The Viall Files - E281 The Bachelorette Recap With Chrishell Stause

Episode Date: June 22, 2021

Today we are recapping The Bachelorette with friend of show, Selling Sunset's, Chrishell Stause. Chrishell joins us for her third time to go through a very drama filled episode of The Bachelorette. Nick spills some of the behind the scenes moments we did not see on the episode and we find out that maybe Chrishell has a little crush on Aaron? From worked up drama, red flags, and heart felt touching moments we cover it all today on The Viall Files.  “…so you were the Oprah of the episode.” Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes.    THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: BetterHelp: Http://www.betterhelp.com/VIALLFILES to get 10% off your first month.  Natural Habits: http://www.nhoils.com use code LOVE for 30% off.    Episode Socials:  @viallfiles @nickviall @chrishell.stause See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

you're crazy what's going on everybody welcome to another best episode of the recap ever because of our guest chrishell stouse who is with us hello chrishell hi oh i thought you were gonna say because of who made an appearance also also because i'm on the episode does that also make chrishell like a triple crown, a triple crown winner, like her and Justin long. Yeah. So you're one of the,

you've now done the hat trick. Yes. Which is interview. Ask Nick episode, bachelorette recap. You are in the Mount Rushmore of lily of all gas. So please put that in your Instagram bio. I'll expect that to be updated. Thank you. By later today. of Lyle Fowl guests. So please put that in your Instagram bio.

I'll expect that to be updated. Thank you. By later today. Going on the resume. Bear with us, Chrishell, as we finish our intro to this episode because we try to get these out to you as quickly as possible. We have a great week.

The rest of the week, we're ready for you. Andy Grammer is with us tomorrow on a fantastic episode of The Vow Files. We also have Katie, the Bachelorette, with us next Wednesday. We have Dave Holmes helping us break down The Bachelorette next week. And always a fantastic episode of An Aesthetic next Monday. So thanks for tuning in.

Always appreciate it. Tell your friends, subscribe, rate us five stars, all that good stuff. Now let's get to the episode chrishell so nice to have you back it's so nice to be back uh before we get in this episode how are you what's new are you in love who are you dating do you have anything that will uh get us press i love it you're just starting with the easy questions yeah yeah uh no i'm, I just bought a new house. You bought a new house? Yes, I've been getting it settled. Where?

Mount Olympus. Oh, okay. Mount Olympus. Super excited. What a flex. I've been in Mount Olympus. Yeah, that's a flex. Okay.

So that's where my focus has been. But yeah, I- When are you having a house party? I will be having a house party. I just had a small one, but I didn't have water the day before. So I was afraid that before I invited fancy friends. So I'm not at a soft opening level.

I want to make sure for sure I'm going to have water and furniture. I didn't get those things the day before. So now I'm going to have a real one. So you're definitely invited to that one. You're invited once you can flush. Were you your own real estate agent? Of course I was. Did you get commission?

Of course I did. What a win. What a win. Yeah. What was the buying process like? How was your agent? You know, she was really great. I definitely think I found a winner with my agent.

No, but it was, I feel like, you know, I did my job right because this market is hard to buy in right now. And I feel like if I sold it tomorrow, I could get more than what I bought it for. I have gotten multiple offers on my house since I bought it in September. People, there's real estate agents showing up to my door, be like, hey, just wanna know if you wanna sell it. I'm like, where am I gonna live?

So that shows you. But you, you know, that's good. Yeah. That's a good sign. Will will be seeing the buying process on next season of... Selling Sunset. Selling Sunset. Yes, you will. Yes, they followed me throughout that process.

And, you know, people are always saying like, oh, we want a house tour. But I think it's better if you wait because they're going to be able to show you in a way that my stupid Instagram will not. I want you to see it that, you know, the right way. So yes, it will be on season four. When's that come out?

This fall. We don't have a strong, like a hard date yet. But this fall. Interesting, and when you were buying her house, were you like, here's where I could imagine myself hanging out with my new next boyfriend? Or like, what does Chrishell think about, like what does she visualize when buying her house

other than, well, what do you? I visualized a place I could be happy and i don't need a man no matter where i'm at so i loved looking at this house and thinking you know it would be really hard to be bothered about anything the one that i found so i'm pretty happy there all right i mean i i i don't need a woman but i was like oh pool hot tub this could be fun it could be fun oh for sure i'm not gonna say there's a yard there's privacy i could do whatever the fuck i want yes it has all of those things which would be nice if that happens i'm just saying i also was like have you met your neighbors you guys are gonna die you will never guess am i allowed to say who my neighbor is? Please, yeah. I share a driveway with Lizzo.

Like the Lizzo. With Lizzo? Yeah. Can you tell Lizzo to come on the podcast? Cause like we've talked about having her on. Oh my God, when the agent told me that I- You share a driveway? Yeah.

Interesting. I invited her, but you know, it's- She nice? I didn't wanna be one of those people that I'm like, I don't always have parties. Is she a good neighbor so far? I haven't actually met her. I just talked to her assistant,

but she seemed lovely and wonderful. And I just think that's the coolest thing that's ever happened. So when I found that out, I was like, and sold. Here's my offer. Please accept it. Let's go. My neighbor grows great weed. See?

Great neighbors are a good plus. So it's not, it's, you's you know no one famous you know what my neighbor before was a distributor and so you know i went from that to lizzo so maybe your next neighbor is gonna be i don't know i think brian austin green's parents live across the street because i randomly saw him hanging out there on Thanksgiving. Okay. But I can't confirm. Interesting. You could maybe have a couple Megan Fox sightings because they share kids. Could get ugly.

I don't know if that's going great. Oh, got it. I don't know. If it's Megan Fox and MGK, they'll just be making out in the street the whole time. Machine Gun Kelly's going to come for Thanksgiving. I can't wait to meet Brian and be like, so how's Meg? Oh, Brian is dating my friend. Yeah.

I'm friends with her too. Yes. I haven't really talked with her since the relationship. Your time on Dance of the Stars. Yeah. I love to bring up your rumba, so I love that we got that in. Yeah. Thank you.

I love to bring up your rumba. Well, Natalie and I cannot wait till we get to bring up your rumba well natalie and i cannot wait uh till uh we get to come to your housewarming party i can't wait to have you so everyone is invited oh nick's like wait nick's looking at us like you're not really gonna make the girls not like you guys definitely can't come no nick doesn't like to see us outside of work. It's his own thing. This is a professional. Yeah. Okay.

We'll stay on Lizzo's side of the driveway. We talk a lot about boundaries on this show and work-life balance. I just want Chris Shell to have a girl power party with Lizzo and the two of them just sitting there talking about how their lives are awesome without dudes. If Lizzo invites you over for some pole dancing you you go right i will do anything she says like anything she invites me to anything she says i'm there same all right uh well let's let's get

to the episode shall we uh are you joy this season so far i am i think you know I think there's always kind of a slow start I have to be honest with these things because there's just so many people until you start to get down to you know knowing who they are so I don't always love the beginnings of the season but I feel like now we're starting to get I really love this episode

I love that you guys went deep and now I feel like we're getting somewhere so now I am after episode, enjoying it more. So would you say that when it comes to being a fan or a viewer of the show, you like the love stories more than you like the drama? I mean, I get it. I know that that's part of, you know,

same with Selling Sunset, they want the drama. But I like when you guys, you know, when you're really following two people that are hopefully falling in love forever i'm a little bit of a hopeless romantic with that so yeah i like when we get past the catty dumb drama okay well there's there's both love and drama in this episode the episode kicks off uh with the cliffhanger uh with carl yes i mean i don't know how much we really dive into carl more than what we said last week.

I mean, it's one of those things. Again, disclaimer, as we discuss this show, we are discussing, you know, especially as we get in this episode, what we see on the show. Obviously, we know what's edited. Yeah, Carl seemed like he sucks, you know? You can tell he's lying too.

Tell me how. Well, I just, when you watch his face and they're calling him out because he said, okay, it was multiple people. Then he's saying it's one person and they're calling him out. For me, you could see that he was lying. He seemed to get really frustrated.

Usually, yeah, I mean, I agree. And it's when someone's telling you something and then you ask them for examples or you ask them for more information and they can't provide it, you know they might not have the information or might be lying when they get defensive or start raising their voice and

carl seemed to to do that his story started to switch multiple people oh you know this one person needs to speak up you know it just kind of was all a little shady and uh it was pretty clear yeah that it was it was kind of always it was totally contrived you know and we'll get into it obviously we we don't know like there's always enough possibility that things are set a lot of things are set in this world that it's not aired so but when you dissect that and say well what if carl gave them he's like oh it was you you and you maybe they didn't air it but there would have been a totally different you had all these guys all saying what the fuck yeah and it was pretty clear that carl wasn't backing it up and then the whole shadow boxing thing which yeah it's always those weird moments that like you never really know when he's

doing that or you know like but it's still it was a, it was a weird, I mean, you know, I box. It's a weird moment to go into a room and just be videotaped shadow boxing. Like he was so stressed out. I mean, I will say later on Thomas admits to having had plans or had thought about being the bachelor. So I was thinking, well, maybe he was talking about him, but he never.

You see, you think Kara watches this episode and he's like see i fucking told you right um he probably will but i don't believe that um because he you know tom we'll get into it thomas's biggest crime is the lack of sincerity in his words and nothing necessarily specific. Yeah. You know, he, and Carl didn't say,

I don't know. I don't know. Some of you guys just rubbed me the wrong way. If you said that, okay, that's fine. That would have been like, I don't know.

I don't really don't have a reason. I just think some of you suck. That actually would have really been good. And honestly, Thomas, you seem like you're full of shit. I would have been fine with that. That would have seemed like a specific thing rather than a vague accusation to Katie.

Trust me, just watch out. It just felt like similar energies between Carl at the beginning of the episode and Thomas at the end because to Carl, she was like, who are the specific people? And he was like, you've had a rough night. I don't need to go there. And then Thomas, she was like who are the specific people and he was like you've had a rough night I don't need to go there and then Thomas she was like what are your red flags like she's been asking these very direct questions and both of them are like these evasive kind of slimy dudes I get what you're saying um but in fairness to Thomas Carl what Carl did was was worse in the sense that he planted a seed of doubt and he was specific in the I have seen and heard things.

Carl told Katie that he actually had some evidence but was unwilling to tell her. He wanted her to find out and just trust him. And that's so unsettling in her position. Or Thomas was just more speaking in platitudes and it and kate it caught up with him um when katie asked some some direct questions um so i guess let's just get into you know so a bunch of guys go home what did we think of of mike the virgin uh right is it no not mike i'm sorry yeah that's right yeah like the virgin

because there's a couple he's the gym guy he was the one who said something to her so yeah he in solidarity and of course the virgin comes out and says listen i'm saving my dick for sex so you should trust me when I say this guy. I'm saving. I've never heard it worded that way before. I'm just fucking around. Like the pure person is the one who's presenting the issue. To make it come across as more credible is what you're saying, I'm guessing. No one's seen my date.

Thank you for translating that, by the way. I'm such a fucker. It's always fun when the gym guys talk in gym terms. The unit. The unit is here to protect the queen. The queen. The queen. We're just a beehive of worker bees.

And we're here to protect you. What did you think about that? Did you like that? You thought it was weak? Well, I mean, I got to say, I mean, I thought it was interesting. You never see those kind of things in that moment at the rose ceremony. So I liked the shake up. I was like, you know, it's a long standing format. So I always like when things shake it up a little bit. But as if I'm putting myself in her position, you know, I don't know how that would have felt. I think it would have also felt a little

unsettling and a little like thrown off. And it made sense. She needed to take a minute, talk to the ladies. But, you know, I'm one of those people, I always, you know, I want to make my own decisions and I don't want to be told what to think or what to feel. And so my instant reaction would be maybe to butt up against that but then of course it's like okay well hold on let me think this through because maybe there's something there so where do you draw the line between you know katie is this outspoken progressive bachelorette you know she's already spoken up and then you have mike more traditional conservative mentality like we have no i did katie say she was gonna pick keep carl she said she originally she told the girl she was originally

gonna keep car okay so she did say that so i that kind of uh but there's a weird like what Like, what is Katie supposed to do when a guy says, all of us want him gone? You know, and you're not, it very much comes across as, we're telling you to send him home. Because so much of that world, America judges the lead, and even your peers judge the lead, especially when you're the bachelor it's like if you are keeping her or him then why are you keeping me there's we've seen that with previous seasons and so you're you know you're protecting the queen but you're kind of putting her on blast

a little bit to make a decision that you think is right for the house and why you know maybe you're maybe you're not giving katie the space to make her own decisions for herself and we see this every season like they let them know the whole house does not like this guy and then you wait at the end and it comes down to two and and then whether she decides to listen to the house or not this was the first time that in front of everyone we've really seen someone kind of do that. So as a viewer, I liked it. Cause like I said, it's a shake up, it's drama. But yeah, if I was actually Katie,

I wouldn't have liked that. And then the house has been wrong about people in the past. I thought they were wrong about Noah on Tayshia's season. Quite frankly, I thought the house was wrong about me on Andy's season. The house is not always right. It's a very petty

mob mentality and they smell blood, they smell weakness and the house will turn very much so. It's always interesting when that happens of who's in the right and

who's in the wrong. Carl just seems like he sucks. Yeah. Can I ask you a question? Can I ask you, do you guys think that because Katie was the person in the house that was the one that was kind of like leading the charge on her season, she looks at it differently when a bunch of people come to her to tell her that someone's a cancer in the house or somebody's not doing something or they're for the right reasons because she was that person that was doing it before. Do you think she has a different viewpoint on it? Interesting perspective. She was a bit of a little tattletale herself. She was the whistleblower in her season. Whistleblower. Interesting perspective. Well, yeah. Taking care of your mental health, people. It's as important, if not more important, than the other ways you take care of yourself,

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like the house was going one way katie really was the one that kind of grounded and and brought levity over to the other side not levity but, but I just feel like she kind of balanced it out and kind of helped us see a different point of view to it. So it is interesting you bring that up because I feel like if anyone can understand that there are two sides to it, it would be Katie. So I feel like, I don't know, it probably wasn't the best tactic to kind of, like you said,

put her on blast when you're putting yourself in her position. Yeah. And it's interesting. I think, you know, she had the conversation with Carl that went the way it did with Carl saying, you know, this shit is happening, but I can't tell you. And my guess is that probably played a role, too, because I don't think that conversation made sense to Katie. And then she's. So it kind of made sense. Now she hears these things also about Carl. It had been a very different story had she had a conversation with Carl

and it went great and he was forthcoming and honest and gave her specific examples. And then she might have, Katie might have been like, I don't know, like everything Carl said to me, like i don't know like everything carl said to me like i don't seem to make sense so maybe you guys just have a problem with what he said but since carl didn't say anything other than i agreed blah blah blah blah that's probably yeah i think she could then once sometimes all we need to know is like to be a little more on high alert and then we'll pick up more than we would have.

So I think maybe that kind of put her tentacles up. Yeah. And I agree. I think he flunked the test when I was watching him, you know, speak about it. I was like, oh, this guy is full of shit. Oh, am I allowed to say that? Sorry. Fuck shit.

Balls. There you go. Okay. Let's get out of the way. So we move into next week, week three, I guess. And yours truly shows up and hosts a date to kick off the week. It was interesting. The first time I met with Katie, a lot of things are filmed and not showed.

So I talked to Katie. She had mentioned that Blake had showed up. So she had known. I don't know if she – she must have had some conversation with him i or maybe not it's unclear but she kind of what do you think i know you did that with caitlin season and that's all i knew about that information uh i got the sense that she she didn't say but i got the sense that she wasn't disappointed that blake there. But obviously, it's a very nervous situation to be in, knowing that I know this is going to piss off the house.

So that was the first time I talked to Katie. And then Katie didn't know much about the date that was planned. That clip where you heard me say, you're just going to have to trust me, was like, hey, that's kind of what I said. So I'm not gonna tell you what we're doing. Just trust me, just go with it. And the whole focus of the date was,

every season, these guys or women, whoever, depending on the season, will show up and everyone's like, I know what I wanna talk about. I know I'm going to share this about me and I'm gonna share that about me. And I want her to know I I'm good at this or this is what I like. And then, you know, if I have a sad story, you, you know, I'm going to tell that because it's going to endear me to Katie or America. And that's great. And I'm sure we, and we will continue to see that we saw that this episode but i was more curious about

like what are the red flags like what do they bring to the table in relationships from the past that they might not be so proud of in that world it was very clear that um you know you just don't have a lot of time those conversations you don't have those conversations can you do this from now on for every date i ever go on? I need you to do that. That was so brilliant. I absolutely loved it. Well, and then the producer's really gracious about like, you know, sitting with me and finding out.

So when they came in, and again, you don't really get to see a lot of it. So the guys come in and I'm just sitting there in this room and it was really beautifully set up by the show. And I felt bad because they were like, oh, hey, and like a lot of them recognized me and I wanted it to be nice. But I was also like a kind of straight face. But I kind of cracked a smile

and I'm like, you saw me shake their hand. But then immediately I was just like, I chilled. I looked at them. And there's nothing that works better in that world than like silence or awkward pauses. You were the Oprah of the episode. That was the Oprah of the episode, yes. Thank you.

Oprah, if you're listening, no disrespect. You're amazing. And so I basically put the fear of God on them and essentially I just reminded them of the world that they were in. And this is a world where you have some, I know that you guys have things that you're not proud of because you're human you've been in relationships that we've all been there

some fears i do get dm'd all the time from girlfriends and exes of contestants right i i mentioned that to them that i often hear stories. And then I also just said like, listen, there's a list of examples of guys and women who've been on the show who've had their dirty laundry aired by people. It always, it always comes out. So if there's something that's going to come out about you, Katie should hear it from your words and not mine. And that was, you know,

I love thinking that you had like dms printed out just as like uh like acting like you had it in case they didn't say i just from i just let them know that um it's better to hear it from you than anyone else and and the whole purpose of the date wasn't really like say your shit so katie can send any of you home it was like listen like katie doesn't want to fall in love with any i mean i want to i didn't want to speak for katie no one wants to fall in love with anyone who can't acknowledge things that they've gotten wrong in the past and it's easy to be like oh i had my heart broken and this is what i learned but like how did you what did you do wrong how did you do someone dirty you know where were you like irresponsible

like you know in my list like little things like ghosting or just leading someone on, et cetera, et cetera. It shows a lot of growth. Yes. And that was the focus. But the truth is we didn't really know what was going to be said. You know, like we didn't know what guys would own up to what or where the tone.

And so we, I kind of gave him the speech. They guys kind of all took some time to think about it. Right. You know, when you watch it, it goes right into the date. We took probably like a 45 minute break and, you know, they do their ITMs and like, Oh, what's it going to be like? And, and so we sat back down and kicked off. It actually kicked off with, with court Courtney.

He was actually the first one to speak. They didn't air the air and i because at first when we were talking i thought it was going like we thought the guys were just going to be like yeah i've been this shitty guy i've done this and courtney let it off by he told this story where essentially him and his buddies uh signed up for he didn't say specifically but it sounded like he signed it up for an only fans of a girl he his girlfriend was friends with now we get the real scoop and and so he signed up him and his buddies or he did and quite like again i i really gave him a lot of credit for like it's an

embarrassing story it's a you know potentially relatable story you know like i you know there's a lot of guys who have like done shit like that or have gone to Mexico and got a massage and admitted to a happy ending, you know, like guys have done this shit. Right. And so I gave him a lot of credit for, and I thought that was going to be the tone, right? He was just like, this happened. It was embarrassing. I broke her trust, et cetera, et cetera. And then the next guy to go was Aaron. her trust, et cetera, et cetera. And then the next guy to go was Aaron. And you didn't really get to hear Aaron's conversation. And it was a handful of Aaron and a handful of the other guys kind of basically told a long winded version story while trying to muster up some tears. You get, I was just like, Thomas, I don't know if you have it in you to cry, but good try.

And it was just more like, so at first the idea of the date was kind of i was going to ask nick them so to speak you know i have the podcast ask a lot of fob questions but for the sake of time because i you know it was going to be like guys want to start talking and i was going to try to dig deeper but it was kind of like hey we don't like just let them tell their story i think and after the download it seemed like enough of the guys were going to be like, you know what, I want to share. And they really showed up. Thomas, in the most long-winded way, said he was a fuckboy.

It was just like, I went out with this girl and I wasn't awesome and I did this stuff. I was like, just say you're a fuck boy and let's move on um you know i know he mentioned his dad but his story had very little like he brought up his dad and this thing happened and the whole other thing was wait so because you're and i if i i really i really wish for thomas's and some of the other conversations i would have the space to like dig deeper because i would have been like just just say it man you because did it sound like he grew from it or he knew that's what he it doesn't sound like he had that you know self it was very long-winded and he was choked up and you and it

was a vulnerable i mean i'm teasing him but uh he he just sounded like he did a couple girls dirty and and and by dirty probably led them on and said i liked you but ghost you know it was just a lot of vagueness without him really saying anything he was trying his best to to show up and the handful of guys kind of kind of did that um and then we got to and then it's so connor b and hunter were sitting to my direct right and i could tell right when i was giving the speech that they were like i mean connor b was essentially tearing up the whole time and he was he was just sitting there like this while all the guys were talking well and he started really crying when katie was talking

too i don't know if it was edited together differently but even when she was the last one yeah but he was crying then for sure yeah that wasn't a very we'll get to that but leading up to this connor the whole time i'm just thinking bro why'd you wear that shirt like why why he shows up in this like tucked in into his jeans blouse i don't and that was like i wish we could it's a blouse and it was the buttons it was like okay you're gonna wear that shirt but you're gonna leave that many like i could so close to the nipples he didn't know what he was getting into and i'm just like oh the shirt oh the shirt okay i'm gonna have to refresh my memory on the shirt how did i miss the shirt it was a bit of a blouse we'll bring it up but uh hunter and connor b really really delivered and i do give them a lot of credit just because they they were very honest about their story did you what did

you think about connor b and hunter's stories i thought Hunter was kind of the quintessential how that can go perfectly right. Because it's like, we're all human. We've all done things like that. But he showed the kind of knowledge about himself and the growth that's like, you can admit some of the worst things, but if you show how that's gotten to where you are now,

which is in a better place i don't think there can there's you know a lot of judgment if someone's coming from that place like you could tell someone you've done some really terrible things if that's the learning journey that you went on to get to where you are now so i was really impressed with hunter i thought that was honestly like exactly what that kind of a thing was set up for. Yeah. And I agree. And like, cause a Hunter story was, this is what I did. And this is why I cherish this so much more going forward. And you're right.

And I, and I think they probably chose to lead with Hunter story because it really set the tone of the date. And that is we make, we make mistakes. Yeah. But now I didn't, I didn't talk to Katie afterwards and i didn't get her opinion on a

hunter story but like to me listening to hunter was well this is a guy i feel like i can trust he's not perfect he's not incapable of making mistakes but i can trust him because a he told me a story but i know that he can recognize mistakes i know that he can own up to things he he did and and that's for me in any relationship a very like that me that me that brings me closer to people when people tell me stuff like that and for people like if I was listening to podcasts I sometimes I in the beginning I get the mom except Hunter's the one that was married he has two kids yes they got divorced yeah yeah and then just a monster arm sleeve tattoo which uh i think caught people off guard uh connor b the other person who really opened up

you know told another very vulnerable story again about you know substance abuse and drinking and and how um you know i think a very relatable story for a guy in his like mid-20s who's you know working out working and being a socialite and and and and a lifestyle kind of caught up with with him which i thought was very honest and vulnerable and i think very scary to say i mean he was truly you could tell the whole time he was i was like i don't know what connor's gonna say but fuck it's gonna be something because he was just just like and he was a mess the whole fucking time and it was just something uh but i do i do applaud him and i and i i didn't i i was really impressed with his honesty and just was like man that's fucking sure uh which brings us to thomas

oh they got the shirt i just want to see this because how did i yeah it's a blouse he bought it at a thrift store for sure in the women's section possibly in the women's section and there's nothing wrong with that nothing Nothing wrong with that. But it stuck out on this date. Yes. It's not this thing you want to bring attention to yourself and this type of vulnerability because you want people listening to your words not being like, what an interesting choice for fashion. It's a tough shirt to cry in.

Maybe a great shirt to flirt in, but to soften. It's a tough shirt to cry in. But let's talk about thomas so thomas obviously is the focal point of this episode and this is where thomas's story changes a little bit and it's always interesting and i'm really curious kind of what people think because this is a classic example of thomas owned to owned up to like hey i thought about being the bachelor i come with red flags i personally had no problem with the words that thomas said and admitted to in his confessional like yeah i knew it was like yeah this guy's probably i kind of thought about where it might

go after i leave but i personally had no problem with it. It was how he said it. So when Thomas first started talking, he just, he came in and I've said this, he kind of reminded me of Josh, whatever. He speaks in platitudes. Every time he talks to Katie, it's these very just deep and like they sound really nice,

but yet we've never seen any real, like we haven't seen any real conversations. There's no real time together with Katie. So it's like, first of all, why are you saying this? Yeah. It doesn't make much sense.

You know, Katie spoke, talks about this unspoken connection she has with you. It's your face and that's fine, but it's kind of like, so right away I got that vibe from Thomas. So then when he's talking, I just was just like, you just sound like a guy.

Clearly, you're good looking. You're tall. And Thomas, to me, when I noticed him, you could just tell who's being real and authentic and at the risk of being judged versus Thomas was a guy who was so used to most of his life saying things that sound nice. And 99% of the people he talks to just bite hook lay and sinker right agreed i was wondering how much of that was editing and because he didn't give us any specifics at all even when she asked went back in a second time what are the red flags

i wanted to hear what they were we never got them so i was curious if that never came out or if they edited them that was pretty much how it came across it was really funny as tom thomas started off by saying he's like he's like nick he dressed me first and he was like nick and i'm like what and he's like you know i never really watched this show before but i watched your season of the bachelorette with andy because i made i referenced andy when i was like giving them the speech about like how i came in and like i was i was unsure about this experience and i didn't know andy and etc etc he's like and i just thought you were great blah blah and i'm like bro no one thought i was great on andy's season like he's like you did not actually watch

i mean come on man, what the fuck? That was a tough season for you, Nick. He was trying to like really kiss, you know, and that was the thing. It was just like, bro, you're trying to like, this is not working with me. You're being a politician. You're saying the right things.

It was just like he, I don't know. Like, it was just like, you're trying to do this to the wrong guy. Like, I like. You have a good BS detector. Yeah, like, and it was funny because so but what thomas said i had no problem with it it was just i don't know when i left i just said to katie uh advice it was just like pay attention ask people the right questions pay attention to their answers and ask follow-up questions um and i didn't tell her

specifically thomas i kind of i might have i hinted i was you know and i wish you and i was just like just listen to people's answers uh i might have said something like thomas oh he's a really good looking guy he's nice he's charming but and it was more like the charming people the people you have are usually drawn to ask very specific questions yes now katie is good at questions she's a smart person i'm not sure if you took my advice literally and that's how we got the fob questions for thomas but um it was interesting to see it play out but before we move on from this date. I mean, obviously Katie had a very personal story to share. It seemed like it came back in that it was a surprise to everyone. That date was about the guys. So there was no expectation that Katie was going to share anything.

Oh, she didn't tell you before anything? No, I don't even like, I mean, she even mentioned and it aired this way she said i because i it startled me she's like i haven't even said this to my mom you know so uh and then she obviously shared that story and um yeah i mean what did you think of that i mean obviously as a woman as a woman you know something we've talked about this podcast something i've talked like i have a lot of women friends I've have had girlfriends and the sad reality is is that stories like these are more common than I think we'd like to admit and realize and for Katie to give her personal story this space on a national platform obviously is powerful and and is there anything you want to add? Yeah, I mean, I feel like, you know,

the way we met Katie and that, you know, of course she was the one that came out of the limo with the dildo and she, you know, was very sex positive. I think this is such a beautiful thing to now see the journey that she's come, you know, gone on to get to the place that she's at to be positive about it and to release the shame that she obviously had at one point. It really helps you see her as a full-fledged

human being and not the, you know, sometimes, you know, oh, here's a person that got out of a limo this way. I think it's such a complicated story and a very common one where as women, we try to, you know, take on the guilt of something that's happened because the stupidest things, what was I wearing? How much have they had to drink? You know, these kind of things or the complication of afterwards, like having that relationship after can really, you know, just, I feel like so many people will watch this and relate to it.

And it brings a light to something that's a very complicated issue to feel any kind of empowerment on except for shame. So the fact that Katie was able to do that, I think will absolutely help so many other people that are like, no, this is what that is. That's not okay. And be able to put themselves in positions

where if it's happening in the moment, they know, you know, that these are the kind of things that's like before your brain plays tricks on you. It's like, okay, well, maybe that's okay because of this, or maybe it's my fault because of this. I really have to give her so much credit that she was able to tell that story. You know, there's been a longstanding judgment that comes with these kind of stories where it's like you had a relationship with someone after, of course people wanna jump to.

Like what does that mean? Yeah, and really kind of put the onus on the woman if they were drinking or what they were wearing and just all these different things. I just really thought it was amazingly brave of her to share that. And I thought as I was watching it, I was blown away with her going into the detail that she did and knowing in that moment how many people that would help.

Yeah, I agree with all of it. It was also just interesting too. I mean, this was a room. It was Katie in a room full of men. Right. And so she is having this discussion and showing this vulnerability. Granted men she's connecting with, but a room full of men nonetheless. And it's always interesting, these discussions, because it seems like, you know, women have been having these conversations with each other and other women about what's happened

to them. And we talk a lot about on this podcast in terms of, you know, I've always been grateful for the relationships I've had with the women in my life and their willingness to share these stories. And I think men need to do a better job of asking their women in their lives questions, whether it's platonic friends, girls, women they're dating. And again, it was very brave of Katie to share this story with these guys because I hope, and again, who knows where these conversations went after that I hope there were a lot of follow-up questions with these guys in terms of just learning about her experiences with men even at the risk of you know hey not all my experiences with men have been

positive or great and and what does that mean and how can I be a different version and and what can I do you know better obviously consent it, consent, you need to have it. And that's clear. But there's still, as you kind of talk about nuances of how women have might been treated in dating situations that made them feel uncomfortable or unsafe and how guys can do a better job of having those discussions with the women in their lives. I agree. She made it relatable. And then she also kind of educated them in a way about trying to understand of having those discussions with the women in their lives. I agree. She made it relatable, and then she also kind of educated them in a way

about trying to understand what consent is. And the power that she's able to give, that now she has done so much work and can be so sex positive, but she's telling people that she was very opposite of that at one point in her life, I thought, well, it also gives so much hope to people that might be in that place now yeah and i think yeah because like the world is sex negative

i think sometimes there's this thought with people who are sex positive that like oh you got lucky and sure you might have had great circumstances but i think the way katie showed that your attitude towards sex is not fixed it's something you can cultivate and grow and move through the intense pain and still come out the other side in a positive light was such a cool way of painting it as a transformation as opposed to something she just happened to have a really good relationship with all along. Yeah. And also sex positive is also misunderstood as being promiscuous all of a sudden. Where I feel like sex positive is uh you overall have a positive outlook on what sex

can bring to a relationship and the willingness to talk about it good or bad in their experiences and it just doesn't mean you like to fuck you know you could say mike is sex positive because the way he talked about sex when he was bringing it up with katie and his decision to wait yeah yeah exactly people will say sex positive like oh she's sex, you know. And so I like that. Again, yeah, Katie said, yeah, I brought the vibrator. But sex positive sometimes means just open dialogue. I think that's a good distinction. Because I think that is a little muddied, you know,

between what people think that means. Love my parents. No disrespect to them. But I didn't grow up in a sex positive house. It was, don't do it. That's not sex positive. It was just, do you want to burn in hell or not you know like it's really your call so you know go forth into the world and and choose you know an adventure adventure um so yeah that uh that wrapped up my day i question for you we

talked about this before vanity wise when you're on reality TV and you're on a show that you don't really know what's going to air and you always want to come across looking great, do you care more about how you look physically or how you look in character? Let me fix my skirt. I found myself being like, I just want to know I looked hot rather than... Is that okay to admit? Yeah, I think it's a mix are you just like did i did i look good how's my outfit or do i look like i made sense in that did i win that fight i think it's a mix you know because there are times where it's like you don't you definitely don't want your looks to be distracting like you guys have brought up the blouse at this point it

was obviously a distracting choice so you definitely don't want to do that but then of course it's great if it goes all the way to the other side and you're like oh i look good she like rocked the shit out of that dress or like chris shell's like whatever is like goes with my wine and staring out at the sunset and like watching these dramatic shots like your your dress at christine's wedding you're like strutting it down yeah like you know like you're in a scene you're just like i don't know like chrishell kind of seemed like a bitch in that scene but damn she rocked that dress you know as a as opposed to like wow i definitely team chrishell but like what the fuck was she wearing right i think this is where we all tell nick he looked really hot on the episode listen again i still have ptsd from my haircut in andy. And... As you should.

It was of the moment. I won't lie to you. No? Okay. Well... Thank you for being kind. I didn't mind it. Yeah, it's fine. I'm here. I've made it.

It's all about... The flannel worked. The jeans worked. The shirt worked. It all was perfect when you were sitting and standing. It was magnificent. What a dream.

So we get in. Obviously, the date continues into the cocktail party. I'm gone. And now these guys are digesting what Thomas had said. And again, it's really interesting because I bet, you know, we're recording this before we see Twitter's reaction, but I'm guessing, you know, combination of Thomas being hot and people being like, I just like hot people and whatever you say, I'm just going to know, combination of Thomas being hot and people being like, I just like hot people

and whatever you say, I'm just going to agree with the hot guy. And quite honestly, what he said is there's nothing like, of course, every guy there is guilty of wondering if they could be the bachelor, whether they think they're going to or not, right? Every single one, every,

the fact that he admitted to going on a date the week before, I didn't have a problem with that. Like half the guys there fucking did that. And in fairness to those guys, they don't know they're going on the show the show always keeps them kind of like on deck so to speak some guys know early on i found out i was going onto the show like literally maybe a week before i flew out or less than right it was like oh we don't know we don't know we still got to get some stuff. So I'm just living my life, you know? And it's like, you definitely know you're going on a TV

show. So this idea, I don't think Thomas did anything wrong there personally. And I bet a lot of people agree with him. And I fucking love the conversation Katie had with him. It was such a great, I totally want to take credit for giving her that advice, but I'm sure she would have done it on her own because she came in prepared to talk to Thomas about, hey, you mentioned red flags. Because I remember when Thomas was saying that, I was like, yeah, of course I have red flags, but you didn't say any red flags. So I was kind of rolling my eyes

when he was giving that speech. And props to Katie for saying, all right, you mentioned some red flags. What a great time to talk about what specifically you mentioned. And this motherfucker just completely dismissed the question. He got nothing.

And he said, like, I want to come in. And that's Thomas's problem. He comes in, and I get it. I thought about what I wanted to say to Andy every time I went to talk to her. I had things I wanted to talk about, but I didn't talk at her. Right. I didn't talk to her.

I talked with her. Right. I came in trying to have a conversation, things I wanted to get out of the conversation. But if Andy asked me a question, I put out what I wanted to talk about on pause and answered her question. And Thomas is always coming in with these like, what's the difference between love and hate? They're so similar. Yeah, we get it, yeah.

Thanks for listening to my podcast. You know, like, and he completed this Mr. Question. And he's always talking at Katie. He's always talking to Katie. He's not talking with Katie. And he showed this by completely dismissing your questions. Now. Twice. Twice. Now, now in fairness who knows we

maybe there's always a possibility that he answered katie's questions i thought and it wasn't aired i just don't buy it based on what i saw there this was a guy who seemed incapable because i don't really ever think he thought about it i I think he, I think he's a guy who's used to saying, he knows what the right answer is. I've made my mistakes and, and people were responding to him by saying, that's all I wanted to hear. God,

cause I honestly thought you might be perfect. So you saying you're not perfect. That's all I needed to hear. And Katie's like, great, tell me more. And he was unable to answer that question. And to me,

that's all I really, that was his biggest crime. And that's where he really showed himself. What do you think? And did you have a problem? And then the interactions with the guys, they kind of lay into him. But again, to me, that was more of whatever you really showed yourself with Katie. Yeah, I think that, you know, like you said, you said of course initially I was trying to give the benefit of the doubt because you never know with editing maybe he did answer it but everything

else all the other clues in the in the episode and exactly you were there they all led to you know pointing in one direction which was this guy you know like you said I thought it was very smart you were saying he's good looking guy he's gotten away with these kind of answers and you know, like you said, I thought it was very smart. You were saying he's good looking guy. He's gotten away with these kind of answers. And, you know, there are going to be a lot of girls. That's what they want to hear. They, you know, they'll not get down with the way that Katie, you know, you could tell she was digging. She wanted to know the answers and she wasn't afraid to hear the truth. She wanted to hear it. And I don't think he was capable. He didn't show a lot of, you know, some of the men in that circle really showed reflection and, you know, a growth and a journey

and I just felt like he's not there. He's still a fuck boy. That's my takeaway. But didn't she kind of fall for it at the end of the day at the end? Because when he came back the second time, he continued with these prepared, I thought about what i wanted to say and she she bought it and started making out with him so she did kind of at the end of the

day be like that's right you're pretty and you think this is amazing and we have a connection you didn't answer any questions but let's have a kiss yeah so far it seems unclear what katie thinks of his her response she she is still smitten by him on some level and it's interesting i wonder because she clearly has a connection with greg right she seems to like connor right so she had michael well yeah this but this happened yeah yeah now now michael so she said she's got three solid connections in addition to thomas right and i wondered to myself would katie even ask those questions if she didn't have those other connections what if thomas was her front runner because again i remember being the bachelor and like it looks do matter you know like you

it does like you want to be physically attracted to the person you fall in love with with Vanessa I remember just being so locked in on her and the connections I had with Rachel and Raven while great just it wasn't the same as Vanessa and it was a real like I remember kind of not wanting to know sometimes, you know, you're just afraid to like, I was just like, you know what? I don't want to ruin. It's very easy to lie to yourself in that world. And so I wonder. And in real life.

Yes. In real life. Thank you. I think the connection she has with Greg and Connor and some of these other guys gives her a little bit more strength to be like, I really like Thomas. He's really hot, but like, I'm still,

you know, she has something to compare it to either way. She's, she still seems to be falling for it a little bit. And, and, and maybe it's because she's just wants to keep Thomas around long enough to, you know, shag. I mean, he's good.

I don't know. I feel like he's good at what he does. In my opinion, that won't last that long. I don't know. Any spoilers? Haven't read anything through. It's coming to a head. I feel like this is not going to.

Those kind of answers only get you so far. With a girl like Katie, she's smart. What do you think about Aaron? Oh, I think he's so hot i love to i'm sorry so maybe i i know he likes okay so now maybe i'm falling for it but um i know he can be a little aggressive with his opinions on the guys that's a bit of a tattletale yes why am i so attracted because he looks like he's trying to play world police i feel like i feel like he's trying to play like world police when he's not asked to it's true fine uh chris shell just like wants like go play baseball with him be like my man like let's go i mean he he he has a very teddy bear like quality and the fact that he's a big good looking fellow who

he might not he i think what you see is what you get with aaron which is a good thing what you see is what is that i i is aaron in paradise do i think I think he might be in paradise can we get Chris shella flight can we send her down it's gotten steamy in here oh my god you guys he's 26 please but I just when I watched it I was yeah are you allowed to date a 26 year old well anyway um please give your opinion it seems very different than mine. So let's hear yours, Nick. Again, I don't know him.

He is a good TV. He's a bit of a telltale. He had a problem with Cody. He jumped on the Carl bandwagon. He's leading the Thomas crusade. You know, like he's a bit of a whiner. Yep. And to me, if nothing else, that shows a lack of confidence.

Okay, I'm going to start listening to what Aaron actually says from now on. I'm sure he's a nice guy. He seemed like a nice, I mean honestly they all seem the nine i met all seemed like nice guys and yeah i was critical of thomas but yeah you know it just might be no one's really held him accountable in terms of like the words he he says and like it's easy to fall trap of like saying the right things in that world also brendan was on the date very just a very bro-y guy not memorable um and i don't think he got any air time on that on that date did they leave anything out that was notable notable because some of the guys you know we didn't get

to hear what well that's the thing a lot of all the guys you didn't really specifically get to hear all in the most long-winded way while trying to muster up some tears said they were fuckboys. Ah, okay. I mean, really. It was just like, you know, I dated a girl and then I just wasn't great.

You know, like it was a lot of that. Maybe they're very smart they know for editing purposes that's never gonna make the show i don't i think they were just too afraid of and you know maybe in fairness to them they didn't have a specific memory maybe they just knew it's just like yeah probably let her on i don't know you know and um so that was kind of probably why the only specific thing that didn't make air was courtney's only fans admission which again i i had no problem with it and in the sense that like yeah not great should anything to do in a relationship but you owned it you did he didn't have to say that um i thought i thought he was

very honest and vulnerable and uh i i wasn't going to criticize anyone for being honest and that was the point of of the date and it wasn't to like start pointing fingers how many of these guys you think are going to have an only fans after this season that's the question that is a great question when when it's already get it's getting more and more mainstream and and and chrishell's just hoping for aaron she's like hey onlyfans.com slash aaron listen i just like the top it's like yeah it's like the top 16 and then like you know your sex but it gets to six yeah is there is 10 do you have a number of what like i mean i've wondered to myself do i have a number what number would i have to be guaranteed to create an only thing oh 16 million i don't have

a i wouldn't just because i there's no amount of money well because people pay olympic village instagram is is crazy like i'm living a life where I'm like, I cannot believe something I genuinely love, they want to pay me so much money to do. So I feel like that would be way better than what you're talking about. But the people that are comfortable doing it, that have, you know, then do it.

I'll subscribe if I. With $200 million, Chrishell, would you do it? Is there a number? You guys, I have money, so no. I don't know if you know this, but I'm very successful. I love you so much for that answer. You're the best. Same.

Good going, girl. Good going. Nick, you'd say no to 200 million too i would figure out another way to earn 200 million nice well played i on the other hand would accept that too i was just about to say i i i don't think there's anything wrong with it i i do think when it comes to the OnlyFan conversation, as I would tell, if someone said to me, it's like, hey, you give advice.

So I'm just going to ask you this random fucking question about doing an OnlyFans. I'd be like, listen, do what you want. Obviously, no one can tell you how you should or shouldn't make money. And anyone who wants to judge you for how you make money, well, that's on them. But like in a world where,

while money doesn't buy you happiness, it certainly can solve a lot of problems. Do what you have to do. Just remember that things are written in ink. How you feel about things now will be different how you feel about them in the future. And people often confuse judgment and consequence.

Yeah. So. And the internet is, I used to be an art model. So I think that that goes into my answer. Like we, in college, I was like, oh, they'll pay me $10 an hour. So I did scantily clad like art modeling back in the day in college. Yeah, but no one has. No, but it did make me

i decided like at first it could be an empowering thing and then i decided i was uncomfortable so that's why i know like it's whatever makes you comfortable and whatever it doesn't the second i i felt uncomfortable i never did it again so uh but yeah it'd be interesting i i suspect that at some point there will be i know there are, I know one guy who is on it. I don't want to really give him any more attention than he wants, but I suspect you will, there will be more OnlyFans people. Yeah, well, there was a while back, there was the one who had done like a nude spread in,

I don't know, in Playboy or a comparable magazine and so it is a question it was a contestant on the bachelorette or on the bachelor rather so it was like a woman who had posed nude in a magazine and it does bring the question of like in the modern age how do we view only fans because I do think with the on what Courtney was saying like there's more of a conversation about that in terms of like in different relationships like some people might find it to be a violation if you watch porn other people will be like no you're totally allowed to do that and so it is kind of an interesting thing well his story was specific to his girlfriend knew the girl yeah that sounds messed up yeah it was like really bro um so I think that was the shady

part and props to him to owning it but I suspect that there will be more bachelor alumni and only fan in the next couple years because and it won't be it nowadays with the playbook that exists there's an expectation of how much money they might be able to make and most of them leave disappointed yeah and i wonder if they'll turn to only fans wow we shall see let's get to our widower michael yes um i was shocked i mean it was always interesting because now that i were watching it sometimes you kind of tune in tune out and you're paying attention and i went in when he was talking to the the at the gym michael we're seeing this kind of like in the moment man talk and then all of a sudden he just drops that his wife died and i was like wait what his wife huh and i had to rewind it because i was just like why why was he

why is he talking about it here why is he like talking about the gym and then i after watching the whole episode really loved that the producers did it that way because I enjoyed watching the date more and enjoyed watching Michael more knowing that story and then wondering how he was going to tell Katie. And there were so much more to tell Katie that I'm glad that we got a little bit of preview of what happened and then how it all played out and i'm wondering if if you liked that or or would do you wish he you would have just found out on all on the date no i also like that but i think this is the the quintessential example of not judging a book by its cover because i'll be the first to admit i you know i didn't really see that kind of depth with michael i didn't he probably would have not hit my radar and this is the kind of like he after knowing that you don't ever know someone's story and it showed such a depth to him and i think it

was just i mean my perception of him completely changed completely changed and yeah he he's a little quirky you you would expect to see him in like an 80s high school rom-com kind of like the he just kind of has that vibe you know he seems nice unproblematic but just you know but oh my god yeah it totally changed my perspective and then when he's like did you tear up i i i did a little bit i did i mean i feel like it you know anytime i mean cancer's touched my family a lot so it's hard for me to hear someone tell that story and and it was also really beautiful to um you know to watch katie's you you know, we knew what was coming. And so, you know, it was hard to watch Katie. She was trying not to cry. So it's hard sometimes when you're watching someone try not to cry. So yeah, I did. And it was a really beautiful touching moment. And obviously, those are the kind of things that you build real connections off of. And I just felt like we got to watch it so beautifully.

You know, sometimes a lot of this stuff comes across a little, you know, I don't know, edited or a little contrived. You know, these are the moments like that I like when the drama goes away and like you get these types of things like this is what I watch it for when we start to pare it down and like this kind of stuff starts to evolve that's my favorite part of the show and that was why I felt like this episode we got deep with you guys in the circle then we got to learn about Michael and this incredible story and what he's gone through um which is so heartbreaking but he turned it around and i thought it was so beautiful how he you know said that with katie because i think it could be intimidating it could be kind of one of those things that's scary i didn't think about that and i'm wondering

as a as a woman i guess the guys could answer the same question if the role was reversed would would you find that maybe even slightly intimidating? If you're not secure with yourself, I think you would. And I think that Katie is obviously secure with herself and she, and he also was smart about what he said. You know, he made sure to say, "'She will always be there in my life "'and somebody that I will love forever. "'Our love will be unique.'

And the fact that you can fall in love twice, like that was, it was just so perfect what he said and and not the way that we say how thomas gave these like glossy perfect dancers it was like a genuine thought process that you knew he put a lot of time into you know thinking this through and it was just really beautiful yeah and it kind of speaks to why people need to stop saying there's a one and only because they're you know a i don't believe that and b this lends to the fact that he because there's not and i'm just here to say there's not uh he he can love his his his wife unconditionally and hold that love in his heart for her and still love someone else because you don't even have to compete.

I don't know why people feel the need to compete, and yet we often do when we are in a relationship and you start saying I love you to each other and you're immediately like, well, is it better than when you said I love you to your other ex? We have a tendency of doing that. you said i love you to your other ex or your you know we have a tendency of doing that um so it was kind of an interesting conversation uh between uh michael and katie and i didn't even think about that but yeah it was a really beautiful date another picnic outside in the middle of no

fucking nowhere i mean it's really i mean just to prep like it's a reminder they're in a hotel that's in the middle of fucking nowhere. So there are going to be in New Mexico. There's going to be a lot more picnics. Yeah. With the same background. But she did flip that dune buggy. That was kind of crazy.

Yeah. Yeah. I'm sure there'll probably be more RVs or dune buggies and horseback rides. But the next season, we're done with it. So we'll get, hopefully with Michelle, we'll get some traveling. Did they announce that at all? Well, I would just think

because now they've lifted all the restrictions. So I would hope that if they haven't filmed it yet, so I would think. I wouldn't be surprised if they have one more quarantine. No, I can't. I do. I can't do it. Because it comes down, you know, know you have to it's the travel who

knows i mean my guess is they would require everyone to have be vaccinated of course yeah um it just yeah i don't know it's a good question i i don't i haven't heard anything um but my guess is is that they probably already committed because they have to plan these things in advance so my guess is there'll be one more quarantine season and then and then things will be back i hope you're wrong which is weird because bachelor paradise essentially is a quarantine season if you think about it right yeah that was created in that one hotel like the whole time well i mean there's dates in town, but, um, yeah,

no, it essentially is. And so, but yeah, people loved watching the bachelor or bachelorette for, it was like a travel show. It was like, Hey,

we're in England or we're in wherever Asia. It was always kind of cool to like, you see, you know, I, I, I distinctly remember, you know,

before I was ever on the show, you know, want like someone watching the show you know like someone watching The Bachelor and me like watching in the background be like you're in fucking South Africa that's so cool like I just remember being like I don't know about this show but that's cool you know and I definitely think

I hope the show gets back to that just because of those of those moments I think we all do and you think about how travel can like how when you go on your first trip with your partner how that's a real turning point in a relationship and so when you are trying to get to know someone on such an intense level over such a short period of time travel can really add to that because you're having new experiences together i totally agree um josh who the hell is j Josh I'm looking at this pit

Josh has the best facial expressions of anybody in the entire show Chrissy I was just gonna say the same thing like he I live for like the b-roll of him like listening to Thomas and like his eyebrows and his eyes he's like who the fuck is this dude the eyebrows the eye rolls the whole thing he's the best facial expressions

when the cocktail party got cut short and she was like, we're going straight into the Rosemary, like his face was the funniest. He was like, are you joking? He's the IT consultant for people. Because I feel like you're going to be listening and I wouldn't. I'm so bad at memorizing who's who. But we have a cheat sheet in front of us.

He's from Miami, Florida. What do we think of Trey?py chirpy guy he's a hummer he like likes to hum like he's he he i don't even know like he's just he just likes to jump on the bandwagon he's just like a i don't know he'll he'll be there for a couple weeks just because of his humming what do you think you're a fan? I'm not big on humming. I don't. But you know, he's always chirping. Yeah.

He didn't make a big impression either way. He seems nice enough, but I didn't really. Indifference is probably not a great thing at this point. What do we think of Katie's makeouts? i can't tell is it connor b or is it katie because like connor b you know he might be wearing you know thrift store shirts buttoned down to his belly button but when that guy makes out he is going for it. Yeah. Like every time. But also, Katie has some aggressive makeouts across the board. So maybe Katie's just into some hard making out.

Do we like it? Do we dislike it? We're not shaming. It's just a preference thing. It always makes me uncomfortable. I don't know. Like maybe because I've worked in soaps and there's like a, you know, you have to learn the way that looks good to kiss on camera

and it's not necessarily the way you would kiss in real life. How do you look good kissing on camera? You have to, you know, on purpose, you do need to go softer and like do, so it's interesting, maybe that's why my brain, when I watch this, it makes me a little uncomfortable. I've been uncomfortable when I watched, you know, well, I think Matt had that thing with the eyes I think there was like that thing but I feel like um you know it just I don't know um it it just seems like it makes me pull back a

little because in soaps you you want it to to look like a lot yeah you want to make it sensual but really and you do things when you're really kissing that might not look pretty with your lips. But if I'm kissing on camera, I do it a little, I would do it differently. So maybe that's why, I'm probably not the best person to ask. I feel like we could do a whole episode

of Chrishell critiquing bachelor makeouts. I'm really curious of what, how, like. I had to learn the hard way. I would watch myself kiss on camera and be like, oh. I'm not, we're not trying, like, I'm curious about of what, like. I had to learn the hard way. I would watch myself kiss on camera and be like, oh. I'm not, we're not trying,

like, I'm curious about how I did. I don't even remember, you know, like, but it's interesting with Connor B, he kisses Katie like at any moment she might run away.

Well, and my favorite thing with him was they had their first night make out and then the next episode he was like, ah, I was like so aggressive. My hands were everywhere. I need a redo. And then the next episode, he was like, I was so aggressive. My hands were everywhere. I need a redo.

And then he did the redo, and he had fistfuls of her hair. Her hands were still there. I was like, this is the redo? Are you sure? It's intense. I mean, it was so intense that last week, Katie pulled away, but not in a way to reject him, but just more like, hey, if this gets any hotter,

we might be naked and just an observation have we seen aaron who has kissed katie more yeah who has kissed katie for sure thomas thomas has um greg connor b connor michael michael aaron aaron has have we Connor B. Connor B. Michael. Michael. Aaron. Aaron has? Have we seen Aaron kiss Katie? Yeah, isn't Aaron... Wasn't Aaron the... We should ask Chrishell. Have you seen Aaron kiss Katie? I honestly actually don't know.

I'm going to have to pay more attention now. I don't remember Aaron. Did Mike and Katie kiss after the virgin situation? I don't think so. I feel like they might have kissed after they had a conversation about it. Andrew S. She's kissed about it. Andrew S. She's kissed Andrew S.

Andrew S. For sure. Yeah. Has she kissed Hunter? No, I don't think so yet. That's weird because Hunter calls Katie his girl. That's my girl. He opens up, you know.

What do we think of Hunter? Justin is the one with the facial expressions, not Josh. No, Josh. Josh had some good expressions, too. I know for a fact that he had some good B-roll. I've never seen Josh before until I'm looking at a sheet of paper. But I'm not sure why he stuck out. Josh is the one who originally came in.

I was just randomly like, who the fuck is this guy? And why is he on the spreadsheet? But Justin has some great reactions. I do remember both josh is the one who came in originally and did the the whole split of the percentages like this percent this this percent that but i'm a hundred percent here for you that was that guy that's josh okay if you remember him justin was the one who didn't uh draw and arose because that was the space that was going to be filled with the love of his life

made me vomit but it's also fine what do we think of hunter what do we think of hunter ladies hunter's tattoo sleeve i'm obsessed where did that come from that was my biggest thing the whole episode was like i said to nick i was like first of all we're just sitting there he's in a nice suit nice guy crying about divorce then all of a sudden bam he's got a full sleeve that is like full tat he's in a t-shirt i'm like where did that hunter come from that made me intrigued oh you like it okay i love tattoos i i i maybe it's you know the circle i feel the same way that i felt when you know when they were opening up who was the one we were just talking about that was talking about Michael? I felt like Michael and Hunter both had these moments in the episode where they got to go deep.

They got to, you know, really kind of show what they're made of. And I find that sexy, you know. So a lot of times it's like, you know, like you said, a lot of it is looks when you just don't, there's too many guys. You don't know who anybody is. And you're just kind of going off of little things here and there. So Hunter, I thought was a standout for sure. I loved his story. I thought it showed a lot of growth and, you know, he owned it,

which I thought was nice. Yeah. He seemed like a nice guy. He don't seem to. Oh, no. I have no. Listen, I mean, Hunter is shorter than most people on that show. They cast very tall guys.

He's. How tall is he? If I had to guess. Yeah. 5'10". Maybe. Oh. Maybe.

I thought you were going to say like. No. 5'4". I feel like I'm being generous,", maybe. Oh, I thought you were going to say like... No, I think... 5'4"? I feel like I'm being generous, but maybe. But like in that world, everyone's 6'2 or above. Most people. And, you know, he's a handsome guy, but he's not traditionally pretty

like a lot of people on that show. And so, you know, in a show that's very much a lot about physical appearances and it's a it's a tough it's a tougher draw. But like, I think Hunter's clearly holding his own. He is he has layers. He's got experience, you know, like I do think in that world, you know, being the lead, you're I think you're more willing to accept imperfections because you know you're not perfect there's a pressure to sound perfect but you just want to be able to connect with people and i think hunter is making it easy to connect with him however you know depending on

how much katie might like him hunter's going out of his way to just be vulnerable and and allow katie to get to know who he really is. And I do think people pick up on that. Like the leads will pick up on that. You just be like, you're not telling me anything. You know, I work with two guys that are five,

five. So I see height so much differently now. So when you said five, 10, I'm like, Oh my God, he's a giant. If I had to guess,

he's probably closer to five, eight, but I did not measure him when i was there and and also like like a lot like aaron and and thomas and justin the all those guys are like six three six four six five i mean it was a big group you know and so like i might you know like they're all tall dudes and so you he might be he might be like 5'10 and to seem short how tall is katie she's short she's like i she's 5'2 5'3 okay yeah but then hunter also became the one who was like the designated person the second time first it was mike and then it's like now hunter shared

his story now he's wholesome and now he's the one who's like has to be the guy who faces thomas in the group we as a collective hunter's one of the older ones i think he's just better at handling those situations and that's probably why he's doing it and again it's interesting because like going back to my date like while thomas didn't say anything wrong aaron was just like it was it was it it was weird because all these guys go around and whether they owned up to being fuckboys or not there was a clear tone of of like trying to just be your sincerest self and then thomas started talking he's like hey man first of all nick loved you on the bachelorette katie and he just like looked right in her eyes and he's just like yeah i'm not perfect who's perfect i mean like yeah i like hooked up some chick last week and like whatever man but i'm here for you like it was just like

i'm exaggerating a little bit but that's kind of how it felt in the room when thomas started talking so all these guys aaron's just like guys i tried to fake cry bro so why the fuck are you going on dates with chicks and that was basically essentially the like why the guys had the reaction that they did because it it thomas really did show his hand of of not like kind of listening not reading the room so to speak right and and it really came across as very performative it just did whether he intended to it or not that's very much how it came across you just said the key word listening i don't think he's a good listener no well clearly katie's is like so tell me what your red flags so i love you um that was the other thing that was super weird right though

what like he was telling the people i was i told her i was in love with her and then he was telling that but he didn't really tell them that. Yeah. That was like a whole thing too. And then he. And I don't know how that's, you know, you think about how could that be edited,

you know? And it seems like, cause. Why would you ever tell the guys that whether you did, whether you say he said it word for word, why would you tell them that? I don't know. Well, you're right. I agree with you tell them that i don't know well you're right

i agree with you because it's like you know it's what's what's so bullshit about everyone interrupts everyone in that world it's so funny and then every season someone makes a big deal about it now it's always made a big deal when someone that was the second time thomas talked to her right now in reality like thomas it is it does happen they'll they'll get you um you know you're the bachelorette i'm talking to you i'm like can i just somebody want to talk to you about eating up on me i mean so anyway so like what i really want to talk about and this is aaron you know it's like oh fuck you know and so you're like well i want to talk to her and so then and then that's how they get

you right so even the interrupting is not a big deal so yeah why thomas should have said at the risk of making guys mad it's just like i had something i wanted to tell her i didn't i i got interrupted uh it's really none of your business what i had to tell katie but you know uh and i'm sorry and i understand if you guys interrupt me you know i just like when the men protect the things special conversations that they have with katie or whoever the lead is it comes across a little uh when you know they run and tell i i like when it feels like i remember you did that you know it was like you you were pretty you know close to the vest about things that. You know, it was like you were pretty, you know, close to the vest about things that you would talk about with the people.

You wouldn't just go and tell the guys that. So I don't know. I just thought that was a weird play. I totally agree because it almost Thomas just looks like he's thinks he's in a game. And he's like, these are this is how you play the game. I was like oh why oh oh i oh because i told her i was falling in love with her so haha you know like i used that card and so you know it's like that's that's how it comes across and and i honestly just think

that's how thomas saw this thing what did we think about thomas aaron your boy uh said i don't even think that katie is thomas's type i thought that you don't usually hear that very often i mean in a world where these guys barely know each other now granted they're both from san diego but they said they did know each other they had that whole spew and it's like, I wish I didn't know you. Like just ignore our history, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, sure. But I don't know everyone's type who like lived in Milwaukee. You know what I'm saying?

Like it's still a big enough city. Maybe they looked up each other on Instagram. But I just think it was interesting for a guy to say, it's usually the other way around. Like I don't know why she'd be into him and blah, blah, blah. I don't even think Thomas is Katie's type. No no one really like i was like what do you mean by that bro yeah elaborate yeah because should i stalk him should we see what his exes look like yeah maybe that's in a way it's like you're almost accusing katie of like not being yeah

hot enough like it's like it's just a weird it's a weird thing to say it's a weird thing to say and it's yeah and it's like and if you are in love with this one your guy said while trying to like just flame thomas was like i don't even think because it was thomas to be like i'm in love with her or falling in love and he's like i don't even believe you like her is essentially what he accused he said i don't even think katie is thomas's type okay i'm gonna actually pay attention to more of what aaron actually that's a that's a weird and not be so distracted because especially assuming aaron is like falling really falling for this person like he sees her as radiant and beautiful and wonderful and so it's

a weird if he doesn't unless he's like best friends with this guy and has been to bars sees the women he hits on like why would he say also she's not your type they don't look exactly alike but they're both tall dark and handsome well let me defend let me let me just do the devil's advocate here okay okay so maybe he's saying it because he's coming from a place like you just said he sees katie this gorgeous gorgeous, beautiful person he likes a lot. And he thinks of, you know, Thomas as a jerk, whatever. So maybe he's saying that as, you know, Thomas, you know, he normally goes for,

I mean, you know, maybe in his head, he's thinking like some kind of sleazy bimbo type thing, not like this beautiful, like thoughtful, smart, maybe that kind of gorgeous, but like maybe he's saying it like he meant it as an insult to Thomas that he just goes for these like, you know, floozy type, what's the word? Bottle service girls.

Yes. You know, he's just like, I've only seen him hook up with bottle service girls and just, you know, no the word bottle service girls yeah you know he's just like i've only seen him hook up with bottle service girls and just you know no district bottle service girls i've dated plenty of them and some of them are selling software and thriving in this world but there is a you know maybe so maybe he meant it like that okay i've done a dive um do tell it's like very i'm currently i went just went to the bottom of his mother but Thomas's Instagram is like so weird to me because he only has four posts and the first one is February 23rd oh he deleted oh he did a wipe so he did a full wipe ah so he probably saw it before smart I mean honestly

smart oh yeah I saw your tweet you told everybody on, delete everything you've ever said. You, 100? Yeah. Delete everything. Because, you know, yeah. You wiped it. You know, but, yeah. I don't know, just a little thing. I'm going to have Aaron's back on this.

I feel like he saw something shady. All right. Listen, I could be very wrong here, but I'm just going to defend. We called him my guy. That's what we're going with. So Blake shows up next week. We know that Aaron has an invite

to Chrishell's house party. I'm going to go down in flames in the next episode. I can already see it. It's going to be so bad. You're going to be just fine. To wrap up, Chrishell uh let's hear your top four predictions for katie oh okay so for katie i love the idea i know she has a great connection with

uh greg i really think that's like a natural nice connection i love so that's one then i've got uh i will say michael last night that was such a special moment we got to throw hunter in there because i think i not so much their connection that i've seen but i just think that that you know i could put him in the top four also i don't know some of these guys like you said i'm looking at this paper and i'm like i I don't remember this guy. So if I have to throw one more in there, I know she likes Connor B, but... It's not for you.

No. I mean, is this like for money? Then fine, I'll throw Aaron in there. I know he's not really going top four, but I'm just going to throw him in there. I know it's going to be like Connor B, but if I was putting money on it was switched i would switch it i'm just gonna my top four last week was um greg blake who shows up uh conor b and andrew s strong episode for michael he easily could be in the top four i'm gonna keep my top four

as such i'm not gonna change it but i could see michael being a disruptor i mean seems like a sweet guy uh and you know there's a level of maturity and openness i do think katie responds really well to that um i the good news is i do think there's a handful of guys that katie is forming connections with and who knows maybe katie's good at just embracing the moment um and i think that makes for good tv for katie to be interested in, like sincerely interested in like three or four guys. I actually forgot. She had a nice connection with David, who is the Nashville guy technical support specialist. I feel like I switch out Aaron for David.

It's not for money. No one's coming after you. I mean, someone will probably like tweet at you. Like, oh, the fuck did you think? Which one's David? This on the first page right here david david david david they didn't give him a ton of air time but yeah he's one of the hotter ones and they gave him like a shout out after um the like group date thing but before she does the rose she like highlights certain people she highlighted he didn't get the rose, she like highlights certain people. She highlighted,

he didn't get the rose, but she was like, and David, I really appreciated our conversation. He seemed like a nice guy. Good looking dude. Like in the confessionals, he was just like,

yeah, I might've been a fuck boy at some point in my life. Totally fine. It's hard at this point. You know, you only, you're only giving these little snippets of people so and again we have blake showing up next week and that's going to change a lot it's going to disrupt a lot of guys uh new like we'll certainly get to hear what trey and aaron think about it

that's for sure um you have experience in this i hope blake comes in a van he'll just kind of be there you can already see it now it's okay well you love claire you love taisha like who like do you love me or you love katie or you know and i think it is a fair fair thing i mean i'm sure a lot of people will make a lot of comparisons between blake and and me showing up for caitlin season I don't know if there was a history there uh I might I'm pretty sure there were some DMs exchanged but I don't know to what degree I didn't seem I didn't get the impression it was at the level that Caitlin and I were communicating when I decided to show up but I do think Blake will do well. So. Well, it's, it's, yeah.

I mean, he already had talked to her in some capacity and she, there's some sense of familiarity when you, cause she'll be able to kind of feel like she knows him even just a little bit from watching his season. So. Yeah. Uh,

Chris shell. It's always a pleasure to have you on. Uh, thank you for coming. Thank you for coming. Thank you for completing the hat trick. Yes. On all our shows. Please let the people know where they can find you.

Obviously, you have another season of Selling Sunset coming out. What other projects do you want people to know about? Also, just like your real estate information, if they need to buy a house. Yes, do give me a call. Our DM, Chrishell.Stouse on Instagram is where I'm most active.

But yeah, we're filming season four and five right now. I have an announcement next week that's coming out that I'm excited about. Unfortunately, I can't say, but you'll see soon. But yeah, so we're kind of working hard on all kinds of things okay fine uh always love to have you what day is the announcement coming out

i think wednesday i could be wrong but i think wednesday did it this week no i actually think it's this week it depends honestly see i'm talking about it prematurely because they there's like certain things i have to be like but very soon let's just say very soon um i'm sorry i know that's annoying i love it i feel like this makes me feel like i like trying to talk sexier you know you like do you want to talk about it hold it as an intro to our monday's episode next week no i'll tell you after this it's just something i've been working on well congratulations on whatever it is uh always welcome back thanks for coming on uh we appreciate you guys listening don't forget to send in your questions at ask nick at castmedia.com for

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