The Viall Files - E339 Connor Wood - Lessons From Living Alone

Episode Date: November 3, 2021

Today Nick sits down with the very funny, social media rising star, Connor Wood- also known as: Fibula. Nick jumps right into calling Connor out on his little white lies, and they later get into when and where lying is ok. Connor also shares about his beginnings on TikTok, a little dating science he learned from working at Bumble and answers the question: how important is the bio? (Hint: very.) The guys discuss the things you discover about yourself when living alone and why comparison can sometimes bring you joy  “Compare yourself to someone who sucks.”  Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes.  For merch please visit www.viallfiles.com today! THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Better Help: http://www.betterhelp.com/VIALLFILES to get 10% off your first month Each & Every: http://www.EachandEvery.com/VIALL and Use promo code VIALL30 at for 30% Off Episode Socials:  @viallfiles (Instagram) @nickviall (Instagram & Tik Tok) @fibula (Instagram) @fibulaa (Tik Tok) See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The show is sponsored by BetterHelp Online Therapy. Without a healthy mind, being happy is hard. Visit betterhelp.com slash vile files and see if online therapy is for you. What's going on everybody welcome back to an exciting episode of the vod files i'm your host nick joined by the dynamic duo of ally and amanda or amanda and ally do you guys pay attention to like whose name i say first and wonder if it means i like one of you better in any given day or no. Have you ever thought about that?

I do think about the fact that it seems like sometimes you almost forget my name. Like sometimes you just say Allie and... So you are self-conscious about it? No, I wouldn't say I'm self-conscious about it. I just think sometimes like the cadence with which you say it, like I'm like, oh, he did not. He did not feel like he had a firm grasp on my name in that moment. First off, I've decided that I'm going to try and speak at a higher pitch than I normally do. Because on the back end, I sound like an 80-year-old man.

You want to sound less sad? Yeah, mostly. I'm so happy. But when I interviewed for this job, at the beginning of it, Nick was like, should we go by Allison? You go by Allie? And I was like, well, you can call me either. But like my friends call me Allie.

And at the end of my first interview with Nick, he was like, thanks Allie. And I was like, oh, we're friends. What would you have done if I would've called you Allison? I would have been like, I shouldn't have made that Christmas cruise reference. Do you really go, does anyone call you Allison? When I started college, everyone called me Allison and

then I was like actually it just like feels weird because I've been going by Allie my whole life and everyone was like that's so interesting you don't strike me as an Allie and I was like well that doesn't feel correct so you kind of lied to me on your interview so you don't really go by Allison well I was trying to be polite you could call me if you wanted like a more formal relationship I guess we could go back to that. You seem like an ally. I don't know. Thank you. Anyway, I found out today that I drastically trimmed the beard

for the Austin Powers costume. Natalie did not appreciate my dedication to the costume. And then I started drilling her on like, just how ugly do you think I am without facial hair? And I finally elicited what I thought was the most honest response because it was like, no, you're like, to drilling her on like just how ugly do you think i am without facial hair and i finally elicited what i thought was the most honest response because it was like no you're like i think you're like the best lady i have ever met like regardless and then i kept drilling and digging deeper only to find out that if she saw me at the bar she would think i was attractive

but she like wouldn't necessarily want to take me home. So like, she'd be rooting for me. She's like, you know what? Someone would love this person, just not me. And that was heartbreaking for me. So. That's tough. But hey, at least, you know, at least, you know, you've got range. I don't know if I, well, that's the thing. I don't, I don't know if I do, but what it does, you know, there's a something I, what I've learned is, you know, that's the thing. I don't know if I do. But what it does, there's something, what I've learned is you take the good with the bad. I pride myself in making really good meatballs. And we went to Chicago for dinner. And Natalie's like, iffy on meatballs.

She's like, I'll eat them. But then we order them at a restaurant in Chicago. And immediately she's like, these are better than yours. And I honestly appreciated the honesty because it built trust in our relationship that once in a while she can just hit me with a hard truth of I could say that yours are the best but I'm gonna hit you with the truth I just didn't want it to be about my face that was a hard totally you'd rather be in a hutch or balls. Well, okay. Okay, Ali. We have a great episode for you on that note,

transitioning to this episode. The very funny Fibula, or you also might know him as Connor Wood. He's got the luxury of having a one word nickname. Some of it, I think many of us are all jealous about. A very funny, lovable young man who I just really enjoyed our conversation and a really neat guy. I don't know.

I think he'll just enjoy listening to just bros bro out. You guys had a good banter. He was very nice. He's a funny guy. He like walked in and he brought you coffee. It was a lovely dynamic and i didn't no one told me about that and i ran into him like the next day at a party and he was like you didn't drink my coffee i'm like when did you bring me coffee because i think he felt bad because he walked in and you weren't here yet and our engineer was here and i was here and he brought one for himself and one for you but like

you weren't here yet and we were so he was like and the coffee can be for anyone and no one told me about it no one told me about it anyway he also was the reason why i thought to uh create our introvert line of clothes just well he's an extrovert i'm the introvert but anyways it's a fun fun conversation i hope you enjoy don't forget to send your questions at asknickatcastme.com cast with a K for Ask Nick episodes. And other than that, let's,

let's get to fibula. Do you go by fibula? I do go by fibula. Just the one. Or Connor. Fibula. I go by both. No one really knows. It's pronounced fibula. Fibula. Like the leg. Like a tibula. Like the what? Like the leg. Fibula I go by both no one really knows

it's pronounced fibula fibula like the leg bone like a tibula like the what? fibula and tibula that's how you got the nickname no I got the

lick lame I got the nickname because I tell a lot of little white lies so they call me fibs just kidding no it was

because of the leg bone are you going to laugh ever do you think during this? I'm just waiting I'm just trying to you going to laugh ever, do you think, during this? I'm just waiting. I'm just trying to figure out which is the truth. Do you tell little white lies? I guess we'll never know because all my little white lies.

Do you believe? Are our lies ever appropriate? Fully. Really? Yeah. I think if you're looking out for someone's best interest, and I guess that's subjective or objective, I guess, depending on who you ask. But I think if you're lying to help someone or ease the situation a little bit, I think that's okay.

Comfort them with the non-truth. Does it make you uncomfortable if people don't laugh at your jokes? The way that you're making direct eye contact with me and also smiling but not even giggling is making me a little bit nervous, I'll be honest. And then also you being like six. I don't believe you're six two. You've got to be like eight, eleven.

I'm wearing boots. Oh, that's it. What kind of boots? Just a regular stomp around kind of boot. But you're wearing high-soled sneakers. Yeah, no, I need these. My laughs don't come cheap in general. Well, that's good to know.

But when you get a good belly laugh... I win? It's rewarding. Yeah, it is. I don't do it on purpose. Sometimes I'm laughing and I just, it's rewarding. Yeah, it is. I don't do it on, it's a, it's a, it's just how I,

sometimes I'm laughing and I'm just inside just kind of going, should I be touching the mic with my lips like you are? I really get in there. Okay. Yeah. Okay. You know, the audio is probably so crisp right now.

Right. Yeah. I noticed the difference. Yeah. What about you? Do you think that lying is okay? I forget what we were talking about. Do I think lying is okay? I mean, I guess if we are thinking philosophically,

I'm sure at some point you could justify the truth, I suppose. Okay. I suppose I am someone who is known I suppose for leaning towards the truth at the risk of making someone uncomfortable truth is a funny thing sometimes in this world

but I think sometimes we should get better at avoiding little white lies i told i agree yeah i think we should collectively i'm not going to start anytime soon no i think at this point it's okay avoid is that do you do you sometimes tell white lies to avoid uncomfortable situations because I feel like when people tell people little lies and they'll say things like, I just didn't want to hurt your feelings. What they really mean is I didn't want to feel uncomfortable and I don't want to deal with it. And it's easier

just to be like, how much do I owe you for this therapy sesh? I feel like we're really getting into a lot of my, is this a problem for you? No, I into a lot of my... Nothing. Is this a problem for you? No, I don't think it's a problem. It's a problem for other people, probably. Yeah, but I don't think it's therapy. No. Okay. Well, this is fun.

It is fun. We're having fun. So is it fibula because of the bone? It's fibula. The story, I need a better story for it, to be honest. No, you don't. I just like the truth. I'll tell you the story.

Okay. I want to tell you the truth. Thanks. Until I find out a better lie to tell more fun but i uh i went to school in austin at ut austin and we go to this festival acl hook them yeah horns not not that no this is orange county okay um what was i saying oh i went to school at ut austin there's this festival it just passed i just went. ACL, Austin City Limits.

Okay, yeah. I've never been or heard of it. It's so fun. Austin's a great city. Like a mix of tech and music. That's South by Southwest. Shit. What is the difference of... South by Southwest is like the whole city.

Also in Austin. I think that that's more my speed. It's like a city-wide conference. Music, arts, culture, tech, you name it. Movies, film, whatever. But Austin City Limits is just like, now it's become like top 40 TikTok hits. Like artists, like Doja Cat.

And Miley Cyrus came this year. That was pretty cool. But anyways, we used to go when we were like in high school or in college. And it was like my sophomore year of college. And I had the like Bieber flip, hair flip. And my friends. And you mean like that? Like that flip.

Yeah, I have a receding hairline now, so I can't show you. But it's starting to run away. But my friends used to, we'd be like, we need to get through the crowd. Like they came up with this plan that they would, I would be standing alone and they'd be like, oh my God, oh my God, can we get a picture with you? Can we get a picture with you?

I have like a hundred followers or something on Instagram. And I'd be like, yeah, sure, whatever. And then everyone around us would be like, who is that? And they'd be like, he was on Wizards of Waverly Place on Disney. And they'd be like, oh, like let him through. And then I didn't have an Instagram. I was like, I should milk this a little bit. I should get some followers.

And so I changed it after 19 year old drinking however much and just found a one word thing that I could yell into a crowd to get some followers instead of my first and last name. And that's how it happened. I ended up with Fibula. I'm envious.

And also like Connor Wood is a nice name. Yeah. It's memorable. No one can mispronounce it. Right. It'd be tough to. And then even Wood, a lot of options for nicknames. Right.

There. Do you have any ideas? I mean, I'm sure the obvious ones that are like Woody. Yeah. Nice. I mean, I'm sure the obvious ones that are like Woody. Yeah. Yeah. Nice. But I'm envious because like Fibula is like a, like that one word Madonna type nickname.

Yeah. Like Beyonce. Yeah. I'm the next Madonna or Beyonce, I guess. Yeah. Should I sing? Can you? I'll sing it.

No, I can't. I'm working on it. I don't want to sing in public yet because if anything ever comes up and I do end up blowing up or something, maybe from this podcast, that was a joke. They're not all going to land, I guess. Do I have to laugh at all of your jokes?

No, but you don't have to stare at me with a little grin behind the mic. That's me laughing. Oh, okay. Different strokes, different folks, I guess. But if I do blow up i don't want anything of me singing anywhere publicly because they're gonna have to auto tune it and i don't want anyone to know that i'm like horrible how did you get started i'm like who

are you connor um who are you i just watched a tick tock and how to respond to that in an interview it's a tough question yeah but it's more like how do we fit the role in the culture of the company? Because you're like very popular. You have a very dedicated fan base. I suspect there's a lot of people tuning in to this podcast for the first time listening to you. And I thank you for bringing those people and welcome by the way. But for the people who don't know, I'd love to have you just give me your elevator speech

on like who you are and why you're around and the value you're bringing to this world. Yeah, I can't speak to the value, but I graduated from UT. I'm from Texas, Austin. Worked, my major was marketing. After failing out of both economics and engineering, I just landed there.

And I interned at Vans for a couple years, the shoe company, and then moved from there to the digital side at Bumble. So I was only, then I moved, I was like, I want to work in tech. You worked at Bumble? Yeah. For a couple years.

What'd you do for Bumble? I worked, so I started on like the backend digital side. So I was like targeting ads and I was working on like getting like, basically like if you type in on App Store, like Tinder, like figuring out which keywords to put Bumble on top is that like first thing that pops up.

So any like SEO, so anytime you're Googling anything, like Bumble needs to be up there. Any targeted ads, like I was making the ads and like pushing them out. So anytime you're Googling anything, Bumble needs to be up there. Any targeted ads, I was making the ads and pushing them out. So anytime you're on Snapchat and you're scrolling and you get a Bumble ad, I was pushing those out across all the platforms.

I wanted to off myself. It was so boring. And I was like, I'm behind a computer all day, like eight hours, just typing and A-B testing and doing all these things, pulling numbers. I was like, this sucks so bad. Like I, again, different strokes, different folks, like that's someone's bread and butter. I- It wasn't for you.

I was good at it. I just hated it. And I was like, there's something here that like you could bring out and about. Like if this keyword works really well in Nashville and doesn't work in Houston, like there's something physically where like we could get people this is before COVID so like I moved from there I was employed like 30 something at Bumble moved from there to the experiential side so doing more activations so any of those like pop-up type things at festivals or like random like on the street like wrapping a truck and doing a big like splashy buzzy event thing in New York or whatever. And then I left Bumble and went to Bird here in Santa Monica. So that's when I moved out here in 2019. And I did that same thing that I was doing at Bumble at Bird and then massive layoffs with COVID. And so I like got on TikTok and was like making jokes about being like laid off again, like at like mid twenties. I'm like, okay, I'm never going

to be able to get a job again. Now COVID, like this is such a garbage dumpster fire. And I guess everyone was like, it is a dumpster fire. And so like it started picking up on TikTok, just the universal truth type situation and like just having fun. And then it started picking up on TikTok, just the universal truth type situation and just having fun. And then I got signed at UTA end of last year. Actually, about this time. It's almost been a year. And then the rest is history. Now I'm

fully leaned into this entertainment sector. And it's so fun. And so, again, speaking to value, I don't know. But I'm figuring it out. You don't know? Like if you don't, you're unaware of the value you bring to anyone? Well, to anyone, I don't know.

I like comedy a lot. And I think that, again, it resonates with a lot of people. Like tough situations and I'm just making a joke out of it. And it's like, that's my bread and butter. And also having come from a very corporate environment or like startup environment a lot of people are like oh like there's credibility here to like make these jokes so i guess that's that's valuable to someone yeah to enough people if there's something getting in the way of your happiness or preventing you from achieving a goal maybe uh you need the help of a professional mental health expert to help you guide

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You don't think so? No, that's new. That you are confident. It's from just being on, I guess, TikTok. Because I was full blown embarrassing myself on the internet for so long. And it was like catching, you know, I was still trying to get a job the whole time. But prior to that, you didn't think of yourself as a confident guy? I was fine.

Okay. But now I've got this God complex from being on the internet. So like, I'd say it's like definitely more of a situation now than it was. confident guy? I was fine. But now I've got this God complex from being on the internet. I'd say it's definitely more of a situation now than it was. Is there anything from working at Bumble, like a dating app company, any insights you could offer to people?

Sometimes you hear people working in tech will especially behind the wall so to speak, will be like they'll learn all the things they shouldn't do. Are there any tricks of the trade?

For people, we talk a lot about dating and relationships in this podcast. People are constantly asking about dating apps. I'm generally a pro dating app guy in terms of like, hey, it's one way to meet people. What are your thoughts on meeting people

on dating apps? It works. There's a science to it. Like, it is literally almost a little bit creepy how much of a science there is.

Such as what? The way that you put your profile together. I'm trying to remember now because it's been two years. Oh, this is good information. Oh,

it's crazy. Like, I mean, if you... How would one put their profile together to meet someone? Yeah, it's like, obviously, oh, this is good information how would one put their profile together to meet someone obviously this mostly applies to dudes

put your profile together the way that you'd want to see whoever you're looking for's profile I think traditionally women are way better at putting the profiles together here's an awesome photo of me by myself here's my friends

here's an activity that I like to do. You want to see like the full picture of someone. Whereas like guys, it's like group photo, group photo, group photo, group photo, fish, dog, my mom. And it's like, it doesn't work. Like there's no like uniqueness about that or originality. So it's like, it's almost like the first date you go on is them like looking at your profile and like stalking it.

It's the same way you'd stalk like an Instagram profile. Like you need to see, yeah, we want it. Like you want to see that someone has friends. You want to see that they have activities that they like to do, things like that. So having like a well-rounded and also just like a photo of just yourself to start and smiling.

The smile actually increases your chances of a match by like, it's crazy. This is science, like 60%, 65%. So your first profile picture, the picture you lead with should be a picture of yourself with a smile. Smile, teeth. Interesting.

Gorgeous teeth. And for all the people out there who get frustrated with people coming up to them and say, smile more, that's not what we're talking about. As introverted people listening, sometimes they get frustrated with that. I'm one of those people. Yeah, of course.

But we can all smile. And certainly when it comes to dating apps, we should lean towards a smile. I mean, whatever you're comfortable with, obviously. But 67%. What I said, it's shocking and it's almost disheartening. Because if you are that person that's like, I just don't smile, I'm introverted, whatever.

It's frustrating to hear that there is facts behind. Well, I do this thing called questions with Nick on my Instagram. And I once, a while back, got, it was actually a guy and because you can't really tell who's answering the question today it's often women but this happened to be a guy and he's like i moved into a city how do i meet new people and i was like smiling helps right to which i got a ripped to shreds yeah no ripped to shreds but

there was i certainly scratched an itch right of a segment of my following being like, that's not cool. No one likes it when you tell women to smile more and they just assume, you know, I got a lot of women who are asking questions and sometimes you can tell because like the women asking questions will be like, why does he do this? Right. Right.

And that will further their gender. Right. And to your point is, listen, if you go, I get, if you're out in public and you don't want to be bothered or you're at a party and you don't want to talk

to a stranger or you don't want to dance with someone, you don't need to smile for someone's benefit. But nevertheless, smiling is more of an invitation than not smiling. It's science too. It's crazy how much of it is.

If you want to meet someone, even as an introvert, nevertheless, than not smiling. Approachability. It's approachability. That's science too. Yeah. It's crazy how much of it is. It's just a... If you want to meet someone, even as an introvert, nevertheless, you should smile. I mean, my resting gaze is not a smile. Totally.

But it does work. And mine isn't either. I found out recently, like, I have this face that just like, if I'm just resting, like it just sucks.

Like I'm just like, it looks like I'm tasting something really foul. I think I have one of the worst resting gazes it just sucks. Like I'm just like, it looks like I'm tasting something really foul. I think I have one of the worst resting gazes. You know what? I don't believe you at all. It's unpleasant. Yeah.

Well, I'll just say that I'm glad we're not sitting next to each other for this podcast. Because right now there's like an illusion because there's a camera here, camera here that we might be the same size and have the same upper body. That's why I wore a long sleeve shirt. But you don't have, you're gorgeous. That's why I wore a long sleeve shirt. You're gorgeous. It has nothing to do with looks. It's just, I think it's mean. My resting gaze

looks like I'm angry. Like you're going to fight club someone? I'm working through some sort of inner conflict and I might hate you even though we've never spoken. Are you working through an inner conflict? No. I might hate you even though we've never spoken. Right. Are you working to an inner conflict? No. I mean always in a way.

So people if you're on dating apps lead with a smiling picture. 67%. It's like a crazy stat. I don't want to speak. That's significant. It's notable. The thing is working at Bumble,

having worked at Bumble, knowing the stuff that I know, it's almost like working at Subway and seeing where the meat comes from. It's like, ugh, I don't want to go to Subway anymore. What other useful tips can you offer

other than smiling? Does the bio matter? Bio totally matters. Really? I mean, to me. You care about the bio? Yeah, of course. I think the bio,

you don't have to be a good writer, but like, are you funny? How funny could you be and how do you know if it's their bio or maybe they just had a friend and be like, you know what, this line works. They have good friends then, that's cool too. That's important. You actively read the bio? Fully.

Also the questions really help. I'm unfamiliar with Bumble so they have big prompts. I think like two years ago Hinge has it as well and Hinge is great.

But um Hinge is would you recommend Hinge over Bumble? I wouldn't say that because I would love a brand deal from both of them.

But I would say that like Hinge definitely like was on the forefront of those prompted questions where it's like, where can you find me on that Friday at midnight? It's like, you can make a joke out of that.

And if there's three of them, you kind of get a grasp of who someone is, what the conversation's going to be like, conversation starters, whatever. So the bio, it used to be like for a dude, it'd be like 6'3", if that matters, I guess. Like eating. It's like, what a dude, it'd be like 6'3", if that matters, I guess. Like eating. It's like, what are you going to do with that?

Everybody likes eating. You have to eat. You have to eat. So you would like to see at least an attempt at a joke. Sure. Does the attempt matter more than the, does it have to land? Or you just want to know this person's trying to have a sense of humor? I'm a little bit judgmental on that front.

But I appreciate the effort. So you're on Hinge or Bumble. You see a nice smile. And then you see someone else with more of a grin. Does the joke with the grin, you're matching more than the smile for you? Yeah. Despite that joke could be from anywhere. I think personality overlooks by far any day.

Okay. Yeah. Like long term, but like your initial match. I don't know, I'm just curious what you're... Yeah, no. You're a young man in your 20s. What is the plight of young men these days when it comes to dating? Like we have a lot of women guests. We have a lot of women audience.

We're often hearing from a lot of women in terms of the struggles of dating and relationships and frustrations and what they'd like to see more from men, what they'd like to see more from themselves. Here you are on the forefront totally on a dating app are you single i am yeah looking for love i yeah for sure i always yeah but what is the plight of uh i got really lucky with this whole like the internet thing so much so that it's like almost overwhelming like it's just like, and I'm complaining about something awesome. Like you're unrelatable now? Well, no.

It's like, I can't, whereas it used to be a little bit easier, now it's like, I don't open DMs really that often. Like requests, because it's just like, I want to respond to everybody, but I just respond to one,

and then I'm like, oh, now I have eight conversations going on. I don't want to leave anybody hanging ever, so it's just like, I just like respond to one. And then I'm like, oh, now I have eight conversations going on. I like don't want to leave anybody hanging ever. So it's just like, I just rather not open it. But speaking from my experience, and I'm not saying anything, I'm not fishing for anything, but like I have this mantra now that like girls like funny guys. Like I can like skip the jam now because like,

I'm like publicly doing standup on the internet basically. And you look at traditionally all these dudes that do comedy, they're not the best looking dudes. And they have these awesome girls that everyone's like, are you kidding me? How did that happen? It's like, girls like funny dudes. That's my mantra. I have it written in lipstick on my mirror when I brush my teeth. I'm like, girls like funny dudes. I say that three times. Most people are like, you're beautiful. You're perfect. You're successful. I'm like, girls like funny dudes. I'm not going to the gym today. That's it. That's it. Brush my teeth. I mean, they do. It often works. I mean, I think if you were to ask most women, they'd say, I just want to laugh. But what are your struggles? I mean, you must have struggles

or what were your struggles before you were a comedian on the internet? Yeah, well, I was just like... Like if you were a spokesperson for men in their 20s, single men in their 20s who are relatively successful, they have things going for them,

but in general, sometimes this feels hard. Are there any? Yeah, I mean like again like very specific to me like i was just trying to climb this ladder this startup thing so i had a year i think when i was at bumble where i was just that was like my life it's like i didn't really date at all so i think that's like post-grad if you're career driven or whatever like you just don't like that was a struggle for a while. I don't know.

Maybe something will come to me in a second and I'll just blurt it out. I got to think on it. Brain is a little bit slow. I got a concussion last weekend. Did you really? Yeah. I'm sorry. It's okay. How? Is that why you haven't had a cut there? I went to Target

and I asked one of the ladies in the Revlon section, I was like, what could I put on this? She was like, oh, I'll help you out. She took me back and she tested all my scars. And she was like, this will work. And so I tried to do it myself and I cannot figure it out. So anyways, my brain's a little foggy,

I think from that situation. Yeah. That's a serious thing. Concussion. Did you like rest? No, no, of course not. I don't rest very often. I don't think it's... How'd you get it? What'd you do? I was in Austin for ACL and I was just like, we were at the festival all day. It was so hot. And I was like, let's go to the river after this and I'll jump in. And they're like, I don't know, it's pretty late. I'm like, trust me, it's awesome. Like Barton Springs is so nice.

It's like 90 degrees out. Like the water's always like 60 degrees. So it's like pitch black out and I get everybody to hike down to the river and I jump in. I'm like, I'll jump in first. Slam my face on a rock and I come up and I'm like, all right, we gotta go.

And no one else got in. I was just like, I'll jump in first. Slam my face on a rock and I come up and I'm like, all right, we got to go. And no one else got in. I was just like, we got to go. But like, that's my role in the friend group is to like put my body and life on the line for like a story. So you're not only, you're funny with your words, but your body comedy, what do they call it? Body comedy? What is it?

Physical comedy? Physical comedy. Yeah, I would hope so. I try. Do you find dating to be confusing at all? Or is it? Physical comedy? Physical comedy. Yeah, I would hope so. I try. Do you find dating to be confusing at all or is it just now that you're funny, you're just crushing it? No, I think it comes in waves.

I'm in a time in my life right now where I feel like I felt when I was 20. It's so weird. I'm going to more events and things like that. I'm having a lot of fun with it, whereas a year ago, well, obviously, there was nothing going on. I wasn't going on dates.

I wasn't hooking up or anything. And it just comes in waves. It's like phases. So I'm just leaning into that right now. It's fun. I'm meeting a lot of people. And that's the coolest thing about it. This is all one big networking event,

whether you're hooking up or not. It's just fun so have you ever had what's your longest relationship two and a half years really yeah how'd that end um just like college was over but college was over college was over and it was we should who broke up with who it was just like mutual still friends it's never mutual who who was like hey college is over honestly it was like just kind of fizzled out type thing and it was like I was moving two and a half years yeah that's a long time well it was like and you were boyfriend and girlfriend yeah like and then just fizzled out were you guys in in love? Were you guys like... No, I don't think so. I think it was just like a unspoken,

like we were going to events and parties in college and we'd always leave together, hang out every day. And then at the end, it was just like, all right, we're growing up,

we're graduating. That was like a huge phase and move on. And what were you thinking was the cause of that? I only asked because I think that's unique. And I think it's great because you guys seem to have a healthy outlook on where you were in your life. Like it seemed like, you know, hey, I got a lot more I want to do.

I'm not ready to settle down. You aren't either maybe, or that's what she was also saying. Oh, I mean, i definitely wasn't which is not the case for everybody um i think especially like in texas we know you are unique i'm so quirky um no i like especially in texas is what i mean like a lot of my friends when they were 20 were like i'm marrying this girl or i'm marrying this guy. And it was called, it was ring by spring. That was the whole thing with like all of these Texas schools, like Baylor, A&M, not so much UT.

Try to get a ring before you go out. Like you, that's why I'm asking. Cause you have such a very casual, you could argue more progressive approach. One, you had perspective on where you were in life, which I think perspective at an early age is harder to have just because you have less to compare it to. And yes, you're from Texas,

a state that maybe might lean more traditional with its values when it comes to dating and relationship. And yes, you came from a place where you had this thing called Ring by Spring. Ring by Spring. I think it was kind of like an unspoken thing, especially no one that was taking part in it. And the premise was to basically get a ring before you guys graduate so that you guys could get married.

Getting a ring before you graduate so that like... Lock it down. Lock it down, yeah. And then by the time you graduate you can't meet people anymore and like there's nothing wrong with that it feels like

you don't think so? is that you lying? like personally it feels like to me no no because I like having married friends

and I like being the friend that like but if you if you had to give your if you had to give we know it's not for you but if you had to give your take even though you're we know it's not for you but if you had to give your take even though you're only speaking for yourself

and you don't want to like judge anyone's choices do you think it would it is the healthiest approach for people in college to

have a goal of just getting a ring as if meeting someone outside of college is impossible goal of just getting a ring as if meeting someone outside of college is impossible? Yeah, I mean,

no, I don't think that's the healthiest approach. But it depends on what your goals are. That's a lot of people's goals. And maybe you find some dude or some girl that has an awesome trust fund and it's like, cool, then I'm not going to pursue biochemical engineering because why would I? I would totally do that if that was the case.

For money. For money. But like I said, I was so focused on, I was working as soon as I got to college. I was like, job, job, job. I need to build this resume. I want to graduate. I want to have a job. And then I had the job and I was like, job, job, job. I need to build this resume. I want to graduate. I want to have a job. And then I had the

job and I was like, what's my next job? It was literally, I think it's a pretty on paper, it's a selfish approach because I wasn't. It's a good time to be selfish. I'm still on that selfish stage, I think. It's also okay to be like, I'm not in a place, I can't even get

a dog right now. I didn't even eat breakfast. It's okay to do whatever you want. I didn't blow out the candle, I don't think, either, when I left my house. So, if I can spend the night, I can think of my place. But it's okay. I am taking care of me right now. I'm willing to admit

that I don't think I could give someone the attention that they deserve at this stage of my life. Text someone all day. Do you have married friends in Texas? I have a ton yeah and i love that are they all super happy on instagram they seem to be i'm the friend that um they are like stoked because they're like we're gonna go visit connor this weekend like i take them have fun but then they go back to their married life and like a part of me is a little bit like sad for them dang no sad for me i'm like sad for them

sad for them sad for me it's like at least they go back and they have this like very do they act in ways that if a camera was on them the whole time their partners would be satisfied with their decisions? Yeah, totally. Like I don't have any friends that are infidels by any means. Great. Especially like the married ones. I have friends with like two kids already. Really?

Yeah. It's crazy. Cause I'm like, we're already doing that. And then I look at my age and I'm like, oh, like, okay, that makes sense. Like my parents had me really late. And so like, that's my like standard practice. My dad was like 36 or something. So yeah, I'm not in a rush by any means.

So how does a young man like yourself, who's on the brink of superstardom, celebrity. Thank you. Knock on wood for me. This is a nice table. I mean, I'm not even being sarcastic.

You're, you're crushing it. You're people it you're people you step outside people are like you got a single name

nickname oh there's actually a crowd outside yeah so someone who is in a selfish stage of his life yeah

who's also dating participating in hookup culture these are all normal things these are all how do you go and someone who sometimes could dating, participating in hookup culture, these are all normal things. These are all,

how do you go? And someone who sometimes could see a world where a white lie might be appropriate, how do you approach dating in a world where hookup culture can get a little messy? How do you maintain your priorities with your personal life while meeting people, nice people and how do you figure out whether your priorities lined up what do you do if you meet someone how do you avoid the fuck you fibula you fuck boy who just wanted to get in my pants conversation I don't think that that would,

I mean, communication, obviously. I'm very, very transparent to a fault. I'm surprised I haven't said anything horrible on, I mean, not horrible, but just self-deprecating, shoot myself in the foot something here today. It's shocking, but I'm just like, hey, heads up. I say exactly what I said to you. I'm like, I'm not pursuing anything.

Welcome to just be friends. Welcome to be. I'm like, I'm not, you know, pursuing anything. Like, welcome to just be friends. Like, welcome to be whatever. But, communication, I guess. That whole spiel that I just did was not even a coherent thought.

It was just a bunch of words. I think we understood. Okay. Now, are you, do you sound like that in a dating situation where she's like,

I like, we can role play. I'll be like, hey, like, you're really, you're gorgeous by the way. I love your eyes.

I like you so much. I like you too're gorgeous by the way I love you I like you so much and like I'm a little horny maybe we should hook up and you say like we had a great date I had such a good time I had such a nice time

with you and like maybe we should fool around yeah let's do it I think let's like be real with ourselves do you set expectations

before you fool around or is it like let's do it then afterwards ourselves. Do you set expectations before you fool around? Or is it like, let's do it. Then afterwards you're like, hey, by the way. Fully. Before. Yeah, totally before. And also like recently, I don't know. Maybe you have some advice for this.

I don't, I'm just. No, no. Well, I mean, that was my answer. I would set it before. I'd be like, hey, heads up. So, and then where are you at? What, how do you, okay. And then she goes like, okay, like totally.

You guys have the sex, your wear protection, you're super safe. And then she's like, a week later, she's like, you call her like, I had a good time.

And then you hang out, you know, you're in your fourth time hanging out. You're still having sex. Meanwhile, you've been like, I don't look, I don't want anything super serious.

And then she's like, like, so like, wasting time. Like, what are we doing? Yeah. Well, what if she's like, Oh, we're like wasting time. Like, what are we doing? Yeah. Well,

what if she's like, Oh, we're like, I don't know. Like we're having fun. Do you, do you think at any point the person who has been like, Hey,

I don't want to look at it, have anything serious, but you guys are like kind of acting like boyfriend and girlfriend sometimes. Yeah. Do you, whose responsibility does it mean more more to shut it down? In this case, I think it's 50-50 personally. 50-50.

I'm not opposed to that also. I want to be totally clear. If that came up, I'm not absolutely not Peter Pan vibes. I'm just going with the flow right now. I think it'd be 50-50. Again, communication, just being like, hey, Cheesecake Factory was awesome

for the fourth time and we've been whatever this whole time. Kind of depends. Have they met my friends? Has my mom come to visit? We've gone to the farmer's market together. Are you against those stages with someone you're just hooking

up with? No. You aren't against it? No. So you would introduce someone to your mom no you aren't against it no so you would introduce someone to your mom that you've been like i don't want anything serious i mean again i don't think i would say that and then like take those steps i think that's like irresponsible okay yeah so we're on the same page yeah so you wouldn't do that no but i'm saying like i might be misleading yeah yeah no no um i am like setting myself up for like fuck boy status while i'm saying this stuff but i'm not trying to get you in a gotcha thing, but you are a young man who's dating.

You are, in a lot of ways, a target demo of a type of man that our audience would be interested in dating. I think we always like to hear the perspective of the other side. For a lot of people listening to this podcast, you are the other side and they want to look to you to see like, you know, what would you do or, you know,

what is your point of view in a situation? And it's just always helpful. Yeah, totally. To hear. Yeah. I'm like preaching communication and can't string like 10 words together with a period.

It's like, I know we're like, whatever, which is totally great communication. I was going to ask you, I have a question for you. Okay. So I've recently had like two friends

and separate, like they don't even know each other, express interest. In you. In me. And like I have this blatant rule where I just don't hook up with my friends. Smart.

And I don't date my friends because I value friendship over, oh yeah, but like what do you do in that situation? It's been like straight up face to face. They've been like, I like you. Yeah. I think if you just want to be friends with them, then you definitely don't hook up with

them. Right. And I've done just that. Yeah. I think that's smart. You just shut it down? Yeah. As opposed to what?

I just didn't, like, I was just like, hey, we're friends. I like being friends and I don just like hey we're friends I like being friends and I don't hook up with my friends well are you sexually interested in them? like I could be

but like I don't want to be you could be what do you mean? you know what I mean well I mean I'm sure your friends are beautiful but like are they

like someone that you I would date both of these individuals you would but I don't want to because I they're in our like they're in my friend group individuals, but I don't want to because they're in my friend group. A breakup can destroy a friend group.

I had that happen three times in college where it's like, okay, we can't hang out. Which side are we on? And we all have to unanimously and then it splits and then if one person comes bowling one night, the other person can't come, which means that the next time we all hang out, the other person has to come.

It's messy. It's so messy and it's not worth it. It's exhausting. How do they handle you turning it down? You're like, okay, great. But like still like the next time we hang out, it's like, oh. They're awkward or you're awkward?

I'm awkward because that's all I think about. I'm like, I hope that I was like, you know, nice enough and respectful of that and I don't want to shut anybody down. Obviously, I'm being nice because I love my friends, but I hope I wasn't being nice. Are they friends with each other? No, this is two separate people.

Okay, that's probably good. Could you imagine? Talk about messy. But yeah, that's solid advice. It's good to know that I'm on the right track. Yeah, I would avoid it. But eventually, you probably solid advice. It's good to know that I'm on the right track. Yeah, I would avoid it. Yeah. But eventually, you probably won't be friends with them.

Someday. Most likely. That was morbid. Why do you say that? Does one of us... Because someday you'll get a girlfriend. I'll be drafted into the military one day and... Yeah.

Relationships are like big in the military. You'll get a girlfriend and she will get a vibe from these friends that they like you. She's going to have to kill them. And she'll be like, hey, what's up with Courtney?

And you're like, oh, nothing. We're totally friends. You're like, I don't know. I feel like she likes you. You're like, no, no, we're just friends. And then you'll just say something

that will suggest what happened and then it'll be weird or whatever, or you guys will get super serious. And then these other friends will actually find boyfriends and you just will care less. Like the friend groups will like fizzle out. Like she's not going to be at the baptism of your kid. My firstborn, yeah.

I mean, not anytime soon, but someday you guys won't be friends anymore. Okay. That's fine, I guess. It's a bummer. It's crazy how many people, like how many Bachelor guys I've randomly become friends with. Have you?

Since moving to LA, like just randomly. Like who? Luke Stone, if you're familiar. Demario Jackson. I've not met Luke. I'm aware just because people thought we looked alike. You do kind of.

Yeah. I don't see, I mean, we have curly hair. A little bit of scruff. Yeah. Kind of like the same, honestly, your face. Okay. Yeah. He lives in LA?

Yeah. Okay. And Demario? Demario also lives in LA. I lived he was we had like a double unit place

when I lived here in January for a couple months and he was in the other unit so we became fast friends but yeah do you like him

I love him I love every single one I meet really yeah it's like you guys are just like... Just a bunch of guys trying to figure it out. Yeah. I know everyone is just trying to figure it out.

You know how I... Like I knew you from Bachelor, but you know how I like know your face? That movie you did, the Christmas movie? Christmas Cruise, yeah. Christmas Cruise. Yeah. I watched that and I was like, okay, this...

I haven't seen it. You haven't seen it? No, but it's someone by that park. You should see it. It's good. That's how I got this job. Fun fact. What's that?

I feel like I like called Nick out on my, what it was like second round interview. And I made a whole PowerPoint presentation of what I would do in this position. And then at the end of it, I was like, or if nothing else, we all just relax and take a Christmas cruise. And I was like, either this joke lands or I will do in this position. And then at the end of it, I was like, or if nothing else, we all just relax and take a Christmas cruise. And I was like, either this joke lands

or I will never get this job. Did you get a daily laugh? I do not remember. Chrissy really enjoyed it. There was a laugh from Chrissy. Yeah. That was all I needed. Yeah.

Well, either way, you got the job. Here we are. Is Chrissy the one that went into the wilderness? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, how is she still in the woods alive yeah yeah sick yeah good for her so christmas cruise you liked it i loved it yeah i thought it was really good did you watch it um i saw it like actually two years ago but

i always you genuinely were like watching the christmas cruise yeah okay i mean i have seen it people watch it it's I've wanted to watch it so many times and every time my friends are like what should we watch I'm like a Christmas cruise

and they're like no Alex during the holiday season I always get a like there's still should we do a viewing party they're still airing it no

it's still on it's good it's like good vibes like you watch it and it's like okay like I think we're all on a Christmas cruise

if you think about it how so just like this life thing that we're doing it's just all on a Christmas cruise if you think about it. How so? Just like this life thing that we're doing. It's just like one big Christmas cruise. What are you most, other than comedy, what are you most passionate about? What in the world bugs you? What in the world bugs me?

Everything bugs me. Like what? So I just moved in by myself. First time ever. It's really scary. And the reason I found out I need to live by myself is because I was going through I've lived with a couple my best friends I've never lived with less than like three people through college and then post-grad and these are my best friends I keep moving in with and then

suddenly like I don't like the way someone breathes through their nose or I don't like the way they walk like their footsteps or I don't like and I'm like whoa like this happens to everybody like these are my best friends and then suddenly I'm like I can't stand this person everything they do and every move they make and every breath they take and how they eat cereal like why are you slurping just put it in your mouth and I'm like holy, I am the common denominator here. Like, just live by yourself. I think that's everyone to a certain degree. Well, I just like, I found out I have this like,

shoot, I can't remember what it's called, but it's like audio, like I'm really like sensory overload with audio stuff. And so like the way people breathe and the way they chew and the way some people yawn like the when someone yawns it goes I'm like shut I'm gonna kill you why would you do that? I don't know

if we could be that close of friends. I take that really personally. I'm only just basing this on what you're telling me. I actually found out last night while eating dinner with Natalie we had a nice little steak dinner where at home? I like to think, I can

confirm it, but there's a lot of great places to eat steak. But if you had, if I got one chance, I'm up there with offering someone possibly one of the better bites of steak they've ever had.

Like a single bite. Like the best part of the steak that you receive? Yeah, if I cook a steak, depending on the temperature you want, maybe if that's what you like, but I could offer you, I'm going to cook a steak. You cooked it at home?

Yeah, we do it once a week. Wow, that's sick. But what I found out from talking to Natalie is that when it comes to eating, I'm more of a liability than I wanted to realize. The way you chew? Eat, chew. At some point at home, I do like to eat with my hands

and I'll just be chilling and my hands and like I was just chilling and I'll pick a potato and just eat it. And then like Natalie noticed it and then I kind of had a out of body experience and I thought, yeah, I mean. Did she say something? She was very kind, a non-judgmental because she's the sweetest person ever.

But then I was just like, this is bad, right? Like, is this bad? I should not do this. And then I've just like, this is bad, right? Like, is this bad? I should not do this. And then I've never done that like- In public. In public. But then I thought to my, I asked like,

and what I've learned about myself, even in public, is that when I eat, I eat like I'm hungry. Sure. And I think a lot of people- Like if the food's not going anywhere. Like a lot of people, if the food's not going anywhere like a lot of people like with what they might

what some people might refer to as manners they might go out of their way to eat while simultaneously look like they're not hungry you know what I'm saying? totally yeah yeah yeah like then I'm just like moving it around

it's food it's not going anywhere like I don't really need to eat it like I think a lot of people are you kind of like like hunched over? I just look like I'm hungry. I eat like I'm hungry. Okay, I understand. And I don't know if that's like the worst thing in the world,

but like I think sometimes even like at a nice steak place, like say Craig's in LA, which is very sceny, I still might in the heat of the moment might be just focused on the food and the fact that I'm being hungry and I've

it was a real self-conscious moment for me last night and now hearing how you have sense like you're a sensitive guy when it comes to what did Natalie say exactly she was like oh like eating it with your hands again oh and i was like oh no no i asked her i was like i kept wanting to know if like okay like i know it's like probably not the best but like is there any part of it? It's like, oh, that's endearing. Like, oh my God, my boyfriend's like,

eat with his hands again. Like, ah, like I love that. You know, like sometimes you want to fall in love with someone and you know, no one's perfect. And it's their imperfections that you go, I love that about them. I can't relate, but I know that some people are like that. I want that to be like, like the thing I do,

a love that's like cute. And I was hoping, and then she, bless her heart, was just like, you know, I love you, you know? And then I got real self-conscious and started asking, because I'm like, I know I didn't eat with my hands at like say Craig's, but I was like, am I like a liability at all? Like in public?

Well, I mean, I didn't. And she was cautious about how she answered in her. That is so sweet. Yeah, well, I still knew what she was trying not to say. You know. That is a, all I'm hearing is healthy relationship alert, but I like think that the most important takeaway here is

that like we're all works in progress and you have self-awareness and that is so special do you have self-awareness? it's too much you can have too much I agree you can have way too much another reason I don't go to the gym I'm like everyone's looking at me no one's looking at me

my concussion scab is just bleeding I didn't even notice you had a scab until you told me you had a concussion because I put the Revlon makeup on it. Do you support men in makeup? Fully, yeah. I think it's crazy. I actually had, so after I left Bumble, forcibly,

just kidding, I was working with a friend on like a male skincare and like, shoot, whatever I'm using on my face, like the, what is it called when you have? Concealer? Yeah, like a male version of whatever. There's a male version? There isn't any marketed towards men. And so I was like, we could relabel this, white label it,

and literally just market this towards guys. And I think a lot of guys would do it. I'm someone whose parents let them stay home from school if I had a massive zit. Really? I definitely stole my sister's makeup when I had a zit in high school. My mom would make me put it on

for picture day. Which says a lot about her. I grew up in Wisconsin and if I got caught wearing makeup back in the day, I'm a little older. Are people more accepting of men in makeup? Yeah, I mean, we see guys like Lil Huddy, and we see

Lil Yachty. They both just came out with nail fingernail polish this year. And I think makeups, I mean, guys are wearing makeup right now because we're going through a Sum 41 Blink 182 phase again. MGK is, for some reason, And I think like makeups, I mean, guys are wearing makeup right now because we're going through like a some 41 blink 182 phase. Again, MGK is like, for some reason, every headline,

he's wearing makeup every day. It's like, I think it's just going to be like very polarized and then just end up being like, you can wear this on your like bloody concussion scar. What if, can you just wear makeup and not have an injury? Well, I can't imagine doing it every day it took me like an extra 10 minutes or something to

put it on and I still didn't do it right if you got really close you'd be like you should take a step out maybe powder your nose again I think you look great do you enjoy living by yourself that's what I'm kind of like figuring out right now. Like I've been really busy.

I moved in a month ago. I just paid my rent yesterday because I'm not used to, I haven't paid rent in like a year and a half. So I'm 13 days late. What do you mean you haven't paid rent in a year and a half? We lucked out.

So during the pandemic, went down, I was so stoked to work at home. I was at Bird. So stoked to like work from home. My friend who was at UCSB at the time, she was like, hey, my parents have this beach house in Newport Beach down south. They can't rent it right now because COVID regulations. Do you guys want to go down and stay down there for the weekend? And I was like, hell yeah. I packed a little duffel bag

and I bring my laptop and I'm like, okay, a little long weekend. I'm going to take like two work from home days. So we weren't even working remote yet. This is March 15th. I think we were the last company to like fully work from home. Packed this little duffel bag, day one working from home. You've been laid off. So I head back up here and I pack all my stuff

and I'm like, I'm going to kind of put it in the storage unit. So that like long weekend turned into 11 months at this beach house, and it was an awesome, great place to spend lockdown. And then just had been looking for a place for another five months after that, and finally found it. But living by myself, again, I forgot to pay rent until yesterday.

Also, I didn't know that you'd pay gas. I've never done this, because I've had roommates and like somehow I escaped having any bill under my name forever. It's great. And so I was Venmoing people. And then suddenly I'm taking a shower for like a third night in a row and I'm in a unit by itself. It's not attached to any other things. It's like, it's sick. And suddenly I'm on my third cold shower in a row and I'm like, oh, the hot water must be on. I'm like, wait, I live on myself. And I'm like, oh my God, my gas got shut off

because I didn't pay. Have you checked your credit lately? Nope. I'll do that when we, I don't even know how. It only came up because I too, I learned this the hard way. When I, in college, had three roommates and we split the utilities and like who would put like what under their name.

And I was like, yeah, I'll just, you know, like I'll pay the electric when I pay it. Like, I don't know. And I didn't.

They shut it off? No, they didn't shut it off. But what they did is. It affects your credit? Fuck yeah, it does. yeah.

Oh, damn it. I got to call my dad after this too, actually. It's a tough lesson to learn. Yeah, it is. It'll be on there for seven years. It'll be fine. You say seven years?

Yeah. Damn it. Okay, well, cool. That's just like part of life. That's life. Just start hanging on time and everyone makes mistakes and you'll be fine. Just start. Dean Martin. What's his name? Frank Sinatra. Start hanging on time and everyone makes mistakes. Sinatra. And you'll be fine.

For sure. Yeah. I'll be totally fine. You will. Okay. Well, definitely. But just like lesson learned. Yeah.

Totally. First it affects your credit. Then they shut off your water. Let's move on. So I was basically like figuring out how to live alone. And I like, I got a TV. Like I've never been like how to live alone. And I got a TV. I've never been a TV watcher. And now that I live alone, the TV's on all day.

I turn it on tennis channel because for some reason, the grunts and the ball hitting, it just sounds good while I'm working. I don't know why, but that's just on all day. But I have been watching some shows. I'm not a big show watcher either. Have you watched Squid Game yet? No, I haven't watched it. I don't think I'm going to.

I think I'm too late. I don't think you are. I just don't get any of the references. Episode six. I haven't seen it. What do you mean the references? I'm on Twitter and there's jokes about... Squid Game?

Squid Game. Travis told me I shouldn't watch it. I haven't seen the end yet, but I think it's brilliant. I really got to the point of the show where I feel like I get what they're trying to do. I haven't finished it. What episode are you on?

Six of eight. See, I can't get through six episodes of anything if I don't know. I don't have a grasp. I just watched Nine Perfect Strangers. It's a good show. Great. The filming, casting, insane. I was like, wow, that was a waste of, basically, okay, I'm living alone.

I'm so like alone that I'm figuring out that I talk to myself a lot. And I had this spider that was in my house the other day and I was like, I'm not even going to kill it because it's like nice to have company. But like I had the actual thought I was like should I ask it what episode we're on because I couldn't remember but like that's how like

weird and in your head you are like living by yourself I think I'm discovering a lot about what's going on I think that's great I didn't live alone until I was like 31 and by the time I did it I really quite enjoyed it. Yeah.

But I think I would have struggled earlier on. Yeah. So you feel lonely sometimes. I haven't felt lonely yet, no. But you are talking to spiders. Yeah. I guess maybe that's a sign of early onset loneliness. Loneliness is okay.

It totally is. You can feel lonely and not be alone. You're clearly not alone. You have friends. Yeah, there's friends. I mean, like LA, the only thing that sucks about LA is like all my friends, they'll live two miles away and it's like a 35 minute drive somehow.

Like I could jog there faster. So that's the only thing. But like, yeah, there's like so many people that live in every neighborhood here. And I've been busy. So like been so lucky to be busy. So yeah, I haven't felt no negative effects of loneliness i think talking to spiders is just totally fine fairly normal for people that should be locked up

and do you you've always talked i've talked to myself a lot yeah no i like always having a like maybe again another observation of natalie's she'll often be like so what are you guys talking about and yeah what are you guys talking about? Yeah. What are you talking to yourself about? If I think of a bit or something for TikTok or if I'm like, right now I'm writing, trying to write a stand-up set and I think of something and I do it and I'm kind of

audible about it, outward, but most of the time I'm just like, where if my neighbor's outside, he's like, oh, he has so many people over at his house. It's just me walking around. But what are you talking to yourself about? Are you just going through...

Sometimes I fight with people. Like thinking of things you could have said. I'm totally winning this argument. That's nice to have those little wins throughout the day. So I do that a lot. Yeah, with podcasting or I'm thinking of ideas winning this argument. Yeah. That's nice to have those little wins. Yeah. Throughout the day. So I do that a lot. Or, or yeah, it's like with podcasting or I'm thinking of ideas or like if I'm trying to

like, I get asked a question and I'm like, Oh, what would be like a clever way of saying this? That's relatable. And I'm just like, you know, yeah.

Oh, I totally, I know that motion too. Yeah. And like, and Natalie will often be like, what are you guys talking about? Yeah.

And if you talk to yourself, like you get it. Like I get what you're saying. Exactly. If you don't talk to yourself. Isn't it like, it's a sign of intelligence. Is it?

Yeah. That's what my dad said. Or maybe he just felt bad for me. I talk in accents to myself. So it's just like a different level. It's very fun. Maybe you, it's like different versions of yourself from like past lives. Yeah. Like when I'm cooking. Like you just like a different level it's very fun maybe you it's like different versions of yourself

from like past lives yeah like when I'm cooking like a Victorian era yeah like ballet dancer yeah I think talking to yourself

is okay I think it's healthy oh cool we're in good company then do you get what do you what do you get most self-conscious about

my nipples and that's why I'm so glad it's not freezing cold in here I appreciate the honesty yeah I know and i'm nothing if not fully transparent yeah yeah what about your nipples are you self-conscious about like i could nip through like a leather jacket like i wore uh like a three-piece suit someone's wedding and i saw the photos and i was sweating too but then the ac kicked on like right where I was dancing. Like I have, oh, and it's happening right now. It also happens when I get nervous.

But like all the pictures of me from this one area of the wedding where like I'm drenched in sweat, but like I have the shirt, I have a vest and then a jacket. And like, you could see a little outline of like my left nipple the whole night. It is what it is, but I'm just like very, I think the self-awareness thing, like circling back to that,

it's like could be that as well. But what do you do to try to get out of your head so that you're not? Girls like funny guys. That's what I say to myself. It's like your nipples can be anywhere. They could be on my stomach and I just have to crack a joke and it'll be fine.

Okay. My eyes are up here. Yeah. Anything else you want your audience to know about you? I want this to be like people listen and discover things. Can you say something that will make

a viral TikTok? That would be ideal. We could just do it right now. I was listening to Amelie's episode with you the other day and I keep hearing this thing that's like comparison

is the thief of joy. Bullshit. Compare yourself to someone who sucks. That is so joyous. That is so joyous. I'm overjoyed by the fact of comparing myself to someone that on paper might be a loser.

Who do you- That was rude. Who's your go-to to compare yourself to to make yourself feel better? It must be a public figure on TikTok. I can't think of a specific example. And also, I think we always compare ourselves upwards. Like Bryce Hall.

Do you compare yourself to him? I like Bryce. Bryce is a friend of mine. So not Bryce? So not Bryce, no. Sure, someone that makes an idiot out of themselves on the internet, sure. But they still have, if I'm thinking,

if my goal is to be a comedian, you compare yourself to people that are funnier than you or on paper funnier than you, that shuts you down or shuts me down. But if I compare myself to someone who is, no, damn it. I don't know. I don't know.

We're all in good spots when you compare downwards. That's what I'm saying. So I'll compare upwards, compare downwards and you're like, oh my God, I'm doing so much better than that person I went to high school with, for example. I'm not in a multi-level marketing scheme. As a young comedian and we not in a multi-level marketing scheme. As a young comedian, and we're in a culture or climate,

cancel culture is something that's talked about. Cancel culture and comedy is something that overlaps. Is that something you put a lot of thought into? Are you Gen Z? Cusp. Cusp. Yeah. like what are your thoughts as a young comedian uh do you try to have edgy comedy or are you conscientious conscientious about not punching down as they say like where do you think or do you think comedy still has a place to challenge the status quo?

I find that to be a challenge. It's an interesting time we're in. I think we're almost approaching a bit of a renaissance where it's like, you look at these legendary comedians and like someone finds, and they're all dying off now, sadly, but it's like they had all this stuff and like once they get in the news,

it's like someone finds something wrong with it. Someone finds something wrong with every joke I make. And it's like, I think I compared the other day when I was in Bali, I went to jail because we got stopped at a routine traffic stop. Was that a true story you went to jail? I saw that. Did you hear this?

Okay. Well, I saw your TikTok. Yeah, no, totally true. And like, I didn't think twice about it. Like, thank you so much. Belly laugh? Nah. Well, I saw your TikTok. Yeah, no, totally true. I liked the $7 coffee joke. I didn't think twice about it. Thank you so much. Belly laugh? No. Okay.

I'll live. That was good. Thanks. What I was was envious. Of going to jail? No, I was like, that's a good joke. I have been to jail several times, if you want to hear. And it's a little offline.

Well, basically, nothing bad, nothing serious, just college. But basically we're in Indonesia. We were at the beach. My wallet gets stolen at the beach. We're going home and we get stopped at this like traffic stop. And it's like a known fact that they do this in Indonesia to make some money, just like any other country. If you're on vacation, people take advantage of tourists. And I was the only one without an ID because my wallet got stolen and so

they had to like basically detain me and they weren't like speaking English to me so the whole time I'm like what do I how do I do this like they have my friends are out front my phone doesn't work obviously and they were like oh just like give us cash and you can leave and like it wasn't like and people were coming at me like like like privilege whatever and I was like there's no like I wasn't doing anything irresponsible like it was just like anyone would could leave that place and I was like oh like I'm just making a joke like it's not that serious you either have have to not care or not do comedy. Did you pay the $7? Was it actually only $7? It was $7.

That's 100,000 rupiah. They were saying 100,000 to me. I'm sobbing. I don't have $100,000. I don't even know how to get $100,000 at this point. I've never seen $100,000. I'm like, I don't know. And they were like, finally,

they showed me the bill. I'm like, oh, yeah, totally. I gave it to them. They're like, go ahead. So that was that. But I got big time. I didn't get canceled on TikTok weirdly. I got canceled on Betches. They reposted it on Instagram. Betches, yeah.

I got in trouble on Betches. Death threats. My first couple death threats I've ever gotten. Oh, yeah. Big time. Why has Betches got to reposted it on Instagram. Betches, yeah. Yeah, I got in trouble on Betches. Death threats. My first couple death threats I've ever gotten. You got death threats from that? Yeah, big time. Why has Betches got to do that to you? Well, they were, I'm like friends with the Betches team too. They were really nice about it. I was like, hey, like I can deal with it. No big deal.

But like, if you look at the comments, pretty brutal. Like it's not a good look for either of us. So if you want to like slap that sucker in the archives, that might benefit. They took it down. They took it down. I don't even know if that's a good story. good luck for either of us. So if you want to like slap that sucker in the archives that might benefit. They took it down. They took it down. I don't even know if that's a good story.

I feel like people might get upset about it. I mean, you can't. No, I can't say that either. I mean, Betches will routinely

post stuff about, I haven't thought to DM them and ask them to take anything down. I just kind of take my beatings. Yeah, that was my first,

I do my best not to upset any, anybody, but it happens. Yeah. Yeah, that was my first. I do my best not to upset anybody, but it happens. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, you're in comedy. I know it has to happen. But I wonder, yeah, I mean, I am like at some point

it's like we want to, obviously we want to be empathetic and sensitive to everyone, but we're the art of the joke. You got to make some, yeah. That's what I'm saying. I think a lot of people now are like... Looking for something to have an issue with.

They're going to get mad about everything. And then there's a lot of people that are like, listen, I'm not going to walk on eggshells to make this joke. It's funny. There's a reason why certain things exist and there's certain things that are funny. You got a death threat because you said you were going to not. You should kill yourself

kind of stuff. No, I'm going to find you and kill you. For buying a $7 cup of coffee. Yeah, they actually went to my mom's Instagram account too and were like commenting on all. And I was like, mom, make your account private. Was it the $7 cup of coffee that bothered them? It was

me going into another country and like, because I didn't disclose why I got arrested. I didn't say like, my wallet got stolen and then we got stopped at a traffic stop. It was just like, oh, like the guy goes over to a third world country. I don't even know if it's a third world. Like a different country and like caught makes a big scene

like inconveniencing the locals and then goes to jail like using their police force for irresponsible activity. I was like, no, my wallet got stolen. It wasn't me that was supposed to be in jail. Someone stole my wallet. But we made it out.

I got an equal number of people that were like, that joke was funny. Don't listen to... I laughed. Thank you. I hope that's okay. I didn't feel like you were trying to offend anyone. No.

I hope that's okay to say. But it didn't stop like you were trying to offend anyone. No, no. I don't feel like you did. I would do my best. I hope that's okay to say. Yeah. I also didn't stop you from still wanting to be a comedian. No, of course not. I also made a joke about, um, there was an article that came out in like a year, almost a year ago now that was like weed marijuana might be, um, a good preventative technique for, uh, COVID. And I read the article and I was like, guys, if weed does this, imagine what a little

bit of crack could do. Fully in trouble for that. I wouldn't have had the guts to tell that joke. Well, everybody saw it. It did really well. But yeah, that got taken down. By TikTok?

Naturally. I had a spoon and a lighter in the video It did really well. But yeah, that got taken down. By TikTok? Mm-hmm. Naturally. I had like a spoon and a lighter in the video and one thing led to another and I don't even know how to do that. I did a THC TikTok and it was quickly taken down. Yeah.

Which is disappointing because it was thriving for the first 15 minutes. Yeah, 15 minutes. 15 minutes of fan, that'll do it. Yeah, I think mine was up for like six hours or something and it had like a great amount of views. I was stoked and then it was just cool.

Who are some of your comedy heroes? Larry David, number one. Trying to think of other people off the top of my head. Norm Macdonald, rest in peace. Will Ferrell, Tina Fey, Amy Poehler. Obviously, I'm trying to think of, I like Chelsea Handler a lot. I don't know, all over the place.

Yeah. Yeah. I probably miss like a bunch of really solid ones. Those are your heroes. Yeah, you're right. Fine. You're right. I didn't say every hero.

Oh, and then like the OG, I mean the OGs right now on like Kate McKinnon, SNL crew. So funny. Fibula, Connor, this has been a pleasure. So fun.

Thank you so much for having me. How do you feel about it? I feel excited. Okay. Like, I think we really got into our groove.

Yeah. Yeah. We're going to play a game before we let you go. Oh, sick. Okay. But I just want to thank you up until this Yeah. Yeah. We're going to play a game before we let you go. Oh, sick. Okay. But I just want to thank you up until this point. Thank you so much for having me.

It's called Do You Know Me? Okay. Real simple. I'm going to ask you a series of questions, and you're going to give us answers to if you've done something. You'll get it. Okay. You'll catch on.

Yes or no answers. Simple answers are acceptable. Anecdotal stories are welcomed. Remind me what anecdotal means. Like there's a story behind your answer. Like, well, I'm going to add that to my word list. Do you know me with fibula? Let's go.

Does fibula own a pair of cowboy boots? It's from Texas. Three. Three pairs. And like an Texas. Three. Three pairs. And like an anecdotal story would be like, I had to go. Tell me about like one of the pairs. Do you want,

I don't know which one of these is going to be anecdotal. Now that I know. Well, any of them really. I'm going to be saying anecdotal all day, by the way. I'm going to slip that into every like thing I say. I just had, we had to wear boots. We had to for like football games. Like when you go to football games in Texas, we had to wear boots. We had to, for like football games. Like when you go to football games in Texas,

you wear a button up. Yeah. So you have, you have to own a pair of boots. You have to own several pair of boots. You have your nice boots for like formals. Did you wear cowboy boots to like your homecoming in high school?

Or did you wear dress shoes? No, I would wear them to Cotillion. What's that? For the girls. we call it Sadie Hawkins. Cotillion is like when, like they enter society enter society the white dresses it's a southern thing they become girls go to like manners school where they learn how to eat and not look hungry have you not seen she's the man

have natalie show you she's the man yeah yeah i think that's where they teach you how to eat while not looking like big gans. There was a country night and we always had to two-step. Has Fibula listened to a podcast this week? Yeah, I listened to yours. And I listened to several others. I listened to the Robin Hood Snacks podcast every day. What's that?

It's Robin Hood, the investment banking app. They have a really good trending reports podcast, 15 minutes every morning. Do you begin investing? No, I suck at it, but I enjoy, trends are good because you can hear startups that are getting a lot of money from VCs. It's interesting.

Has Fibula ever seen someone naked? Nope. In the last 24 hours? Have you seen someone naked in the last 24 hours? No. 24 hours. You didn't look in the mirror? Like since today? No. I don't want to see myself naked. Ew. No? No, not right now. I need to go. I need to work out. Has Fibula ever thrown up in public? Past 24 hours? Yes. Past 48 hours? Yes. You talk a lot about drinking on your TikTok. Yeah, it unfortunately became my

personal brand. I'm good at it. Drinking? Whatever. What's your drink of choice? I like Coors Light a lot. It's smooth. Dude, so good. What time is it? Are we going to be here after this? It's 5 o'clock somewhere. I like Coors Light a lot. If we're talking. Dude. Oh, so good. Like I have a, like what time is it?

Are we going to be here after this? It's five o'clock somewhere. It's five o'clock in somewhere. Does Fibula sleep with a top sheet? What's a top sheet? Guys have very different beds than girl beds. Like y'all have like thick cottony sheets. You have like one comforter and that's it.

I have like eight throw pillows. Single men have a blanket. This is where I set myself apart in a big way. You have pillows. I have six. I don't have any decorative pillows, but I have six sleeping pillows and it looks really good

because I do put them up. I make my bed every day. You make your bed every day? Every day. Firstly, like I get out of bed. I make my bed every day. You make your bed every day? Every day. I get out of bed, I make my bed before I even check my phone. I think you... Is that on your dating app? I know. I was like, that's husband material right there.

That's dating app bio material. Because first of all, it might sound like a joke. It creates a question. Yeah, it's a big conversation starter. And when they realize that you actually do it. I know. That's a win.

It's crazy. It's crazy. It takes 30 days to make a habit. I have six pillows and I don't even sleep with a pillow. I don't sleep on top of a pillow. I just put them like a bury myself in them. And I have a top sheet and I get my sheets from Costco. They're the best sheets, like high thread count.

They're not as good as Brooklyn. Sponsor of the podcast. Oh, this segment is brought to you by Brooklyn. Sleep cool. And then I have my blanket and then I have a duvet and then I have my weighted blanket on the side. That's good. Thanks.

To answer your question. You should put that all in your dating app. I would run out of characters so fast. You should just post a picture. Like one of the photos. You're made bad. That would probably... Just be like the only thing missing is you.

Sophia sent you a rose. It's just the picture of my bed. Did Fibula have a party for their last birthday? No. I don't like my birthday. Same. Did something happen? I'm uncomfortable celebrating myself. Me too. I feel like I'm supposed to do

something. I feel a sense of responsibility then. Yeah. No, I don't feel like I deserve it. It's like, why would I have a party? I didn't do anything. I'm just alive still somehow. Did Fibula go to religious school as a kid? No. Do you believe in God? Yes. Do you? I think so. I want

to. I do because there's, like I said, there's so many weird things that happen all the time. I'm like, someone is playing a prank on me and it gets the guy on your shirt and happen all the time. I'm like, someone is playing a prank on me, and I think it's the guy on your shirt, right in the middle. I want to believe sometimes humans ruin it for me.

We'll work on that together. Has Fibula ever lied on their resume? Dude, my whole resume is a lie, and I have a great resume. I think the biggest piece of advice I would offer anyone, especially like young people, post-grad, lie.

Lie and then figure it out. Bullshit and then learn the skill that you lied about. You think I knew what Excel, I can't even spell Excel, but I figured it out once I got a job. I'm like, cool, I need to learn Photoshop and Lightroom tonight before I go in for my first day. So lie about skills. Skills, what else would you lie about? Well, you could lie about anything on a resume.

I wouldn't necessarily recommend lying about education. Right. I think we are finally approaching a time and place where you don't really necessarily need to go to a really top tier, expensive university to be applicable for a good job. So I think like

you don't have to lie about education but I agree that's a bad idea. But your skills maybe. Big advocate. If you're a good people person someone would rather

hire the person that they have to hang out with eight hours a day five days a week than someone who's really good at the job that is miserable to be around. Has fibula ever been injured during sex? Yeah. I fell off my bed and I always have really high bed frames because I like to store stuff under my bed to save room in

my closet, my room. I fell off. It was like 28 inches, I think, from my mattress. Hurt my back. Whose fault was it? Mine. What'd she do? I laughed. I laughed as well. But it was a lot of pain. I actually went to physical therapy for that.

Said it was a soccer injury. Does Fibio believe in aliens? Yes, 100%. Are you okay with him being called? Demi Lovato says we shouldn't use that anymore. Yeah, we have to use ET. I had so many liquids during this thing. I'm excited to...

Has Fibia ever gotten stitches? Did you get stitches when you were in college? No, I should have. I really should have. But I didn't. I don't know. I feel like just a minor scar on your face would make you look a little edgier.

It's not like changing your face would make you a little edgier. Yeah. It's not like changing your face in any like significant way but it just lets people know that you're dangerous. Yeah. No,

it lets people know that I will mess up a rock with my face if I need to. Fibula Connor, Hubber, it's been a pleasure.

It has been a pleasure. Thanks for having me. Where can people find you? I'm at fibula, F-I-B-U-L-A on Instagram. And then just add an extra A for Twitter, TikTok, YouTube. Who has fibula on Instagram? Some account that, oh, I have it on Instagram. Who don't you have it on?

TikTok. TikTok. Who hasn't on TikTok? Some people that haven't used their account since the app. TikTok doesn't want to help you with that? Once you start talking to those reps, they are just like, we have such bigger fish to fry.

You can live with your name. Twitter was really nice about it. Twitter got me double A at least, which is fine. Well, congrats on all your success. Thanks. I look forward to on all your success. Thanks. I look forward to seeing your Netflix special. I am too.

Maybe Amazon or whatever platform. Peacock, maybe. Fingers crossed. And I look forward to seeing more of you out there. Ditto. Thanks for listening, guys. Always appreciate you tuning in. Don't forget to send in your questions

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