The Viall Files - E296 The Bachelorette Recap With Tristan Watson

Episode Date: July 27, 2021

The Bachelorette Recap With Tristan Watson    Today we are recapping The Bachelorette with Tristan Watson. You may know Tristan from his live recaps on his socials and we had to get him in the studio to see what he would say in person.  In this breakdown we all have thoughts about Thomas not being at the tell all in person, Michael’s exit and what would it look like if he were to become The Bachelor, Karl, Hunter, Connor making out with an audience member and what we think we will see during hometowns and fantasy suites. Nick and Tristan have it all covered for you.  “What does it take to have a mortal enemy…” Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes.  For merch please visit www.viallfiles.com today! Don't forget to nominate The Viall Files for a People's Choice Podcast Award: https://www.podcastawards.com/ THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: BetterHelp:http://www.betterhelp.com/VIALLFILES to get 10% off your first month.  Natural Habits: http://www.nhoils.com use code LOVE for 30% off and free shipping.    Episode Socials:  @viallfiles @nickviall @tristan_watson See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

What's going on everybody welcome back to another episode of the vile files bachelorette recap edition I'm your host Nick joined by the team Allie, Amanda and Chrissy. Ladies, how are you doing? How was your weekend? Great? Apparently not great. Allie and I had breakdowns so that's great. Did you call each other? No, we didn't call each other. I called you but we didn't call each other. Does it make you mad that it was a phone call i've been waiting for you to call for the past three months i knew you were gonna tell me the writing was on the wall it was on the wall i knew it i just needed to hear it from you but it was it was also kind of like giving you the satisfaction of saying i told you it really

doesn't give me any satisfaction in fact it makes me feel worse like you're here like you know every week listening to me give advice that apparently you don't listen to and I'm just like why am I here why are we doing this I'm too busy working to listen. That's the problem. Just out of curiosity, like when you're in the moment and enjoying the short-term gratification that comes from your decisions, do you know that like,

is there like a voice in your head of either me or yourself? Yeah, there's like this voice in your head of either me or yourself? Sure. Yeah. There's like this glow of your face above my head. It's not going to work out. It's like, don't do it. What was wrong with your weekend, Ellie? I had two breakdowns in four days.

Two? Yep. Is it the job? Is the job getting to you? Well, I'm juggling like between three and four jobs a day. Okay. And then on Thursday, I couldn juggling between three and four jobs a day. Okay. And then on Thursday, I couldn't get two screws out of the wall. So then I sobbed.

And there was like snot everywhere. And I called my dad. And he couldn't even understand what I was saying. And he was like, Al, I don't mean to be sexist. But do you know any boys in the building? And I only know four really like hot guys up on the fourth floor. So I had to message the Italian men. And they sent Matteo down.

And man, that man knew his way around a drill. And he got that out of the wall and everything was fine. For context, Matteo is a man who wanted to have sex with me during a dinner party. During the dinner party. You know Matteo. While I was sitting at the dinner table. I brought Amanda to their apartment. She left.

My other friend left to various bedrooms and i sat at the kitchen table sipping wine because no one wanted to take me to a bedroom when he said he wanted to what did what happened like it was weird well okay so it was honestly it was like so ali invites me to this dinner party a few weeks ago. This was several months ago. Okay. I was expecting like nothing fancy. We show up there like they have a set table, red wine, like full. They made us a full dinner. So we had like a lovely dinner with them. And then someone started a game of like spin the bottle.

And I understand this is incredibly juvenile, incredibly juvenile. But I cannot emphasize the degree to which all these men are like dashing Europeans. But then we're also like playing like a trashy game. Anyway, it's just like, I don't know. I think things sort of devolved, I would say. And I got a dare of like, go get an Italian lesson from this boy in a private, like a private Italian lesson. So I kissed him, but I was like, he clearly wanted to have sex.

And I was like, I'm not going to have sex during the dinner party. Gave him my number. We were supposed to hang out. He kind of rescheduled and then like didn't really make an effort to follow up. So I was like, okay, whatever, lost cause. But then he comes waltzing back into the picture. With the power drill. Yeah, with the power drill.

What was your second breakdown? That was yesterday. And my spackle didn't really look very good because i wasn't didn't know you're supposed to wipe it first so this was a home improvement kind of i'm i'm moving um and i am the only one doing anything in the apartment and i'm a very anxious person and so yeah i yeah i'm not doing well like at all well i'm also not moving until friday but i don't i have to go live somewhere else for a few days because i packed too fast and now i can't live there anymore i feel like this is all gonna be fine that's what everyone's saying but it doesn't feel that way i'm certain of it okay i mean who knows let me know if it

doesn't work out yeah but then also like no one could hang out with me this weekend so i just spent the weekend all by myself and that's why i debated calling you also on sunday to see if you and jeff wanted to hang out but then i decided against it you called to hang out with jeff it's probably for the best it's okay to feel lonely doesn't mean you're alone uh we have a great episode for you let's liven it up um we have a very special guest his name is tristan watson he is a a young gentleman who i i have followed through uh instagram he's a friend of my girlfriend, Natalie, and he's been recapping The Bachelor on his Instagram stories for a couple years now.

And I find him to be hilarious. Hilarious. And I thought I would give young Tristan an opportunity to recap with us as we are always looking for hot young talent. Tristan, welcome. Thank you so much. Emphasis on for hot young talent. Tristan, welcome. Thank you so much. Emphasis on the hot talent there.

I'm very hot, very exciting, very cute, very fun, very young. Great. So I guess without further ado, wait, before we get to Tristan and his recap, just a couple housekeeping notes. We have a really fantastic episode for you on Wednesday. Dr. Maya Shunker is with us. She is a behavioral scientist. She's a behavioral scientist for Google.

She's worked for the White House. And we obviously, as you know, if you listen to this podcast, we talk a lot about our choices, our decisions, the things we do to either improve our situations or make our situations worse. And to better understand how we make our choices and things like that, Maya is with us to have a really, really cool discussion. It was so fascinating. So be sure to check that out uh it was one of my one of my favorite conversations um she's so cool uh so that it comes out on wednesday or tomorrow whenever you're listening to this and then as always we have our ask nick episodes that come out on monday be sure to check that, all you Bachelor fans who clearly are interested in love and relationships. And if you are, it's like a more realistic Bachelor of people sharing their stories and their problems, and then we fix it.

Other than that, let's get to Tristan and the recap. I'm so excited. And before we start, it's very brave of you to assume that I would have clean clothes. I'm on week three of my vacation to LA, and i don't do laundry at home in atlanta so like it's very bold of you to assume that i have done laundry in three weeks so i didn't assume though are you filthy i mean it's definitely a little dirty okay um these jeans have been worn to a many places but you know we are thriving we are thriving. We are surviving. And I'm here. I'm honored. We're welcome.

We're excited to have you. And welcome. Well, of course. Thank you so much. This episode opens. We have one of these kind of weird. We're getting to the tail end of the season. We can kind of tell that, obviously, as Katie has mentioned,

the season ends differently, as she says. We don't know how. And we're starting to see that unfold in the fact that they are kind of having these hybrid episodes of a little bit of regular episode going into the tell-all uh and basically the first you know what 20 minutes is all about michael and his exit from the show so that he can be a part of the tell-all. So the episode opens up with a walk between Tayshia and Katie. And essentially, it's a walk that has to do with Tayshia explaining to Katie how being the lead works. And she's just like, listen,

you can kind of like tell people you're falling in love with them and they buy it. And then they start opening up and saying that they're in love with you. And that gives us more content. And, and, and, uh,

I was very like, I was like, okay, it's definitely an interesting stance. Just like tell them you're like falling in love with them, even if it may not be true, but like maybe we'll bring in some honesty there. Yeah yeah i was kind of thought it was humorous to almost be like yeah this is kind of what we do we just just tell them you're falling in love with them it

doesn't really matter taisha makes an interesting revelation that um she also mentioned that uh zach wasn't her front runner until she met Zach's family. And I thought to myself, well, if I were Zach, would you want to hear that? It's not the best news to be receiving on national television. It's like, you know, you were okay. And then I met your mom. And then I was like, love his mom. Well, guess I'm going to do this.

I feel like it's much better than the alternative of like you were my front runner and then i met your parents and i was like fuck no right that would be so much worse neither's great you know i feel like it's more like hey i'm you're the greatest and i really hope that your family just kind of confirms what i already feel and know and even if they're like not like maybe even if we don't jive like yeah i don't want to hang out with your parents every day like they seem like loving people it reminded me of the the new girl episode where jess like falls in love with the parents as opposed to the guy and so she just keeps dating him because she wants to go on dates with the parents i'm like is, is that the situation here? She's like, oh, but your parents really were.

But like, I think if you like flip it around, like I've personally like never dated anyone. If there's anyone out there that's like interested in me, like let me know via Instagram DMs. But like, what if you start dating someone? You absolutely love them. And then you meet their parents and it's a disaster. And then you're like, okay, well, have to live with this for, I don't know, 40 more years. That does happen. 100%.

I wonder if it was even true. Like if Tayshia actually felt this way. You know, she's operating as a host of the show. And again, it's her job to kind of lead Katie down a path. And it's, you know, because the show's done this in the past. Kind of like reminding you that the lead still doesn't know it's the show still up for grabs they're torn in their decision and i don't know maybe katie truly is torn she mentioned on night one she has you know 25

you know choices it would you know from my experience and experience of my friends usually the leads have a pretty good idea at this juncture but right maybe she is completely torn but we kind of get that set up and then we go into uh michael's uh conversation with his son obviously you know does michael make you guys at least at a minimum get choked up every time he speaks or are you full-on crying oh i mean i was sobbing within like five minutes of listening to it yeah i was texting natalie like i am absolutely sobbing the entire episode and he comes on again like i stopped crying for a while and like catch my breath and then i'm like all right crying again uh paul uh chrissy you cry he makes me cry i don't think full cry it's a build yeah no but

you feel like you're every time you speak she's like you're trying not to cry or you're just like looking away yeah i think this is the first time i sobbed this season it was like waterworks waterworks yeah like here's the thing and i like nothing andrew has thing had me sobbing fully like i watched this um after the girl I was babysitting went to bed on Saturday night and I was like, honey, we're all trying. We're all parents. Get it together. It is his

the whole story. So here's the question. Michael goes home. He has this obviously very hard conversation with his son. His son almost questions if his dad even loves him. Obviously, that's hard. That was heartbreaking.

It's heartbreaking. And so Michael goes to Katie. They have a breakup. You know, Katie does the whole, like, I mean, do we? Michael wasn't Katie's top choice, right? So I think that's clear. Now, Katie kind of kept saying saying and i think probably what katie was trying to say is that maybe if we had more time that could have changed but i didn't totally

buy this like oh it could have been you you know listen if if if vanessa had a child and at that point in the season was about to go home or like when cassie left we've seen it before you would be like look you're fuck it you're my pick whatever whatever we have to do like you know we hear from katie that she uh ends the season abruptly somehow right we don't know how so she's already like she's willing to do that so i think she's sad to see a really nice guy go home but i don't totally think that katie ever thought she was going to end up with michael just because i mean again she is the best threat she could have been like i totally get it that's fucked up like i want you to be with your son like i don't know what we have to do but i want to be

with you i mean at this point like like, can we call Delta Airlines? Like, really, any airline? Can we, like, call the FBI, the president, to get his child here to the set? Like, get this man his child. Like, he needs to see him immediately. Well, that's kind of the thing. He just, I think, was ready to go. My guess is Michael sensed that he wasn't Katie's favorite.

You know? That's very cool. If Michael felt, like, at this point like like greg feels like well yeah well we don't know how greg feels but uh yeah i think michael they would have figured to your point tristan i think they would have figured something out now here's the big question i think we should discuss this was clearly a setup there's kind of a juxtaposition with Michael I would love to see Michael as the bachelor I think it would be an insanely great season it would be different I don't think they've ever had a widower a widower with a son you know there's a I've seen a lot of

people say they'd love a season with Michael as The Bachelor. I've seen other people saying, listen, I love Michael. He's my favorite, but I'll be honest, I don't want to see a whole season of him as The Bachelor. He's a cute guy. He's not necessarily sex appeal in terms of a traditional sense, right? But at the same time, and some people might argue, listen, I don't want to cry all season. I don't. I don't want that want that but at the same time i think it'd be interesting what's that show on nbc this is us i haven't seen it but what i hear in my understanding is you just cry every fucking episode yeah that seems to be doing really well yeah michael asleep is in seattle yes right and i just think that would be something new something interesting but the problem is he left because of his son it's a hard sell to make him the bachelor

knowing he left would you want to see michael as the bachelor tristan i'm definitely curious like i would love to see maybe like a one-on-one he's like okay hey i really want to go into one-on-one with you one-on-one with you but like here's the thing like my son is here like he is going to have to come as well so like is the date skydiving and the sun is just going to be absolutely thrown out of the plane with the um bachelor and you know his date so i just think it kind of might be interesting like is there a babysitting aspect of it like are there babysitters on set like i need to know that they're cute that that that could happen but just as watching him let's figure let's forget about the logistics of the sun for are you interested in seeing what is would would clearly be a heavier season of a lot of

tears and a lot of connecting and sweet michael having his like very sweet monologues about the importance of life and valuing time that he seems to be really good at. Are you up for a heavier season of The Bachelor as opposed to a Greg or a more kind of traditionally handsome kind of like, I want to have- Andrew S. Andrew S.

Andrew's more like in between of like the goofy, funny, playful season. Greg would be if he's not the winner and I don't think he's going to be, the heart funny playful season greg would be if he's not the winner and i don't think he's going to be the heartthrob season and then you have michael being the more tear-jerking season so like i'm in between like i appreciate how michael can bring that into us like he can give us a little bit of like those emotions but i don't think like i can watch an entire season of that like i go to the bachelor for and bachelorette for like an escape,

if you will. Like, I don't want to like, there's already enough tears going on, like the personal life. Like we just need to like rail that back, like in the private life. So I would rather have someone who is like,

you know, going to have fun like Andrew or Greg or something like that, where, you know, it's a light playful, like they're still wanting to actually be in a legitimate relationship, but they're going to have fun with it and they're going to be fun be in a legitimate relationship but they're gonna have fun with it and they're gonna be fun and flirty and like you know make some wrong decisions

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Okay, I thought Michael was so smoking hot in his goodbye. He was styled beautifully. He was hot. I was like, beautifully i noticed that too yes i was like okay dad like it's like i feel sorry i know okay daddy with michael real quick i just mean like that was the first time that i think i really like sexualized michael in the sense of like the first time i was attracted to him but then also i was like could i handle this man dealing with pettiness like if there's like a corinne on his season can i like let this man who has seen so much like deal with some like real bs in the house and i don't know that's another great heartbreak can he be the one

breaking hearts that's not his character right i don't think he'd be able to handle breaking up with the people it would be different it would be weird it would be different it may in some moments of weird but it would be compelling and that's the thing it's it's clearly would be a very different season than the norm and you know i don't no one's saying that michael's not a very attractive guy but he's not your traditional heartthrob right his presence is different you know everything about him and yes the the power of the beard speaks again when he comes out did we all see bennett's tiktok uh bennett from last season game changing i mean if you guys if you are out there if you're listening and you have the ability to grow a solid beard you're and you don't you're you're passing up a legit superpower bennett's beard is worth more than his degree at harvard

i would argue it's going to get him in more doors than his Harvard degree. Any disagreements? I did not even recognize it was his TikTok. I scrolled through and someone's like, did you see Bennett's beard? And I was like, that was him? You've got me very intrigued to go watch it. Yeah, you should check it out. I do love a nice beard.

It's game changing. I think Bennett's issue is that he looks like someone with white gloves does everything for him. And then you see the beard and you're like, oh, he could split a thing of wood. It's like a little rustic, a little bit of funness there. And Michael gives him an edge that Michael doesn't necessarily naturally bring edge to the table. And the beard presents that opportunity. But it is an interesting question

whether it's going to be i just think listen we've seen the normal seasons before i think a season of a widower would be compelling and it would be different and it would play a role into the drama and how michael handles it and and yeah like could you imagine michael you know how old's michael he's 36 so yeah michael is in his mid-30s he's mature he's been mature beyond people's wild he's been through so much he has he is mature from his age standpoint of just being older than most people in that show and then obviously his life experience is unmatched in terms of dealing with his perspective. And so imagine having your handful of 23, 24 year old. And again, you can have really mature 23, 24 year olds,

but you're gonna get a handful of women who are gonna bring some very petty drama. And how does Michael deal with that? Like, does it come across as like, you know, let's just sit in a group guys and just like it's a it's constant therapy that is crazy he was with his i was reading last night he was with his or maybe he said on the episode he was with his wife for like 16 years or something so he must have i'm like not a mathematician but that's like maybe when

he was 18 or something that's a long time to be with one person yes but i mean i get that's like commitment and everything like that but it's kind of crazy to see like i would love you bring up a good point of how it could be interesting to see how he's interacting with these younger women and you know doing his thing like get his flirting game back i just no one's gonna root for anyone harder than you're gonna want to root for michael whether you and then you want to or not and it's a storyline like what's what's that's the best storyline possible it's maybe the best storyline ever that's how they often pick their so is this your official prediction a prediction no because i think it logistically it offers complications his son being the biggest problem they would they would have to present a situation of like and i if i'm the show i make it

happen like i don't know how this i think his son's like young like pretty young he's like three or four is it well i don't know that's the question is he in school or is he not in school is he like if he's like three or four then he doesn't like you don't have to worry about taking him out of school and things like that so he could whoever's taking care of him now they could be like we whatever you need we will rent out a house you can spend as much time with your son he's it's gonna have to be a part of the show i don't know if he's gonna be skydiving and being thrown out of planes but he they would have to accommodate this and we've seen it before with emily maynard way back when had her daughter and and her daughter like just kind of was very much there i don't know how much time she got to spend and i don't know how much i didn't

watch the whole season or how much on camera she was but she didn't have to say goodbye to her daughter for nine weeks like and so i think they would make it work if michael is able to but it does pull an interesting wrench into the equation if If you want to make him the bachelor, he went home because of his son. I think like we could view it. Like if there's anyone watching who like has any control of this, we can view it as a nice little summer camp for him. Okay.

Like maybe invite some of his cousins, his friends. Like we can like have little bounce castles outside. Like, I don't know. Like, so let's make it fun for him. And then I think that's the best of both worlds. Like we want him to find love and we want his son to be happy and we want

him to be with his son so like let's just make it happen not rocket science who's your pick for the next crazy right now what you don't i don't know i just think that no one's thinking that this is like a person who's been through so much the amount of therapy this poor guy would need literally go into this situation talking as emotional as it is to be emotionally taxing to be breaking hearts to be dealing with the wife to be it's too much i hope if anybody asks him to be the bachelorette his family is like no honey please now you don't need this extra crazy. I think. So emotional. That's an interesting point. It's a valid point.

I think Michael can decide for himself. You know what I'm saying? Of course. We don't know what Michael's been through. He's 36. And if Michael doesn't think he's capable, I trust that Michael would bow out. I think Michael has the self-awareness to say, it's too much. Yeah.

I got other priorities or Michael, if decided, yeah, we're going to have to make, we're gonna have to move some mountains, ABC Warner brothers. But if you want me, like these are my non-negotiables and it's, I understand if you can't meet these non-negotiables, but this is what I would need to make sure that i'm taking care of my family and myself and i would trust michael to make that decision i don't think he would need extra therapy and it might be there i mean according to michael this has been a very therapeutic experience for him he's talked about like and i like michael said to katie you made me feel like i could love again that's what that's what really got me i was like it's so brave for him to come back and just like Michael said to Katie, you made me feel like I could love again.

That's what, that's what really got me. I was like, it's so brave for him to come back and just like, be so excited to get like, jump back into things. And I feel like this is a really good start for him. So if he wants to continue on into that journey, like,

so be it. I will absolutely a hundred percent support him and be like sobbing, crying throughout, you know, the entire season. Like I will be there for him, but like, I feel like it really is. Yeah. like up to him on what he wants to do and the decision he wants to make but i think he's on the right track totally and i just think like when michael

said that though i can see like i i understood what he was saying it was like a jump start when you're like to your point tristan you're you're with the same person for 16, 17 years. They tragically get sick and pass away. And I've had feelings without having to deal with Michael, what Michael's had to deal with of like, as you get older, you become more cynical and be like, am I going to, you know, am I going to be able to kind of lose myself in these feelings and excitement the way Michaelael described it i i really understood what he was saying and i could see it there's some benefits to like you know trying to get out of this kind of hurt that he's in where i could see it being a positive thing i don't know i'm i would like to see it selfishly and again i trust that michael wouldn't do it if he doesn't think uh it's it's uh he's he's capable of doing it i know michael's not your first choice right who is see like i'm here for i think we talked about

andrew maybe and then greg obviously is like a crowd favorite like i don't want any like i feel like if i say something about greg like i need to be on the right side with greg because like i feel like he has a lot of stands that are just absolutely like riding hard for him so like I feel like it could be fun but a lot of people have said like oh he's an actor you know I don't know like how much he's into this um or if it's just like all an act I mean I personally love him but I think that's an interesting perspective of like you know they talked a ton last night on the like mental of like you know are they here for the right reasons or like i mean obviously that's the line like every single season but it's definitely like an interesting point when you look at greg yeah and if if greg if this is all an act then

give greg an acting job oh i mean like bravo like he needs to be in like the next movie he went to acting school once like if he like took an acting class and we're like oh he's an actor if i'm greg's acting coach i am out there just getting on social and being like yeah i did this i you know it just takes one class here we are here we are um i think it's a little silly well also a lot of um acting like a lot of people in the biz will be like acting is like 90 having like the right face and then like 10% of it is that like raw talent but like so much of it is just having the right face and there's something about Greg's face where it's like I just think he's the definition of every guy who you can like project onto and like make him what you want him to be

it's a lot of the so I saw a meme the other day someone took off his hair and gave him a completely different haircut absolutely changed my perspective a little bit because i was like is it bad i was like is it just the flowy hair or like am i just being distracted by that the flowy hair where it's just like he constantly does the effortless yeah like i sweat for like 20 seconds and then my hair is just like down in my face like all of a sudden i have bangs so i'm like i need that effortlessness yeah is that a word maybe effortlessness yeah i think so okay it is all right let's get into the tell-all um i think off the bat we're all just annoyed and disappointed that we don't see thomas in the crowd and it's

just like for me going into the tell-all all i really want i but it was the thomas controversy that i was the most interested in looking forward to uh in terms of the house shifted uh against thomas obviously we talked with katie about thomas there was a lot of kind of unanswered questions of did thomas what is thomas's point of view now did the guys any of the guys changed their mind etc etc but he wasn't there i don't know why we you know got teased that he might be there etc etc i wonder could it be it could be covid protocols who knows could be a lot of reasons um so yeah i was disappointed what did you think about that yeah i mean it was definitely interesting as he was such like a hyped up part of it they're like will thomas be here who knows like i'm like okay let's get over let's cut to the chase like is he going to be there

but i feel like i was hoping for that dramatic entrance and you know we didn't get that i feel like it's much more awkward when everyone is in there in person and you can feel the tensions in the air and it's just so awkward with the huge crowd well yeah and that's that point they clearly sometimes in the past i know like they haven't had you know it was in like on way back when on my season of the uh when and andy season i was essentially the whole the most it was the biggest villain on the show i wasn't part of the tell all because i was a runner up and on the tell all i wasn't mentioned they how rude honestly no thank god but like it was like he's not here to be talked about and so we're not gonna talk about you right right and with thomas he was clearly talked about you

know the other whole carl you know thing i mean also carl clearly did not maybe i i would guess that carl did not watch clarence's uh men tell Tell All because Carl for the second time for the second season in a row doubled down on his shitty behavior to look even shittier and it's just like I'm screaming, puking, crying, begging Carl to just like chill like I think

he just needs to take a nap and he needs to stop screaming at literally everyone I thought that was so funny how they were like you kept screaming at everyone in the house. Like, there's someone here for the wrong reasons. There's someone here for the wrong reasons. Like, who is it? Like, give us the receipts.

Give us the facts. And he's just like, I'm not saying anything. I'm like, okay, I can't deal with you anymore. Yeah. And then he conveniently, it was like, of course, it's Thomas. And it wasn't like. Of course, it's Thomas. He got caught in the lie.

Who was the one who called him out by saying you said it was people and then you said it was one person who was that who called him out on it brendan well i remember yeah brendan was like in it also james was getting really heated james was the one that was like the nick vial date yes like i was i was proud of you i was like oh my god he got a little shout out yeah um but yeah so like i i think it's what thomas has been a convenient scapegoat i still think justice for thomas he no one's really explained other than like yeah the guy kind of talks in hyperbolic terms and even and his you know thomas i gave him like a six out of ten because he he went a little too far he should have just apologized and and moved on but he he's like everything i said i meant it was like then what are you apologizing for yeah it felt very on both

sides i felt like both thomas and katie felt very like disingenuine and i was just like what are we doing here between the two of them i was like both of them were like yeah well before we get to like kind of but katie kind of well let's get back to the carl and um so yeah he just made it doesn't make any sense obviously the tell-all is a big element of this is all a paradise tryout i suspect a lot of the you know the james and the brendans um of the world will make an appearance on on course on paradise it was really interesting again for what i'm really curious why thomas wasn't there because i've heard he's on paradise i suspect he will probably be prominently featured for him to not be there uh i i would be i wouldn't be

surprised it was a covid thing i mean yeah but also like i mean i guess he could have like himself gotten like into some covid like troubles but i mean everyone else was there like the main people who we like needed to be there of course and like they had a full audience so like i'd probably something to do with that or the fact that he just didn't want to air that all out on national television well because uh thomas wasn't there we have andrew and cody's there who we barely remember and they bring up that drama and they refer to a picture of some kind and all these guys jumped on the cody bandwagon i mean aaron's super petty right like we we know aaron said at some point oh aaron when katie called aaron thomas was awesome by the way and in fairness to katie i did meet both of them on the date they they're like the same height they kind of they have a

they i can see how they get confused i will say that aaron however says that's my mortal enemy and i'm just wondering as a you know middle like a mid-20s guy do you have like is that a thing to have a mortal enemy what what would it take to have a mortal enemy as opposed to like not my favorite guy you know i don't know it sounds dramatic and i kind of love it and i kind of want to create a mortal enemy for myself you don't have one no i mean and sadly like i'm actively seeking so if anyone wants to be like a mortal enemy of mine like maybe we could do like a fake fighting thing for like something fun we could we could go in the boxing ring and just like simply do a quick match do you like aaron yes okay i thought he was like he definitely looked

like he'd stepped directly off of a beach and then he came here just like guns blazing and it was a lot to handle so connor being the girl i mean yeah clearly a plant set up from the beginning hey build i love the i love the girl who's like stands up and she's like oh my god what is this mic doing on me like i'm totally mic'd up oh my god caitlin caitlin this is so random and just the way they built it with like how like the first time they show a clip of the audience and i was like wait is there a furry in the audience like what's going on it wasn't the furry it wasn't that that's not that wasn't the girl no way what do you mean no way did you see on the cat suit wasn't

the girl that he made out with yeah yeah no like that's who we needed up there. I thought she did a quick change. No, because they were sitting in different sections. I guess it's possible, but I don't think so. I think you would. Why would you have her change? Wow. Connor. So there were multiple women who went in.

Yes. Gunning for Connor B. Absolutely. Well, I mean, we know of two. Maybe. I have not been able to. Does this surprise you? The same.

Also grew a beard. A thicker beard. he really came in with a full beard also asked for the girl's number as they were like going to commercial which i thought was awesome yeah i mean pretty cute he's getting those digits pretty cute girl you know right at least he has a happening i have not been able to look in the same since he came in with the catsuit like it's just been downhill ever since then for me not for you no i mean but last night i was definitely rooting for him and i loved like the camaraderie of all the guys like and they were in such support of him like going to kiss uh the girl song yes oh well yeah i mean connor was like i know you probably didn't expect me to write another song i was like i hoped you wouldn't it was it's like it's cute when you do it once and now when it becomes just a shtick yeah you're literally that guy whipping out his uke at a party except the party is the men tell all and it's a televised special i mean

where did he bring like did he bring it in his carry-on luggage the ukulele like i need some more details on the ukulele of it all also it was an aggressive makeout again right it was they had they kind of cut away where it was i couldn't like they beth it looked like they both kept trying to like bite each other's faces yeah it seemed when we flash flashback to a kiss with katie it was the same thing and then he just went like full force on this makeout i was like all right there he is he's going for it yeah there was love there was a time where katie we didn't think i remember when katie and mike uh connor b made out it connor kind of lunges when he makes out a little bit you know and and katie kind of had to stop it and at the time i thought when we all thought like katie and connor b might be a thing katie was like and we thought

maybe it was getting too hot and heavy too fast. And maybe it's because Katie just didn't like making out with Connor. But he proceeded to be. And the young lady he was making out with also seemed to be part of like it was an aggressive make out. They kind of kept cutting away. Caitlin's reaction was like, okay, it wasn't just like a nice soft romantic kiss. It was let's go for it. Like I'm definitely interested to see her 24 hour growth there's an account on instagram like bachelor analytics or something and i would be interested to see if this woman

who does this account do we know her name the cat or the girl oh i think it's just like bachelor analytics on no no no the girl he made out with oh no but like i'm sure someone will find her and i've got to see her growth in these 24 hours and see if people are actually interested. Maybe she's on Paradise. Who knows? Maybe. I doubt it. More importantly,

do we think they hooked up that night? Do you think those two had sex that night? 100%. I'm hoping. Maybe not sex. Do you think they hooked, made out? Maybe in the green room or something. I think he got her number.

I think they went for a drink and then maybe made out and then that was the end of it or did she say okay great make out this was so fun and then she's like and seen and then she just never speaks to him again that could also be an option you think she was performing maybe she didn't really like i mean i mean she was literally like it was kind of robotic in a sense like their kiss was definitely like exciting but she as a person was just kind of robotic in a sense. Like their kiss was definitely like exciting. But she as a person was just kind of like, I just really want to kiss you. And like, I think you're a good kisser. I was like, all right, let's relax.

Do we believe that it accomplished the goal of what this clearly the show was trying to do is throw him a bone? Hey, he's not a bad kisser. But it was such it was such obviously a plan to do. We believe her and her saying paradise no i get it but yeah do you did did connor redeem himself or do we still think he's possibly a bad kisser i think one of the funny parts was when he's like yeah i called like some of my exes and i was like confirming that like i'm not a good kisser but like i mean is your ex really gonna well maybe if they ended on bad terms like they would tell you that you're a bad kisser but um i pre like i

thought that was funny and it seemed like connor the way he said it made it seem like hey please like if i am just tell me i'm i'm looking for like some self-growth here i feel like which we respect i feel like an ex would would say that but also, if this is your ex for any period of time, they could be like, well, no, of course I didn't think so. I dated you. So it's kind of like you don't want to ask your ex. You want to somehow track down a late night make out or a hook up. Are we using the FBI to track down these late night hookups?

I think you just go to a Nashville bar and just do a quick trial run, you know, not to, to, you know, Connor obviously had his confessional of talking about that dark time in his life. And it sounded like he was making out with a lot of random chicks during that

time. Right. I did love right after he made out with her for the first time or the second when he was like, wait, what's your name? he was like wait what's your name i was like oh that's sweet romantic he is a performer though right before cutting into commercial he's like one more you're connor is a showman right i also just in terms of the

bad kissing stuff the question is like is he like not a good kisser is he an actively bad kisser because there's some people who it's like okay maybe they're a little lost but like they're doing their best and then there's some people where it's like oh no you're making a choice here and it's the wrong one well i personally think you in when it comes to kissing you know it's first chemistry matters right you know do you are you into this person or not right uh and then so that's the big thing but there's only for me there's only two ways to be a really bad kisser either you open your mouth and do nothing and assuming like and i've i think that that happens it's called what i refer is like the dead fish kiss where it's just uh and like i've had that happen in my adolescent years where i'm just like are you gonna move and you're gonna do anything or is it just like am i driving this whole thing and then there's the opposite of like it's a thumb wrestling competition

with tongues where it's just constant constant just like yeah it's like they're trying to infiltrate yeah fighting swords just like you know and connor seems to be if he is a bad kisser guilty of the latter of just constantly going in and thinking like this is a game of like like attack where it should be like a dance of like you know right and uh he's probably like nervous now he's like well shit like i might be a bad kisser so like i've really got to try and go at it and we're like okay maybe just like a little bit less like i don't know if that's like all you need to do like yes it is true that connor is going to next all the women he it's going to be a thing well get ready for paradise and strap in and have everyone say whether connor is or isn't a good kisser i don't know um i was surprised that I was really, I thought Hunter was going to get it hard from the guys.

I thought they were going to go after him. And they tried a little bit, but he kind of went through a little unscathed. Right. Yeah, totally. Were you surprised by that? What are your thoughts on Hunter? I did think it.

I mean, I was glad he owned up to the situation of him being like, he did follow me on Instagram. I was like, Hunter up to like the situation of him being like he did follow me on Instagram this like Hunter if you see this uh-huh um but Hunter followed you on Instagram yes I was like oh my god stop it like recognize celebrity um anyway he I like how he was like I do not have a list or like he was like literally it cut to him like telling like who he had the list and he's like it's like this person this person this person and then like five minutes later it cuts to a clip like of him like on the date and he's like i never had a list i don't know what you're talking about i'm like which one is it but i did love how he owned up to all of that scenario and he was like yeah that was like stupid that i

said that i i i gotta give brendan some props because i didn't think he was funny but while hunter did own up to it right to brendan's point you're owning up to something we just got video confirmation like so you're not necessarily 4k like lying the alternative owning up to it as you say hunter is to suggest that maybe you're like a like a sociopathic narcissist who while faced with like clear evidence of your crime you will boldface be like wasn't me didn't do it you know like that's the alternative right like he had two choices of owning something that we all know to be true versus somehow looking so delusional you have to question his his mental health like we have the security footage sir like there's nothing he's like of course you're gonna own up to it now like

you like dead ass got caught so like you have to at this point but there were also like some really big moments in the hunter conversation like there was two people who defended so like you had connor b defending hunter being like hey guys he really did love him. I kind of liked that though. Yeah. That was sweet. And then you had Hunter defending Thomas and being like, people were telling me I'm hanging out with him and I shouldn't be, but actually he's not that bad of a guy. I think he just got caught up in it.

Right. You know, also bringing me back to, I liked both of those. And, and that's the thing. It's just like, as much as we tease about the lie,

Hunter, I get, he was set up in a way. Yeah. Right. Like he's not. The show opened with Tayshia being like, listen, you can tell people you're falling in love with them. It's not a big deal. Like it's fine. To cut to Hunter being like, I'm not in love with her yet.

To his lie being, I'm falling in love with her. The show, every season tells you how different that is. And so Hunter's just like, yeah, I mean, I guess I lied. But also, I am falling in love with her. You can literally get out of the limo and be like, oh, wow. And then be like, I'm falling in love with you. Because I'm beginning the process of having a crush on you etc etc it's like a good reason to be there yeah so i like that uh i love that connor started up for hunter uh i loved i loved connor's response to

was it james where it was like well you know that's my opinion and he was like you're wrong i love that because honestly small banter like what does james know like my guess is connor and hunter probably had some real conversations and and and connor like saw like hunter's genuine excitement in katie and and james was part of the you know kind of the peanut gallery of guys who didn't get any real time or validation from katie and they were just there to bond with each other and talk shit about the other guys so i appreciate that going back to what was frustrating in the early part of the episode is that when carl spoke i hate that he mentioned the mom mentality because i agreed with him and i hate that it came from carl right like this all credibility yeah like it's it's it came from carl right like this all credibility yeah like it's it came

from carl like what he's actually saying in the moment is correct but it's also coming from carl who by the way i think his career as a motivational speaker is over yeah i mean i'm so curious to know like what like who he is motivating because i it's like not me not america not any of the contestants not katie i feel like fourth graders for a 30 minute assembly on a tuesday you think so yeah i feel like have we done any research i feel like no that's this is all gut reaction but i think when he says motivational speaker he means like he does assemblies for like elementary schools i mean there's a lot of self-proclaimed life coaches relationship dating coaches you know

motivational he's like uh george clooney with the backpack that's who he is george clooney with the backpack you're comparing george clooney what's that movie where he flies all over the place and he's got the backpack and he got to unpack the backpack i'm not sure that is a terrible comparison to carl there wasn't It's the worst motivational speaking. So Carl has founded a company called Next Level Success, his coaching and motivational speaking business. And then he also hosts networking events where business owners can mix and mingle.

Depending on the speaker, a two-hour keynote speech costs between twenty five hundred and ten thousand dollars who pays for that personalized coaching begins at four hundred dollars a month coaching for what to get to the next level to scream at people like here's how to like not win an argument can you imagine just be like hey i'm just i'm gonna take you to the next level what is the next level i mean i don't want to go to the next level with him whatever's next I don't want to see what that is in a room punching no he's like like dead ass like in a boxing match I'm like all right let's relax I think there was one funny quote of the night where it was like um one second Brendan shut the fuck up bro like that was kind of

like a very it was a very comical and he was so intense about it he was like one second shut the fuck up i was like absolutely love this and like this is what i'm watching for and then he had to talk shit about canadians and generalize america as only beer drinking people was that when they were for tickets to the states and some fear beat free beer bro that's my god i love that like that's the direct quote that's amazing i think like and they're like their shit talking date where they had to like go back and forth with each other and like try to insult each other i was like this is embarrassing i don't think i could do it any better because i'd be so under pressure and nervous but it was comical to watch yes a bit

performative right um just when if you $10,000 to get personal coaching from Carl and then you turned on ABC and saw Carl doing this. I'm not going to name names, but someone did something. $10,000 for personal coaching? He's just gaslight everyone. Could you imagine watching the show and you're just like, you paid $7,000 or whatever. According to his website,

the 34 year old has over 15 years of experience in the business world. Was he like 12 when you started? In the business world. Yeah. He was like on the playground. Does it get more specific? Does it get more specific than just saying I've been part of the business world? specific does it get more specific than just saying i've been part of the business world um he posts uh motivational tips and excerpts from his speeches on instagram can we please

quote quote motivate yourself no matter what a setback is a setup for a comeback entrepreneurship isn't for the weak so inspiring like I should bring a tear to my eye. That's $10,000 worth of knowledge right there. And we just got it for free. Got him. We're being hard on him because it's just... I find it to be immoral to have that type of personality and then charge people.

Yeah. It's like stealing money. Can anyone come forward? Like, I don't know. It's criminal to say you have 15 years of experience and then bring that type of knowledge to the table and like stealing people's money. If you are a victim of his motivational speeches,

please come forward right now and we need to figure out. A class action. A class action lawsuit. If you've paid for Carl's motivational speaking please email us at asknick

at castmedia.com cast decay we want to hear your story we are begging for your feedback Tracy's giving you eyes like what am I gonna get we're gonna replace

ask Nick this week with just all of Carl's victims right get on the phone honestly and then we need to bring him in here

to like defend himself but like I don't think there's gonna be much defending it's just a lack of self-awareness he's just gonna start screaming at us and taking people's money i don't know anyway um moving on from from carl yeah these guys truly are just bad smack talkers truly i mean i guess it just speaks to maybe they're just a bunch of nice guys or romance the bromance of it all what was the song bros talk shit to each other all the time and and make fun of each other right like for a group that like says that they are so passionate about i mean you can tell like they do have a real bond but like if you have a real bond with

people it's important to be like i mean for me i'm very sarcastic and very like always going at people like making jokes about it like making jokes about our relationship about them but like that's how you know i love you if i'm like you know coming at you with these like snarky remarks yeah tease tease because you love right so to speak they had the woe woe challenge conversation why yeah what what their obsession with bringing up that weird who and michael was the one who was like he was like yeah i was that was first he's like owning up right to it i was like that made me like him even more that he was like open to talk about that i was kind of loving that yeah i think it was great i just didn't understand why they it was bad then it's bad now it was never. I just didn't understand why they, it was bad then, it's bad now.

It was never a funny bit. What are the origins of the name? I think it's because it showed Michael's personality. They named it, like they randomly named it some weird title. There was no purpose for it. There was nothing to gain or lose, which is why Michael-

Remember, Katie, dildo, dildo, Katie, sex, branding, no masturbating. No, I get that, but Katie- And then we're going to call this the wo-wo challenge? I mean, whether Katie made that up and said that remember katie dildo dildo katie sex branding no masturbating no i get that but i mean whether whether katie made that up and said that or it was a producer saying let's i don't know it just but they brought i'm just surprised they brought it up at the tell-all like it didn't land when it first got brought up and then they had the guys kind of weirdly talk about who did or didn't do this. And I credit for Michael.

It was like the only one who probably could have like talked about it without coming across as potentially where it'd be like, yeah, fuck it. Like the stamina conversation, because all those things showed the back smack talking, the bad smack talking, the whoa,

whoa challenge. All those things showed a different side of Michael's personality that we didn't get to see. His funny side, him being crazy and being fun, which is stuff we didn't get to see. So it could be stuff if they're thinking about him from Bachelor. They're 100% thinking about him. I mean, like, and again, if it's not Michael, I don't think the choice is, like, choice is not obvious.

Was he having a back-to-back with, I think it might have been Aaron and Michael having a back-to-back with i think it might have been aaron and uh michael having a back-to-back but who had longer stamina and you could just see like michael was so much wanting to just like start laughing and i just love to see that little like goofy side of him because like you've made me laugh you've made me cry like i don't know what like i love you now like maybe i am here for him for the bachelor yeah they're are. Yeah. They're going to. Well, unless that's the thing. If they do make him The Bachelor, they won't. It won't be as heavy because for the reasons why a lot of people aren't. Like, it's too much for people.

It's different when you're having short moments and sharing those moments with a bunch of different guys. So, like, yes, you're going to see other aspects. And he clearly has a nice sense of humor he's a um like the more i think about it like it would be a great opener of like you know this is such a great story like he you know wants to find love he's finally like coming back into his show like he wants to be fun be flirty and you know we have so many sides to him that you know we saw so many last night, but, you know, we always are getting something new with him. So it might be a good choice.

Yeah. Casting my vote now. Trey wants to interject to say that he's heard people saying everyone's, you know, we've said this, maybe Trey's referring to this podcast. Who knows? But Trey was like, I've heard people say that's you know we've said this maybe trey's referring to this podcast who knows but trey was like i've heard people say that everyone thinks about this and i'm here to say that i and again i just want to remind people we're accusing thomas of thinking about the possibility of being the bachelor and i i will i will never be able to prove it but i still don't

believe trey that the idea of what it would be like to be the Bachelor never crossed his mind. Totally. Like, last night I was thinking that, and I have an opinion. Like, I just think that if you're going on the show, like, obviously those are going to be, like, the first, like, five thoughts you have. Like, I feel like, number one, like, how are people going to perceive me? Number two, am I going to really, like, fall in love with her? What am I going to do if i don't and then three like you know this could end in me being the bachelor and people like really rooting for me am i ready for that like i think those are like very natural thoughts to

think and i don't think that's means you're in it for the wrong reason i think that just means you're being like a logical smart person yeah when trey said that did you because a lot of people like oh yeah cheer did you believe it Or do you think it's BS? I mean, I think that, like I said, like, I feel like it's, I think they are there. Like if you're coming on the bachelor, like you think that you might have a chance to be there. So like, I'm, that's my side. Yeah.

Uh, and then I guess like Thomas finally, well katie what you wanted like what you had a you have strong opinions yeah it was like so i i don't know i feel like i went into the season being like i don't really know how this is gonna go and then i got on team katie because i i really liked her in the beginning episodes and then i was like throughout the season i was like i don't know and then with the tell-all i was just like she seemed really cold cold out of it like just even when like the guys were speaking directly to her like they could be apologizing they could be saying how much like trey was even saying he's like you reminded me you know what i mean like you're gonna help me with future relationships

like he had nothing but nice things to say to her and she was like thanks trey she was giving me very much like hr energy like it's like i'm being fired right now like and she's like thank you so much for coming in but unfortunately like we're gonna have to let you go i'm like i don't know she was just being like not like these guys were there for her like exactly and i was like they're complimenting her like left and right specifically the michael interaction yeah dull to everyone i felt like yeah it was very especially when like the whole you know she's crying to send michael home what could have been and katie's in a tough position like it's tough to be in that it's nervous you have a whole bunch of people guys you quote unquote dated you don't know if they're going to come after you if they're going to come after you, if they're going to applaud you. You know, history tells you that, you know,

on The Bachelorette, the guys will bring up The Bachelorette and then when it's the other way around, they tend to go after The Bachelor a little bit. But she doesn't know that. And we don't know if Katie's in a relationship or not, et cetera, et cetera. So you always have to tread lightly on how much you give in to the, like,

I'd still date you if you wanted to date me. tread lightly on how much you give in to they're like i'd still date you if you wanted to date me but it was it it does it came across as rehearsed and very like media like trained person that's like saying these statements like she had a teleprompter in front of her making sure she didn't like fuck up and say the wrong thing it kind of it felt like teleprompter responses from Katie. Yeah. And yeah. So Thomas finally comes on. He gives an interview.

Again, I think Thomas is I'd give Thomas a six, six or seven out of 10. He mostly said all the things he should say. He apologized. He owned it. And then he should have just stopped. I wish he would have just said, I wish he wouldn't have like said all the things I said to you. I felt cause that's kind of what you were apologizing for. Right.

Which is kind of saying too much to too fast. So it was like, and that's when you kind of got some of the eye rolls from the guys. Um, So it was like, and that's when you kind of got some of the eye rolls from the guys. The energy for sure shifted when he just like came up on the screen. Very uncomfortable. Yeah. And I don't get like also going back to Katie talking. It was also weird.

Why did Katie and Carl? Why did Katie? Katie almost explained to Carl more than anyone else her decision to send Carl home. You know what I'm saying? She talked to Carl more. She talked to Michael or to anyone else. And maybe it's because she, again, you could argue that maybe she was uncomfortable with Michael. She didn't want to seem like she was still having any feelings.

And maybe she was more guarded with Michael. There's that. But I just find it weird that why are we explaining to fucking carl like we don't know why we sent you home we don't need an answer of why you sent carl home like we know america knows yeah we're good like good on that we need some information on like the other people and and for you to give a genuine response i think it was like andrew and michael like they both like maybe like share their sentiments to her and like they're like this has been great and then she's like oh my god thank you so much and she said multiple times to carl but you were right you were right and i didn't love that because i don't think carl was talking about

thomas there didn't they like blow kisses at each other or give some sort of like katie and carl yeah like after they after like she was like you were right though like and i was like and like carl kiss yeah i mean listen we all know katie you know came on the podcast and we talked a lot about thomas and she she was hard on thomas she said she basically warned all the girls in paradise to stay away from thomas that was a you know what that's how she feels she has a right to feel that way her explanation for that was because she was apparent like her she said is because thomas said that he was mean to trey was the only kind of real reason she gave us other than the things that we saw on the show for me to like, okay, well, have you ever been mean to anyone would be my,

you know, kind of response, but she has strong opinions for, for, for Thomas. And she is, is not backing away from that. And it was weird to,

again, the conversation with Carl to like, you were right, but you were right. You just, you know, you were right about you were right you just you know you were right about thomas and it it seemed to be very convenient for carl even when carl said that beginning of the podcast he's like well obviously it was fucking thomas and it was like you i still don't i don't

see it i don't believe it i did want to talk about one other thing please if you're not going to bring it up so it is the um the proposal that we got from caitlin like her little behind the scenes of her proposal just like not to put you on the spot but also to put you on the spot like is that how you're planning on proposing to natalie on the podcast in these very seats maybe yeah okay yeah kind of excited just do it for the ratings no i mean i think it'd be great like it kind of be a fun girl ever i mean they know they met on that podcast for context that's why you heard jason say that also i just thought it was a weird bit like let's like i was like are we trying to buy time because

anyone who actually like is a fan of caitlin like we all saw that on the instagram story we all saw that all over pop culture everything it's a host fulfillment in the contract that's what it is that was it did like that was the first time i had watched it because i i started the bachelor like recaps a couple years ago but that was the first time i kind of like dove into a little bit of like more of her relationship i was getting like a little bit of chills like i was like this is good and when he started choking up i was like oh my god this is kind. Like I was like, this is good. And when he started choking up, I was like, Oh my God, this is kind of cute. It was a sweet moment.

And to answer your question, Allie, like not everyone looks at her Instagram stories or listens to her podcast. So like if you're Caitlin, of course you want that to, you know, because it gets people to go to watch. Yeah.

Right. It's like, Oh, what is this? I kind of want to watch now. It is a tell all. It's a tell all that doesn't have Thomas being a part of it. I mean,'s a tell-all that like has to have cody come on and talk about you know like they're clearly the tell historically kind of reaches for drama because you know they're trying

to make a two-hour show out of something that a lot of it is and then you know not that compelling and then you again you don't't have Thomas there for whatever reason. And if Thomas was there, you would have got 20 minutes of the guys screaming at Thomas and then Thomas trying to defend himself. I wish, like, yes, we got an update with Caitlin, but, like, where's the update that we really need, which is Zach and Tayshia?

Like, I needed maybe him to come out and say, like... Like, are they still together? It's kind of, like, a little spooky little spooky like we've gotten their update with Caitlyn but like you know I know there'd been rumors about them not being together and then she'll post him on his Instagram store or post him on her Instagram story and like everything's good for like a couple days and then people get concerned but do you follow them I do well I follow Tayshia and I follow a little bit into the drama I'm in some facebook groups where i just get like the latest you know what's going on no of course so like celeb spottings

and just like the daily news updates anything i need to know um but yeah so i'm very intrigued by their relationship and i think that they may currently be together but i did think if we are going to give caitlin that same moment like why not give Tayshia, especially we're coming off of her season. It's just like that's a little bit more like what I'm concerned about. Because Caitlin's agent was better. Yeah, no, literally. Like who had the best deal? It is a proposal and engagement for Jason and Caitlin.

I know. It's just Bachelor related. It's Bachelor related. Tayshia too? It's like I need an update there. So I'm just I'm requesting that next time. Yeah, I guess to the point of like how like Jason and Caitlin were there on the season. So I guess it's just in comparison.

And granted, like Caitlin and Jason have been together for longer. But I think it's a little bit weird that we did see Caitlin's partner in a way that we very much did not see Zach. When he's more recent and we still recognize him. And like beautiful couple. Like I want to see like more of them. I need a little bit of that content, like content there. So just my personal. Yeah. I don't, I don't, I don't know anything about their relationship other than from what you hear. It seems to be something they. I'll invite you to the Facebook groups facebook update you from time to time is like don't worry we're still together and that's i mean but maybe zach could be a more

private person maybe zach doesn't want like it's none of my business i have his relationship you know caitlin and jason are kind of like a brand together as opposed to taja is making her own brand yeah and does that affect, you know, who knows? There's a lot of possibilities. People do stay together longer than they like. Everyone does. And I have no idea what's going on with Tayshia and Zach, but there could be, you know, even Caitlin and Sean,

when they broke up, kind of acknowledged that, you know, by the time we heard about it it was had been over for a while but there is a genuine fear so who knows keep us updated no i'll definitely keep you guys posted tristan um so we got the the season uh what i want to do is kind of to close this off i wanted to hear we're going to just kind of do this as we end the season. We got three guys left. We got Justin. Big surprise. But Justin is now.

Do we even realize? Can we just note? Justin is in the top three now. So weird. It's also wild that we're already down here. Like when we were talking about doing this episode, I was like, we're already to the mental law. Like it feels like it is just absolutely flown by.

And everyone who I've told that the mental laws this week, they're like what like it just seems very quick because i guess she cut out a lot of people it's a different it's just a different season with how it's all all going so we got justin we got greg and we have blake who wins how does this go down? We have... Clearly in the preview, there seems to be a lot of drama between Greg and Katie. Well, at least Greg and Katie is... It ends with Katie saying, book my ticket home.

Katie on this podcast said there is a villain worse than Thomas. We know how she feels about Thomas. Spooky. What do we think happens? So here's the thing. Like, I don't, I want to say, like, I think her, Katie and Blake,

are probably perfect for each other. Like, I don't think that I, I mean, I like them both, like, separately, but I don't, like, I wouldn't say I'm, like, a stan. I'm, like, I'm a hardcore fan. Of Katie and Blake. Yeah, well, I mean, I like them both like separately, but I don't like, I wouldn't say I'm like a stan. I'm like, I'm a hardcore fan. Of Katie and Blake. Yeah. Well, I mean, separately.

Together, I think that they may work more. So I think my like official prediction, just like here, and I don't read spoilers. I love to like, when people like try to spoil it in my DMs, I'm so sad. But I think she's going to end up with Blake. And then I feel like Greg might like get to pack in next week and go home. Who do you think? Who sends? Does Katie send Greg home?

Or does Greg send himself? I don't know. I'd kind of be interested in maybe a snapback from Greg. And just maybe he gets a little bit like he goes off the deep end. And he's just like maybe has a little freak out. But who knows? And then Justin.in's just like having a snack break yeah what he's just in the break room getting like coffee he's like i'm still here holy shit we're on a show oh my god it's in the teaser his family was like you've got two weeks

bro you don't have a long time i love that that was funny i don't know who that is if it's a brother or a friend or whatever but i love the and i really wanted like i'm so sad like that the i assume they're not doing it this year like going to their hometowns but like no i love looking into like other people's homes and i just like to imagine like everything that's in there like especially when i go into like people's homes i don't know i just like to like there's this thing on tiktok where you go into someone's bathroom and you open up the drawer and there's like a surprise thing of shots it's like oh since you were already looking through all of my stuff here's a free shot or something like that so don't worry i didn't look at anything in your house so we're okay i mean maybe i did but i was doing fake workouts at

nick's home because he has an entire gym in the backyard um and i'm not very good at the workouts but it's kind of funny comical i think you did great you can teach me what uh predictions from the panel over here i'm like already so confused. Like this season is just wild and I'm confused how we have one more episode before the finale. Right. What are you confused about?

Like I'm just like, I just feel like we have so much to jam in to like, we have one episode and then the finale. There's only three guys left. I know, but it just seems very rushed.

Very rushed. We have hometowns, we have fantasy suites. It's fantasy suites and then you have the finale but hometowns too oh yeah you're right we have to do all their families then she has to go you're right yeah we got a lot to do also but you're hometowns and fantasy suites into one episode and in a traditional season yes but as we keep we've heard it's gonna be like willy wonka and the chocolate factory like all the parents in the bed together like this about it you have you have three guys left but you still have

hometowns right and hometowns could easily be like just meeting the families maybe we skip the whole like let's recreate like new york and yeah in new mexico like maybe they skip that you know maybe it's just like listen let's i just this is about meeting families it's a group date all the families meet each other that would be kind of amazing and then we have fantasy suites my guess is katie's not gonna even you know despite the fuck fuck mary fun that we had right my guess is there's a there's a possibility one guy doesn't make it into the fantasy suites or you know something like that so those are those are scenarios that could you know shorten it where they don't need three episodes to do hometowns fantasy suites of the finale right they still only have three guys left so like it what if what

happens if we go to hometowns and you know you know something the the whatever whatever happens with greg happens earlier on i don't know. It could be happen later. Maybe Justin's like, why am I still hearing Katie finally? You know, like we've seen this before where like this happens every season, happens multiple times a season where a guy is almost surprised he's still there. And then he goes up to Lee and says, like Brendan did that. Hey, why am I still hearing? Katie's like, well, now that you've reminded me you're here,

now I finally realize I don't have feelings for you it's time to send you home that could easily happen with um but here's what I yeah I mean she clearly has strong feelings for Greg she clearly likes Blake it's unclear about Justin maybe we haven't seen it but whatever happens with greg or blake the drama and it seems like it's going to be gray is going to then uh if assuming she doesn't like quit the show then it's going to make her focus on a singer relationship and go hyper drive into that person kind of i.e desert ray season of way back when when brooks left and then she, and there was this Drew guy, really handsome fan favorite,

but she was like, listen, I don't know. It's, I don't like you. And she sent him home. And I think it's going to be something like, like that.

I'm just begging that, you know, like when I hear them announce on next week's three hour episode, I'm like, I mean, you're shipping me. It's like, I always do that.

I know, but it's always like giving me such a pit. I'm like, you mean we shipping me it's like i always do that i know but it's always like giving me such a pit i'm like you mean we have to stay here for absolute three hours yeah it's exhausting i need them to pack as much in there as possible you're gonna have next week's episode and then you'll have the two hour finale plus a one hour taped after the final rose it's the content of it as a live recapper it is just like very taxing out of me like oh my god my job is so hard but like we get it it's yeah i mean you have to like sit there and like take notes and like pay attention to every single detail so it's like and then you also want to like watch the show

for your own enjoyment so when i hear like you know three to four hours of like just live being on it's like kind of exhausting but it's fun mean, I enjoy it because they keep showcasing. So when you were talking about like the last three, because they keep showcasing, Katie keeps saying like, I don't want to say I love you. And to the last person, because that was such a big theme.

I'm wondering if maybe that's a situation with Greg is that he needs that in order to continue. Maybe he leaves. Blake is like, I'm kind of falling in love with you. She ends up with Blake. And Justin's like, I'm not there yet. So he goes.

Possible. That's a good one. The fact that they had Katie say that in a preview, it will be part of the story. Yeah. She talked to Tasia about it too. I only say this to one person will in some way shape or form be play a role in the outcome in katie's decision you know yeah and maybe like she was like book

my ticket home maybe she's like says i love you the person and and greg's like i don't feel that same way about you no she's like i've said i was only gonna say it to one so i guess the season's over maybe that's what happens greg's like, maybe I want to go to paradise. I don't know. Yeah, it'll be really interesting if Greg does send himself home. I think we all kind of predict that. And again, we're basing this off

what Katie said on our podcast and what we're seeing on the show. I'm really interested in how that plays out. You mentioned Greg has a lot of stands and fans. If Katie really believes that Greg is as much of a villain as Thomas, how will Katie approach that? It'll be interesting. We'll find out.

We will find out. Tristan, thank you so much for joining us it's been an absolute pleasure it's been so much fun uh let people know where they can enjoy your recaps on your social and where they can find you and all that fun stuff absolutely so down um you can find me on instagram at tristan underscore watson um Bachelor recaps every single Monday night. I go live sometimes after that. Also, I'm getting into TikTok. Not great at the dances,

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