The Viall Files - E31 Getting a Drink with Tyler Cameron

Episode Date: July 31, 2019

Straight from The Bachelorette’s After The Final Rose, Tyler Cameron joins us in the studio to unpack it all. He opens up about his first heartbreak, he shares a hilarious story about where he was when he found out he was going on the show, and we finally solve the mystery of the salmon jackets. Then we play "Do You Know Me?” with Tyler and take questions from fans.Use those loofahs, give love a second chance, and stay grounded. Be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode. Donate to Nick’s campaign for cystic fibrosis: https://finest.cff.org/walkthepurplecarpet/nickviall Thank you to our sponsors:BOMBAS: https://bombas.com/viall CHEERS: https://takecheers.com/viall  FRANK AND OAK: https://www.frankandoak.com/viall  EMBARK: https://embarkvet.com CODE: VIALL See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

you're crazy welcome to a very special episode of vile files well i mean rochelle is currently having an orgasm i've never seen you like this i've. I've never seen you this worked out. Truly, there was that moment out there where Nick was like, just do it. I mean, you were just literally bouncing off walls. Nick's like, where do I go? What do I do?

Nick's like, you need to calm down. Tyler is coming up in an elevator as we speak. I've had the pleasure of meeting the young man. Shug and Rochelle have not yet. They're very excited. He's coming straight from AFR, having just maybe, maybe he's in a relationship with Hannah. I don't know. Oh my God.

We don't know yet, but I'm very excited. Tyler's our first male straight guest. Wow. On the show. We have never had, we've had Brad, my buddy Brad, but Brad is gay, which is great. But we've never had a straight male on this show before. He's breaking that cherry. We're going to start having more straight males,

but Tyler, we were saving it for a special moment. You don't want to just give it away. More special than Tyler, who's quite honestly, I've never seen a Bachelor contestant be so adored by everyone. It's been hard for Nick. I really quite like Tyler, but yes. Needless to say, I did not have quite the same first season experience as tyler every time we say he's only good about tyler nick's like he just walked in we were watching he just walked in

so yeah for those of you i feel like you have to say this for some of our i'm assuming we're getting some new guests listening to this show because of tyler uh check us out you know thanks for popping i feel like again like the priest on easter and christmas morning he's like hey guys you know we're here 52 weeks out of the year we're doing some good things even not on like the other holidays check us out the other episodes uh we talk a lot about relationships and dating it's a very insightful and fun and hannah was on hannah was on go back and check that out those same people probably checked it out but for those of you didn't you know we're doing a lot of great things we also do some questions after tyler leaves some relationship questions shug hasn't gotten laid in a while and was really projecting this episode

it's a lot of fun uh so check us out but But thanks for tuning in. We're excited to get to Tyler. And Nick's raising money for Cystic Fibrosis. We are raising money for Cystic Fibrosis. If it's in your heart, there'll be a link on the show notes. There is a link. Help save Rochelle's sister's life. Oh, God. Yes.

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NHOILS.com, so if you're looking for any type of essential oil relief, you need to sleep better, you have a headache. You need to rest out because Tyler's coming on the podcast. Speaking of which, I just have to say one thing to Michelle because she's so caught up. Her panties are going crazy. you can't see him through the window but i can right now

and honey he is still in that suit he's wearing that suit i told him he could change i don't if he brought something to change him i hope not anyways uh without further ado let's should we get to tyler or should we just no rachelelle's like, fuck, I just want to hold him. Hold him. I want to hold him. Well, yeah. So anyways, Tyler, everybody. You're really pretty.

What a strong start. You are too, my man. Well, thank you. That means a lot coming from you, Tyler. Those nipples are cute. I saw cuter ones earlier, but those are cute. There you go. He's still on his game, as we see.

Well, thanks for coming. This is Tyler's first podcast, so we're going to ease into it. We'll get into kind of tonight and AFR, but I think most people want to just get to know Tyler. Before the show, all this, you know. I do have to ask, ask like how has it been i've never you've had quite the run and a unique run relative to most people in your shoes there's always fan favorites every year there's you know a couple you know guys specifically if it's a bachelorette

that are just like oh yeah we love him but you've had quite the run and yet you know when i met you very level-headed, down to earth. Like, what has it been like for you? It's been a crazy journey. It's, you know, I never would have expected it to be this, you know. But I test a lot of it to my parents. You know, my mom and pops have always kind of kept me level-headed and humble. And my dad always, you know, made sure that I always took my time out of my day

to make sure I thank everybody for coming or being a part of it. So that's kind of how I've been able to handle this. And I think football has been a big help with this too as well. What did you expect it to be? Not like this. I had no idea. It's been – I don't know. I had no expectations coming into this.

So I would just kind of feel it out, see what happens and take it day by day. And that's kind of how I took this whole journey. The football aspect of it, because you competed collegiately and then you had a little bit of a run in the NFL, which is- Very small stint. That's more than most. But I mean, we've talked about this before you even came but you you know one thing you were this season you were always incredibly poised and I mean for someone who obviously cared for Hannah and had a relationship with her even when the stakes are high and having been through that world you were always just poised and on you think that came from when you say a football

helped a lot you think that was it and i'm talking specifically during filming rochelle will do this from she brings up yeah um you know i think my time you know lumps i took playing quarterback in college and high school you know never was much have much of a winning record in my collegiate quarterback career or high school career to be honest but uh it's taught me to you know take the highs and the lows and and just stay level-headed you can never be too high you can never be too low and that's kind of how I take things I'm I think I'm a very laid-back kind of person and and whatever comes out my way I just kind of been thankful that I've had a calming effect when adversity hits me and I can kind of just take things and roll with it. So you played quarterback in college?

Yeah. For my first three years, I played quarterback at Wake Forest and then I transferred to tight end, transferred schools and played tight end. Okay. That's it. That's quite the shift. Yeah. It was a big change.

It was fun. What made you want to do that? I mean, as a football guy, I'm kind of interested. Yeah. No. When I transferred schools, we had a senior quarterback and he was like the captain of the team already. He was an awesome guy.

And I just wanted to help out the team any way I could, and I felt like there was a need at tight end. Of course. Of course you did. Just so great. And I just wanted to play football. I didn't play much my first three years at Wake Forest, and I just wanted to play football.

So they put me there, and they tried me out, and the rest was kind of history. You did, obviously, pretty damn well. Yeah. I'm an effort guy. I always give you my best effort and they love that about me and that's what kept me in the mix. That's awesome.

So let's go back all the way to the beginning of when you were born. No, I'm just kidding. You're from Florida? Yeah, I'm a Florida boy. Okay. And you were there your whole life? Yeah. Yeah, besides my three years in North Carolina for school. Okay but uh yeah ford a boy through and through all right and then you went

to wake forest and you transferred and then how did you end up on the show so uh i was i was i was cut from the ravens and uh after that i gave it uh i gave it another year year of training and trying to play football. I went to this developmental league called the Spring League. And the first play of the last game, I blew out my shoulder. And the next day, I got dumped, and deservingly so. By a woman, not a coach? Yeah, by both, probably. But I got hurt.

It was right before NFL camp started. So pretty much I was done for. it was like right before nfl camp started so it was pretty much i was done for i was like eight week recovery and uh and then the next day my girlfriend broke up with me and oh my god how long how long was uh that relationship for um that relationship for was about a year and a half okay why do you say diverse does it really so because you're a nice humble guy just because uh like when when I got cut from the Ravens, that kind of put me in my darkest hole I ever was. I can't imagine. Because for, I don't know, since I was five years old,

I wanted to be a pro football player. And that was my whole dream. And then I got cut from the Ravens, and I kind of just went in a dark hole, in a dark spot. That's tough. So I wasn't really, you know in a dark hole in a dark spot and uh so uh i wasn't really you know like i saw a lot this season with hannah was like so many people were taken from her and not giving back to her and i felt like you know when i was taking so much from my ex and because she was trying to

give so much to pull me out of that hole and then out at the end of it you know uh she broke up with me and and then i stood back and like a you know, she broke up with me, and then I stood back, and like a month later, I really saw the toll I took on her because I was so in my head about football and just not being as good to her as I could have been. Was she kind of that kind of classic always by your side through the whole kind of journey of going to the NFL and the struggle? She was always there for me, a super sweet girl, and just, you know, being, you know, not achieving my goals,

just put myself in a really bad mental place. And she tried her best. And I just, you know, really just had a hard time, you know, coping with football and not working out. And really just wasn't the best boyfriend, wasn't that attentive, didn't really give her my all. And she ended things with her, and it was a big lesson for me. I would never – I believe she put so much value into me,

and I didn't give none back. And then I had such a hard time with Hannah's season because I saw so many guys taking so much value from her, like taking away these cocktail parties and taking away from her moods and just putting her in bad places. And seeing that from afar, it would get me fired up because she she doesn't deserve that and neither did my ex deserve that as well so you know i i always believe if someone gives you value you got to give give back even more so i mean that's interesting you to for you to say because i mean obviously you've had this kind

of run people have seen that but for you to kind of not necessarily own up but you know you didn't have to say that and talk about that and show that awareness i mean but also you to kind of not necessarily own up but you know you didn't have to say that and talk about that and show that awareness i mean but also you know i think every relationship learning experience yeah every relationship you learn and that was a big learning lesson for me and i'm thankful and grateful for my relationship with her and even for this relationship with hannah you know is that your first serious relationship that was my first time ever dating somebody oh okay wow yeah so really like you had that relationship and then you pretty much how many months after you broke up this is important nowadays

so that was so that was in april uh we broke up in april and uh a year yeah so so i was in the clear oh you didn't get cut that long ago from the Ravens. It was two seasons. I think it was two seasons ago at this point. Huh. Wow. So now it gets back to our story. I applied to this show.

No, I was just a broke jock at this point. And so I had like two more classes to finish up my MBA. And I was studying for accounting too and finance too. and one day i was like taking it yeah i'm a big i'm accounting fan i'm an accounting major myself tyler i'm a big accounting fan you don't have your mba though i don't you have yeah and you have your mba yeah yeah so that fifth year i did not so uh i saw like a i don't know i saw something come up one day and I applied for it. And then I saw what else I could apply for. I applied for the WWE, but they never got back to me.

I was pissed. Amazing. I was pissed. Hey, WWE. I actually have some friends who are former. I have some friends on the inside too. I feel like we can make this happen, Tyler. I was trying to run around in a red Speedo like Ric Flair.

What would be your character? I love that. Ric Flair was my guy. Okay, but you can't be Ric Flair 2.0. You've got to have thought of a name. What would your name be? Would you be a good guy? You'd be a good guy.

You can't be a bad guy. He wouldn't want to be a bad guy. And what's his name? He'd be like, no, no. You'd pirouette into the ring. Yeah, screw dancing with the stars so wow

so like so it was like a funny joke I always tell my boys I was like oh the Bachelorette got back to me but WWE didn't

so and now it's kind of snowballed and here I am sitting with you you applied you applied I applied

yeah you know it's interesting. I do see more and more guys applying now. How was it on your season? Did guys talk about that? Did a lot of guys apply? I think majority was guys that they seeked out. They got sought out.

Yeah. That's how it usually is for the men, I think. I don't know. I think at least half the guys get scouted. A lot of friends sign them up. Did Luke P. get scouted? We're not worrying about Luke. Okay, sorry.

We're not worrying about Luke. P. who shall not be named. I mean, we've talked about Luke enough. And here you are. Tell me about this dancing. Why didn't you finish? Your credit, man. It's like, talk about life regrets.

There's still time. Don't break the bond. So why did I finish the minor? Yeah. I kind of had like a football thing come up where I needed to graduate

and get out. So I took as many dance classes as I could to get out. But I had to take like 25 credits in my last semester to graduate and get out and go transfer schools.

Was that one of those things that you took because it was an elective to like, which is kind of cool, but it seems that you liked it my first semester in college i got a 1.8 and uh i graduated high school early and then went to college early in that first semester i just had a hard time i had shoulder

surgery like this graduate high school early yeah for football for football and then uh i had shoulder surgery like my my like in february so like within like three weeks into school, I had a shoulder surgery. And I couldn't do spring football, which was the reason why I graduated early. So I was bummed. And I got like a 44% in my econ class. But the guy was cool and gave me a D. So that helped my GPA a little bit. And then I got kicked out of my English class for plagiarism.

Ooh. Yeah. When did you plagiarize? We have a question coming up for a game we're playing. I'm going to have to ask a new question. Yeah. One of the questions is, has Tyler ever cheated on a test before? Yes.

I have. I just need to know, what did you plagiarize? So, it was some book that I was supposed to read and didn't read too much on. And so, I had to take the l on that one and got the f in the class so the net that next summer everyone used to go home from lake forest for football like really the one of the only schools that guys got like the first half of summer off and uh so i had to stay though like me like four of the student like four of the football guys had to stay and they put me in like three dance classes or two dance classes in the theater class and uh i just really stuck to the dance classes and had a blast so i took like ballet

hip-hop african dance hip-hop yeah do you have do you know a few routines uh i can act a fool when it's on so yeah i don't know if it's a routine but it's more just me acting crazy there's like these hip-hop classes in la that people take we yeah i'd go to it we'd ever you want to go with me one day i kind of want to do let's go yeah we'll go we'll go on a hip-hop date that's great man uh but well before we get into tonight i know like i i had i had the pleasure of meeting tyler a couple times uh in new york uh specifically because um he's doing some great things already which i i think is pretty cool i mean again too i don't know if this is from a football standpoint but just kind of having the awareness to use your platform so quickly uh it's pretty cool and he's

got uh abc foods abc food tours abc food tours that uh it's pretty cool the first time i met tyler so i wasn't sure what it was so first what he he's doing this abc well tours that uh it's pretty cool the first time i met tyler so i wasn't sure what it was so first what he he's doing this abc well why don't you tell people what abc food tours is first so abc food tours is uh is something that me and my buddy matt started matt was kind of the whole idea behind it and once he told me about it i hopped on it right away and been with him since day one so we started two februaries ago. And so it's been fun. You know, it started out as what we were going to do was we were going to give tourists tours,

and that tour was going to be like a Tom's Method where you buy a tour, then that tour gives it back to another student. And it kind of, everyone saw what we were doing with the students. People just started sponsoring tours and didn't care about coming on the food tours. So we just started putting all of our focus on working with the kids and mentoring the kids.

And so what we do is we take these kids on fitness and food excursions throughout the city and surround them with people from different career paths. Because a lot of the kids we work with, you know, suffer from homelessness or come from tough areas. And we ask them what they want to be. They all say, I want to be a football player. I want to be a basketball player. I want to be a rapper. Well, we want to show them that there's more than just that

and get them around people that do that stuff. So that's kind of what we focus on. She's over here just crying. I'm so proud of you. That's so wonderful. I appreciate it. That's true. I'm crying.

I'm just moved. I'm moved. I'm just so pleased. Honor period. Well, it's not here yet, but it's coming. And I just have to say, like, you really are such a wonderful example. And you have been through this whole season and getting to know you and hearing all of this now, like the roots and the experiences and your awareness of even your, you know, emotional exchange with your ex-girlfriend that you lost. You know, it's just you're really learning, but you're taking those lessons into account.

I'll stop. No, it's great. I just, I'm moved. I'm moved. It's great. And so, yeah, so you have this platform, you're doing great things. And then I met Tyler. He was like, hey, do you want to help with an aspect of the ABC food tours?

I'm like, yeah, sure, man. I was in New York. And he's like, all right, sure. Like, show up to this address and i'm like yeah great and then i show up and i didn't realize and to hit tyler's credit is that tyler because these these people donate yeah um for the the cause right and as a way to say thank you uh you and matt um yeah are would would go and make them dinner yeah um right and so so tyler gives me an address and so again i mean a lot of them end up being bachelor probably during the season a lot of people donating are obviously going to be bachelor fans and so he's going to these random fans houses not knowing who they are and so i show he's just like go and i i got there early

ty was a little late i was late i appreciate nick so much because he sat there and he was patient i was like i'm at this building and i'm like i didn't know what to because again i didn't know he was doing this aspect of it so i wasn't sure if we were gonna like meet some kids or what i wasn't sure about this one aspect and so these these people coming in this one girl stops and goes wait are you you're you're nick and i'm like yeah she's like are you here with with tyler i'm like yeah oh yeah yeah okay i'm thinking tyler just must know this person she's like well why don't you come up and she was just kind of looking like she didn't know what was going on either and i was kind of confused

and she's like well yeah no tyler and i are like best friends i'm like oh okay so i walk up to the building with her i'm like also how long have you known tyler she's like no i was just lying i'm just kidding but she was kind of nervous she was one of she was a friend of the girl who who donated so anyways we all she ended up it was this kind of a funny thing and i gave her a hard time but we all went in there and and they made. I helped out a little bit. And I mean, I just gave Tyler a lot of credit because he puts him, he was immersing himself in kind of, it's,

it's, it's a lot to like get a lot of questions and everyone's super chill, but it's, it's, it's all, I was like, wow, you do this all the time.

But you really do seem like someone who is just taking it as it comes. And, and there's no sense of like, I don't know, fear of any of this. Like, like i think you're are you just making the most of it are you nervous at all about all of this energy that's coming towards you um it's been crazy you know but uh you know i look at everyone else no different than i am just i'm just a regular ass dude you know and that's how i always going to see myself and and i try to you know when and that's how I always going to see myself. And, and I try to, you know, when I would get around people, I wanted them to see that too. You know, I'm nothing, I'm no different than them. I put my pants on the same way you do. And that's how

it's going to be just because I was on the show. It doesn't make me no different than you. No, it's great. And I mean, and I say this because I don't, there's a lot of, I've met a lot of people who have been in our position. Um, and I, and I've gotten to know you a little bit and there's sincerity there and I've gotten to know you and like there are there are a lot of people in this world there's a lot of great people but there's a lot of people who don't have that self-awareness and they get inundated this world and their head explodes and they have kind of a inflated sense of self and expectation of what this world is and tyler seems to be very little headed and at the same time you're already doing things with it which i I – Well, you throw three interceptions against Florida State

and you get level-headed pretty quickly. I mean, I guess in a way that maybe – I mean, was that at Florida State? That was at home. Okay. But still. But all those things, you know, has allowed me to kind of navigate through this and keep my head down.

And I got to say, I got great friends and great family that, you know, has allowed me to kind of navigate through this and, you know, keep my head down. I got to say, I got great friends and great family that, you know, have been there through this whole process that have, you know, helped me and get me through this and talk me through this. And, you know, I just I'm so grateful for them and have them by my side because without them, you know, it would be a lot different, I feel like. Yeah. You post a lot with your friend Katie. Katie. Yeah. Everyone gives a lot with your friend Katie. Is that her name? Katie, yeah. Yeah. Everyone gives her hell.

Really? Yeah. By who, Katie? So Katie is like one of my, like, I've known her since I was in seventh grade. So she's like a, like a fan? She's best friend. Yeah, best friend.

Oh, are your fans a little savage? What? Yeah, everyone, she, I'll give you a good backstory on katie so katie is katie uh i peck kissed katie ninth grade on new year's and uh after that never had a shot ever again but i don't know have you have you have you had a crush on her throughout over no no i mean okay you know in high school maybe a little bit okay but but even then has she turned you down in high school yeah that was it that was my last shot but uh she's always been like but she's always

been someone who's like been so dear to me and such a true friend and and through and through and i've like been there for you know everything i've kind of gone through and i'm so thankful and grateful for her like she's amazing she was she was just announced as a teacher of the year for palm beach county and it was like her and five other teachers and and and what's so cool is like She was just announced as Teacher of the Year for Palm Beach County. Wow. And it was like her and five other teachers. And what's so cool is like all the teachers, like everyone stands up like, oh, I've been teaching for 20 years, 23 years. She goes, this is my first year.

Oh, my goodness. She was teacher of the year. Yeah. What made her so special? I mean, other than she's a – I walked into her class. I went to her class at the end of the year. And she just does so many amazing things.

She has like a whole class economy that she set up with her kids. And the kids can – What grade? Fourth grade. Fourth grade, I believe. Class economy. I like that. Yeah.

And so schools, they don't give – they give like a – basically a C through an A is what they give you. It's like a PR, like proficient or whatever. And so what she does for a she gives you she pays you money and that money you can use to rent your desk or you can work up and buy your desk one day and buy someone else's desk and the more money you have you can buy stuff from the treasure chest so she just does all these things to get the kids motivated and working hard and and it's very deserving that she was teacher of the year and that's just like one of my best friends I'm so proud of.

Who is this crew? Like, who are you angels? Jupiter raises them well, I guess. Yeah, Jupiter does well, I guess. But she wasn't like when you got on the batch, you're like, I missed my shot. No, no, no, no. She was so supportive and so happy for me.

Like, she's amazing. Well, it's probably, you know, you talk about having good friends and I'm assuming for me, it's always the greatest friends are the ones who keep you grounded and level-headed i kind of spoke to that and i can only imagine without like you are a great guy you're very handsome and all all jokes aside but you're you're just a guy you know that you realize that i'm assuming katie's the type of friend you probably value because like she looks at you and just you're

not you're just no different she knows you're handsome you haven't changed she doesn't see you in a different lens she knows what to say to just shut me up yeah and knock me right back in my place those are the people you really appreciate when you kind of get some of that um and her family's the same way too though they can put me in my place all the time and we all have fun so has instagram been a little they've been a little harsh on her yeah yeah like you know like you know early on everyone was like you know dming her like sending like saying crazy stuff about us being a relationship but it's it's you know like yeah it's just people are crazy like i it's just i think people have a hard time seeing a boy and girl have a platonic relationship where there's yeah you know i mean it is it is kind of a frustration there hasn't been been, I mean, Suge comes on, she's a friend.

And then people ask about that. There hasn't been a female guest I have had on that's like single and dating that someone doesn't suggest that you should date. I think that's kind of, you know, people have those expectations. And you see a good looking girl, you see a good looking guy. It's like, oh, well, they must be doing things. But it's like, I have a lot of female friends that are just platonic friends. exactly those are some of my closest and valuable relationships yeah they give great advice yeah so have guys have more girlfriends what what is some advice as from a dating aspect like what would katie say about you and your love life and like why you know what what would she wants for you and the kind of girl you're looking for?

I think she just wants someone who, you know, just wants the best for me and likewise for her. I don't know what Katie would say. She's always just been super supportive of whatever I've wanted to do and who I've dated. And I've only dated Hannah and Sarah, my ex. Wow. That's it.

Speaking of Hannah, and I don't want to put you too much on the spot but like obviously like tonight you know it seemed like kind of i wasn't sure where it was going hannah was kind of feeling it out and like you're super supportive of her and so like do you see that going somewhere do you think i mean are you you know maybe you guys will catch up and we'll go from there yeah i think i think you know we went through a whole lot together yeah you know, maybe you guys will catch up and we'll go from there. Yeah. I think, I think, you know, we went through a whole lot together. Yeah. You know, that was a crazy journey to share an experience with somebody. And I value and cherish our relationship and our friendship.

And it's something I don't want to just like cut off cold turkey just because it didn't work out. You know, as someone who, you know, I would hope to, you know, have a drink with and see what happens and take it one step at a time. And I mean, I met Hannah. i i was impressed it was great and it's what's it's interesting you guys are kind of in that way in a unique position because now you're the season's done you guys are kind of free to yeah i think i think it's better there's no pressure for anything so it can be very regular if you run into the same show you can catch up and have a cup of coffee and just like you know

the first time i ran into andy after our season it was different under different terms but still like the feeling of normalcy was just like a weird thing but something i really appreciated just to like and it wasn't necessarily to pursue a relationship per se it was just to like hey man like and just talk about whatever you wanted about nothing about chill things it was kind of kind of fun no i'm excited to have a drink with her and just talk and spend months and just take it one day at a time. That's cool. I'm surprised she said that to you. Yeah, it was definitely surprising, but I think it was inevitable.

I think that we... Because you're so dreamy. think it was inevitable i think that we because you're so dreamy no i think that we just both needed to have that time to talk and and you know just see each other and be there for each other and like i think we have a great relationship you know and friendship and that's just something that just doesn't need to be cut off because it didn't work out i think that's immature i i think that's great shugs is like no i i again I've, I value my, my female friends. And again, like, this is a unique relationship in terms of like, you know, when Rachel was on here several episodes ago and like, we don't necessarily consider each other exes,

right? Like, you know, I don't know what's going to happen with you and Hannah, but if it didn't work out romantically, like it's just such a different relationship than say like dating someone for two years and having all these like life experiences and, and, and it not working out. So it's such a, it's a,

you'll still always have that bond no matter what happens. Exactly. Yeah. The reason that I'm freaking out is because I'm always on here and I'm like promoting love and being like, love can last and maybe it shifts and changes, but there's no reason to just throw it in the trash. here and I'm like promoting love and being like love can last and maybe it shifts and changes but there's no reason to just throw it in the trash if there's experiences there and there's like

something to hold on to so I just think it's a good example yeah no I agree you have uh you have a brother I know that yeah two little brothers is this the two of you no I got two little brothers you have two little three of us okay and you're pretty close with them yeah very close yeah you talked about them a lot when I when I first met you and your instagram and you're kind of fairly protective you kind of play that kind of protective role in your family yeah my middle brother is currently uh training with the guatemala military right now in guatemala doing what what what huh uh he's just he's uh so he's rotc okay so he's a senior uh he'll be a senior at florida state and once he graduates from there he'll he'll enlist in the military.

And I think he's like a second lieutenant when he comes out. Wow. So he's right now, this summer, he spent like six weeks in Fort Knox in Kentucky. I think it's in Kentucky. Hopefully I'm right. We don't want people to say that. But he trained there for six weeks and a lot of field training, like sleeping in the woods through the rain and all that.

He basically kind of gave up his whole summer to focus on training for the military for his last year. So he went to Guatemala for a month, and then I think he's going to Fort Worth, Texas, to shadow another lieutenant there. Then he'll come home for a little bit and go back to school. What made him want to do that? He's just always been very, you know, I don't know.

My grandpa was in the military, and I think that's kind of pushed him to be that. And it's always been something he's been very good at and passionate about. So I think he's just following his passion and his heart, and it's leading to where he wants to go. That's cool. Are you still doing construction stuff?

So, yeah. So I just actually sold my first house so i got a little cash in my pocket so i can afford a drink all right i feel like people will be buying you a drink yeah you don't need to buy me a drink right now well and i have to buy hannah a drink i can afford it did you promise buy Hannah a drink. I can't afford it. There you go. You promised that woman a drink. But you were a general contractor. So yeah, I was not technically a general contractor yet. There's a license for that?

We don't want to get you in trouble. So no, I just passed all my exams in December to get my general contractor's license. And then my dad got sick right there right before Christmas. So I kind of didn't care about, you know, filing for my license. It was kind of just stepping into the role of taking over his business and finishing what I had. I went from having three projects to having 15 projects like that and taking care of him.

And so then the show, I got accepted on the show in February and he got out like late January. So I was still just worried about him and he got out like late January. So I was still just worried about him and focusing on him and his business. And so I haven't been able to file for my license or anything like that. But I was able to build my first house under his license. I had two more that was going up. But I kind of just gave that to him when I went on the show and said, you can take care of this now.

But yeah, I'm celebrating my little first victory of selling my first house. I'm excited. That's really cool. Is this the house that you sold, the one that you're dancing in? No, that's not the house I sold. That was one of the houses I was working on. I feel like this is going to be worth a lot of money,

this dancing house. Yeah, yeah. The price went up on that one. Right? Yeah. Did you think about not going on because of your dad? Yeah, no, I had a tremendous amount of guilt when I was going on the show. And I was literally about to step away from it because my agency was telling me to step away from it.

And then my dad getting sick. And he just had his biggest job of his career. He just signed up for it. And I felt that it was important that he nailed this job because it could set him up for a long time down the road and and then and i wanted to be there for that i wanted to be there to help him out because i could have created a nice salary out of just that job where i would have been doing really well and uh so i really wanted to stay home and do it but he was put he was the one that was pushing me to go do it he's like just go for it there's a reason why this opportunity is here like This is your opportunity.

You just need to take it. I'll be fine. And I really had a hard time doing with it, making that decision. But he just kept pushing me and pushing me. And I made that jump. And then I still felt that guilt. And then I got around Hannah more. And the more I got around her, that guilt went away.

I was like, okay, I am supposed to be here and um so that guilt kind of went away and you know and it was you saw hometown it was emotional seeing my pops again and uh but yeah and I mean he's doing really well now and and everything is everything is trending upwards so did he watch the show before you went on? Yeah. So when I got the call Valentine's Day that I was going on the show, I got accepted to be on the show. I feel like for them, they should just do that for the bad show. They should do all their calls.

All their decisions made right on Valentine's Day. Hey, don't sleep with anyone tonight. It was funny. Decisions made right on Valentine's Day. Hey, don't sleep with anyone tonight. Yeah. It was funny. I was working a modeling job for Cartier. And I was, no, not like that. But I was a doorman at the mall. With that rose photo?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was me at the mall. Yes. And they called me. And it was on Valentine's Day. It was like my last day on the job. Because you're hot was like after that i literally wanted to just leave quit the job then and like i'm going to the show you know you were there when you got the call yeah you were wearing that outfit when you got the call yeah i had a step that could not have been more appropriate

i had a i had to step into the back back room of the jeweler to go take the call. That is awesome. For those of you who are listening, do yourself a favor and go to YouTube and check this out. Well, actually, that's all over. If you and Hannah get engaged, you've got to get your ring at Cartier. All right, calm down. Okay, sorry. Let's not put our guy on the spot here.

Oh, God. That's great. You were wearing that outfit. I was wearing that outfit, yeah. What did you do after that? When you got the call, were you committed? I got that call, and I had a men's league basketball game to play after that. I went and played that game.

We won, and then after that, it was Valentine's Day. Me and my boy were both single, uh we went and celebrated on the town together there we go yeah that was a great story so what what's next for you like what do you what do you want to do with your young life um what's next for me so uh i mean obviously the i mean let's be on the batches of possibility. Yeah. I mean, is that something you would say yes to? I mean, I'm sure you get asked that a lot, but. I don't know. I'm all over the map about that one.

You know, I have a lot of things I got to sit down and think about when it comes to that. It's a lot of responsibility. It's a great opportunity, but it comes with a lot of responsibility. Very challenging. So, I don't know. But, you know, my main focus right now is right now ABC Food Tours is kind of what I'm putting all my energy into. We're starting our own nonprofit with it now. You need to get him on The Bachelorette.

Who? Matt? I'm telling you, everybody needs to apply. He's your next bachelor. Everyone needs to apply Matt James for The Bachelorette. Maybe just skip that and go to The Bachelorette. He's a shoo-in. Yeah.

Maybe just skip that and go to The Bachelor. He's a shoo-in. Yeah. Yeah, just straight to The Bachelor. I'll say this much. If Mike is not your next Bachelor, and if he's not the first person of color who's a Bachelor... Matt James. Matt James.

Wow. He's an impressive man. He's good looking. He's tall. And every person they cast in the show is wildly tall. It's amazing how tall I am. It's insane. Except for Luke.

It's like everyone i meet like i'm a tall guy it's just like everyone's so tall yeah he's taller than than tyler uh i mean i've only met him a few times he's a super nice guy he's very charming he's amazing he's very cool he's he's the brains as well as tyler behind abc foods tour i i he's a shoo-in to be on the bachelor ad and certainly I would be shocked if he you know he could be your

first first black bachelor if it's not Mike yeah two great guys Mike's amazing Matt's amazing

you can't go wrong with either guy who would you pick to be the next bachelor if it wasn't you sorry what no

sure let's hear a very PC answer from Tyler now yeah you can't go wrong with any you know a lot of the guys from our cat Matt James I pick Matt James I literally was like who is that looking at you not realizing that was you I'm sorry okay um sorry no he's a great guy I think you got to get him to go on yeah no my my goal is to get him on. He needs some convincing, so everybody get after him, get him convinced to go,

and he'll be a great guy for this show. One more thing before we play this little game called Do You Know Me so we get to know Tyler a bit more. The running aspect that you're also doing in conjunction with ABC Food Tours, also really awesome. I got to experience that, which was really cool. You're doing this every – are you still doing it? You're doing it every week? Every week, every week. Tyler just kind of put it out there that he's running. He's like, hey, people of New York,

I'm going to go run, come and join me. And it kind of brings awareness to ABC food tours. And then also you're like, you're creating a community of people like working out. We went there. Tyler gives like this little speech to begin hundreds of young women showing up working out it was really cool and i mean talk talk a little bit about that yeah no i uh so i started these runs actually before the show i was uh doing it with my friends and family but it was only about seven of us not a hundred of us at that time uh so basically you know when my dad got sick and he finally came home, I thought, you know, I need to make a point to my family, my friends,

that we need to get moving and we got to stay moving to stay healthy. And so I wanted to get my mom, my brothers, my aunts, uncles, whoever I could and drag them out there like every Thursday. Let's just move whatever pace you need to move at for 30 minutes or an hour or whatever it is. And so I went on the show. I came back, was in New York, was with Matt. And I needed to get back running again.

And I was like, Matt, we should do one of these runs. Just see what happens. And we had no expectations of what it was going to be. And the first time we came out, there was about 100 people sitting there in front of the tavern on the green. Wow, we showed up and there's just like us it was like peter piper just a sea of people and sexy pied piper it was it was wild but yeah and and kind of what it was was you know i wanted to just promote like physical you know health and mental wellness and you know the bachelor's brought

all of us has brought all of them together and brought all of us together for these runs. You know, if it wasn't for that, we wouldn't be having these runs. And they have something that they can all communicate with and talk about. And they can talk for hours about this stuff, you know. And so, so many cool stories have come from it. So many people, you know, I tell a story about my dad and why I run and why I've gotten people to run. And they're like, oh, well, my dad got sick and I run too. And there's just so many amazing stories.

And what's cool about in the summer in New York City is so many people are there for internships. And a lot of people come from all over the country to go intern in New York City. And so, so many new friendships have been built and formed through these runs. And we have people that come every week with their friend group and they go run after and everything like that. So, it's really turned out to be more than we ever thought it was going to be. We're going to try and hold like a 5K here in August in New York City.

So if you're in New York, go run with Tyler. It's pretty cool. And to your point, it is really cool. Their common denominator for most of them at least is The Bachelor. Exactly. So you get these two interns. They don't know anyone. And everyone's like, oh, you're here because of Tyler.

Great, you watched The Bachelor. And you can easily be like, oh, you're here because of Tyler. Great. You watched The Bachelor and you can easily be like, oh, what'd you think of like Luke or Hannah or whatever? And you're talking for 20 minutes. Next thing you know, you have a friend.

It's kind of like this really cool thing. So I, again, I went and I, I was lucky enough to, to join you. And it was a lot of fun.

We got caught in a little rainstorm together. Then we got caught in a, Oh, sexy. Yeah. It wasn't that sexy. Nick,

Nick, all wet in a white t-shirt. Ladies. Thank you. No wasn't that sexy. Nick, Nick, all wet in a white t-shirt. Ladies. Thank you, Kyle. No, it was, I mean, it was... 38 years old and he looks like that. I know. What a guy.

What a guy. The more you hit on him through this show, I mean, it's, I don't know what I'm going to do. You know, I'm hitting on him a lot. He's just trying to return the favor. He knows what he's doing. Yeah, it's just pretending playing. Who some of the i know people who are some of the guys that you still keep in touch with from the show uh talk to dylan all the time i i hear i've never met him but

from some of the people on paradise that i know they they seem to really like dylan's amazing dylan uh i'm sure we'll see his full personality on paradise sounds like he's a pretty funny guy oh he's hilarious he's hilarious. He's hilarious. He'll be all right. Talk to Mike all the time. Talk to Dustin. Love Dustin. Dustin, Dustin.

See, Dustin's – like Mike got a lot of time. Dustin didn't get much time. But Dustin's an incredible kid. Does Dustin go to Paradise? Will we see him? No, no. But he's from Chicago. He's actually running the marathon with me in Chicago.

Yeah, that's right. You're doing a marathon. Yeah, Chicago and New York. I'm going to try to at least. No, I'm not ready for it yet. How many miles have you gone up to? Nine. Nine? Nine. That's pretty. Yeah, I got ways to go. But

there he is. Handsome guy. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I talked to Garrett a little bit. You know, I talked to all the guys here. We were in like a big group chat. So we all go here back and forth. But, you know, amazing group of guys. A lot you know that i'll be friends with for a while and cherish and that's awesome what about jed yeah no so jed i you know jed is just someone that i really got close to in the house and and uh you know it's just it's hard to see all this go you know go

down because you know i'm just disappointed you know i wanted the world for hannah and you know it's upsetting that it didn't work out you know and i think he could have handled things a lot better than he did sure i mean i you know i mean that's a good question rochelle in terms of like being the runner-up i was the runner-up before in terms of like you're in it you're committed you're ready to make this commitment to Hannah in your case. And then you graciously try to be like, all right, fine. She picks someone else. And then, you know, you're doing your thing to move on and kind of get past that experience because like that sucked for you. And then only to find out like, did it feel like a wasted opportunity or, you know, was there any anger towards Jed who were like, you were pretty cool with while it was filming? Like what were your initial thoughts when you first heard about it?

I didn't really read into anything that was going on with Jed and his ex or whatever, all the news that came out. But I'm just very disappointed. Because I wanted Hannah to walk away from this happy, whether it was with me or whether it was with jed you know when it got down to me peter and jed i was like she's in good hands either way this any way this goes and i could go home knowing that she'll be she'll be good and uh just to see how this all unfolded it's disappointing and i'm upset i'm like you know my heart aches for for hannah you, you know, but she's, she's incredible. She's so strong and powerful.

She'll, she'll, the world is hers. I think Hannah's going to be, she'll be just fine. Yeah. She's, she was my favorite bachelorette of all time.

She's my favorite bachelorette of all time too. I mean, just like for pure, good thing to say, but like pure entertainment, she was so great. And I, you know, for all the people who gave her criticism at uh colton's afr and you know when she was so nervous and again even tonight live tv so articulate so poised with jad she's so gracious yeah she yeah

great great wonderfully gracious but in sincerely you know sometimes people are kind of like the gracious but it comes across as so kind of not sincere she's so thoughtful in it and so articulate and you've kind of seen Hannah grow throughout the season props to her she did a great job and she was a fantastic lead

and you obviously were a big reason for that but Hannah certainly the queen of the season and she killed it. I would watch another season of... Hannah round two? You got a built in story. I mean she was

fun and wild. He's not liking that. Listen, that's up to you bro. But like... You know? You want to play a little game with us? Let's play some games. This game is called Do You Know Me?

It's a fun game. My friend developed it. You can find it on Amazon if you want. But it's like a fun game. It's really simple questions. We're going to guess if we know you. So we're going to ask you real basic questions. Don't answer immediately.

Let us guess. And then we'll figure out who knows Tyler Moore. Let her rip. Has Tyler ever faked sick to stay home from work? You ever lied about being healthy, Tyler? I'm guessing yes. I'm going to say yeah. I'm guessing no because he worked for his dad.

He's not going to do that to his dad's company. I'm going to guess he had a job. That's good. That's thoughtful. That's very thoughtful. I'm going to go with my gut and say he has. I don't know. We saw the Cartier job. That looked tough.

I might have called him sick on that one. Can I answer? Yeah. You're right. Yes! Oh, gosh. Never faked sick, but I tell you what. I'm one of the best at faking sick from school.

Not from work, but from school. I feel like we get half a point if you did it from school. This specifically says work. I'm winning. Bird speeds under the eyes in middle school is my go-to move. Why? You get your eyes all watery, you go to the nurse, I don't feel good.

Next thing you know, you're on your way home. Question number two. Has Tyler washed his sheets in the past month? I could have said two weeks, but I'm going to give you a month. I don't think he has sheets. I'm going to say no. I don't think he's even been home. And just so you know, Tyler, I haven't either.

It's gross. I'm going to say no. Yes. I'm going to say. No. Yes. I'm going to say, aren't you living on a couch? Living on a futon. Okay. Why do you have to come up like that? You put a sheet on.

Living on a futon. So, no, I have not. You're in New York right now. Yeah, slumming it in New York until I figure out what the heck I'm doing. All right. That's fine. Would you, okay, before you were like living in, and I give you a lot of props for that

because New York's a great city and I'm good for you for like having that adventure. Were you a sheet washer? Yeah. Like every couple of weeks. Every couple of weeks, month. Okay. College sometimes.

I feel like. Semester. I feel like I get the point. You said what? He washed? I said he washed. No, you definitely don't get the point. I feel like. You're trying to cheat i'm not um has tyler ever had sex in a car yes yeah

no yes yeah yeah good for you Tyler yeah good Tyler oh you know not in a windmill oh sorry I don't know what's wrong with me why do you gotta

sorry poke a hole I'm nervous wait that was Peter um four times oh god four times in a car

oh I'm just kidding we're talking about the windmill right how times have changed, huh? Man. Anyways, can Tyler name all four houses in the Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry? Are you a Harry Potter fan?

I'm going to say yes. Yes. I feel like he's one of those sneaky, charming things. He's young. He knows. No. There's Hogwarts. There's Slytherin.

Hogwarts? Dumbledore. Oh, wow. No. Way off. I knows. No. There's Hogwarts, there's Slytherin, Dumbledore. Oh, wow. No. Way off. I even, nope. Way to say that with confidence. One for Suge.

I had, has Tyler ever cheated on a test, but we know the answer to that question. I like this question for all you ladies out there. Has Tyler ever changed a diaper? Yes.

I'm going to say no. I'm in a big family. Yeah, you have little brothers. I'm going to say yes. So yes, yes, no? I said no. You said no? Alright, does a fake baby count? No. Why?

It doesn't. We did it on our baby date. Okay, no, that doesn't. We did it on our baby date. Okay, no, that doesn't count. You've never changed a poopy diaper. Never changed a poopy diaper. Listen, you know what, ladies? He can. Would you?

He will. So he's not perfect. He's not perfect. He hasn't changed a diaper yet. When it's time to set up to the plate, I will plug my nose and go for it. Yeah, there you go. All right, we got one fun one and one pretty soft unless we have a softball does tyler use a uh a loofah in a shower is that like one of those backscrabbing

backscrabbing thing it doesn't have to be back it's like it's just a round thing it's the it's the spongy thing no already put soap running your hand on your hand and just wash? I'm going to say he doesn't have it. Doesn't have it. He may have had one in his life, but it's not a normal thing. Are you guys watching on YouTube? His face, you can't read it at all. You can't. He is into the game now.

Very stoic. Soap on your face. I might have to excuse myself from the game. I know. I think that he washes with his hands. I think he washes with his hands, too. He washes with his hands, too. You guys are all wrong.

You guys are all wrong. I actually requested midway through the show for them to get me a scrub brush. No, because you can't reach your back. You gotta break up. He's in the background just nodding his head like, yeah, we gotta go buy that shit.

Yeah, and I would pack it in my suitcase and wrap it in a towel so it stays dry everywhere I go. We were all way off. You gotta break up with dead skin cells,

you know? Dead skin cells, yeah. No, no, Shug, only you were hopeful. We were objective. Rochelle and I were objectively answering this question You guys aren't sitting close to his hands

Okay Final question and Shug calm down Sorry she's a twitter pig Has Tyler ever watched Porn with someone else Yes What are these questions Look into his eyes now Sh you pulled look into his eyes now suge no okay look into his eyes

he's looking at you i won't i won't she's sweating oh no look at this look uh leave me alone wait can you repeat the question has tyler ever watched porn with someone else yes Yes, absolutely. Let's just say, let's just specify, not with a buddy when he was 13. A buddy? Who watches with a buddy? No, I'm like, you're a young man

and you find your parents' tape back in the day. Like, I'm saying with a lady friend and an intimate experience. Right, I mean, yeah, you know that. Wait, can you define what kind of porn or no no let's not get too weird here

has it was a joke has a yeah I'm gonna say yes I'm gonna say no just for fun it's a no

oh yes I actually think I would change my answer you can't change no but I would because that's a pretty bold thing to do

and where is where are you gonna watch it? You don't find me bold? I think Hannah called me bold. I do find you bold. I do find you bold. He's got a lot of years ahead to do that.

That's what I'm saying. You're bold, but you know. What have we learned about Tyler? You are very. He loves a loofah. I love a loofah. Loves a loofah. No other podcast

we didn't get that out of him he's a he's a tomcat but he still has some more fun to have yeah you know that's

that's what we've learned that's why I gotta learn from the old heads you know yeah any final any final thoughts Tyler

before we we let you no I I appreciate you guys having me it was fun this is can you explain the pink jacket cold head it's fine any final thoughts tyler before we we let you know i'm on your way i appreciate you guys having me it was fun this is can you explain the pink jacket the salmon jacket thank you rochelle what is up with that was that a gift that was not a gift that was a purchase by myself but then everyone borrowed it yeah no so there was two salmon jackets. So there was two Sam & Jackets. There was Dylan had one, extra small. And then I had one. That's a flex right there.

That they could fit Connor and Big Mike in it. And so basically, you know, Connor and Mike were mine. And Dylan and I think, I don't know who else wore his. But it was, so it got spread around everywhere. Did you think we wouldn't notice? The salmon jacket? Yeah. How it got all passed around?

Yeah. Yeah, I figured. Yeah, like it's everywhere. But there's a light... Like my light gray jacket got passed around. My mouth is always open every episode. No one cares, Tyler. Everyone loves it.

It's fine. That's Dylan in the bottom right, right? Everyone loves it. It's fine. Everyone. That's Dylan in the bottom right. Right? Yeah. It's Dylan in the bottom right. Like everyone mouth shut. That kind of happens every season.

On any season it was the scarves. Like I wore a scarf once. You wore a scarf? Did you see Dylan wearing the Burberry scarf? He's so bougie. Yeah. No.

I wore a scarf on a couple dates and then we went to Italy and all the guys. But you're cute enough to wear it. Thanks buddy. I we went to Italy and all that guy, true story. Cute enough to wear it. Thanks buddy. I don't know. And all the guys bought scarves.

What people don't realize when you're filming and you probably realize that is that, well, obviously you lose sense of time, but then in terms of like, you know, every day that's filming, if you wear things over and over,

it can come across when you're airing that it's constantly being worn. So it probably didn't even necessarily feel like that when you were doing it but it became such a yeah aggressive um but yeah it was a scarf wearing season so much of that tell all they all wore scarves is that a silk scarf no it's a cotton i didn't realize how much i wore the salmon jacket until i washed it back that's what i'm saying You probably didn't even as much as you, you probably maybe wore it every three or four days, but when they cut it together, it just ended up being so much scar, Sam and Jack,

and then other guys are borrowing it. I feel like maybe five episodes in, Nick, you were like, I am positive that they were provided these jackets. And it was like, they were given a gift of jackets. I was certain that they, cause like every season you start and they give you like some gifts or whatever, like whatever. these jackets and it was like they were given a gift of jackets i was certain that they because

like every season you start and they give you like some gifts or whatever like whatever i thought maybe you guys just got a bunch of like colored jackets and that was like the thing of the season that was all you that was a shout to zara for that one good good oh man a little plug zara out there uh well tyler I really appreciate you taking the time. ABC Food Tours, why don't you guys give that a follow? Tyler's doing a lot of great things with that and obviously everyone's following Tyler already, but really pay attention to ABC Food Tours. He's doing great

things. It's been a lot of fun, buddy. I wish you the best of luck. I'm sure we will be seeing a lot more of you and we can't wait to do that. Awesome. I appreciate you guys having me. It was fun. So fun. Yeah.

And for those of you still listening, stick around. We have some Q&A with some fans and a lot of interesting questions this time around, and I hope you enjoy it. Awesome. Thank you, guys. Yeah. Thank you.

Question time with Nick. Let's ask Nick your sexy questions. Hi, Jenny. How are you? Okay. Hi, guys. How's it going? Good. Good. Welcome. How can we help you, Jenny? Okay. So I'll try and keep it brief. For seven months, I've had this friends with benefits situation going on.

Great. And it's fun and it's good, but we don't want anything more than that. It's not going to get serious. We don't have anything in common. So in the meantime, I'm still on the app. Um, and I matched with this guy on Tinder and immediately right off the bat, everything was good. We have so much in common, our goals in life, our values. It seems like this could be something serious. And we've even talked about it where we could definitely build off of this. Have you met this person yet? Yes. We've had a few dates already. Okay. Okay. Okay. And it was really smooth and it was very comfortable. It wasn't awkward at all.

So I'm really excited about this. I'm waiting for the, but the, but the, but the problem I'm having is we tried having sex and it just wasn't good. It didn't work very well. Mostly because I kept comparing him to the other guy. And tell them what you were comparing. What's the problem? What were you comparing? The problem is, Mostly because I kept comparing him to the other guy, to the friend with benefits.

And tell him what you were comparing. What's the problem? What were you comparing? The problem is he is not as well endowed. I know, and your body is used to that endowment. Yeah, and so much so that, honestly, it's going to be complicated. I really don't think penetration is going to be an option. Wow.

TMI, sorry. Not TMI. We're talking, so we're talking significant. We're not talking. Are we talking like micro kind of situation? Pretty much. How is he, very important question off the top. How is he with his hands?

Does he use them a lot? It was, everything else was fantastic. Okay. We would have to figure things out, basically. I mean, listen, there are strap-ons. There are fists. The other... What I'm having is I'm comparing the two,

and it's not fair to him to think about another guy. How big is the other guy? Is he, like, average, and this guy's just super small? Are we dealing with, horse cock versus? Wow. I would say the friends with benefits guy is pretty much average and this guy is super small. Listen, I think in general, when you have a friends with benefits situation, which I always have loved and know well, you take a lover. It's great for a woman's world. But it's tough because when there isn't the emotional attachment, the sex is usually so good and it's passionate and you're like just,

you know, you're just having such a great time and there's no commitment. And so that alone is really hard to compare to sex that has commitment. Wait, because you think just because, like, okay, let's assume the dicks are the same, you think Friends With Benefits has better sex than relationship sex? I disagree. Yes. I disagree.

I think it's a different kind of sex. I'm fine with, I guess, the different kind. I don't know that it's better, but it sounds like in this scenario, it's definitely better. But what I was going to say is that when one starts to come with love, it doesn't matter if they have a dick or no dick.

Like if he comes with love, you know, you get to those intimacy places where he could blow on your clit and you have a huge orgasm. Who knows where you can go with it when there is connection. But if you're in like a lover situation for seven months, that person knows your body and is just focused on one thing, getting you off. And it's a commitment to kind of just that.

It's very fantastic. And it's great. Wow. I just really went off into it. Shirk hasn't gotten laid in a while. I haven't gotten laid in a while. So she's projecting a little bit. I really am.

But I also know my stuff very well. And I have taken a lot of lovers. Listen, I guess I totally, I mean, I guess agree with what Suge's saying in that,

I mean, to your, I guess what you're saying is if you really like this guy and he has everything else, I mean, it just depends on how much you like the actual

act of penetration when it comes to sex. But penetration can come in so many different forms. You could put a wine bottle in there and have a great time. Nobody should do that. Don't do that? I'm not a woman.

I can't believe I just said that. I'm not a woman. Does the act of penetration matter if it's a dick or a dildo? I mean, I guess not. Ideally, it's a dick, I guess. Ideally, fine. In a perfect world. But I would say like hands, hands, you can get a world of a time better than a dick. I feel more bad for thinking about this other guy when I'm so into the new one

and we have such a better connection, but I still can't help but wonder what I'm kind of like that fear of missing out. Like, what am I missing? Well, to that point, to that point, I think it just comes down to an exercise of what do you value more, right? You've admitted that fine. The sex is great with the fuck buddy. Fine. But you don't want anything else. You don't want a relationship. So you just need to decide, do you want a relationship or do you just want a fuck buddy? And if you want a relationship, then sometimes sacrifices are made. Listen, if we got to marry the person we had the best sex of our lives with,

that would be great, but often that's not the case. You all have a unique situation because in most cases, ideally, if you're connecting with someone, you'll have great sex with that person. This is unique because sex in its traditional form of thinking like penetration may never happen in the way that you would with anyone else. You know, that's unique. It just opens up the world for you, though. I would say I would call it a blessing that that has to be taken out of the equation because you guys will learn how to have so much fun with other things.

That's true. And I think that that's a huge intimacy connection if you're like, okay, listen, we got to really figure out other ways to get each other off. I think it's lovely and that'll get you closer. And I also do believe that relationship sex grows and gets better over time. Fine, but you could say that about anyone. I'm just saying like in this, you're talking about relationship sex,

which I totally agree with, right? It takes time. I mean, regardless of the size of someone's dick or a relationship, in a relationship, you should take the time to do other things like going down, someone touching each other,

all these different ways to get each other off to make it interesting. If you're gonna have sex with the same person for the rest of your life, you need to mix it up. Everyone should be doing this. You're feeling bad about thinking about the other person. Correct? And you're comparing.

Yeah. Yes. And so, yes. And so she needs to like focus on like, well, not focus on that, except that, right? And you are a unique situation. It's kind of to my point is you can't pretend that i think what you're saying is great but eventually she just has to come to

grip that doesn't solve her problem of i think about this person no correct i know i was just excited about the topic yeah we get it yeah leave me alone but yes so you like this. I think if you really like this person and you do, to Shug's point, there's other ways of getting off, right? And I think the most important thing is accept the reality and don't feel bad about

having these thoughts. It seems like a crazy thing to say, but don't guilt yourself in the fact that you think about this. It doesn't take away how you feel about this new guy. No, it doesn't. I think that's the important thing. Eventually, hopefully, if this person is your person and you get past that and you find ways to get each other off, I think you will stop thinking about this other guy less. Five years down the road, are you going to like go to bed and be like, oh, I just wish I had a big dick in me. Sure. Fine. But you know, that's okay. I don't think that makes you a bad person

I don't think that means you don't love this guy That just might be a thought you have there's a difference between having thoughts and indulging in those thoughts, right? You can be in a relationship and you're married for five or six years regardless of the situation and you can see someone and go And think to yourself. I'm, hot person, you know, wow. Fine. That doesn't make you, but like then obsessing over that thought, indulging of that thought, introducing yourself to that person and giving into that temptation is a totally different thing. And there's a huge difference, I think, in any relationship between like having a thought and obsessing over it, not letting it go. So I think you just have to control those thoughts, but most importantly, early on,

don't judge yourself for having them. And I would say part of like the idea of obsessing over thoughts is to add negative emotions to them. You don't need to feel bad about thinking about the good sex you've been having. If that helps you, you know, connect in the moment, I don't think. And I think the more that you're like guilty about anything, you just don't need to be your human and it's totally fine. And you know, this guy is still new, you know,

Tinder guy is still new. I think you guys, it sounds like you like have connected and you have a future, but you're still getting to know him and it's your brain and it's your body and you need to do what you need to do. Yeah. We have a debate here. I should be patient.

Wait, did he tell you about the micro penis before or was it a surprise oh yeah good point Rochelle what did you say we have a debate between the three of us can you hear us uh huh

we have this ongoing debate that a guy if he has a uniquely sized dick should be up front or should, or shouldn't he be up front about, what did he do? Did he, did you find out, was it a reveal or was he like, Hey, it was a reveal, but he wasn't putting so much pressure on having sex. He wanted to cuddle more. He wanted to like go slow. So I kind of had, but he wasn't putting so much pressure on having sex. He wanted to cuddle more. He wanted to like go slow.

So I kind of had. So he didn't acknowledge it. He wasn't comfortable. No, not at first. No. I mean, that's an interesting point. I think the more I. But you could tell that he was.

It's not really a debate because I don't know. All right. Well, Jenny, we're going to we're going to wrap this up and have some final thoughts when you get off the phone because your reception isn't great. But thank you for calling in. This is a great story. And it really is probably something people relate to. Yes. Thank you for sharing.

Awesome. Thanks for your help, guys. I really appreciate it. Thanks, Jenny. Listen, I guess I'm assuming if you're a type of guy that you've been with enough of women that you eventually get a reaction, whether it's like a really big dick or, but I'm talking, it's got to be extreme, right?

Because otherwise there's no point like. Yeah, don't say, oh, sorry, I got a really big dick. And you're like, uh. You're like, yeah, I mean, like, it's kind of like, it's ample, but like, I don't. No, but if you're like, hey, I just want you to know, like, I usually like touch a rib when I'm in there. Oh, no.

You'd be like, okay, let's monitor. I used to have roommates that could only have sex in the shower because he was too big and she was too small. Wait, what did the shower do to help? I don't know. Shower is not a good lubrication. No, that is a terrible lubrication. Where is he?

Have him on the show. But I do think specifically for the micropenis situation. Micropenis is bosh. I think if you're a guy, it would probably make sense. Yes. Here's like, and I'm just thinking out loud here, but I would think here's like an exercise in how to kind of, you know, there's probably a lot of assumptions, again,

with a micropenis, like insecurities, and you're not happy about it. So instead of pretending it doesn't exist, own it. Yeah. Acknowledge it. Yes. Be upfront about it. They're going to find out anyways, right? You're going to take your pants off and be like, and you don't want to have this awkward. So like, talk about it. Yeah. A hundred percent. Because I think that the more that you're open about it, you accept it about yourself, it'll help you to get better at all of the other things. Because look at the real…

Women are so adaptable. And there's so much you can do with a woman's body to please her that I just feel like it won't be a big deal if you bring it up. And I'm using this from personal experience because the micropenis incident that I went through was tough. You're talking about like it was a war. Well, it was just like a whole thing because he didn't even admit it. And then I was like, oh, man.

You know, between—it was just so teeny tiny. But he also didn't admit it, didn't know how to do anything else. And I was just like, oh man, like I was like, I wanted to talk to him about it because I was like, how are you moving through the world like this? I don't know. What is your name? My name is Rachel. Hi, Rachel. This is Nick, Suge and Rochelle. How can we help you, Rachel? So I'm 20. I'm a college student. And before this, I had never kissed anyone.

I never dated anyone. Like literally nothing. And so I met this guy on Tinder from school. And we went on a few lunch dates. And we ended up interning and like around the same area so we went on a date last friday and we kissed for the first time and that was his first time too so um you wait you guys popped each other kiss versions cherries together i feel like that's special how often does that really happen that could not have been good

that could not have been a good kiss yeah was it good how was the kiss how was it oh my god it was like so awkward at first but we got

we got a lot better that's great yeah totally fine alright and now um and so

like it's been moving really fast I mean last Saturday we kissed on Monday like now you're doing anal I'm sorry I'm sorry It's been moving really fast. I mean, last Saturday we kissed. On Monday, I went over again. You're a chef.

I'm sorry. I went over again and I gave him a blowjob. Yeah! Woo! So you went from kiss to blowjob? That's the natural progression. How did this happen? That is actually the natural progression.

I actually am curious. I am curious what the, like, I am curious, like, did he ask or did you offer? No, I like, I wanted to. No, I assume that, but I'm just saying. No, no, no. I did it like on my own free will.

He didn't ask. Okay. I'm just like, you know, curious if he's like, hey, like hey like are you into I don't know my first blowjob was terrible oh god alright

okay so now now we're sucking dick alright so and I went on Wednesday and he told me like we were cuddling and he told me he loves me

oh yay I bet he did oh this is very exciting this is great no it gets bad wait for it hold on I bet he did. Oh, this is very exciting. No, it gets bad. Wait for it. Hold on.

Oh, no. Producer, don't. No spoilers. Go on. Go on. Go on. Rachel, go on. I'm fine with the way that the relation is progressing physically because I'm setting the pace there.

But I'm like kind of worried about how fast it's moving like in the other aspects like I haven't he keeps on asking like if we're dating and I keep on saying like I don't know he's in love and so and your question is what my question is like how how should i proceed like i don't know if i should um like i'm not opposed to dating him in the future but i feel like i don't think he's trying to put pressure on me but i feel pressured to like agree to a relationship so quickly well that's very honest to you i mean this is a really unique situation. Well, not that unique, I guess is maybe in a way sometimes common. I think the stereotypes is the young women feel like they want the relationship and the men just want to get

off. I think this is really, I guess, unique and cool that we have a young woman's, you know, being sex positive and getting out there and kind of getting experience, but doesn't need to feel the burden of being in a relationship. And it's fine either way. And I also think it's great that this young man is getting blowjobs and being like, I love you, you know? Listen, I think it just comes down to communication

and just trying to be as mature as possible in a situation you guys don't have a lot of experience. He likes you. Yeah. And not like all jokes aside, it's probably not just because you gave him a blow job, but there's something about people's firsts, right? And experiencing firsts is a way people connect.

And so it's probably elevated because of the physical relationship you guys have. And he's feeling this and he's never done this before and it's special and certainly to him. And so, yeah, you know, he definitely likes you. I think to do this, you just have to be up front and it might hurt his feelings. My guess is his reaction is going to be at first, he's going to get defensive. Well, what do you mean? You know, hopefully this will be a good sign for you to see how he handles this, right? Because if he handles it in a way where he's just like, if he gets defensive and maybe even names calls, or maybe let's say, and I'm not saying he's going to do this, but like he could get defensive and

almost be shaming. Like, well, what do you mean you did this to me? And you don't like what you just want to fuck around and blah, blah, blah. That would be a good sign for you to say that maybe he definitely shouldn't explore a relationship with this guy. However, if he's just like, you know what, I get it. And if he handles very immature and he doesn't get defensive, might be a good guy you want to explore with because you know, that would show a lot of maturity for someone. It's, it's, it's tough. Like, I think just try to be upfront, try to be direct. He's going to get defensive. He likes you too. So there's feelings involved, but the only thing you can do is to say, I want to slow down. I think to you, I think you're going to have to

also slow down the physical relationship as well. It's only fair to him to not confuse him because he's also equating a physical relationship with an emotional relationship. And that's fine too because some people want those to be mutually exclusive. Some people don't, right? And right now he says he does. So I think you need to slow down that aspect physically and get on the same page. And if you just want to have a fuck buddy, that's fine too, that he might not be your guy. Yeah, I think it's so important in those situations when somebody is like, I'm in love with you, I want to do this relationship, that you don't too heavily continue the physical of it all.

With over-explaining too. And I think that a good kind of tool in your toolbox or whatever is to really like over explain how you're feeling. Like just really get into it about needing to take it slow, that this isn't quite what you want. You really want to get to know each other so much better. You know, it sounds like you've only been on so many dates and, and you know, your knowledge of the, the connection between the physical things that are happening and the kind of influx of feelings that naturally come with that and your reservation about those things, you know, I assume he's a

smart guy and hopefully that can penetrate his brain. And again, I think it's just unique because of the stereotype we often face. You know, guys who are say things they don't mean to get laid kind of thing. You know, that's how we get guys who get the names they don't mean to get laid kind of thing you know that's how we get guys who get the names of players and fuck boys because um you know the stereotype is the girls like i like you and i want to be with you what do you want out of this and they're like oh i like you too and all they just want to get laid right so again in fairness you need to again be up front and if you don't want that, don't pretend you like him. Or else she'll be a fuck boy.

You'll be a fuck girl. Yeah. No, but seriously. But also don't feel guilt to like him too. Don't feel guilt to have sex with someone you don't want to do. Don't feel guilt to be in a relationship with someone that you're not ready to be in a relationship with. And don't feel guilt to be wanting to go down on someone

and to be the aggressor in the situation. No, I think that's great. And to not catch feelings. Like what's happening is one of you is catching feelings. It's the guy. And you're like, hey, I'm having a good time. But you need to be up front the same way a lot of young women out there want guys to be up front with their feelings. I always say that when guys are being accused of being fuckboys players, like women just want the guys to be honest, right?

Guys will make excuses about why they didn't tell them or why they're not. And I think most women just want to know. They want the option to say, well, then I don't want to have sex with you. Or you know what? Thanks for letting me know we can still have sex. Because they don't want to feel used.

Because most men don't say things like, well, I got used. She used me for sex. Most guys aren't saying she used me for a blowjob. Because that's the kind of double standard of like kind of a, this is our culture. But he's going to feel used if you continue to pretend to like him more than you do just to get laid. He'll never say it, but society, women will say it. So you just just to get laid. He'll never say it, but because, but society women will say, so just, you just got to be upfront and it's this unique relationship because this is not

the stereotype, but you still need to be honest about your feelings. And you may find you, cause again, he's young and it's his first time. He may be trying to do and say the right things. You may be totally honest with him and he's like, wait, we can just hook up and take it slow, but we can still have sex. Great. But you definitely just need to be as honest and upfront as possible and don't make excuses like, well, I don't want to hurt his feelings. Don't sugarcoat it. Be kind, but be direct. And see how he handles it. Because if he does get defensive and mean, then that's not okay either. But the moment you start lying about your feelings

is the moment that it becomes on you and you get yourself and you're in trouble and then you're doing the wrong thing. And if he wants to walk away, believe me, there's lots more people who would like to go with this arrangement, this slow-aced thing. I don't get the impression that you're worried about you won't find someone else. No, of course not.

No, I mean, I just think that the way we're approaching it is different. I think it's like unique since we're both in college and this is our first relationship. I think he's like approaching it like the first relationship. Like I asked you out and then we're boyfriend and girlfriend and then I kissed you and then this and this is our first relationship, I think he's like approaching it like the first relationship. Like I asked you out and then that we're boyfriend and girlfriend and that I kissed you and then this and this, but I'm sort of just like, okay, like let's explore other things. And then maybe we can see like what we want to label it. Totally. Again, you don't, I mean, maybe you do or not, but he is young and most of his thought process and how he's going about this part of his life is probably coming from how he was raised or what he thinks he should do or shouldn't be doing. So again, the only way to get on the same page is to talk about it and be upfront.

And a lot of people, even, you know, you're young, but even people as they get older still don't openly communicate about maybe that juxtaposition between the physical relationship they want and the emotional relationship they want. And you should just do that. And you seem reluctant, but I promise you, you won't regret it. You may not get the outcome you want, but you will feel better about being on the same page. Right. I promise. All right.

Oh, good. Let us know how it goes good let us know how it goes let us know again you're just saying anything wrong all you're saying is i like you i love our physical relationship but i just i'm not ready to dive in emotionally and i need you to know that and i like i want to respect your feelings too. Beautiful. Really great. You're going to be great. You're not saying anything wrong. Don't worry about it. Just be honest.

More power to you. You're doing great. This is awesome. All right. Take care. All right. Bye-bye. Hello, beautiful. Well, I'm glad that we get to see your face at least.

Hi, Lynn. How are you? Good. Thank you. How can we help? Well, I had emailed in because I had some questions for you concerning your essential oils, I guess,

or the diffusers that you're selling. So what I'm trying to find out is I have never been a person who has had to deal with, um, thankfully I have not dealt with anxiety or depression in the past. Um, however, with my situation recently, I have been dealing with a lot of anxiety to the point that at times it, um, and it hits me at times. I feel like there's a weight on my chest to the point that it is a very unbearable pain that I'm not sure how to deal with at this point in time. Is there something specifically that's causing this?

I mean, again, usually the fact that you haven't dealt with this. I mean, I think there's the difference when someone who constantly experiences anxiety and then a situation that's making you anxious. Yes. So absolutely. I am 38 years old. I have been single for about 12 years. I am a single mom. I have two children. And due to my upbringing and just kind of the way that I wanted to raise my children, I made a conscious decision to not date openly with my kids simply because I wanted to make sure that if I was going to bring a man into their life, this was going to be forever. So that situation presented itself in November with a person that I have been friends with for, I've known him for over 10 years. Um, and we have been very close friends, never brought him around my children.

And November of last year, we started seeing each other and, um, yeah, I, I, I introduced him to my children. We went through the whole thing of dealing with teenagers who were not too happy about me dating. And they definitely came around and he found a way into their heart. And four weeks ago, we were on a family vacation with my entire family, which was 24 people, because I come from a very large family like you do, Nick, and all of my siblings and my parents and their spouses. And so we were on vacation. And one day we were at Disney and the next day he was not with me. So he passed away while we were on vacation. Oh dear. I'm sorry.

Oh my goodness. Yeah, that's a big one, you sweet thing. That's tough. I'm so sorry to hear that. We're so sorry. And so this has caused, I can imagine, some great anxiety in you and some real shifts in how you're perceiving the world, I would imagine.

How long ago did this happen? Four weeks. Four weeks. Oh, my goodness. Well, I mean, listen, this is a very difficult and challenging. I wasn't expecting it to go this direction, but it's in a sense that there's a lot of things we can try to say to make you feel better.

Unfortunately, this is a tough situation. I mean, with calls like this, I think we're all in agreement that I think, I don't know if you've ever gotten therapy or you've ever talked to a professional about something like this, but this is a traumatic experience in your life and you need to allow yourself to grieve

and you might need to be able to talk with a professional to help you through this, especially with the fact that you are talking about like the first time in your life, you're dealing with things like anxiety and depression. And it makes a lot of sense why you might be because this is such a tragic thing in your life. Like right or wrong, like you chose to wait and and and be patient with dating and really emphasize this and it's uh where other people don't who are single parents and that's okay too right like you know i know uh single parents who you know they they date a guy for three or four weeks and it's like hey do you want to meet my kids that's fine too there's a there's a balance

right and you kind of went to the other extreme you know and that's fine, hey, do you want to meet my kids? That's fine too. There's a balance, right? And you kind of went to the other extreme, and that's fine too. The only problem with sometimes going at that way is you put an emphasis on it working out, and if it doesn't, and with kids not being, your kids were so used to you not dating or not even knowing about it

that they're probably resistant to it. So minus the fact that he passed away, I think in the future, I hope this doesn't discourage you to go out and date again once you are ready and give it some time, certainly, and talk to a professional. But I would think maybe in the future,

just, you know, your kids shouldn't, I think it's okay that your kids know that you want to find love and be happy and have a partner. And I think it's okay that your kids know that you want to find love and be happy and have a partner. And I think it's okay for your, your kids to understand, especially if they're teenagers now, like they're not like four or five or six years old. Like they should want that. And they should know that you want that too. And I think you need to let them know that you want that. And I think that's, I think that's okay for you to say. So that way, if they meet someone and it just, let's say, you know, getting past

that part where you meet someone and it doesn't work out, like he doesn't pass away, like maybe you just don't get along six months into it. You shouldn't have to worry about like, oh, my guy, my kids met another guy. You know, this is such a unique and extreme situation of unfortunate circumstances where he passed away. Most of the time, you're going to date and you're just going to break up. So I just don't want your kids to like, I don't want you to feel like you have to get this right and you have to make sure it's the perfect person before you introduce them to the next person. In the short term, I think the best thing you can do is just talk to a professional

and just get it out there and continue to talk to people. I appreciate you calling and sharing your story and hopefully this helps just talk about it. And I think, you know, celebrating it and celebrating him and really let yourself grieve, I think is, again, I'm not a professional therapist. So like, again, get their advice, but that would, in my experience and what I've learned, I think it's okay to do that and just don't force it. And I would love to add one thing too. You know, I think you got into a habit early on of, you know, protecting your kids from feelings that might come up by being attached to somebody new. And I would really encourage you in this time to recognize that your family is grieving and the kids did get to know him and they lost him as well. So I think that, you know, creating a new habit

and using this as a way to, you know, really bond you with your kids and have that open dialogue about how they're feeling about this too and let them know how their mom is feeling and let them comfort you and love you. And you guys come together and love on this. You don't have to protect, you know, your kids from how you're feeling if you're dating somebody new, if you're finding something else, if you're grieving, if you're sad. Like, this can be something that as a gift from your ex, not even your ex, from your love, I'll call him, from your love as a gift to you to use this grief as a way to continue to keep you and your kids really close. And I think keeping that openness

is a beautiful thing. I just think it's really important for you, minus the grieving process, is for you to, assuming you want to still someday, again, you're probably not thinking about it right now. I just think it's important for you to, to not feel any regret about dating. And certainly I think it's important for you to still let your kids know that someday you want to still find love in your life and that you deserve it. And I think it's important that they want that for you too. And they may want that, you know, um, But you need to state that because I do, like I said, like the not doing it at all and removing yourself from it and being so on one spectrum, they got so used to you not dating. And then you bring some guy in, it's like, wait, what is, what is going on here? And then they kind of, they shouldn't, I don't think there should be a period where your

kids have to accept you dating, you know, as long as he treats you with respect and you're happy, that should be their only requirement. But I think it's on you to let them know. And I think this situation has really multiple things, but it has allowed my daughter and I to become a lot closer because she saw how happy he made me. And it gave her the opportunity to see that, you know, that people are deserving of love. And the way that he loved me was beyond anything I had ever experienced before. And so she got to see that.

And now with his passing, she has been my, she's been my support. And, um, he has been with me every time I wake up in the middle of the night crying. And yeah, I mean, that's, and that's, and I'm sorry again that you're sad, but I think that is to show a beautiful thing. And, um, I just, I, what I, I don't want you to feel discouraged or afraid to, to move on when you're ready. I want you to still want to date and meet someone. I'm just afraid that you would have so much emphasis and like you were so scared to do this. And then this tragic thing happened. I don't want to have you shut you down from getting out there and finding love once you are ready to move on. And certainly that's going to take some time and don't feel the need to rush it. And I would encourage you to talk to people and talk to professional

to get through those moments of anxiety and depression, which obviously are common and happen in times like these. But don't give up faith of finding love and put it out there that you own it and you, you, you deserve it. And, and it sounds like your, your, your kids are wanting to see that. And I think I'm glad to hear that they saw that and they continue to want that for you. And I think, you know, that's a good thing. So. I agree. All right. Well, we're sending you so much love. Well, thank you so much. All the best. We're so sorry for your loss. And that's really, it is unfortunate.

But again, to Suge's point, he gave you a gift and gave you and your daughters a gift. And I think it sounds like once you get over it, you know that you deserve it. And I feel like maybe for a while, you just weren't open to meeting someone out of protecting your kids. And that's great that you were trying to protect them, but you don't need to do that. I appreciate your time. And if you would recommend something from your line, what would you recommend? Oh, well, as far as my essential oils, a release helps me calm down and sleep and good for anxiety. But as great as essential oils are, and they release helps me calm down and sleep and again for anxiety, but as great

as essential oils are, and they do help me calm down, it's not necessarily going to help you get over the death of a loved one. So I just want to make sure I don't want to oversell something I do believe in, but it does help me calm and relax, but definitely talk to people and get it out there and grieve and go through those, those stages as well. And to wrap it up with you guys, I just want to, I do want to let you know, I've been involved in going to a grief share program. Excellent. That's great. With my pastor and with a bereavement type grief counselor as well. So I am getting that route to do this in the most healthy way that I can. Keep doing that for sure. Stick with that. Do it

past the point. Just focus on you and what you need and you're going to be fine. Thank you so much for your time, guys. Oh my gosh, thank you. Well, that was fun. What a great episode. As always,

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