The Viall Files - E263 Addiction, Feminism, & Self Love with Kelly Osbourne & Jeff Beacher

Episode Date: April 28, 2021

Kelly Osbourne and Jeff Beacher join us today for a very honest conversation mixed with a little bit of chaos. Today we catch up with these best friends the week before the launch of their podcast, The Kelly Osbourne and Jeff Beacher Show, on May 4th. Known for their dynamic and outrageous personalities, they were completely uncensored with us as we discussed Kelly and Jeff’s recent relapses, their views on addiction, and the mental challenges they overcame when they made the life choice to have weight loss surgery.  We definitely have a little fun investigating some earrings left behind in Jeff’s bathroom and finding out how these two “Howard Hughes” themselves through quarantine. But if this episode is an indication of all the directions their show can go in the future, then get ready for a heck of a ride. “Kelly also thinks the Matrix is a documentary.” Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes.  THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Huzzah: http://www.drinkhuzzah.com use code VIALL for 20% off. Figs: http://www.wearfigs.com use code VIALL15 for 15% your first order.  Each & Every: http:www.eachandevery.com/VIALL and use promo code VIALL30 for 30% off your first purchase.  The Zebra: http://www.thezebra.com/VIALL visit their website no to make insurance your smartest purchase yet.  Episode Socials:  @viallfiles @nickviall @kellyosbourne @jeffbeacher See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

you're crazy what's going on everybody welcome to another episode of the vile files i am your host nick joined by the team ali amanda and ch, and Chrissy. You guys doing great? Awesome. Amazing. Awesome. Absolutely great. So nice and wonderful to hear. Well, we have a great episode for you today. Jeff Beecher and the wonderful Kelly Osborne join us today. And we have a really just fun conversation about life, obviously dating. We talked a little bit about feminism and chivalry and whether they can coexist. I'm really curious about this topic lately.

I'm curious about some of your thoughts. Let us know what you guys think about it, and maybe we'll have some more dialogue in the future. And maybe we'll have some more dialogue in the future. But it's a really interesting topic these days as we continue to kind of discuss the roles that we play in relationships in life. And yeah, so just a fun conversation with Kelly and Jeff. And we also talked to Kelly about her relapse, her weight loss, and just really everything that she's been so honest and vulnerable about and we get more information and a deeper dive into into that and we thank Kelly for that talk about addiction and just a really great informative and also fun episode with both Kelly and Jeff so I hope you guys enjoy it and if nothing else let's get going

and if nothing else, let's get going. Jeff, Kelly, thank you so much for joining me. I'm so excited to talk with you guys today. Hi, thank you for having us. Yeah, we're super excited to be here. You can tell by how pumped he is. Kelly, I wanted to actually open up by thanking you for kind of the life I have, because I'm a big believer in the butterfly effect for people who affect your life.

And this dates way back. But do you remember Kyle McCullough? You know Kyle McCullough? Short guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So you introduced him to the bachelorette oh my god i remember okay and and way back when after caitlin bristow season i was at lollapalooza

and kyle's now one of my best friends right but oh Oh my God, that's awesome. At Lollapalooza, he saw me, he stopped me, and he was going through a breakup. And he wanted to make his ex-girlfriend jealous. And he recognized me and she knew she was a fan of the show. So we took a picture together and then proceeded to hang out all weekend long. Now he's one of my best friends. We hang out. And had he, had you not introduced him to the show,

he wouldn't have stopped me. And it wasn't, and it was because I moved out to LA, lived with Kyle. And if I had never moved out to LA, I would never gone back on the show and become the podcast and host this podcast, become the bachelor hostess podcast and be talking to you today.

So thank you, Kelly Osbourne. Oh my God, I really love that story. Did he tell you about, I think he was there that night when I got so excited about something that was happening on the show that I like went like, yeah, like that. And I ended up punching a cupboard

and breaking a finger. Of course you did. Yeah. He did tell me because that was the season where they made a big deal about caitlin and i hooking up mid-season and kyle was just like and apparently he told me the story how a lot of people were like oh my god what's going on they're like is this normal and they were like this never happens on the show i don't know if that was it but he did not mention that you punched the ceiling or the wall.

Yeah, no, it was a very intense episode. Yeah. So anyway, thank you for so much because it's kind of funny. Like all these things, there's so many things that play out, right, in life. Isn't it weird how many degrees of separation there are to human beings in this world oh totally right and there's like none anymore i know it is crazy and uh if that moment didn't happen there's not a doubt in my mind that i i don't move to la i don't quit my job i don't go back on the show i don't become the best he would have never recognized you yeah and i wouldn't have lived with him and i I wouldn't have moved to LA because Kyle,

like he, he became friends and like I signed with an agent and he was like, no, you got to move out. And I'm like, I'm like, I have my condo here. He's like,

just, I have a room to stay with me. And like, and he was a big catalyst. And if it weren't for, for that introduction and he would have never seen the show if it weren't for you. So thanks.

You're so welcome. Please tell him I said hello. I will. He says hi. Does she get a percentage or? No, I'm just kidding. No. He's like, no.

Anywho. Yeah. So you guys, congratulations on your new podcast that's launching. And I know a big part of your podcast is just kind of telling your stories and being vulnerable with the things that you guys experience in your life. And I thought we'd just spend some time today kind of talking about, you know, some of those topics that you guys are passionate about and just kind of talk about the world and what's out there and have some fun along the way. Awesome. Sounds good.

Kelly, you are obviously been really open. Can I just tell you something? Awesome. Sounds good. Kelly, you are obviously been really open. Can I just tell you something? I fucking love being in interviews with Jeff because Jeff is new to interviews and he has an interview voice

and it's my favorite thing ever. He's like, sounds good. I love it. Okay, it's not an interview voice. It is an interview voice. Are you trying to sound the weak voice? Sorry. Are you not a morning person, Jeff?

No, I am. It's just it was a late night. Oh, well, that's I did nothing. Whose earrings are that in the bathroom then? Don't worry about it. There we go. I knew it when I saw that. I mean, I went to the Dodger game.

That was fun. Are you in L.A. right now? I am, yeah. Is the Dodger Stadium that was fun but are you in la right now i am yeah yeah so yeah awesome is the dodger stadium cool it was great i mean it's like 20 capacity and so like you you have these small groups and it's they're so there's you know it was actually i mean it was great because less traffic you got in right away you got out And, you know, it was just fun to feel the energy of a crowd. You always catch everything. He's laughing because he's like, I can't believe you're making fun of my interview voice.

No, the earrings. You just catch everything. I'm washing my hands. Jeff, you're my best friend. We pretty much live in each other's houses. And I'm going to wash my hands and i look down and i'm like who's earrings are these oh jeff's had a lady friend over so yeah a great night man would you like me to go get the earrings so you can see them

you know no that's okay that's okay um kelly obviously you've been recently in the news being so honest and vulnerable about uh uh coming cleaning your relapse that you've had um yeah obvious not easy to do not easy to talk about maybe it was fun until it wasn't fun it always starts out funny and then you're just like what what the fuck am I doing? Like, what did I do? You know, to be totally honest with you, it's what our first podcast is all about. And because we had to go in and we record our first podcast because of this happening. And I just want to be as honest as possible about it. It's all part of addiction. You know, the addict inside of your brain, it's crazy and it works in the most insane ways. And my brain was telling me, oh my God, like everything in your life is great right now you're normal like you're fixed you can go back to drinking normally and you can have fun that was not the case no it's never going to be the case and what honestly what made me stop was I wasn't drinking for fun anymore.

And I got really drunk at my boyfriend, the guy I'm seeing at house. And the way he looked at me was like, you are disgusting. And in that moment, I felt disgusting. And I was like, nope, I'm done. And I woke up the next day and I called everyone and I told everyone and I put out that post and I am back in therapy because I stopped using my tools. on so i stopped participating i stopped showing up i came up with excuses for why i'm better than my alcoholism and i i'm not even joking you like poor jeff

he had to deal with it she had to deal with me for decades being a psychotic animal so it's you know it all evens out and so a couple weeks isn't that bad yeah it was like literally a matter of days that i was out but it um it didn't take long because once you stop you never drink the same way again yeah no it's i i could question for you i have friends various degrees right and some of them you know they we've had conversations where they they kind of like between them and i will be like i'm not sure if i have a problem you know i'm not sure if i use too much oh i'm very sure yeah but i wonder like they're they're scared There seems to be this, like, they can recognize that, but then they don't know what to do or where to go

or what people are going to say. You know, they'll tell me because... I'll tell you why, because there's so much shame associated with addiction, whether it's food addiction, sex addiction, love addiction, drugs, alcohol, whatever it is. It's shameful like you like you walk I'll tell you this I walked around for two weeks filled with shame and you're just getting you spiral and you don't know how to get out of that spiral and the only way you can do it is by getting honest and holding yourself accountable and and that's like

a beautiful thing about treatment and programs and and and all of that is that we get to you get to be vulnerable again and you have to allow yourself to go through that but what's great is that you're not alone when you walk into the rooms you're not alone because every single person in that room is suffering from the same thing that you are there are places that you are. There are places that you can go for help and they don't cost anything. It's not you have to pay to go. It's and I've met some incredible people that have really helped me.

And like I said, I think the world in general needs to start being a bit more accountable. And it's one of the reasons why I love being an alcoholic because I get introduced to things like the program that does hold me accountable and does make me a better person. Most people don't have that. Yeah. And you say the shame, and that's what my friends have expressed. And it's been over the years, different situations. But other than that, it was great that you shared that, like, is there any other advice or just kind of an inspirational, additional inspiration for the fear they have going to family and friends and saying, I'm an alcoholic or I have a problem?

And people think that because you are this, that you're, it's like, you're broken, that you're not good enough. That it's, it's what you have is an ism and your brain works differently. And we feel so much deeper and it's, it's a, it's a lot to carry. And that's why when things get too heavy and too intense and too crazy we check out or if you're like me when things get too good in your life you're like i don't deserve this i'm gonna go and fuck my life up that's the kind of person i am and i was and luckily i caught myself

this time you do that too you're like the worst for that i'm just i'm laughing because we had this talk like a couple months ago i'm like everything's perfect everything's literally your birthday what we have to do is not drink not my my kids not gamble you know not take pills and we're good stay healthy work out and we're good literally two weeks later he's on can i be honest yeah i had leg surgery you gotta give the details okay he had leg surgery so he was in low pain honest yeah i had leg surgery you gotta give the details okay he had leg surgery so he was in a lot of pain and then i had leg surgery and i had an infection in my leg oh i had a nurse living here for a month infection one more time out of your mouth i swear to god i'm gonna stab my eyeballs out why because that's all i've heard i have an infection

i don't have any more it's gone geez it was. It was. Anyway, it was a lot of pain. It was like a couple inch deep, like almost died, you know, the whole nine. Yeah. That's not good. Yeah. Yeah.

I empathize. Yeah. And then I started drinking and we both were like, what the fuck are we doing? No, it wasn't that. And Kelly like sat me down and she was like, look,

I just, you know, yeah, you needed the pain pills, but you don't need them anymore. And like, I love you and you need to get off of them. And I just can't be around you when you're on them. I'm like, Holy shit. Like she's right. Like I gotta get off these things. I just stopped taking them.

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savage didn't like i was i just didn't give a shit and then all of a sudden like i find myself in a relationship now where i'm like oh fuck i actually really care about how my actions affect this person so i'm gonna like not fuck this one up so i got a question for you this is something i've been interested in just in general we we you know this uh my audience is about 90 women uh we're we're very pro-feminist on this show. I consider myself to be a feminist. I also like to be chivalrous with my girlfriend. And you see kind of out there and kind of the discussions of feminism and this debate. We like to think that on this podcast, that two things can be true at the same time, even if you think there's kind of a contradiction.

And I'm wondering these days, can chivalry and feminism coexist, right? Or there's a lot of people out there will say, well, is it okay if you support feminism and women empowerment that you could open doors or be the one who pays for the first date on a meal? Like, where do you guys, do you have any opinions on that or where you stand? Because I have like a lot of friends

where there's a discussion there where my girlfriend considers herself a feminist, but likes when I... The other day we were walking down the street. Jeff's like, I am not answering this question. Come on, Jeff. Let's have some fun. No, but like... There's a fine line, I think.

And it's like, I am old-fashioned. I like it when a guy does things like that because to me it shows that they're taking that extra step to show me that they care yeah do you know what i'm saying like if a guy opens a door for me i'm not gonna be like i can open the fucking door like i'm like that's not i actually i'm like oh my god you haven't adored me but oh my god i am also one of those people that when it comes to paying like it we switch off yeah i do one he does one it's not like he's the guy he has to pay every time i don't agree with that at all i think that it's it's very nice when they do that but i'm also one of those people

that's like i like to pay my own way and i also enjoy taking care of him as well so and vice versa yeah i was the other day i was my girlfriend and i were walking down the street and i was on the outside of the street and no i was on the inside of the close to the wall she was close to the street and she was like you're supposed to swap you're supposed to swap i should be on the outside to kind of anything kind of in a protective role and i was just like i never thought about that thanks for letting me know and yet like she very much considers herself a feminist i very much love that she uh like is very hard working has her own job like takes pride in the things that she does that she wants to take care of herself and it's just

kind of an interesting kind of juxtaposition of of having those two independent thoughts and i'm just kind of curious how it's a balance but i think that that's the new art of love and war if you know what i'm saying totally because and it's all it's all individual to the person i would say as well because i mean i have some friends that absolutely believe that the man has to pay for everything and i'm always like what the shit is wrong with you like get it together like have something of your own did those same want something that is yours yeah do those same friends consider themselves feminists yes they do and i don't and then i'm like and is that wrong i don't know i mean can you still want the traditional chivalry and because

like isn't feminism just believing that men and equal are equal and capable and have the same right so treat it yeah but that's not you being a feminist then because you're not being equal yeah i don't know yeah but then how does that that's my belief on it and because you're not being equal like if you want everything to be equal then be equal but what about what about my girlfriend saying stand on the outside you know stand you know that's just saying that she's in the medical field so if you get hit by a car she can help you so you go down first you know but like clearly my girlfriend can open her own car door or an open a door she she's more than capable but car doors i mean she likes that i do that yeah yeah no i like i do too because if if there's little tiny things if the little things girls are sticklers

boys never look at the little things and the one thing that i'll always tell girls don't drop hints to men because whatever you're dropping, they ain't fucking picking up. You're just getting, you're getting frustrated and wondering why he's not getting the hint because that's not the way that men think. You just have to say to the point, do this,

what it is that is upsetting you, how it makes you feel. Let him say what he's going to say. And then you move on. If you sit there and be like i'm fine i'm fine and he's asking you what's wrong and you're not saying then you're just being an idiot like men men are not men are very deep but they're not as like we put things in boxes and all different shelves and we can like pull shit from nowhere. And we've made up conversations that we haven't had with you.

And we're suddenly pissed off because you are late again. You know what I'm saying? When we could have just said, Hey, it would really mean a lot to me if you just are on time this time, because we can't be late this time. And if you just say that. She clearly has late issues.

Oh, Sam. I'm with you. Oh, wait. So you're late. I know. I be late this time. And if you just say that- She clearly has late issues. Oh, same. Me. I'm with you. Oh, wait. So you're late? I know. I'm always on time. Thank you, Kelly.

I don't like it when people are late. It drives me insane. No, thank you. It drives me insane. It's one of the few things in life we have control over, and it's one of the most inconsiderate things you can do. Thank you. It says to me that you don't care about my time and you're late like you can be late shit happens

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Yeah, so this is a project. I do not work on cars. A side project that I've been working on. My mission is to learn how to fix an engine myself. We need to introduce her to Constance. So my Eric, who is the guy that i date he and i are coming to up with like this idea to do this i don't know where we're going to place it but the whole idea is it's like a challenge game show where he sets me a challenge of having to

fix a certain part of a car and i have to figure it out myself and if i can't figure it out then i have to do the thing that i don't want to do. And through the process of trial and error, I actually learned how to rebuild an engine, but it's always good. I want to start with a classic truck and we're just trying to figure out which truck first. I used to know how to change my oil on a car and then like technology happened and now it feels like it's impossible like a 57 like an older car i can do but that's it that's all i can do is put washer fluid in my car and maybe change my oil and put a flat i think i could change a battery i could probably change the oil but that's about it at this point gotcha oh wait oh one more question

how do you feel about uh kelly you're you're in a car with eric you guys are on your way to dinner pull over for gas should eric always pump the gas yeah i'm not touching that thing I think whoever's driving should pump the gas so feminists two feminists men and women are in a car it's the women's car this has got nothing to do with being a feminist

I'm just wondering this thing never happens who's pumping the gas if I'm in my car Who's pumping the gas? If I'm in my car, I'm pumping the gas. If he's in his car, he's pumping the gas. I think that's it. The driver. The driver should pump the gas. The whole thing is I got an electric car

because I don't like pumping the gas. I think there's a lot of people listening who are like, I'm not pumping that gas. Get out. Pump the gas. Jeff looks like he has an opinion. Come on, Jeff. I like whoever's driving pumps the gas. It's pouring rain. It's hailing. The rain's going sideways. It's

windy. Who pumps the gas? Am I on a call for work? You would still make it. You're both hands free. I would definitely do it. I'm just wondering. I don't know. Honestly, I don't know if Eric would even

let me if I wanted to. Do you know what I'm saying? No, I do. Even if I was like, no, I'll do it. I'll be honest with you. Stuff like that, I don't care. I'm like, I'll get my hands dirty kind of girl I like I am not like I have a broken nail like I don't give a shit like it's not

it's a are you laughing at me I love you so much she's enjoying with you not out of a broken nail and I'm like yeah me too like I'm like I just like I don't give a shit like I'm human I'm not perfect like and I will here's something that girls need to know I used to be and I don't know what happened I think it was COVID that changed this for me I used to care so much like oh you're like Stacey doesn't like this guys don't like that guys like a girl who knows who she is, what she wants, and is confident in herself. I don't worry about anything that he does ever because the first thing he ever said to me was, if a guy doesn't like you, you will be confused. If a guy likes you, you won't be.

Are you confused? And I said, no. And he goes, okay, then. And I was like, great. That's all I needed to know. Like, I'm easy like that. And I never have that thing where I think, who is he with? Do I need to be there?

Like, I have my own shit. He does his own shit. Do women, can men operate the same way? Or if a woman likes a guy, should he safely assume that if i'm not confused she likes me but if i am confused she doesn't i think it works both ways yeah i agree i really do yeah i did i think it works both ways for men and women did earrings leave her earrings on purpose jeff or yes or, she knew we had a tight schedule today, so she just ran out.

Is that why you were up at like seven and you said, oh, I left the door unlocked and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah? I was like, how the fuck is he awake and going back to bed again? I can't tell if he's stretching sincerely or it's a flex. No, it's a flex because, yeah.

Like, ugh. And it's like, ugh. Look at me. Like, ugh. Like, ugh. Yeah, totally. Leave the earrings to come back later to get them. The left arm is like foreplay. I'm going to get the earrings. This was like... Oh, this will be fun.

You can judge the kind of girl by the earrings. Oh, can we? So much so. You can judge a kind of girl by the earring oh can we so much so so much so you can judge a girl because if it's like a tiffany diamond earring that's one thing if it's like a dream catcher earring that's another thing the simple sweet little earrings yeah elegant but not overstated we stop i'm not we're not right now what is? I know who these belong to. Okay. What is the earring, though? Oh, it's a nice little diamond classy.

That looks like a classy girl earring. Yes, it was very classy. Classy woman right there. Good for you, Jeff. Classy. I mean, if it had, like, a bunch of bedazzled jewels on it for one night, though. I keep, like, turning my head and mouthing different girls' names to him to try and figure out like which one it is. She's classy,

but yet she knows how to party on a Thursday night. No, we didn't party. It was just chill. Well, it sounds like you guys partied together. I had a very bad financial crypto thing. Oh, what happened? I'm in the Ethereum market. Just so that we're aware of this.

Let me get ready to talk about crypto. I have a lot of Ethereum. I have one account that was leveraged. Our whole lives revolve around whether Jeff is doing well on crypto or the stock market or whatever it is because a week can get thrown away.

I got stopped out because of the Biden tax leak. Remember when it just doubled on crypto or the stock market or whatever it is because a week can get thrown away over this. I got stopped out because of the Biden tax league. Remember when I just doubled last night a couple hundred points? That didn't help my account. So whatever. It's all good. It'll bounce back. It was down for a while.

It bounced back already. That's the classy girl with the classy earrings. Kelly, another thing you've been... She's a classy broad. Yeah. Kelly, another thing you've been open about is weight loss, right? Both of us. Oh, really?

You too, Jeff? Body positivity? Me, I only lost like 260 pounds. Yeah, he lost way more than I did. We did this together. Jeff used to be a very, very, very angry larger man. Very angry, except for he was never angry at me, but he was angry at everyone else.

You look great. Thank you. I don't want to tell your story for you, but go on. I don't know. Yeah, I was about 440 and lost 260-ish. Maybe right now I'm 240-ish, 250-ish. And like he, but we both, we both were like hot messes, if you know what I mean.

But not even hot, just like fugly messes that were angry and sweaty and fat. And so we- I was known as the fat Brad Pitt in Vegas. So I'm just putting that out there. I mean, listen, I personally would take anything that included Brad Pitt.

Yeah, yeah. Not like everything. The fat Brad Pitt. Okay. Nick sometimes calls him... What did you say? The Walmart Ryan Reynolds? I don't call myself.

I've been told. I've been told that um but what i wanted to ask you guys um you know we talk a lot about positive body positivity on this show where do you like and again this it's kind of a the climate is you know love yourself everyone's respected their own feelings but you know and so big small whatever you know love yourself and we support that but how do you have a conversation with say someone about body positivity while simultaneously having a conversation about health and wellness right and where do you draw the line to start with to start with mental health first. Okay. That's what, like, that's something that we both learned.

People always ask, like, what was your diet? How did you lose 260 pounds? And how I lost 260 pounds was I fixed my head. Yeah, that's what we did first. Like, I did two years of straight therapy. Like, I went every single day for one year. Like, even on the weekends. I signed myself up for this intense thing and then

I um as this when I got into the second year it lessened and I just went once a week but it's I couldn't have done it unless I had fixed my head first because I know so many people that go into doing what we did Jeff Jeff and I both did surgery. We got the gastric sleeve and I'll tell you if you don't go into it with the right head space and sober, it won't work. Yeah, because if you don't change

your diet, you'll just gain weight. If you don't change everything, your outlook on everything. I lost 120 pounds before we got the surgery. Okay. And then I got the surgery. Okay. And then I got the surgery. So yeah, you kind of developed those good habits. When people ask me for advice and they're just so obese and disordered control,

sometimes you just have to get the surgery. What the surgery does is give you a year, two years of your stomach reset. Then you have to go fix your head. Or you can fix your head first, then get the surgery. But one thing you cannot do is drink when you get this surgery, because what it does is it, uh,

first of all, alcohol is completely different in your body. Now I used to be able to drink so much. Can't do that anymore. I've learned. Um, it's scary. And, um, it, what happens is it relaxes your stomach and your stomach will stretch and then you will eat more and you will gain weight and it is it's only like i would never recommend this surgery to anybody who doesn't want to make a life change because otherwise it's pointless and you're just wasting your money you're throwing in the trash because you're just gonna go back to where you were yeah i mean it's interesting you talk about how you jeff how you kind of made like making the changes before the

surgery right because I think people often confuse self-love right and taking care of yourself like sometimes you know you know critics you know people who are in shape or whatever consider themselves and they you know will might fat shame or things like that right and and they'll be critical of someone and someone says, I love how I look. I love who I am. And then people will start arguing about those type of dynamics and just taking care of yourself

and having good habits, whether it's diet and drinking and mental health are important all while if you do want to lose weight. And it's interesting because I think people seem to fight about that stuff a lot in terms of difference between self-love and wellness. I think that all of it is about balance. And all of it, again, is about honesty.

You've got to be honest with yourself about where you are and what it is you really want. And why you want it. I wanted to do this for me. I have friends that did it because they wanted guys to like them. Like that was, I never went and did any of this for anyone other than myself.

And that is so important because if you're not doing it for yourself, you will never succeed. It's like all the other, it's all the other things. Like, well, they won't like me if I don't look like this and I won't get a job if I'm not skinny. And I'll tell you this,

when I was fat, Hollywood did not look at me at all. They were like, no, we're not using her. It's, it's just how the industry goes.

But I didn't care about that. I wanted to figure out why the fuck I hated myself so much. Vegas was cool to me when I was fat. Well, you're not a girl. I know what I out why the fuck I hated myself so much. Well, Vegas was cool to me when I was fat. Well, you don't know how to go. I don't know what I'm saying. It's a lot different as a girl.

It's a lot different. Do you think there's a double standard? Oh my God. Oh my God, yes. Yes. It's such a double standard. Even if you're trying to get into a club, myself as a bigger girl standing next to somebody who is not, that girl is going to get into a club myself as a bigger girl standing next to somebody who is not that girl is going to get into a club way faster in a line than i am 100 percent it's something

that simple yeah and when you put it like that you see how like grotesque society is and yeah like like i did terrible things in my life but i got way more shit for being fat than the things that i did that were terrible i'm like what the fuck is wrong with people why do they care so much about my fat ass like and it wasn't until like i was like i want to do this for me i want to feel good about me and I want to make myself happy. So I made myself happy and then I lost weight. And then Kelly and I also started a foundation where we pay for stomach surgeries for people that can't afford it.

Oh, wow. How do you guys go about kind of allocating that money? I mean, knowing how much you talked about, like doing the steps before the surgery, is that part of kind of the qualification process? We're setting it all up now because we launched in the middle of corona so yeah it started in the middle of corona so nothing is like happening as fast as we wanted to like by now we were hoping that we would have a ward and a plaque on it with like kelly and jeff institute of weight loss you know but it's not happened just yet but for us it's we're both like

the definition of white privilege like we can get this surgery we can pay for this surgery we want to make sure that people who don't have insurance that want to make this change and want a better life can afford this surgery too oh sorry i forget you're Nicaraguan, but still white privilege. And so we want to make sure that everybody has an opportunity to get this surgery because it is life changing. It's so life changing. And it's important to us that we can give back what we got from it. That's awesome. Before we wrap it up and play our favorite game with our guests uh you you know we've talked a little bit about covid and uh i think as we come out of covid people have

kind of learned to appreciate different things what are things that you're going to what what have you learned about yourself through like quarantine what are you going to miss about quarantine or and what are some of the things you guys are most excited to get back to as the world slowly gets back to normal okay just so you're aware jeff and i during quarantine were complete and not a fucking psychos we had conspiracy theories up the yin yang conspiracy theories you had conspiracy theories. You had conspiracy theories, too. You know, you would yell at me and be like, well, CD, my CD can't handle it. And then you would start telling me about your conspiracy theories. Then we would go on these hikes and I'd be like, don't touch me.

The fucking touch me. And he'd be like, don't touch me. And then he had to love it. He just had this. Glover to stop. I'm going to sum it up. You ever see Aviator with the other cabrio? Yes. Yes. When Howard Hughes like lockedator with the other cabrio? Yes.

When Howard used, like, locked himself in the house and, like, peed in cans. Yes, peed in the jars. That was you guys? Like, literally, like, washing your hands. Oh, you were scared of corona. I'm like, no, no, I wasn't scared of corona. I had a mental breakdown. But, like, you should have seen our knuckles.

Like, they were raw from how much we were washing them. And, like, anytime anyone anytime anyone like spraying everything. And if we saw anybody walking their dog across the street, I'd light or spray the air. Like it was like insane. Yeah. So I'm happy that's over. I think our favorite one was like,

we went for a hike and then we saw these like army fighter jets. And I was like, see, they're surveying the area because everyone's gonna die it's gonna be a zombie apocalypse we gotta figure out where they land because that's the army base and that's where we should go and i was like freaking out have you always been a conspiracy theorist kelly or did you i have yeah completely what what are some other conspiracy aliens are among us just so you know does that make you a conspiracy theorist by believing in you among us it depends on the degree of alienism i think that you believe men in black is a documentary news since april of last year let's put it leave it

in that i think well i think that's smart um so kelly true or false, Men in Black is a science fiction or a real life documentary? I feel like it's based on reality. E.T. E.T., not science fiction. Kelly also thinks The Matrix is a documentary. Yes. No, like how do we not know that we are living in an alternative universe how do

we not know that there is a parallel universe to this we don't who is the astrophysicist neil tyson degrassi yeah 80 of the world is dark matter that we know nothing about he says not only that but we don't even know about the ocean and we live here like either either we are at the beginning of a simulation or at the end of the simulation one of the don't even get me started on my whole like alien thing like and i'll bring egypt into it and then is it possible she's into the ancient alien is it possible you're an alien and you don't know it i've wondered that but no i feel like if i was an alien i could fix my problems better you know what i'm saying well maybe i've got too much human shit going on in me so i i get

what you're saying yeah yeah we you would have to be too advanced to yeah you know what i'm saying yeah like you'd be like that's assuming aliens are more advanced well yeah of course they're going to be that's a safe assumption human evolution yeah if they're here in human bodies they've had to figure out some shit to do that how do we not know that coronavirus isn't aliens well kelly we we don't we don't see well kelly we don't we don't see well Kelly we don't I mean right I don't know

either way wear a mask aliens they are owners of mask companies and they're um what are some things you're looking for other than getting out and not peeing in jars what are what are the things that you are most looking forward to once things get back to normal i don't know it's like i've learned to appreciate time in a whole new way and patience. And I think that we, the nice part of it is that it's taught us all kind of just to slow down a little bit and we don't need everything instantly.

You're not going to die if it doesn't happen in that moment. We've learned that in the last year. And I think that it turned people one way or the other. You either went completely crazy or you embraced it and you changed and it's made you a better person. But I do think at one point, every single person has lost that mind during coronavirus. It's been too much change.

Human nature can't even handle it. I, I would like to see, uh, handshakes abolished for good. Thank you. Me too. There's no need for it.

Don't touch me. I don't need to touch you. We're good. It's like Japan. They just bow to each other. It's fine. Acknowledgement. That's all you need.

Yeah. Thank you. This whole handshake, it's just like, I don't know if you wash your hands or what rails you've been touching. And even though Corona might- And you totally look like the kind of man that's going to like scratch your balls and snip your fingers. So like, don't touch my hands.

Thanks. That's how I feel. Not you. I was just saying in general. Yeah. Not the Walmart Ryan Reynolds. Well, Walmart, you know, I mean, not dissing Walmart. Great value.

Reasonable prices. Yeah. I don't, I don't see the point of handshakes i don't understand let me take my whole day of decisions and wrap it up and give it to you in the form of a handshake it's like fuck you the thing is as well is that like if you're not noticed that human beings still find a need to touch each other so now it's like elbow bump fist bump i'm like i don't want to touch you i'm fine with an elbow bowing i like that yeah yeah like yeah but if you start namasteing we're done we're done so the bow without words i'm so bad without what i don't

even mind like a hug a hug for like you know people i know i don't want to hug a stranger but like yeah that's the thing like randomly meeting strangers and 99 of them i'm never going to talk or see two again and they come up to you and they're like i'm a hugger and they stick out their hand it's so true i'm a hugger i'm not you're like like, I'm like, well, I'm not. I'm not. Yeah. Because I'm so short when people hug me. I'm the height of everybody's like where my neck is always goes where the armpit is. So I get like hot armpit on my neck, like wet armpit. And you're like, oh, don't. And then when they tell you you're a hug, they're a hugger.

You're like, feel like you're forced to hug. Or you could respond with, I'm a headbutter. Like, why do you have to make me feel like a dick? Because I don't want to embrace you or shake your hand. Well, I think we all came up with a good solution. This is the... Like, Japan. I want to start doing that and just see what people say.

Maybe just the head. Maybe just the head nut. Because all we require is acknowledgement. I want to start doing that and just see what people say. Maybe just the head, maybe just the head, not. I'm going to go to Georgia. I can't see Nick. I'm going to start bowing to people. No, I grew up, I grew up doing like a Japanese method of piano.

And so I would have to bow to my teacher at the end of every one of my lessons. And there was nothing weirder than like bowing to a white woman in suburban Minnesota and being like, thanks for the lesson i learned a lot thanks bye that's actually really funny do you do you still do it ellie i i mean she would teach i was like five and she'd be like you have to bow longer like say hippopotamus in your mind while you're bowing and then come back up i was like this is them say hippopotamus i would have been like fuck off what's this game that we're

about to play oh you are gonna love it nice little segue thank you jeff uh it's called do you know me should we talk about your sweatshirt one more time to plug merch? Yeah, thank you. Ready? Is it great? Can we get it again? Vilefiles.com. I love the way you giggle every time you don't want to promote your own shit. It's really cute. Maybe Jeff needs the, it's from the earring girl.

It's not love. It's toxic stimulation one. Yeah. No. It's love. We're good. Yeah. Look at that smile is it as soon as we get up this cool you guys i'm gonna be like tell me everything he can't wait to call her and be like how you doing i'm just thinking about you babe

thinking about you babe all right are you guys ready to play vile files it's uh it's called do you know me it's real simple uh i'm gonna ask questions does jeff and kelly this has jeff and kelly ever done this don't answer right away the uh one two three four of us are going to guess right we're gonna guess and then you answer yes or no if you have an anecdotal story to explain your answer you're welcome to share it you're also not required to uh but we are going to guess if we know you okay let's go do you know me with jeff and kelly question number one real simple does jeff and kelly believe in zodiac signs does jeff and kelly believe in zodiac signs and i mean like believe like they know their sun and moon rising co-star they like ricky williams believe yeah they believe it. They use it as a guide to decisions they make in life.

Not Jeff. Not Jeff. Yep. Not Jeff. I feel like Kelly has to because of the whole conspiracy theories of like aliens. She had to fill her time somehow in quarantine. I feel like Kelly has one friend who's really into it. And so Kelly's adjacent to it.

She's been in and out of it. Yeah, absolutely. She's like she's dabbled i'm not like it's running her life into it yeah we're ready i have one friend that's really really really into it and so i've gotten into it i have one friend that knows like everything like everything and can tell me all about it but i will say i do i am one of those people that does feel like my star sign if that makes sense like when you read about it and like yeah but I'm not one of those people that's like oh it's a Scorpio thing

like I don't like my I don't blame like my that's because you're a Libra yeah you know if you weren't a Pisces you wouldn't have done that to me exactly i will say when you talk to someone who knows their shit like ricky williams you understand astrology in a more useful way rather than that kind of a cosmo way about it like

there's an actual practical application for it first question was a softball we're going to heat it up a little bit with question number two has jeff or kelly ever been injured during sex yes jeff 100 yes yes kelly yes as well kelly has left scratch marks on the back before so she's injured i don't know if she's been injured i guess you're like falling off of something or something falling over and hitting her i'm gonna say yes for both i'll say yes for both uh no i'll tell you i got a black eye once during sex because i was trying to be sexy and i did like a head flick straight into the guy's fucking skull and it gave me the biggest black eye i have ever had and i had to hire somebody that does prosthetic makeup because i was in the middle of a book tour to come and cover my black eye because it was so bad and then then with the guy that I'm currently seeing,

the first time we hooked up, I fell off the bed and hit my shin on the wooden post and fractured it and couldn't really walk. Oh, that's like the most painful. The shin? You have no idea. The bruise lasted. It was probably, and it spread from my knee to where my ankle bent,

the front of my foot. Not a lot of blood flow down there. You don't know how to use that word. And it was so, I was just like, note to self, don't try and be sexy. Just be yourself. Because every time you do, you get hurt. Yeah. And Jeff?

Jeff? Mine's very private. Can I please tell them no please can we get cliff notes why did you injure it is it's not anymore very much all right do me all right let's let's compromise describe it in three words broke his dick that is two words i don't think it would be that easy but thank you

Jeff you're a generous lover thank you and it even it sounds like everything's we're healed up otherwise they wouldn't have earrings there you go question number three Everything's more healed up. Otherwise, they wouldn't have earrings. There you go.

Question number three. Can Jeff and Kelly name three Shakespeare plays? Yes. Yes. Kelly can. Jeff, sure. Yeah. I don't want to doubt Jeff.

Go ahead. You can doubt me. It's fine. I think Jeff only knows Romeo and Juliet. I didn't even know that was a shakespeare play kelly kelly can you name let's hear let's hear uh midsummer's night dream romeo and juliet and um mcbeth also taming of the shrew which of the shoe there you go which is uh what i recently learned because we recapped it on my patreon that 10 things i hate about you is based off of yes it is i didn't i didn't know that you

didn't know that also by the way that movie holds up go back and watch it it's good that movie's amazing isn't she's the man based on what 12th Ugh, classic. Question number four. Did Kelly... Yeah, we're in rehab. Let's see here. Moving on. That was so fucking funny. Does Kelly or Jeff believe in God? Yes.

In some form. I'm going to say they're not atheists. Is L. Ron Hubbard considered God? Oh, my God. Wow. Wow. Okay. Okay.

I believe in God. Yes. Okay. Okay. I believe in God. Yes. I do. Of course I believe. Of course I believe. I was bar mitzvahed. Oh, good for you. In Nicaragua.

We got just a little clear about the Nicaragua thing. 23 and me. I met my birth mother and I turned out in Nicaragua. Good for you. That's awesome. Question number, I forgot. Good for you. That's awesome. Question number. I'm forgot. I lost count.

Ken Kelly and Jeff name all the oceans. No, no, come on. I can see their eyes. They're like trying to think of their head. I believe in you. Give it a shot.

Caribbean. It's not an it a shot. Caribbean. It's not an ocean, Jeff. Caribbean isn't the ocean. There's the Pacific. Yeah. The Atlantic. There you go. The Baltic.

No. That's a sea. That's a sea. Is the Dead Sea considered one of them? No. It has sea in it, Kelly. The Dead Sea? Still a sea. The answer Sea? Still a C.

The answer is no. Indian Ocean. The Pacific Ocean, the Atlantic Ocean, India, Antarctica. Antarctic, yeah. I didn't even graduate high school. I would just like to say that Kelly's laugh is like bringing me to life because my laugh is so loud.

So this time the comment section can blow up a different way. bringing me to life because I get my laugh is so loud. So this time, this time the comment section can blow up a different way. Last question. Last question. And just before we do, I just want to thank you guys for being so fun. Has Jeff and Kelly or Kelly and or ever dumped someone over the phone?

Or text. I was going to say text should be considered phone. Yeah. Yes. ever dumped someone over the phone or text? I was going to say text should be considered phone. Yeah. Yes. Heartless. There is no hesitation. He's a Las Vegas fat Brad Pitt. Of course he's done it. He's like, I'm a fucking savage.

Boom, drop. Yeah. Yeah. Kelly's broken up with me over text. We're not even dating. Have you ever ghosted someone? Okay. So he's a habitual ghost.

Okay. People think I'm named as ghost. Yeah, but I'll tell you this. Universal ghost. It's not like a specific individual ghost. It's universal. It was like 20 years. She's disappeared for like a year individual ghost. It's universal. It's like bi-world.

I've been with my best friend for 20 years. She's disappeared for like a year at a clip sometimes. Like, so basically, I get overwhelmed really easily. I think she created the word ghost. Yeah, maybe. And I get overwhelmed really easily. So when I'm around too many people in like a day, I need a day by myself.

Because it's just too much energy and too many people. And it's like, I just need like a day, I need a day by myself. Cause it's just too much energy and too many people. And it's like, I just need like a day where my, cause I have ADHD as well. Like if you not notice, like I've been on my feet and like, I can't fucking sit still. I'm up at six every morning, whether I like it or not. Like, it's just, I've got so much energy. So like every now and then, like, I just need a minute

like on my own. And so it's a universal ghosting. Universal. You should see how many unread text messages I have and unread emails. It's crazy. Wow. That's because you're only fans, though. You will get no judgment from me.

It would actually be me eating. Because you're only fans. Nobody wants to see that. People don't look at me and they're like, I'm not a sexy girl. I'm like the fun chick. It's not written in the cards for me. Yeah, you could be sexy and fun. No, Kelly's very underplaying her OnlyFans account.

She's an incredible woman. Could you imagine? My dad would fucking kill me. My dad would fucking kill me if I ever did something like that. Like, kill me. I put up a picture of me in a bikini, like a bikini top, and he was mad on my Instagram. I got a whole, like, what are you doing?

This is not who you are. I'm like, dad, I'm by a pool. All right, Ozzy. He doesn't like it at all. Never has. No, but seriously, it's onlyfans.com slash Kelly Osbourne. She's killing it.

All right. Way to make it fucking uncomfortable, Jeff. End it on a douchey note. I thought we were supposed to promote the podcast and... Not reformed douche, relapsed douche. Relapsed douche. Now, relapsed douche relapsed douche

relapsed douche we can both wear that one I'm gonna go on my Instagram I've been non-douche for four years guys thank you so much for being so much fun tell us where you can find well you can find our podcast wherever you can listen to podcasts but it drops March 4th

I believe yeah May 4, May 4th. May 4th. May 4th. We're going backwards. That's a cool little promo thing we should do. May 4th be with you. Like, I don't know, do Star Wars. Yeah.

Kelly is super into that idea. Yeah. Well, I mean, you do believe in aliens, and technically Star Wars are aliens. So you should be down. Listen, Walmart, Ryan Reynolds, relax with the jokes over there. Guys, it's been a ton of fun. I really appreciate it.

Also, where can they social? Should we be following you guys on social media? Where can they find you? I'm at Kelly Osbourne on all platforms except tiktok which we're going to be doing a whole episode on where i actually joined tiktok and they're going to show me how to do it kelly it's wild you won't regret it i literally it's been like one of these things like i'm not doing it you should do it yeah i said the same thing like cool about not doing it but now i feel like i'm missing out it's wild and i'm at jeff Beecher across all platforms.

Are you on? Hold on. I can't wait to see your TikToks, Jeff. Sorry. Thanks so much, guys. It's been a ton of fun. Thanks for listening, guys. Don't forget to send your questions at asknickatcastmedia.com,

cast with a K, and sending your reviews. Check out Kelly and Jess' podcast. Follow them on social. And if nothing else, we will see you back on Monday. And you're going to send us a sorry I'm right sweatshirt. Oh, my God. You said you wanted to support them. Shut up, Jeff.

Bye, guys. We love you. Thank you. Bye. Thank you. Take care. Bye, guys. thank you take care bye guys