's puffy and it looks like it's a budding of a door or something she maybe did i feel like victoria behind the scenes might be pounding a little bit to get this

courage uh what's a two drink minimum it is Why do you have to ruin everything for me? Well, talk to... So the people that are really drunk, like they act like they have rage from being drunk, they're not actually drunk? They've had two drinks? I mean, I haven't been there since this two drink minimum, but I think there's some lightweights in this world or not, but...

Oh, you mean two drink maximum. Hold on. Oh, true, true, true. I'm sorry. They get two drinks per hour is my understanding now. hour yeah you can be drunk if you if i had two drinks per hour six hours six hours and three drinks three hours yeah so you can still get pretty sauced i don't know if you're these girls who's probably yeah i think you i don't think Victoria requires alcohol to be obnoxious and opinionated. True.

But it might help. I get worse with alcohol. I'm assuming Victoria does as well. Does anyone get better? Some people I think are funnier. Or more attractive. You can get – well, everyone's more attractive. It can help you get loose.

You know what? Rachel. I think Rachel could benefit from a beer or two loose you know what Rachel I think Rachel could benefit from a beer or two you know what you really have it out you know I just I'm asking you now Chrissy final episode I want to have this conversation with Nick when Rachel's the one getting the diamond

what I think Rachel could loosen up a little she takes herself too seriously right now I know but don't we might see could loosen up a little. She takes herself too seriously right now. I know, but don't we, we might see her loosen up and she might win. She just, I'm only critiquing what I'm seeing.

We have major bets going on in this conversation. What do you think? Whether or not Sarah comes back and how far Rachel goes. Rachel is figured out. I mean, listen, Rachel's very reserved and she's worried about looking good. She's worrying about her parents will, will think. And, and you know, usually if you have, listen, Rachel's very reserved and she's worried about looking good. She's worrying about her parents will think.

And, you know, usually if you have you could use a couple of drinks to. She needs to hit her max. I'm not entirely sure we'll ever really get to know Rachel on this show. Because she is very she's measured in. Yeah, I agree. But I don't mind it. But we'll know all her insecurities from her interviews but we also know when she thinks she's doing great I'm gonna start doing that now just in life on my Instagram

I'm just gonna hey you know what I thought I did this could you imagine like I I'm gonna walk out of here and film an Instagram and say you know what I think I just nailed that interview with Nick imagine a post game interview like you know it's football week and you know Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady just thought I did really good even compared to all my other teammates I definitely tried the hardest really proud of myself

looking forward to the next game Tom Brady should be having that conversation I'm just saying well doesn't he not even like shake people's hands when he loses? Tom Brady is a bit of a poor sport. Yeah. Oh, it doesn't matter.

He's the greatest. I mean, he's the most handsome. Yeah. Accounts for something. All accounts seems like a nice guy, but a bit of a poor sport. We're all like,

before we go, give me who you think Matt's top four. And, and why don't you give a, you give your prediction of a winner? OK, top four. Brie, Abigail. I want to say Lauren. I wish I would have seen more from Lauren this week.

And Rachel. It's pretty good. Solid. Do I get to know yours? I'm going to say Rachel, Abigail, Brie. I'm going to I'm going to say Rachel, Abigail, Bree. I'm going to say Serena. I'm going to say Serena. You guys are close.

We're close. We're only one off. If I'm wrong, I say I'm wrong. Abigail and Bree and I think Rachel are pretty odd. Rachel doesn't have a one-on-one yet, so it's hard to know for sure. But I think Rachel's getting plenty of air time without having had a one-on-one yet so it's hard to know for sure but i think we're rachel's getting plenty of air time without having had a one-on-one yet also in a season that's been so cannibalized by victoria and the sarah so like rachel really is performing pretty well given how the you know

that she she's made time for herself and we're their point and that's important so she's i think it's a safe bet that rachel is top four i agree and i but i do think lauren was a lot of fun and also vulnerable on her date which i think is two things that he top six yeah but not you're but you're still disagreeing with me that is serena so i was just trying to give one last light it in that we could be on the same page here, but all right. We agree to disagree. I'm picking Serena because I agree. I think it would surprise people at this point, but also if I get it right, then I will look great.

Perfect. So now that we've got that covered, when Rachel wins, I expect a little special post in my honor. And Rachel's your winner. Okay. Rachel's my winner. That's a solid choice. I could definitely see Rachel winning. But I do agree with you. It could have been abigail but she'll be the next she'll be the bachelorette i don't see how she's not right now if she's not the winner especially now that i saw that she has that i mean brie would be fantastic too you can't beat her her story of

being deaf and then her you know get to know her sister. It'll be way more getting to know Abigail. And I think she's funny and she's got two sides. She's not just going to be a sweet. She's got some spunk. She's got some fire. She's got fire in her, which I like from a Bachelorette. I feel like I need to write down my picks so I don't forget. I wrote them down for you. Oh, you did?

Great. So I'll send them to you. All right. I don't want to get it twisted and say that I picked somebody that I didn't at the end there's a lot going on this episode there's a lot I've still got a lot I do agree that's I don't think Sarah's coming back I think no Sarah's goners oh what I do have to ask do you care or you know I don't know if it was a coincidence but before this week it was apparently sarah who used to hang out with g easy earlier in the 2020 year oh stop it what i how did i miss

this that's it i missed there's a there's a pop photo of her and the the the easy the g the i have so much to say about that all All right, you go first. Bring it on. Bring it on. I think it's disgusting. I can't. I mean, I don't know. I've been around G-Eazy in a romantic situation before. What?

With you? And I was disgusted. What? I don't mean to say that. It's terrible for me to say. But I was working with them during the whole G-Eazy Halsey thing. And if I had to make out with G-Eazy at KISM at all,

I would like, no, I can't. I can't even. I can't. I have it in my head. It's like PTSD from watching. I see them. She's breathing heavy in that picture too. He does hand out good whiskey. He does still water whiskey and he gave me a bunch of whiskey, so props to G-Eazy for giving me a bunch of whiskey.

Why do you got a make-out shame on me? But watching him make out was the most disgusting thing I've ever seen before in my life. This will not be the last that we see of Sarah, but it's the last we will see of her on The Bachelor. But I think she will end up with some kind of person in the public. I think she has a true goal in mind, and that is for people to know her name.

She's a journalist. I said what I said. Okay. I don't think that's – I feel bad for her. First of all, she wasn't making out with Gigi in that photo. We don't. Maybe they're friends.

Maybe they grew up together. Yeah, maybe they're friends. They're not even holding hands. Also, she's allowed to date. I just want to say, nice guy. Nice guy. I think you already did the damage. It's so gross wait what can you describe

what i mean why it's like it was like that open mouth tongue on the face now too much like i'm so into you that i'm eating your face making out so like victoria's kid was alcohol involved it wasn't like that no i think they don't drink right it wasn't like that. No. I think they don't drink, right? It wasn't like it was just it was too much. It was like. Oh, I mean, I've. Google any picture of him and Halsey and I'm sure you'll find it. Do you have an opinion on this opening of the eye kissing that Matt?

I mean, I look for it this episode because I did it a lot this episode. He did it. OK, so personally with kissing sometimes in my life i have opened my eye just to check for a second i think it's i think it's insane the conversation is going around the yes no one goes into a makeout with their eyes closed dead clothes like there's sometimes i want to check well also it depends how in to the person i am like if i think they're really hot or good looking I want to see them a little bit like up close and see what's happening I don't hate it

I don't girls are gonna be like when they watch it back they're gonna see him with his eyes open kissing them is it that crazy I'm more okay with the open eye kissing than I am with the turtlenecks I'd rather be open eyed kissed than turtlenecked that's on his stylist Carrie I don't know why he had two turtleneck. I'd rather be open-eyed kiss than turtleneck. That's on his stylist, Carrie.

I don't know why he had two turtleneck outfits in the same episode. Mix it up. It's false. You still have a choice though, right? You can still say like, you know what? I'm not really a fan of turtlenecks. But it's... Matt isn't thinking I'm wearing two different outfits in the same episode

so it's going to be overkill. You don't think about that stuff. That's something his stylist knows because he's been doing it for 40 seasons. Like it's the little things that you just like, oh, I don't, like you wear the same outfit,

you don't think about it because there's like a four day gap but it's the same episode. Right. So then you watch it and there's 20 minutes in between two different turtlenecks. Matt's not thinking about that.

Any turtlenecks. Just men out there, this is a PSA. Just don't wear turtlenecks. I don't know. that. Any turtlenecks. Just men out there. This is a PSA. Just don't wear turtlenecks. I don't know. I think there's a time and a place. I don't know. Brendan, you missed it.

Teddy missed the Brendan turtleneck situation on the season. No, I wouldn't like it. He rocked it. People liked it. Did he wear it with a jacket over? He did. He wore the jacket. Oh, my God.

And it was one hundred and two degrees in Palm Springs while he was rocking. Here's a picture of G and Halsey, and he's about to lick her face. I told you. It's a lot in person. Sarah doesn't seem like the type that really wants to get her face licked to that. But I don't know. I could be wrong, but maybe they were just super passionate. But maybe a Nice guy.

Maybe she just grew up with G-Eazy. Great whiskey. Well, I wish everybody the best. I want to stay on the pulse of what's happening. I can't wait to brag about being right. About what? Rachel winning? Yeah.

I didn't disagree that she would. No, I was just pointing out some inconsistency. Just small red flags. Hold on. But then you didn't actually pick your winner. I mean, if you made me pick right now, I think Sarah is a good. I mean, I think Rachel is a good choice. You buried the lead.

And next week she's going to start talking about herself in the third person. And he'll be like, no, you forget that off the winner often is someone who could easily be the villain in a lot of seasons. They just get a level of protection because they win. Also, the winner sometimes isn't the most popular in the house because, you know, everyone can tell that the leads into them more than anyone else. There's a little bit of like, fuck this person. I mean, well, and also that doesn't mean they're bad people like this is this is a high school atmosphere this is not yeah no i i watch all this is an impossible fan and nobody is an actual real like for me that's how i watch the bachelor i need to totally disengage this as actually

happening in any sort of real life situation. And there's like, again, you look at the Sarah situation. My guess is Sarah was losing her mind and she probably was like, I want to talk to Matt. And she was given the opportunity to do so. You know, she didn't find him on his own. She didn't grab a cameraman and an audio person. No, she had a big old car taker. Yeah. Now that we know one of her exes could have potentially been G-Eazy,

she really has good little confidence. She's like, I can do whatever. Who knows? Yeah, I don't think Sarah's used to ever competing. No. With other women. I don't think so either. I think it was pretty clear.

Oh, that makes me think now because she made this whole big case. Oh, I wrote it down. She made this whole big case about dealing with her ex's unfaithfulness and jealousy in the past. Oh, yeah. I bet it was him. What if it's Halsey? Wait, wait. Because she took a picture next to G-Eazy.

That's who she's talking about. No, but we're talking about that being her ex. How old is Sarah? Sarah was talking like that her issue with being with all the people after you just said the competition she's 24 her issue was that she was so traumatically uh had a traumatic thing from her ex who wasn't faithful and there was jealousy in her past and all this stuff so uh I'm gonna go ahead on a limb and wonder on that it's entirely possible to have Sarah who updated a bunch of guys capable of

cheating true it's true but it could have been him and I'm gonna get into that when I get home It's entirely possible to have Sarah who updated a bunch of guys capable of cheating. True. It's true, but it could have been him. And I'm going to get into that when I get home. You know what? True investigators never quit. Let me know what you find. I never miss a crumb.

You guys. I never miss. I don't. Don't you think we would. Don't you think we have heard more about it? Some people are just quitters. And you know what? I don miss it. Don't you think we would have heard more about it? Some people are just quitters. And you know what? I don't quit.

So I am going to find out everything I can. Maybe I'll slide into her DMs. Do you think she'll see it because I have a blue checkmark? Yeah, probably. You might want to get to it before this episode drops. Oh, yeah. How many hours do I have? You got about six.

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