The Viall Files - E368 Scheana and Brock: Engagement Rings, Prenups, and Babies on Vanderpump Rules

Episode Date: January 12, 2022

On this episode of Viall Files, we are joined by Scheana Shay and Brock Davies from Vanderpump Rules as we discuss their new engagement, the true value of that massive ring, and what didn’t make it on camera. We also dive into how some cast members may not approve of the engagement, who might be jealous, and how to romantically sign a prenup. We break down how they’ll resolve parenting disagreements in the future, moments where they’ve crossed the line, and how sometimes getting therapy with your mother-in-law is a good thing. “I’m sorry your ring has its own gravitational pull.” Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes.  Check out our new "Introvert" merch at http://www.viallfiles.com today! THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Curology: Get started with your free 30 day trial at http://www.Curology.com/VIALL. Cancel anytime! BetterHelp: Get 10% off your first month at http://www.BetterHelp.com/ViallFiles  Episode Socials:  @viallfiles @nickviall @scheana @brock__davies See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Sheena and Brock, welcome. Thank you. Thank you. Sheena in studio. This is my first, what do you even call this? In studio out? A hybrid. A hybrid interview? Yeah.

So we have Sheena in studio. We have Brock who is currently in San Diego getting ready for... In rugby camp. Rugby camp. So this is like pre-season training. That's it. Pre-season, tour days. So we're down here.

Obviously when we're not filming we have our place in san diego sheena and i met in san diego and so this is our home away from home and it's only two hours drive uh so we're trying to make it work until we come down here for the next couple of months all right yeah well i guess the best way to start off is a congratulations on your engagement thank you as i'm realizing that i forgot to put my ring on did you oh we have so many questions about the ring i know i know i i was doing dishes right before so i wear this band every day because i feel naked without something but my ring is so massive you have a ring that i just, I can't wear it for everyday wear.

I'm sorry. I'm sorry the ring has its own gravitational pull where it's just wobbling on your head. My bad. Should we talk about the ring off the bat? Yeah. Okay. Because I've been told that a lot of people

have a lot of opinions about the ring. They do. And you've been clapping back a little bit. Yeah. I mean, mean god i wish i had it right now yeah so do i if i understand the the the burning questions in the in the topic of conversation around the ring is its size and value yes and then as it relates to the value whether rock could or could not afford it is am i am understanding the chatter yeah in the vanderpump world yeah so on i don't know if it's all reality shows but specifically on bravo shows they love to hear how much things cost yes even if that's not what we

pay they love to hear how much everything costs. You do have to pay something? Yes, we do have to pay something. Even though you gave the show, because your big premiere, this is airing on Wednesday, was last night, and you gave them that gift, the show,

your life, you're exposing your life, and you had to pay a little bit. Well, yeah, we got i mean we got an insane deal on it because the jeweler is a very good friend of ours but um it wasn't 25 000 but the show didn't didn't the show our show doesn't pay for stuff we're not the bachelor we don't get our weddings paid for and all of that we pay for everything we don't have we don't have like an ad placement from Kay Jewelry. No, it's not.

Apparently, Kay Jewelry does this show now. Yeah, no. It's worth $25,000. It's actually worth quite a bit more, we found out when I got it appraised to insure it. I'd rather not, but... It would be a personal favor. Yeah, thank you, Frank.

It'd be a personal favor to me. Okay, I mean... It's a 30 with a plus. Like, let's be real. Yeah. And I'm proud of that. 30 with a plus. Yeah, with the band.

30 plus. It's a little... Well, let's just get specific since we're in 30. So, the ring itself is just over 36. Okay. And then when you add the band

with these diamonds, this is another 5,000. So it's about 40,000. And you got a great discount. Yeah, and we got an insane discount. So at the time, he thought it was worth 25,000. That's not what we paid. And then when I went to get it insured, we're like,

holy shit, it's actually worth quite a bit more. So it's our surprise. But yeah, he did not pay $25,000 000 and and either way brock you're quite you just said you're quite proud of this and good for you for being proud of it like what is your as you know we have we have the man we have the woman here lots of opinions you know i asked for i wanted an eight carat Morganite stone. That was my dream ring. I talked to Kyle Chan about it.

He sent me a photo. What's Morganite? It's just a precious stone. It's not a diamond. It's a precious stone. Okay. Yeah. So it's a rare light pink Morganite stone.

I can show you a picture of it since I don't have it on. And I said I wanted eight carats. And Brock was like, okay, let's go nine or 10. And then Kyle's like, well, I found this one. That's 12.74. Carrots. Carrots. Yeah, it is massive.

You got our car as a wedding ring. So that's the thing. That's why I don't have it on at the moment because like when I'm doing dishes and I give my daughter a bath, like I just, I don't like to wear it every day because also when you do wash your hands often, as we're all doing nowadays,

it just, it doesn't sparkle as much and then I have to clean it more. So I just leave it at home where it's safe. And I wear the band all the time because I have to have something to show I'm taken. I think, I think I'm going to jump in and just help out the conversation or the chatter, just to clear everyone's opinions about the ring i brought for my fiancee so yeah she gave me the vision and the vision of the cut of the stone and i went to kyle and sheena saw one of his original rings that he had which was a morganite which is a fine stone and i went to him i said look like let me see what a morganite is let me see where we're at and he's like oh brock i've got you covered like come see this stone now i've actually got a friend i've got a good friend that's gave me a stone and this is fire and i looked at this stone

and at the beginning i was like oh that is that's pretty big like when's she gonna wear it around but then at the same time i was like this is i think like she could wear it wherever she wants she could wear it to the dog park it doesn't this is my commitment to her and it was something that was beautiful between me and her and then all of a sudden the talk came in i was like well how can you afford a 25 000 ring when you've got to go pay your child support you got to support pay for a wedding and and piggyback off the coattails of the cast members which has been the narrative of the season and my one response to them is it doesn't fucking matter if i can't financially purchase a ring pay my bills and go

ahead and do the things i want to be doing that's my prerogative and people are just either upset that their husband gave him a shitty shitty shitty ring or they're already upset that you know let's be real lala's rings prove brown it's not even worth the 150 grand that she told everyone it was worth so that is yeah the narrative that's getting stuck. I'm talking mad shit. Because you know what? She deserves to be loved like that and I'm proud of buying her that ring because she deserves something like that.

It's beautiful. Your fiance deserves to be loved. You're not suggesting that Lala deserves to be loved. Everyone deserves love. Everyone deserves love but She just want to make sure. Everyone deserves love, but Sheena's love language isn't gifts. It isn't that.

No. It's unique things. So everyone's upset that I got her a Morganite because I'm a cheap ass. I didn't get a diamond. But it's what I wanted. That's what me and Sheena does. We don't look the norm. We don't follow the thing that's between us. And if someone, which they

are, have opinions about it, they can keep having opinions. Just keep watching the show. Thanks for the views, baby. And what do you mean by love language is unique things? I've never heard of that love language. So for example, for my birthday this year or last year now, he named a star after me. And that was something so unique something i've always wanted i'm really big with like the stars and i love like astrology and all that kind of stuff so that's something that i've always wanted and no one's ever given me and i thought i had mentioned it to him but he's like you never even said that that's something you always wanted i just knew that you would love that i don't want necklace. I don't need something like that.

I'm more of a gift giver. When it comes to receiving gifts, I feel very awkward about it. I hate opening them. I would like something more meaningful. I would honestly prefer a handwritten card over any present any day because that just means more to me. So you like gifts, but you like they need you. I like to give them.

But also it sounds like you also like them, but you want them to be thoughtful, thoughtful, not necessarily of. But I would rather have a car. Go ahead. Anyone can go ahead and buy a Birkin bag and be like, I'm sorry, you know, I love you. But I think not anyone can buy a Birkin.

They're kind of expensive. Oh, no, you're right no one yeah and that's and that's one thing for my for my how i how my love language is when i was raised and we didn't we weren't raised with berkins and louise and all this stuff we were literally you know it's it's trying to take precious moments and turn them into something more and so that's my version of loving sheena like right and you know, yeah, when the money comes in, sweet. But until then, like, this is, I believe this is good enough. And I think it's good.

Well, congratulations on the beautiful ring. How do you like to show love, Sheena? See, I am a big gift giver, but Brock isn't big on like the receiving gifts either. Nor am I. How do you like to receive love? Hold on. I'm sorry. like the receiving gifts either. So nor am I, how do you like to receive love? Hold on. I'm sorry.

I want, I would prefer if it's okay for Sheena to add to how does Brock receive love? So, and then I'd love him to confirm or disagree. He, I am words of affirmation, but he's also big with like physical touch. So he loves to just like feel me and love me and we love to cuddle and that's just something that is like on both ends i was never high on physical touch when i did the love language test but that's one of his love languages and i love to give that to him oh i love to cuddle i'm just more words of affirmation and quality time than physical touch yeah but as someone who doesn't score high on the physical touch, do you ever have like a – I mean, I'll just say it. I do. I think most men do.

Eventually, I'm just like, okay, I need a little claustrophobic. And Natalie is like, I want to be inside your soul. And so it's like try to balance it out. Not you so much though? I don't want to be inside someone's like, try to balance it out. Not you so much though? I don't want to be inside someone's soul, no. But I do want to cuddle on the couch and have a glass of wine. So no acts of service in this room? Acts of service.

See, that's one thing. I love helping people as much as I can. I love to see that with someone. It was my lowest on the love languages, but it is something that's obviously like important. It just it depends in what way. Well, I want to be with someone who does treat others kindly and, you know, offers help when needed, like those types of acts of service. But it wasn't like the top thing. I need the words of affirmation more than anything. I think we all have our right to love and be loved

and show love the way we want. It's okay. Definitely. So we got to watch the great engagement on the show. People love a good behind the scenes. The great engagement on the show. People love a good behind the scenes. The great engagement. I knew you'd appreciate that, Brock. It was a production, that one.

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and he tells me to wait outside, grabs a blindfold, and I just assumed something cute was going on with my daughter in the house. So I'm like, okay, you know, like I know filming setting up in there. So I'm like waiting to come in. I did not think by any means that I was about to get engaged. So I come in the house. He has me sit down at like our kitchen island, pulls out a big thing of flowers and has a typed out letter with like the edges burned. Like it was like a message from a bottle, like something you would get, you know, like that. And so it was absolutely beautiful. Like that's what I want more than anything. And he's learned that is just written or typed out or

spoken words of affirmation, love. Like that means more to me than any gift. You want to know he's thinking about. Yeah, totally. So he gives me that. And then he goes to get down. I think on one knee and I was like, oh, shit, this is the moment. And he picks up the cat bowl that was on the floor. He's like, sorry, that was bothering me right there. So I was like, oh, OK, I'm not getting engaged right now. He was just joking.

But this is a sweet moment. And, you know, whenever we get engaged, we get engaged. Then he has me turn around and come outside. And I can tell I'm stepping on flower petals. I open my eyes. There's this huge balloon arch that says, marry me. And honestly, I don't even remember what he said. I had to watch back on the show because just in the moment, I didn't even know if the words that came out of my mouth made sense, which is why I wanted which is why I wrote it down first and then kind of tried to speak these words. But for me, I never thought much of getting down on one knee

and committing to somebody. And then once I received the ring, even going into it, I'm very kind of happy-go-lucky. So when I went to go checking out the ring, I was like, oh, it's kind of cool. And when I actually saw it, I kind of got a little emotional about that because I was like, oh, okay, I'm making this decision. And it's a decision that I'm super stoked about. So then when I went down to saying, you know, will you marry me?

I don't even know what came out of my mouth. It was just, I love you. Yeah. Yes. And then I said, of course, and that was intermixed with the beautiful Hollywood traffic as you have right here on sunset and um it was great yeah and do you think that all of your cast mates are happy for you no no no one's happy no one not yet even when we tell everyone which you'll see in the next episode when we like announce it it was in the moment i thought everyone was so happy for us and then i watched it back and it's like

crickets and awkward and i was like was that what was happening in that moment in the background yeah and you think it's them talking shit or or like judgment of like it's never gonna work yeah i think a little bit of both but yeah some people because i mean now we have been together a little over two years but when we got pregnant i mean we have been together only six months so i think a lot of people just thought, you know, typical Sheena jumping into something else and it's never going to work. She doesn't even really know this guy.

And now it's been a little over two years. We have a baby. I think now people are like, oh, okay, this is the real deal. But even this past summer- Can we not downplay? We can't downplay the fact that we spent a year in like a lockdown.

And like that ages lockdown and like that was my decision for us like mid mid mid argument of the pandemic it was like we leave or we make this work and we made it thrive so I feel like yeah we've been together for just over two and a half but it's kind of like it feels like three plus. And so that was easy for me. Who do you think is jealous of you guys? I wouldn't say jealous. I just think... I would. Yeah, Brooke, who do you think is jealous? You can answer that question then, honey.

I do think that they're... You're a very generous guest, Brock. I feel like it's not the word... Jealousy isn't the right word, but when hypocrisy comes across, when people judge a relationship for what it is and what this relationship is, it's not the word jealousy isn't the right words, but like when, when hypocrisy comes across, when people judge a relationship for what it is and what this relationship is, it's very caring.

It's very opinionated at the same time with each other. And from the outside looking in, I feel like it's a couple of the cast members are like, well, fuck, you know what? I may talk shit, but to be honest,

I would like to have that support. I would like to have somebody that's there to pick up when I, when I need to be down to help. I love Sheena and I love that aspect of kind of adding value. And we do that to each other throughout our whole, whole relationship. So I think definitely our cast members, if,

if it wasn't projection, what do you call it? It could be, oh yeah, not jealousy. It's projection, whatever you want to call it. I mean,

it's your opinion, you know what? Yeah. If you think exactly, I'm entitled to it any names specifically i think over the summer lala was projecting deflecting whatever you want to call it because she saw that i have an amazing partner i have a great man who's loyal, who is a good father. And it's a very 50-50 partnership.

And she didn't have that in her relationship. So I think she saw what she wished her partner could be. And now fast forward, so much has happened. But at the time, I felt like maybe she's acting this way because she just wishes that her man was as awesome as Brock. Yeah. How is she doing? She's good.

She's good. She's good. Yeah. Good. She is going to be just fine. But, I mean, when you find out, you know, that the person you've loved for the last five years just is living a double life. I mean, I can't imagine how hard that has been, but she is

a very strong woman. She's a great mother and she's going to be just fine. That's good to hear. I think that's where I, where I like, I kind of like hold off on like my judgment. I have an opinion about how I went through this with her and her judgment towards me and my relationship and all that. But at the same time, it's kind of like, well, once we get through all of this, this hazing, and we come out of all of that, I can't pick on her too much because she's going for a lot now

because she's definitely eating her words and she's definitely having to be in a position where she is now a single mom and she's doing great, but she's got different obstacles to deal with, in my opinion. A question for you guys. What's something you have to learn to accept and tolerate about each other? That he forgets to flush the toilet. Well, between us? Yeah. He forgets to flush the toilet all the time And I'm just like honey That's kind of gross

Half the time It's not me It's our toilet Because one of them is like a bad flush That's in San Diego What's your excuse in LA So it's more like debris It's shrapnel

It's not necessarily It's not just like a grenade there for you. No. It's the shrapnel after that gets me in trouble. Is that it? Is that it? I mean, that's. Is that it?

No. He gets in these like binges where like right now he's obsessed with Survivor. And like nothing else is happening. It's just like Survivor, Survivor. It's on the TV. It's on his computer. It's on the phone. And I'm just like, oh my God, turn Survivor off. off we need to get shit done so that's like one thing that but it's like

you know i would rather him be at home watching survivor than out doing some of the dumb shit that our friends do so it's like it's not that big of a deal at the end of the day it's honestly it's like that it's like background noise as long as I'm still I'm still looking after our kid. I'm still doing my emails. I'm still getting work completed. I like just having it in the background. It's quite fun to watch people go to an island and sabotage each other. It's quite right.

You don't have to apologize for having a passion. Yeah, I mine's mine's football. But what is something about your loving fiance that you have to learn to tolerate? Except my biggest one, my biggest one my biggest my biggest one and i talked to her all about it so time is just the fact that she thinks she has a good side and a bad side i really think i do and i'm on my bad side in this podcast yeah i'm saying oh wait like dark side of the moon kind of thing no just like this side of my face it doesn't it just it moves different can you turn around? My hairline goes further. Let me see. Well, I have a hat on

because I had a feeling I might be on my bad side. That's your good side or bad side? Yes, this is my good side. Can I see the other side? That's my pet peeve. Can you do the other side again? You can see a difference in photos. My hairline goes back further on this side. Wait, so are you

going to stand on what's typically the groom's side for your wedding? No, because we'll be filming from my good side. I've already filmed a wedding one, so I got this down. Brock, do you have a good... I mean, I can't judge. I don't see a difference. You're very symmetrical. But I, too, feel like I have a side.

Do you have a side brock are you just beautiful yeah i mean i guess i guess i i guess i do my right side but it has nothing but i'm not gonna position also i don't fully accept that answer the thing you can't that can't be the thing that you have to accept the most about sheena there's got to be something else that you find to be slightly how much of a people pleaser and how forgiving I can be but I know that that annoys him because this summer this is a Sheena no but does that not annoy you like hold on I got this it was one of the only things we fought on this season you're like why are you always apologizing that I know that annoys you but

that doesn't get doesn't get that doesn't annoy me about you that's just like like why are you always apologizing that i know that annoys you but that doesn't get doesn't get that doesn't annoy me about you that's just like hey why are you doing that like you can be better than that i think that's it honestly there's we have other issues right now raising a kid together and trying to find out between each other and all that so no that's the only issue is her self-confidence in herself there's a big one for me because i'm confident i just am more confident on my left side. Do you guys, I mean, like, I'm not a parent. And my girlfriend, Nellie, and I will talk about, you know,

we both want kids, so that's a thing. And, you know, I think lots of times, you know, like, you date someone you love and you think they're a good person, then you just kind of assume that you guys would parent the same way. And, you know, you're from Australia. I don't know if you're from here. Um, and I think, yeah, that's, could be something people take for granted. Even some of the little things of like, you know, are you harder on your kids? Are you, you know, you, you know you know like more patient like how do you discipline uh how far do you push like where are you guys on that and how do you guys work through those how old is your child summer eight months old yeah summer moon at the end of the day we both

want what's best for her so well sure it's when we're like right now we're sleep training for example and i'm much more passive chill where I'm just like, whatever, she'll sleep when she's tired. And, you know, if we're at a wedding, let her stay up a little later. We're on vacation like she doesn't need a bedtime. And he's like, she needs to be on a strict sleep schedule. And it's like frustrating because when we were on vacation, I just wanted to let her just do whatever.

But I know that he wants what's best for her and that is what's best for her. whatever but i know that he wants what's best for her and that is what's best for her so that's the only place we've kind of clashed so far is when he wants to keep her on a strict schedule and i'm like she's not tired she's not gonna well how do you guys work through that because i can only imagine these topics will will will continue right you held your held summer is it summer moon or can we call her summer yeah summer moon summer summer and she's six months so she's eight months eight months all right so she's eight months very like she sleeps that's that's big but as she gets older he's gonna be the strict one he will you i'm gonna say sure just ask your dad okay i think i think sheena answered it within there like for me

and this is where we have it by our heads, I don't want to be right in this situation. I just want to do the right thing. So I'm going to make sure I read up. I want to make sure, because this isn't new. Raising kids 20 years ago, 30 years ago when our parents raised us, to raising kids now is completely different, purely based on technology and just education

of actually developing your mind. And so for me, I'm fully excited that Summer has the opportunity with all of this knowledge that we know as parents how to be the best for her, you know, and if it makes sense. But then it's trying to execute that. And with Sheena being quite a pushover with it, what I have to do in a relationship with relationship advice is bite the bullet and just lead by example and just say nothing.

So I'll just take my child. I'll take her to bed at seven o'clock. I'll say, see you later. Honey, have fun watching the football game. I'm going home. And just lead by example, just to avoid arguments. So scenario for you. Yes. summer's 16 years old okay she wants to do wow you went you went there she she uh wants to do something i don't know give me what does she want to do she wants to go out with her friends and go out late on like a friday night she wants to go out late and you think it's cool you think it's totally reasonable as long as i know where she is i have her location you know like but but brock is against it brock's like fuck this this is now i'm not comfortable he doesn't know the parents doesn't know the parents started to date this guy that he thinks might be a little and and and he's this adamant but she is like

mom she knows you she knows you're the one. She knows you're the pushover. What do you do? I would say I'm okay with it. You need to check in, give me your location, let me know, blah, blah, blah. But you have to ask your dad. What if he's like no? And if he says no, then you know what?

What he says goes. Okay, all right. I was just testing you. Because you gave an answer here. I asked you guys before the interview, what did you learn from your parents? And I actually have a follow-up question for Brock here. I don't know.

I mean, I wonder if you guys gave these at the same time. But you wrote, parents love and support one another no matter what, which I like. My biggest takeaway from my parents was they were a united front. So nothing would get us more in trouble as kids as if they found out that we pit them against each other or mom said yes, but dad said no and somehow try to manipulate them, so to speak. So you passed the test. But Brock, you wrote, it's important to be independent. If you can handle yourself, you can handle a family. So what do you mean by that as it relates to parenting?

I think she'd be okay if she's 16 and she's making smart choices that she believes she's putting herself in a good position. I'll be okay with her going out. And I wouldn't be super strict because I feel like she'll just learn that independence as she grows up because that's what i want to teach sheena wants to love and cuddle i'll teach independence and yeah and i mean depending on the situation if it's something where he's being unreasonable by saying no i will fight for my daughter and take a stand but if it's something that i'm like, I mean, I'm just saying yes to be the nice parent, but I agree with him, then what he says goes.

Would you do that? But if she wants to get her belly button pierced at 16 and he says no, I'm taking her behind his back. I don't care. See the trouble I'm getting myself into. That is pitting us against each other. There's something I say often on this podcast for

for very different various different reasons shavings make a pile okay yeah and you know for like as a rugby player you know like shavings make a pile in a sense like you do a lap and the next day you do two laps and you know whatever and then you do a little bit more each day and next thing you know you're primed for rugby season or you're trying to get back in shape or eat right or whatever. But also shavings make a pile when it comes to going against, oh, it's not that big of a deal. I'm going to let her pierce her belly button, whatever.

Those things over time add up. I mean, hopefully there won't be too they make a pile you know and maybe it's a pile of shit you know there's different piles i guess yeah this is just an analogy but it's not it's it's very clear that time will tell that there will become a pile yeah and we need to make sure that's a good pile. Like, yeah. Yeah.

I'm saying time will tell. I agree. Would you guys have this discussion, um, like in front of summer or behind closed doors with like a final determination? I think it depends what it's about. Yeah.

I mean, my, my, I feel like we've never actually had this broken down conversation how we'll handle that when it comes to it but i think having them involved and keeping them inclusive is is good to know as long as we have like our values at the beginning but i mean i don't know about you honey we've never had that conversation but i'm fine i think it's good for kids to grow up with that and see that you know because sometimes when they see struggle when they

see when they see love and they stay and they can look at that and they can use that as an example, then like stuff behind closed doors and all that. I think that's great. We're very, we're both very loud type A outspoken people. I don't think it will be possible for us to just have a quiet discussion in our room that she's not going to hear. Like, I definitely think it'll be in front of her. Is it too early to tell who you think she takes after more, personality-wise, about eight months? I don't know what Brock was like as a kid, but, I mean, my mom obviously raised me as a baby,

and she says she's just a spitting image of me. I mean, she looks so much like me, and I know she reminds a lot of my family of me but i don't know what brock was like as a kid and unfortunately his family yeah they haven't been able to meet her on facetime what's uh as a as a girl dad now brock and uh as a guy uh and i don't really know anything about you all that much i'm learning as i go and you seem delightful but what's something you want to and what i what i mean by that is i don't know about your past or how you were in your dating life before and things like that but

what's something now that you have a daughter you find yourself potentially being extra guarded or protectful, something you want to make sure you teach your daughter as she becomes a woman, a young woman and gets out there in the dating world and starts meeting men. I generally just say confidence, you know, I just want her to have beliefs in herself that

she is enough and and i look forward to teaching her those lessons as we go through yeah well you yeah i love that i mean yeah i always want her to feel confident in her decisions and i always want her to feel comfortable to come to us with any issue she has i was raised with two parents i could go to with literally anything. We had very open communication and I always want to provide that same atmosphere at home for her. So if I understand correctly, you are an OG. You've been on, have you been on since the beginning? First scene. I was on the show before Lisa Vanderpump was on the show. Okay, flex. So you were an OG. Yeah.

And Brock is now a cast member as a result of this relationship. Am I understanding that correctly? Yes. You also signed a prenup. Yes. And I'm only basing off the context that has been provided me by this conversation. Was that prenup signed because of your financial situation in terms of you are worth more than Brock? I mean, yes.

I own a property as well. I'm divorced. We're both divorced. And my first divorce took me for half of my bank account because we did not have a prenup. And although you never get married thinking that it's going to end, but you also don't go swimming thinking you're going to drown. There's still a lifeguard there. You don't need to convince me. I think prenups are reasonable requests.

I was totally against them until I got married and then divorced and then realized, oh, this is why people do it. And now I own a property and I have a lot more this time around than I did previously. So it's just a protection, you know? Yeah. I think I was super, I was willing, I was definitely okay with it, really because of, I respect what Sheena has built and I respect her property. And that's like, and then it also takes out the question from everyone back,

oh, Brock's using Sheena as a stepping stone to get on a show and like using her because when we met, I didn't know about the show. And then as the show was, as I found out about the show, we were in a pandemic. So there was no show. And so I think that was a saving grace for us because we got to have our relationship off cameras

for a year and a half when Sheena would normally take a relationship, eight months later, put it on a camera and if i had that grilling all right that's shredded and when i just met her i would just be like like there would probably be a different conversation we'll be having you know so i think with the bring up i respect what she's earned and she deserves all of that and at the same time i'm working on my things too so it's it's separate we have a joint account where we put YouTube and that together in there. But what hers is deservingly hers and what's deservingly mine is deservingly mine. And then we can go ahead and take care of each other.

Yeah, that makes sense. I mean, you know, it's just like, obviously, relationships, dating, marriages have evolved drastically over the past 20, 30 years and what it means to be married. And yeah, I mean, we have vows, and it all sounds good to say to destiny your part, but realistically, our society doesn't operate that way. Coming from you, you know, someone like, and traditionally the stereotype is, you know,

prenups are usually requested by the man in the relationship or the presumption that he might have the wealth, and you've, as someone who's already been married, you are operating under, like, this lesson you've learned yeah before and the reason i actually what i brought this up wasn't just just to discuss prenups but thank you for sharing but we talk a lot about relationships on this podcast we even have the questions nick and then and just with our guests we talk a lot about power dynamics and you're the og you know and you've even mentioned it brock you know accusations of oh you're using sheena for the show the prenup and every relationship has power dynamics you know there's an overall power

dynamic ideally every relationship you want to be 50-50, right? But it always changes, you know? It could change just how you feel about yourself. You know, you've talked about postpartum insecurities. And so like that insecurity could turn into an unequal power dynamic in the relationship. And let's say like Brock's coming off, you know, rugby training. He's like, babe, I'm in the best shape of my life. I don't know how to even all share an accent or whatever.

And so he's feeling good. You're feeling insecure. There's a power dynamic there. And so my question to you is being someone who's like the OG and has the power, presumption of power on the show, presumption of power when it comes to the prenup, how do you guys handle stuff like that? Because I think every relationship needs to go in with not, like it's, oh, that doesn't exist in our relationship. Like these all things exist.

The healthiest way is to address it and knowledge it. And then how do you make sure it doesn't become a thing where it affects the relationship? You know what I'm saying? Like, so do you guys have these conversations? How do you deal with some of the perceived hurdles or potential hurdles that could like fester and maybe even like underneath kind of things that could pop up down the road?

We do have a lot of conversations and we've had open communication with each other from day one. He told me about everything in his past, the good, the bad, the ugly, all of it. So I think just knowing exactly who we are from day one and then, you know, put a pandemic, a baby, a show, all of that, we've still always kept very open communication with each other. If something's bothering me, if something's bothering him, we talk it out, we figure out how to work it out together. Yeah, it's definitely, especially coming from a man perspective, we've come into a dominant relationship with Sheena being a big part of the breadwinner, you know. And I think for us, I just always wanted to make it very clear to her, like, okay, split bills, we make sure we keep it 50-50.

And we just transparently keep the conversation. And sometimes for me, it was really hard because I owned fitness studios. And during the pandemic, we and um during the pandemic we shut down during the pandemic and then we moved up to la so yeah there was a period of time where where sheena was the main breadwinner for the family so it kind of it's a dynamic but it's kind of our dynamic and respectfully she respects me as much sometimes and sometimes i talk to her i'm like look like i feel real bad but this was said by you know your mother or a friend and this is how it made me feel and you know it's 2021 2022 now so I get to kind of talk about my

feelings a bit more and I'm just very lucky that Sheena kind of you know she understands a little bit and she also respects me sometimes too and I say no I'm going to handle this and that she lets me do that too so have you always felt that way i mean because to your point like brock in 2021 2022 like i think the idea is like men can talk about their feelings more um but you know we still like i mean progress is always something that needs to evolve and things like that but you know men potentially feeling emasculated about talking about their feelings whether that's in their own head or their partner making them feel that way. And do you feel like that's something that you've always had in your relationship, Brock, or something you're newly experiencing with Sheena?

Yeah, this is such a good experience because I've never had that in past relationships because I've always, maybe myself, I've put that pressure on me to be the man, to do this and do that. And this relationship I had with Sheena was really amplified with the pandemic, with financial situations changing rapidly. And in kind of like talking about how am I going to handle that openly with Sheena and Sheena fully supporting it. So yeah, there's some times where I'm snappy with her and then she'll she'll she'll I'll be like look I'm sorry it's because of this she's

like yeah I know um but I've never had this relationship with somebody else so I think Sheena doesn't help make me feel comfortable and talking to her about it you know and she's never really used it against me generally sometimes it might be a little argument which will say something and it'll just it'll just it'll be like oh here we go you know but um no she makes it a lot easier than any relationship i've been and that's that's why i asked her to be my wife uh that's great well because i asked both of you a question like what are what's one area men could be more empathetic towards women and vice versa and what's an area women could be more empathetic towards men and both you kind of touched on in terms of being more empathetic towards men with feelings with feelings

yeah well actually sheena you said they aren't as they aren't always as confident as they want to come off which i was like there's a more empathetic way of like i just mean you know like how the man feels like he always has to be the man and that goes with feelings if he's not feeling that confident like he's trying to put off that it's okay to express that is how I meant that yeah and how do you and have you think that's something you've learned to do to recognize or acknowledge or even maybe compliment or reward your partner, your male partner of his willingness to be vulnerable? Because I've been in relationships where I've felt like me expressing feelings have been weaponized against me. I think my last relationship was so opposite in that he never expressed feelings, like literally never even said I love you until after we broke up.

It was such a mindfuck. And so I knew, yeah. Sounds minute. Very, very much so. I never wanted to be in another relationship like that where I'm with someone who maybe I feel love, but I never hear it because I am, like I said, words of affirmation. So with Brock, it's just, it's so different. And I appreciate his feelings and his vulnerability so much because I've never had that in a relationship

before. So I would never make him feel bad for that or anything. I embrace that. Can you concur that she's standing by what she did? She's telling the truth. Yeah. Obviously, yeah. When the rivers flow in the right direction. Yeah. When we have arguments, sometimes we take cheap shots at each other. And then after it, we go, that was pretty shitty that you said that. And I think,

I think we acknowledge that after the fact, do better not to do it, which is great. Do you do? Yeah. Cause I've also been in those relationships too. It's like for me, I got it.

Like for me, apologies, you get one. We're not one. I mean, if you keep apologizing for the same shit over and over, like, you know, every time we fight and you call me a piece of shit or whatever, I'm like,

I really appreciate you not talking to me that way. Well, I'm mad. It's like, okay, be mad. You know, like, yeah. And how do you guys hold each other accountable in fights? Like, how do you guys hold each other to fight fair? I mean, we always talk it out after. Like, in the moment, it can get really heated but then we have a conversation of what led us to the point of it getting so heated and how can we

make it better like me i'm sensitive in the sense of like i like if if like if you're fighting and we're fighting and you call me names apologies don't like make that i don't like it doesn't erase my memory yeah so it's like okay you know i'm glad you're sorry but like that really hurt my feelings and do you think that you know i don't think i've ever called you a name you know how people like will ask like do drunk words like mean real words yes same thing can be applied with like anger oh totally you know or is your when you're the most mad are you the most honest or are you just saying it when i'm angry or when i'm not angry because sometimes you do call an asshole because sometimes you can be an asshole but because sometimes i i just i get i get i get to the point and sometimes

it's not fun to get does that point. Does that bother you? Being called an asshole? No, because I know that how I approach an argument is I take feelings out of it and I just go, okay, so this is the problem. This is what my version of a solution is. Explain to me why you don't see this. I bet you find that annoying. It's annoying because I just don't see this. I bet you find that annoying. And I get very like, yeah, she gets, it's annoying

because I just, I just don't argue with emotion. I'm like, let me understand where you're coming from then because this is where I'm coming from. Do you understand? And it's just like,

piss off. Do you call her any names in a fight? Oh, I think I've, I think I've said one. I think I do, I do sometimes like,

I get frustrated why she doesn't understand it. I'm like, you're stupid, which is very bad but it's not good in fairness and I'm not coming down on you Sheena so is asshole I mean yeah

it's never been anything that like don't you think it's interesting it seems to be socially acceptable for a lot of relationships I've known for women to call their male partners assholes in relationships. And it's just like something women say in relationships. And it seems to be like kind of accepted. I wouldn't call him that if he didn't act that way.

Yeah, look, I'm not a nice guy half the time. So is it okay for me to be like, I won't say why you're being stupid if you're not. Hey, if I'm acting stupid, then I'm acting stupid. But if he's acting like an asshole, I'm going to call him an asshole.

Yeah, you can call me crazy. I call you crazy. That's not stupid. It sounded weird. I call you crazy. I don't even think you've ever called me stupid on this line.

No, it's crazy. I'm like, are you crazy? Okay, crazy. Do you get mad? Like, you want to see crazy and i say it because i know i think because it's a trigger for it but you know what have you ever been so mad that you've been like you've been like i'm gonna say this and i know as soon as it comes out of my mouth i'm gonna going to regret it. But like, fuck it. I did once. I said it once. And it, I think was a big turning point in our relationship. We, it was our first fight. We're at the beginning of the pandemic and he was pissed off and he starts packing his bags

to leave. And I was like, Oh, don't say it. She, you know, don't say it. And I was just like, and I was like, you literally like, you need to stop packing your bag or I'm going to say something I don't want to say. And he's just like, say it, say it. And I was like,, and I was like, you literally, like, you need to stop packing your bag or I'm going to say something I don't want to say. And he's just like, say it, say it. Oh, you said it. Oh, I said it. And I was like, oh, you're going to leave me like you left your last wife? And he unpacked his bag and he's never left again.

Oh, so, but it worked. Okay. Well, okay. Yeah. But I didn't want to say it, but I was like, you're going to make me go there because I was like, hmm. So that was like she checked you, though, it sounds like, if I'm understanding.

It was relevant in that situation, and it was kind of, for me, that was a turning point in all of my relationships. Because before, I 100% used to be like, all right, you know what? Like, I'm just going to fuck this up. I'm going to do something bad and move it on. And that was a turning point where I was like, I don't want to keep doing that. I really want this to fuck this up. I'm going to do something bad and move it on. And that was a turning point where I was like, I don't want to keep doing that. I really want this to work out.

And maybe it's not you. She's not the problem. I am the problem. So maybe I just stay here and figure it out. And I think that was for me and her, that was what switched it up, I think. Yeah, it was like, if you walk out that door, don't come back.

And I meant it. And I heard it and I said okay okay can I have a draw please actually that's another thing you didn't see this season we did a therapy session just one I mean I'm not saying you need it

we're advocates just in general we've talked about it just one I didn't mean it that way no we've talked about it. Just one? Look at that. So judgmental. Well, because it was one on camera. I didn't mean it that way. No, we've talked about it. We just haven't made the effort to find someone or do it. Natalie and I don't do it, but I believe it's a helpful thing.

Yeah. No, there are times where I feel like, yeah, maybe we should go and talk to someone. Cause we're like not seeing eye to eye with certain things when it comes to like parenting or him and my mom, but heads a lot that we're like, you know, yeah, yeah, they do.

How do you guys deal with that? It's that's probably the hardest part in our relationship is dealing with that. And that is something that I would like to. Who do you agree with more? Usually Brock. Is she just being a little assertive and oversteps her boundaries kind of thing? Yeah.

There is no boundaries set. There is no boundaries that have ever been set. And it's no disrespect to you, honey, or your mom. And that's where we're at. Boundaries are important, especially when it comes to family and relatives. I mean, my mom has, we're very close. We've been very close my whole life. And she is Summer's full-time caregiver when we're working.

So it got worse with when Summer showed up. She just was around a lot more. So then they started butting heads more. And my mom's very opinionated. And she'll give her opinion on how something should be. And I appreciate that because I've never had a baby. I've never raised a baby. And I think my mom did a damn good job with my sister and I. So I appreciate and welcome all of her opinions and advice, whereas Brock, not so much. It's tough. It's a really tough thing.

But that is something that i would like to talk to someone about to see how we can get a better line of communication between the two of them i think brock and my mom should also go to a session of therapy together i think that could be very beneficial for them and but i'm not in my humble opinion i could easily be wrong that also could be helpful but at the end of the day it's tough because right or wrong like even if you're like even if your mom's right she's there's boundaries always need to be respected right but it is tough because your mom does have the experience so like it's just like the like I feel like parents have to be you know we get older, I don't know how you guys, my parents were and

have always been my heroes. But as you get to become adults, you realize, oh, they're people and they make mistakes and they're not the infallible things that I thought they were as a kid. And then as you get older, you have to be like, no, mom and dad, I think and feel differently than you. And if you want a relationship with me, there has to be some level of respect and boundaries. And sometimes it's really hard to do with parents. Yeah. It is.

But therapy might help. But yeah, I don't know. So yeah, we've talked about it. We just haven't making the effort. Before we do our little do you know me, Gabe, as you wrap up, you are a big Basher fan. I am. So why don't we get your thoughts on on Clayton in this season I love Clayton you love yeah he was one of my

favorites on Michelle so well Clayton needs his stands like let's let's hear it very excited when they announced him as the next bachelor I just think he seems to be a very genuine guy who is in it for the right reasons i think he yeah he just has a lot going for him and i'm really excited to see where the season goes so i like to get the spoilers every season we're spoiler free here so don't don't no i'm not i'm not but i like to see it plays out. I was just about to ask you to maybe do a recap. But if you know the ends, then... I love knowing how it ends. But also, I mean, I do know too that one of my favorites makes it to the end.

I'm usually pretty good at picking them. That's why I always like to see because I'm like, is it the one who got the first impression rose? Is it the one who I think stands out? And usually, I'm pretty good with like the top five. Well, I can't ask you who your favorites are now. You ruined that. Sorry.

We really try to be spoiler free here. Yeah. But you like the drama so far? Yeah. Do you prefer, because we've had this discussion yesterday on a recap episode. We had Michelle's season very mature. It was like a master class in dating. Thoughtful, really ended her conversations brilliantly.

Yeah, you know, drama. It's like, you know. Minimal. There. And then there was the hot mess that is Katie's season and seems to be Clayton's season. What do you prefer? I mean, the hot mess.

I liked Michelle a lot, though, because she was another one I felt was there for the right reasons. And I feel like that's how the show started out. Yeah, because that's how the show started. And now it's just become who can be the next social media influencer and who can get the most followers.

And no offense, but who can have a new podcast? And it's just become that. But also, I think that you were there for the right reasons because you kept coming back. You tried so many times, you know? And I will say like the first season, I didn't know how I felt about you. And then I saw you on Bachelor in Paradise. I was like, oh my God, I love him. So then when they said you were the bachelor, I was like, this is awesome. This guy deserves love. So I like to see people who are in it

for the right reasons because that is what the show is supposed to be about. But you also need the hot mess for entertainment. So I think a mix of both is good. And do you think there's still people there for the right reasons? Yeah, absolutely. I thought Clayton was definitely one of them.

Like Brandon, for sure. I mean, hopefully Nate, but like Brandon. You have your doubts about Nate. For sure. I liked him from the beginning. He was one of like my favorites. I just didn't know if long-term, if he's going to pack up from Austin, Texas is awesome.

You're just going to leave Austin, move to Minnesota. Like, I just, I hope for her it works out because I see how much like she loves him. Like you can feel it from the show. So I really hope for her it works out because she deserves it. But I feel like he's really into her too. Like the Instagrams he's made of her. I don't follow him, but it's hard.

See, I haven't followed anything past the show. His bio on his Instagram is the Michelle Young fan page. His last post was, Michelle's not used to her new paparazzi and he's just taking photos for all the time. They seem very happy. It was heartbreaking with Brandon because it was

just like, oh, he was so there. He was. He'll be okay. He was one of the few people I really believe the heartbreak. You don't see that very often with the runner ups. No. Like I thought she was going to then like go after him. I was like, wait, how is this?

Because I actually didn't know how last season ended. I knew who made the top, but I don't think I knew who won until like the end. So then I was like, is she going to like go and chase after him? Like I, I didn't know. But I'm very excited for Clayton's season. Okay. Well, Clayton, you have a fan. Yes.

We're coming around on Clayton. We were harder on the casting than the guy. The guy, he's nice. I think he will be a great bachelor in the fact that he will allow the drama to unfold. Yeah. And he won't be there to put it out any fires yeah definitely so we will be entertained i think for sure uh well you guys have been such generous guests uh thank you so much for coming on before i let you go we're gonna play a game if that's okay with you it's real simple it's really easy it's called do you know me self-explanatory has sheena has brock ever blah blah blah okay and then you guys answer and then

feel free to include anecdotal stories if you want okay or not it's really up to you sounds good all right ready do you know me with newly engaged... When did you actually get engaged? July. Okay, newly engaged. Yeah. Brock and Sheena. Has Brock and or Sheena ever been in a long-distance relationship? Brock definitely has.

He's from Australia. Yeah, he and his ex, like he was playing rugby in France. She was still in Australia and they were trying to make it work. So I know he's been in that situation before. Long distance, Sheena has from LA to Vegas. But if you can call it a relationship, I wouldn't, but she did.

I wasn't in a relationship. You know what? I like this idea that you guys answer for each other and then confirm. Thank you. This is a good idea. No, thank you.

You guys, this is great. I thought that was the game. I thought that was the point. Like, do we know each other so well that we know these answers? It was really just

for the audience, but I love this. This is even better. This is so much better. This is so much better. You guys are great. Is Brock or Sheena, is Brock and Sheena,

what's it for? I don't know. You guys get the point. Smiling in their ID, their driver's license. Or passport. Sheena 100% is. He's not. I honestly would have guessed the opposite. I would have guessed you would have given off some kind of resting.

Oh, no. Kind of like badass and I could picture Brock being like hey guys you know no mine is a full commercial headshot mine looks like I just did like 30 days and this is my pin up photo

yeah has Brock and Sheena ever paid for a premium version of a dating app never been on a dating app? Never been on a dating app. Ever? Nope. You were never on Raya? Never did it.

Nope. I was so against dating apps. I said, I want to meet someone. I think I've seen you on Raya. Then someone's using my photo. I've never been on a dating app. I don't know that for sure. I don't know that for sure.

You were never on a dating app up there, right? No. It was called PV. That's a dating app up there, right? No. It was called PV. That's what I did. It was the bar downtown. Yeah. That was it. No, I never did it.

I was single for a couple years, and I lived in Vegas for the first six months. I didn't need it. I was fortunate. I didn't need a dating app. Do Brock and Sheena ever buy Bitcoin? Well, I think you guys would. Yeah, you guys know um

i haven't he has in the bitcoin game huh yeah what do you recommend i mean i mean i just like that like the opportunities that could come up you know like it's definitely a space when you look at our younger generation and where what they're doing it's like we are we're on the pinnacle of that transition and so might as well be involved in it. What's the worst case that could happen? Oh, we lose it all. I mean, don't invest your life savings. No, I know. I do the same thing. I've invested enough to be

involved, exactly. But I'm prepared to lose it all. Although I'm doing pretty good. Can Brock and Orshina name two houses in the Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry? Like Gryffindor, Hufflepuff? Yeah, there you go.

Slytherin? Slytherin. Are you guys Harry Potter fans? I've watched the first four. I haven't watched the last four or now five, I guess. Yeah, by the time, once it went from like three to five, I kind of lost it. We were talking about this. You're a wizard, Harry. We lost it. We were talking about this.

You're a wizard, Harry. We get it. Wait, what's the fourth one? Is there a fourth one or is there three? Ravenclaw. Ravenclaw, yeah. Because we were talking about this at the bar last night and I have never taken the test or anything. I haven't seen the movies in so many years.

I don't remember. But I was like, oh, I'm a Gryffindor. And they're like, no, you're a Hufflepuff. And I was like, honestly, I don't know the difference. But I just liked that I was able to rattle a couple of them off. Have either of you not dated someone because of their zodiac sign? No, I've dated the wrong zodiac sign, but I've done that multiple times. I think I've just dated the date, mate.

When it comes to talking to signs and following that, it's not my flow. Yeah, I'm not like, oh, you're an Aries rising. We're not going to match. How many signs are there? I don't even know. I can't possibly name all the signs. 12?

Isn't there 12? I don't know. Isn't it just with the calendar? If I had to guess, I would have guessed 12. Would you know what you are? I know I'm a Libra. Oh, how does that match with Natalie? I have no idea. I don't know what she is. She's probably a Leo? I know I'm a Libra. Oh, how does that match with Natalie? I have no idea.

I don't know what she is. She's probably a Leo. I know her birthday. Well, you look, Amanda looked at me in disgust that I don't know her sign. Okay, not disgust, just a little bit surprised. Living in Los Angeles. I have no idea what is the one. I think it's the same as my dad.

In Los Angeles, people live their life from the start. It's literally what's going on. I'm like, oh, okay. Good story. I dated a couple of tourist men. As much as I wouldn't want to do that again, if Brock was a tourist, I wouldn't be like, I'm not dating you because you're a tourist. I'd be like, I've had a couple bad experiences with tourist men. I'm a tourist

as well. You've just had bad experiences with men, period. Yeah, that's true. It doesn't matter what star sign they were at. Judgy McJudger? I'm not judging. Thank you. They set the bar very low. That is true.

I was happy. Do you think you're better at setting boundaries for yourself and enforcing those as a result of your past relationships? I don't know. I think I'm still struggling with the boundaries, honestly. I'm trying to get better at it we'll work on it no i just don't completely understand them like i'm just like i don't know i'm just i'm a very passive giving people pleasing type of person and so the boundaries if i have to say no or i just it makes me uncomfortable first boundary like the boundaries

are coming up with what the boundaries are and then there's enforcing the boundaries which is the no part yeah I'm bad with all of it you're just like

whatever whatever I'm gonna be happy have either of you ever gotten or received a hickey of course right like

junior high yeah you haven't had a hickey since junior high I don't how about an adult hickey an adult hickey you guys have never given each other a hickey no

not like intentionally but every once in a while you're like oh shit no no no no is that nuts is that nuts I bruise very easily so I'm just

screwed I feel like I get them very frequently like in high school you literally tried to because you're like oh hickey marking your territory in adulthood you're like oh my god you gave me a hickey and I'm like oh fuck

one of my girlfriends she's 39 she had hickeys a few months ago and I was like are you kidding me a hickey. And I'm like, oh, fuck. Sorry. One of my girlfriends, she's 39. She had hickeys a few months ago. And I was like, are you kidding me? Are we judging? Are we judging? Sometimes it's not intentional. This was intentional, though. I feel like this room is kind of like giving the judgment vibe on adult hickeys.

Assuming they're not like intentional. If it's not intentional, if it's not intentional then it's not intentional but if you're like it doesn't take all that much I don't know I haven't tried to give someone a hickey well if it's not visible then it's like a fun little slutty secret but if it's like on your neck and it's like intense then it looks performative

totally I come away with like mouth bruises I'm just screwed I think there's a I think there's a community out there of people who bruise easily

who've got adult hickeys on the neck who didn't intend to it embarrassingly covered it up and it wasn't performative at all and if you're a member

of that community we see you we hear you we see you we hear you there is no judge not from me at least I don't care

feel free to DM me we'll start a club i'll go without i want to get judged on a hickey right but yet you're going to judge someone on their style sign yeah thank you have either you ever been suspended from school yes and, and it wasn't my fault. Gina got into a fight. No, the fight happened after. It was the start of the fight, and this girl was coming for me.

It was in eighth grade, and I was a straight-A student. I never got in trouble. I didn't get detention, nothing. And because she was trying to start a fight with me, we both got suspended. And I was like, this is not fair. I didn't even do anything.

She wanted to fight me. So then on the last day of eighth grade after we graduated then i kicked her ass and gave her a fat lip and a black eye i won and she got grounded that whole summer i love how you tell that story with a sense of pride yeah because you shouldn't have fucked with me all season or all summer all season all season all season all season all summer. All season. All season. God, seeing trauma of fucking reality TV. She's in show mode. She's ready to go. All school year. Honey,

where's that, where's that like, I like that from you, huh? Get more better seasons. Yeah, there's that.

That's enforcing boundaries. I told you, when it came to the reunion, I was so fired up. But then it was just, people were on Zoom and it wasn't the same it's okay

final question have either of you ever played strip poker strip poker um not strip poker I've played strip other games called a pizza box there's been like other games I've played that like like remove one piece but like like

what so there's this we've told remember last season we talked about the pizza box game with quarters yes see she knows about pizza box so yeah some of the things that were written in the pizza box were like remove one piece and if you landed on it then you had to do that. I've never played any strip game. Any strip game. I mean I just stripped for fun. Okay. He hardly ever I think there was like an attempt at it.

There was like an attempt at it and then I was like should we just take off our clothes? Let's just skip the game. I don't know. I feel like Brock Gina. Yes. It's been a pleasure. It's been so fun. let's just skip the game you know like I don't know like I feel like Brock Gina yes it's been a pleasure

it's been so fun thanks so much for coming it was great of course please let my audience know where they can follow you find out what you're doing promote whatever the fuck

you want to promote yeah so everything is just at Sheena S-C-H-E-A-N-A I currently have a capsule clothing collection with Bella Boss that is still available.

Where can people find that? That is bellabossla.com. They have a sale going on right now. And also, I have new YouTube videos every Wednesday and new podcasts out every Friday. All right, Brock. Yeah, you guys can follow me through Sheena's profile. I'm on there.

You'll tag me sometimes. He doesn't like to say the double underscore in his username. Oh, yeah, right. I'm on there. You'll tag me sometimes. He doesn't like to say the double underscore in his username. Oh, yeah, right. Underscore, underscore, underscore, David. He's ashamed of his... There's going to be a time when we're no longer allowed to shame people

for their... For their handles. Star signs or double underscores. I've been very passionate about working on my live stream platform, which is called Homebody. And we're in beta right now. We'll be rolling out in January, February.

And what it is, it's a creative platform where we look forward to working with other creators. And if they want to host any fitness classes, any Q&As, any kind of cooking classes, and they can go ahead and set a payment scheme up there. Pretty much the only fans for the health and fitness space. We want to offer creators

a place to monetize from that. So I've been working on that and I look forward to working with a lot of bachelor talent, having a bachelor week where you can work out with a lot of past members that have been on the show

that want to work out with their bachelor following. So I'm stoked and excited about that. So that's Homebody. You can go check that out at the website and on our app, Homebody you can go check that out at the website and on our app Homebody app

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