The Viall Files - E246 The Bachelor Recap with Jackelyn Shultz

Episode Date: March 9, 2021

Today Jackelyn Shultz joins us to recap Matt’s fantasy suite dates on this week's episode of The Bachelor. Jackelyn is the daughter of the legendary Howie Mandel and his cohost on their podcast Howie Mandel Does Stuff. Nick and Jackelyn break down all of the fantasy suite dates as well as the touching conversation Matt had with his father, and they both make their predictions on the finale. Jackeyln even takes some time to fill Nick in on her favorite Bachelor Tik Tok conspiracy theories and asks his thoughts on them.  “It is the equivalent of space travel … until you are in space …your going to deal with some shit when you’re in space for the first time and that’s kind of what this crazy world is like… ” Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes.  THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Vizzy: http://www.vizzyhardseltzer.com/VIALL to find out where you can purchase Vizzy. Must be 21+ Article: http://www.article.com/VIALL to get $50 off your first purchase of $100 or more.  Episode Socials:  @viallfiles @nickviall @jackelynshultz Subscribe to Jackelyn & Howie’s Podcast here https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/howie-mandel-does-stuff-podcast/id1555137542 See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

What's going on everybody welcome to another episode of the vile files I am your host Nick joined by the wonderful women in my life on this team, the Vile Files, Chrissy, Amanda, Allie, all with us. And we have another wonderful woman as our guest today, Jacqueline Schultz. She is Howie Mendel's daughter, and she's also a big Bachelor fan. We interview her father, Howie Mendel, on Wednesday.

It's a fantastic episode. Be sure to check that out. Super fun, funny, insightful. We talk about all things from mental health to comedy to the climate in the world today. I had a ton of fun talking to Howie and I'm sure you'll have a ton of fun listening. But Jacqueline helps us break down Matt's episode of Fantasy Suites, which was, I thought a great episode and we dive into all those things and why. So, yeah, I hope you guys enjoy it as much as we enjoyed talking about it.

Don't forget to send your questions at AskNickAtCastMe.com. Cast with a K for our Ask Nick episodes. We have a great one out today already or came out yesterday. Be sure to check that out. And what else? We got some merch available, avowfiles.com. Let's get to Jacqueline Schultz and Matt James's fantasy suite shenanigans. Jacqueline, how are you? Thank you so much for joining. Thank you for having me. I am a huge huge fan i am so excited to be here i was

actually really nervous i'm still kind of nervous nothing nervous to be about we're just talking about the bachelor okay so okay i'm ready actually with an expert though that's not true i actually have of all the shows that we do it's this show that gives me the most anxiety so what the fuck am i talking about i don't know that's true yeah is that real oh yeah 100 yeah i can spit out relationship advice or do an interview like even with your dad i mean i got nervous talking to your dad but like bachelor nation it's again it's like watching football if you if you say something about someone's team that they don't like they get real mad and yeah no they're on you yeah they're on you so uh with that being said just relax and tell us exactly what you think Jacqueline at the risk of offending

everyone um no it'll be fine um also how fun that your episode comes out before your dad's is that right yeah so do people know who I am you You keep mentioning my dad. Yeah, we've done an intro and tell them. Oh, okay. Sorry. Yeah. Also introduce your dad as the father of Jacqueline Schultz. That makes me so excited because I normally get left out. You know, we have a podcast called How He Does Stuff.

Nowhere in there does it say my name. I am the co-host. I am completely left out. So I'm glad that he is now introduced as Jacqueline Schultz's dad. If you want to come on our Ask Nick and talk about like your feelings and your relationship with your father,

like it would be probably a really good episode. Yes, yes. Can we do that yeah i'm down uh but uh seriously thank you for coming i always like to start these off by just getting uh your thoughts on on the season as a whole uh before we talk about this specific episode and uh who are who have been your favorites and what were you looking forward to coming into this episode? That's so many questions all in one. Can I be completely honest with you though? So I am, I am a mom. I'm a huge fan of bachelor and bachelorette and bachelor in paradise,

but I am a mom and specifically during quarantine and lockdown, my kids and they've been in the house 24 seven. So this is the first time where I haven't been able to watch the season religiously like I usually do. So when I found out I was doing your show, I literally watched the whole season in two days. I watched the whole season over this weekend. And this is the only time that I was able to be like, ah, don't bother mommy. She's working and then go into my room and watch reality television for 18 hours straight. So I am so excited and ready to talk about this season because it is amazing. Like the twists and turns of this season were incredible. And I am shocked that I didn't watch it sooner, but I love Michelle.

I am like a huge fan of Michelle. Number one, she's a teacher and I am shocked that I didn't watch it sooner but I love Michelle I am like a huge fan of Michelle number one she's a teacher and I'm a teacher so already off the bat I'm like go for it she is the one she's she's your girl so she is my girl are you overall you like Michelle she's obviously part of the top three are you are you generally happy with matt's top three or would you have had a different top three for matt or for yourself i like to ask both it's hard to say because i understand matt's top three i mean i really like brie also i understand it going through and watching the whole season and seeing his connections with these girls and what they were talking about and stuff like that. I understand his choices. So who am I to say that it was a wrong choice or a bad choice when, you know, all of that played out and they were having

those kinds of conversations. And he obviously didn't make connections as strong of connections with other girls. I feel like there's a button there. If you weren't going to totally respect Matt's choice, would you have picked a different one for yourself? Okay, this is going to be controversial. All right, great. Katie. I like Katie. Oh, she likes Katie.

I like that she stands up for like what's right. And I know that she participated a little bit in the bullying and got caught up in it but I like that she turned it around right away and she like tried to find common ground some of the girls that were being mistreated and I like that she stayed true to herself I don't know I'm a big fan of Katie's and I don't think she was given the time of day. By who? Matt? Yeah, by Matt. And I also love Abigail. Well, they're definitely both sweet. I'm sure Matt gave them the time of day. I think Matt just wasn't that into them. And I think that's so okay. What's sad though, is that the viewers

get to see a lot of the behind, not behind the scenes, but what's going on in the house and stuff and who these people are. And I wonder how much Matt got to see of this before, you know, before the episodes aired and if it would have changed his mind at all. Yeah, well, to answer that question, it often depends, right? He's certainly aware of some of it, but there's a answer that question, it often depends, right? He's certainly aware of some of it, but there's a lot he doesn't get to see, right? There's a lot that every lead or bachelor or bachelorette doesn't get to see, especially like the interviews everyone's doing about their dates with Matt or the cattiness that's going on the house or the fights or the fights himself. He's not watching that. So a lot of it he gets to learn. He might learned he might hear about it right he might be like updated on it but he doesn't really get to

see it firsthand but like a lot of that stuff has really nothing to do with matt's relationships either right like that's just relationships between the women in the house so it's not even relative to necessarily matt's relationship i mean while we like Katie and and she's charming nothing I saw from Katie would make me feel confident saying Matt should pick Katie for for Matt you know what I'm saying like I could see that she has good qualities and I can see why people might be like her but I can also see like maybe Matt's just not that into her you know okay maybe I'm just picking her as a friend yeah she's picking her for her yeah yeah this is this is my choice for me okay I like Abigail number one my daughter's name is Abby I go with like these connections that I have

with these girls but I love Abigail and I feel like that could have been one of Matt's picks and he said himself that he was so confident in their relationship off the bat that he kind of wrote it out. And he didn't give her the time of day. He said that. And he went to other girls to strengthen their relationships because he already felt confident in that one. And then in turn, they didn't get to like go further. Right. Isn't that kind of what he said to her so he definitely

said that uh i i don't buy it i don't fault matt you have to come up with nice things to say other than i'm just not into you and yeah she got the first impression rose and i've never seen someone who get the first impression well i mean the past two first impression roses uh the one that taisha gave what's his name it doesn't matter we all forgot about him uh and then spencer and then abigail like some weak performances by first impression rose people i mean i love abigail but like i think matt just i think he was really and rightfully so taken back that she is deaf and and and her story and that's very touching and and and he was very impressed by her and then but when it came down to like who are the your top

four or five women that you're interested in pursuing a relationship I don't think Abigail was ever on that list okay so because she would have got an early date if she was. It sounds like you're going to play devil's advocate with me no matter what I say. Do you think that? No, I'm just giving you my take on what I know about the show. No, I know. You know more than I do because you've actually experienced it. I'm just saying as a viewer who has no prior knowledge of what goes on behind the scenes or anything. And just based off watching those, you know, Katie is my pick as a friend.

And Abigail, I thought, may have had a chance if he gave her more time. I would have liked to see Abigail get a one-on-one. But I think Matt was never going to be into her is my my guess. That is harsh. Why? I don't know. I just think that's harsh. But he was into her.

He was into her off off the bat. You're calling Matt a liar. And I'm calling Matt more of a he chose to try to say the nice thing, which probably wasn't the most honest thing but in some cases especially when you're the bachelor i think that's okay okay okay um but yeah uh so we have regardless of what you and i think matt's choices are rachel brie and michelle the episode starts off with uh matt having a conversation with his dad which it for me was one of the heaviest and maybe most authentic conversations i remember on this show ever i almost feel uncomfortable like having any takes on this because i i can't relate to

matt's experience i've always had you know i've been fortunate enough to have the relationship i had with my parents i can only just try try to empathize with Matt in terms of his experience and recognize how hard that must have been. And I thought Matt really, in such a difficult situation, really stood out to me and handled that situation, which must have been really difficult, with a lot of grace and compassion for his dad, while at the same time expressing his feelings

and was so vulnerable to the audience. Yeah, and I think that that, although I as well cannot relate because I come from parents who have been together forever, like incredibly long. And I've always had a loving and supportive relationship. But I know that situation is super relatable to a lot of people, a lot of kids. There's a lot of people that go through that. And so I think being able to touch on that, not only for his own growth and not only for the growth of his possible relationships in the future, but also to touch on that and that be a huge part of the story just in general for other people to see, I think was a big deal. It was touching. It was emotional. It had the, you know, the first, where's this going to go? How's Matt's dad is going to react? And then there was a nice positive turn.

And yeah, you're absolutely right. I think there's a lot of people out there that will connect that conversation Matt had with his dad. And, and maybe there'll be some people who reach out to either their sons and daughters or fathers or mothers that they've lost touch. And I give Matt a lot of credit for being willing to have that conversation and being okay with the producers to invite Matt's dad to have that conversation and being so vulnerable.

And, you know, props to Matt for doing that. Do you think his dad knew? That's what I was going to say. I wonder if dad came across as like my favorite line of that whole conversation was if we were here to celebrate, we'd be here. We'd be at a turkey cheese. That was like my favorite line that Matt said to his dad. So his dad was like, I'm here to celebrate.

Do you think his dad knew? Do I think his dad knew what Matt wanted to talk about? Yeah. No, I don't think he was fully read in i think i mean i i'm totally guessing here that i think matt knew i think they okayed it with matt well i know they okayed it with matt to invite his dad and then my guess is i don't know what conversations i had with his dad but they're just like matt wanted to talk to you and about this kind of you know he's going through this experience he's falling in love and you know you he mentioned that

this is the relationship you have or don't have with them and he wants to chat my guess is they probably left it at that i wonder if matt even knew off the bat coming on to the show that this was a conversation that he was going to have to have later on or if it just hit him at the end of the show that or not at the end even in the middle like hey this is some this is a conversation i need to have before i move forward and it was decided that yeah i'd be interested to know if if if matt suggested it to the producers or if the producers suggested it to matt you know like hey would you be open to having this conversation with your dad? Or if maybe Matt said, Hey, listen, what if we had my dad? I, do you know, I mean, being in that atmosphere, whether you're a bachelor person or your cast, it, it is, it is a crazy fucked up type of therapy. And maybe therapy is the wrong word because I don't know if it's always productive,

but you do a lot of self-reflecting. You do a lot of internal investigation about your feelings in your life. You're constantly just talking about your feelings and it really allows you to open up in ways you never have before. So I can imagine Matt going through this experience and then thinking, you know what? I want to talk to my dad, you know, because it really allows you to start opening up in ways you haven't before. And you've seen this from Matt, right? Matt is, it's been so good and gracious with his vulnerability to the audience. And, and, and you've seen this kind of evolution from Matt of someone who's so open about not being open, someone who's like admits that he has been closed off. And that's not always easy for people to admit, but he's really embraced that.

And, and he's done a good job of, of being vulnerable. And you're seeing this growth with Matt as a man, which I find to be really endearing. And I'm really grateful that he's been willing to do that. Three things I love, heart, seltzers, vitamin C, and antioxidants. I'm being serious. Why are you laughing? I'm being serious. Because it's so convenient. I love vitamin C. I can't even even pronounce antioxidants they all come in one from vizzy when the shit like this happens i get so excited because it makes my life so easy vizzy is the first hard seltzer crafted with antioxidant vitamin c can you believe it i can't extracted from a kick-ass cherry a super fruit with 30 times

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No matter what, it's a guessing game, and I've kind of joked, crazy because in that world you we you are taking such a leap of faith right you're you have no matter what you're it's a guessing game and I've kind of joked it's like at the end of the day sometimes it is the the person you're most physically attracted to because that's what you there's there's you there's no questions there for you you you you know that you're physically attracted to and then you kind of hope that the other things that you're connected with are or in fact what you're noticing, what you see and that the things that you don't get to learn. You hope there's no red flags underneath there. So Matt being vulnerable about, you know, his lack of relation with his father has affected his past relationships and he's had this conversation and he's just letting them know the things that he's insecure about. We don't always get to see on the show people being so open about their insecurities. You know, we get to see the attempt sometimes in previous seasons

and sometimes it's just harder to to know what that is. But Matt's been really open about these insecurities. And I think that allows these women to really get to know Matt because, you know, it's through those insecurities. I think we are able to kind of peel back those layers past, you know, how hot you think someone is. And I've noticed a lot more lately, like as the seasons go on each season, it seems like people are opening up a lot more. I don't know if it's just the culture and the environment we're in where there isn't really a stigma necessarily attached or it's being torn off of whether it's mental health issues or anything that's holding you back. Like there's just a stigma that's kind of being erased as we go on and on in life.

And I see that in The Bachelor, too. They've been more and more open every season. Like it's been progressively getting better. Have you noticed that? Yeah, that's a great point. I don't know if I've actually thought that, but you're right. I mean, I think there's a lot going on in Bachelor Nation

and I've always said that ultimately what this show is in a lot of ways is a reflection of our society, right? I mean, this show, people always have these conversations about what makes The Bachelor as popular as it is, right? Why has it been so sustainable over, you know, so many years? And because it's because love is the most relatable thing, which is why you can have, you know, people on both sides of the political aisle. Men, women, gay, straight, like everyone who watches that show can relate to the vulnerability and the embarrassment of falling in love, right? Whether

you have mental health struggles or you don't have mental health struggles, everyone relates to that. And so, you know, as our society moves forward, it's reflected on the show. And you make a great point. You know, your dad, when he talked about mental health and how when he first started talking about how fearful he was of what people would think of him, acknowledging he had these mental health struggles. And now it's people like your dad or people just being more open about it, talking about therapy, I think gives people who go on the show the confidence to say, I struggle with anxiety. These are my insecurities. I've talked to a therapist or, you know, this is I've been I face depression and things like that. And you're right. I don't know if 10 years ago,

anyone would have the confidence to do that. Right. And even the situation with Matt and saying that that was a issue that he had or something he needed to get through or a conversation with his dad. I don't even know 10 years ago if they would have been talking about that either. That's something that they would have felt like they wanted to bring up on national television. So I think it is progressing. I remember my early 20s, someone once told me, don't tell your employer if you've ever gone to therapy because it will be like on your like your public record or like it would be like this thing where you'd be labeled as, I don't know, mentally unstable or something.

You know, even if you wanted to talk to a therapist at a breakup, I remember someone being like, you shouldn't tell anyone about that because it would, people would identify you a certain way and just think how, and now people are on national television talking about it. Therapy and mental health has obviously been a huge part of my life because of my dad. And the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. I know you guys asked me to be in studio. I don't leave my house. Like that is why I am trapped in the closet, but I go to therapy and I've been to therapy like my whole life. And I

remember the same thing. When I first started going to therapy, they were like, do you want it on your health insurance? Because then it could be public and people can find out. And I was like, what? Like, who who cares it's never been embedded in my brain because of my family and because of my dad and my upbringing that it was an issue but i know that in society and even more so um a while ago or maybe not even that long ago five ten years ago that it would have been an issue yeah like you're saying yeah and so yeah i think it's it's it has evolved and they have. And I think a lot of it has to do with our culture, our society, embracing mental health and, and, and advocates like your dad for saying therapy's

a good thing. It's nothing you should, we should wear with a badge of honor, not, um, a scarlet letter, so to speak. So yeah, prop props to Matt for that conversation with his dad. I, just in general, I think Matt has been, uh, I don't know what your thoughts are, Jacqueline, but I think Matt has been an exceptional bachelor, especially when I consider all the obstacles he's had to go through. He's had no experience in this crazy world leading up to it. It's all been new to him. Obviously being the first black bachelor, and then you add on some of this you know outside the filming and things he's had to deal with he's he's really handled it very well and uh it's an incredibly hard position for anyone to be in and and matt's had other challenges to face that no

one else has had to face um or at least not in a while especially um this being his first experience and he's he's done a really great job i don't do you have any anything to add to that i love matt i only have one issue with matt and that's the kissing with the eyes open but like that's like my only issue with matt and other than a hot button topic i think he's doing a great job and he does like his skinny jeans a lot his i i i'm i'm breaking away from skinny jeans i'm i'm i'm definitely uh i'm so proud of you for that by the way i'm definitely still an offender but matt's are particularly i even said i was watching i was like damn those are skinny i mean again he's got he's got a body that really uh and i have meaty thighs too so like some meaty thigh people i have meaty um

sometimes really you know they make those skinny jeans extra skinny so to speak but um also the my only other criticism of matt i guess is that when matt dances he doesn't dance he just does a tiktok yeah he does like yeah that's not dancing matt like that's you're doing a tiktok There's a difference. Maybe that's the direction our society is going. When bars open up and you go to a dance club, it's just going to be a bunch of people doing TikTok routines and not actually moving their hips. But are we not going to talk about him walking with the women behind him? Oh, yeah. One more point of criticism for Matt matt since we're piling on after like giving

him a bunch of we're like we don't have any issues just wait uh matt matt matt's limited in his dating experience he's been open about that and nothing shows that more than way he walks with the women like he's in middle school where you do that kind of wraparound where you try to walk as one you know like only you only did that in middle school maybe freshman year of high school but matt still does that for some reason i i have a feeling though like as a woman it actually feels good like like you want that also he's really tall and really big and a lot of these women are shorter it It's kind of like my husband and I, I'm five, three, and he's six, six. So I like the big, huge bear hug from behind.

It looks weird. It does look weird, but I'm telling you, it feels good. But, but I don't, the hugging I get, but the, do you guys walk that way? I don't care. I like it. Okay. If I were, if I was a girl, I would like it on television. It looks weird.

In person, it probably feels great. It looks like on TV, it's like that, like, when the toddler puts their feet on the, like, person and then they walk together. That's what it looks like on TV. It's like, I get it. We're excited, you know. I'm surprised he is obviously a TikTok person. He knows the TikTok dances, that he's still wearing skinny jeans

because apparently according to TikTok, you are not supposed to wear a side part, which is why I have changed to a middle part. And you are also not supposed to wear skinny jeans anymore. But I don't know if that only applies to women. I'm not, I'm not, I'm, I'm unsure as well. And I, I definitely want to be someone that regardless of my my age, wants to be with the trends. But I don't need to necessarily be a leader. I don't mind. Even the jeans I'm wearing now are actually called dad jeans because they're not skinny jeans. I'm still stuck on meaty thighs.

I've always struggled with meaty thighs i uh you're like ryan sirhan like ryan sirhan is the best i have a a big booty and meaty thighs and uh sometimes with skinny jeans i'm just like you know i'm a 32 waist but it's tight in the thighs it's tight in the thighs and meaty thighs i don't know okay so matt too has uh meaty thighs um so after matt's dad uh and him talk uh the the dating uh commences i don't know what your thoughts are are jacklyn but as someone who's you know has been on the show on both sides has had a handful of fantasy suite dates uh i am blown away what seems to be the new normal and this new normal started on peter season when and when did you watch peter season yes so madison who it was unclear well i guess she was a virgin

or she was saving herself from marriage but sex and and whether pete was going to have it with anyone else was a big part of that conversation and it seemed like an active decision by the producers to say well let's really lean into this awkwardness and instead of separating the women after hometowns like has been always the playbook for every season up until that we're like no no we're gonna put them in the same room and we're gonna make them live together during the most awkward part of the season and and we thought okay maybe this is a one-off situation because of you know this conversation that's going on and then and the pandemic happens right and then you kind of like you know what hey fuck

it let's just keep doing this and they they did it with Tayshia season. And now they're continuing to do this with with Matt season. And I got to say, well, great TV. It's so fucked up. Yeah, I had to say as a viewer and this might sound bad, but as a viewer, I love it because I love the drama that's involved in it as a human being and as a person who feels for these girls like it is it is heartbreaking to watch what they are going through like just being on this show in general is probably like a mind fuck in itself and then being in that situation where you're literally watching girls and like girl after girl, multiple girls, two girls come in after they've just had a slumber

party with your man that you're in love with is crazy to me. I wouldn't be able to do it. No, it's even worse than you can even imagine as a viewer as someone who's lived through that experience i remember both the times i was on the bachelorette i had the first fantasy suite dates right so then yeah you're you're kind of unaware of the schedule you you know like i after the first time i did i knew there was always a day off right so then the second time i went through it i could kind of in my mind guess what was going on or the dates that were going on. I remember being up all night, you know, be like, I know she's with so and so. And I couldn't sleep. Right. And I yet I still it wasn't in my face. Right.

Now, now you add to the fact that like they have to watch them come in smiles on their faces and then they talk about it and they're using like phrases like well it was just really i don't know memorable you know and it's just like you just you you don't want to ask the questions but you want to ask the questions and then like you know for example like i think it was it was a breeze date where she had the fireworks all those women they saw those fireworks was it rachel okay date where she had the fireworks. All those women, they saw those fireworks. Was it Rachel? OK, so Rachel had the fireworks. And so like Bree and Michelle, they fucking saw those fireworks.

You know what I'm saying? Like they knew they saw those fireworks and they knew that Matt was with another girl. Well, I guess at that point they knew it was Rachel. Right. And that's just it's so in your face and incredibly hard. I do. I think all the women handled it as well as they could you know they made a lot of of rachel struggling with it but like i don't fault

rachel for acknowledging that this is hard right i know a lot of people say like well you knew what was going to happen going into this and you signed up for it. I don't think anyone probably, and you can tell me because you've been on, but like, I don't think anyone signs up for it knowing the feelings that they are going to have even on the first day or the first night, or like down the road, if you so happen to be one, one of the final three, you have no idea what that is actually going to be like and entail and look like for you. So I don't think anyone is really prepared. So it's kind of unfair when people are like, you knew you signed up for it. I hate it when people say that. And thank you for saying that for someone who hasn't been on a show, who hasn't been a fan to have the self-awareness

to say that, because it is very frustrating. You know, it's the equivalent of space travel, right? You could, you could go to NASA. They can go through all this training. They can go through all these simulations. They can tell you what to expect, but until you're in fucking space, chances are you're going to be like, holy shit. I, this isn't crazy. I guess I'm more prepared than I thought I was, but I'm, you're going to deal with some shit when you're in space for the first time. And that's kind of what this crazy world is like. Nothing really prepares you. You can tell yourself, I know he's going to go on dates with other women. I, I, but you don't know how you're

going to feel. You're always skeptical of how in love you think you're going to be. You're just like, yeah, I don't know. I mean, I, maybe I like the guy, but I'll be level-headed. Like it's not going to be, it won't be the same as real life. And then you go in that world and you're more in love than you ever felt before because it's intensified. And then all of a sudden you're like, oh, no, it's cool. Like, please, it's your turn. You know, it's it's it's fucked up and wild and nothing truly prepares you for it. Just like nothing prepares you for outer space. You know, like I don't I think that's a pretty fair comparison.

Thank goodness it was these three girls though and so far what i've seen is the girls try to be relatively respectful could you imagine if victoria was there as one of the final three and i could imagine after back in after her date what she would have said am i a terrible person for wishing we could have seen that no as a viewer you're not a terrible person but like that my my dream fantasy suite date would be sarah from episode one victoria and piper one thing we learned about piper is piper doesn't know how to be emotional and when she does she doesn't know how to handle her emotions because what we heard from piper is like emotions and feelings are something she's literally never felt ever so you combine that

with like having matt walk in or having victoria walk in and you combine sarah that would have been fucking awesome that would have been my dream fantasy suite date if if i if i only wanted to watch toxic energy which sometimes i guess maybe i do I'm trying to remember Sarah. Can you please? Sorry. I am so bad with names. Can you remind me? Sarah had the first one-on-one who, you know, very traditionally beautiful, was bullied out of the house. Matt was really into early on. She seemed, at least on TV, a bit unstable with her emotions as well. so the reason why i like katie she is the reason why i like katie yes um so yeah sarah victoria and piper would have been an absolute dynamite fantasy suite episode yeah but i digress and but there's probably a good reason why we

didn't have that um so anyways we finally get to the actual dates themselves michelle again i totally agree with you jacklyn i mean every time she speaks or she's on the camera she's just a breath of fresh air like she she gives you hope for humanity that when you have you know she's the the reason michelle exists is to balance out the reasons why victoria exists right because if you have a victoria in this world you need need someone like Michelle to be like, you know what, the world is gonna be okay. We have people like Michelle. Well, and not only that, her kids, her students,

being on the show and talking to Matt and everything, I just thought it's so telling with who she is, it's so telling of what kind of person she is. I mean, you don't really know when like families come because they're always going to put their best foot. Well, maybe not, but like they'll put their best foot forward and speak highly of their kids. You don't really know who that person is, but kids don't lie. So like to have students up there saying that Michelle is wonderful and she's a great teacher and she inspires them and stuff. That is so telling with what kind of person she actually is. I love her. Yeah, no, she is great. And she doesn't speak in platitudes, right? It's very easy in that world

to be like, you know, I just I want someone who makes me a better person. And, you know, if it's meant to be, it's meant to be that this is a lot there's a lot of platitudes that are spoken in bachelor world and it's hard because you get nervous you don't know what to say you want to say the right thing you're afraid of being criticized but michelle always says thoughtful things like i loved it when she challenged matt and says what are you going to do to make sure that you're you know you're still falling in love to keep love going right you know I'm not so worried to stay in love right and I love that like I thought that was really great that was a thoughtful thought and it's something that she wanted to hear from Matt she she turned she turned it on Matt and you know we're getting into a situation where it's not just like I'm just happy

to be here you're beautiful Matt you know thank you for picking me. You're getting, you know, the women are now, you know, speaking up on what they need out of relationships. If they're going to, you know, accept a proposal, we're starting to hear from them. And Michelle's really good at articulating and saying, you know, what she needs. And it's always said with such elegance. And it's been really fun to watch her. I'm really still mad the producers waited till episode four to bring her on. Really? Do you think it would have been any different if she came earlier? That's a great question.

We would have been able to see a little bit, but you're right. She probably wouldn't have gotten a ton of airtime. There's a lot of conversations with the Bachelor community about airtime and what it means and people are gypped. I'm always just like, hey, sometimes airtime and what it means and people are gypped and i'm always just like hey sometimes airtime is not a good thing i mean if you get airtime in the first five episodes chances are you're not gonna love it right if you're dominating the screen in the first five episodes almost certainly no one thinks you're awesome like once there's exceptions that a

few times right katie is an exception of someone who kind of evened out some of the cattiness but you don't want to shine in the first four episodes you want to shine later on you kind of want to straddle that line right like you don't want to shine because it's usually not for the right reasons but then you also don't want to fall back to like who was that person you know like i don't you watch the women tell all and you're like, wait, that person was on the season and you don't even remember them. You kind of want to be somewhere in the middle. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, early on, that's why like you you saw like Rachel is an example of early on. I mean, other than like crying when Matt prayed or, you know, maybe a few times she cried, but she wasn't really talked about.

She was just there once in a while you they would show like a thought from rachel or she'd get a rose but she she was she didn't get a ton of airtime early on right and that's typically how it happens like you know you get to know the drama early on and then you get to know you know even like matt right you know matt's it's a different season because we didn't get to know matt on the bachelorette right and so as we usually do all these other seasons but the bachelor the way the bachelorette and the batch you know it's the bachelor's about getting to know the women or the men if it's the bachelorette and like maybe later in the season we get to once they can get

reminded of who our bachelor and bachelorette is, right? It's different with Matt because we didn't get to watch him. But, you know, like this episode, I feel like we learned more about Matt than the entire other, you know, eight episodes, right? Because we were just too busy watching Victoria being a mess. The only time it was a positive thing to be center of attention was Dale, right? For Dale? Because he won. home even even that's debatable you know okay okay i don't know i mean are claire and dale back together they're in florida they're living it up in florida so yeah i guess currently as of Monday morning, it's a positive thing.

Things change quickly. It's definitely not the norm. But, yeah, also, what did you think about the would you want to be soaked in oatmeal and butter? No, that was like the weirdest. First of all, they walk into there. You can tell me. But they walk into there and they see a bath of like white crap. Right. And they see like a bucket of mush shit, like whatever it is, how do they know what it is?

And how do they know what they're supposed to do? Is there a producer telling them it's milk? It's cool. You can get in it. Like i would never go into a room and see a huge bathtub full of white stuff and be like yeah i'm gonna take off my clothes and jump in uh yes there are some direction you know i'm sure like before every date starts the producers are going to matt saying all right here's what you're doing uh they kind of give him the beats of the date right yeah and and yeah they're not clearly those camera people around there you're watching it so it's not as if they're like completely lost i also saw them like slapping each other with those leaves right now i have i'm gonna call out

my dad here and he is probably going to be so mad at me when I'm telling this story. But he told me, I think it's like a Jewish tradition, but he used to go with his dad when he was little and go to this like spa with his dad and his friends. And they would go into the sauna when he was like a little boy. And they would all all like slap him with those grape leaves. Or I don't know what they are. What are they? Do you know what I'm talking? Is there anyone who's Jewish here who knows what I'm talking about? So this sounds

really weird, but that's what it reminded me of. Sorry, dad, you're going to have to go on and explain yourself now because I just called you out and it sounds like horrible and weird, but it's not. He told me this story and that's what it reminded me of. But how do you know you even take those leaves and like slap it on the other person's naked skin but I just know that it's hard for me to relax I wouldn't be able to relax and be massaged with butter or cream or milk or oatmeal you know like it's just I don't know I could be wrong maybe I've never done it but it seemed weird to like there's a there's a lot of things that seem weird though a lot of dates that seem weird like even the tantric yoga right that we watched previously was super weird and uncomfortable and

i love that she even said that too i think i think a lot of the time people just go with the flow and they're like i want to seem like i'm adventurous and i go with the flow no like it's weird yeah well it's a tv show so yeah like the dates aren't that like people are like, Oh, it must be so great to fall in love on these super hyped up romantic dates. I'm like, no, they're terrible. Like the, like the dates that I like the most are when they're like, Oh, we're just going to go walk around Dublin. Okay. Cause that, that's like the most normal shit you can do right everything else was like hang gliding parasailing bungee jumping helicopter rides uh lukewarm hot tubs in the middle of nowhere like that is not like it's all weird and it doesn't advance relationships at all but you know it's fun to watch um except for the

carnival the carnival was awesome with carn? Wasn't there like a carnival? With Piper. Yeah, with Piper. The carnival in the middle of the woods. I thought that was like an awesome date. That would have been my favorite date. Anything that replicates like normal life is the best type of date. And I guess a carnival, you know, would replicate that.

It's just like lower production in terms of like the activity. The more activities you have to do the less romantic it is the less time you have to like just hang out and talk like a lot of people will moving into we'll say breeze date you know people like oh breeze she keeps getting these outdoor dates and like poor brie i actually disagree whether breeze a camper or not she's just walking in the woods with a guy she likes and i can promise you like that allows you to connect far faster and far better than like, let's say there was this like highly produced, you know, activity that was cool and neat. And maybe she's never done it before, but like,

there's a lot of, you know, safety training courses and, you know, other people involved, like skydiving fun, hard to fall in love. I'd rather walk through the woods than skydive. No, I disagree with that. I disagree with the skydiving one. I think that was a good choice because of adrenaline. The serotonin levels make you have this connection. Even if you're not with the person necessarily.

But you can't talk to them. It doesn't matter. It's a shared experience. I agree with that,'s there's no foundation okay and breeze walking through the woods talking to matt about god knows what because they were probably walking for a while right we didn't only get to see a few minutes of it but like they probably talked about mundane things that are not interesting for us, the viewer, to hear. But like they literally got to talk and connect and just got to know each other as people. And so, you know, it's funny as a viewer, you watch it and you're just like, oh, like, oh, that would have sucked.

But like a lot of those dates that are seem really boring and really ordinary are the ones the people like actually trying to fall in love appreciate the most but brie got sent home and rachel didn't after the skydiving and he said part of the reason was because of the skydiving and feeling like he could have lost her right what would life have been like without i think matt's just has the hots for Rachel. Yeah. I agree. You know, and I don't say that as a criticism. I think he just, there's an intangible connection that Matt has with Rachel that just, you know, as long as Rachel, you know, tries to connect with Matt, it's hard to leapfrog ahead of someone that the other person has like what they feel like is an intangible connection you know and so nothing you know nothing would

have changed that and so in Matt's head he's just like yeah skydiving it really helped me fall in love you know but deep down it's just she was she was probably the frontrunner from beginning. As soon as she came out of limo, it was Rachel's to lose. And she hasn't lost it yet. Right. And people have lost it in the past, but Rachel hasn't in terms of Matt's eyes. So, yeah. But Brie, I mean, I like Brie as much as I like Rachel. I mean, she's just a breath of fresh air more than anyone I think Brie isn't meant for this world

and I mean that as a compliment to Brie is that she seems to be the most out of place in this very delusional crazy world that is Bachelor World and I really empathize with her willingness to she to really get out of her comfort zone you can tell this has been a real struggle for her to just you know say that she's in love and kind of go through the normal beats that are like oh it's fantasy sweet date so just so you know brie everyone says they're in love this episode So, you know, Brie, everyone says they're in love this episode.

And and I believe that she believes it. But you can tell she is she is not delusional. You know, like she she might be like she she has chosen to like accept this crazy world. I don't think she is totally unaware of how nutty it is. And I really empathize with her and her willingness to go there. I like Brie. I think you're right. She's a breath of fresh air. She's really relatable.

She's also super soft-spoken and not like loud and out there. I like her too. She was one of my favorites. Was it Rachel that said, you know, she didn't come from, she came from parents that were together and didn't have the same experience, but she feels- Michelle. Was it Michelle? It was Michelle.

But her experience is just as valuable as Matt's experience. So I think also having those opposing experiences to bring together and then make a healthy relationship, possibly in Matt's mind, was also really important. I don't know what he was thinking, but maybe that's part of it, too. Like he wanted someone from both ends of the spectrum that maybe didn't go through what he went through to bring their knowledge to the relationship. I mean, Brie even met. Yeah. Brie even mentioned, I think, on their first date that up into this point, she has actively, you know, her friends and other romantic partners, she almost sought out friends who had those relationships with their parents as a way to like have it herself,

right? And I think people do it all the time. So, you know, again, it certainly allowed them to relate to each other, but it doesn't mean it's going to make them connect to one another. And for Matt, he obviously seems more connected. Not obvious, but he ended up being more connected to Michelle and Rachel. I mean, to me, it was pretty clear once Michelle got the first rose that Brie was going home. I wanted Rachel to get the first rose for like 30 more seconds of suspense because to me, they took all the suspense out of it by giving Michelle the first rose for like 30 more seconds of suspense because it to me they took all the suspense out of

it by giving Michelle the first rose because I really I really didn't know going into that rose ceremony who if it was going to be Michelle or Brie going home I I thought I I would if you had asked me I would have said Michelle staying but I wasn't totally sure you've probably mentioned this before I'm sure you have but how long are they actually waiting for them to call their name? Like, how long is that suspense in real time? It seems like forever. When it's down to three, 20, 30 seconds. Oh, okay.

Depending. I mean, other things have happened where people have pulled people aside. But normally, you know, a few seconds. It feels like an eternity. I was thinking it was, like, deal or no deal. Like, before my dad always had like opened the case it was literally two minutes of suspense of just getting like audience reaction and the contestants reaction and stuff like that before they finally opened the case yeah um before before we ended it we went to tap uh uh touch on rachel's date

with matt i i thought i mean listen like rachel rachel probably got the last one because she was matt's favorite and then they rachel seemed to express she she she was the one most open about the struggle of matt spending the night with other women they all seem to struggle but rachel talked about the most so like you know of course she's the one who's gonna have to watch all the other ones go through it more but i i want to give rachel props that i thought she handled it pretty well like she expressed herself she could tell it was bugging her but she didn't you know she didn't gaslight matt for it she tried to empathize with matt under like again she just she tried to say i know this is nuts i know I like, I know I signed up for it,

but I'm still struggling it, struggling with it. Um, and, and so I just want to give props to her. I also thought the pottery date was kind of because they really leaned into like the, the disconnect. I mean, if, if, if no other date speaks to how powerful the soundtrack is to like give you a certain feeling it was that date go back and watch that date put it on mute and go to spotify in google like romance fairy tale like generic music and play it over matt and and rachel kind of awkwardly looking at each other while they're shitty at pottery because the music was was susp was suspenseful. And so every time they looked at each other, it looked like,

you know, it was suspenseful and it looked like they couldn't possibly make good pottery because they haven't, you know, resolved this issue. But, and then of course, once they resolve the issue,

perfect pottery, you know, it's like, but like, it's all, all silly and ridiculous, but that was like never in a movie it would have never been a thing that was sexy yeah no yeah like when did pottery become like that's so hot let's get pottery together uh yeah i mean you know ghost keeps on paying

dividends but go back and watch it go back and put it on mute because they're not saying anything. They're just, it's just looks right. So there's no, you're not missing any dialogue. You're just hearing a very suspenseful soundtrack. Turn off that soundtrack, put on another soundtrack. And in that moment, it will look like Matt and Rachel are falling in love just because it's different music. Just put the ghost music on it.

Yeah. Go ahead and put, you know, I mean, that's the same for like a lot of the different scenes. Like even when she was walking up, it was suspenseful music and you're like, Oh,

you can tell like, she's really having a hard time. What's wrong with Rachel? Yeah. She's just walking up. Like, do you walk with like a huge cheesy smile on your face all the time? No,

you walk like a normal person, which is probably what she was doing. Yeah. Yeah. But you're absolutely absolutely right just some dates show that more because you weren't really they weren't talking they were just sitting there and they and they just showed them looking at each other from moment to moment and being shitty at pottery and then you throw in some like suspenseful music and you're like, wow, they're these people need to talk. Otherwise we're not going to get any good pottery. Yeah. And then they do.

And there's romantic music and good. I was just like, it's, it's, it's the power of the mind and the power of music is really, truly, truly amazing. But they, they did talk, they made good pottery and they probably made sweet, sweet love to boot and congratulations. That is amazing. I actually didn't even think about that. But now I do want to go back and watch that scene again.

Do it. It's it's wild just how how different it feels. So, yeah, we we that's pretty much the episode. We got Michelle. We got rachel brie i think we'll be okay uh i really felt for her it was really sad it's i don't know matt's the what as far as matt's breakup skills i guess he's as good as anyone he's super nice he definitely throws in the thanks for thanks for telling me which is the kiss of death if you're if you're hearing that from matt thanks for sharing there's nothing you want to hear yeah i never want matt to thank me for sharing anything ever yeah yeah if he ever comes on your pod or when he's on your

podcast and he says thanks for sharing you know you're not doing a good job yeah i know i know matt's not falling in love with me if he thanks me for for sharing um any predictions yeah i think it's rachel yeah me too i think it's rachel i mean i wanted to be michelle but but you're right i think it's rachel yeah and what are your predictions did you make one before i think it's i think it's been Rachel for a while. And I do. I think Michelle's great. I know Rachel's been under fire. But as someone who's been in Matt's position, it gets frustrating when people tell you who they think is better for you.

You know what I'm saying? Like, Michelle might be great. We might, you know, like, listen, Matt and Michelle look like they'd be just amazing parents together. Right. They just, they, they look like I want to see the family they create because they just look like they would be just be great parents. You know, like you see that, right. You see that maturity, you see the way they vibe. And I don't know if, if Matt does pick Rachel, if they will work out or, or whatever, but like, that's who Matt likes. And if that's who Matt likes, I think that's who Matt likes, I think good for Matt.

And it doesn't mean he, if things don't work out with Rachel, that doesn't mean, I mean, the history of the show, have we ever had, other than Peter say with Kelly, but that wasn't even his runner-up, have we ever had a lead break up with their choice and then have a successful relationship with someone they broke up with? I don't think that's ever happened. I just think that Matt seems like, seems like, I obviously don't know him,

a really good, nice, genuine person. And I get the same sense and vibe from Michelle, that she's just a really good, nice, genuine, down to earth person. So that is why I am, nice, genuine, down-to-earth person. So that is why I was hopeful that it would be her. I just don't think it is. But maybe it's a good thing they don't end up together because I was actually out. My friends Ashley and Jared, who you may know of, Jacqueline, from the show, it was Ashley's birthday,

and so we went to dinner. It was my girlfriend, Natalie, Jared and Ashley and something similar than that. Jared and my girlfriend Natalie have is. They're the they're they're so overtly nice and they're so they show they're so good at showing gratitude. They they were so they're they're so good at thanking people for everything. And really they're so good at letting people know how grateful for they are for like bringing water to their table. Like I thank people, but they're just so good at it. And we were talking last night that like those two, like I need the Natalie in my life and, and, and, and Ashley needs the Jared to be like, those are the people that help us balance out. I look at the things that Natalie does and think what a great

reminder for me to challenge myself to do that. And there's things that, you know, I challenged Natalie and vice versa. So maybe Matt and Michelle are better off being separate because they will be that person in that relationship to say, to be that thoughtful and genuine person. And maybe it will be wasted on each other, you know, because sometimes we need to have partners who like challenge us and, and, you know, and not be exactly the same i'm just saying i don't know it could be i mean maybe maybe you're right maybe opposites attract and i'm totally wrong i yeah i'm gonna say you're wrong i don't think that just because two people are nice that means that they it's wasted on each other i don't mean nice I think I'm a nice person, but like, you know, it's Natalie's nicer, you know, she's just more thoughtful.

OK. And she reminds me when I need to be more thoughtful, when I when I don't realize it, when I realize I could be more thoughtful than I am. I don't know. Maybe I'm not making any sense. But I'm just saying maybe just because we see it doesn't mean they would be perfect together can I ask you I don't know if you want to talk about this but can I ask you about the rumors that he Matt is now with Heather Martin and your thoughts on it I've never heard that rumor oh I can talk about this I'm to date. I'm up to date on this. Without knowing anything, I would bet everything I own that it's untrue.

Hold on. I am all up in these TikTok conspiracy theories. So here is the deal. And I will tell you what they are saying. I have no intel, obviously. I don't know anything. But they said that him and Heather Martin posted a picture and they tagged their location and they were both in San Clemente at the same time when they were posting. He doesn't live in San Clemente. So what is he doing there at the same time as her? The other thing they were saying

is that she was on the women tell all and they cut her out and you can see the back of her head and they cut her out of it why would they cut her out uh because she's a conspiracy theory because she's was boring tv uh that's one option it could be again airtime people people like look maybe heather it didn't i don't know this to be true but it's entirely possible and i know it's happened in the past that them editing something out was a favor the person they edited out not all airtime is good time i'm just saying so like heather had a bad beat she you know she was highly criticized by both the women and bachelor nation for showing up if it weren't for the women being so mean to heather she she would have been

crucified by bachelor nation for showing up in a minivan like a week before hometowns and and maybe she had nothing to say i will tell you a part of the reason why heather was edited out that i know to be a fact is that when it was aired when it was filmed because heather was such a big moment heather didn't start the heather wasn't part of the uh heather wasn't sitting with the rest of the women when the episode started right they actually brought heather out as they sometimes do saying hey heather wasn't a part of the show let's's bring Heather out. So they did that, right. They did that when they filmed it. And then it ended up being kind of like a nothing moment. Like Heather didn't, I don't know what was said, but it was

deemed not that entertaining. So they, they didn't have, they didn't know what to do. So they, if they're going to edit that out, they just, they didn't show that segment. Right right which was and heather wasn't sitting with the other women for the first you know probably few hours of them recording it and that's that's why you know not because if matt was with her why wouldn't you want to air heather and give her more air time because they didn't want to give it away hold on and then okay and then and then she posted something about her clothing line. And Matt's mom commented and gushed about it. Why would Matt's mom even care about Heather? But also, can't they just like her and Hannah are friends.

And then she went and did this. Can't they just all be hanging out in San Clemente together? Exactly. Can't Matt feel bad that Heather, as like a guy and a friend to Hannah who's friends with Heather, just want to throw her a bone and support her clothing line? Can't Matt's mom support Heather without those two being together? Yes, that is very, very possible. I am just telling you that I love TikTok and I am all up in this conspiracy theory business and i'm telling you what's going on i don't know if it's true but i'm letting you in on like the little the the gossip

that's going on maybe maybe i don't know you probably don't have the time uh because you have your podcast with your dad and you are a parent but maybe we could start a new segment with you or maybe one of the it could be bullshit. Tick tock bachelor conspiracies that we debunk each season because like last with Peter season, it was he was dating the producer. And I was like, why is he always hanging out the producer? I'm like, because that's her job. Like it's her job to follow Peter wherever she goes and make sure Peter doesn't get himself in a mess. Can we call it busting bachelor bullshit? Sure. Great.

Yeah. Okay. I mean, I'm down, but I'm just going to let you know that you're the one debunking it and I am standing firmly behind these conspiracy theories. So do you want to believe it or do you believe it? I love, uh, well, I love conspiracy theories and gossip for the same reason. I love the bachelor and Bachelorette. It's entertaining.

It is so entertaining. So I don't know. It might be wrong. Who knows? One of these days, maybe one of these conspiracies will prove to be right. But I'm pretty certain Heather and Matt is not going to be the first one to be proven be proven correct no it's gonna be the men with meaty thighs yeah um jacqueline thank you so much for doing this it was a ton of fun i hope you enjoyed it thank you for having me on so i'm holding you to it me and you are now business partners and we have a spinoff podcast.

A debunking bachelor. I was going to be like, thanks, Nick. Yeah. Well, if we do. That's how you're going to get your name on the podcast. Yeah, I will say it, Jacqueline. Nick offered me my own. If we start this new podcast, I promise you, you will be part of your name will be in it.

Thank you. We'll be besties, bachelor besties. And maybe we can, is there any way that you can ask the audience or they could comment somewhere if they want this? Because I'm pretty sure the answer would be yes. I get in a fight with my audience often because I find conspiracy theories in general to be destructive and a waste of time and a distraction to the real things going on. But you're not the only one, Jacqueline, who loves a good conspiracy theory

and will fight hard to prove it's right only for it to not get any oxygen. But they'll agree with you more than they'll agree with me. Only ones that aren't harmful. I'm not talking about crazy conspiracy theories. Let's stick to Bachelor, Bachelorette. And most of those are harmless. Some of them not.

They can be harmful to the people involved. It just gets stressful. Okay. But I guess I'm a little sensitive for my peers who have to constantly get asked these questions. See how nice you are? You think you're not the nice one. You are the nice one. Two nice people do match not no no you have to be nice at your core i'm just talking about like

jared when jared's so nice that when you're at a table uh and so thoughtful that when a waiter brings four waters for the people at a table. Each time they set the water down, he says, thank you for each glass of water. He doesn't wait for that waiter to be done and give one thankful. It's thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. That's Jared. And that will always be Jared. And that's also Natalie. Too much for me. I feel like that's just like a little too much. And somewhere in the middle is probably the right answer. But I just think it's good to have those people. but two of those people oh my god it's exhausting the same relationship just two thank yous two glasses two thank yous is enough for you yeah do you need four thank yous i don't know i'm that person too i'm the thank you person so And it's great to have you in this world.

All right. But, you know, I'm not, you know, I don't know. Maybe you need four thank yous. I don't know. This has been a ton of fun, Jacqueline. We should do this again. Well, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you for having me on. I appreciate it. You are so very welcome.

One, you're welcome to your four thank yous. That's how I roll. Can you remind the people, as we will again on Wednesday, where they can find your new podcast that's coming up? I'm assuming where all podcasts are living, but if they want to follow you on social as well, where can they find you? So we have Howie Mandel does stuff.

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