The Viall Files - E310 Matt King - Cultivating Curiosity

Episode Date: August 25, 2021

Today Nick is joined by host of the Hoot & A Half podcast and popular internet phenom, the charming, Matt King. Nick and Matt jump right into it talking about how Matt overcame his fear of public speaking to become a competitive speech champion, how he moved past heartbreak to find love again, and how he got his girlfriend to stay interested at the start of dating. Matt also shares his thoughts on the recent David Dobrik news, if he's ever been jealous of others' success, and how his dad helped shape him into a curious person.  "They don't need a life coach, they need a good life partner."  THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Huzzah: http://www.huzzah.com code VIALL for 20% off  Door Dash: download the DoorDash app in the App Store and enter code VIALL for 25% off, up to $10 value, and zero delivery fees on your first order. Noom: Start your trial at http://www.noom.com/VIALL  Episode Socials:  Viall Files @viallfiles Nick Viall @nickviall Matt King @mattrking Listen to Matt's podcasts: Hoot & a Half: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/hoot-a-half-with-matt-king/id1511834329 Zane and Heath Unfiltered: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/zane-and-heath-unfiltered/id1478746415 See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

what's going on everybody welcome back to another episode of the vile files i am your host nick joined by chrissy alley and amanda the crack team crack team crack crack pot yeah I don't know they don't do crack they just what is it what is it what's the phrase crack pot cracker jacks no like you know it's like I don't know fuck the crack team can we can we get new merch crack team crack team you know nick has always said he wanted a fun name for his followers maybe we just found it the crack team don't do drugs well welcome everyone we have a great episode for you uh the charming and lovely matt king is with us uh and uh a real fun conversation. We also learn a lot about Allie and Amanda on this episode. But mostly Allie. Mostly Allie.

Mostly Allie. Yeah, I don't want to give anything away because it's just such a fun episode. If you are tuning in because you're a big fan of Matt, welcome. We are glad to have you. Just a friendly reminder, we have three episodes a week. This one where we interview wonderful people like Matt, also a relationship and dating Q&A where people call in and ask questions, tell us about their stories, their lives, their problems, mostly relationship and dating focused. And yours truly will give them their two cents on what they're

probably doing wrong. And we all learn a little bit about ourselves, our relationships. People seem to really love that episode. So check it out. And if you like The Bachelor, we break it down in a very detailed point-by-point Monday morning quarterback style. So tune in to that as well. It's after Bachelor in Paradise. I mean, Bachelor in Paradise, whenever...

It's after Bachelor. We're recapping Bachelor in Paradise right now. I don't know. So when it's done airing for the week we'll have a recap for you sex in the city updates where you at i'm currently where i'm at is uh big and carrie carrie just ran into big at the in the hamptons party and he's dating a younger than carrie girl i'm like definitive i'm way behind i'm like they've they've had they've fucked on the first date already but he's like i'm gonna take you for dinner the chinese restaurant yes yes and he's not sure if he's women yes yeah i love the fact that now our group text is not just like social media stuff but it's nick being like can you believe that big got carry a toothbrush and it's the biggest

monumental moment of their relationship no carry no yeah it's like i also i have something to say about sex in the city like not to be a writer snob but like either the dialogue is off or the extra casting is off what do you mean because there are some of the straightest actors in the world playing gay characters there is like just if you watch watch for like the extras like the minor parts the way they deliver their lines something about it is wild to me hmm yeah i i'm i'm just you know really deep in and how toxic carrie is and the advice she gives to people yeah she made a big deal like uh big i don't know gave her a toothbrush to have at her place and she said it was like the most significant step in their relationship at this point and i'm just thinking what like do women like it's to like make that big of a deal about things that take no effort from men

like to me that was just like a sign of like what guys can do to like just appease someone like who what is it a big deal to have a toothbrush and also because you have a toothbrush at their place does that mean they can't have other toothbrushes no one of the guys one of the guys whose place i went to he had missler water he had like a full setup it was like a hotel like he had makeup remover he had all these nice face washes he had a toothbrush for me for any of the ladies who might come i suppose well i was like i was like you either have sisters or like a recent ex because like this is deep and like you know what women need or, or a current girlfriend or,

or he's just accommodating to guests that frequent his bathroom. I do think there's a turning point in a like situationship when you have something of theirs, whether it's like, like clothing that they left or like a hat or something. I think that like, to me it gives me a sense of not it's like and it shouldn't but like a sense of security where i'm like okay if you tried to ghost me there's i have

at least one like bargaining chip and i've never actually used it but i think about it like i clock it the first time a guy like leave something at my place that i'm like oh okay or a girl leave something yeah what i've realized about sex in the city is carrie is a pick-me girl who is obsessed with the idea of things rather than the substance of things and it's the again i just want to thank carrie bradshaw for for for having ask nick episodes because clearly based off of some of our mistakes that we make in life, you know, and how we see things and the idea of things and what they mean or, you know, that really don't mean anything and take sometimes little effort from, you know, men or women.

And we give it so much value and she's obsessed with the idea of things rather than substance of things that's what i've realized you're blinded by it until you're not blinded by it anymore carrie redshaw not a role model not a role model great episode for you uh don't forget to review subscribe all that fun stuff only only five stars don't forget to send your questions at ask nick at cast media.com cast with a k for ask nick episodes and if there's nothing else let's get to matt matt welcome thank you we were in the middle of talking about birthdays yes and it's your assistant's birthday and you didn't know it's alice's birthday i did not why do you have to call me unbelievable no one in this room knew. I mean, I feel like it's,

I feel like I'm going to first blame Chrissy, my producer. I feel like you have to produce like birthday announcements and then I'm going to blame my manager next. And then I'm going to blame my other assistant, Amanda, who talks to Allie on a daily basis. And then I'm going to blame me. I think you can blame me. Put it on me.

But I will say I did. I noticed that Allie got a little dressed up today and then I was like what's there's something I feel like I told you about something going on

I found yours on Facebook and then I warned Nick ahead of time that it was going to be her birthday I was like just a reminder did you have a birthday

did I miss that no you it was like the first week I was working for you and you texted me a meme like a gif I was that? No, it was like the first week I was working for you. I wanted to text you. And you texted me a meme, like a GIF. I was like, wow, this is the most emotion I've seen in a text from you. So she started on her first week.

It was your birthday? It was like my first month. Yeah, and I had to keep it professional. It's important to set boundaries in our work. That's right. But I thought for her, since she started in January, I'm like, okay, well, wait, what month is it? It's August. You should have known it was a birthday by now.

Yeah, listen, I'm not the perfect boss. It's okay. None of us are the perfect bosses. Allie, happy birthday. And you wish, do you text your friends? Do you text your acquaintances happy birthday? Or do you reply if you get a Facebook your acquaintances happy birthday or do you reply via like if it's if you get a facebook notification i don't do the facebook wall thing i'll usually

will send a text and lately i've been trying to get better about wishing people happy birthdays because i used to be like everybody has a birthday you either catch it or you don't but lately i think it's great for the certain people in your life who you really appreciate their existence. And you don't see them enough. Maybe you don't talk to them enough. That's when I send a really good birthday message. Last night, it was my friend Matt's birthday. And I sent him a really good one.

I really sat down. Oh, you sat down. You wrote him. I was in bed. I was already kind of laying down. But I really wanted to let him know how much I appreciate him. Really? Yeah.

Yeah. Should I read it? I mean, sure. know how much I appreciate him. Really? Yeah. Yeah. Should I read it? I mean, sure. I mean, I feel terrible. I'm like, happy B-Day, bud. I see. I do that for like my close friends that I see every day. But the people I don't see pretty often, you know, I try to let them know how much I appreciate them.

Wow. Yeah. I can't wait for my birthday. And your birthday is in November. September. Oh, OK. That. Yeah. I can't wait for my birthday. Wait, your birthday's in November? September. Oh, okay. That's okay. That's all right.

Now Allie's birthday is coming up, and it's pretty clear that it's important to her. Yeah. Well, I feel like it's the job of a person. I'm not saying this to Allie, but to sort of let people in their lives know the standard for which they expect. So we're going to blame Allie for this.

No, I just mean, I feel like I told, I feel like when Allie, I was like, it's my birthday and I feel so weird because I haven't been working in this job so long. Right. I definitely talk to Allie about it. Do you know what I mean? You have to tell people if you want a big birthday.

I was pretty proud of the birthday I threw my girlfriend Patricia this year. Dude, it was really great. You want to hear it? Sure. Yeah. Okay. So, it was, we did a decades back in time party. So, like the party was like kind of a three-stop pub crawl, but at friends' apartments, but we did it by like the decade. So, we started off and it was the 90s and we only played like 90s music, had 90s decorations. And then we went to her other friend's place and it was the 80s. and then we went like on a party bus to her other friend's house and it was the 70s

so we got to go like back in time that is the best idea ever thank you thank you do you want to help me plan natalie's birthday totally man yeah are you coming next like because we were gonna go to third street go to jones on third um send to craigs it's coming up and uh i'm always happy to bounce i have i have some anxiety about it because i i'm not a big birthday guy i've never been a big birthday guy right i it uh it feels uncomfortable to celebrate myself i i feel you that's why i would like to do birthdays with my like extended family like all my relatives and stuff because I don't want to stress out about it while I'm here in LA because you have so many

different friends groups some people might show up too many people show up and you have to entertain all these different people I like to keep it with the family yeah also being sung happy birthday too is the worst oh I've gotten better at it I used to hate it now i'm like come

on do you go with the happy birthday or a happy birthday to do you have you heard that version stevie wonder is that the stevie wonder version yes yeah that's a good one you know like the happy birthday song is apparently like written wrong in terms of like the composition of music like it's it falls off like it's like happy birthday to you happy birthday to you happy birthday happy birthday to you it's really bad but a guy like recomposed it and made it sound so much more beautiful like there's two notes that should be switched instead of going down like anyone who like understands music wouldn't understand what you're saying yeah i don't understand music but i like to listen to people who do understand music.

Well, I'm glad to have you here, Matt. I got to know Matt. Well, we've been friends. I like to call us friends. Yes, we're friends now. For, I don't know, a month and a half. Our girlfriends are friends. Yes, they know each other.

They know each other. they know each other and then you came over for a small get together and i loaned you a pair of my uh swimsuit which is the kindest thing you can do to like another man coming over to your house you just met him you offered yeah your swimsuits he gave me two swimsuits and i got to pick you gave me choices because you know when i wear a swimsuit it's just me in the suit and then i i loaned that to you there's no but let me just say it's not like loaning pants these were very like nick by all swimsuits though like i got like pretty skinny chicken legs these were like suits you would wear to like i don't like a like a club party like in vegas kind of swimsuits like

his physique complements the swimsuits didn't compliment my physique but luckily there was only like six or seven people there yeah yeah and then i uh i found you uh to be delightful and and i learned more about you and i wanted to have you come on and chat about life and love and relationships and friendships before we get into all of that uh i had my crack research team do some digging on your life and i found out that you were the neotalk national champion in 2010 you're a great orator you were great at giving speeches public speaking yes and i have so many questions about that to clarify this is speech like public speaking not debate yeah so like a speech and debate team there's the speech team the debate team they're like arguing politics doing cross

examination and all of that that's not you no speech is um there's like different categories there's like public address speeches ones that you have written and prepared and memorized about a certain topic that you're passionate about. That's what like I did. There's like interpret, you do like competitive acting. You're a national champion. National champion of the NITOC.

When I was in high school, my senior year of high school. That's really cool. Thank you. What was your speech on? So did you ever have a fear? You know, like people say, I'd rather die than have, you know, public speaking. Did you you ever have a you know like people say i'd

rather die than have you know public speaking did you have to overcome a fear or you're just like i like talking in front of an audience yes i definitely had a huge fear of public speaking and the way i kind of got into speech was because um when we were going from like middle school theater to high school theater our high school theater department was really big about you doing competitive speech and like competitive acting because it makes you a stronger performer because every weekend you're having to go to tournaments, you're performing for large groups of people, you're being judged, you're receiving criticism, you're getting placed. And with that, every round is an audition. And so you kind of get this bug in you to be more confident and to be more

um i don't know open with your performance and your choices and stuff so we would do that on the weekends as theater kids and then you stumble into public address and speech so i hated it in the beginning i was terrified i never liked going to the tournaments and then i won one tournament my sophomore year and i got the bug and i loved going to the tournaments and then i won one tournament my sophomore year and i got the bug and i loved going to the tournaments because you could like meet all these kids from other schools you could meet like girls and like talk to them like that was like your competition you get to flirt in the cafeteria and eat donuts and monster energy drinks and just chat i loved it what how how does one win one wins by going making it two finals after getting like eliminated by placing in the top two out of like eight people in prelims and semis.

And then you have like a huge panel of judges and they rank you. But like on what? Like for me, you know, podcasting, I talk, but I have a lot of wasted words. I use the word like a lot. I still struggle with like. Do you do that? Yes. Or like, are you allowed to do that in a speech that you're like?

No, you shouldn't do that in a speech. Well, how do you practice not doing it? You just write it, you memorize it, and you memorize it without saying the ums. Oh. Is it a teleprompter or are you? No, it's not newscasting. No, no. I'm just giving you a hard time.

No, it's. Is there banging on the table where you're giving a... That's in like CX and like debate and stuff. I wish we could do that. But no, you're just getting up. You kind of have your three points.

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Like sometimes I hate listening to myself doing a podcast. I still kind of like freak out in moments like this when I'm talking. myself doing a podcast. I still kind of like freak out in moments like this when I'm talking. Like even when I got to college, I was still so scared to talk to people because I was so used to talking to people that I just like spent all my time around. Like realizing you have to now communicate with people who may become your friend, may not be your friend, people that can take you to further places in your life and career wise. There was like a whole new level of talking and i struggled with that do you feel like it helped make you a good friend maker like it yeah i'm saying like yeah my friends always give me a hard time they're like matt you

know like everybody like i just have different friend groups not like i know everyone there is to know it's just there's a lot of people in my life that I have because I guess through my way of talking. I don't know. You're approachable. Yeah. Yeah. I think so. I like to I think everybody is like an open book and I find people really interesting.

So I and I'm kind of just like a no bullshit person. So do you find everyone interesting? No, not really. It all depends on what somebody like has to offer in a conversation. Well, that's how I am. And it's a bad habit I have where it's just? No, not really. It all depends on what somebody has to offer in a conversation. Well, that's how I am. And it's a bad habit I have. Where it's just like, I'm not interested. And then I'll like sign out.

But I feel like you are better at at least pretending or finding something. I hate dead space. I think I operate in terms of conversation based out of anxiety. And just being like, well, let's just get through this because by me participating in the conversation, getting this person involved makes me feel less like I don't want to be here. People don't want me here. That's how I kind of see it.

I wish I had that. I'm the opposite. I have the same anxiety, but I'll just look at you. You're tough. You have qualities I wish i had like when we were recording my podcast we had both of our girlfriends in the room listening and watching and it's not like this where it's like a pretty big room and they're sitting over there they were right up close and i was stressing out the entire time because i felt like our banter wasn't um kind of in the

right groove or i wasn't in the right mindset because they were right there and i was too nervous to tell our girlfriends to leave the room and i was like i can tell but finally you did yeah and you were like do people think you're like do people uh what did you ask me you said i i what are you a polite person i'm like are you really polite i said because i like to think so and he goes well i can tell because if that was on my podcast and they were in i would just be like get out well yeah i mean i would because i could tell you were like you i could tell you kept looking at them the whole time and i just know that if it would have bothered me early on i would have been like hey do you mind like leaving i'm a people pleaser i got 45 minutes yeah and especially when it's your

girlfriend and like your girlfriend i was like i don't want any of this to i don't know carry over till after the podcast but yeah no it's funny because i i uh like i know people like it if i'm blunt or i love your honesty but like sometimes it doesn't always serve me well like especially i'm like hey can you get out and you know you're right and then sometimes i i'm i'm a little too abrupt and then it it burns me but i think this is good now that we're starting our friendship is these qualities are going to rub off onto one another so i'll be coming a little i'll get a little bit more tough you'll get a little bit more opening your conversation there we go it's a win-win so you've been with patricia for how long

a year and eight months we our anniversary is january 3rd so it's pretty easy math january 3rd why is that easy math because it's it's january 3rd oh it's like the beginning of the year so you just kind of look at the date and subtract three days shut up Amanda it's okay I get it math is hard yeah before you met Patricia we don't have to get into the relationship itself but you you you've been heartbroken oh my gosh yeah completely why were you heartbroken and more specifically we always get a lot of questions about dealing with heartbreak and I always will like give my point of view but from you know you're happily in love now when i met you i thought to myself this couldn't be a guy who's ever not been in love with anyone else but his current girlfriend but obviously that's not reality uh how did you yourself get over the heartbreak and then what

helped you get ready to move on and And were you single for a while? What was that process like between kind of healing from the past relationship to meeting your current girlfriend? So I think what's so crazy about heartbreak is like obviously looking back and seeing how far you've come. And it is so wild thinking back onto when you do have your heart broken, you really truly feel like you're at the lowest of the low and there is no light at the end of the tunnel. And that this is as good as it's going to get as you being alone. And now looking back, I'm just like, wow, I'm a completely different person. And that's so crazy that you could be in that dark of a place. So I guess the first thing is like, you're not alone. And everyone tells you it gets better, it gets better, it does. But I guess how that journey

went is realizing I needed to first like love myself because you had put so much energy and so much time into another person. And realizing that it didn't pay off, and it didn't work out is a tough thing to like stomach and accept. And it's okay to be upset. That was a big thing that I had to learn was like, one, it's okay to feel heartbroken. It's okay to be upset. But most importantly, it's important to like love yourself. And then getting into finding out who you really are again, getting into your hobbies, getting into taking all the trips and vacations and chasing your curiosities to wherever they want to take you, falling in love with your creative work, and in spending time with your friends and making your own friend circle. And that's really what I

did kind of like post Vine, coming into like my YouTube friends and stuff. We just really immersed ourselves in our work, our senses of humor. and that kind of got me onto a different level of uh with my career and then yeah okay okay so you're just how big is this question as big as you want to make it and then in the process of that also getting yourself back on the on you to your two feet you know kind of realizing you're in a now different mindset where you're not constantly thinking about this other person. You're now open to kind of dating and seeing other people and test driving other cars and figuring out what works, realizing what you really want and what you're looking for is very important because a lot of times I think people immediately want to hop into something because they just miss intimacy. They just miss having somebody. They just miss the routine of a relationship. And sometimes the time that

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while you're going through the healing process, that you sound like a reflective man, one thing that you thought you were doing right in your past relationship that you've realized i don't want to bring that into my current relationship like something you learned about yourself or kind of misplaced effort or something you thought you know we should do this and this is what love means and then you realize that i shouldn't i shouldn't be doing that or i don't want to do that i I guess like looking back,

I would say really giving your partner the space to grow on their own. I think with my past relationship, there was a pretty big like age difference. And when you're older, especially like with you and your relationship, there is like a bit of an age difference. You see so much of your

younger self in them and you want to kind of offer that advice and guide them better because you've been through it all. Sometimes it's best just to let that person experience things as they come and you can't really be their coach or mentor like through whatever they're going through. So I think giving your partner just a little bit more breathing room as they discover things and not be too much of like a, I don't know, like a hovering teacher of wisdom just because you're older. Yeah, it's a fine line between, you know, regardless of even age difference, you know, people are like, oh, you help your partner be their better self. And then where do you draw the line between like giving your two cents or listening? And I think guys have a struggle with that too, where it's just like we tend to want to be problem solvers.

And that's something I've always struggled with. It was just like, I think my girlfriend just wants to vent. And I think I'm pretty sure I'm just supposed to listen. Right. And just agree as opposed to being like and i mean i'll always struggle with that and even now there's been like i'm not like interested in in what you have to say like i just you know it's like sometimes i just want to talk shit yeah or you know and it's in a safe circle between like she's not like talking shit and she's really not a gossip

at all but like i i sometimes i just need to listen, and that's kind of the sexier approach you can have with it because it's not very sexy to just be like, well, you need to do this. Have you done this today? Because this will take you further in your career if you do that. And that's just not what they need. They don't need really a life coach. They just need a good life partner to make them you know feel absolved and validated and heard when

you met patricia uh were you fully over and healed from your relationship and and what was it about her that made you realize like i want to actually commit to this relationship or invest my time as opposed to you know just a girl i'm dating you know and maybe i'll just keep looking healed certainly not but getting ready kind of because when i saw her was i was at a party it was like a watch party at an airbnb a bunch of ut people were there and a bunch of alabama people were there watching a game and i saw her from across the party and dude i know nothing about sports at all it's one of my biggest weaknesses um but i saw patricia there you know this gorgeous blonde blue-eyed girl with big lips and this raspy voice and a huge personality an amazing smile just schooling these guys talking about sports

they're like she was like well you're a player you guys should have traded this and when you guys had that coach you were on a losing streak in that game and i was watching her i'm like who is this chick and it's kind of like sexy when somebody knows a lot about something that you know nothing about so i was pretty attracted to that but i couldn't get myself to like really get her number and talk to her i just went up to her at the end of the party when i was leaving and i was just saying i think you're just like the cutest thing in the world. My name's Matt, but I got to go right now. And she was like, who the hell are you? That's pretty good.

I don't know if I've ever done something like that smooth. Well, because like it was, the Uber was there and I had no time to spare. So it was the out that helped. Like knowing you had to get in the cab help. Yes. Because you know you couldn't linger. I just wanted to shoot my shot. I think that helps, right?

Yeah. Because I didn't know if I was going to run into her again. No, I've done that twice on two separate occasions. As the Uber pulled up one time, I was in a frat house and this guy was really hot and he was talking to a couple other girls. And I just walked straight up to him and I was like, are you going to help me win this bet with my friends? And he was like, what's the bet?

And I was like, that you kiss me before I leave. Kiss me and then I ran in the Uber. And then another time I was at a party and my friend was driving me home. But did you exchange information? No, not at all. That wasn't what it was about. I just thought he was hot. And there's a reason why my roommates called me balls for like a whole year.

And then. I will not ever refer to you as that. And then I did it at a party recently and my friend was driving and she was like, we got to go. And it was the same. I was like, it's a now or never decision. And then I went up to that guy

and I was like, are you single? And he was like, yeah. And I was like, great. Want to go on a date? Damn. Yeah. Forward. I like, yeah, I guess.

Yeah, I like that. Have the exit strategy so you don't like uncomfortably linger. Be like, hi. That's when it's like an Uber pool. And they're in the same pool. As embarrassing as that was, she has no memory of me doing that

until I saw her again a month later at a party. And like I followed her on Instagram. We like talked and stuff. And I wasn't really ready to like pursue her. But every time I'd see her on Instagram, I was like, damn, that Patricia girl is like such a catch. She is like a really good one. But I wasn't ready for it. I was still enjoying being single.

And then I saw her at a bar with another guy. And I saw that she kissed him. And I was like devastated. I looked to my buddy Mike. I'm like, that Patricia I I I looked to my buddy Mike I'm like that Patricia girl is with another guy and then I went up to one of her friends and I asked is that Patricia's boyfriend and they said no she's just like on a date she's just been talking to him and I was like okay sent her a text the next morning I invited her to brunch and she came and then your first

date was a brunch oh yeah it was a brunch just the two of you or friends me and like five other guys and i wanted to see if she could hang and she could she really could i think do women do that as much as guys because i do like i natalie i when i met her i quickly invited her out with friends because i i just kind of wanted to see how she could hang. Do women do that often if they have the opportunity right away? I do it with my roommate a lot because she is fantastic. She is not particularly accommodating as people expect women to be.

And so she'll just be very like not rude, but very direct with men. And they freak out every time or not freak out, but it's very unnerving for them. So they have to pass like the roommate test though if they get along with her it's a good thing or you definitely want to see them interact i just want to see their dynamic like she told one man to his face she was like i think that's an emotional manipulation tactic one time when we were like hanging out with him and she was right she was right a lot yeah he was like being really self-deprecating in a way that was like meant to like sort of set the context, contextualize him. This is like Aunt Lindsay or whatever Katie's aunt is. No, not like that at all.

Cause she's very, cause like she's very fun and she's not cruel, but she's just like direct. So Katie's aunt is cruel. I feel like maybe women, and correct me if I'm wrong here, but like I feel like maybe they have one or two friends that they're more likely to try it out with as opposed to like a huge group setting.

Right. Amanda's the best person to do anything with. Like if you're going out or talking to a guy, she's the most, like Amanda, oh, it was when we were with the Italian boys and they were all speaking different languages and I don't speak a different language very well. And Amanda was like, great.

It's like, let's go around and like was trying to like involve me in it. And she was like, so like, I'll say it in German. You say it in Italian. And then Allie can do it in a Minnesotan accent. She like found a way to involve me in this game and I was like, you're a great wing woman. Thank you. So broad. I'm older. I feel so old after hearing that. Like I just like, hey, come hang out with my friends and if you can get along with our sense of

humor is cool. Chrissy's just sending nudes. Be like, I'll be here. Well, you know, the Spice Girls once said, you know, if you want to be my lover, you got to get with my friends. There you go. You know, so that's what's important.

Is that what you text Patricia as you invited her to brunch? No way. If you want to be my lover, you got to get with my friends. If someone texted me that, I'd be like, I'm in.

Yeah. I actually think that would be a great, it would be a great, like slide into the DM. I'm still trying to play it cool. I didn't want to freak her out with just putting lover already into it and putting that in their head but i kept asking her out like every week for dinner and she kept saying yes but it wasn't that good in the beginning like the first

date i took her on she didn't ask me any questions not like one question dude That's a red flag. I know. That's not great. Why kept you? Because I knew she had a heart of gold and I knew she was just being shy and like worried because she wasn't that interested in me. She really wasn't. But her friends were like, Matt's a good guy. You should give him a shot. And I just wanted to show that to her that I was interested.

And dude, I was doing the craziest things to get Patricia to like me. So you know how she loves sports. And whenever there was a big Auburn game coming up, I would just look up an article about the game, you know, like some sports analysts saying how they think the game's going to go. I would copy just a paragraph from the article and like reword it my own words and send it to her.

And so she really thought that I knew so much about Auburn football, all about the quarterback, the coach, everything, and I knew nothing. And I would keep copying and pasting every little paragraph to keep the conversation going. And eventually she caught on was thinking like, Google's a pretty good tool. So when did she start asking you questions?

She started asking you questions she started asking me questions when she finally asked me a question uh during one of our dates and i'm like oh wow yes your question and then did you actually call her out yes i did and then she was like smiling and like laughed it off and then i was kind of worried i said that because i was like that maybe wasn't a good joke to land and because maybe i made her really nervous and put her off spot and then ever since that it's been nothing but questions but do you open up the floodgate she had never been though i think in like she has never really been like i think in a long-term relationship and i think she just wasn't used to like i don't know people go reciprocate different speeds yeah it's like natalie will joke all the

time she's like remember when i was really shy i never talked around you i'm like i know it's a good day no i'm just kidding but she's actually i love that um it's it's just a funny joke but yes people go slower and i know like i don't know maybe yeah maybe patricia was more nervous or i really should have taken it as a red flag because i think anybody would but there was some draw that i just had to her that i couldn't shake or get off my mind and i'm really happy i stuck with you make an interesting point because it's definitely a red flag overall like if anyone asked me you know like they didn't ask questions i've're like a red flag but you have to account for nervousness and and you know politeness or or whatever you know they're and that's why people like should be open i guess to second or third dates because you you know there is a anxiety or

nerves on a first date it's hard to be like i'm gonna you know, people will say like, be yourself. And it's just like, how do I do that on a first or second date? And now everyone, you're just totally in love. Oh, I love her. I love her so much. You know, one question, especially as you mentioned, because when you first met her, you weren't like totally healed and from the past relationship and that. There's often those lines blur, right?

When did you at all felt comfortable enough to talk to patricia if if you did at all about like your past relationship because you know you you don't want to like do that early on you don't want to be like i'm talking about your past relationship but at some point it's just nice to you know know where you came from or what you've dealt with oh i remember i remember i remember the first time she ever asked about it it was during like one of our like third or fourth dates we were getting sushi and she just wanted to know the story of like what happened and that was like kind of i don't know it was like a very vulnerable moment where you're like you kind of have to do i really go here yeah

yeah but then also you know the facts and you know you're the one whose heart was broken so you don't you don't want to sound like you're still caught up in it yeah but at the same time that you're like i'm a pretty loyal person so having experienced this i would never do this kind of a thing she handled it well yeah she's handled it really well i mean we still kind of grow with it totally understand yeah obviously your friends are important to you you have a tight group of a friend circle uh and your friend david dobrik obviously was in the news uh and he's acknowledged and apologized and the question i have for you when it comes to like friendship

you know sometimes people like what makes a good friend how do you you know be there for your friends but at the same time it's like i always talk about like being a real friend is sometimes you know holding your friends accountable and and being there to say you know like you can you can do better what was that situation what was that situation like for you as a friend to david and how do you feel about like, you know, how did you support your friend while at the same time, you know, having any tough conversations with him? A lot of us were like very confused and very disappointed, you know, and not only David, but all the other people that were involved. And it was a really tough place because you're angry,

you're disappointed, you're confused because there's a lot and everyone has a different story about what's going on. And at the same time, you know, you have to believe who's ever bringing this story forward. I think, you know, it came in waves and entirely honest where you're angry and then you're disappointed and then you kind of go into a place of distance. I gave David plenty of space and time for him to reflect on how he was going to deal with that um and i think he did a really great job in terms of uh telling people that he really missed the mark and that he will continue to do better and be better and i believe him straight up um i think my biggest concern during that time was just making sure that david's like mental health was going to be fine you know because his whole work is his creative energy and his mind

and at the same time though david has like his real close knit of people in the group because our group is massive um and i'm kind of like on the outer rim in terms of like the people who spend their close day-to-day with him um But he had a really great support group with people around him. And every time I saw him and I was just like, I just want to make sure you're okay. You know, like you, everything going good upstairs because you can get some pretty dark places during times like that. But still at the same time, you know,

some serious issues needed to be handled. And he continues to get better every single day. And I'm very proud of him. But yeah, still at the same time, very disappointed in the situation. But yeah, I think just the main thing is like holding your friends accountable, having those conversations. And that was a big thing is like having these types of talks, you know, separate from David's issue, but how do we plan for things like this? And mainly, how do we prevent plan for things like this and mainly how do we prevent and also why it's important to never put ourselves in situations like this again because it not only affects

you know the people involved that affects everyone on the outer rim who's associated with your creative group totally that makes any sense yeah totally and it was like a teach like you said kind of almost like a teachable moment for, for you guys or you specifically about, you know, whether, you know, how can, you know, how did David get in this situation? What can I learn from it? You know, and I don't know all the details. Obviously, I'm aware of the overall situation, but I guess we can always just try to learn not only from our mistakes, but from the people around us. Definitely, definitely. It certainly has made our group a lot stronger than it has before. You mentioned you have a lot of different friend groups. I do as well. How do you pick friends in terms of, I think nowadays, I think making friends, especially in adult life, you're mid-20s, high school, college, easier to make friends. Making friends in adult life is a little different. Do you have a certain kind of in your mind, like we have our list of when we're dating,

but in terms of making friends, is that something that's still important to you to keep expanding your circle of influence? And how do you go about doing that um i guess like yes i have so many friend groups you know i have you your internet friends and then you have friends from college and then you just have friends through friends that you've made out here um and it's tough certainly to balance all of them um but i think one of the best things is, is when certain friends really start shining out to you, the more and more you get to know them and you realize that's your favorite person in the group in a way. And also realizing at the same time, you can be the host of your own party and your own social group. I used to have like a really tough issue with

being like, I have to go hang out with this group. I have to go hang out with this group and I can't hang out with them at the same time. And then you do hang out with this one when you can kind of like invite the people you want to be around you, I think is really important in honoring those people. I think in my favorite type of friends, I think are the people who there's a mutual sense of like respect and excitement for one another and whatever you're doing in life because in our group everybody is on like different pages with like their success and what they want in terms of like getting content and wherever they're at in life i don't know hold on i'm kind of like in a mess right now thinking about how to answer that question i think you're i think that was all great oh okay are you over nothing no I'm not. Are you an overthinker?

I try not to. I've been meditating a lot, but. You have? Yeah. How long have you been doing that for? Three or four weeks. Oh. But I'll probably give up on it in like, I don't know, another three or four weeks and then I'll get back into it.

I'm such an advocate for it. I definitely don't do it a ton or like things like yoga or meditation. Therapy is the one thing I've really stuck with when I started. But meditating is just, it's really hard for, for me to, to do. I haven't seen my therapist in a while and I'm debating on getting back into it because, but do you have a therapist? Yeah. Darlene. Darlene. So you have a woman. Do you like it?

Yeah. I think I need a man. Why? And this isn't about, I'm not trying to make this a gender thing. I realized with my last therapist, I kind of had this like maternal instinct with her where I just wanted to feel comforted by her

or I just felt like I was just chatting and gossiping with her about something. And I feel like I really need a man to be like, Matt, buck up, get with get with it like this is silly well darlene will like go shoot me straight for sure okay and maybe i need to check out darlene darlene what's her name i don't know that's not legal i don't think you can't say i don't know honestly i don't even know her last name i've listened to podcasts where they've said their uh therapist i don't think she would mind it. Eventually I'll have Darlene on the podcast. Just do therapy for the pod. I don't think that's legal, actually.

I don't think she'd be allowed to, even if I consented. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah, but I think rather man or woman, I think therapy, you just need to feel comfortable and get value out of it. It's like going to a mechanic or a doctor or whatever. You need to – not everyone's created equal.

You have to have a good match. It's therapy. You have to be comfortable talking. You might need to get something out of therapy different than what I might need to get out of it. But I've never, yeah, I just was referred to Darlene. And so I had no necessarily preference man or or woman and it's helped yeah it's it helps level me out for at first we started doing like once a week

and then it was like she's like i think you're good but like let's just i'll like check in every other week it's kind of uh it's like maintenance and then if i feel like i need to like unload on something like if something's bugging me and like i've just really irritated like it's like first you know you know natalie lives there right so i'll she's always the first to hear my anxiety and then you know chris you might get a call or whatever but i feel like i've exhausted like it's like okay i need to like deal with this rather than like just vent to someone and it's someone who is you know so private and removed from your personal life they're not gonna tell anybody it's such a release like like literally legally not allowed to oh yeah

that's great i love it i know that's that's why i want to get back into it is just have somebody to you know unload to that doesn't carry that out into any of my like personal relationships or friends or anything it's kind of nice uh you have a lot of successful friends uh especially successful friends at a young age you're successful yourself do you ever get jealous or do you consider yourself a jealous person and how do you make sure that, or do you use your friend's success to elevate you rather than trigger you? Because I think we all like to be, you know, build our friends up and root for their success.

But like, if you're honest and you're human, it's not always easy to do. Like sometimes it's just like, you know, like I could do a better job, but like, I'm really happy for you, but like also fuck off. No, it's just like you know like i could do a better job but like i'm really happy for you but like also fuck off um no it's really hard being 29 and then some of your friends in your friend group are like 23 and 24 and they have like lamborghinis and they're making you know millions and millions of dollars a year um definitely i've had moments of like jealousy but lately as i've gotten older i'm never really jealous over uh i don't know material things nor even like success number wise on how much clout you have i'm mostly jealous of people who are successful and i think are like genuinely like

happy like you can like feel it in them that there is no other because usually a lot of them sometimes they're comparing themselves to somebody else and it's just endless and i think the biggest thing about jealousy is always realizing that no matter what you're doing and how much you're killing it in life and there's always going to be somebody else out there who is doing better than you and that's the genuine truth and I think once you kind of accept that and be genuinely happy for people and their own success it helps you appreciate your own success a little bit more and it kind of rubs off onto you in a good way but I think a lot of times people I don't know I've witnessed in like the holes kind of social media group is everyone is just constantly comparing themselves to someone else.

And they're like, oh, did you see this, what they did? I can't believe that. They must be doing the math in their head, trying to calculate how much money that person's making a month. I'm like, yeah, that's dope. But it's also kind of a weak thing to bring up. Be like, but are they really happy? Are they really happy? Are they really happy though?

You kind of don't want to be that person all the time who's like bringing that up to people and that's your talking point. I don't know. They seem lonely. Yeah. I don't know. They seem happy. Everyone would be like, shut up.

No one wants to hear that. But that's what you got to kind of tell yourself is like, eh, are they happy? What makes you, like what motivates you? What makes you happy? I like what motivates you what makes you happy um i guess what motivates what genuinely motivates me is just like knowing one day you'll have a family oh and just wanting to be able to like provide for them and making sure that i have enough time for them yeah and like just doing all that like this you want to be a dad

oh yeah for sure don't do you very much so yeah just and not saying i i i love my dad my dad was amazing he did an incredible job and he still is an amazing father but he was just a really compassionate he still is a very like compassionate person really teaches us to chase our curiosity and i can't wait to do that for my kids but yeah that's what motivates me i'm gonna steal this from andy grammar uh what's one thing that your dad did raising you that you want to make sure you bring in uh to your family as a father and then what's one thing that despite your dad being amazing that you learn from him maybe something not to do because there's always things our parents done because they learned from their grandparents and it was like 19 fucking whatever yeah um and what's

one thing that um you know you didn't necessarily got wrong but you're just like i think we're going to do a little bit differently just because their times are changed or we recognize that maybe there's a better way of doing it um number one with my dad uh of something that i hope to emulate and bring back into like my own state of fatherhood my dad uh would get me and my brother really hooked onto podcasts at a very young age and from that i think it really expanded my brother and i's like curiosity and what we found really interesting like we listened to this american life by ira glass when i was like in sixth grade all the time. And I really looked forward to that, listening to those podcasts while he was dropping us off at school and us

talking about it and us looking forward to the next one and talking about it, going and seeing podcast shows, which is something usually like a normal kid in sixth grade isn't really into, but it became a really great like creative bond i had with me my brother and my dad um so i hope to do something like that a good kind of creative bonding thing that kind of that curiosity of listening to a podcast learning how to think critically just transcends into everything else you do in life so that's what i would do that one like that's great cultivating creativity and curiosity and sharing it you know um you know within our relationship um something that i would do differently yeah hmm i guess like

i still try to practice it like really kind of controlling my anger and by no means was my dad like sure an angry person never angry towards me really ever i mean i was a little shit at times but i mean who isn't but my dad it would be like oh if you're like repairing a sink or something or like the cabinet you know latch is broken and you're fixing it your dad's just like cursing and getting so angry and you have those moments of like jesus what's wrong like those kind of moments i know i hope i can like always maintain my cool a little bit better about insignificant things in front of my kids. Because I catch myself doing it a lot. Like Patricia and I were in bed the other day and like the phone charger behind the bed like got loose.

And I was just like, are you kidding me? Like this is ridiculous. And like I'm getting this angry about something so insignificant. But usually I'm just projecting that anger from something else that happened earlier in the day and then what was the third one just those two oh i think i mean unless you have more no i think that's what i would do just try to keep my cool be a little bit more zen kind of a dad i like that yeah i some one thing i think about too because like obviously i'm not a dad yet. I still hope to be, um, I'm older, uh, now and, and, and certainly older than I thought I would be when I'm like,

you know, my parents hadn't me at like 22. Right. So, and I guess I, you know, I always try to be grateful for how things played out, but I think like, I think I always would have been a good dad, right. Like I had great parents and great values. But I always think to myself, especially lately, I guess, you know, and I'm still not a father, so I don't know if I'll ever be lucky enough to be one. But I've realized just how much better of a father I'll be now than if I, say, I had a kid at 23, 24, or 25, or 26. And I just feel like all the things I got wrong in my own relationships or friendships or how I handled stress and adversity or how I was as a brother that I'm like I could have done

things differently and it's just like we and again I love my parents so much and I had such a great upbringing and they were so fantastic but like it's kind of crazy to me when I think about it, how, you know, we become parents at, I guess, any age. And especially back in the day, it was more normal. And it still is to a certain degree, like have kids in your 20s. It's like how little we don't know about life or ourselves. And yet we're like responsible for like teaching these humans that we created about life and it's just like i guess i just try to be thankful it's just like oh well i'm not a dad yet and i still hope to be but now i guess i'm grateful i haven't had one yet because of i think about if i was honest how

i would have talked to my kid if they did something wrong or how i would sit down with them or lecture them and instead of like i think i would have honestly like belittled my kid more than I should have when I was younger thinking I was going to be like a tough coach or something. Yeah. You know, like I responded well to tough coaching, but there's a time and a place and I don't feel like I really knew when to turn it on and off.

And I, like something I've recognized about myself and that I, I just like, I'm grateful for is that like, about myself and that i i just like i'm grateful for is that like i feel like i will be much more empathetic to my kids first before i try to like teach them a tough lesson yeah i don't you know and i don't know you're talking to me think about that emotionally validate them you know make sure that they're heard and they're seen and uh yeah like i love i love like parenting tiktok like i don't even have kids and I get suggested

these TikToks of just like parents sitting down with their kid when they're having a tantrum and just like slowly calming them down it's just like magic and fascinating I love that oh I haven't got on parenting TikTok it's Rush we're talking about it you're good I love parenting TikTok oh we should so yes it fills your heart up i've been on rush tiktok alabama rush tiktok oh my god are we rushing zeta it's midnight what is it the ot outfit of otd my earrings are from mod cloth or i don't even know if they have earrings my dress is from anthropology my shoes are from it was all over tiktok over the weekend so i went out confused when it was going on i'mok over the weekend so i went on confused

when it was going on i'm like what is going on because everybody was making these tiktoks about rushing in the sorority um but is it over now or do you think it's going to continue well no it's just a week but right then i found out that like apparently there's like this like an overarching like group of like advice you know and they like got some tiktokers banned or something because it almost was like they didn't like that like it was getting out in the wild it's showing yeah also like then you learn they have a very problematic past it was it was segregated up into like 2013 which is kind of wild and fucked up um it's it's a it was a bizarre thing and then like yeah there was this and then you're like you start rooting for people

because you realize they're all trying out there's this like one young lady who very eccentric very like elaborate outfit and that was just like i want her to get in because i could see someone like teasing her or right picking on her and i don't even know who this person is and i'm just like i'm rooting for the underdog i saw one and someone i don't know if it was like the mario i don't know what like video game it was but it was like the choose your fighter and it like took all of them and then they all have their middle names so it was like mckenna grace taylor fay like going through all of them wait so you did sororities both of you you did okay you did

i would not have gay sorority so even though it's like not official not in an official capacity but i feel like that tells you the vibe and it's my sorority has since disbanded and i do i'm actually really regretful of participating in greek life all right yeah it seems well now I feel like it's hitting this whole new wave at first people were deleting their fraternities and sororities on their resumes and now I don't know I feel like well people are getting all excited about it specifically like Alabama TikTok and I think obviously the south has a the history is complicated problematic but also they take a lot of pride in their history. And so I think in the South, it's still a big deal. I have a question.

So when they open up those cards and they get their bids, right? I know nothing about free time. You know what I'm talking about though, when they open up the card and then it says, oh, CTA. The only thing I know about that is talking about, though, when they open up the card and then it says, oh, CTA. The only thing I know about that is the movie Social Network where the Phoenix. Oh, the Phoenix.

That's all I know about Greek life. I did from the Phoenix. Yeah. But go ahead. What was your question? But I'm curious. So when they open up those and they're always screaming, they're so excited. What happens to the people who don't get picked or they don't get the sorority they want

yeah so at least at Northwestern if you went to all the parties and you still had you know anywhere between one and three houses on prep night the night before you're guaranteed a bid from at least one of them so you're gonna get a card but you sometimes get the house you don't want so each sorority so like I was an a fee we'd have, so like I was an AFE, we'd have a few girls go. The one to be. Like, we'd have a few girls like station. And I think each house would send a few like representatives to go to where they open the cards to comfort the girls who were like sobbing. Like what?

Like people show up at your door like your kid has died in war and they go, we have something to tell you. Yeah. Well, if they were really upset, they'd like comfort them, like get clean see i want to see that i want to see that show me those moments i want to create the greek life for sorority or fraternity of all the people who don't get in and then be the best house bunny house bunny what is that or snow white her movie house bunny have you not seen the movie house Bunny? Or Sidney White. That was the other one. Eyes are the nipple of the face. I have no idea.

Natalie. Your girlfriend's name's Natalie. You've never been like, Natalie. Go ahead. When you go and see Natalie today, just see her and go, Natalie. Okay. That's in House Bunny, right? Yes.

And the what? The premise is they literally started a fraternity. So Anna Faris plays the bunny at Playboy Mansion who gets kicked out and so she has nowhere to go and so she finds this like misfit sorority and her whole goal is to help them cultivate membership before their house gets foreclosed emma stone's in it really yeah it's really good okay natalie natalie got me on uh the megan Fox what's Jennifer's Body yes

I watched that with Patricia for the first time a month ago she I think had seen it when she was younger it kind of holds up though it's Natalie's one of Natalie's favorite movies

the director of Juno yeah yeah Diablo something Diablo Cody yeah there you go yeah all right what do we got

Matt we got a game we're gonna wrap things up with it's real simple it's a lot of fun it's called do you know me we're just gonna ask questions does matt this has matt ever done that and you are going to answer these questions uh you're welcome to just simply give the answer anecdotal stories are welcomed but not expected and away we go do you know me with matt king did matt cook at home more does matt did matt oh this week did matt cook at home more than ordering this week oh this week has been nothing but ordering but i have been getting better do you like to do some meal prep what do you mean? I've been really cooking at home and prepping my meals. What's your go-to?

I just get a slow cooker and get a bunch of chicken, add some salsa, season it up, let that cook on low for like six hours, shred it up, and then just turn those into like tacos, rice bowls. Okay. Yeah. Some little eggs in the morning. And is that like a week-long meal then? No, not a week-long meal.

Just like kind of afternoon. If you're ordering twice a day let's get that adds up would matt give up his phone for a week for a thousand dollars raise his stakes uh you know what yeah i would because it would be so nice to not have my phone like actually that sounds great like because like we work in like this social media internet world every time we pick up our phone like getting on instagram is kind of work yeah are you addicted to your phone um no not really not actually good for you i'm not that it's not that bad i'm addicted to tiktok when i'm on it yeah but like my phone itself i love being off do you have a an addiction of any kind oh what am i addicted

to yeah right now i'm addicted to halloween villages you know christmas villages y'all like tiny christmas villages i'm into halloween villages i i mean i stayed up like not almost all night watching videos of people making them i drove down to san diego yesterday and drove back and i spent over a thousand dollars on tiny spooky villages my entire car right now i'm not kidding you is filled with them this is that's my new addiction right now halloween's your favorite holiday no it's not christmas is my favorite the thing is i went above and beyond making my christmas village last year and then i walked into michael's the other day and saw a spooky village and it just started going off in my head and dude the spooky the spooky village man it is a different game it's more expensive these are like like some top level pieces man do you dress up for lights involved yes do you dress

up for you big costume guy yeah sure I actually should plan a lot more this year Halloween always happens like so last minute and I'm like shit I need a costume and then you're running a party city and the line is out the door and you're screwed but I'll try to be better that's my addiction does Matt know who wrote the great gatsby f scott fitzgerald no i didn't know you didn't know yeah i didn't i'm just gonna be totally honest or was it zelda fitzgerald who knows everyone said zelda was really the writer behind f scott no idea who either of those people are oh my god really nicholas why are you guys looking at me with such disgust i can't know

everything i feel like you're a very cultured person and that would also just come right off and i'm i can comfortably admit my ignorance with life i mean that's like the great gatsby though that's like the yeah i understand give a mouse a cookie but for like high school i can't wait is someone to come after me like people came after katie for not naming four countries in africa anyways it was a whole thing um i didn't know i'm sorry i can't know everything has matt ever been cheated on yeah yeah do you want to elaborate or just want to leave it and move on i'll leave it at that okay same buddy yeah i've been there does matt know three of their friends birthdays by heart oh boy

friends you you should know this wow i know i only know my family and like patricia you don't know like childhood friends like the people in elementary school actually yeah uh my friend Addison, I believe is April 30th. My friend John is December 12th. And then, oh, and Aaron Wertheim is April 1st. I like how he called that back. Because all of like the classrooms used to have like the monthly birthdays

or like some sort of bulletin board with them. So it always like clicked. Joe Tam, who I haven't talked to in 25 years, October 28th. Kelly Tam, his twin sister, my first girlfriend who broke up with me in the sixth grade by recording an answering machine after we got home from the Mighty Ducks,

saying, Nick, this is Kelly, you're dumped. And everyone heard it before me. And I cried for weeks. Their birthday is October 28th. October 28th. We should do something that day. Come over and see my spooky village. I'll get your mind off of it, man.

But it's funny. Birthdays, childhood. But now phone numbers and birthdays. Technology has ruined that for us. Ken Matt named three people Taylor Swift has dated. Tom Hiddleston. Yeah. Harry Styles.

Yeah. Yeah. And, oh, boy. John Mayer. Yeah. Okay. Nicely done. There we go.

Does Matt bite his fingernails? No. I actually clipped my fingernails this morning. Nicely done. I do. Oh, really? Yeah. It's disgusting.

It's a girl's habit. I will say that uh i'm quite exceptional have you heard of uh have you looked at my nails you'd never know i can great yeah i'm just saying so you've stopped no wait oh but have you heard about the uh pepper flavored nail polish that makes you stop biting your nails yeah because it just tastes disgusting every time you do it just a just a thought do you guys look at me differently what's the grossest thing you do this has been more enlightening about you than him i'm a bad dude i'm a bad nose picker when i'm like driving yes it's when i'm driving i also

like i also do i've always been a bit of a nose picker. Oh my God. I don't know. It's just. Is there anything else? No. Have you ever tried to get food out of your teeth with a fingernail? Oh yeah. Sometimes. Oh yeah. Have you ever tried to bite the nail and use it as a toothpick?

Yes. Have you ever done that? Yeah. I haven't. I kind of. Oh, all right. Well, I walked into that one. Oh my God.

So gross. But I'm not like sitting there doing it all. But like if I feel something, I'll like. I walked into that one oh my god so gross but I'm not like sitting there doing it all but like if I feel something I'll like you know am I being too honest here are there all things we do that are just totally fucking disgusting that oh when I when I go to LAX with my dog I take her to the service animal like dog pee pad

and I lock the door and I pull my pants down and I pee next to her on the pee pad oh my god you do not well the line's shorter for the animal one than the people one oh my god the visual wait is it one dog at a time in the okay i honestly thought you're gonna be like oh i eat their food and no you totally went beyond that line maybe one time you were like whenever ali says has anybody else ever blank the answer is always now do you have to pick up the pee pad or that pee pad stays at the airport and you peed on it oh

oh wait he's like a grass like thing on the floor it has like a drain so you like just squat like 100 those dogs are walking in they're very confused yeah they go this is not this was not a dog here wow happy birthday i got it someone needs to steal that and like put it in a movie like that would be like a great like opening exposition to something just so magnificent has uh matt i almost said ally because i just wanted to learn more if that's if she's just open to sharing that there's must be a lot more has matt ever received a ticket for something that isn't driving related um oh yeah one of my first weeks i was out in la it was like fourth of july weekend i went down to newport and i'm like new to california i don't know the beach laws i had a solo cup a fireball and then this cop came up to

me and was like what is that and i said it's goes, all right, well, I can either test that right now or, and if I do test it, you're paying for the test and getting charged with it. And I said, fine, it's Fireball. And he goes, now why would you lie to a police officer? I said, sir, I'm new here. I don't know. And he wrote the ticket and I had it.

I still have it to this day. And then he went to the next group and started doing the same thing to them and someone mouthed him off and he arrested them but i was really kind of polite i lied that guy was on a mission but i never got i never got charged never got charged because i think i was polite and he arrested the other person he filled his quota for the day yeah i'm sorry no no yeah politeness always works has matt ever accidentally sent an inappropriate text or email to the wrong person? No, I actually have not.

But people have accidentally texted me many times. Has Matt ever named their car? Yes. Yeah, I named my new car too. Yeah. I only named my first car. What was the old one? What's the new one?

Actually, I didn't name really the old one. My first, I don't know. I used to have a Kia Soul. I used to have a black Kia Soul and I named it Aretha. I thought it was a very soulful name. And then now I have a Land Rover Defender. It's like blue. And so I call it Big Blue.

It's like a Vampire Weekend song. It's one of my favorites. So. My first car was named Jose. Oh. Because I bought it from a priest who was German, and his name was Joseph, but he was very popular in the Puerto Rican community, and I had a sticker of the priest in my windshield,

and it said Father Jose Ketnik. And he kept it. It was just on the screen, and I just left it up there, and my friends just called it Jose. It was a 1980 orange Toyota Tercel hatchback. Whoa. Honestly, knowing how I wish I would have never got rid of it or sold it.

But you could find it. No, it's been junked. Oh, you've already looked into it? I just took it to a junkyard and they crushed it. Has Matt ever been fired from a job? Yes, I got fired from Uncle Julio's. Clocked into work. The restaurant hadn't opened.

We were rolling silverware, getting ready for the day. I was also a guest speaker at the University of North Texas during that time. And they called me while I was rolling silverware and like, where are you? You were supposed to come speak to a bunch of kids today and i answered i went outside on the patio and i answered the phone while i was on the job they fired you and then well he didn't really fire me he just brought me into his office and asked me a bunch of questions to get me to fire myself so he's like so what happened yesterday did you think you should have been doing that so do you think you really need to be working here do you want to work here do you think it's best

you leave right now and I was like okay I guess I'm fired he never said you're fired but it made me my guess is he's still working there and you're here now hey I'll respect Uncle Julio's still visit there uh Matt what a pleasure Nick this great. Thank you for coming. Thank you for having me. Where can the people find you? You can find me on Instagram at Matt R. King. I also have two podcasts, Hoot and a Half with Matt King, me, and I interview a bunch of other people. I have an episode out with Nick as well. I think that's coming out in a few days, but by the time this comes out, it will already

be out. So check it out. And then I'm also on the podcast Zane and Heath Unfiltered, which is on YouTube, Spotify, iTunes, same as Hoot and a Half. And yeah, follow me on Instagram. You can follow me on Twitter. I don't really tweet that much. And book me on Cameo if you want to as well. Great. Happy birthday. Thank you, buddy. Matt, we can't thank you enough. Thanks for listening, guys. As always, don't forget to subscribe, rate us five stars, all that fun stuff. Send me your questions at asknick at castmedia.com.

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