The Viall Files - E249 Bri Springs Tells All

Episode Date: March 16, 2021

Today Bri Springs joins us to talk about her time on The Bachelor, The Finale, & AFR.  No topic is off limits tonight, including how she first tried sliding into Matt’s DMs before she knew she had been nominated to be on the show. After getting to know Bri a little bit more and learn all the things we did not on the show, she and Nick talk about some of the controversy the surrounded this season of The Bachelor, what she saw personally, what she and Rachael have spoken about, and what she thinks about meeting this moment, the future of the franchise and her place in it.   “If we can do better, I want to see us do better, instead of just not trying.” Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes.    THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Masterclass: http://www.masterclass.com/VIALL to get 15% off an annual membership! Headspace: http://www.headspace.com/VIALL for a FREE ONE-MONTH TRIAL with access to Headspace’s full library of meditations for every situation. Theragun: http://www.theragun.com/VIALL to try Theragun for 30 days starting at only $199.  Natural Habits: http://www.nhoils.com use promo code KRISSY for 40% off.    Episode Socials:  @viallfiles @nickviall @brisprings See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Hi everybody, welcome to a very special edition of the Vile Files. I'm your host Nick and we have a full house here and we just got done watching uh the finale of the bachelor and afr and we are about to break well we're about to talk an interview with brie we're not necessarily gonna break it down we'll break it down a little bit but we will it's a good time to tell you that we're mixing things up because it's the obviously a weird week with the finale but we will be recapping specifically the episode a and and afr with the wonderful zuri hall usually our recaps come before interviews but because we have this very special person and i mean brie with us who's doing our very first podcast we feel very special

to have her um and so that recap of zuri will be out a few hours after this one. So make sure when you get done listening to this episode with Brie, go check out me and Zuri breaking all things down from sending Michelle home to the proposal or whatever you want to call that, not proposal, AFR. And so we will talk about that. But now we have Brie in studio. And before we finally get to our conversation with brie be sure to subscribe rate us five stars all that fun stuff and go check out our ass nick episodes that dropped on monday if you are tuning in for the wonderful brie we get it

but we're also doing uh great things three days a week and if you like uh relationship drama and and people sharing their tragic problems and us figuring out how to solve those problems, you will love our Monday episode. So be sure to check that out. Anything else, Chrissy, that I'm forgetting? Or should we just get to... I think we should just get to it.

I'm so excited. Bree's here. I can't handle my life. Bree, welcome. Should we cheers? Let's cheers. Cheers. Weie's here. I can't handle my life. Brie, welcome. Should we cheers? Let's cheers. Cheers. We have alcoholic beverages.

Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers, guys. Whoops, just moved my mic. Sorry, guys. First time.

We're so happy to have you, Brie. Thank you so much for having me. You have no idea how excited I am. We've been fans of you from the beginning. There's a lot of team Brie in here. So this is going to be bias. Well, smidge. I love it.

Probably, yeah. I'll try to ask you the tough questions. But no, we enjoyed watching you. It was nice. You were fun to watch. You weren't that dramatic. You were... Brie, the unproblematic queen.

Yeah, which is great. Well, we literally just got done watching the finale finale and afr how do you want to start this interview brie do you you want to do we want to spend the first half i'm being serious when i ask you this question like what i like to do in these interviews is use this opportunity to get to know you yeah because um we don't really get to know the contestants on the show as much as we sometimes want and it's you know part of that is just because the way the show is structured. So we want to do that. But we also want to discuss AFR,

of which you were there, but not on the show. You were edited out. How do you want to start this off? Where does Brie want to start? Let's start with getting to know me. Okay. Yeah, I like that. I like that idea.

It's your guest. You're the guest. You okay, Chrissy? Not having it. That's a bombshell for me that she was there, but they edited her out. Being as like total team Brie. I am. Well,

we kind of always knew she was there. I felt like it was common knowledge. Yeah. I was watching a GMA interview and I saw that I was going to be there. And then I was. All right. We'll table that. Yeah.

Did you watch the show before you were on it uh the first season that i watched was uh peter season peter weber yeah peter weber season pilot pete season of the bachelor and i remember thinking to myself god these girls are crazy who in their right mind would ever go on this show and if you told me that i was going to go on the show a year later i would have told you you were lying to me. Yeah, that makes sense. And I found out because your dear friend is with you, she signed you up for the show. Yeah, my best friend Nina signed me up for the show.

Did she do it without your knowledge? Did she go behind your back or was she like, hey, I'm going to do this thing and kind of laughed? She literally said, hey, I'm going to nominate you to be on the season of the bachelor do you think this guy's cute and i just responded yeah haha okay cool didn't think anything of it and then you obviously heard from them and then i i heard from them and i because i sent i sent nina my work email and then i i heard from them through my work email and I was looked at my I remember looking at my my now old manager and was like are you guys playing a joke on me like

is this some kind of sick joke and they're like no this is not a joke and then I heard from them and then we got the we got the ball rolling from there what was the final decision for yourself that made you say, you know what, I'm gonna do this? Because that makes, your story you tell reminds me of mine, my friend. My friend's wife signed me up, similar thing. She said it to me in passing, I laughed at the idea, and then I guess she did, and then I was literally in San Francisco at the time when I got the call,

I was at Dreamforce. Were you at got the call. I was at Dreamforce. Were you at Salesforce? Yeah, I was at Dreamforce. And I was like, are you still interested? I'm like, it's still interesting. What? And so I wasn't going to go. And then for me, it was at the time, the people I worked for, I've told the story before,

were very supportive. What was it for you? Because you seem, again, like a very pragmatic person that wouldn't watch the show and naturally go, Oh, I gotta be on this. Like I could I would crush this. Yeah. But you you said yes to something that felt maybe unnatural when you first considered it. Yeah, I am. It's a really good point. I do feel like I am very, very pragmatic. And honestly, I think it was just the fact that Matt was casted as the first black bachelor and I think that was immediately what enticed me to want to be on the show and funny story was I actually tried to shoot my shot in his dms and I was like you know what I might just have a better

shot just going on the show so was this before you were going through the casting process this was like maybe it was a little bit before but also during to the point obviously at a time where i just didn't think i'd go on the show had he been named the bachelor yeah he was named the bachelor probably at a point where i didn't realize that i was actually going to go on the show or at least i was not taking it seriously um yeah he didn't respond to the dm that's either way that's some swag i mean i try i tried a man is named the bachelor and you're like i don't need this show i'm gonna go ahead and slide what did you write do you still have the dm no gosh no i had to unsend it you did i had to unsend it because i was going on the show what did you say i think i just said hey

i mean i'm not i'm also wait what we just wrote hey like hi maybe i said like hi i think our friends would really think we'd hit it off or something it was very it wasn't like that's better than hey okay well i don't know how to flirt either so i was you're like well let's get a status report are you single i'm single okay so you're out there you're looking to meet guys yeah in the future i mean listen you're an attractive person so hey we'll probably get you far but like i was so comfortable and confident hey i thought i could just say hey usually that's about to ask nick you was uh was your was your instagram at least public

no oh that's the worst i get that all the time or it'd be like you're like hey and then i'm like hey what i can't even do anything with this like what i mean that's confidence come i mean come to come to learn now at this point i've heard other i've heard people say you know people slide in my dms if they're private like no chance no shot so that's why i decided to go on the reality tv show to shoot my shot because i thought i had a better chance at doing that competing for one man against 35 other women did you ever tell Matt throughout the process that you DM? No way. That's so embarrassing. How is that embarrassing?

That's I find that to be very, I didn't want to be. It's endearing. And also like you, you clearly have a confidence in you that made you go. I got a shot here. I had so much confidence as I was like, I'm not even going to tell him.

I don't even need to tell him I DMed him because I'm going to win. There are two people who DM, right? There's people who are like, fuck it, what's the worst? Like, I don't know. I'm just, I'm not, they're not going to reply. And there are people who are like,

I mean, they might. And you strike me as the latter. I thought he would. Yes, exactly. I thought he would. Yes, exactly. I thought he would reply. So I'm surprised you didn't be like, yeah, what's up? Why don't you write back? I was just like, let's just start from a clean slate.

We'll start from a clean slate. And then I, no, I never told him. I felt really confident too. I was like, I mean, first of all, I came on the show because I, from what I learned about Matt through social media, through the internet, through obviously, you know, talking to the people who knew him already, I thought we'd hit it off.

I really thought that like, okay, this is someone that I could see myself with in the real world dating life. Clearly shooting my shot in the DMs did not work out. So I was like, I'm just going to I'm going to go for it. I'm going to go on the TV show. Well, we're all glad you did. Thank you for sharing that story. What were what did you think when you first got there?

Like, what was the experience like? And I am particularly interested in this question is because again you are that pragmatic person yeah um how long did it take for you to really kind of be in it yeah um it was probably i mean i got quite literally plunged into it because i was the first one-on-one date so So going into it, it was all so new to me. Like I didn't realize how I not, again, I'm a very confident person, very confident woman. I never got nervous. Like I, I mean, honestly, let alone never gone on a blind date before. And this was essentially like a blind date. So I'm getting thrown into it there. You know, I'm, I get there and I'm like, like okay this is like how it is on

the show okay and then that first date comes around and and it's it's weird it's a weird dating experience um I think it didn't quite hit me until maybe after our first date and it took me a while to really get comfortable with Matt on the show because cameras are watching you again I'm not a nervous person usually but in these moments I'm like people are watching me cameras are on me like I'm nervous I'm extremely nervous yeah no that makes sense um let's have a few more show related questions I feel like I'm required to ask per my audience. Who did you get along with? Who are your closest friends while filming? Who are you connected with now? What was that experience like in the house? Yeah, I had I personally had a really great experience in

the house speaking for just my experience and perspective on there um on the show i was incredibly close with jessenia she was my roommate um rachel serena p chelsea um after the i mean you talk you talk to everyone right you're in situations where you're talking to everybody and after the show i've grown extremely close to obviously all the women of color. Michelle and I grew a relationship after the show. Ryan. Yeah. I pretty much talk to everyone. So everyone likes Brie.

I like everyone. I like everyone. There was a lot of conversations this season about Mean Girls. Yeah. And the drama that unfolded. We've heard, you know, there's what the audience saw, and we've heard kind of mixed things from the women on the season.

Obviously, even AFR, that was kind of a topic of discussion of, was it as toxic or as Mean Girl-y as we saw, or was that just the focus of the show? What we noticed watching it is that you definitely were not involved at all. Is that what happened in reality? And from someone who was kind of an outsider, but yet was there,

what was your take on on that kind of well that topic the mean girl was there a lot of mean girl stuff going on or what was your take yeah i mean well first question i did say the drama right like i was there for one thing and that was to find love and i was there for matt's um I also, I will just say this too, I had to be cognizant of the fact that I could potentially go back to my job. So I knew that the more I spoke and the more camera time I got,

I feel like you said this, no one wants to be that person on camera all the time. So I knew if there was any real shot at me wanting to go back into my corporate role, I had to keep my mouth shut. But I also, again, I'm not one to be caught up in the drama. People usually come to me with their problems and I like to talk through issues

and talk through things with people. So I was definitely there for a lot of that to just kind of see people through that. But that's the thing is it was balanced. You know, I think in a situation like that, you are you're only privy to your experience and your perspective. And so I stayed out of a lot of it. And so while I didn't personally in the moment think that it was that dramatic watching it

back, I was like, yeah, I mean, it the house seemed toxic. The house seemed it seemed really hard to live in but i have to say i think a lot of that also is up to editing i i had a great experience and i think as much negative things that were shown there was so many more positive things that happened in the house like i truly did have a relationship with every person, every woman there. And I mean, I wish you got to see more of that, but I mean, I understand like there's- That's the drama.

A TV show is entertaining. Right, exactly. We're in it for the entertainment. So if I'm hearing you right, is that that stuff did happen. Yeah. It was real. And maybe there was some getting alongness

and they actually showed us the dates that they literally just said, hey, we're not going to show you. Yeah, that's a perfect example of like the dates were so much fun. I mean, we all had so much fun together. Why you didn't see it? Everyone's like helping each other out. Let me get there for you. Please come in front of me. You know, like who wants to watch that? It's so, who wants to watch like women getting along? I don't know. But I mean, those were the funnest moments. Like I had some of my most fun memories in the house were on my dates with all the women. I love being a master in as many things as possible.

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good relationship with her on the show you know do I think that a lot of situations and her responses were warranted? No, but I know she has a good heart. I mean, I, I, I know all of the women on the show have, have really good hearts. And unfortunately this environment's just, it's not meant for everyone. Yeah. Were, were you like, so much of the, what I was, Were you like, so much of the, what I was, I was a little surprised watching it. And I empathize with, you know, everyone who's been on that show because I get how it works. I get how pressure, like just you're in a bubble and things seem like a big deal. And I've been guilty of reacting to trivial things in that environment. But I was surprised just how mad the women got when new people would show up.

You, again, were quiet. Were you just as frustrated but chose to just keep, you know, like were you frustrated on the inside? Yeah. Or were you surprised by the level of frustration that some of the women expressed? Oh, and both. You know, I mean, I was, I prepared myself. I mentally prepared myself for anything could happen.

Anything could happen at any moment. So to me, to see five new women show up, I'm like, yeah, this is part of the show, right? Like it's going to happen. But it was frustrating, right? It was frustrating because we did form connections and relationships with Matt up until that point. And no, I don't think a lot of people's reactions were warranted. So I was surprised, but I'd be lying if I didn't say that you're, it's, I don't know the word that i'm looking for is but whenever you're on this bubble it's like this like the syndrome where you all want to think and act the same so i even found myself getting a little bit frustrated like i found myself by the end of the night being like oh i don't like them why don't i like them i don't know them i love michelle i love ryan i love

britney like these women are great but in that moment, you start to take on everyone else's emotions and everyone else's feelings that there's really no escaping it. So in my mind, like I was frustrated, but I also, again, I had mentally prepared myself to like know like this could happen. So I'm not gonna act out, like it's gonna be fine. And I was confident in my relationship with Matt at that time too, where I was like,

yeah, you know, this is what happens. So you and Matt, that's a nice segue. Thank you for setting me up. I appreciate it. You were from our point of view, obviously very connected to Matt and your exit was very heartbreaking for us and seemed like for you as well definitely um like i guess how how was it what was that like how are you doing was it how how how much of it do you feel like was fully expressed from the show or you know what is your take on that yeah i mean there's definitely no denying that matt and I hit it off straight from the beginning. And I, and I kind of had a feeling that that would happen. And, and I think it was the similarities that we both had that I'd never felt with anyone in my past relationships. Like I've never connected

with anyone on multiple levels. I'm biracial. I, my, I grew up with a single mom, you know, my dad was not in the picture. I mean, I've quite literally never come across anyone who had a similar experience or similar upbringing to me. So I think that's what was so drawing about Matt and the relationship and even our first date. I'd never connected with someone on all of those levels on a first date like that, going on, let alone a blind date.

all of those levels on a first date like that. You know, going on, let alone a blind date. And I really take pride in the fact that I was able to allow myself to fall in love and open up the way I did. I wasn't expecting it. It's not something that I've ever had to do in a relationship, but I knew that it was something that I had, it felt like it was something that I had to do if I did want to see myself at the end of this. And so I kind of leaned into that wholeheartedly. Yeah, it's funny because people get excited on first dates when they like the same movie. Yeah.

Or they go, I'm gonna order a pepperoni and pizza. I'm like, can I share it with you it's also my favorite and yet here you are on the bachelor in this very kind of high stakes environment and on these very personal yeah uh levels you connected with someone on on many things and i can you were kind of screwed i was screwed i was really screwed from the beginning like i it was again something and that's why i went on the show too because from what i knew of him at the time i was like wow like i really think we could actually get along like our lives seem to be so parallel um where

again to me that was something that was always like missing in past relationships so i was like why not give it a shot? Watching you, I related, I felt like I related a lot to you from my experience. You know, I'm a natural born skeptic. I'm very pragmatic. I came in very reluctant. And when I went through it, you know, I had an early date, not the first,

and I didn't necessarily relate to Andy like you related to men on those personal levels but once I had my first date I was just kind of like fuck you know I got the first impression around I was pretty much yeah and so I very much struggled allowing myself to just kind of be all in and I saw when I was watching you throughout the season I could see this on your face of just like everything your brain told you like this is ridiculous this is nonsense this is silly but like you almost like had to like I could see you having conversations with yourself and tell me if I'm wrong

of being like you know what Bree fuck it just just just do it for it just jump off the cliff just you know what well we'll we'll be fine yeah is that true it's so true and i mean it's so true and especially because there were times where i was sitting there talking to all the girls and i was like literally i remember this moment it was towards the end and i was we were talking and i was like wait you guys told him you're in love with him it's like wait you guys what and in my mind i was like wait you guys told him you're in love with him i was like wait you guys what and in my mind i was like because i am so pragmatic and i felt like i was trying to take this at like a quote-unquote normal pace and i wanted to just be true to myself and be natural to myself i was like i'm not going to force anything i'm not going to say i'm in love with

this man and if i don't actually feel it And so there was literally moments where I was like, I feel like I'm going at a slower pace compared to everyone else. Or I just realized like I hadn't expressed any of my feelings to him whatsoever. I was just going at what I thought was the natural pace of dating. And then finally, I was like, it was, you know, at the point where I finally saw my mom and I finally saw my best friend and they, you know, kind of like instill that vote of confidence in me where they were like, share with him how you feel. Because otherwise I would have, again, just been thinking like, okay, well, I'm just going to go on like a normal pace of what I think is happening here. I think I know the answer, but I'll ask it anyways.

I think I know the answer, but I'll ask it anyways. Do you have any regrets for being as vulnerable and as open and kind of taking all the walls down and saying I love you to Matt, knowing how it ended? Yeah. How do you look back on that experience? Yeah, I have no regrets. I have no regrets allowing myself to open up and to really fall for him because, I mean, I think one thing that I would love

for people to know is like, I came into this experience knowing that there was a possibility that we wouldn't end up together. Like, I mean, I think it would have been really naive of me. I mean, I was very confident in thinking like, yeah, it's gonna be me at the end of this. But at the same time, I was like,

there is actually, you know, 95% chance that i'm not going to be with him and i think allowing myself to fall for him and push myself to just be honest with myself and be open like that made me a better person because i don't i don't do that i really don't usually do that we often hear especially on the bachelor season, women have great intuition. They kind of observe things. And the men do it too. But often you hear that people kind of always knew someone was a frontrunner.

Did you, knowing that you seem to have thought it through, did you ever feel like you were Matt's frontrunner? And if not, did you always think Rachel was? I always knew that I was a front runner, except I think a turning point where I started to lose confidence in that was hometowns, where I really started to feel like doubting the relationship and the connection that we had. was Hometowns, where I really started to feel like

doubting the relationship and the connection that we had. Like in that moment, at that rose ceremony after Hometowns, I really did feel like he could have had stronger connections with the other women. And to be honest, I didn't know that it was Rachel and I didn't know that it was Michelle, like know if it was Rachel or Michelle. But I just, I kept being, I wanted to be steadfast in my decision. So I was able to kind of like easily talk myself out of the doubt that I was feeling

and been like, nah, you're the front runner. You got this. That makes, yeah. You can easily get in your head, but there's so many, you're like, oh no, you know, but that's so many people like, oh no, you know, like, but that was such a great moment. Yeah. Well, and then what's funny too, is I kind of thought back, I was like, well, if all the girls had just come back

and said what they had talked to Matt about, then none of us would have made it that far because we would have known that, I mean, cause watching it back, you know, it became very increasingly clear to me where Matt's heart was the entire time. And that was with Rachelachel and so i'm thinking like oh you know if if like midway through the season if we had just known what they talked about

you know maybe what if we would have like made a decision like oh well maybe our connection is not that strong but again you're you it's a it's a situation where you you want to keep your cars close to your chest it's like somewhat of a competition but not and it's yeah it's all weird it's all kind of whack yeah that makes sense um you talked at your hometown with your mom and it was interesting because i think michelle did as well but you talked about a past relationship that really seemed to have an impact on your life and i don't expect you to name names or anything like that but i think a lot of people wanted to hear more about you know how that did mold you and what was what was it about that relationship that impacted you so much and is

there anything about that you can or are willing to share yeah a past relationship yeah you you mentioned i talk about that there was like a, at hometowns, it was like something you and your mom, when you and your mom talked, it was like, you had been through some shit and you guys were like, we're not going to talk about it, but like, you know, girl. And I was just like curious if there's any more you're able to share. Yeah. I specifically what it was like, you know, I don't, you don't throw anyone on the bus. No, no, no. I shared this with Matt. I specifically what it was like, you know, I don't, you know, throw anyone on the bus. No, no, no.

I shared this with Matt. I had, I had been in love before. And so, I mean, one of the things that I like, you didn't really see about my journey is for me, it was like a, how is this different? Like I did have to ask myself how this love felt different than the previous love that I'd been in. And like I said, I'd never been able to relate with someone on multiple deep levels that I learned on the show were really important to me. Like I wanted to be with someone who had a similar experience that I

did. And, you know, growing up being biracial and not having my dad in the picture, I grew up with my mom who's like white passing. My family is like a melting pot of cultures like mexican spanish and i went to predominantly white schools my entire life and so i was never able to find someone that i literally looked at and was like we get each other we understand each other because of our lived experiences so to me that was like that was huge that was like everything to me that we did have such similar lived experiences despite how we both grew up interesting thanks for sharing yeah so let's i guess get into afr a little, and then we'll finish up playing our favorite game with Brie. Do you know me to have some more fun about Brie?

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There was probably, I mean, I don't, the most women of color on this season. Ever, yeah. Those are great things. Yeah. And yet so much of the season was kind of tainted with this controversy that, you know, with Rachel and with Chris, what was that experience like for you as that was unfolding while it was,

while it was airing? And I, and, and, and now that i'm thinking this out loud um part of your reason to go on it sounded like from the historic aspect of matt being the first black bachelor you being a woman of color what was that like what was that experience like for you as as it was unfolding yeah i i think the only word to encompass my experience for me was just disappointing because I don't think anyone foresaw how the season could could potentially go. You know, everyone I think everyone had very high hopes for the season. And what I mean by that is, you know, I do just think that there was a missed opportunity on the show's part to tackle, you know, much larger conversations and much larger issues. I mean, I think given the show's prominence and given the reach that it has into Americans' homes,

there was an opportunity to tackle these issues and tackle these conversations and really see the conversations that I feel like we all had with Matt and might have had with each other. And that felt a little bit overshadowed by somewhat over-exaggerated drama and maybe a little bit unnecessary drama. That's the only word i can use to describe it was was disappointing um and it's hard though but because i think you know it's just a good learning lesson moving forward um yeah i i think that's a nice way to put it yeah it, it's true. Yeah. It's not been easy. It definitely hasn't been easy because at the same time,

it's like, what can you do? Would you have liked to see the show focus more of its airtime on some of these topics? What I will say is, is that I do think, I just think that it was a missed opportunity. I don't know that it's necessarily like what topics we could have shown um

I'm like catching myself trying to be trying to think about this correctly but I wish you could have gotten to see more of the women's stories rather than the drama. I mean, because I think one of the biggest things for me coming on the show was, oh, you know, I mean, I told Matt this night one, I've not seen diverse love stories before. I don't know what that looks like. And I wish, you know, I would have wished for young women to have seen some more of these stories. I mean, for example, like I wish women could have seen the turmoil and the decision, the turmoil of the decision making to quit my job, for example, like in my mind, being in the pandemic and, you know, a situation that a lot of women have been facing in the pandemic you know choosing between

career between family like that would have been something that i think a lot of women could have benefited from i think it could have been an opportunity for the show to provide like valuable commentary on what's been happening in our world and i just wish people could have seen more of that was um was that recorded like that decision? Because thank you for bringing that up because I wanted to know, are you still looking for work? I'm currently polishing up my resume. Well, for anyone out there, we have a very affluent audience and I'm sure some very wonderful companies and hiring managers out there. I'd vouch for you i love it i love to hear it but uh on a serious note is that something that was documented like your decision to

like were you on camera when you quit or was that conversation or the come you know that whole process because of could we have seen more? Yes. I wish people could have seen more. That's what I will say about that. I wish people could have seen more of the decision-making process and why I got to where I did. Because I think for me, just hearing people say like,

Brie quit her job for this man. I wish people would have gotten to see the decision-making process behind that and why I did that. Because it wasn't as simple. Because it wasn't as clear. You know, I think people were like, well, how did she get there?

We didn't see that relationship or we didn't see that connection. Like we didn't. So it's just, I wish people could have seen more of that. I would have loved to have seen more of that because that's a real high stakes thing and it's also very

it was a hard decision to make and very relatable to your point and people who listen to this podcast we get a lot of questions around work versus love long distance careers and things like that

and I think that would have been nice to see and I've said it before on this season like the the show's decision to have 35 women i hope we never see that again um yeah it's it's it's for someone it is it's you're gonna get drama and i i love drama so i i will defend the show in the sense that like, I sometimes we love to complain about the show, but there's a reason why people watch that. Right. At the same time, once you get to the end,

you can't be asking the questions that seem to be so prevalent. This season is like, what, like, why is anyone here? I don't know any of these relationships. I mean, yeah,

Michelle, Brie, like, Brie quit her freaking job they seem great i mean yeah i guess like i guess i would have picked brie too but like why you know like uh i get that and and and you know like i said it was like it was it ridiculous that heather showed up five days before hometowns it's fucking insane it was stupid uh i hope they never do that again because um it it it certainly got drama um i i look at it from from matt's standpoint as someone who's been in matt's shoes it's just like he spent

way too much time meeting people yeah right and and every time he had to meet someone was a conversation he wasn't having with someone like you or Michelle or Rachel or, you know, someone that he's like, I see something here, but I still don't know who the hell you are. Yeah. You know?

And I, I really hope they never do that again. Um, because, uh, yeah, they, they have,

they have to choose every season to figure out what they want to put out there and what they don't. And here we had, you know, again, this is the show admitting to us. But I also understand it too, because I'm like'm like i mean what i've realized is oh well there's no travel you know because i guess again i i wasn't a big fan of the show not that i wasn't a fan i just never watched it but apparently the draw was the travel and so the

fact that you can't travel it's like okay well what am i watching just a bunch of girls sitting here in a hotel room like there was a travel show element to that people like to like where are they going yeah yeah for sure and it created these like beautiful like exaggerated dates like first romantic dates like you're what in paris eiffel tower like totally yeah people love to see you love to see it i i do empathize with them on that side i still don't think they should do that again. I mean, it's nice. Well, for the girl's sake, I hope not. Anyone's sake, next time, I hope not.

Yeah, it's just like, fine, they did it. They got trauma. They didn't do anything. Yeah, I hope they don't do it again. Did you talk uh to rachel i mean you mentioned that rachel was someone that you were friendly with and friends with pretty close with while filming did you talk with rachel at all um as this controversy was unfolding uh during the the airing of the season yeah yeah listen i mean i reached out to rachel kind kind of whenever these videos and photos first surfaced to extend my support, you know, offer it where I could check

in on her. And I hadn't heard from her and we hadn't connected on it in person actually until very recently. So, but again, being in kind of being in her shoes, I can somewhat sympathize with, I mean, I've even just had trouble responding to my closest friends and my closest family members. So I get that.

So I've heard from her and I can tell you that we support each other and I'm there for all the women. Okay. Very nice answer. It's true. No, I'm there for all the women. Okay, very nice answer. It's true. No, I know. It's so true. I mean, ask everyone.

I mean, listen, one of the biggest things was, while it is a competition, and this is, again, what I wish people could have seen is like the women were such a source. We were such a source of support for each other and a source of strength for each other throughout this because it was hard. I don't know if any any of the maybe the other women from past seasons can relate to this but it wasn't i don't think it was how any one of us expected our journeys to go i

mean if you asked any of us where we would be at the end of this or how the season would end no one would have predicted how it would have ended so there's a bonding experience totally for everyone who goes on and yeah and and yes the drama is always exact not exaggerated it's tightened but there is even like when you're filming it the i mean especially as from the guy's standpoint yeah forget about what they air i mean you're just like what why are you guys yelling at me you know like she gave me a rose what the fuck did i do i don't i don't understand yeah um i mean it was entertainment for me too while i was on the show like i was just sitting there with my every time you guys fight i'm

looking great i was just i mean i was just like well i'm so bored so okay um so afr we just got done watching that and uh we watched it together yeah it was i get it was a tough watch i think um i think we kind of knew it would be a tough watch i guess um yeah it was i was i didn't i didn't know if matt and rachel were still together but what what were your thoughts how did you i mean how did you think we're what did you think i don't know it's a loaded question or maybe let's let's start simpler okay you were there yeah what happened what did you do on afR that we didn't get to see? Like who did you have conversations with? Yeah, that was disappointing again, just, you know, because I can confirm that I was there and I can confirm that for me being there really gave me,

I came to a conclusion at the end of this entire experience. And I wish people could have seen that. You know, it's disappointing to not see. Like I had a great conversation with Emmanuel and it really just kind of put a bow around my entire journey and was a really good closure for me to walk away from the experience with it. Overall, yeah, it was hard to watch, watch i think i don't know maybe people will feel that way um did you talk to matt at afr no i did not okay so the only conversation you had was with a man yeah the only conversation i had is with the manual gotcha uh how so and you did you get

to see the when you when we watched it together was that the first time you got to see any of these other conversations yeah that was that was my first time seeing all these conversations and they were they were hard i mean i really hope that people i hope for all their sakes that they were able to kind of walk away from it with with the same closure i mean that's what i hear you know that's what people go for and so but gosh i mean i could only just empathize with everyone that was sitting there because i was sitting there and i remember you know it was really hard for me to even sit there um and i didn't even see matt so i could only imagine what michelle and rachel and you know even katie were were experiencing in that and it just looked it looked hard we noticed the most well the

michelle let's start with michelle michelle uh seemed to be still affected by the relationship and she's she seemed not necessarily still not necessarily still angry, but she was willing to bring us back to that moment of when Matt broke up with her. And she shared with us that Matt refused to talk to her. You have talked with Michelle. Did you know that before? And if so, were you surprised to hear that?

Yeah, I mean, I think whenever you leave that situation, you're kind of left to put all of the pieces of the puzzle back together. I mean, again, I'm only privy to my experience and my perspective on the show. And so after the fact, you know know you want to figure out what happened you want to figure out how we ended up where we ended up i i know you know michelle expressed to me that she didn't get the closure that she needed at the end of this experience and again i think at least to us this after the final rose moment is that opportunity to get that closure.

Like watching it back, watching my breakup back, that was the closure that I needed from my journey and my experience. You know, it was very, again, watching it back, clear to me where Matt's heart was. And that was, I was okay to walk away from it after that, seeing how it all ended. But the reality is, is like,

that's not everyone's source of closure and and i think michelle probably left being like well what the hell was that what happened oh i i i empathize with michelle because you're just like you're like how did we get here how did we get here well because it's more like hey we're gonna break up and then like they leave and in the real world, every breakup, you're just like, can we talk?

And then you do and you have a few breakup conversations and you get it out. Yeah, I said this during my breakup. I was like, the hardest thing is like, there's no follow-up conversation in this. This is just like, all right, bye, see you later.

I guess we never had any type of relationship. I didn't ask you this, so I apologize going backward. But when Matt sent you home, how shocked were you? When Matt gave Rachel the first, was he gave? He gave Michelle the first rose.

Yeah. Were you, did you think you were going home or when that first rose was handed out or were you still not sure? Yeah, I knew. I had an inkling

that I was going home from the moment that kind of locked eyes as soon as he got off there. I mean, I could, someone, I think I was going home from the moment that kind of locked eyes as soon as he got off there I mean I could someone I think I was watching yeah I think I was watching

with like I was watching with my family friends and they were like you look so angry and I was like yeah I think I knew at that point

that I was not getting that rose I was watching and I'm like she knows she knows I knew it's okay it's good that you knew. So Matt and Rachel's conversation.

It seemed like, I didn't really know what to expect, but I guess what did you think of both the things Rachel said and the things that Matt said to Rachel? What was your take on that? Yeah. I mean, I think Rachel was extremely apologetic. Again, I mean, I said this whenever I spoke to Manuel, it could be very easy for me to sit here and cast judgment and say, look, I would have done this if I were Rachel, or I would have done X.

But the reality is, is I've never come close to being in a situation like that. And I don't know what that feels like. I don't know how long it would have taken me to respond to something like that. I don't know how scared I would have been at the world's reaction to this. Like, even for me, like I have not done anything wrong. And I'm sitting here wondering what people are gonna,

how people are gonna respond to anything I say or do. And I've not, I don't think I've done anything wrong. I totally agree. I, I, I've thankfully have never been in a situation like that, but having been in this world. Yeah.

And knowing, you know, the social media platform, like you first are like, you, you don't, you get scared. You don't know what to do.

You talk to friends and family. Yeah. Your friends and family don't know what the fuck to do. Everyone has different responses. They have different opinions. Yeah. And you don't know what to do, you talk to friends and family. Your friends and family don't know what the fuck to do because they have different opinions and they don't know. Everyone says what they would do in a situation. You wouldn't do, and then keep in mind this first came out by some random girl's TikTok

and you're like, do I bring it up? Do I talk about it? And so I think we're on the same page as we at least recognize that we would have fear and it would be hard it's very easy for people to be like i'd be up there and and and own it from the beginning but i mean i could say exactly what i think i would do but again i've not been in that situation i don't know what i would do and so sitting seeing her sit there in that moment you know talking having to talk about that, having to relive all the

experiences, I went through the same thing. And so I really, I sympathize with her. And I would say just as a viewer, I thought they were in love. I really did. I thought that he was her end all be all. She was his end all be all. that he was her end all be all, she was his end all be all. And it was, I mean, it was hard to just see it not be able to work after.

I mean, think about how much pain had to be caused and inflicted and how many mistakes had to be made to get where we are now. Like that was a lot of suffering that we all had to go through to just all walk away from it by ourselves yeah i mean look we all we have each other at least the women and i we all have each other but it's it's tough it's lonely i mean because i mean i think about it even with my best friends like

they can't relate to what i've been through they've never tried to date the same guy no to what I've been through. They've never tried to date the same guy. No. It's a very weird club. It's not. I don't know if it's even like the best club to be in. Do you think you'll get defensive when people say to you,

you know what you signed up for? Oh, I know what I signed up for. You do? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I get defensive. I don't get defensive because I do know what I signed up for. Oh, I know what I signed up for. Oh, you did? Yeah, that's why I'm... I get defensive. I don't get defensive because I do know what I signed up for. That's what I was saying.

It was so easy for me to be able to walk away and be like, it is what it is because I came in there knowing what could happen. So it wasn't nuttier than you even thought it was

when you showed up? It was nuttier after the fact. Got it. It's all been nuttier like after the fact like i'm like whoa like we really did what was your take on matt's response to rachel it i it seemed it's uh we were kind of surprised i was surprised and like i say i was surprised because again i thought they were head over heels for each other i thought for each other they were each other's like end all be all like i thought they left being like i could see myself spending the rest of my

life with you and for me you know that is for me something that i would want to be able to experience with someone to go through someone like These are the hard times. And I kind of remember saying that on the show. I remember saying, I want to be with someone who's going to want to sit through the hard times with me. I know it's not going to be fairy tales and a carriage ending. I want someone who's going to stand by my side through all of it. And I just, I would hope, I don't know, I would just want that in someone else. And so the fact that they couldn't be that for each other, I'm sure that's really hard for them. I'm sure that's really hard for the both of them. I get where Matt's coming from as a black woman.

I get where Rachel's coming from having been in her situation. And just, God, I don't think anyone knew that they were going to come into this experience and this is how it's going to end. Yeah. No, it is unfortunate. And I definitely wish them both the best. Yeah. It was sad that, you know, I think we heard the rumors

that Matt picked Rachel and it seemed watching it that Rachel was his front runner and yeah and then you had this controversy and again I couldn't relate on so many levels but you were there was this hope that maybe they'll get through it together and unfortunately that wasn't the case and you know like you said we it's having been in Matt's shoes as The Bachelor, you do feel this immense pressure to try to do everything right, to try to make everyone happy all while this is your life. This is your whole life. This is your whole life. At the end, you have to respect the fact that he had to make a decision

that was best for himself because he's the one that's gonna have to live with it for you know the rest of his life totally i got one uh more tough question for you before we're gonna do you know it's not that tough we'll see how you answer it i don't know uh as a single person uh there's this very popular show called bachelor in paradise that will be uh i think, recording. I think they start probably shooting somewhere in June-ish, July. And while I have no doubt you are capable of finding employment before that, what are the chances we see you on that show? That's my first question i've part one that's yeah nick i think you said it um yourself best last week i don't think that i was meant for this world um it's is a very

highly produced driven world and um you know i can take i can i can confidently say that i've taken a lot of lessons away from this experience and one of those being that i probably won't put myself back into a situation so we're done seeing brie on abc well i don't know for now. For now. For now. Okay. Yeah. Well, my follow-up question would be, and I'm still going to ask it because I know you have a lot of friends on that show,

and I would be remiss if I didn't ask a tough question. All the women of color made a statement, and there have been a lot of people of color, the men even from past seasons, who have spoken up about what's been going on with Chris Harrison, the host of color made a statement. And there have been a lot of people of color, the men even from past seasons, who have spoken up about what's been going on with Chris Harrison, the host of the show. And of their discomfort level or just concerns about being on set with Chris,

especially this upcoming season. And time can heal wounds. And we'll see the process goes through and we don't know really where the decision is at going forward, whether this is a permanent or temporary thing. But with the conversations you had with some of your friends, do you feel that is a real concern for your peers and the people of color who are on the show for something that ABC and Warner Brothers has to consider? Yeah, I mean, I think that Chris, given his large prominence on the show,

really has an opportunity to be a good catalyst for change, in my opinion. I just... As a woman of color, as a black woman, it was hard to watch everything that unfolded this season. And it's hard, again, for me to put myself back into an environment where I know what happens. Like, I've seen it happen.

Not once, not twice, but multiple times. So I can't say for me that it'd be beneficial for me to put myself back into that situation. And maybe that's how a lot of other people feel. But I do think that the show does still have an opportunity to make change. And I do think they are taking some of the steps in the right direction. I think it's just they're going to have to put their words into actions and we'll see. I don't know if I'm going to be there for it, but we'll see.

All right. Well, thank you for sharing. Those are tough questions and it's tough for me to ask. Chris is a friend too, but they need to be asking. You're someone who lived through this experience and had to deal with this fallout.

I mean, that's the thing. I know it was stressful for a lot of people involved in this community, but I can only imagine what it was like for you and all of your peers on that show to have to deal with it firsthand. Yeah, and I liked Chris, and I think it goes to speak for everyone.

You know, we all, I think there are a lot of lessons that every single person, all of us can take away from this to do better because if there's a world in which the show can tackle these larger issues

and can tackle these conversations, like I'd rather see that than see people be inflicted with pain or lose their jobs or have to experience this again. Because at the end of the day, it's like all of our lives were affected in different ways. So if we can do better, I want to see us do better as opposed to just not try. For sure. Well, thank you for sharing. Let's lighten it up before we end this show it's a fun little game called do you know me real real simple uh i'll ask these uh very uh

well random questions does brie this has brie ever that okay don't answer okay right away all right the gang myself amanda and ally will all uh see if we know brie our audience likes to play along okay this will be good uh if you have an anecdotal story that goes with your yes or no answer okay um feel free to share awesome you don't have to no pressure we always love a good anecdotal story um question number one's a softball does brie consider herself to be an introvert does brie consider herself to be an introvert i feel like i uh i know the exact answer to this question but I'll what do you

the answer is no she slid into Matt's DMs I don't okay please I think Bree considers herself like an ambivert like a 50-50 split I'm gonna go with that but I also don't know what that exactly means I think Brie considers herself like an ambivert, like a 50-50 split. I'm going to go with that,

but I also don't know what that exactly means. I've never heard of that. I've never heard of it, but it sounds... I might have made it up. What was that, ambivert? Here's the answer. Here's the answer, is that Brie is a very social person. She can slide in DM.

First of all, I think... First of all, no, Chrissy. People who are introverted know how to slide into fucking DMs. You're behind a screen, Chrissy. Excuse me. That is my choice. Like intro...

I will say people talk about introverts as if they can't function in society. Oh, no, she can't be an introvert. She's slid into a DM. Like what? Okay, let's not make fun of Chrissy. Let's just be like, she just was like, you know, she was like going for it.

I like somebody who goes for it as generally an extrovert. Introverts go to parties. Anyway, so I would say she's very 50-50. She has both tendencies. I think when she does go to parties, she likes to go to parties, but she likes to have one-on-one meaningful conversations. She's not necessarily,

she doesn't walk in the room and say, I'm here. You know, she's not that person, right? But she likes to party when it is appropriate, but she has more introverted qualities than extroverted qualities on a day-to-day basis. You may answer. All right, I'm going to go with the ambivert. has more introverted qualities than extroverted qualities on a day-to-day basis? You may answer.

All right, I'm going to go with the ambivert. You guys, you were right. I've always considered myself to be an extrovert, and I think as I've gotten older, I... You realized you're more introverted than you want to be. I seriously... No, I'm still right. You're right. The answer's still there.

You're right. I'm always out. I'm a social butterfly. I think we're going to do an episode on introverts and extroverts because I think introverts have really gotten a bad rap. They really have. They have. I mean, here's how I can explain it.

You know, like what? I truly do get energy from just being alone with my thoughts for like a few days. I mean, this kind of happened like after after the show but you know i was constantly so go go go and then i realized like oh i'm drained like i'm not present with my friends because i just needed time to myself to just reflect on what had happened that past week or the week before or like this whole freaking experience and i just i need to i need to recluse to like get back to myself and then i'm ready to go like a one week later so give me let me be an introvert for a week and then that I like switch off and on like that next week I'll

be extrovert and then you know I feel like unless you're like hardcore introverted lots of people will all like I'll have an extrovert and then as they get older and more self-aware and more self-confident they recognize that they're more introverted than they've been telling themselves or people throughout most of their lives. That was one of my biggest learning experiences from the show was I had to admit to myself like you are an introvert and it's okay to admit that you don't want to be with people to just re-energize.

I feel you. Awesome. She's coming to Montana. She slid into a DM I'm just saying that means that she's ready to go for it always making fun I love you I was still right because the question

was is she an introvert? And I said, no. You're right. Sure. Just saying. Social butterfly over here. Question number two. Has Brie ever accidentally sent an inappropriate text or email to the wrong person?

We all have, I feel like. We all have, yes. Sure, yes. I mean, like she gave her work email to Bachelor nation so i feel like yeah she's just giving out her details she's just throwing it around what do you mean she gave her email to bachelor nation for the application like she gave her email address yeah yeah i mean but that's no that doesn't count but like you know like you've sent it you you're like, oh shit. Let me tell you. I'm notorious for always sending things to the wrong person.

You're notorious. Yeah. I'm the type of person who might be just mentioning someone and accidentally might send a voice memo to them. And I was probably talking about them and did not mean to send that voice memo to them. It's happened to me at least once a year. It should be so much harder to record voice memos because it's too easy and it's too easy to do it by accident in my opinion.

Yeah. No, there should be voice memos. It's like I'm talking about. You should have to put in your passcode to send a voice memo. Whenever it's like if I want to talk about how my night went with Nick. Before you post anything on social, you should have to put in a passcode. That's true. Yeah.

Pocket tweets. Anything. Because no, sometimes you realize your phone is open and you just start doing stuff on accident. It's like, it's not fair. Has Brie ever walked out on a movie? Yeah. I don't think Brie puts up with things that she doesn't have patience for. I don't think she has.

Have I ever walked out of a movie? Yeah, like in a movie theater. No. Like, eh, fuck it. Never. But there was one movie on Netflix that I got all the way up until there was 15 minutes left

and I turned it off. Was it Prom? No, but it was some, it was like some wedding movie that took place in Europe. Do you guys remember that? There was a lot of hype around it. It was a British movie, British comedy movie. Was it the wedding date? Yes. I love that movie, Brie. Oh, wait, the one with Deborah Messing and the red hair? Yes. Brie and I were bonding until this moment. Like she and I really bonded over after the final rose. We did make eye contact at that moment.

I had to let that one go. Has Brie ever broken something at a friend's or acquaintance's house and not told them? No. No. No. I think she would have had a good laugh about it. Honesty is the best policy. Yeah. If I break something, I'm like, I broke it.

It was me. I'm so sorry. Whatever I need to do, tell me to do it. I'm so clumsy. This is our only borderline inappropriate question but it's fine did Brie have music on

the last time she had sex oh was there a love making playlist there was not man i mean i would we'll go do you have a love making playlist do you have a go-to love making song i don't have a go-to love making playlist or song but i will say that i would probably prefer a playlist or a song it's just it's not happened oh i apologize there's one more in here amanda picked these out by the way amanda has brie ever role played with their partner sure ever why not it's fine ever how old

are you where are we gonna draw the where are we gonna draw the line at role play what what yeah how aggressive are we i think there's some really vanilla stuff passing for role play right now. Like what? Like I think if it's a light choking, it doesn't count as role play. No, I'm thinking like costumes. No, choking is choking. No, like costumes. Wait, isn't role play like costumes?

Like I'm a police officer, you're a nurse. Well, you don't have to wear costumes in role play. A man is like choking is so mainstream. Choking is mainstream. Bree's like going to Party City, like the costume department, trying to figure it out. It's clearly open for interpretation,

but choking is choking. Light choke. I mean metaphorically the light choke. I feel like that whole genre. Well, if... That whole genre. No, that's more of a... Do you like...

Dead. That would be more like a... Do you like a little spanking kind of aggressiveness? That's more of a, do you like... I'm dead. That would be more like a, you know, do you like a little spanking kind of aggressiveness? Like, that's more... Well, if we're just going to be crude, that's when you're like... French maid.

That's when you're fucking and not making love kind of thing, right? Yeah. You know, I don't know. But role-playing is more like... French maid. I just mean like proper role-playing, not just like calling someone a slut in bed or something like that. That's not role play either.

That's not role playing. That's what I mean. Yeah, it would be more like if you're like, you don't have to work. Maybe it's someone's a college professor or someone's a nurse and you're just kind of leaning into that storyline. Got it. Right? Got it. Yeah, that's what my assumption is.

But I don't think you need full on costumes. You don't have to be like, all right, who's the doctor nowored in theater like what do you think i do i don't think wigs need to be involved to role play i yeah let's just say not my thing let's just be ourselves you've never gone into character never gone into character i would i don't think that's something I'm interested in. I'm still laughing at choking is too big. I love it. I love it. Amanda's like offended. People have been going around this earth saying that they love role-playing

and all they do is choke each other. And call each other sluts, which is not role-playing. I just think there's a very... Amanda's like fucking amateurs. Talking dirty and role playing well don't worry amanda brie is not going around thank you brie thank you uh last question let's see here has brie ever been wasted on an airplane on an airplane airplane

no i i i want to say i i don't think brie's ever blacked out yeah apparently apparently i'm wrong her friend her friend in the background was how nina wants to come in here and and share her tooth her two thoughts well have you ever blacked out on a plane actually it was funny as i the first plane that i probably um blacked out on was on my plane with with nina um we were flying back first plane well not my first plane but on my plane with nina we were flying back first place well not my first plane but on my plane with nina we were flying back from um spain so i met my friend whenever we were studying abroad in spain together and it was just like this really emotional time because we had spent a whole year there and we were all flying back together on the plane as a huge class together and it was we just you know we needed to

we need to just embrace each other. And yeah, I would probably say that was the first time that I got wasted on a plane. How much was that bill? Those little bottles are expensive. Oh, I think we like might've snuck some. So that makes more sense. Okay, great. You know, we're supposed to do that.

Yep. So what's next for you as we let you go and end this conversation? Well, thank you for having me. It's been a pleasure, yeah. It's been great. I'm so excited. This was a great first podcast. What's next is I am currently polishing up my resume.

I have sent my resume out to ABC's PR team in case they're interested. Flex, yeah. What's up, ABC? What were you doing before? I'm in comms. I'm in PR. Oh, you're in PR?

Girl. I'm in PR for a PR professional. So I'm open to opportunities after this. I'm open to opportunities after this I'm just I'm exploring different opportunities I feel like we can get you your resume out to the appropriate people I mean we'll pass nobody here has connections

no wonder we'll pass it around I really I have enjoyed my time after the show like not having had a job this is the first time I've not had a job since I was 16 years old. Summer of Brie coming up maybe.

Yeah. Are we, yeah. So. Maybe just enjoy it and get a job in September. That's, I'm really, I'm enjoying life and I'm ready to see where it takes me, so. What's your dream job? I'm thinking about it,

but it's probably, um, hosting my own podcast. So watch out. Cause you've got some competition. I don't, I don't doubt it. In that case, we have no resources available for you.

Oh, well that was real quick. I like healthy job off the table i just i'm totally kidding i like health competition brie you are welcome back anytime for our ethnic episodes do you think you're good at giving relationship advice oh my god people come to me for the relationship advice i mean i i don't extend this offer very often to Bachelor Nation peers. Some, some. Okay.

Rachel's been on a few. My friend Charlene. Who else in Bachelor Nation has been a part of the ass? Not that many at all. Not that many. Bachelor Nation's not going to get a good relationship. This is like a Justin Long invite. Yeah.

Big deal. But you are welcome back anytime. Thank you. I might take you up on it. We really appreciate you taking the time. Thank you for being so honest and vulnerable. I know the season. Well,

I'm sure it will be a lifelong experience. Wasn't always easy. Yeah. And thank you for, for sharing that experience with us. Please let the know, please let the people know where they can find you, where they can follow you,

where they could uh tell their pr boss to be like oh my god we have to hire brie uh let them know all right so yeah i mean it's been very overwhelming after the show again a lot of wonderful surprises um you can find me at brie springs on on instagram and you know maybe i'll be on the the TikToks and the Twitters of the world. But for now, just reach me on Instagram at Brie Springs or springsbrie at gmail.com. You never know. Maybe she'll slide in your DM next.

We'll see. Say hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. I mean, if you find your relationship advice for me, like... Don't do that. Okay.

Well, what should I do? Because I'm bad at it. What? Sliding in the DMs? I mean, just how would you slide into the DMs? It's real simple. Okay. We're listening.

Everyone, it doesn't matter if you're a guy or a girl. And I've said this before. You just make a random observation. You find your favorite pic. Okay. Of theirs. Is this like some like hinge type okay okay okay i'm listening maybe it's on hinge and you you don't pick a thirst trap okay you pick like wholesome like wholesome photo guy with like baby nephew sure personality pick

personality pick or whatever you send it to him and then you write like you make an observation about like the quilt in the background you just start a conversation so not me you can just because here's the thing we all know why you're sliding uh-huh you you think the person's cute you think they're attracted you don't need to say that to them okay uh-huh you just need to start a conversation so you ask a question you're like where'd you get that quilt dying to know like do you have it in blue like or i have the same one or like do you have a promo code for that like i don't know it literally doesn't matter i'm just kind of i'm just thinking through like if there have been any dms that have come to me recently that have stood out. And I'm just, the only reason I'm going to like quarrel with you

is because I just don't think I've responded to that. You would if you liked us. If Matt, at the time you sent that message, said that, you would have been like, oh my God, it's like, I don't know. Do you want to go to Target and pick one out together? You wouldn't like, yes, you're not going to. It's not the message that makes you go, oh my God, this is the funniest person in the world you're just like oh this person's handsome

yeah and sure i'll just like and so if you slide into a guy's dm and he thinks you're attractive and he wants to know more he will respond and now you are talking about something okay because otherwise you say hey it's just like hey back hey do you think choking is too mainstream yeah that's it that's a question like it's a strong opener and that is that will be my next dm um you can't go wrong you can't go wrong it'll definitely catch the eye it takes me a month to choke. My name's Brie. I mean, literally, just ask whatever question. You pick something. Just not that one.

And you don't say they're hot or, you know. Just a wholesome spark conversation. They know you think they're hot. Yeah. I think I could do that. I'm going to try. I feel like. I'm going to try it. I'm going to let you know how it goes. Have you a guy slide into your dm that you responded to uh no but you've had a guy

sliding into your dm yeah yeah that's why i'm trying to think like which one has stood out to me but there's not been one not one guy wow tough world out there hey like i appreciate them obviously i appreciate well clearly they're not asking if her background furniture is cd2 Wow. Tough world out there. I appreciate them, obviously. I appreciate it. Well, clearly they're not asking if her background furniture is CB2. They're nice. Now they know. Nice quilt back there. Hey.

Hey. I like that vase. Is it from Ikea? I bet you would laugh. I would. I would. I have one more question. Thoughts on Michelle and Katie. Sorry. Whatever. have one more question. Thoughts on Michelle and Katie. Sorry, whatever.

I need to ask. Thoughts on Michelle and Katie as the bachelorettes. Good question. I think Katie was really, really cut out for this. Like she thrives in this type of environment in a way that not a lot of people can. I think she's a great girl, so I'm excited for her. And honestly, I'm just, I'm excited for my girl, Michelle. Like, I think this is gonna be

a really big opportunity for her. And I'm happy that they did cast another black woman, woman of color, so I'm, anything I can do to support them, I'm gonna do. Awesome. Well, thanks for answering that. I had to get it, I'm going to do. Awesome. Well, thanks for answering that. I had to get it in. I wouldn't be doing my job if I didn't ask.

We really appreciate it, Brie. Thank you for taking the time. Best of luck with everything. And we hope you reconsider going on Paradise. But if not, we totally get it. You're probably better off. But I'm sure great things are in store for you. Thank you.

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