The Viall Files - E328 Emily DiDonato - Learn To Do, Not To Hate

Episode Date: October 6, 2021

Today we are joined by Emily DiDonato, the model, influencer, YouTuber, creative, and much more. On this episode we dive into talking about modeling, pregnancy, skincare, and imposter syndrome. We also talk about how society can place people into boxes and how to break barriers to highlight and become the multi-faceted person you can be while also learning to be both in front of and behind the camera.  “I just have to find my own version of it. I don’t know what it is yet but I’ll figure it out”  Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes.  For merch please visit http://www.viallfiles.com today! THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Each & Every: Use promo code VIALL30 at http://www.EachandEvery.com/VIALL for 30% off.  Article: Go to http://www.Article.com/Viall to get $50 off your first purchase of $100 or more.  Episode Socials:  @viallfiles @nickviall @emilydidonato See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

what's going on everybody welcome back to another episode of the vile files i am your host nick joined by amanda is in studio isie still with us or is she online Allie is feverishly cutting TikToks feverishly cutting TikToks so yeah that's what she's doing we have a great episode for you the wonderful Emily DiDonato is with us Emily is someone actually I've been wanting

to get on the podcast for well even before the pandemic and then we were in New York and she lives in New York and I reached out to pandemic and then we were in new york and she lives in new york and i reached out to emily and then we recorded in new york and she was fantastic and great and uh even better than i thought and i thought she'd be amazing so a very relatable guest in the sense that uh she has real insecurities and real dreams and and she's also multi multi fascinated fast fascinated fascinated multi, whatever. Multi-talented,

multi-hyphenate talent. If you're someone who feels like people, your family, community puts you in a box of whatever that box is. And you think to yourself, I'm more than just that. Well, then Emily is a more than a relatable person as someone who got into modeling early on.

And despite what is often thought as glamorous, has her own insecurities and struggles and stereotypes that are thrown her direction. And what a great conversation we've had with Emily to just share some perspective on life. And we couldn't thank Emily enough for joining us. We have a great lineup of shows this week already. Remember, our Bachelor recap is out there

discussing the finale. Thoughts on the new Bachelor host, Jesse Palmer, with Manny Gutierrez and our Ask Nick episode. Here's what the Ask Nick episodes are about. If you find yourself to ever be struggling in a situationship of any kind, and you're confused, and you're wondering why, you've talked to all your friends. They keep giving you the same useless answers because they're making it about them. Go listen to ask Nick's. We got you covered.

Trust me. It's honest advice. You won't regret it. Prepare yourself for some honesty and you'll feel refreshed. I promise you that. Other than that, I think we've covered it all. Thanks for listening.

As always, don't forget to send your questions that ask Nick at cast media.com cast with a K for Ask Nick episodes. Subscribe, review, tell your friends. Let's get to Emily. Emily, thanks so much for joining me. Hi, thanks so much for having me. Absolutely.

I've been looking forward to doing this for a long time with you. I know you and I had, I reached out to you a long time with you. I know you and I had, I reached out to you a long time ago about coming on the podcast and you had a trip planned to LA. We were going to have you on and then COVID happened.

Yeah. And yeah, we just, you know, then obviously life happened for you and us and it just didn't work out. And then we're here in New York recording. And I thought, you know what? I would love to have Emily finally on the podcast. So here you are. I'm so glad. I'm so glad you remembered. I'm so glad you thought of me. I'm so excited to be on. Absolutely. I've been a fan of yours. I've been following you for a long time.

I love the stuff that you put out there. Yeah, you're just kind of a very thoughtful, relatable person. And as someone who seems to be admired by a lot of people and you do something, modeling, you're very known for being a model, which comes with a lot of opinions and kind of judgments, both good and sometimes bad. And I think you go about it in a way

that's just really nice and humbling and you're fun and easy to root for, if that makes sense. That's such a nice compliment. So yeah, I'm happy to have you on. I appreciate that. Yeah, modeling definitely comes with its ups and downs. Try to make the best of it.

I've been doing it long enough at this point that I can kind of have fun with it, reflect back on my years and laugh. How long have you been modeling for? So I've been modeling since 2008. I was a junior in high school when I started. So very young. And now I'm 30. So it's definitely been a wild ride. I kind of

grew up in the industry. So it's been good. But I've definitely learned a lot about myself and other people along the way. I imagine you must grow up really fast. And you had success early on in your career. Yes, I did. So I started when I was a junior in high school. And I got really lucky that I became successful quickly in the sense that I was working very early on. For models, they come from all over the world and oftentimes are stomping the pavement for years before they get their big break or really start working. And that's really what pushed me to pursue it full time because I was in that kind of weird space where I was like, am I going to go to college? Am I going to pursue

this full time? So I decided to pursue it full time. But absolutely, it makes you grow up so fast. I mean, I started traveling like internationally alone when I was like 18 years old. My mom would come with me occasionally, but you're just thrown into so many adult situations. Even when you're 17 years old, I just remember always being the youngest person in the room, but expected to act like an adult. And I remember, this is going to make me sound really old. It was like the beginning of when Facebook was getting really big. And all of my friends were at school and partying and posting their Facebook albums.

And I was like, I'm here traveling and working and living this super grown-up life and the expectations on me are very grown up and kind of a lot but at the same time like I think it was for the best I don't know how long I would have lasted like partying away in college was that was that at the time where you couldn't have Facebook if you weren't if you didn't have a college email no no it was after that like it was when everyone had facebook but it was when everyone posted like their entire life on facebook did you and did you get a facebook at that point or did you get a facebook i had a facebook and i was just like i remember you just saw the fomo of your friend so much fomo but reflecting on that now like they were looking at me probably

like you're traveling and like in magazines and in TV commercials. And I was like, gosh, I just wish I was with them in a basement somewhere, like playing beer. Did you ever experience because I feel like sometimes people in your position who experience what a lot of people dream and you're living this kind of fantasy life. and you're living this kind of fantasy life, but we all come from somewhere, so to speak. And we come from, many of us, just regular old USA suburbs or whatever. What was the reception like of your community

and your friends? And did you deal with any bullying or criticism for like, oh, I mean, whatever. Emily is doing like, you know, things like that. Because you hear that and I've seen that, you know, like we always just assume the beautiful model, tall, gets to do these things, travel the world, life is rose colored glasses.

It's amazing. And that's not always the case. In fact, I actually saw something on the internet recently. I don't know if you saw it. You posted a picture eating a burger and there was an instagram account who decided to use that photo as an opportunity to voice their frustration of why models like to post pictures with burgers as if that's some sort of crime. And I got a, I know I deal with stuff. It must be frustrating.

Did you see that? And like that type of energy you must have dealt with from the beginning. And how have you been able to rise above? Because that's, oh, it's much easier said than done to not let that shit bother you. Yeah. I mean, luckily I'm from upstate New York, like an hour and a half north of here. And I come from a great family. Like my dad was a New York City firefighter. My mom was a stay at home mom. Yeah. So I think in terms of my community, people were very surprised. They still are. Like when I walk around our local CVS, they're like, oh my

God, like you're here, the model. And my family and friends, like they were really excited, but I was still in school when my career really started taking off. Like I remember I found out that I got signed with a cosmetics brand, Maybelline, when I was a senior in high school and I was literally on TV. And then I was like going to biology the next day. Like it was just so weird. Everyone was excited. There was definitely, I think I felt kind of stared at, looked at, but I had a great family. Like my parents were really like a grounding energy and force for me because even though it was cool and glamorous, they were very like protective of me. My mom always wanted to be where I was and what I was doing. And luckily,

she is like a fireball and walks into the room and owns the room and came everywhere with me. So she kind of kept the energy very grounded, me very grounded. And at the end of the day, like I was still living at home in upstate New York and spending time with my friends from high school playing sports. Like I played basketball, soccer, and lacrosse. And it wasn't really until I like graduated from high school, moved to Manhattan, started working full time that I started like really dealing with kind of like the judgments and issues that come with being in the industry from like, like insiders. But in terms of my community, I feel I feel pretty lucky. I feel

like people were pretty understanding, supported, excited, but still saw me as the girl that I always was growing up, which was like this sporty, normal person. That's great. Yeah. was growing up, which was like this sporty, normal person. That's great. Yeah. So, but then when you got social media takes off,

what are your points of view when it comes to, you know, so much we talk about body positivity, we talk about which everything kind of, you know, like great movements bring a lot of awareness to people who aren't normally talked about right at the same time there sometimes goes too far like the hypocrisy sometimes it's just like yeah body positivity and then again like referencing like someone was shaming you for eating a burger i can't believe you saw that i saw that too and i was like well that same person had their takes on me it was like we were back to back in

the the wrath of of this this uh person for both of us yeah so i was like oh how neat um yeah what are your thoughts on that and do you do you try do you are you mindful of in a world that we live in where where everything we say and do can be picked apart like if we put anything out in the in the the open, you know, we have to expect everyone who, anyone who sees it and they're going to critique it. Um, what are your thoughts on when it comes to, you know, models and, and the responsibility they might have to the community of healthy habits and expectations around how they look and how they eat and do you ever feel like fuck i just can i just live yeah i mean in that specific moment with that person like on one hand i kind of understand right i'll never forget like a million years ago

watching giselle on Jimmy Fallon. And she was talking about how her favorite food was cheeseburgers. And this was a time where I struggled with my body image so much. And with my like diet and exercise and trying to find myself and I remember just being like, why does my body suck so much? Like, why can't I be like Giselle and just eat a cheeseburger and be able to walk down the Victoria's Secret runway the next day. I do think that there is, you know, something problematic about when models do overly go out of their way to be like, look at everything I eat and I don't work out and, you know, I'm not healthy. For myself, I feel like I try to take a balanced approach to it because genuinely I am balanced. Also, I'm pregnant. So I was like, I'm eating a cheese genuinely I am balanced. Also, I'm pregnant.

So I was like, I'm eating a cheese. I am a model, but I'm also pregnant. Have mercy. I'm just trying to enjoy my baby moon over here. But generally, I feel like I do post my workouts. I post kind of what I eat, and it's all very balanced and healthy, and I feel confident sharing that type of content. But I do think there is a responsibility to be honest about that. And

I think that there is sometimes weird energy around food and models wanting to act like they eat whatever they want and look a certain way. From my experience in the industry, most models are thoughtful about what they eat, what they do with their bodies. You know, it's not something that's just like they walk in the room and they are perfect. Most models are like crazy athletes, work out constantly, like eat really, really healthy. Whether or not everyone is transparent about that, I would say probably not. But for myself, I feel like I just try to be as honest as possible, even in the times where I gain weight or lose weight or I'm eating a certain way or something has worked for me or something hasn't.

But it is definitely like a responsibility because just like the story I told about when I was looking at Giselle, you don't realize like how much you could be triggering or upsetting someone. Like I could have upset another pregnant person who thought like, oh, I tried to eat burgers when I was pregnant and gained like 150 pounds. Like, I don't know. But I think just trying to be as honest and transparent. Yeah, it's tough too because it could I don't know. But I think just trying to be as honest and transparent. Yeah, it's tough too, because it could be triggering for someone, but darn if we don't have to like,

I don't know if we can go through this world. I'm a big advocate for empathy. And as I get older, I get better and better at empathizing with people, but empathizing with people doesn't always mean doing what they want empathizing is just kind of understanding the place where they're coming from I think it's a hard place to be to try to avoid triggering everybody and anyone

you know absolutely living your life I mean I get just tons of DMs all the time. I mean, even being pregnant, like I've been really honest about my experience and how I felt and even how I felt in my body during this time. And I got so many DMs from people being like, you're exaggerating. That's not what it's like. Like, why are you speaking like this? Like, get over it. Quit complaining. I just like respond to people literally one off and sometimes do you do you i do yeah it was so funny the other day at dinner i told my husband i was like yeah i just like sent this person a picture of me like flipping them off because i was so annoyed because i think people forget that it's just me behind there like i'm the one in the dms and i do have conversations

with people saying like why does this upset you like why does my experience or my version of this of course their response is always like oh my my God, I never thought you'd respond. It's like, who do you think is behind all this? It's just me. But sometimes I just have to get that out of my system. Well, you make a great point too. Like, especially when talking about triggering. I mean, I'll never know what it's like to be pregnant.

The little bit I do know, having a mom who's had 11 kids and having friends who are pregnant, is that it could be very different. Totally. For a lot of different women. And so they may not have experienced what you're experiencing. It doesn't invalidate what you're experiencing. Yeah.

But I bet some people are experiencing what you're going through, and it must be nice to have someone like yourself to talk about it. Exactly. I mean, with pregnancy, with body positivity, with everything I've struggled with in the industry, being honest about all of it, the best feeling or the best moments are when you do get those really long DMs or messages from people who are like, I'm so glad you said this. This is exactly how I felt.

And I was never able to say it or articulate it or like you hit the nail on the head. Like, I feel like you really understand what I went through. So for me, it makes it all worth it because if you're honest and you're transparent and it resonates with people and it makes them feel better or heard or understood, then the mission is accomplished for me.

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want to bite the hand that fed me. Right. Like I was always afraid to be honest because I still wanted to work as a model. And I didn at the same time didn't want to place blame on others for my experience or for what I had gone through. But I had reached a moment in my career a couple of years ago where I felt like I had done everything I wanted to accomplish in a way. I felt really secure in myself and also in my career. And I had my YouTube channel.

And I was really focused on content creation and kind of like my own personal brand more than I was like being worried about getting cast for my next job, which is an awesome and fortunate place to be in. And I just wanted to share my story and do it in a way that I didn't want people to think that I was blaming anyone. I chose to be in this industry, but this is what I went through, and this is what I continue to go through. It was something that like, you know, finding peace with my body is not, I mean,

every day is different. I'm still on that journey. Now it's a different one. So it definitely took time. But when I was younger as a model, I was like quiet as a mouse. I really like, I think part of why I did so well was like, I was really good at taking direction, always on time, like always doing the right thing. And, you know, as a model, you're told how to look, how to act, how to dress, like everything. And I was really good at being like, OK, yeah, I can do that. Like no boundaries, no no's. Like I was just like, I'm down for whatever.

I'll go wherever. But I think time and age helps you realize you're like, oh, wait, actually, like I don't want to do that and don't feel comfortable with that. But it definitely took a couple of years for me to be more established as like a human and as a model. Do you think the modeling industry has evolved with the times? And what I mean by that is like, I think from an outsider's point of view, you hear a lot of toxic stories about where some of these body image issues come from, maybe getting some bad advice or bad expectations about what models need to do in order to get work yeah uh and we're seeing a lot of conversations around body positivity and and different size models and different looks um do you think there's sincere a sincere

intent on the industry as a whole and are you seeing it evolve or is it still or is it the or is the industry just doing what they think they need to do, but behind closed doors, it's still kind of the same toxic energy? Like which one is it more closely tied to? I think it's a combination of both. I mean, it's definitely changed and evolved a lot. There's no doubt. Like my mom called me the other day and she was like,

I just want to say I don't ever want to forget how downright cruel people were to you 10 years ago. Like me and some of my other model friends. Because you would walk in to a casting and people would be like, too big, too fat. Like, not for me. Ignore you. Like just downright awful. Really? Oh my God.

Yeah. And like, I've been to like casting stuff. And it's not exactly the prettiest of people oh no doing giving you the notes no they're like when i look back on it now i'm like as an because i'm so much more grown up now and i can see them as just like other adults but i felt like such a kid for so long i'm like oh my gosh those people were on such power trips like who bullies a teenager like that like what do we like, like I think of myself, right? Like as a 30 year old woman,

if a 17 year old walked in here right now, like how I would treat them. Like the idea of being like, oh honey, like your outfit is horrible and like you really need to lose some weight. Like you should consider giving up carbs. Like that's the kind of stuff people would say to me. Like I would never as a 30 year old woman.

But I do think it has evolved in the sense like I remember like a couple of years ago when Kate Upton was on the cover of Sports Illustrated and I was in sport. That was the first year that I did Sports Illustrated. That was when I felt like I really started to see a change in the industry. Meaning like even though Kate Upton by all means is not plus size or anything like crazy. She's like a beautiful girl. Like, you know what I mean?

But at the time it was like groundbreaking that someone like that. Do you remember that? I do. But like, you know, for me, like, I guess I've,

I'm always been attracted to women who are more closely look like, like from a figure standpoint right up and rather than maybe a more traditional model so i was like great yeah sounds good yeah but you're right it i remember i didn't follow it that closely but i do remember it being a thing um and that is that is fascinating so i felt like after that things really started to change. I remember I felt so relieved when they put her on the cover because I was like, oh, my God, there's hope for us. Like if Kate Upton like being what she is like, there's hope for us. And then Ashley Graham was on the cover and things started to evolve even more. But I also think that, yes, like brands and the

industry doesn't really they don't really have a choice anymore. They have to evolve because like with social media, everyone has a voice, your customer, your consumer, whoever it is, like if they don't like what you're putting out there, or they don't see someone that resonates with them or looks like them, like they have a place to say that and share that information, which is, I think, a wonderful and beautiful thing about social media. Whereas like, you know, years ago, the Victoria's Secret fashion show would come on TV, we'd all watch it and feel horrible about ourselves and then just go to bed. Whereas now there's like Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, we're all like, by the way, watching that was not my favorite thing ever. And you know, could be better. Here's all the feedback, Victoria's Secret, like that didn't exist.

But so I think brands are forced to evolve which I think is a really really good thing and there has been quite a clean out of a lot of people who were running the industry for a long time too over the years so I think it's for the best and I hope it continues to especially for like young girls entering the industry now you know I was thinking about what you were just saying about like some people give like the to this or to that and do you think that that experience helped you be far more careful with your words and how you express yourself you're you're you're you're a tall woman you're tall I have a sister who's six two I mean I'm sorry yeah I have a sister of 62 she's my height and she struggled with her body early on

because as a tall woman people would call her big simply just referring to her height I don't know if that's something you ever deal with oh yeah and I can imagine just how damaging or or triggering that could be for again like a 16 17 year, 17-year-old woman, girl, and has that helped you be far more careful? Because, again, we now are living in a comment where it's like two sides of the coin. Either don't be so sensitive or, hey, words matter, right? And what are your thoughts on something like that

who someone who at a young age, people were throwing just random words that they might not thought anything of but were very hurtful to you oh yeah i mean i think being in this industry has taught me just i think like especially in the like the 2000s like you look at who was famous then and and their bodies and what they looked like. The female body was scrutinized in such a crazy way. For myself, I feel like I just am so thoughtful about how I refer to other people's bodies, how they look in an outfit. Yes, it absolutely has affected that.

Because it's like I think about times where I would show up to set and someone would say to you like, oh my God, you look great. You look so healthy. The worst. What does that mean? It's not good. I'll tell you that. I know where my head would go.

I'll be like, what the fuck? Like, all I want to know is what did I look like the last time you saw me? So that means that that's not good. So like, I am definitely thoughtful about how that feels that feels and especially now even being pregnant people and my and myself also like very sensitive about how people comment on your body it's so funny though women typically don't but men love to comment on pregnant like

what have they or what do they say they just like come right up in there like i feel like women kind of know not to say anything because you don't know where someone's at in their pregnancy how far along but men are always like oh my god are you having a girl like i can tell you're like carrying really big i'm like who told you it's okay to talk like that like just don't say anything is this like is this like people in the is this oh this is like in the line at the bathroom yeah like it's like a new york thing because you hear like new york people are more forward but like maybe maybe but um i just feel like i i'm definitely thoughtful about how i refer to how other people look because even if

you go like oh my god you look so great like what have you been doing to a girl if someone said that to me a couple of years ago as a model i'd be like well are you saying like the last time you saw me that that i didn't look good or like did i lose weight or i look better now like so you do have to be mindful and thoughtful of that but that that i feel like that's very easy to do yeah i'm shocked by this as a guy who grew up with sisters and i think i was lucky to have that perspective i just say something nice about an outfit they're wearing yeah i like your shirt beautiful dress yeah that can come and go yeah that's good that's good less is more just i really like really love your outfit today yeah exactly that's great i'm sure having sisters like that really is beneficial for you in that sense. You talked about obviously your YouTube channel

and you've grown such an amazing platform on YouTube, on really all things social. You're very, you're with the times. You have a TikTok now. Yes, yes. You're crushing it. With conversations I've had with models in the past, there's always the clock, you know, there's a window, you know, obviously it's a very kind of

ageist industry. Certainly there are models who stand the test of time and can work throughout the years, but that's not the norm. And was that part of the reason why you got into this? Was it to say, I don't know what's next. And this is how I might pivot. Because you, like you said, you've really built a brand for yourself. And now you have your brand Covey Skincare. I'd love to hear more about that. But what, before we get into that, what was like the catalyst or did you just fall into it?

Like, how did you decide to build this? Because not every model has done what you've done. Yeah. I mean, I think, you know, this was like 2014, 2015. I think influencers started to become a thing in the fashion industry. And I remember people were so mad about that. Like fashion people were like,

oh, influencers sitting front row at fashion week. Like that's so ridiculous and silly and awful. And I just remember a time where I would just be like, ugh, influencers sitting front row at Fashion Week. Like, that's so ridiculous and silly and awful. And I just remember a time where I would just be like, OK, like, clearly the times are changing. Influencers are literally taking models jobs, which they were. They were being signed for, like, cosmetics contracts and, like, doing fashion jobs. And everyone else was so mad about it.

And I was like, all right, let me just see what these people are doing. Like, what is this all about? And I was kind of like, I can do that. That's how I always am with anything on the internet that I see or I'm inspired by I'm like I can do a version of that like what's stopping me from doing that so instead of hating on it you just decided to learn about it exactly it's like I don't know like I was just like I think I can share my story in that way. I can share my everyday makeup tutorial. I can figure that out. I think I also had a want to do that as well

because I loved being a model. I had been a model already for quite a few years, but it always felt so two-dimensional to me. I always felt a little bored and frustrated. I won't lie. When I'm on set, I count down until I can leave, unfortunately. I'm like, how many more outfits? When, when is it just even on the best day? Like, it's, it's super hard to get

engaged. I'll put it that way. Like, because you're just being told where to do what to do, where to go. And I'm always kind of like, okay, like, can't wait to go home and do like what I want to do. So I had this craving to do more. I had always been like a creative person. And I always felt like, whenever I would meet people in person, they would be like, oh my God, I never expected you to sound the way that you do. I thought you were like Brazilian or something else. And I'm like, no, I was all about. And all of these influencers were leveraging social media to basically just share who they were and what they liked on the internet. And I was like, I can definitely do that too. I can just share my opinion. Yeah. And like share the modeling version of that. Like here's what I wear to work. Here's my makeup. Here's behind the scenes. And it just made my actual work, meaning it made modeling and my life so much more fun and interesting. And I got to capture all of these moments and behind the scenes and like traveling and all of this stuff. It made it

feel much more purposeful and much more fun for me, actually, which I think really like kept that engine going. Yeah. So that's why I like more intention. Yeah. Like I wasn't just like every time I was like on an airplane or going somewhere with someone on set, I'd be like, let's film something. Let's do something together. Like let's show this for the camera. People will love to see this. So I had my own like story to tell outside of just being the chameleon on set for other people. And I just found that so fulfilling and fun. And I loved like all the post-production of it, especially with YouTube. I loved editing. I realized I loved doing all of that stuff more than I even like being in front of the camera. editing, I realized I love doing all of that stuff more than I even like being in front of the camera.

So that's how I kind of evolved into it. And even still with TikTok, it's the same. Like at first, I was like, oh, man, like, what are these kids doing? Like, what is this? And I'm like, all right, just got to figure out my own version of this. I don't know what it is yet, but I'll figure it out. I love that. That's great. Yeah, you're clearly a doer. Yeah. And I love the way you attack these kind of challenges. And like the biggest thing that I get out of it from you is it's, it's very easy to hate on. You talked about like you see people have success, whatever it is, especially if it's almost feels like to your detriment.

Like if you're a model and you feel like you lost a job out to an influence or whatever, that means easy to just hate on them but i love that instead of focusing that energy or using the kind of hating energy you took that energy and use the curiosity energy of learning about it and it seems like it certainly has not extended your career but allowed you to pivot into a whole different career more specifically yeah i think like it it wasn't i wasn't thinking so much about my age at the time where i was doing it but more so like what am i interested in what's gonna like keep me engaged but yeah i think you're totally right like not hating on the times and what's happening like

the most recent version of that and i posted something about this on tiktok was everyone was so mad the influencers were at the met gala and they were so upset about that and i'm just like guys are you like watching what's going on in the world exactly like where are you asleep like it's like these people are more relevant than some of the actors and actresses and people that like maybe we looked up to but it's like people don't care about that the times have changed. Yeah. And it was, you know, like you said, like I was fortunate enough

and I think we're similar that way is that like when I first went on TV, social media existed, but it wasn't what it is now. And so I kind of learned about it while I had the opportunity to like have this platformer experience on a show. And for me, it was always like, yeah,

I don't know what this is going to be. And I was always like, I was very cautious and self-conscious about not being dumb about it, I guess, or not thinking it was a sure thing. I was like, I don't know what this is and it might be an opportunity, but it's unclear, right? Like I was like, maybe I'll, you know, I'll come and go and that's fine.

And then I was thinking about this kind of like what you said too. It's like the reality of the world, whether we like it or not, you know, back in the day, our celebrities, the movie stars, whatever, part of the appeal was the mystery behind them. That they would only do interviews when they're promoting a movie. And other than that, you really wouldn't know much about them. And that was the excitement.

And with the rise of social media and Twitter and you starting having so many celebrities saying, you know what, I'm going to, like you, embrace this thing. It started, it wasn't about the mystery anymore it was about like the relatability or related being relatable became the currency not the mystery behind it and so with that kind of change now and then you have things like people with phones being what they are people are watching less tv we're watching shorter content. And this is the new norm. Say what you want. It doesn't

care about what the older... It's kind of like the old white man kind of thing. We'll always criticize the old white man of like, oh, I don't get it. Yeah, exactly. It's a very much like your Met Gala thing. It's like, you don't have to get it you don't have to like it it's happening it doesn't make it not very interesting and relevant to a lot of people because yeah that is why they're there and yeah you can get so much more done if instead of using your energy to hate on something you don't understand maybe just taking a moment to say that's where the empathy comes in of saying, well, clearly I don't get it. I don't, there's a lot of things I don't get.

But instead of being like, that's stupid, why don't you say, I'm curious why other people do get it? What is the draw? What is the appeal? And to your point, that's how you literally started figuring out what your thing is. Because maybe you've done a TikTok dance or two, but that's not how you've risen or used your TikTok.

It's not to just do the TikTok trends and dances. You've applied those skills into something that's yours. Yeah, exactly. I mean, I think even with the Met Gala thing or with TikTok, it's like you can judge it, you can hate on it. But the beautiful thing about, you know, TikTokers being at the Met Gala to me is like now anyone can break into fashion and go to like the most exclusive event in the year. Really think about like if you really wanted to do that, you could. You could find your way and like get huge on TikTok

and like do it like you can do that. And I think that's cool because for a long time fashion was extremely exclusive like it was just bred off this idea that like you had to look a certain way be a certain way like in order to be included and now it's not like that so i think it's cool and that's i think tiktok what tiktok more than anything has done as and i talked about this with our guest last week rod is that you're you're seeing a lot of people have the access now to be more creative. There's a lot of people who are more creative than they are anything else and didn't feel like they could tap into that because they wanted to make some money.

And now social media, whether it's your full-time job, you can now tap into your creativity through this platform and have a chance for other people to enjoy it and then if it really pops who knows you could be like doing something that you always thought you could do but never thought you had the access to do it exactly because now you can you can you can make a short movie from your home exactly and a lot of people will watch it and a lot of people will watch it and they might more people might watch it than the indie film with a two hundred

thousand dollar budget exactly um that's that's pretty great so skincare yeah uh covey is your company um how'd you get into that uh i i, I guess that must be something that might come with a lot of opportunities for inspiration because, well, it's not just women who struggle with unhealthy skin men too. Uh, you know, I was lucky enough that I didn't deal with a lot of acne when I was in high school, but I dealt with some and it's your worst nightmare, you know, getting a pimple in high school and even in adulthood. And obviously, you know, you're, you're, you being pregnant and like women's bodies are changing and hormones that's affects people's skin. Again, how did you get into it? And what are some of the kind of inspirational moments you have found from,

you know, being a party, a part, part and starting Covey? inspirational moments you have found from, you know, being a party apart part and starting Covey? Yeah. So we started Covey because I had genuinely felt confused and overwhelmed by skincare. Being in the industry for a long time, my skin was kind of everything. And I came from this school of thought that like more was more when it came to skincare. And I think we all are coming from that world a little bit. K-beauty was really big. People were doing 10 plus steps in their routine. And then after a lot of research on Reddit, my skincare addiction, Twitter, on my own social platforms, I found that everyone else was also very confused about three key questions, which were what products do I actually need in my routine? Do they work together? And what order am I supposed to use them in? So that's really what we solve with the Covey routine.

All of our products are clean and non-toxic and were formulated to work together. And we partnered with a dermatologist to do it. We really just wanted to simplify skincare. We found that like routines, especially during the pandemic, are just so grounding for people and so important for people. Skincare for myself always made me feel so good and so confident when I would do it, but I never felt like I was getting it right. Like I was like, am I doing all the right steps? I'm just putting all this stuff on my face. And I would go to work and my skin would be falling off my face and makeup artists would be like, what are you doing? And I'd be like, I'm using all the fancy stuff. I don't understand why this isn't working. When it turned out, I was just doing way too much. My routine was all out of whack.

So that's why we created Covey. And it's just a simple three-step routine that was formulated to work together. And we've had a great response so far. But going back to what we were saying earlier about instead of hating on other people, that element of curiosity was such a huge part of creating Covey. Even with my own social platforms, we're just scouring the internet for comments, questions, Twitter, Reddit. When myself and my business partner started thinking about this, we were like, look at all these questions that people have about skincare. We could help them if we can create this simple three-step routine, which was really great. And we've had an awesome response so far. And it's just been so nice for me because,

like I was saying earlier, I've been a model for a long time, a chameleon for a lot of other people. Because like I was saying earlier, I've been a model for a long time, a chameleon for a lot of other people. And now it's like I'm kind of in the driver's seat and get to share how I want to share and be on the creative side and all the calls and really call the shots, which is exciting and like a huge confidence booster. Also, a lot of imposter syndrome along with that. Also, what do you mean? I mean, I think like, cause I'm on these calls

like all the time. And I think, I think people assume they're like, oh, she's like the model or like whatever, like the celebrity who's associated with this brand. And I'm like, no, this is like all I do. Yeah. Like this is like all I care about. And I feel so passionate about. And I think I still, in the back of my head, like I get like, I am just a model. Like I didn't go to college. Like, you know, these people probably have dealt with like a million businesses or know how to do this. So getting over that has been like so hard for me. Like my business partner, when I say like two sentences on a call, she's like, oh my God, you did it. Like on Gchat, she's like, great job. Great comment. She's the best.

But it is hard for me because I just, I have that, that fear of like just being a model and maybe my opinion or thought or experience is not as valid, but I think a lot of people like deal with that. Yeah, I think they do. Do you, do you think it's, do you think a lot of models do? And do you think maybe it's also something that, you know, women struggle with too, just from a society standpoint, you know, there's definitely a lot of, again,

you know, whether it's toxic masculinity or just our societies, how, how we've treated women and their opinions in the past. And it hasn't been, you know, honestly, we only been progressive about this stuff not as

long as we have should have but yeah do you think it comes from from that yeah i do i mean i've shared on my instagram that i've struggled with this like imposter syndrome and i was flooded with dms from other women and people who work in offices and deal with the same thing and it's funny because some of them were like i'm always always so afraid to speak up. But then I listened to what some of the men say on calls and how long they go on and on and on about things that are just irrelevant or stupid or have nothing to do with this, which gives me the confidence to then say like what I think. I think as a model, because you're so used to being told what to do and how to be for so long, speaking up and being like, no, actually, I think this was like, it is still to this day something I work on in therapy,

like so, so hard for me because I'm like, why would anyone care what I think or my experience? But I do think like I've been on many, many calls with many men and women, and some people do take the reins who maybe shouldn't or their experience or actually maybe my experience is 100% more valid than this person. But it's just something that's definitely drilled into me that I'm working on. So you mentioned therapy. Are there anything specific like in the moment that you've like a tool or used or advice you'd give someone that when they feel that doubt self-doubt yeah is there anything you do that makes you say

fuck it i'm gonna say i'm gonna say what i want to say yeah actually my therapist gave me i feel like it was a very good piece of advice um she said i want you to envision before you get on a big call whatever it is, someone saying like, wow, Emily, that was a great idea. Before it even happens, just keep picturing other people on the call, other people you're with saying, wow, that's such a great idea. And I do feel like kind of manifesting that and picturing that does really, really help me. And then when it does happen, it's like stars in my eyes. Like I'm like, oh my God, someone thinks I have a good idea. But just picturing that and kind of manifesting that I think is really helpful. Yeah. As far as skincare, what are some

just basic takeaways if someone were to just listen? I know you try to make it easy. You got three steps, but what are some things that why maybe someone would be interested in looking into Covey who's tried it all struggling with their skin? Uh, what are some things that you guys really advocate for? Yeah. So I mentioned the simplification. So one thing that I mentioned earlier was that people didn't know what order they should use their skincare routine. So the three products that we created are named in the order that you should use them in. So if you ever feel confused about the order you should use them in, we have our first

of all cleanser, next up vitamin C serum, and last but not least moisturizer. So that's one thing like just to if you ever feel confused about that, like we've got you. We also partnered with a dermatologist, Dr. Julia Rusak, to make sure that we were using high quality ingredients that were made to be used together. So that was a question that we saw come up so much that people did not know which products paired with what. So really ensuring that our products were made to be used together was super important for us.

And then, of course, as always, that it's clean, it's non-toxic, no parabens, sulfates, dyes, fragrances. So those are like the few key things that I feel like if you want to get it, it's clean it's non-toxic no parabens sulfates dyes fragrances um so those are like the few key things that i feel like if you want to get it's it's actually perfect for someone if you're like just getting into skincare and you're like i don't know where to start or for someone who's like i just need to pair it back like i'm doing too much it kind of fits both of those people and is there like a website where yes cubbieskin.com we talk a lot about relationships and dating on this podcast i assume the dating life of a model has some fascinating stories uh and some life

lessons uh back to like when you were just getting started and you were living this kind of adult life as a late teen what are some things that you've learned or if anything at all like how did that kind of shaped you into you know you're happily married now baby on the way yeah how did you go like what was that like I guess open-ended question so I mean I just remember when I first started dating in New York, especially when I first moved here, like there's a lot of people who want to date, a lot of men who want to date models simply because they're models.

So I can be like, I'm dating a model. Yeah. There's so many people like that. Like all you have to do is like have a comp card and they're like, perfect, sign me up. And I think just generally as a model, this isn't even just for dating. There are a lot of people who are attracted to like how glamorous it seems and just kind of want to latch onto that. And it's funny, like, and there are also people who want to latch onto it because like models do well, they can do really well. And there were definitely a lot of people who are attracted to that, which was very

interesting. But I always veered very much away from people like that, especially anyone that I could tell like who just like I was like, oh, this is just like an ego boost for you. Like you're not interested in me or who I am or what I'm about. You just want to say that you're dating a model and it could be anybody do you feel like you know we again on our show we talk about boundaries so much right and it's it's hard to a figure out what your boundaries should be it's even harder to enforce those boundaries and the story you just tell told it it's it's got to be hard for anyone to say you don't like me you like this thing i have

access to and that can be a very humbling thing to even admit to yourself let alone the person you're dating where did you find that ability to even as as a model, to say, wait, because it would be very easy for you in some of your position to lie about that, to like, I like him, I want to like him, I want him to like me, and maybe your gut's even saying, mm-mm, something's off, all those things you just recognized,

but we'll just ignore that. And where did you find that kind of self-awareness and strength to admit that to yourself first before you even confronted them yeah I think like I don't know like I feel like I had I have great parents who've been together since they were like 15 years old like a genuine love and partnership and marriage I I know what a good marriage looks like. And I think that when I was approached in situations like that, and it can be like, sometimes it was like a slimy like guy. And sometimes it is people who are like also in the entertainment industry who are just

looking to like check a box. But if it didn't sit right in my heart, in my soul, like I just knew that it wasn't right. Like when I met my husband, like he couldn't care less that I was a model, didn't really understand it like whatsoever. His idea of what a model was, was like girls who were out at nightclubs till like 6 a.m. that he would see. I'm like, Kyle, like those are not, that's not, that's not what I do or any of us do. But yeah, I think like I just was automatically turned off by that because I always, even from a young age, wanted a genuine connection with someone and I wanted to feel heard and

nurtured and loved. And I didn't want them to be like, oh, you're a model. It's so cool. Like, can I come to a photo shoot with you? Like, that's so gross. It's just like not the kind of person that I'm attracted to, I guess. It's kind of part of it too what was something in your dating life before you got married that was a life lesson that you learned about love relationships yourself that you now carry

forward into your marriage oh that's such a good question thanks can you answer it first sure um well something that i've realized that i've gotten better at interestingly enough is that you know as a as a guy and this is maybe from a man's perspective is that i've always really liked i've always i've me specifically you know it's not everyone but i've dated women with big personalities i've i've always been drawn to that and when you do that in an early age that you can get that can mean a lot of different things i've also been a guy who you know wanted to emulate my father who was always very attentive to my mother and so you know whether it's the get a glass of water and i was you know wanted to do that and then also the big personality would sometimes when we fought could turn a little toxic right

and i think as a guy you know you there's the macho, like, I can take it mentality. And so when I was, I recognize as older that when I was younger, if I was dating someone and she didn't like what I did and she would say, like, you're such a fucking asshole, you know, and I would just laugh it off. I would just be like, whatever. I wouldn't say anything. If she talked to me in a way that I didn't like, I would just brush it off like no big deal. And that builds. I use the shavings make a pile thing a lot,

but that can work with negative things too. And I've learned now to, and natalie is amazing she's great and so kind and talks to me in great ways but what i've learned is that that's still not a reason not to still say as great as natalie is and she's wonderful that if she speaks to me in a way even if i don't think she means anything by it even if it's just like even if it's maybe justified maybe not in the moment but i still find the time to stand up for myself and say i don't like how you talk to me and i just i don't like can we not talk that way to each other and and dealing with it when it's not an issue, when it's not something that's a problem for us is way easier to deal with

that as opposed to being dismissed, like dismissing it. And then finally just being like, I fucking hate how you talk, you know? And they're like, whoa, out of nowhere.

And like, because like you allowed them to call you an asshole right every time they were mad and you're just like i'm not an asshole i'm not stop calling me a dick you know and that's something i've had to learn that's a good one i mean i i think like in hearing you say that mine is similar i guess in a different way like i think when i was younger and i think a lot of girls and women deal with this, like I dated people and I was always so concerned with them liking me and being like, like almost like I wasn't almost being honest with who I was or what I wanted. Speaking up like is has has always been

and is really difficult for me. So I think like in previous relationships, I was just always so concerned with making sure my partner was happy. And if they were happy, I was happy. And that was always my mentality. Like, no, no, no. And I still do this with my husband. And he's like, Emily, just tell me what you want. Because I'm like, well, I would way rather see you happy and me get my way, like then me get my way, if that makes sense. But it totally bites you in the ass, because it builds up and you should just be honest about what you want and then that person getting what they want all the time like it just it creates this like uneven dynamic happy about this anymore yeah like i

always get to a breaking point and like act super weird in situations like i'll go along i i am pretty go with the flow and I'll go along with things. And then it's not until I'm like so uncomfortable and I'm so built up. And then I'm like, you know what, I'm just going to leave and be super dramatic about this and like ruin this entire experience because I wasn't honest like up front. But I think like in general, it's like it's a beautiful thing to want your partner to be happy and like please them. But it makes for a much healthier and happier relationship when you're both just like open and honest about like what you want

and what you're trying to achieve in the moment in life like generally yeah i think that's a fantastic answer how'd you meet your husband so i met my husband on a flight from new y to Denver. Yeah. So fun. Yeah. People always fantasize about meeting someone cute on a flight that never seems to go that way. So how exciting for you? Yeah, it was great. I mean, we sat next to each other. We were both flying to Colorado for work. I was going to shoot the cover of Vogue Australia and he was going for like a ski trip with some work people. And we sat next to each other and we had a lot in common. We were both from upstate New York. We lived on the same block in New York. We had mutual friends in common. So we had like a lot of weird kind of meeting points. And after that, I mean, he continued to call me quite a bit after. And I was really busy with work and like traveling, which I think like set up for a good

situation. Because then when I was finally like, OK, I'll meet you like you can come to my birthday in New York, which is what happened. Then after that, we were pretty much together ever since. It was like very quick. Did he like ask for your number on the fly? Like, how did he make that? How do you shoot a shot? It's so funny because he he did ask for my number. He was just like, oh, put your number in my phone.

And then I automatically like did that and just texted myself like Emilyily d and he was like emily you totally wanted me like you gave me your number like right away and i'm like okay but i'm so casual with that i was like no i was just like exchanging numbers um but he was very persistent i will give him that which he is generally as person um so it worked out great how do you think i'm i'm a persistent person but from a woman's perspective yeah how what's the right way for men to be persistent because now there's that's a very fine line yes between being persistent versus respecting this is the fact that someone might not be interested. From a woman's standpoint, what would you like to see men get better at when it comes to being persistent? I think as men sometimes we're like, do you still want us to be persistent or should we just like, you know?

still want us to be persistent or should we just like you know i think like from my from that experience and i think generally it's like if you meet someone you feel like you're hitting it off with them you know when kyle and i met on this airplane i didn't feel like he was hitting on me even though he claims he was but we had a genuine conversation about our lives growing up our family our work i didn't feel like he was hitting on me or encroaching on my space. We were just having a nice conversation. And I think for any guy who's out there and you're at a bar, like you don't need to make a move or have like this suave line, like just treat women like humans and learn about who they are and where they're from and what they enjoy. Like you don't need to impress them or hit on

them or anything like that. And I think that was something that I, with my husband, I was like, oh, he's such a nice guy. Like I really enjoy talking to him and I felt safe around him because like I didn't feel like he was like trying to get anything from me. He just, we just had a nice conversation. So I feel like for anyone out there, it's like, just don't, just don't do that. And so when you say he was persistent, did you first not want to go out with him when he asked? I think because it was so, such a nice conversation, so like platonic, and I didn't feel like he was hitting on me. I was like, why does this guy, like, he just like really wants to like hang out with me. I genuinely didn't think he wanted to like date me. His intentions just didn't feel, it just didn't feel romantic at first, which I think for me was a good

thing. Cause I think if right off the bat, I felt like he wanted to like date me, I'd be like, oh God, like, I don't know. I'm not sure. Um, and he took an interesting approach. He called, um, and I would then text him and say like, did you just call me? Like, why is this guy weirdo? Why are you calling me? Um, but I think eventually when we did meet up, you know, and we started talking and like hanging out, then he made his intentions very clear, um, that he wanted to like be in a relationship. But yeah, I think in terms of the persistence, I wouldn't have texted him back or been like,

oh, what's up if I had been weirded out by him in any way. So I feel like if guys are doing that to you and you don't want to hear from them, like just block them immediately. Great. I love that. This has been fantastic. I love talking to you.

Really love your thoughts on everything you've shared. Before we let you go. Yeah. I love to play a game with my guest called Do You Know Me? We are remote. your thoughts on everything you shared. Before we let you go, I love to play a game with my guest called Do You Know Me? We are remote, but we have Amanda submitting our Do You Know Me questions. Are you down to play? It's real simple.

Has Emily done this or that? If you are, anecdotal stories are welcome. You don't have to. It's simply yours guess who knows and we'll go from there do you know me with emily didonato does emily consider themselves an extrovert or introvert introvert um i like being social and i like have to be for my job and my work but i definitely restore by being alone like with the shades drawn like watching bachelor in paradise is kyle more extrovert or introvert he is more extroverted you wouldn't think you find that to be a nice yeah it's it's a nice balance i feel like people would think that he was more introverted because he comes across a bit more like quiet and stern and people think because of my work, I'm like, ah, hello, everyone.

And I'm like, no, it's just my job. But then like in terms of how I restore or like spend my time when I can, it's definitely not like at a raging party. Great. Question number two. A little more invasive. It's going to require a little more honesty potentially okay has emily ever gone into karen mode with customer service not maybe even full-on caring but do you remember a time where you're like

okay i i probably was a little uh like they're just doing their job and i feel bad um no i actually don't think i have karen mode in me i'm not even just saying that i actually believe that you seem really quite kind i think of anything if i get frustrated in the customer service moment i just like cry not because i like i'm just like why are you trying to ruin my day help me uh all right does emily listen to true crime podcasts no i do not really not in the that was a very definitive quick answer yeah that's not really like it's just kind of dark and okay i prefer kind of like no serial killers for serial killers for you. No serial, lighter content. I love your podcast, of course.

Very kind of you to say that. But not that. Okay. A little bit of pop culture and history in this question. Can Emily name all four members of the Beatles? No, no. Do you guys think I'm that old? Who submitted these questions?

No, you don't have to be old. John Lennon. Yeah. That's all I have. Paul McCartney. Ringo Starr. And George. What's George's last name?

I feel less bad. You guys don't know either. George Harrison. George Harrison. George Harrison. Yeah. Does that have an age thing? Does Emily prefer TikTok over Instagram? The big debate.

I would say I spend more time on TikTok. I will say it's just a little bit more entertaining, but I feel like my attention span is officially like a goldfish because of it. Yeah. Do you feel like every time you're on TikTok and then you pop over to Instagram, it's like going to the party that you didn't want to go to? Yeah.

I do feel like Instagram has gotten a lot more boring, unfortunately. Step it up. I know. I know. I think I'm going to say this is a yes. Has Emily ever sobbed in public? Oh, my God, yes. Yes.

Who hasn't? I need to know who doesn't at some point in your life. Well, if you count TV, I certainly have. Yeah, you've taken it like another level. Does Emily have any unusual talents? No, it's fine. I don't. I was going to say, like, do you?

Like, what is it? Wait, don't you have? Can you sing or something? You're like super flex. I'm talking to Natalie, my girlfriend. She's in the room. Oh, no. And Natalie absolutely has a hidden talent of some kind.

She has a photographic memory, at least to the point where, and I'm not exaggerating, she knows every word to every song. If she hears it once, it lacks in, and she knows all the words. That's almost like a different kind of photographic memory. It's like something with music. Yeah, it's remarkable. Has Emily ever made a first move on a guy have you ever shot your shot yeah i definitely have yeah i think i i did when

i was younger but i think like my approach to that was just like going out of your way to talk to someone that you want to talk to have you ever been rejected um yes i have yes i have yes don't love that don't love that didn't then yeah um and it sucked but it was also like it is what it is right i guess it's like it's a very healthy thing yeah you kind of need it yeah has emily ever gotten grounded i was such a like no you never got grounded no i was so good like and i felt like i was so honest with my parents too like about what i was doing and what i was up to and i was the youngest and i feel like by the time i came around they were just like i was just like tell them i'd be like oh by the way like i did not sleep at that person's house last night i actually like went to a party and did this my parents would be like what like

why did you lie and why are you telling us this now and they'd be like let's not do that anymore and i'd just be like okay okay i don't know i just i'd okay well they just sent us a new question okay i'm scared i'm gonna think the answer is no here although because like you you and nally are similar and like nally's very like calm energy except that i would say yes to emily for the uh to nally for this next question and the question is because like nally the karen question like nally's so kind yeah and so empath to, to like everyone in the world. However, the question is,

has Emily ever had a moment of any kind of road rage? And I would say, Natalie, like you see a little like aggression, a little bit come out when she's driving sometimes. It's hard. It's hard.'s hard um yes for sure i am such a bad driver and actually this weekend we were driving to a wedding in new jersey and i took one wrong turn and costed us an additional two hours in the car and i you you and kyle yeah how

did he handle that oh he was screaming and I was also screaming but he was like on the phone working and I did that and I just like I literally grabbed the steering wheel and like I was like if anyone in the cars going by sees this like pregnant lady like this like sobbing like banging on the steering wheel that's not really road rage it was like my own mistake that I was so mad at myself about but i definitely let it out in the car sometimes oh i mean you just described like a it's so upsetting well not only that but like that's why like that is one of those like honest mistake moments that like you know he's gonna have a reaction to but like yeah and he was in the bridal party or the groomsman party and I made him late to it.

And like that just triggered me in so many ways, like being late. Don't like that. Like it just there was lots of tears, rageful tears. Final question. Yeah. Does Emily still have any belongings, clothing, old letters from an ex of any kind luckily none of my exes really had anything like worth keeping um i i think i have like one photograph upstate at my parents house that an ex took um a really nice framed photograph um and that i believe is it i i'm a big believer in not feeling like you have to throw away all those things no to appease your current

or new relationship because at some point when you find your person and you and let me know if you agree or disagree uh and you get married and you have a family you have like a truly meaningful real love that has a true foundation you won't care about those little things and those are just memories of your life that got you there and you'll want to look back and read a letter you wrote to someone else or that someone wrote to you. That doesn't mean anything at all to you now other than like that was your life. Like a time machine. Those things you, what do they used to call those things?

You'd bury it with some memories and you dig it up. Yeah. My husband and I both have massive clear memory boxes. So I lied. I totally have old things from exes and people. And so does he. Ours are like stacked on top of each other. And it's like, yeah, it's just like moments from your life.

It's not about, oh, you're not over them anymore. No, no. It's just, and maybe sometimes to get over someone, you should like give those to your parents or get rid of it. So it's not there but yeah i think sometimes we in new relationship where there's some insecurity and newness and especially if you came out of an old relationship and like oh you dated for six years and how will

i compare to them then you start being like well why are you wearing that watch if they gave it to you for your birthday you're just like oh oh, fuck. I don't know. It's on his watch or something. And I just, I think that's something young couples should try not to do. Emily, what a pleasure to have you. Thank you so much for coming. I really have enjoyed talking to you. Please let my audience know where they can follow you

and all your platforms. Just remind them of all your websites and so they can enjoy all the things you're putting out there. Yeah. You can follow me on Instagram, TikTok, YouTube, just Emily DiDonato. Covey is just Covey on Instagram or coveyskin.com. Come say hello. I read my DMs like I mentioned earlier. And sometimes respond. And you might get a photo of you getting flipped off. Exactly. Be careful. With an invite. Thanks so much, Emily, again. And thank you guys for a photo of you getting flipped off. Exactly. Be careful. I didn't invite.

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