The Viall Files - E364 Bachelor Recap With Lisa Schwartz

Episode Date: January 4, 2022

Today we look forward to welcoming you back to the world of the Bachelor, kicking it off with another recap for the first episode of Clayton’s season. Our guest today is YouTuber and actress, Lisa Schwartz. First, we do a report card and ask how Clayton and Jesse are doing in their roles and how the show is doing in terms of letting us learn more about Clayton, besides just his love for puppies. We dive into the Sally situation, and judge how Clayton handles a hurt contestant that is not ready for the show and to love again. We select our picks for best intros, who we think will make it to the end, and which contestants are already being edited to look like villains. We talk about how we think Teddi, a virgin, will likely lose her virginity in the Fantasy Suite, how giving away a 100 year old photo to the Bachelor may be a bad idea, and how being a good person isn’t enough to be a good Bachelor. We can already tell this season is going to be fun but messy, so come join us in recapping the premiere!  “Being a good Bachelor has nothing to do with being a good human being”  Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes.  Check out our new "Introvert" merch at http://www.viallfiles.com today! THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: FitOn: Text FILES to 64-000 Helix Sleep: Helix is offering up to $200 off mattress orders and two free pillows when listeners go to http://www.HelixSleep.com/Viall Sun Basket: Go to http://www.SunBasket.com/Viall and enter promo code VIALL to get $90 off and a free gift with your order.    Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @lisaschwartz See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

you're crazy what's going on everybody welcome back to another another another bachelor recap but it's the bachelor this time and it's a new year new bachelor new bachelor season here we go i hope we're ready we got one week off was it a week did we just get one week off from the bachelor i think so one single week one single week it's a blessing and a curse for us absolutely uh but we are happy to be with you. I hope you guys all had a wonderful and safe and fun New Year's with those of you who loved or people you can't stand but tolerate. I think a lot of times you spend New Year's with people like that, but I digress. We have a great episode for you. The very wonderful and funny Lisa Swartz is with us. Oh, thank you. To help us break down episode one.

I've been meaning to have you on. We've talked about having you on for some time. You are possibly like an expert in all things Bachelor Nation. You certainly have cut your teeth and recapped and you are a seasoned veteran. I've been around the block. If nothing else, you're a seasoned veteran. I don't know if I'm honored or embarrassed or all of the above. Well, if you're embarrassed and that would, you're in the wrong room.

You are in it. You know what I mean? Like I'm just on the outskirts. Well, there's plenty of people on the outskirts who have made it their entire life. So I think you're fine. Thank you. Thank you, you. It's only just a sliver of all the things that you are. This season, dude. I was like, no, not this season,

Lisa. You should take off. Really, you should give yourself a break from this. And then you called to do this. And I was like, oh, damn it. The bat phone rang. I have to do it. Now I'm sucked in. Well, before we get to this episode, and I guess the hot goss of the early parts of 2022. Already, huh? Just some housekeeping notes. What a wonderful Ask Nick episode dropped yesterday, well, or tonight, or this morning. I don't know when you guys are listening to this episode. Be sure to check that out. We really kick off this new year with a bang. Again, if you find yourself to be in a struggling situationship or confused about your own choices in dating and life, just give us a shot.

I think you will find some comfort in knowing that you're not the only train wreck in this world when it comes to your love life. We all are. We have a fantastic episode with the wonderful, charming Francesca Farago on Wednesday. You probably know her from the very popular show

Too Hot to Handle. And let's find out if Francesca was, in fact, too hot to handle on this episode of The File Files. What a tease.

What a tease. She was great. She talked about being bi. She talked very openly, just like about her life. She was like a very honest, genuine guest. It was,

it was fascinating talking to her because it was just like, what does she think is better in her dating life when it comes to dating men and women? And she was, yeah. So I'd be interested. Yeah. Like I was like okay well

I'll just go fuck myself no it's gone literally because no I'm in I'm in I'm happy I'm in love and in a relationship you really look so happy thank you I'm so I'm proud of you I feel like you've had quite a journey yeah no I mean you did it I wasn't sure if you could do it but like I'm kidding and that's how I feel. I got married this year and I feel like my parents were like shocked. I'm 38. I'm an old bride.

Old lady bride. Not in LA. But you know what? We, you worked for it. I felt like you like worked on yourself. I did. Yeah. I'm proud of you.

Thank you. And your lady looks very lovely. Thank you, Lisa. She is more lovely on the inside. That looks very lovely. Thank you, Lisa. She is more lovely on the inside. That's very lovely. And smoking hot. She's smoking hot, dude. She's hot.

Good job. But just a better person. And her mom's name is Lisa. Oh, really? I've been trying to get her on The Bachelor Senior, which we had a plug for this episode. Is it happening? I think so.

I think Rob Mills is committed to making this happening. And I hope so. I think it will be actually quite entertaining television. I would love to see that. I don't know if Natalie... Well, first of all, Natalie's mom is in a relationship. So they're problem number one. Can you imagine if Natalie's mom goes on and all of a sudden it's the first Bachelor Senior

scandal? Like, she broke up with me to go on Bachelor Senior. People do it. She has a man waiting for her back home. Her boyfriend shows up on the season. It's like, we're what, what,

whatever part of the formula, man. Um, I, it's my understanding. She just, she's slightly too young for the cut. I believe they're looking for 65 and older.

Well, Holly was 63. The woman we saw today. So maybe, maybe they'll make an exception it's unclear um anyway do you guys have a nice new year's any any new year's eve like it was fine like any you don't if you don't have a story super fun for the first time I was with like three of my closest friends and we all went month by month and just like talked about

what we did in like January February and it was like a very fun little like year in review. I love that. You're like a friendship year in review with friends. Yeah. And we also like, if you have your like photos up, cause I was like, I don't know what I was doing in February. And then I looked through my iPhone and I was like, ah, that's what I was doing in February. Was anyone's like significantly more depressing than the rest. And then it got weird. You know what I mean? Like everyone's like, you know what?

This was my year. And then the one person was like, not my year. I do think it was like, there were, there was actually a lot of like, it was surprising how aligned we were. Like everybody had a really tough March.

I don't know why. And a really tough October. I don't, I feel like I had a great year. Honestly. I kind of did too feel like I had a great year, honestly. I kind of did too. Thrived. It's fantastic. It was awesome last year.

Oh, by the way, Allie is flying right now, which is why she's not recording with us. She is still an integral part of this show. Was she able to get on her flight? Great question. Honestly, flying a real bugaboo right now. Not great. Not great. I had a house of horrors on my flight back to LA. So we wish you well, Allie, in your trip back to LA. Well, let's finally... We start with the tea. Is there any tea? Yes. There is. Already. Yeah, of course we have some tea so fresh off of michelle's season we have her and nate celebrating new year's together and they were joined by joe there's a very cute and selfie of

them i saw that all hanging out together hot good for them i mean you you know it's one of those things you i have two thoughts when i see something like that it's like how nice we can all be friends of course that's the obvious thought. Sure. That's nice. The second thought is like, was it ever really real? Was it ever really real?

You know, Joe was my pick. Yeah. You know, and... What an attractive man. Oh, he's gorgeous. Oh my God. I wish he was The Bachelor. No?

I get why he's not. A little like... I'm way more invested in Joe's love story's love story I'd love to look at Joe I think I think that's really where I think if uh I think if what's her name who was supposed to get engaged walked into Joe's room I think she'd still be on the show interesting I don't know if Joe's necessarily you have to talk talk. I mean... Okay, fair enough. You really have to be able to hold conversations. Fair enough.

Joe is a man of few words. And I don't know if the role of the bachelor is right for... Just the most quiet season of all time. That's so handsome. I'm just going to sit here and let you look at me. But yeah, so it's like... It's one of those things. We all love a respectful

king who can like move on you know and be cool and it has been a few months but we watched it through the lens of joe just being devastated he was ready to get engaged to this woman and he she helped really kind of blossom him out of his shell. And three months later, it's just like, we're the three best friends that anyone could have. It's kind of like, I think now we have some clarity on that.

Joe never was really a consideration for Michelle and that's fine. But I think it's not, I don't think Brandon, Nate would be ready to do Michelle would be hanging out. Oh, I love Brandon. Corpse Eye anytime soon. Do you think that's like a product of the show and just like the adrenaline that comes with being on TV and doing all these amazing things? And like a lot of the hype gets mixed with the love, right?

Sure. Yeah. I think, and we've talked about this a lot. the love, right? Sure. Yeah. I think, and we've talked about this a lot. I mean, when it comes down to your final four, you have, I think more people who are more people in the final four are falling in love with the experience and the adrenaline and the atmosphere and very few people like the runner-ups like Brandon, for example, I truly. You got to meet him, right? I did. It was a wonderful interview. If you haven't listened to it, go, go check it out. But he was, I truly, he was truly in love.

He, whether he, you know, and he'll be fine, but he, he earnestly believed in his love. He felt real heartbreak and that doesn't happen every season. Yeah. And clearly I think it never, it didn't happen with you and that doesn't happen every season. Yeah. And clearly I think it didn't happen with Joe and that's fine. But I think seeing this so quickly offers some clarity on that. But all things being equal, I'm glad it happened.

And it seemed like Joe and Nate were friends throughout filming and it seems like they will be able to continue this friendship. My hope of Nate and Michelle, not that I'm rooting against them, of not working out and then joe and and michelle kind of like casually run into each other courtside i don't think that's gonna happen i don't think regardless of what happens with nate and michelle i don't know if

the joe and nate uh fairy tale ever really had a shot so now we know who's ready to feel amazing this year i know i am that's right how about you amanda i'm ready to feel amazing this year? I know I am. That's right. How about you, Amanda? I'm ready to feel amazing this year. Yeah. And how do I do that, Nick?

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Does that feel fast? Yeah. Yeah. Also, like, I mean, good for them because the classic bachelor response in these situations is, well, you know, we just got to know each other and we're just like learning and like also normal response. Yeah. And not that I'm not saying Michelle and Nate's are not normal. He's saying it. Like I'm judging.

Yeah. The typical response would be, you know, we don't, we haven't set a date yet. You know, we don't, we're just going to enjoy right now. And then like three years later, you're still like getting asked, have you set a date? And then they either do. Yeah.

And, and the fact that this summer, well, it's a summer wedding. So presumably this summer, but especially with like, that's a big difference. If they said,

or like now there's, I mean, I don't know when the world's going to end a big difference. If they said a summer wedding. Or like now. There's, I mean, I don't know when the world's going to end, but there's going to be plenty of summers. Sure. So I don't, it's like they might be teasing us. I think they might be taunting us. Okay, but just to play devil's advocate, when you know, you know, kind of thing.

Sure, if you, yeah, I don't know. And also Nate is- I'm trying. And Nate is moving to Minnesota so that's something that again is sort of he should do that if they're going to get married and good for him I mean like he's um but we we say that but that doesn't always happen like Blake was like I don't know I'm not going to San Diego. You already seem to have a boyfriend, Katie. Right. You know, so like, she was like, why should I move? When it seems like, ooh, I don't know. So it doesn't always happen. Okay.

Natalie and I had the same, when we flew home to Wisconsin, as we're boarding the plane and we're in the walkway, I said, and it was the next morning after AFR and I turned around and I said, and we were, we had a layover in Minneapolis. And I said to Natalie, I'm like, I want to be shocked if Michelle's parents were on our flight. And I get on the plane 10 seconds later, there they were.

Come on. See A and B and I said, hi, they said hi. Then, you know, and then afterwards we talked for like five minutes in Minneapolis when we landed and took a nice little selfie. They seem lovely. Lovely. I really liked them.

Yeah. I have to be honest. I did not watch the finale. I watched the whole season and then I was just like so tired from it that I just saw it on social media. You know, I don't know if you... Did I miss? Not really. I watched a recap.

You want to watch me genuinely be heartbroken, you know? That's the finale's gift for that. I think maybe that's why I didn't do it. You know, one thing we didn't end up covering was the $200,000 down payment gift that the show gave Michelle and Nate. How did that come about? My guess is,

I think they truly believe in Michelle wanting to stay her course with her life. You know, I think the show- That's so beautiful. The show's dream, you know, when it started was always like, we're going to let these people come on TV and find love and they're going to go live their life. And before social media on some level that happened, right?

And then social media hit and it's completely changed the game. And it is what it is now right and now you have and then you have michelle come in passionate about her uh educational career and teaching she's staying in minnesota there's no plans on moving already clayton clayton for all i'm just a small town guy i'm like all we know about clayton he's from a small town very small town and i see in your he's already he's moved he's he's moving a small town. Very small town. And I see in your, he's already, he's moved. He's moving to Arizona. To Arizona.

I mean, whatever. It's fine. It's not like it's Hollywood. I'm just saying like, this is someone who's like, oh, I got to be the bachelor. And like, he can move. I moved. Like, again, there's absolutely no judgment.

It's just that Michelle's like, no, no, no. I have my life. I have my plan. I have the thing I'm passionate about. I just want to love. This bachelorette thing is like just a small detour. I'm going to get back on track. And I think the show is just like, we love this. And instead of going, not that they have anything to do with Dancing with the Stars per se, but I think it's a reward for Nate being willing to move to Minneapolis and Michelle being dedicated on staying the course with her career in education, whatever that turns out to be. I'm kind of shocked. That's a really beautiful thing. I don't suspect you will be seeing that gift in the future. And I don't think it's a coincidence

that Michelle got it. I like that a lot. In addition to Clayton's move, he also posted an Instagram story where he has new roomie and there's a photo of him with a dog. So we don't know if this is maybe a friend. He loves puppies. We don't know if this is the dog's partner. Who's to say? But potentially a teaser. That's like all that's in his bio

is like, he's from a small town and he loves puppies. So where are you from? A small town. Oh God. Anyway, we'll get into that. Where are you from? A small town. Oh, God. It's all... Anyway, we'll get into that. What do you love?

Puppies. Puppies. And small... I'm just a small-town guy. I don't know. What do I know? Anything else? Anything else?

Yeah, just to finish up the tea, Hannah Brown's mom posted a photo on Christmas with Hannah, her brother, and her brother's new fiance, slash Jed's ex. Of course, shocking. Internet had some opinions. Someone commented saying people should only post genuine moments of happiness.

And there's no way this is happy for everyone. And Hannah's mom. Yeah, fuck that person. That's so mean. Come on. Like, go enjoy Christmas with your family. And Hannah Brown's mom said, because we are a family and family always comes first. So she stood her ground.

But that in a weird way, that response tells me, yeah, this is a miserable situation, but we're going to embrace it. Which is what we all do on the holidays. It's like it's family, you know? Like I... Gotta do what you gotta do. Post that picture.

All I want to know is, does Hannah still not follow her? Oh, she wasn't following her? No. Which is no small... Yeah, we gotta look that up. Yeah, we'll have to check in on that. Let us know, Amanda. Final piece of Bachelor tea is just Amanda Kloots and Michael A. got dinner as friends.

I'm having dinner with Michael this Friday, so I'll get all the tea from Michael. Oh boy, do I love that man. She's on the talk and Dancing with the Stars. Okay. Why was she on Dancing with the Stars? For being on the talk. Amazing. She'd be on the talk. I don't know. She's a talk show host. Okay. Yes. Okay. So not a bachelor, not a bachelor person. No. Okay. No, I knew that, but I knew she was a somebody. I was not, for all the Amanda Kloots fans out there, I apologize. I was not aware. They're going to come after you.

They are going to come after you. She was a former Rockette and had a background in Broadway. So I think she was on there, I think, as a dancer. Okay, great. I'll be sure to ask Michael this Friday at dinner. Is he the best? He is. He really is.

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that's f-i-l-e-s files to 64 000 f-i-l-e-s files to 64 000 all right let's get into the episode i want to ask you, Lisa and Amanda, what do we think of Jesse Palmer? I was asking Natalie as well when I was watching it. Hard for me not to be biased. I feel like when people like myself or Wells or Ben or Caitlin and Tayshia- Why not you guys?

Who all think, I could have done this. Yes. And maybe, you know, hard for me not to be biased. So what did you think of Jesse Palmer? My one note, I had to take notes because there's so many people in the first few episodes. I just wrote not Chris Harrison, but very, and Clayton is not Colton. I just had to make note of that because I found it confusing. You know what I mean? Those are great takes. That's my take.

And I think that was my frustration with the Jesse Palmer thing. And I'm not surprised. Cause again, the announcement of, of Jesse Palmer was like, Hey, Jesse Palmer's our host moving on. And even his intro on this episode was like, Hey, I'm Jesse Palmer. He's through the bachelor. I'm married moving on. Um, like what a weird, like, uh, I used to be the bachelor and'm married moving on um like what a weird like uh i used to be the bachelor and i'm happily married enough about me yeah and that was we didn't learn anything about him not that we necessarily need to he's small town guy with it just like i got married a week ago so like these women can't i'm not eligible i'm not an eligible but it's like a weird like it's a it's something that the show does like it's a it's a, it's something that the show does. Like it's a,

it's a legitimate fear that people all the way at the very top of this franchise franchise are worried about like, um, having like people that other, that contestants might deem attractive or desirable. Uh, there's this, like this fear because it is a social experiment. Sure. You don't want options. Sure. We can make anyone look desirable a la Clayton if there's no other person for them to fall in love with. Well, I always wondered about that last season because the girls are so lovely. And Tayshia, I feel like every time Tayshia walked in the room, one of the guys was like lighting up. It was a legitimate concern. And at times, I think it was, you know, I think something

they had to address. Do you know something you're not telling us? Yeah, sure. They were like, that's the tea. I think they struggled, yeah,

a little bit on Tayshia's first appearance as the host. And that was a concern of theirs. And, I mean, it was on KDC's

and Tayshha was literally the last bachelorette she's walking in yeah you know and uh and yeah and so uh

I think that's and also Jesse like it seemed like what Jesse was trying to do is just be Chris Harrison absolutely as opposed to like doing his own thing

but do you think that was a product of him or like that was a product of the show trying to tell him to do that he did a good job well I yeah I guess I think it's a product of the show telling him to do that but i also think that

he got the job because they weren't expecting him to do anything else i mean he's a football analyst yeah you know i always find it just weird it's just like why why why even you know offer the bullshit of like i'm here for your clayton you're not alone it's like yeah you are clayton you are in very like what, what is, I'm waiting. I mean, I would love, I can't wait till I say. You are alone. I can't, and I will say I'm wrong the moment Jesse Palmer like sits Clayton down

and offers him some like introspective advice at a critical moment in the season where Clayton's like, if it weren't for Jesse. Sure. Like, you know. I mean, they had the moment where he was like, it's my first time too, man. I haven't even been here before. I feel like I'm a little biased and like, did you test for it?

Did they test you guys? There were conversations. I don't, you know, I, I had, but like, I also did not expect or think it was, I was like, I was, that would have been fun conversations, but I think they were, yeah, Wells, you know, and I think Wells would have been fun....their conversations. I would have enjoyed that. Or Wells. Yeah, Wells, you know, and I think Wells would have put his own spin on it. Obviously, Caitlin and Tayshia. Like, you know, Caitlin, for example,

especially at AFR. Caitlin, you missed that. I saw some clips. She crushed that. She crushed that. She's hysterical. Caitlin has her own spin, right? So, like, that's what we...

With Jesse, there was no, like, oh, what is Jesse Palmer gonna bring it was just like it was like this guy is just gonna do his best version of what

Chris Harrison did he kinda sounded like Chris Harrison too in like the voiceovers I just had to like take a beat and be like wait who is that so yeah

it's interesting so Clayton's from a small town loves puppies loves puppies I don't know if we need to go through, like, all the intro packages. I don't know. Nothing. I do want to ask you a question.

Yeah. Do you think these women are so brave or crazy to go on the show now? Because I feel like when the show first started, any contestants, when the show first started, like you were saying, social media wasn't, like, such a thing. contestants. When the show first started, like you were saying, social media wasn't like such a thing. And now it's like, when you go in on the show, you know, social media is like looking for every little thing that you're going to say or do wrong. And like, you got to have some tough skin to make this choice. Or are you just totally oblivious? Like, do you know what I mean? I think it's all relative. I think the fear was always there. Like when I went on social media, it wasn't what it is now. But I think I I still

had those fears of like looking bad would you go on now uh I mean I guess that's hard for me to answer that genuinely I I would I'm I will say this when it comes to men on the franchise I I don't think everyone should do it I I think it depends on a certain kind of man. I think there is a smaller window of grace when it comes to men showing their emotions and frustrations on their show and how that can be portrayed and viewed because the show is always going to edit the show

to try to elicit a triggering response. Sure. And we're in a climate where we, and rightfully so, are identifying certain behaviors and patterns of toxic behavior. And I think with the internet being what it is, and everyone's like the psychologist who's now capable of identifying what a narcissist is or what gaslighting is or what love bombing is. It's true. And I think it's riskier nowadays for men. And I think it's not for everyone. I would tell a friend of mine to not be totally honest about their feelings if they were to go on.

I'm like, if you get angry or frustrated, hold it very careful about how you express that because you have no control about how that would be portrayed. If I, if I had a guy friend go on now. So I'm wondering like how many of these women are going to find love? How many are going on to get social media follows? I mean, well, that's, you know, we, we, know, we talk about this every season, but it's, they're all going for the followers now. And I don't fault them for that because there's no way, you can't be, all this talk about genuine, right? You can't be genuine and say that's not top of mind. Absolutely. But the show still presents that as an issue.

I don't know. It's just a show they use it as a tool to create villains. It is what it is. We just have to accept that. Especially when women go on before knowing who The Bachelor is. It's like there's kind of a clear incentive there of I want to be on this show no matter what.

Which is why they will take the opportunity to air something like a first impression Rose Teddy. When she's just like, I wasn't sure. And then I found out it was you. Like they find that one moment to say that, to like portray the genuineness of the women on this season, et cetera, et cetera. Before the episode and before the season, I guess even started, which I, we just, we need to break this down.

The young lady who was a girl. Sally? Is her name Sally? Let's look up Sally's bio here. Sweet baby Sally. Her chyron from the very beginning was previously engaged. Okay. They didn't even say what her job was.

They were like, this is what she's here to do. That makes sense now because like, she was on for the first 10 minutes and then, and then left. I remember when I was watching this episode, I remember seeing something like on Tik TOK about her. Like, I was like, Oh, I thought I saw something about someone who like left their fiance to come on the show, which I'm very cautious about. Like, is that really true? Or is that just a rumor? But I would be curious of like who left who. She said that there was a lack of trust towards the end of our engagement.

I mean, that could imply like, you know, if whatever was aired, I take, you know, like I want to know the real yeah i i'm sure it she it appeared that he maybe had some side thing going on and they were going to get married on the day of the first well it's no it sounds like they were the the day before she sat down with, yeah, the day before. The day, right. I guess. Five hours. I love how it was five hours before night one. Why did she come?

How did they make this happen? Why did she come? Great question. This scene told me a lot. Oh, break it down. Break it down. It told me a lot. I've been obviously highly critical of the casting

of Clayton. And again, once again, not Clayton the human being. I've heard nothing but nice things about him as the man. Seems very kind. Being a good bachelor has nothing to do with being a good human. I want to make that very clear. Say it loud. Say it proud.

You know, and so there's that. Who was your pick? Brandon? Brandon, Rodney. Oh, Rodney. Knowing that she picked Nate.

Yeah. Brandon or Rodney. Yeah. Why didn't, because again, I don't think Joe. Right. Right.

Yeah. So do you think they just needed to kick this off with some drama? So they brought in Sally EY. Yeah. I mean, I, well, I think they legitimately cast her and I think she legitimately, I don't like, just needed to kick this off with some drama so they brought in sally ey yeah i mean i well i think they legitimately cast her and i think she legitimately i don't like again this wasn't some

like staged person let's find someone who's gonna come and tell this story i think she legitimately showed up and legitimately panicked and i i believe that i believe that she and that would make sense like you're sitting you're you're sitting in a hotel room for three or four days you know doing like your tasks then you're sitting in a hotel room for three or four days, you know, doing like your tasks. And you're not your tasks, but like no producers. And, you know, you'll do a couple ITMs to kind of get warmed up. And you'll talk about like, what do you want to do night one? Like, do you want us to bring in like a camel or do you want to skydive?

Like, what do you want to do? Like, I'll just get out of the car. Maybe she could get out of a wedding dress. I'm sure they probably pitched that to her. Oh my God. Can you imagine? That would have been great. And I assume she legitimately panicked. And so she probably went to the producers and said, I can't fucking do this. And they were like, well, you should at least meet the guy. Right. And so she probably was like, okay, I'll, I'll meet the guy. So she meets him. Right. I mean, the guy so she meets him right I mean you know she starts crying

I'm like whatever I guess I I guess I get it like yeah it's traumatic she probably thought like I'm gonna get back in the game and then was like I don't want to be in the game so scared but what this scene told me it was that I like that you call it a scene, by the way. It's a scene. It is. It is, right? I don't know how it's a moment. I'm sorry, this moment. Very theatrical. Yeah, whatever you want to call it.

This moment. She knocks on the door, Clayton Antlins. He sits down. He's never, you know, she's a beautiful woman. This tells me that this is going to be a very entertaining season. It's going to be awesome. It's going to be sloppy. Very season. It's going to be awesome. It's going to be sloppy. Very sloppy.

A total hot mess. And that Clayton is in no way emotionally prepared to get engaged or be married in eight to nine months. Dude, no way. A woman walked in and sat down and said, hi, I'm Sally. Very maturely. I'm struggling here.

I know you are here to get engaged and married. I know like you, of all 31 people here, the only one who's kind of low-key expected to like get engaged is you, Mr. Bachelor. And we have a short window of time, like eight or nine weekends. And like, I'm going to tell you this story. I'm struggling.

I was supposed to get married yesterday. I've been thinking about like walking down the aisle at my first dance. Like she's clearly struggling. This woman is struggling in front of Clayton. And instead of Clayton being like, I mean, I'm really sorry. And it seems like maybe you're still, seems like you're still healing a little bit. And it would be a lot for anyone. It'd be a lot for anyone. All of us here are about to embark on what is going to be no doubt crazy.

And I truly hope this works out for me. And I need, if only I need everyone to be kind of like ready, you know, like healed and kind of ready to fall in love. It just doesn't seem, you seem great. I mean, I don't really know you, but like healed and kind of ready to, to fall in love. It just doesn't seem as you seem great. I mean, I don't really know you, but like you seem nice and maybe, I don't know, maybe like maybe it's, maybe you need to heal. He's like, no, he's begging her to stay. He's just like, I know you're an amazing person. I know you're genuine. Like based off what Clayton?

And then he gets, I already like what I'm seeing out of you I can tell you have a good heart and he said you're special this is after maybe two lines of back and forth but I mean like was he trying to just be like present himself as a nice guy and like didn't know how to do it or was he genuinely like this could work either way just the season's going to be a hot mess because like Clayton, he's Clayton. If everything I've heard and everything the they're telling us and truly like I've, you know, I've, I've heard, uh, the bachelor show tell us we have a genuine lead. And then I've heard producers behind the scenes being like, they fucking suck.

But I've heard nothing but great things about Clayton at the the human being he's a seems like a really good guy but again like being a good guy does not mean you're like ready like michelle again what do we what do we see out of michelle and an absolutely dynamite like emotionally intelligent woman who on every conversation he had like we all learned from michelle as she handled every situation with a thoughtful and empathetic response. And if there was criticism towards her season, it was like, God, that's like a little, it's a little too mature for me and like, like boring, you know? So we're, we, we're not going to learn. This is going to be exact. This is going to be a season of what not to do in an emotionally charged situation, but it's going to be exact opposite. This is going to be a season of what not to do. Absolutely. Like in an emotionally charged situation.

Yes. But it's going to be such a train wreck and totally fun. Oh yeah. To watch because like who in their right mind should be begging someone who's clearly said, I'm not ready to get engaged to someone new in eight weeks. And Clayton's like, please stay. And I can only presume when he's like, I know you're a good person. And again, I've like, it's, it's a, you have a little to go on. So he's clearly making

this decision based off of like, you know, I don't know, looks. Yeah. Don't worry. There's 12 other girls that look exactly like her about to come in. I know you're a good person. Please stay. He goes, oh, for one. Well, sweet baby Clayton, at the end of last season when he left, he was just like, I don't know who I am. Like, his whole, right? Wasn't that his whole thing is like, I'm still trying to kind of figure out who I am, which there's nothing wrong with that. I feel like

that's what life is and you're trying to figure that out. But like, I feel like you should figure that out before you try to find a partner. Yeah, I mean, listen, the show loves this is, I mean, this is their show loves, this is, I mean, this is their wheelhouse, right? Is that why they chose him? They're like back in the...

Small town guy. Love puppies. You know, simple, whatever. And truly, they love a guy who's emotionally immature. And what we're seeing is

just that. I mean, because it's an insane response. It is an insane. You are correct. Okay. To push back and say the other side of things. He did say, I was someone who I had a relationship that ended and I closed off.

And I hope that doesn't happen to you. But this was five days ago. So you know what? You should be ready in eight weeks. Exactly. Listen, I agree that I do not think Sally would necessarily be ready for an engagement in eight weeks. But I do think Clayton is someone who is so focused on whoever he's with. I think he's such a present person.

I think he's very empathetic. And so I think in the moment, he just wants to make things better. And I think that can probably lead him into trouble. Oh, again, I'm not saying he's a bad guy. I'm saying he's nice. He's probably the friend you want. And yes, empathetic. And she made him, he made her feel good. These are all, that's not what I'm saying.

And this will all be why it'll be a great season. Because he means so well. And he's like, he, you know, like he wants everyone to feel happy, but even like he's going to focus on short-term happiness and sacrifice long-term happiness. My man! Which will make great TV. Yeah, totally.

I'm in, dude. I'm sucked in. And so, yeah. I mean, also, Sally was just like, I'm crying like, before I go, I want to meet the bachelor. And oh, by the way, you're cute. She did mention that he's, he's so attractive, but like, was she always going to leave or does a different bachelor make her stay? Was she just like, like, what have a Michael been like, because he was so emotionally tapped

in and like aware and been like, you know, I really see you. I hear you. I think Michael would. I hear you. I think Michael would have sent her home. Because he would have known there was no way she'd be ready. Yeah. But like, let's say, you know, again, like Clayton, an attractive guy. But let's say, you know, I don't know.

I don't know who it could be. But like, do you believe that Sally was already going home or was she hoping to be convinced? You know what? I think she was going home because she took a beat when the rose came out and called what, like her mom or something to be like, he offered me a rose. Like, holy shit, should I do this? A rose? I was ready to go home, but now that I have a rose. I'm all better now. I'm healed. No, I think she was going home. I think your point was well taken that she was like sitting in her hotel room, thought it was a good idea. And then it all kind of set in.

Oh, Sally though. I think maybe she hoped against her better judgment that this would be her big redemptive arc, that she would go from heartbreak to an engagement. But then the second she was actually there, she was like, I want to be with my family. This is so hard. Which, you know, good for her.

If that's what happened. Good for her. What an actual human normal response. Totally. I don't fault her for having an engagement. Regardless if she ended it

or he ended it, it doesn't matter. Engagements end and then given this opportunity to go on, fuck it. What a great rebound opportunity for what I assume.

The ultimate rebound. Yeah, the ultimate rebound opportunity and then realize I can't do this. This is insane. Yeah, maybe she'll be back for like Paradise. I mean, I'm rebound opportunity and then realize, I can't do this. This is insane. Maybe she'll be back for like Paradise.

I mean, I'm watching it and being like, fuck, I hope they bring her back like week two or three. And I'm sure they will try. I'm sure they will be like, are you sure?

Are you sure? You know, Clayton can't stop thinking about you. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I really don't think she will come back. But Paradise, absolutely.

You know, it's like I've healed now. I'm like actually ready. I mean, she checks a lot of Bachelor boxes in terms of like, and she seemed like great TV. Yeah, cute. I mean, got emotional, started crying right away. They're keeping her number.

They're not throwing it out. Yes. Yes. Okay. We'll be seeing you, Sally. I was bummed that she went home. You were. From a TV standpoint, she definitely made the right decision for herself as a human. But for us. For us, it was kind of selfish, Sally. Rude, Sally.

We wanted to see you break down more, Sally. All right. Any of the packages that we get to see, do you have any favorites? Can we talk about Teddy? We can. Is it time to talk about Teddy? Yeah, please.

I love, I think I love Teddy. Big fan of Teddy. I really think I love her. Very confident. I'm almost intimidated by her. She's like one of those, like, just comes in strong and is confident. And I think that's why he loved her off the bat. There is a... I'm worried, like, is that gonna... Sometimes in this franchise, if you're too, if you come in confident, which I think you should always be, but in this franchise, it sometimes turns on you. The first impression rose on The Bachelorette is a great signal that you're going to win. Yeah. Not so much on The Bachelor.

Is that right? Has there been a first impression rose winner on The Bachelor? I mean, in the previews, it appears she goes very far what will happen is and we got a virgin if if uh she definitely has a target on her back for sure but like depending how much clayton likes her she'll get some protection they'll like they'll you know what i'm saying like if clayton like week four is just like guys I'm just not really not in like Teddy I don't know I thought I was into her not so much like they'll open like they'll let the wolves in got it and see what happens totally totally if Clayton's like I really like her I really like her they will make you know they will make sure she doesn't sit too

vulnerable like she doesn't got it she's not out in the wild and open ready to be pounced by totally and it looks like they have some other scapegoats for that for sure yeah yeah so that but are you like what else about teddy well she's super confident and then she said that she made this decision when she was young that she was going to wait until marriage yep which we love we have a virgin but then she was like but i think maybe i made that decision a little bit too soon so like i'm just gonna wait till i'm in love which i also love so no i think what you have the right to make like to change your mind and i kind of love that i the producers set themselves up about air i mean i gotta assume she's top three for sure she must if they don't bring her to the

fantasy i don't care dude hates her by like week two if must. If they don't bring her to the fantasy, I don't care if Clayton hates her. By like week two, if he's like, I can't stand her. They're like, sorry, she is willing to go to the fantasy suite and she's a version. And I'm unaware of any like self-identified version who usually the, you know, like you, we had Ashley, I, right? Ashley, I had this potential. Now, Ashley, I didn't say this and I want to ask Ashley. I think I'm gonna ask her today when I get a chance to talk to her it's it's like hindsight's 2020 you don't really know but like because my Ashley was a virgin what we seem like to be like with Teddy it wasn't like religion or whatever it was like I I wanted it to be special and then like I I just wanted to be special yes and and Ashley I being someone who likes to fantasize

about special things all the time, it became like a 40-year-old virgin type of like, it's not special enough. It's not special enough, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. It seems like that's what Teddy's is. It's not like necessarily religion or whatever. It's like, I told myself I was going to like, it was going to be a special moment

and I haven't found that special moment. But I don't know. I don't know. Fantasy suite, that seems pretty special. Seems pretty darn special. And I don't know i don't know fantasy suite that seems pretty special seems pretty darn i wonder if ashley had you know her and chris connected and she went further oh yeah i feel like actually if she if she liked chris i don't know if she really fell for chris whatever but if she was falling in love i think ashley would have like I think Ashley would have like,

totally, totally, or literally. Um, and that will be like, I'm in like, I, I'm into,

I cannot, she also like straight up told her mom, she's like, I'm doing it. I'm doing it. No, no, no. And then we,

and like the big, the big, the big storyline, this is the jumping the fence moment is like, Hey, I had sex with both of you. I don't, you know?

Yeah. And I know the, the, the, the, the, the season the, the, the season tree, the teaser makes it,

you know, they're very good at editing that. They made it seem like it was not Teddy. They made it seem like Teddy was not part of that, but I don't think you can really. No, they edited it. They're very,

very good. It, they're not doing their job. If Teddy does, doesn't lose her virginity in the fantasy suite, only to find out a day later, he had sex with someone else. The very thing that she waited her whole life

to make it special. Nick, of course, dude. Right. Totally. Yeah. And I have friends there. And if you're listening, do your job.

Do your job for us. We need this. To quote Bill Belichick. Yeah. Do your job. Do your job for us. We need this. To quote Bill Belichick. Yeah. Do your job. Oh my God. That Teddy has an opportunity to follow through. Yeah.

Oh, sorry. I was just going to say, quick update on First Impression Rose. The two Bachelor First Impression Rose recipients who ended up winning are Hannah Ann from Peter's season and Catherine from Sean's season. Hannah Ann got the first impression. I forgot about that. Oh, Anne got the first impression. I was like, I forgot about that.

Oh, yeah. Good to know. Yeah. Oh my God, that's so funny. That will be amazing. Yeah. She seems rad and obviously he's like so into her. Oh, yeah.

Like there's just no denying that. Right off the bat entrance. I mean, and she does seem, I mean, she's, I mean, you know, you have all beautiful women. How old is she? I don't know. Teddy. Cute name. There's a natural beauty to teddy that seems to pop yeah um teddy is 24 okay 24 how old clayton 27 27 20 and teddy does have a very like i mean this sounds mature but like she does i mean you know you have 30 women coming out there like you said there's a

level of you know uh self-confidence like a genuine confidence she's connecting for yeah real not like a i want to try to be confident yeah this is like she you can tell she believes in herself yeah and i like that now yeah in that world you can easily she could be a villain totally 100 i don't think she will be easily she could be a villain. Totally. I don't think she will be. I was like, she could, that's exactly what I read. I was like, could she?

It's all up to Clayton. Yeah, that's true. You know. I'm a little intimidated by her. I feel like. Like she got herself, if, what would she have to do

to not make it, if she, again, assuming she wants to, assuming she accepts the fancy sweet key from jesse palmer um if she wants to go what would she have to do for clayton for the producers to be like no sorry like and again obviously when it comes to the final three that is that it's clayton's choice it really it really is when it comes down to that, but he's clearly into her. So, and a first impression goes a long way. And, and I don't get any sign from Teddy that she

is hard to talk to because, you know, being the bachelor, uh, the things that will like really things that will turn you off quickly are being serious. Like now is a mute. And as I'm like, not saying anything, body odor and bad breath. Oh, wow.

That's it. Okay. Is that happening a lot on the show? Smell. I guess you're like up all night and stuff too. It's like, it's, it's,

it's sometimes not, you know, bad white wine breath over fermenting in your mouth for like eight hours, you know, like stuff like that. It doesn't happen all that often, but it'll like, it'll be like, oh geez. And again, I'm kidding when I'm like, you know, you have 30 people and you're like, you know, if someone's in your top six, you're like, I can't anymore. Like I can't kiss this person anymore. Or, you know, but more seriously than not talking because the bachelor has to talk so much and have all these conversations. And so when you sit down with someone who's like, I have something to say, I have something to ask you. It's such a relief and it can be really hard. Did you like, that makes total sense to me. I mean, I feel like it's such a relief. And it can be really hard. Did you like, that makes total sense to me.

I mean, I feel like it's such an exhausting task for the bachelor or bachelorette. Do you like when, did you like when a contestant would be like, how are you doing? Like, they don't air that very much, but once in a while they'll show up where they're genuinely like, this is like an overwhelming process. How are you doing? Yes. To like actually break into the, break the wall down a little. Or just like a question about me. Yeah. How are you doing? Yes. To like actually break into the, break the wall down a little. Or just like a question about me. Yeah.

How are you doing? You know, I want to get to know you or, or just coming in with something to say. Because a lot of it is, and I get it. Why? You're nervous. It's there. If, if, if you are hoping the bachelor is going to drive and lead every conversation, like it's just going to, you're going to have a hard time connecting with them because you're going

to be sitting down with someone who's like experiencing brain fog and, and tired. And also that's just not how humans are. That's not how you're supposed to date. Like it's supposed to be. Sure. But like it's, there's a power,

there's obviously an unequal power dynamic in that environment. And Teddy comes across as someone who won't be intimidated by that power dynamic and will drive conversations. And I just don't see a version of how she, a combination of Clayton's clear, immediate attraction to her, her, what seems to be clear,

like not intimidated by the environment. And the fact that she is a version already stating her willingness to go to the fantasy the fact that she is a version already stating her willingness to go to the fantasy suite how she is not guaranteed to get there a key like they should just give her the key or next bachelorette already sure certainly yeah yeah yeah but i i think the only scenario would be if clayton really mismanaged it like the way matt james dave abigail the first impression rose and then did nothing to kind of further their relationship throughout the season.

Good point. For granted. If Clayton got distracted by someone else in front of him in the moment. I don't blame Matt for that. I blame Abigail. And I don't mean Abigail as a person, but like Abigail has shown us

that she is more shy, but I don't necessarily blame Matt James. I just think there was a lack of chemistry night one. I think he, you know, for whatever reason, liked her night one. And I just don't see Abigail shy, you know, like I just, you can't be shy in this scenario really. Right. Teddy does not seem shy. No, she does not at all. I wonder how the other girls are going to like Teddy. That's going to be like the other factor too, right? Because if for some reason they all become very jealous of her or she doesn't communicate well with them, then we might

have an issue. Well, the good news for us is that the winner only has to be so likable. They don't need to be the most popular in the house. That is true. That is true. So the winner is allowed to experience some sort of drama and cattiness. That's right. A la like Nikki on Juan Pablo sees Nikki and Claire. Like, you know, they only get so much protection. But yes, you know. But I mean. A virgin is always makes for a good bachelorette for sure.

Yeah, and she's so cute and fun. That also would be good. Like the bachelorette loses her virginity on the bachelor. Doesn't get picked because like he also had sex with me great storyline i mean teddy's teddy is in pole position teddy is gold yeah for this franchise it's it's yours to lose teddy yeah teddy our money's on you teddy who else stood out in the packages or just like the night one and any favorite limo entrances? Well, I had a question.

I saw a lot of like things that happened last season also. Remember the fire truck situation? Somebody came in in a small fire truck and it was the same exact thing. I mean, they've been doing this for like 30 seasons. But couldn't they switch it up a little bit? It was literally mirroring the same exact entrance. Big truck, little truck. Yeah. Did it little bit? It was literally mirroring the same exact entrance. Big truck, little truck.

Yeah. Did it bother you? I was like, geez. If someone came out with the inside of like a head, what would you do? Or they lifted up the... Does a lack of creativity sometimes bother me? Yes. But like they know what works

and maybe they don't have to think too hard because they're spending most of their energy trying to be like, how do we figure out how to get a virgin to lose their virginity? As long as all the energy is focused on that, then big truck, little truck it is.

Come on, it was like the exact same thing. And it was also Sinead who's like an obvious villain for the season. So they're kind of doing some quick exposition, letting you know right then and there this girl's trouble. Which one is Shanae? Is she the one who went home? No, she's the one that She was the big truck.

She's the one that they're like setting up to be the villain and in the previews it appears that she has a friends with benefits or something. They're alluding to like

she still like has a friends with benefits when she came on the show. Sure. And Shanae I think throws the trophy in some of the super teasers. Ooh. She's very pretty that Shanae. when she came on the show. And Sinead, I think throws the trophy in some of the super teasers.

Ooh, she's very pretty. That Sinead. She, then she had the first package. Wasn't she? Oh, the also also from a small town.

Um, yeah, she would, she did have the first package. She was, she's from the town of 800. Yeah. Oh, just to like pile on the,

uh, again, you're an, I know you're a great guy. Clayton, uh, would, if, if, if know you're a great guy, Clayton. If random kids wrote you a letter,

like, do I have, am I a heartless man? Because I'm like, I got to get married now. Because I'm like, I would read it and go, oh, that's cute. But would I like. Need to have kids? Have a breakdown? And also like, do we believe, as much as we keep hearing how genuine he is,

and I'm sure overall he's a great guy, but like there seems to be an attempt at some acting when it comes to Clayton because I... And a lot of directing. I think it's a combo. Yeah. Where they're like, we gotta make this feel more... Also like when the women were about to to drive up any any it's like viking clayton's back literally let's go it doesn't get what it's not a football game

yeah i know it's uh i he's he clayton's constantly looks like he's in a constant state of like grinding his well he's got he's got some good teeth yeah it's all teeth he's always gnarling it's always he's like the the teeth emoji we're all just doing it now i will say though, even though I very much disagree with the casting of Clayton, now that he is the bachelor, I like him.

I think he's very endearing and I get the yell thing is a lot, but like, I think he's a sweetie. I think, of course he is a sweetie. I think he's a real, real sweetie.

I think the show is like not about him anymore. It's just about the girls. No, it's not. That's the thing. And he's, he started off night one, oh for two.

Yeah. Sally broke up with him. Yeah. And then who else broke up with him? Oh, the spray tanner. The spray tanner left. The spray tanner Claire. Yeah. It's a bold move. We know her tan's not real. Can we talk

about her? Yeah, I loved her. You loved her? Well, listen, I loved her for the role. I mean, I'm curious what the internet's going to say because it's episode one and we've all been hard on the casting of Clayton. A lot of people weren't necessarily fans of the pic. And so I'm curious if the internet's going to be like, yeah, Claire's speaking for all of us. Kind of like I met him. I saw him. Don't like him. Good to go. Well, here's what I liked about it. Because there's an authenticity there.

Do you really think that though? Like she genuinely, sorry to cut you off, but like she genuinely wasn't interested in him or she like quickly understood that he wasn't interested in her and then got defensive and was like, I'm out. It's possible. But like it's, I don't think like, all it can go on is my experience uh on on Andy's season I got a little and blacked out and I was just like I don't know I'm going home and and and then I

spent four hours of her not talking to me and then granted she did talk to him but like they she had this whole thing in this game and and whatever we hear thing we hear about Clayton and I agree with you Amanda is that he's good at making people feel like seen and and and and whatever we hear thing we hear about Clayton and I agree with you Amanda is that he's good at making people feel like seen and and and and present yeah and you know like Annie like I didn't think Annie was into me and then she gave me the first impression rose it's like night one's crazy oh you got the first impression rose yeah good for you um and night one's crazy. And so do I think that, I mean, maybe she thought that, but yeah, I don't know. Either way, what I liked it is that like,

is someone, you know, every season, and even my season, it's just like, ah, Nick's the greatest. And now all the women show up and like, oh my God, it's amazing. To have one person be like, meh. And then one person's like, I don't know. There's definitely someone from my season. Totally. oh my God, it's amazing. To have one person be like, meh. And then one person's like, I don't know. Not so much.

But there's definitely someone from my season. Totally. Who was like, not my guy, you know? And decided to just like, lie. Yeah. And she was like, no, I'm good. All right. I mean, I didn't see it like that,

but I like appreciate that point of view. And if that is the case, then that's awesome. I just felt like she was like super like, she like the and she might be very kind and again like these are all just opinions based off two seconds of tv that's been edited so um but I felt like she was like poking him a lot like she was like the kid in kindergarten that would push you to tell you that she liked you do you know what I mean she sounds like she definitely could be like emotionally abusive like yeah like um but I did love her and she handled to the adversity very poorly You know what I mean? She sounds like she definitely could be like emotionally abusive. She's like, why are you stressing me out? Like, yeah. But I did love her response.

And she handled the adversity very poorly. I think because I feel like that was the real turning point was when, because at the, you know, the entrance was good, the cornhole, whatever. And then when a girl interrupted her, it felt like that was the turning point was when she stopped feeling special. Then she started shit talking him a ton. I mean, whatever the reason, I just, it was. You loved her. I thought it was the reason I just, it was, you loved her.

I thought it was a refreshing like moment for night one. I don't, I don't remember seeing that recently where someone's night one where you really don't like none of these women feel validated night one. Sure. And for her to be like, ah, nah,

out. Fuck this guy. You know, it's a bold move. And, uh, we didn't hear, I don't know why they edited that out, but he, but he said something to her and then they aired her saying, I would love nothing more. And clearly he's like, I think I should walk you out. That did happen kind of fast. I would love nothing more. All right. That was kind of badass. All right.

You've changed my opinion. Let's go get spray tans for her. Yeah. I mean, yeah. If you're going to, she wasn't going anywhere and she may have had a memorable moment. So I say good for her. Were there any other standouts? I guess the best way to go about this is like- How about the sit on my face? I want to sit on your face, girl. I don't remember her. Okay. Her name's Gabby.

I wrote, is she drunk? I see a picture of her. She's like the funny cheerleader. And she came in with a pillow. The one who allegedly dated Dean and Blake. Yes, dude. I was going to ask you that at the top of the T. Now, did she really date? My question, I know she dated Dean. I wonder, no, sorry, Blake. I know going to ask you that at the top of the tea. Now, did she really date? I know she dated Dean.

I wonder. No, sorry, Blake. I know I'm hard on the guy. But Blake wanted us to believe that him and Becca Kufrin were talking. And I think they probably had a conversation. They weren't talking romantically. So was he really dating? So was he? Who knows? I mean, that's still two people to be. I'm not a fan of her.

Also, I thought she was pretty sauced. That's why, that's exactly what I wrote. She was definitely good. She was super sauced. Super drunk. Which like, you know, I imagine it's easy to have that happen. Harder to do these. I don't, we haven't seen a good drunk night one since no in the new like

what's the new rule you can't take shots i believe it's two drinks per hour okay but like you know if you i i don't know i don't know if you can manipulate that by like drinking two at the end of the hour if it's by the hour or like you know to 8 or... Why do they do that? Just safety? Well, because they had an incident a few years, four seasons back. Oh, wow. Man, I forgot about that. It's probably for the best.

Yeah, of course. But we haven't really seen a... Like that used to be a staple of night one. That's right. Absolutely. Yeah, especially during Bachelorette. I remember like several... And it was like she

certainly didn't like make a fool of herself but you could it was she was seemed yeah yeah that's my only note about the pillow was bold i don't know when i say i'm not a fan i just she doesn't do it for me i don't know i'm not i feel like she gets far i I'm not curious about her. No. Again, night one, my certainly, it's not a coincidence. She's dated two people from Bachelor Nation. So she is willing to be involved. Yeah. It's a choice, right? That's a choice, right?

Yeah, it's a choice. Not an accident. Yeah. She has one of the opening packages, too. She seems like she is willing to insert herself in situations. Yeah. That's good for TV. Okay.

So to that point, it wouldn't shock me if she is around to insert herself in situations. Yeah. That's good for TV. Okay. So to that point, it wouldn't shock me if she is around for a while. Yeah. I don't think Clayton, I don't think she'll be top four. I feel kind of. The only thing that really stood out to me in the entrances was that Lindsay W. thanks the limo driver who held the door open for her. Okay. And I realized I don't think I've ever seen that before.

Lindsay W. That's a good point. And I realize I don't think I've ever seen that before. Lindsay W. That's a good point. Is she the one with the snake? It was really, to me, that was like such a, like such an indicative of like who she is as a person. I love that. I love that you picked up on that. That's really cool.

I think you're right. And if, and not to criticize anyone who doesn't do that, but it's more, she is capable. Of being a human? No, because again, when I got out got out I was so I was so nervous of course and to be able to calm your nerves and take a moment and still say not about me thank you is is it says a lot about your ability to handle stress I I think. Yeah. Even if she was so stressed, her go-to was to be kind. Still to like.

Yeah. She's probably just good at breathing. That's what her bio says. Great breather. Who is this? What was her name? Lindsay W. Let me see.

See, Lindsay W looks like Hunter, right? They look like twins. She does, yeah. She's a blonde. She's 28. She's from Texas. She's a blonde. She's 28. She's from Texas. Oh, there's definitely a lot of blondes.

I can't tell the difference between... It's bonkers. Lindsay W. said this, but, you know, I got that, those Texas Southern manners. Yeah, cute.

I liked her. There was NC. She spoke, she's Korean and Persian, and she... I believe she spoke in both languages yeah and he took this like i may note that he took like this deep breath after like i feel like he was kind of taken back by her oh you know what my thought about her was really impressive yeah super pretty but also like i think she would go into a relationship with a lot of great expectations.

Okay. I totally dig that. I mean, I can see that. I think there's an intensity there. Yeah. A lot of expectations about how... I think she will let her partner know when they're not doing what she thinks they should do. Okay.

Yeah, totally. You know what I'm saying? He could maybe use that, right? Maybe should do. Okay. Yeah, totally. You know what I'm saying? He could maybe use that, right? Maybe. Yeah. Could be a good thing. I think she would have, she might need to learn how to rein that in.

Take it back. Take it, like, yeah. Pull it back just a touch. How about, oh, Genevieve. I was curious by her. What do you guys think? I can't, like, get a read on her. It's this one. She's the one whose parents

were together for 25 years. Oh, the LA bartender. Was she an LA bartender? She's from Massachusetts, and she was the one who, when Clayton, after he announced that he'd walked Claire out, he asked to speak to Genevieve, which I think is very telling. Oh.

I think she's got some crazy in her. I was thinking it might be there. They're presenting her sort of subtly. Natalie's response when she came on the screen was, she's crazy as fuck. I wasn't, I didn't, but I,

and so I trust Natalie's gut instinct. And then in the preview, she made a couple appearances in the super tease. Heavily featured, potentially as one of the three women who is a lash. Who might like have to deal with Clayton's, you know, loose dick. You said it.

You said it. You said it. You know, though, she stood out as someone different. I feel like the people we're talking about, they kind of just like popped for one reason or another. So whether that's crazy or... I think, again, I really want to reiterate, I think it's going to be a very entertaining season. Oh my God, dude, the preview looks wild.

Everyone's ugly crying hard. That'd be me. It's Susie, uh strong hannah b dude she looks exactly like her exactly she's a very pretty she's very pretty yeah um and i think she yeah i i could see her being around for a while yeah i liked her a lot wedding videographer yeah she a, she loves love. You can just hear it on the one-on-one. I've been witness to so many love stories and I just want it to be mine now. Totally.

She's gorgeous. And she seems very kind. Who's the former Olympian. And I want to know in what event. And also dying to know more about her. Wait, which one? The former Olympian.

That was Marlena. Marlena. She's just someone for me who I want to learn more about her. Wait, which one? The former Olympian. That was Marlena. Marlena? She's just someone for me who I want to learn more about. Maybe it's just because being a former Olympian and anything isn't incredible. It's amazing.

And then you found yourself in The Bachelorette. So I hope we get to learn more about her. He seemed to like Eliza. She was the one that spoke German. From Berlin.

Yeah. And went in for the kiss. She went in hot. What do we think of Kira, the physician who came out in the lingerie? Meh. Well, there was the one quote from a girl. You didn't like it.

I mean, I feel like every season, sorry, I cut you off there. Every season, we see that. Haven't we seen that before? Someone in lingerie, she was fine. It never really goes well for those people. It doesn't. It's like cute at first and then they're in lingerie all evening.

It's like, okay. I will say that when she walked in though, and the same thing with the girl who came in in a bikini, all the girls cheered and were like, ow, ow. And you saw with the toast, they're sort of framing this as like a supportive cast of women. And then we cut to the supertease. They sure did. The editing on that was a little. But I mean, I don't know. A doctor. I think.

A hot doc. It's a hot doctor. Yeah. Everyone loves a hot doc. I feel like. Yeah. Doctors really don't do well on this show. You ever notice that? Different kind of personality, I think. Yeah.

I mean, we had Physician Joe, who was a fan favorite, but technically didn't do well. Didn't go far. And even on Paradise, didn't... I was shocked about that on Paradise, that he just... Not much happened. For all the Elaine Bennises out there

who are just dying to find the hot doctor. They never perform very well on this show. But the nurses kill it. There's always so many nurses and they always do very well. That is so true. Because they're so kind. Yeah.

Who's the girl that was like, let's do nips. Touch my nips like let's do nips touch my nips look at my nips my nips yeah she was cute yeah well they're all they're all cute they're all cute yeah you know whatever they took shots great um does that count for the two two drinks i don't know well he only took a sip let's's talk about Rachel, the flight instructor. And then she mentioned pilot. Well, she was like, I'm a flight instructor and a student. You have to be a pilot to instruct how to fly.

Yeah? Yeah, but then when is she a student? She seems cool. I think she plays a support role in terms of helping pilots land, but she's also studying to become a pilot. She once organized a flash mob in high school. Takes the initiative. Did she choreograph the dance?

If we're going to give credit to thanking someone and try to extrapolate what this means about someone. She's a leader. She is a leader and an organizer and a follow, follow through. Yeah. That will serve you well. Perhaps loves a trend. Yeah.

Works well in large groups. Yeah. Yeah. Villain, like also like fill in at it potentially. You think so? She seemed very like, I mean,

the sort of like even keeled. When I say villain, I mean like everyone can be a villain and everyone can be a hero. Sure. Like, you know, for all the likes, there's no way Joe, like my favorite thing about Grocery Store Joe, I mean, he's a great person. We've become friends. It's like his acknowledgement to being like, he gets it.

He understands. He doesn't like, a lot of people go on the show, get a good edit and be like, I am as great as America tells me I am. And like Joe's just a well aware of like, and Joe is a great guy. He's a good dude. What makes him great is his self-awareness. He doesn't believe that he's perfect because the show edited him as such. And a lot of people fall into that trap.

So when I say you could be a villain, a villain often is someone who's willing to say anything, speak up, get attention from the lead, and then fall out of their good graces all while slightly irritating your peers because you're more confident in a room of a bunch of people feeling insecure about themselves. That's literally

all it takes. Dude, this is a mindfuck for y'all. It's a lot of pressure. Any other people stand out? It's so hard. So many people. It's so hard on that first night. I imagine in real life too, but just watching it, it's

a little mind-numbing. But I thought, what did you think about the episode generally speaking? It's fun. Yeah, I think it's all you want in night one because it's fun. Yeah. I think it's all you want on night one because it's really just about meeting the women,

getting to know your batch a little bit. I think they're going to play, like, you know, Clayton's 0 for 2 on night one. And I said this to Natalie, and she was like, oh, damn, 0 for 2. I'm like, yeah,

but it's going to, kind of like, it's working on Amanda. Yeah. Eventually, you're just going to be like, fuck, I don's like, oh, damn, 0 for 2. And I'm like, yeah, but it's going to kind of like, it's working on Amanda. And eventually, you're just going to be like, fuck. I don't like, no, we're not. We went into this episode not rooting for Clayton. That's very true. Right?

Yeah. And I can't, I'm not necessarily rooting for him yet. But like when he, all of a sudden, it's like, clearly he's a nice guy. He didn't freak out about. No, right? Yeah. So now he's 0 for 2.

And you're just like, everyone deserves somebody. So at some point you're going to be like, fuck man, stop breaking up with this guy and we'll be rooting for him. And I think episode one, you know, and again,

I think Sally is breaking up with us. And I think, I think there were two sincere breakups, but you, they air that because it didn't, it will endear us to Clayton. You know, we didn't,

there was no endearing moment. Like they staged a letter from kids, right? That was all bullshit. I don't know that for sure, but it seemed all bullshit to me. And so the first endearing moment we have from Clayton is when he's broken up with, by these two women who don't know him,

but we're usually, you know, we watch this with the lens of, you know, whether it's true or not, women falling over your bachelor. And this guy's like, fuck man, he got,

this guy's getting, he got broke up with twice before the season, before he started handing out roses. Yeah. Ooh. Yeah. Poor guy. Totally.

But that will endear us to Clayton, I think. And you'll just be like, maybe not my guy, but why, why want him? But he deserves. I want to Clayton, I think. And you'll just be like, maybe not my guy, but I want him. But he deserves. I want him to find love. Totally.

And I think that will help America root for him, for sure. How about, I just had a memory, that one girl, and I'm sorry I don't remember who, brought a, it was very cool. She brought a hundred year old picture of her grandparents and like telling the story of their history. And he like had no like he had no reaction like at all and then just took the picture did you find it problematic that she gave it to him uh that was i was like did she make a copy is this a copy like did she ask her parents

is this okay and like where did he put it and like he didn't even like it to to him, it was just, I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Where did he put it? Thank you for pointing that out. Did she leave? Did he get a bath? I don't know. Did she get a bath? I do remember that moment.

I don't remember who it was. But it was just one of those moments where I felt like. It was Elizabeth. And Elizabeth was not one of the ones who was sent home. She's still there. Okay. Where is the picture, however? Who was the young woman who was referred to as a cougar because she's-

Oh, 33. I could have died. Let me just tell you. Jane? Yeah. She went home, I think, right? Wait, they called a 33-year-old woman a cougar and then sent her packing? Oh, yeah.

That one killed me. Brutal, girl. Brutal. That's a dick move, ABC. I know. Brutal, girl. Brutal. That's kind of a dick move, ABC. I know. Brutal. I mean, she called herself a cougar, but... I put a little more eye cream on after that.

Who was the young lady who, in the super tease, made it look like she was one of the two women that Clayton slept with um oh i could not break it down that well sarah says he's falling he's in love with all three of us tearfully so i think that implies that sarah is certainly top three and so there's a two-thirds chance she's one of the women that he slept with sarah sarah sarah which one's sarah he's the one who gave him the uh the tiger uh first out of the limo first out first oh first first on limo is very good call for first on limo that we that has

aired very often is it do they edit it yes okay it's it depends yeah uh but first out for example um interesting enough i'm kind of slightly contradicting myself danielle l on my season was the last out of the limo and on on the premiere she was the first out of the limo oh no kidding uh and she she went halfway through but she ended up not being a main player on my season even though though I thought she might be early on. Being shown first out of limo is, I mean, you're leading with that. So it's something, it's significant. Yeah. She seems cute, right? She will certainly be around for half the season at a minimum. Is she on this? Where is she?

Last page, maybe? I feel like some of the pictures don't look like the girls yeah these photos are always terrible yeah what does Sarah's bio say here we go great 23 wealth management advisor okay New York

New York not a lot of not a lot of New York people that's right and she's the one that they like she like has her own career

and is like doing well wealth management yeah nothing makes Sarah happier than cute tiny dogs He's the one that they, like, she, like, has her own career and is, like, doing well. I mean, both management. Yeah. Nothing makes Sarah happier than cute, tiny dogs. Well, oh, there's our cue. Same with him. They love puppies.

They love dogs. Okay. This is going to work. I mean, she's from New York, New York. Not a small town. Oh. I don't know. But maybe he's a small town guy looking for a big city girl. Sarah gets frustrated by slow walkers.

Okay, Sarah, I like you. That's right out of a New York playbook. Yeah. Sarah thinks that Wonder Woman is badass. Okay. That's an original thought. Are these prompted or they just pull these? It would be more of a hot take.

She's like, you know, Wonder Woman, I don't know, kind of. Yeah, kind of lame. Yeah. A little weak weak she seems a little like i don't know demure for me yeah she could use the hit to hit hit up the gym a few more times sarah was also the one who smashed the printer during the bloopers i don't buy any of that shit Smashing things Could be like a group date Where they're Totally

Supposed to get their anger out And You know I don't know Well they showed it at the end As like a Like she was in her Night one out tire

But she She was the one In the super tease Where she said He's falling in love with All of us? Question mark? I think so

She said he's falling in love With all three of us. I don't know how you edit that and not because when you watch the Super Teens, they're like, oh, thanks for letting us know who the final three is. But they're really good. I didn't break it down frame by frame, but you saw her

say that. So I feel like she might be there for a while. Totally. They don't make it seem like Teddy is one of those Totally. They don't make it seem like Teddy is one of those people. They don't, but they like... And if that is the case, I'm sorry. Like, do your job. We're out. Explain to me how she...

You're done with this franchise. I will need a legit reason why they didn't... And the only legit reason why, in my understanding, is Teddy breaks up with Clayton. Yeah. That's it, which clearly isn't.

You don't think there's anything she could do to piss him off or to piss the other girls off or? No, because he's clearly physically attracted to her. Yeah. And I don't mean like, oh, Clayton's super, like you have such limited information that you are going to go with your first impression, your instincts, your instant chemistry.

Michelle, we talked about. Myself with Vanessa. Michelle, all season, is this mature, self-aware person who's like, I'm not going to make the same mistakes twice. And I don't know what's going to happen with her and Nate. But clearly, she picked the guy she felt the most natural connection with. Right, right. guy she felt the most natural connection with right and you know there's an edit and i'm sure they played up nate's like emotionally unavailable um you know until like her stepdad was like yeah the guy's not ready whether how much of that is true or not i don't know but michelle ended up picking the guy she was the most like had the most natural chemistry all of maybe physical chemistry

with and that this goes a long way when you just don't know anything about these people, you're just going to go with your instinct. Right. And so clearly we saw that with Teddy more than anyone else, like from, from the time she got a limo hand on the leg, like it radiated through the screen of Clayton's interest in Teddy. And I mean, also Clayton's interest in Teddy. And I mean, also Clayton, Sally, he, he, he made a grand, you know,

proclamation about who Sally was as a person based off of very little information. What is going to sway Clayton? That is a very good point. You know what I'm saying? Like, totally. So unless Teddy says no and Teddy breaks up with Clayton, I don't, like, in what world does she not get there? Does she not get there? Okay. And then you add in the layer of like, even if Clayton's like, honestly, I'm just like into like two other, three other women.

And like, maybe Teddy's his top four. The producer's got to be like. Just push her in. Because, you know, what usually happens is by the time you get to the top three, you have your top one. Right. Really? Even when they're like, we're in love with...

Yeah. Okay. I mean, everyone's different. Sure. And I do think Clayton is the type of guy who could... Be confused and think he's... Be confused because he's not... That's some young love stuff right there.

Which again, what you call a great bachelor like i you know what are we watching this for are we rooting for clayton is it like you know what i'm saying like i think clayton's gonna be an entertaining bachelor i think you're right it's not a love documentary yeah we don't see him cry do we in the oh my god he's crying too i just saw so many girls crying are we gonna see to see, I mean, we saw him cry. What we did see is him, it was like this shot of like, you know,

on a ridge, the cameraman looking down on Clayton of him yelling out, I'm falling in love and it feels so good. Let's go! That's when I was talking about

like the attempt at acting. Yeah. Like, I'm sorry. But don't you think he's attempting at love too do you know what i mean like i feel like he wants it so bad what it tells me is clayton is pretty much willing to do anything yeah that is asked of him and we knew that though right we knew that going in i feel like that's why he's the bachelor. Probably. Yeah. Right. That would make sense. Because why, why else? He didn't jump out at us in the last season.

Yeah. Oh yeah. But tracking back all the way to like the first 30 seconds of the episode, I always find it hysterical when, you know, the bachelor Clayton is like, you know, they just don't really like attention, but,

but let's go. Let's go about that professional football player uh bachelorette contestant now the bachelor doesn't like listen i'll buy like listen i my dream isn't to be the most famous person in the world fine i'll buy that but don't tell me you don't like attention yeah like come on yeah fuck you're on television sir but we're supposed to believe he's the most genuine person in the world just a salt of the earth midwestern guy small town who's very tall are they traveling a lot this season because they're back in the mansion i think they're traveling good i will good to be back i kind of like it too good i felt safe good to be safe yeah it felt like home guys we're back really yeah these weird hotels yeah you know night one like uh i don't know you know it's good it is good to be back uh

that will be i what maybe one other thing worth talking about is serene is the one who ends up telling clayton about claire the one who was shit talking him. And there's also in the super tease, it says Serena is playing him and playing us. So also a potential villain box. I also like, I thought, I mean,

she, I mean, she's beautiful. She really like stunning. Yeah. What does she do too? I thought she, she's an elementary school teacher from Oklahoma.

Elementary school. We love her. We love her. She cares. What what did she say I also like what did she say thank you for bringing her up but she I thought her she said something to Clayton which I thought was kind of a good line um she got up obviously oh Clayton was like uh I want you to bring the excitement and she was like I got you is that what she said I don't know but yes I she seemed I Is that what she said? Cute. I don't know. But yes, she seemed legit. Yeah. Confident. And yeah. And she also seemed to handle it.

We didn't see a lot of that conversation, but I like that she brought it up in a not super drama-y way. Yeah, so potential tease of a villain. We love a whistleblower in The Bachelor House. Love it. Night one whistleblower in The Bachelor House. Love it. Night one whistleblower. Yeah. This chick is...

And when you're willing to be like, I got... Night one. Totally. You want me to tell on someone? I gotcha. I'm in. Like, why would you raise your hand for that? There's the 20 other...

Because she's an elementary school teacher and she wants right and wrong. Well, that did her... When he's like, you know, so there's like some things I'm hearing. So he's like, so what did she say? That she hates you.

Straight up. And then she was like, I don't hate you. When she came... She straight up said, I hate him. I hate him. And then like,

it was funny because like, clearly she's just like, I hate him. I hate him. And then like, it was funny because like, clearly she's just like, I hate him. Like people say that all the time. Yeah. And I hear women say that all the time. I'm like, I hate that. And then you're like, well, I don't, I mean, I hate you. She's like, I don't hate anyone.

I hate anyone. But like, I mean, I actually believed her. We say that all the time. Well, we'll say it. But like, you're like, you know, I'm on TV and you're mic'd up. Like whatever, like. She did like straight up look, you know, I'm on TV and you're mic'd up. Like, whatever. She did like straight up look at the pillow with his face on it and go, ugh. I'm like, put it away.

She was making a statement. Well, again, I don't, I think there's a lot of people who just are not drilling over Clayton so far. So like, I'm really curious of Bachelor Nation. How they're going to react to that. We'll have a similar response. Do you think he's going to get broken up with more? Yes. Yeah.

Right. I think that will be how this goes. Producers endear us to Clayton at the end of the season. It's like, fuck, come on. At least he's got one that's stayed. Yeah, totally.

And this, what in real life is clearly emotional immaturity yeah will be shown as genuine and just wants to find love totally that's the way around it and you know poor guy and yeah truly poor guy i mean i think i think by the end of this experience, Clayton is going to be put through the ringer. Oh, sure. He's going to be exhausted. I hope, as always, we get a chance to interview him. I've been tough on him.

And not him. I feel like you, at least just from what I'm hearing today, like... It's not him. Yeah. It's the situation. And I feel like you're giving him the benefit of the doubt. I will. Not every Bachelor Nation cast member is good at any type of criticism. I'll say stuff like this and their version of, Nick fucking hates me.

I don't hate you. I'm talking about your character. I think Clayton, and I credit to Clayton, is I get the impression is that he doesn't take himself too seriously. Well, that's a huge skill to have. I will be able to say all these things. Totally. Not about Clayton the person, and he won't take it personally.

He'll roll with the punches. And again, I just want to reiterate, as a human being, I've heard nothing but great things. I mean, if that's the case, and he really can roll with punches, then I really appreciate him for that. And at 28, I would have been a fucking mess. Oh my God. To date when you're 28 is so complicated and you have so much going on. To imagine doing that on television to a bunch of women while everyone's scrutinizing you. I mean.

I would have been a mess. Plus we just came off the season of this very emotionally strong very emotionally developed woman so the comparison is hard to not have we needed this we needed thank you you know i really appreciated myself season for what she gave us clayton's season was i mean i'm sorry katie season after it was toxic i think the only way to describe the season was just toxic yeah I almost like blacked that season out it just felt like

I was so ready to be done with it yeah but it was great TV yeah it was you know but this is the real

so we needed Michelle to like bring it like they were giving us an extra season already so it's like if you're gonna give us an extra season

can you at least bring some sanity to what is finding love? And Michelle brought that. And now we're just like, you know what? Back to hot mess. Yeah.

Bring all the trash. Bad decisions. And all the tears. Yeah. Give me your final four predictions. Oh, I'm going to need that. But I think it's the Hannah Brown looking girl. Susie.

Teddy. Genevieve. This is strong. It's strong. It's strong. And it's got to be that Sarah girl. Yeah. Eliza?

Sarah. What do you think? You with me? Teddy. Got to be Teddy. Got to be Teddy. I think the Hannah Brown. Susie. Susie. Susie. you with me teddy gotta be teddy gotta be teddy i think the hannah brown suzy suzy i mean and i hate basing off a super tease because they're so good at i know you know like uh running

interference but she's in it a lot yeah i like that top four what do you yeah genevieve genevieve sarah teddy it all starts and hannah brown's our next Bachelorette, and Teddy wins, I'm going to say. Yeah. If not, I need Teddy to be our next Bachelorette. Yeah. Big time. I'm going to say, I think Rachel's going to be there. She was the flight instructor. Oh, we forgot about her.

Had Halle come out with her. The flight instructor. There's so many. The flight instructor. The pilot. Yeah, you're right. I think she's... But how about Sinead? yeah now i see there's so many there's so many flight instructor the pilot yeah i think yeah you're right i think she's uh but how about shanae like who they're setting up to be the villain sometimes those villains get far and she's real pretty if i if i wasn't basing it off the super tease i would say the flight instructor is top four okay episode two tells you a lot when you

watch it back because it's night one, right? So episode two and three will tell you a lot because again, there's, there's so many women and very few times. Who do they focus on? Who did they start showing storylines? Even if it like is when they talk about love and when Clayton's talking about

love and talking about finding people, who do they, who do you show? Like by episode three, it really comes into form who your top four is much harder. Episode one. But how about first one-on-one is that telling? Oh yeah.

That's like, it's going to be Teddy, right? I mean, no, I doubt it because she got the first impression. We already know. So we'll hold on her.

Greg situation. The first, the first date is often not the, the first date is almost never, I shouldn't say almost never, is rarely the leads favorite. It's usually a producer favorite. Oh, really? How do they wiggle that out? The first date will have some sort of compelling storyline. Okay. They will, the first date will have some sort of compelling storyline okay

they will the first date serves a purpose is it to help Clayton tell us more of his story you know

like totally like Greg Greg had the first impression rose and got the first date and we never saw that before right

and the first impression rose is very much the choice of the lead it really is like the the producers don't if the producers had more of a say you wouldn't see the first impression rose be given to the winner every season because it becomes too obvious right too obvious yeah they really like they might help you like figure out because there's 30 people but like on my season it was was like, who do you want? I'm like, Rachel.

They're like, great. And that was it. That was the end of the conversation. And so Katie gives it to Greg, but Greg, whose father passed away, Katie's father passed away. So we didn't get to see a lot of Katie on Matt James' season because she was in top four. So it was more learning about Katie.

I suspect we might get a little bit more of that because we don't know a ton about Clayton. So I suspect whoever gets the first- It's a storytelling device. It's a storytelling device, which makes me not immediately assume they're top four. It could be. Dude, it's so intricate. I love it. I love the way, I love hearing you talk about it, how you break it down. It's so interesting. And now I'm sucked in again and I'm going to be a great season. I'm in. It's going to be a hot mess. Like, um, I do think smiling, thinking of everyone like crying, which is like so Christmas morning. Well, it's interesting. Cause like,

I, you know, there's all these choices. Cause like, you know, my girlfriend Natalie, she, she wasn't a bachelor fan. So now she like, she, how'd you guys meet? She slid into my DMs. I love that. Um, you know, there's all these choices. Cause like, you know, my girlfriend, Natalie, she, she wasn't a bachelor fan. So now she like, she, how'd you guys meet? She slid into my DMs. I love that. Um, she's a, she's more of a Bravo, um, housewives reality fan. So I now like she washes with me because like I cover it for work. Right. And so, um, she, she is not a fan of Clayton.

She just isn't like nothing to do with Clayton. The person just not interested, not doesn't give a shit about him at all. In fact, she's just not. And so for her, she didn't love the first episode. I thought from a TV standpoint, it was great. Regardless of what I think about Clayton. So I'm really curious about will they struggle having women who primarily watch the, like, you need to be invested in the Bachelor on some level. Sure.

Like, you want to, like, you know. You want to, we're watching it to root for love, too, right? Yeah. For all the people who, like, you know, who didn't want me to be the Bachelor, you still were like, oh, fuck, can this guy find love, two-time runner-up? Oh, absolutely. So, like, they, fuck, can this guy find love? Two-time runner-up kind of thing. Oh, absolutely. So like they had that story. Yeah. And so, you know, they really need to keep trying to get us invested in the Clayton.

Yeah. They're working against a lot for sure. I think there's maybe more Clayton love than we're thinking about. The other thing was when Sally came in and was saying, when was leaving and was like, I'm sorry. He was like, immediately, you don't need to apologize. So I think there's been a few glimmers of Clayton being truly just like, sweetheart, really good energy. Again, no doubt.

He is all those things. And clearly, there are plenty of Clayton fans out there. I don't know if it's the majority. Yeah. We'll have to see Twitter. We'll have to find, we'll see. Oh God. I do think they will do their job and

we'll be, all they have to do is get enough people to sucked in with the drama. So by like mid season. That's exactly right. I mean, come on, because this guy, we want, he's nice. Yes. He's nice. I think we're going to end up walking away being we want he's nice yes he's nice I think we're gonna end up walking away

being like he's nice yeah yeah yeah all right uh I think that does it

I'm in though I'm definitely I'm in uh Lisa thank you so much for coming oh thank you you'll have to come back

for more I would love to now that I'm stuck watching this show I'm in please let uh our audience know all the great things you're doing, where they can follow you,

any projects that they can support or enjoy that you are putting out there. Oh, that's nice. Yeah, I put out a video on YouTube Monday through Friday. And I'm developing a show based off my book that you helped me promote a couple years ago. So hopefully you'll be seeing that soon. Amazing. Yeah. And where can they follow you on social?

Oh, I'm Lisa Schwartz on Instagram, Lisebug on YouTube. Lisebug? Lisebug. L-I-S-B-U-G. There you go. See, it's people like me and you know how to spell things. Fair enough. And like, that could have taken me a whole hour to figure it out.

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