The Viall Files - E258 Life Is A Filter with Jennie Garth & Tori Spelling

Episode Date: April 14, 2021

Today on The Viall Files we are joined by town iconic television personalities, Jennie Garth and Tori Spelling. Their new podcast 9021OMG gives fans a behind-the-scenes look at what was going on during the filming of 90210 as they watch it back for the first time together. Today we go outside of that box and discuss what it was like being women in the 90’s in Hollywood, how were they treated, what was expected of them, how it impacted the women they have become, and the strong women they are raising. Jennie and Tori discuss vulnerability, social media and how authenticity is what matters at the end of the day.  “We weren’t aloud to have a voice, we just had to be perfect.” Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes.  THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Best Fiends: Download Best Fiends FREE today on the Apple App Store or Google Play.  StoryWorth: http://www.storyworth.com/VIALL to get $10 off your first purchase.  Helix Sleep: http://www.helixsleep.com/VIALL for up to $200 off and 2 free pillows.   Public Goods: http://www.publicgoods.com/VIALL or use code VIALL at checkout to receive $15 off your first order.  Episode Socials:  @viallfiles @nickviall @jenniegarth @torispelling @9021omgpodcast See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We have a fantastic episode for you all. If you are fans of 90210, of which many of us are, including everyone in this room, you will be excited to listen to Jenny Garth and Tori Spelling. Legends. Legends. We have a great conversation with them about being on the show, what it was like to do

that in their teenage years uh the impact on their lives social media all that fun stuff we appreciate them uh taking the time to to talk with me uh i was fanboying the whole time but trying to play cool felt like i did a good job we got some great merch out there uh i'm wearing a t-shirt tie-dye out there i feel like the i'm sorry i'm right we've got tie-dye tie-dye oh my god that's so cool give yourself a tie-dye hoodie it says sorry i'm right i mean i want a tie-dye hoodie i love that you just wear that in in front of your husband or your man and just be like we also have he's toxic so get your your your significant other uh he's toxic hoodie while getting yourself the sorry i'm right go out in public have some fun and sorry sorry uh show them

what you lost yeah don't forget that one that's a good one too so uh be sure to check that out vilefiles.com and uh get your merch and we also have uh hoodies sweatshirts t-shirts breakup books all that fun stuff support your show support your podcast next week uh we have a fun and i think highly anticipated episode so many of you have been asking us to do an episode on being an introvert and an extrovert we have susan kane the author of quiet who uh one of the kind of it's the book out there about introverts and extroverts and can't wait to have that conversation with her we actually talk a little bit about that with that with jenny and tori so

be sure to check that out and if nothing else let's just get right to the episode thank you guys for for coming who how how much money do we have to pay them to come on? I'm just kidding. I'm just curious. Zero. Not a lot. I'm a big, big fans of you ladies. I go so far back to, well, first of all, I was mad because my parents didn't let me watch 90210 back in the day.

And I had big crushes on both of you guys i i remember i was listening to you guys's podcast uh talking about the show and it it uh it had such a role on on my life when it came to fashion how i wore my hair sideburns you guys were talking about sideburns oh my god like i i i couldn't wait till I could grow facial hair so I could grow sideburns just, just like Dylan. But like, do you guys feel like you are responsible for like fashion trends growing up or being on the show? And, and like, what was that experience like? Because I've always wanted to be that cool. Dory definitely will take credit for a lot of things in that realm. Personally, I'm like, I don't, I'm not responsible for anything. I don't want to be responsible for any of it. We didn't know that we were responsible until it all came back. And then literally walking through target and seeing like, Oh,

I wore that Donna wore that Kelly wore that. It was like, Oh my God all back we're trendsetters I think you know you're a trendsetter when it comes back in or just you know you're old when it comes back I think yeah I think chokers we really did create though because we used to craft a lot in our dressing rooms and we used to go to Michael's and get like charms and stuff and have ribbon and create them so I think we should take credit for that. At least that. Okay. We'll take, we'll take the choker credit.

You don't like 90210 was so big, right? I mean, you guys pop stars. Like, I mean, it was everyone, everyone knew who you are.

Did you not feel that type of fandom when it was filming or when did, when did you two realize just how big of a deal you two were a serious question is that when they let us out of the stage when they unlocked the stage doors and let you out after 10 years yeah well because we were we were like kept in captivity for 10 years filming the show so we weren't really you know privy to what was going on on in the outside world but no seriously when the show i think the second season when the show started to really take off for the summer episodes was when i think the whole everybody involved with

the show was like whoa okay this is this is taking a hold. People are liking this. How big of a surprise was that? I don't think we knew what to expect. It was a first for all of us. Yeah, it got crazy. And I think a lot of the times we were like, oh, it's just the boys. We weren't sure it was us that they were excited about, but it was the whole thing.

It was the whole kit and caboodle. We're able to look back and appreciate it now. But at the time, I think until the show ended, we didn't take a moment. We didn't even breathe. Like we worked like 15, 16 hour days and thank God we were young. Like, and when it was over,

we were able to step back and be like, oh my gosh, that was a huge part of history that we just created. Yeah. I mean, honestly, it wasn't until recently that Tori and I, since we started 90210MG, um, the podcast, we have not watched the show back. Um, we've never sat down and watched from beginning to end all 278 whatever episodes there were so we've started with episode one on season one and just like watching it now as fans and learning like looking at it with a different perspective has been crazy like eye-opening it's insane we're actually like big fans of the show like Like we're fans of each week. Yeah, yeah, totally.

We love it. What's happening next week? The show is so good. It's so good. Like who are these amazing actors? I know. Their skin is flawless. That's great. We do. We take a lot of time to appreciate the flawless skin and the beautiful bodies we had.

We take a lot of time with that. So yeah. Obviously, it was a show based in high school. And you guys talked about, you know, a lot of the things that go on in high school. But, you know, back in, you know, the 90s, talking about things like sex, and, you know, some of them, you know, quote, unquote, more taboo things, like, for example, like reasons why I mean, I wasn't allowed to watch shit when I was a kid, but like those were kind of the things that like parents, you know, it was still taboo, right? And, you know, we're a very sex positive show

on this podcast. And I think more and more we're normalizing some of these like conversations young kids should be having. What was that like back in the day when the show was discussing some of those things that weren't so openly talked about in society like sex in high school and things like that and did you guys feel

like a pressure or do you look back and think well I'm glad we did that and feel a sense of pride behind that I think at the time we didn't realize again we were just going so fast and furious um and we were you know high school girls ourselves. So there were probably a lot of giggles in between takes, like, oh, this is stuff we don't discuss. But I don't think we really realized till now that we're parents, like, these are great topics that, you know, teens should be discussing and confiding in their parents and watching together. I think that we've all both, I know personally, I've always had a very strong sense of pride about what the show did

and all the subject matters that we covered and all the people that we probably helped to just even open up the conversations about sensitive things with. So for me, I've always been really proud of that about 90210, about the messages that we put out there. It's just like one of those things, like I said, and sometimes to be the first to do those things, and you guys, it's not fully appreciated until later on.

We feel like we did do that first, and it was really topical and really important, and I feel like 90210 kind of was included in the team. Like my dad did all of the shows, they called it jiggle TV. And so it was kind of just the teen version of that. And it's like, but it didn't, it wasn't, it dealt with really important topics and it was never really acknowledged for that.

How did being so popular back in the day, like effect in terms of like how how you two you know went out and dated and your love lives early on and was it a challenge you know versus i guess one one thing i was curious about too is did you guys watch the the britney spears doc recently right and a big part of that conversation, whether you watched it or not, was how, you know, women, young women were treated in the early, late nineties and early 2000s. Some of the questions that were asked and the pressures versus, you know, male stars, right? Did you, did you two ever notice that? Or did you ever have like interviews back of that? You reflect back

and be like, why was I asked that that or why was I treated that way versus you know some of my you know male co-stars absolutely I mean I can remember just random interviews with people that I I realized like um Chevy Chase had a talk show once and he was like my comedy hero, you know, catty. I mean, so I remember doing that. I just remember feeling uncomfortable.

Like I can, I don't remember specifically what it was, but there were so many things like that, that just would be so different now because we were so young and we, it wasn't, wasn't no spotlight was put on like, you know, the differences between how people deal with women and men. And now it's, we're so aware of it. And it's so amazing to see everybody waking up and having like this awareness about it.

How old were you two when you were like at the height of the show, when you first started filming? We started young. I started when I was 18. And you started when you were 17, the height of the show when you first started filming we started young we started i started when i was 18 and you started when you're 17 right you're younger no really you're she likes to point out that she's younger than me by a year but you were younger when i think we were like 16 17 yeah yeah okay my license 17 maybe yeah yeah because i was driving too so 17 and 16 yeah so and like you were getting questions like who are you dating and things like that and your personal like oh yeah plus like we still get that shit like um the the worst questions are like how do you juggle it all being a mom and and having a career and being a businesswoman. Do you ask men that question?

How do they juggle it all? No, because they can't do it all. Sorry. That's okay. It's a fair statement, Tori. I'm aware. That's why I haven't had kids. Can't do it.

Nope. I'm just kidding. So it's still happening. It's still happening out there. What about you, Tori? Any memories from back in the day or specific interviews where you look back and be like, what the fuck? I mean, definitely. I definitely put a lot of worth and weight on my appearance, bad or good. And behind the scenes, it was hard. It was really stressful.

You felt like you were in competition, like you had to be the sexiest um I mean probably the reason I wore people joke about it now like you know the midriff tops was because I was like okay you know I have to like look great and I want to show as much body as I can um and definitely like I would I remember doing the tonight show and doing it with Jay Leno and and I I want it to look cute and sexy. And we did like a love game, like love match, like a dating game. And I was like, okay, that sounds great. And now, you know, we're raising strong women. And I feel like my voice would be really different now than it was then. Cause that was all I knew how to play into was like, be sexy, be, you know, a girl. Be what they want. Yeah.

Are those things that you, you know, you're both mothers. Like, what are some of the things that you are instilling in your kids now based off the things that you two have experienced in the past? I just recently watched Dirty Dancing with my 14-year-old. And I think that the message of that movie is nobody puts baby in a corner. And so I teach my kids, don't let anybody put baby in a corner. And so I teach my kids, don't any, don't let anybody put you in a corner. And, and I think that that resonates with them on a whole nother level now. Definitely. They're already ahead of the game, like their generation is so different. They're so much more confident. And that, you know, by our means, like that, that's fine. If

we had to go through that so that we could teach them how to not be that and that they can do anything then so be it because that's our jobs as mothers you know you want better for your kids than what you had or knew do you guys do you two think about um what it would have been like um to have social media be what it is today, when you two were, you know, 17, 18, filming the show. Are you glad social media didn't exist what it is today? Or do you wonder, or do you wish you had it? Or do you wish that was another platform? I wish we still didn't have it. So, I mean, but geez, things would have been so different.

We had like, we didn't have cell phones when we started our show. There was no internet. We were so different. We didn't have cell phones when we started our show. There was no internet. We were so screwed. So screwed. When I say there was no internet, it literally makes me sound like a 100-year-old woman. It was like still this time of the beeper. Exactly.

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Yeah. Any stories? That and also just being teenagers, like suddenly having the power to just post something and people will go crazy over it. Like now, you know, we curate it. We have learned we're wiser now, but a teenager with like the freedom to post and getting millions of people looking at it, that would have been scary. I think. I'm assuming your kids are on it. Not really. No? Mine are. Mine are. Mine are older than hers, but I have 14, 18, and 23, and they're all on it now.

Do you have any specific rules for them? No. I'm a terrible mother. She has such good girls, though. That makes sense. Yeah. I try to just trust. I know that I've done a good job with them and I trust them now and

I'm just here to kind of clean up the mess if something bad happens yeah I mean the social media creates a lot of anxiety for everyone you know especially like the pressure to look good feel good I mean we have too much access to too much information I I couldn't imagine. I'm with you too. I couldn't imagine what it'd be like to be 17, 18, and 19 and have social media and the access to everyone's opinions about myself. Yeah. I mean, you're right. There's so much pressure on kids these days with all of that. And I definitely see it reflected in all of my girls and I just do everything in my power to combat it and like show them a different perspective because they're seeing that all the time all the time on their feeds and it's it's a lot but just think the silver lining though would have been we wouldn't have uh had to use facetune then though. Right. Because we were young.

So that would have been great. Do you use it now? Hell yeah. Shane doesn't. I do. We all use it. Everybody uses filters of some kind. Filters, yeah.

To make it look prettier. You know, everybody wants to look better. You both look wonderful. Life is a filter filter but it's interesting though because like when you guys were filming the show you know social media didn't exist but because of you two being you know on 90210 being the big stars that you were it's weird because now like everyone with social media has this like small little taste of people's opinions and things like that and and you two had to deal with that, right? Like you two had to, you know, I'm sure you were in, you know, all the tabloids and, and, and I'm sure

at times that can be exciting to get the attention, but again, all of a sudden you get the criticism and like, how much did that affect, uh, you and young adulthood in terms of, you know, we weren't even talking about things, things that didn't exist back in the early nineties, or at least what we didn't talk about. We didn't talk about anxiety. We didn't talk about mental health. We didn't talk about depression. What was that like? And cause everyone deals with that, right? Everyone nowadays we're more open about it and with social media, but like having access to other thoughts, you know, creates that for ourself. Did you feel like anxiety and depression and mental health struggles because of the inevitable like criticism that came from being a public

figure? And how did that, you know, play a role on your young adult life? And how does that play a role as parents? I mean, first of all, what you said about there being an awareness about it now, which is so great. It's so, it's like the best thing ever that people are talking because you're right. We didn't talk about any of our troubles, any of our challenges. We all just try to like cover it up and be, you know, be okay all the time for everybody else. And now, I mean, if you don't go to therapy, you're kind of weird. So I feel like it's so wonderful. But to your question, yeah, I can remember a time in the early years of it all. I developed like agoraphobia.

I wouldn't even leave my house. And I know, you know, we've all had our challenges with things like that. Tori and I have like PTSD about the sounds of a camera shutter, like, you know, the sounds. We both, we found out that we both have the same trigger for that PTSD. And it's the sounds of like a camera. So we always think like when we're walking around that we hear the shutter going off in the bushes. We found this out because people told us we were crazy our whole lives.

Like, you know, if you're with friends and you're at lunch and you hear like, you're like, do you hear that? Do you see that? Because they hide. Yeah. Do you see somebody hear it? Yeah. And I remember friends would be like, what are you talking about?

Not everyone wants to take a picture of you. I'd be so embarrassed. I'd be like, no, I didn't mean that. I really hear it. And then sure enough, the next week, the picture would come out. Yeah, they'd jump out of the bushes. I totally, yeah. We got so shamed for that realization, though.

Yeah. Yeah, for our fear of camera sounds. It's real. for that realization though. Yeah. Yeah. For our fear of camera sounds. It's real. Oh, totally. And I can only imagine again, like we have that now, right? With cameras, but you know, the, the fascination with people never, it's not like that didn't exist, but like, you know, now with social media, it's, it's abundant. We have all these different people to follow and, and, and, you know, like TikTok stars and YouTube stars and movie stars and TV stars and musicians.

And when you guys were doing 90210, I couldn't imagine that pressure. I couldn't imagine, you know, like, again, bringing a call back to that Britney Spears doc. And that was during a time when you two, you know, were experiencing that. And just the, you know, talk about PTSD. Like, you know, I have it just the you know talk about ptsd like i you know i have it from my time on the bachelor and that was just a fraction of just a microcosm of what you two women had to deal with back then and the intention the criticism and and with the pressures and then if and then like you you said you know jen if you if you broke you know if you showed any kind of vulnerability or or stress because of that then all of a sudden it's like, oh, something's wrong with them or look, look.

And then people like to talk about that. And I truly couldn't imagine what it was like to be in that time period and be a star. It was pretty isolating. was pretty isolating. I mean, something Toy said, like we, because there was no platforms and because we were working all the time, we were kind of sheltered from a lot of it in a way during the work week, you know, because we worked, you know, 16, 18 hour days every day. So we weren't like out there experiencing it. And none of us had our phones in our hands, like learning about it moment to moment. But I think that it's definitely something we suffered. I know I personally suffered in silence a lot and just sucked it up and dealt with it on my own. I had, you know, like one or two friends that I could

confide in that would help me through stuff, but it was definitely a different time. Yeah. What was that? We both watched the Taylor Swift documentary and she said something really important and eyeopening to anyone that's experienced it, that celebrities are stunted from the age they become famous. I'm not saying the exact words, but Jen and I both were like, oh yeah, emotionally stunted. You do it.

Something does change. Yeah. But you can't express that to people because anyone else, if you said it at the time, would be like, oh, boo hoo, you know, for you, your brain. Like, so you would just keep it inside, but you would feel like I am different, but I can't talk about it. And I'm going through stuff, but I'm supposed to smile all the time when I go out. And you weren't allowed to have a voice. it and I'm going through stuff, but I'm supposed to smile all the time when I go out and you

weren't allowed to have a voice. You know, you had to just be perfect because we didn't have the platforms. So you couldn't tell people, you know, here's how I'm feeling or here's the real me. All they saw was what they saw on TV and then what the tablets put out. There was no in between. You couldn't control any of your narrative. At all. Again, like a fraction of it, like the reality TV of it all

and then having the social media creates that anxiety, but the helplessness that you two are describing, it's a bummer. Also, was it a challenge too when you were, like Jenny, you mentioned it too, and Tori, obviously you guys were in high school and you were young and you had your friends and then you went on tv and you guys became friends with each other was it challenging

for you two to maintain the friendships that you had before being on the show because of like you know like and i got it too when i went on the bat you know the aunts and uncles be like i mean what do you think you're a big deal now i'm like no like what are you talking about like you know that kind of stuff is good though because that keeps you grounded and that's for sure like you know where you come from i think that there's a certain aspect of that that's really important but you know you're asking about like did yeah friends kind of fell off that couldn't really relate and that we couldn't feel like we could relate to any longer and not because we were better than them or our life was better than theirs it was just we were in different places in our lives and experiencing different things and that's why I

think that we all the cast bonded so much at that young sort of formative age because we were all in this situation together and we could all really relate on that level and nobody else kind of outside that bubble could understand it like we did. 100%, still to this day. I mean, when we all get together, we talk about experiences that no one can really relate to.

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therapeutic aspect of it just to be able to get it out and not have people roll their eyes or snark or judge or whatever and then we can make fun of know, and it's a safe space where we can feel like we could tease each other and, and reminisce without judgment or criticizing where people, you know, look, you know, or without us looking over our shoulders and, and kind of, you know, again, with you, you two, I, you know, it's so much bigger and so much more popular. I think it's so important that you find those people in your life and you find that support in whatever your situation is,

that you find the people, the inner circle of people that you can really trust and relate to and you know that they're always going to be there for you. That's why, I mean, Tori and I have such a long-lasting and such a fruitful relationship because we do come from similar, you know, we we've had similar things happen to us and we really know that we can trust each other no matter what. It's crazy that we're still finding out things that happened back then. And we're still learning, like as we're getting older, we're still like, Oh, remember that? That's

why we felt this way or that. And it's always evolving. But sorry. I think we are the closest out of everyone. Do you have any of those? Are you able to share any of those stories that you remember or reminisce or Tari mentioned like things you guys just remember that happened? No, like we were talking about the PTSD from like the shutters and talking, you know, we've

talked recently in the last few years about what it was like to be a female back then and how, you know, everything on the outside was your self-worth because you didn't know that it was okay to be smart. It was okay to be, you know, you didn't get it. So we didn't even know who we were. we didn't for so so long I think now as Tori and I are in our 40s we're like oh that's who I that's what I want oh okay

it's kind of sad to think you know like you said like Tori you mentioned like the pressure to hyper sexualize and lead with that and feeling like you couldn't talk about some of the other stuff that you were interested in? I mean, we didn't know on set. The boys were our world. It was the girls, the boys, that was all we had. So when guest stars would come on

and our boys would be talking to the guest stars, the females, we were always super nice, but we had that feeling like, wait, why are they talking to them? Like, look at us. We look great. Like it was because we didn't know. Remember when they remember when I don't say names, but remember, I would just, just came to my memory of when they would, you said before you wore midriff shirts to like, because you were new, like I am a slam and body. So I'm going to show it off because I know that works and that's what people want. But remember when the guys would be like, take their hands and put them around your waist and try to like touch their fingers together around your waist. It was like a party trick.

And I was so proud of it. Yeah. And then when your body, as you get older and you have kids changes, you're like, wait, but I was famous for or they put their hands around my waist now i'm like what that doesn't matter i would never happen now the fact that that happened or that that was something that everybody like gathered around for and watched happening it's just mind-blowing to me and we were like ha ha ha so cute and funny look at it you're even saying at the time that like you didn't even think

anything was wrong with that no there's so many things we didn't think there was anything wrong with oh and these are just random people on set just like grabbing random people random castmates okay i was like jesus because we were like is fun. Like, this is the party trick. Look. Oh, man. So, I mean, and now, you know, obviously things are changing. Are some of the things that you, again, learned about that, like are you guys instilling that into your children today

in terms of like setting boundaries and, and, you know, things that like trusting your gut and saying no to things that don't make you comfortable. My kids are so aware now, like they're so sensitive to any like body shaming or toxic, male toxic energy. They're so on another level that, you know, my husband and I joke, we're like, he can't say anything where they don't call him out and say, Ooh,

you have toxic male masculinity or whatever. And we just laugh about it now because we're like, yeah, well, but it's interesting to see how that you, they almost don't need us to tell them how amazing they are or i mean they do and of course we do but like they're they're so much more like on the ball than we were i feel like jenny you've been very open in the past obviously someone who's been married and divorced

before and we you know have a big audience of women who and people call in and whether it's getting divorced or an engagement broken off we definitely try to normalize on this show um how hard it is to find the one right you're one person and and even if you do how challenging that can be and if it if you get it wrong the first time, that's okay. And you've been an inspiration, I think, to a lot of people for finding love and continue to look for love and being open about it. She found the one. I'm right here. Yeah. That's my wife right there. But was that a struggle for you? Did you feel the pressure when things didn't work out

like a lot of people do? And how did you go about not getting too done yourself and continuing to look for what you know you deserved? Oh my God, that's a whole nother podcast, Nick. There's so much there. There's so many layers there. But I mean, Tori can relate too. She got married very young as I did. And we both decided that wasn't the right move for us and got divorced, married someone else. I mean, everybody's journey. I think that's so cool about the listeners. Probably most of your listeners is that we're all that same sort of mind and that same sort of age where that you've, you've made your mistakes. You've had a lot of ups and downs in your life.

And now as a grown adult, I think the best part about growing up is the ability to share those triumphs because none of them were actual fails. They were all triumphs, even if they didn't work out at that time. I think that that's the best part about just aging. And then the best part also about being able to use platforms like this and have a microphone in front of you and like

being able to share your story. So there's just so much, so much to take away from all life experiences. And I've definitely had a lot of stories out a lot too. What she said. They sound like Richard Marks. Richard Marks kind of said the exact same thing. Yeah. Love it. And Tori, you obviously had your, the reality TV show,

or you and your husband so kind of open about the relationship. And is that something that you liked being, you know, like you're obviously a very authentic person and just kind of putting it out there. Was that a challenge to be that? Or did you have to make that choice? And looking back, I'm assuming there's a lot of people who are appreciative of kind of what you shared because kind of like what you two had mentioned, like, you know, back in the day in the early 90s, there was that pressure to be perfect and there's less

of that now. I mean, you still have it now it now right but anytime we see people that we admire or look up to that we're fans of and we see that vulnerability it can be very inspirational to a lot of people because we all have crap we're like we all have like everyone has a family and whether your family is still together or not like everyone's got bullshit in their family. Everyone's got, you know, rivalries and frustrations and there is no perfect family and there's no perfect marriage or relationship. And I'm assuming you've had a lot of people appreciative of your authenticity, Tori,

especially even on the Rally TV show your husband shared with the world. Definitely. I mean, at the time, I felt like it was the right thing to do just because I wanted to control the narrative. I think in Hollywood, we're kind of conditioned, especially since we started so young, to not say anything. Your teams will tell you, say nothing, it'll go away. And that typically is the case. With that one particular instance,

I felt the need because I knew there were so many other women that probably could relate to what I was going through that could, hopefully it could help and it did. So I am happy that I took back the narrative and kind of told my own story. I have a lot of respect for Tori because she is an incredibly authentic human being and people, a lot of people don't know that about her and they just assume and, you know, see what they see and make their assumptions and, and their observations, but she's so incredibly authentic. So I think that she's used those platforms as a way to, it's almost been like therapy for her and getting her to where she needs to be in her life

just by talking about it with other people. And her fans love that about her and they love to feel like they can relate to her even though their circumstances are so different. Thank you. It really helped give me a voice knowing that I was supported by women everywhere that had gone through the same thing.

That is, I guess, the nice thing about social media these days in terms of controlling your narrative and being able to be vulnerable. We talk about even in your own relationships, even with your partners, the more honest you can be about the shit that bothers you that you're insecure about and have that person be like, i totally get it and not judgment is like that's when you feel

closer or most accepted and you even even fans and people on the street just to feel a little bit damaged and and have people be like yeah me too you know right i know it's that it's being vulnerable i think in life but especially in a relationship with a partner. It's about being vulnerable and communicating that vulnerability and being okay with it and not being ashamed of it and just being curious about why am I feeling this way and why do you get defensive when I feel this way? And I think that's just about just being real with each other and then the world, you know,

how close are you guys with the, the rest of the cast? I know you guys had the reboot and that was a lot of fun to watch. And it was, is that something that kind of you, you all shared more stories or is it you two kind of just hanging out most of the time? Or is the,

does the group get together on a somewhat regular basis? We it's kind of been off and on. Yeah. Like over the years? Not for any reason, just life circumstances. Busy. When we were doing the show, we were together all the time. Then we all went off and did other things. While we all maintain friendships, it's not always easy, just like real life, to catch up with friends that are off doing different things. So the show was literally,

I mean, it brought us, we were in summer camp, we would call it. We were all in Vancouver doing the show together, away from our families. It was the coolest experience. We had a great time. Tori and I actually roomed together. We learned finally what it was actually like

to really live together, not just on TV. And that was really eye-opening and fun. You still love me though. Oh yes. I love you more. Being roommates is not the same as being friends. No, that's no joke. No, no, no joke. Being a roommate is like being married. Yeah. You can be great roommates and not even friends and you can be best friends and terrible roommates.

It's so true. great roommates and not good and not even friends and you can be best friends and terrible roommates yeah we were definitely not compatible but somehow we made it work not compatible not the best couple but you know what was the most annoying thing about one another just to indulge the audience because none of us are perfect i mean i leave cabinets open and my girlfriend fucking hates that about me oh that's annoying yeah that's not okay i'm super messy and unorganized and she's super clean and super organized harder harder for jenny i i'm more like you tori no i mean i say that tori because because I'm more you. And it's just like the burden we put on. It was a win because I would come home and she was like, I unpacked all your suitcases.

And yeah, win for me. Unpacked all your suitcases. I was like, why do you have to do that? She's like, I couldn't look at it anymore. Well, it looked like eight suitcases exploded all over our tiny little two-bedroom apartment everywhere. And I was like this is the common area this is not your area to destroy i mean it's very true jenny though

it's the the key to being good roommates is the common area it is go do go do you over there behind that door i don't want to know about it i tried to shove it all in my room you did i didn't have the master suite it didn't fit but i also i appreciate tori because like when i try on like a shirt and i decide oh i want to wear a different shirt i just take it off and i'm not really sure where it lands or what happens to it it just kind of goes somewhere and then i go on and then four shirts later it's like a tornado hit. And I'll worry about it later. I don't know if you can relate to this, Tori, but I know it's fucked up and I know it's annoying,

but I don't know how to do anything about it. When I do, I know how you do something about it. You turn around, you bend over, and you pick that shit up. It would be like... It's not in my brain capacity it's how my brain doesn't work that way like that's such a cop-out no no no it's not no it's not it would be like having to do a long division for every shirt i try on it would it's it hurts my head and i'm good at math but i just i don't know i listen you guys can justify it all you want go ahead no it's not okay i'm with jenny clean it up clean it up you

know you know what tori no tori look into human design tori we had a human design expert on our podcast and she told me she told me that the reason i don't do that is because i am too busy focusing my energy on things that i think matter more that's true and and and so i might leave my shirt on the ground in a cabinet open but i'm i'm working on world peace and i feel like toi is probably also doing something as noble. And that's why she can't do that. She's pretty busy. Maybe not as noble, but there's a lot going on.

There's a lot going on. Are you an overthinker, Tori? I'm a big, like I multitask without writing things down. So it's like all in my head constantly. So I'm like, what's next? What's next? So the shirt, yeah. And then it's like, in my head constantly. So I'm like, what's next, what's next. So the shirt. Yeah.

And then it's like, okay, we got to do this, this, this. I mean, in all fairness, Jenny and I were co-creators of the show,

executive producers. We had a lot going on. On our place. Yeah. We were, we were doing a little bit of everything, but yeah, she managed to get it done still.

But that's just, we're just different. Like we're wired differently. That's how I deal with my stress. And like, that's how I process stuff is by keeping things tidy around me because if things aren't tidy around me, I can't think well, I can't perform well, I can't be my best. So I've learned what works for me. You have a different approach. Yes. If things are not chaos around me, I cannot think and perform and create my best. I love it. See?

And that's why we work. We're yin and yang. I'm team Tori, but I appreciate team Jenny so much. My favorite would be like literally the longest week we had been filming. It was like back to 90210 days. We were like the same hours, but in our 40s. Yeah.

Too old for that shit. So like filming to like four in the morning. So we would get home and then as an actor, you've been working all day. You're like, you can't go to bed. Your mind's still going. So we'd have wine and we put on a movie. I'd be like, come just relax. And she's like, I just have to finish like cleaning the counter, the grout in the counter.

Like you make me sound like a psycho. No, she's just clean. But she was like, we just had like, she had made dinner and she was like, I just got to get this. You're welcome. Before. Thank you. You're the Monica Geller of the family.

I guess so. I, again, I, I, I, we, the world needs you, Jenny. The world needs a big deal. I can't do it. I appreciate it so much because I don't know how to do that. But my girlfriend's like that. Chrissy's like that. I will never go to bed with a dish in the sink.

Never. That's hardcore. Yeah. I used to be that way. I used to be that way. The one thing, one of the things that my mom told me when I was probably in my twenties, cause I probably really did develop like OCD and like different ways of processing and dealing with all of the shit that was going on around me all the time. So my mom probably noticed that. And I remember one of the words of wisdom she gave me was, cause I would just always be cleaning instead of enjoying the moment or being with the people in the house. Or, you know, I'd like, I just keep busying myself all the time. She said

the people in this room are so much more important than that dish in the sink. And I was like, yeah, sure. But years later now now I take that sort of more to heart and I slow my roll just a little bit. Before I let you ladies go, we play this fun game called Do You Know Me? You guys have obviously a great podcast out there. I know you mentioned it. I listened to it. It's fantastic. Do you want to share with our audience a little bit more of what it's about and what you ladies are talking about? It is called 9021OMG. They can go on Instagram, 9021OMG podcast. And we are rewatching our show starting back season one. We're going to go through all 10 seasons. We've never watched it together all the way through. And it's filled with that and like commentary. And we go off on tangents and stories because that's who we are.

Yeah, it's full of a chock full of OMG moments for whatever they may be about. But those are fun to talk about. And also we're, we're about to do our live wrap party, we decided to have a wrap party for the first season because that's what you do when you get through a season, when you make a season of TV. So we decided to have a rap party for season one. One of you were on The Masked Singer and one of you was on Dancing with the Stars. Was it Jenny, you were on Dancing with the Stars? Right. And Tori, you were on The Masked Singer. I did Dancing with the Stars. I had a great time. Did you have fun when you did it? Or was it more not as fun? Because it's really hard to do.

It was a lot of pressure. It was really hard. I'm an introvert. So stepping out into that spotlight is not easy for me and will never be easy for me. So it was really, really hard on me below the surface. But I did have fun and it was an amazing experience. I'm really glad I did it. She did so well. Yeah, you were in semifinals? It was, yeah. I was like, please vote me out. You wanted to leave? I remember when you said that and then she kept going. I was like, please, please don't vote for me.

Did you want to leave Masked Singer, Tori, or were you hoping to go all the way? No, so that was the scariest experience for me. One, because singing is a huge fear in my life. When I was young, someone told me I was tone deaf. And even though I love singing, it kind of shut me down from even singing with my songs. Oh my God, yeah, for sure.

It stuck with me. And I love singing, it kind of shut me down from even singing with my friends. Oh, my God. Yeah, for sure. It stuck with me. And I love singing. And like what Jen said, people don't think this of actors, but performing in front of a huge audience, even speaking, is terrifying for me. But it helped me knowing that I was behind a mask. Yeah. Just because I was like, okay, you know what? No one's going to be like, oh, it's Tori Spelling, so I'm going to judge her. Like, cause I go into things thinking that way. Cause I've had that perception my whole life. So it was kind of cool. So I was like, if I do well, great. You know,

if I don't, it doesn't matter. But by the end of my run, I was like, I want to stay. It was so fun. So scary though. One of my best friends did the mess singer as well. And he said it was maybe one of the most freeing things he's ever done because you're covered. And that stigma that is automatically put on you as a performer is eliminated. And you're just able to have like the most freest time doing it. Which is kind of like what I love about. I mean, there's not a lot to love about COVID. But the one takeaway for me is getting to wear a mask out in public all the time.

I am telling you, that's the best thing that ever happened to me. I not because I feel like people are always staring at me. It's internal in my mind. I just feel more comfortable covered up. And from, you know, like the other day we were at Neptune's net in Malibu, you know, that place by the ocean getting fish or we were having lunch. And I had a mask on and there was a lot of people in line. It was pretty crowded. And I had a mask on.

And I just said to my husband, I was like, I could not be standing here and not having anxiety attack without this mask. I'm so grateful for masks. That's my point. So wearing a mask to sing is a great thing. Jenny, I said the same thing to my girlfriend about two weeks ago. Did you? Yeah. There is a level of like comfort just to like wear a mask.

Yeah. And it's warm and cozy. Yeah, for sure. And you mentioned that you're an introvert. Is that something that I've actually kind of realized about myself that I have a lot of introverted qualities that I never realized? And actually, next week, we're having Susan Cain of the author Quiet, who talks about introversion and extroversion. And it's been really eye opening for me to kind of learn about myself. Have you always known you were more introverted or is that something that you kind of realized because i think back in the day we we the it's interesting about her book she talks a lot about uh just how

extroversion was seen as the what you want to be it's like you know younger you're supposed to be right-handed if you're left-handed you're somehow you know you need to switch did you and so there's this pressure to be extroverted. Did you always know about yourself, that about yourself or? You're so, so true what you just said. I always felt bad. I was made to feel bad or wrong, bad. What's wrong with you?

Like, why are you quiet? Uninteresting. Yeah. Or like not, not fun to be around. And I was like, I'm sorry, this is just who I am. And it doesn't make me me I'm a fun person if you if I know you and we hang out trust me I'm a fun time but it takes a minute to get there yeah did you ever have people ask you why aren't you having fun and you're just like what are you

talking about I am no no this is my favorite you ready for this one you should smile more yeah you know what you should fuck off that's what i say to that sorry i don't know if you can say that but no you can yeah i i just i'm what am i here to spot smile for you uh you know so that's a whole another story but i think that um you everybody wants to be an extrovert but i think it's kind of shifting now and people are getting a little bit more centered hopefully and uh people are learning that we can be both. We don't have to be one or the other. And I think it would be really awesome if all extroverts took a moment to say, how am I an introvert?

Let me look at that because in there is the interesting stuff that you can learn a little bit about yourself. then maybe you can learn a little bit about yourself. Yeah, I'm really interested to talk with her about that because there's a spectrum, right, in terms of you can be an extrovert and have introverted characteristics and vice versa. I'm kind of split on them. So sometimes I feel like as I get older, I'm becoming more introverted

or just embracing my aspect of it. I think that happens. But it's not wrong or right whichever you are but i think that kind of acknowledging or like accepting what your tendencies are makes you sort of embrace them and then feel good about them no matter what they are yeah totally which one are you sorry are you more introverted or extroverted i'm'm an extrovert, but not by choice. What do you mean by that? It was kind of conditioned because when I was younger, people would make assumptions about me, like who my dad was like, oh, it's Tori Spelling. She's

going to be mean. She's going to be a bitch. She's going to be difficult to unset. So I felt the need to go out of my way, even though I'm a super nice person, super friendly. I was shy back then, but I would go out of my way to smile all the time, please people to the point where that's now who I am. But inside, it's not who I want to be. And so actually, Jen has helped me realize that as I've gotten older, that you don't have to please people all the time. You don't have to be so outgoing that it's like wearing on you and sucking all of your energy. And that's something I still go back and forth with because yeah, I'm still in that mode of like everyone liked me, but inside I'm like, I just want my kids and my friends and family to like me, you know? Yeah. That happens.

Sometimes you get shoved into the, what you're supposed to be like, what people like you're and to be an introvert and be in this industry is challenging, to say the least. you know i know ellen degeneres has been in the news and all that stuff but like i think at her core i mean forget about the work office stuff but like you know i've met her if she's it seems like an introverted person you know and people read that and she can you can still be funny you could still as an introvert want to go out or you can still want to interact with people like i love going out and then i love going out and then having my small groups right and then talking to those people and that I you know and but and then I really hate when people walk up to me and like tell me to that I should be dancing or or doing I'm just like why like yeah I mean it's interesting because you as introverts your goal goal is to seem like an extrovert so that people will like you more or

understand you better or something. But I think that it's really interesting that people that are, I kind of feel like when I go to work, I'm an extrovert. I turn it on. Being an extrovert is actually my job. I get paid to be an extrovert. And then when I'm off hours, I go back to being an introvert and being comfortable in my own skin. Doing the dishes. Oh, I like that.

Teach me. Teach me. Are you ladies up for a quick game before I let you two go? All right. We play with with our guests. This is called Do You Know Me? It's real simple.

I'll ask basic questions. Does Tori and Jenny, have they ever done this? Do they do this? Do they know how to do this? Don't answer right away. It's me, Chrissy. We have also Amanda and All my two uh uh social syndicate assistants all around great people and we're gonna guess people we're gonna guess um so don't answer

and then we'll decide who who knows tori and jenny better and if you have anecdotal stories to your answers please share no pressure you don't have to do you know me with tori spelly and jenny garth question number one we'll start off easy can tori and jenny speak another language fluently can tori and and or jenny speak another language fluently uh i i don't know how um so i i find this to be an incredible feat of strength if someone does um i mean i don't know i'm gonna say I'm going to say I'm going to say Tori knows how to speak another language and Jenny doesn't.

That's what I'm going to guess. I'm going to say the reverse. I think both of them speak high school level French. Yeah, I was going to say like well, but not fluent. All right. Ladies? I don't speak another language fluently.

I understand Spanish fluently, but I don't speak it. Wait, you understand? Well, I think it kind of counts. Yeah. It's more than me. Yeah. Or I pretend to understand Spanish just so I can pretend like I know what people around me are saying. And I just nod my head a lot, but I feel like I understand them. Tori.

Same. I took Spanish all throughout high school. So I used to be able to speak pretty well, but now I can understand it, but I can't speak. No French. No French. No, we're not that interesting.

We don't even speak French. High school level French. I wish. All right. Question number two. Does Tor and jenny prefer talking on the phone over texting i'm gonna say i'm gonna say yes to both yeah yeah absolutely talking on the phone rather than texting we win it's the exact opposite hell no we hate talking on the phone both of us it's like it's like oh you like texting We hate talking on the phone. Both of us. It's like, it's like,

Oh, you like texting. Literally a fear of the phone. And she doesn't like me either. So it's a perfect. Like to each other. You don't even prefer on the phone. Not really.

Stop. I'm shocked. Nope. This is the biggest news coming out of this whole thing. It's very, very difficult to get either of us on the phone. Yeah.

We're on Zoom, so I feel special. It's different. It's not the phone, though. It's different. I like Zoom better than that. Yeah, way better. Question number three. This is a little more hard-hitting.

Amanda picked out these questions, so I apologize in advance. Nick loves before he reads anything sexual, he always makes sure to attribute the blame to me. Bring it Amanda. Let's go. Alright. Has Jenny and or Tori ever

fallen asleep during sex? No. I'm going to say no. Were there dishes in the sink at the time? What if I edit it and instead of falling asleep, yawned? Yawned during sex? Okay, yawn. I'm going to say yes.

I'm going to say no. Yeah, they've been working all those crazy hours. They work so hard. Boys do it. Girls can do it too. Falling asleep? Definitely falling asleep during foreplay. All right.

Tor, go ahead. No. I mean, we're both actors. So even if we were tired. Act like you like it. Yeah. Act like you're not tired. Super awake.

Loving it. Well done. It's so good. Well done well done tori that's amazing uh question number four has uh either jenny or tori cried in the last 24 hours no i'm gonna go with no i going to say one of you two has. I don't know who. I think I have. I have. Oh. I've cried.

Yeah. I mean, I watched Yellowstone, and honestly, a little tear-jerker. The end of season two really got me. I've watched a video on Instagram about this little baby fox that was crying and abandoned and then got rescued there we go see we both cried big cry babies did you cry over oh geez okay never mind yeah goddesses cry it was not a fox. It was a wolf. Let's see what else we got here. Has Jenny or Tori ever vandalized property?

Don't. Yes. Yes. That reaction makes me think yes too. I was going to say no. Yeah. I hope that one of them is key to car key to car yeah yeah like really like a carry over a guy yeah yes oh i want to do that so bad never do it feel really good what do you wait what do you guys like classify as vandalizing

like kind of anything i mean spray paint hitting a mailbox any aggression to property yeah any aggression to property whatsoever out of anger even if it wasn't noticed by many people i don't think you have have you intentionally i thought i thought you were going to say that when muso peed on the rug in our apartment that's that's a different that was not on the rug in our apartment. That's a different, that's not vandalizing. That was unintentional vandalism. Not really. It's not that unintentional because you let them pee on their rug. But okay, this is something I've done that I can remember. I don't know if this counts as vandalism though. One of my girlfriends was poorly treated by a boyfriend and they broke up and so I have a really big dog and she takes really big shits and I might have put her poop in a brown paper bag and left it

on someone's doorstep once is that vandalizing I don't know I don't know I don't know but it's worth a clap. Definitely worth a clap. I feel pretty good about it. I'm not going to lie. No regrets. Not a single one. He deserved it.

He did. Do you know if you stepped in it or not? I don't know, but I also put a little extra in his mailbox. Great. Because I knew that would get really stinky. So when he opened it. Good for you. And then he finds one and he's not going to expect the second. Yeah. Yeah.

It's a gift that keeps on giving. Final question and probably the most important one. Can Jenny and or Tori touch their tongue to their nose? I have no idea how would you know that about somebody you're gonna have to try no can I nope not even close I can't I feel like one of can you other of you too? Allie, can you? Yeah, I can. What does that say about a person? I don't think it's like genetic or something, right? You have a really long tongue.

Like you can either curl your tongue or you can't, right? Yeah, I can do it. I can't do anything with my tongue. I just touched mine. That's not what I heard. I can do things with my tongue, but. Correction. Anything tricky. Neverrection. Anything tricky. Never mind.

Forget it. The boys in Montana are like, bullshit. Ain't that the truth. I'm just kidding. But I do have a very short tongue. That's it. I don't know. I don't think I could touch my...

But I can do this. Look. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Go two ways. How do you do that? You look cute while you do that. Talents.

I don't know. Damn you. Can't do that. I'm going to say she can touch her tongue to her nose. Does anyone want to try? I've seen it. I can't do it. Oh, damn it. I have a long tongue, but... She has a really long tongue to her nose. Does anyone want to try? I've seen it. I can't do it. Oh, damn it.

No. I have a long tongue, Beth. She has a really long tongue, you guys. Wow, yeah. It won't go up there. It is really long. Push your nose down. I don't think that counts.

Close. Are you okay? So close. Oh, I just tried so hard it hurt. That was maximum effort. Yeah, thank you. You're welcome. And that's a no for you, Tor obviously not even close uh ladies thank you so much it's been a ton of fun i really appreciate

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why are we the way we are? It's really just about me so I can understand myself a little bit better. Ladies, thanks so much. I appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you guys. Bye. Have a great weekend. Bye. Have a great weekend. Bye.