The Viall Files - E373 Bachelor Recap With Rozzi

Episode Date: January 25, 2022

We are back with Singer-Songwriter and massive Bachelor Fan, Rozzi. She's here with us to dive into some Bachelor Nation drama and catch up on all the chaos going on with Clayton’s season. We talk about some of the crazy behavior of the girls, and if white wine might be the culprit. Next, we give Clayton some credit and recognize him for the solid guy he seems to be, comment on how the producers needed to give him sunscreen, and how this season seems to be a return to form. We then guess who will be the next villain after the next Rose Ceremony, and predict the rest of the season given that two of the three episodes have ended in cliffhangers. “I feel like Clayton will pick who he thinks America wants him to pick” Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes.  Check out our new "Introvert" merch at http://www.viallfiles.com today! THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Everlywell: Get 20% off an at-home lab test at http://www.Everlywell.com/VIALL  Away Travel: Start you 100-day trial and shop the entire catalogue at http://www.AwayTravel.com/VIALL  Episode Socials:  @viallfiles @nickviall @thisisrozzi Check out Rozzi's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/Rozziofficial See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

you're crazy what's going on everybody welcome back to another exciting bachelor recap edition of the vile files i'm your host nick joined by am Allie is not feeling well today. I feel like usually she's like, she's always like, goes really out of her way to like be like, no, I promise,

like it's okay for me to whiz work. And everyone's like, Allie, like we know you would never whiz work for anything dumb. Allie's not feeling well. She will be, she'll be back, we hope.

So Amanda is keeping down the fort. And we have a wonderful guest. Rozzy is with us. Hello. Very talented musician. And most importantly, big fan of the show. Huge fan. This is a dream come true.

And by the show, I mean this podcast. And then secondary, The Bachelor. Yes. Have you been a fan of the show for... Ever? Yeah. The Bachelor. I think my first season, I forget his name, have you been a fan of the show for ever yeah I think my first season I forget his name

but that British guy who was like a random one off yeah yeah I'm very I'm probably a bigger Bachelor fan than you are

I'm like a very serious fan yeah yeah I remember my friend was watching it like years I was like a teenager like years ago and

ever since. All right. So this is a big deal for me. I'm so excited. We are happy to have you. Well, as you know, we have recently been talking about the Bachelor Nation hot gossip tea, whatever, whatever are all the silly things people are doing on the internet. Yes.

And I think it's important to note that Ali compiled much of this list she did a lot of great research so I want to give credit where credit is due so we're starting with remember how Claire Crawley

found a new boo very quickly just like Katie the tattoo guy from her season Dale Moss is now dating a model named Florencia

Galazar Galarza Galarza. And they showed a lot of PDA in NYC. So he's showing off his new relationship, flexing on them with a model. When you say showing off a lot in New York City, is he just walking the streets and making out with her? Or are they going to events?

Or posting their own photos. Yeah. Is it unsocial? It's definitely... are they going to events? Or posting their own photos. Yeah. Is it on social? It's definitely, I mean, so PDA is definitely like a more sensationalized

media version. They were seen like walking around, shopping. I don't know if it was much more. Just kind of, it wasn't anything like insane, but it was definitely a very like outward relationship. Like public displays of affection, not necessarily sexuality.

Good for Dale. I know, good for Dale. I feel bad for Claire, not because Dale did anything wrong, but I just feel bad for Claire. I just want her to be in love so badly. Yeah, I think we're all rooting for Claire. You know, I don't know if Tattoo Daddy's the one,

but I don't know him at all. He was from her season, right? I think so, yeah. Yeah. Technically. He wasn't her season, right? I think so, yeah. Yeah. Technically. He wasn't the guy who left when she left. Was he? No.

No, the guy she went on one date with and he was all broken and he had to leave. I always wanted them to find each other again. Yeah. No. Not him. Okay. Yeah. I think Claire really only saw Dale.

Yeah. She really only saw Dale. So I guess it's entirely possible for her to be like, oh my God. Yeah. She really only saw Dale. So I guess it's entirely possible for her to be like, oh my God. Yeah. Tunnel vision for Dale. Were you on my ceiling? Yeah. So I don't know.

Yeah. And is Claire and that guy still? We assume. Yeah. There's been no updates. Yeah. Maybe no news is good news. Yeah.

Absolutely. Yeah. So speaking of Katie Thurston, we do have, so Katie posted an Instagram talking a lot about her experience with social media and more specifically the ways that it hasn't been healthy for her mental health and how she's been trying to set boundaries. One thing that she mentioned was that she has a limit on her screen time that only John, her current boyfriend, knows the password to. What do we think about that? It also was followed up by Katie additionally posted a video on TikTok talking about her inverted nipple

and the way that we should normalize our bodies and explaining her experience with said inverted nipples. T, piping hot. I'm all for limiting screen time. I think social media is... I mean, I love it and I hate it so much. So I support that. We have to manage that. I think the juxtaposition of her two posts is an interesting...

Juxtaposition. Yeah. You know, yes. Social media for all of us is challenging and it's you get this audience and you don't know what to do with it natalie since natalie and i started dating she has you know she has more followers now than she did when we didn't start dating and and that happened rather rapidly. And one thing I love about her is among many things is I honestly don't really notice a difference between her social media use between now and when we first started hanging out, which it wouldn't be bad if she did more.

But it's just she's very like, she's good at managing. And like compartmentalizing. Yes. You know, she's on it more. You know, she does it sure and she started doing like some of these q and a's or whatever and she's been asked to do a couple podcasts and once in a while she'll she'll be like oh do you think i should share this or that and all i only thing i ever remind her is is that when you have an audience and i feel it too you sometimes feel like this responsibility

to share, give them what they want, so to speak, to answer their questions. And I always remind her, you don't have to do that. You don't owe them anything. And just whatever you share, just know that you are giving a bunch of strangers access to you and you don't get to control how they use that right and so no matter what you say no matter what prepared for yes it's there's always waves right the first wave is met with like oh you're so like amazing i love you whatever that whatever that praise is immediately followed by the second or third wave is going to be when it gets out into the outside of your audience, you know, when your critics, you know, start seeing it and they start sharing it with other people and someone comes from another page. Can you believe what this person posted or ha ha ha. And then people will have those opinions and that can affect you.

So it's just like I repeat myself all the time. I mean, the few times she asked me, I just say the same thing. You don't have to do it. Just know that, you know? I always use that. What's that woman's name where it's like,

if it doesn't give you joy? Oh, Marie Kondo. Yeah, that's like my social media rule. It's like, does this post give me joy? Like, do I want to share this with people? Totally. That's an interesting, that's a great point. And that's something we,

people in Bachelor Nation have all made the mistake. Amanda and Allie work with me. And like most of the stuff we post and do on like TikTok is fun. But every once in a while, it's just like, is this worth it? Like, do we know how this is going to perform? Totally.

When in doubt, no. We're just like, nah. And sometimes you want to push totally when in doubt we're just like no like and sometimes you want to push the limits you want to be entertaining and you want to create discourse on your page and there's this pressure yeah but you know this i i looked i saw natalie saw katie's inverted nipple tiktok and she's like she showed it to me and i was at first kind of like okay you know yeah I just I read the comments I was curious what the response would be the initial response seemed to be rather positive a lot of it found the inverted nipple community yeah it resonated with people inverted

nipple community like yeah yeah okay great. And that is great. I personally think it almost feels like it's giving it more weight than it needs to be given. Because to me, it's just like, yeah, everybody's bodies are different. Great. But maybe I'm wrong. And that does need to be more underlined. Well, that's the thing. My one kind of reaction to that was, is there maybe a less, is there an easier way for us to articulate to any audience? We all have our

insecurities about whatever. Maybe some of those insecurities might relate to our bodies. And we're not alone. Actually, very in theme with this week's Bachelor episode, if I do say so. Totally. It is. It's also an interesting, I think it's almost interesting to look at, I don't want to say strategy because that makes it sound too calculated, but like as a means of humanizing yourself and being vulnerable. That's true. As opposed to just posting sort of generic stuff that hopefully people will see a little bit more humanity in you. No, totally. Because it's a lot worse to be making fun of someone who's being a little bit vulnerable about their body or something they felt insecure about than someone who's just posting everyday content.

Yeah, I mean, and I think Katie has, she's talked about embracing this, she had the, what did they call themselves? The messy crew or something, controversial. Controversial crew. And Katie seems to have embraced this, like, I don't care what you think mentality, I'm going to be my most authentic self, which is like, yeah, it's nice to say.

And then you almost like, okay, if I'm going to, she named this thing. It's like she named her brand almost, right? So there's a pressure of like sticking with your brand. What does your brand mean? Well, that means, well, I guess I should talk about what I'm most insecure about, my body parts. And okay, I guess. Yeah, I'm all for vulnerability. I mean, I'm a musician and my music's very vulnerable. But then also I remember I wrote this little thing about I was dropped from my first record label and the experience of going through that. And for me, sharing that had nothing to do with

the reaction of my followers. It was more like it just felt so good to, like, release that. And maybe that's part of it, too. Is she just, this is something she's been carrying. And there's something very empowering about taking control of it and just releasing it into the universe. You know, like, if that's her intention. Yeah. Maybe not.

Well, I don't, you know. Totally. Because there's a pressure of, I'm sure on some levels that was her intention? Yeah. Maybe not? Well, I don't, you know, because there's a pressure of, I'm sure on some levels that was her attention. As someone who has a large audience, there's always the thought of, how will my audience receive it? You know, like, you know, a lot of people treat their platforms, myself included, like a business when it's that large. Yeah, of course.

And so you have to have that thought process. It's not just like, this is going to be my page to just express myself. That's not what it is when you have a following that large that you're monetizing. Katie's monetizing her page. So there's that thought process. How are brands going to see this or not see this? Will this get the type of brands I'm looking for? Those are all things that people with followings and a lot of people

in Bachelor Nation included are thinking about. So you don't really know. It does begs the question of if a guy in Bachelor Nation went on TikTok and started talking about the shape of his penis and if that was an insecurity of his and how it changed when he got aroused. And I'm sure some men would be like, yeah, I feel seen. I wonder how that would be received. I don't know. But even if you are helping other people feel seen, it is not necessarily yours. You can and applaud if you do. But like I always tell Natalie, you don't have to share. No. Because it can come at a big price. Definitely.

So it's a vulnerable move. Absolutely. Our next piece of Bachelor tea is that Matt James and Rachel return to Nemacolon. Oh, I thought that was really cute. I saw that. Yeah, congrats. And it seems, so what do we think? Do we think they're getting serious? Do we think they-

I think so. What an amazing outcome for them. Yeah, I'm just, I guess, happy for them that they were able to ride out the storm. Because yes, I think she made a mistake and then the weight of Bachelor Nation and then some and people outside of Bachelor Nation because it became such a national story at a time where this was very much talked about like also entered the conversation and especially when it came to rachel and matt and people like having their eyes on them and watching their every move and critiquing their every move it's i'm just i'm really happy that they were here now that's why i think it was so sweet i would come out of it and yeah and uh be together so i agree yeah i think it's a it's a really good story and i wish them the best because um come out of it and be together. I agree. Yeah.

I think it's a really good story and I wish them the best because it seems like it was a very challenging time for both of them. Definitely. Yeah. Are you guys doing more traveling now that things have been opened up the past year or so? Maybe you are. And if you are, you should be traveling with an away suitcase that's what i travel with because i i just especially if you don't carry on the away travel one i don't

know the size of it it's very functional it's got a battery pack in there it's great i love how it organizes my stuff you can get also it's as amazing how much much clothes you can put in an Away suitcase. Because not all suitcases are made equal. And some of them, they're made like, it's like, why did they do this? I don't understand. Totally. What's this piece? That's what I've been traveling with for the past year.

All of Away suitcases are designed to last a lifetime. A lifetime. Mine's as good as new. With durable exterior that can withstand even the roughest of baggage handlers. Also, not only does it last a lifetime, it still looks good. The four 360 degree spinner wheels guarantee the smooth roll, even through the most hectic of airports and stations. Also true. Available in different materials like polycarbonate, aluminum, and durable nylon in a variety of colors and sizes. A TSA approved combination of lock keeps all your belonging safe. If any part of your suitcase breaks,

Away's standout customer service team will arrange to have it fixed or replaced. There's a 100-day trial on everything Away makes. A 100-day trial on luggage. Who's ever heard of that? This is insane. Take the product out on the road, live with it, travel with it, even get lost with it for 100 days. If you decide it's not for you, you can return any personalized item for a full refund.

Start your 100-day trial and shop the entire Away lineup of travel essentials, including their best-selling suitcases at awaytravel.com. That is awaytravel.com. Now's the time to set yourself up for a better and brighter year. That is awaytravel.com slash V-I-A-L-L. Now's the time to set yourself up for a better and brighter year. Everly Well can help you give yourself more clarity, confidence, and well-being with over 30 at-home lab tests. That's right. It doesn't matter what you need to test for.

Everly has got you covered. What are some of the things that you can test for? Maybe it's your sensitivity to food, allergy tests. Maybe it's eggs. It could be almonds. Maybe it's just like, you know, I think I've been, maybe you're wondering if you're gluten intolerant.

They can test for that. Also, they do like STD tests. They do STD tests. Which is great for like, like, you know, it's, Who wants to go to the doctor? It's not embarrassing. It's great to take care

of your sexual health, but sometimes, you know, you're sitting in the waiting room and you're like, feeling weird about yourself. You're in the waiting room like, what brings you in here? It's like, I just want your sexual health, but sometimes, you know, you're sitting in the waiting room and you're like feeling weird about yourself. You're in the waiting room like, what brings you in here? It's like, I just want to get a seat.

Yeah, I made a mistake. No, I don't think, now you don't have to say that because Everly Well has got you covered. Everly Well ships your at-home lab test straight to you with everything you need for a simple sample collection using the prepaid shipping label. Mail your test back to the certified lab

in just days. Your physician reviewed results and actual insights are sent to your device. And you can share your results with your primary care physician to help guide you in next steps if next steps are needed. Over 1 million people have trusted Everly Well with their at-home lab testing. And listeners of the show, Everly Well is offering a special discount of 20% off an at-home lab test at everlywell.com slash V-I-A-L. That is everlywell.com slash V-I-A-L for 20% off your at-home lab test. everlywell.com slash V-I-A-L-L.

Our next piece of tea is Hannah Brown has a new dog named Wally with her boyfriend, Adam Willard. Wally with her boyfriend, Adam Willard. Do we think that getting a dog with your partner means a proposal is eminent? Or not even eminent, but that you are like, is that, to what degree do we think that influences the level of commitment? I think a lot. I mean, it's one of those things. It depends how you look at it. I think it depends on, was it like, I'm adopting a dog

and my boyfriend is coming with me and supporting me or like, we are together adopting this dog. How did you buy the dog? Yeah. Is this a playing,

you know, because you could easily just call it playing house. Yeah. Right. You know, like, how does moving in together,

you know, like, people would be like, oh my God, like, I'm not getting, we're not moving in until I have a ring on my finger. Right.

And then you move in, you're like, I'm expecting a ring. Right. So who knows? Do they live together? I don't know. I do think regardless of what it says about their long-term success, I definitely think it's safe to assume that the relationship seems to be thriving in the present. You know? Right?

Does that make sense? Yeah. I'm happy for her too. Things could change in a week. Who knows? Or they could get together for 90 years. But getting a dog together is a big step. I really get so invested in everybody's relationship.

I'm so happy for her too. I don't know any of these people, obviously. I'm just a crazy fan. But I feel so happy for her. I don't know any of these people, obviously. You know, like, I'm just a crazy fan. But I feel so happy for her. I'm like, that's so great. Yeah. I'm so glad. I just really want to know

if she's still not following her sister-in-law. I love that. No, she is still not following her future sister-in-law, Haley Stevens. She is not. That story is crazy. I want to be like to the brother. Really?

Yeah. Weekly updates. I want to be like to the brother. Really? Weekly updates. I know. Like send them to a spa together to talk this out. Oh my God. Wait, so just to confirm, her brother is engaged to Jed's, the girlfriend Jed was with or whatever. Allegedly with. Allegedly with.

They're like hooking up with her, saying they love you to each other. I think the most disturbing part of that. How did that happen? Exactly. Yeah. As I'm just saying, this girl, 100%,

well, I guess that's not fair. Who knows how it happened, but it seems to me that she would have found a way to kind of connect with Hannah's family.

And that was really creepy to me. I'm like, that scares me. Or she should be buying lottery tickets. Yeah. Lightning. You know? Yeah. It's like, did they me. Or she should be buying lottery tickets. Yeah. Lightning.

You know? Yeah. It's like, do they meet on Hinge? Probably not. No. I feel like that's for,

and I have no insight. This is a total guess, but I feel like that's my, that could be Hannah Brown's frustration of a lack of maybe trust. Definitely.

Of like, how did you find your way into my brother's heart? Yep. And by proxy, now this girl who affected Hannah Brown's mental health or her story at the time inserted her, now has access to Hannah Brown. Yeah, like incredibly intimate access. She's spending Christmas with Hannah Brown.

I mean, it's really, really weird. And I think it's already something to navigate. Like when your sibling gets married, there's already something about like kind of loyalty to like the original immediate family and now like beginning a new one. So it's already a heightened situation. Oh yeah, that's already.

And we love our families, but we don't agree with their choices often. Right, not always. Yeah, totally. I remember when my brother got married, the main question everybody asks, do you like her? Like that's like the first,

I'm just imagining people asking Hannah Brown this and not knowing the whole story. I don't get to like have a say in who my siblings date. No way, of course not. Yeah. It's a lot. It's the story I'm most fascinated about in this.

Yeah, me too. That's great. That's great tea. So speaking of Hannah Brown season, Tyler Cameron is starring in a couple new shows. So we have him in Dirty Dancing. Is that a reality TV show? Or is it like it's like a Dancing with the Stars,

but on Fox? Is that what it is? It's like. Is that what it is? It's like... Is it a dance competition? Because there's other public figures in the lineup I saw. Yeah, okay, so apparently it's been around since 2007. Okay. And so eight couples compete to become the new Dirty Dancing Duo.

It's been around since 2007? According to the internet. That really, really surprises me. That really surprises me. Did it start in 2007? Like go away like a Joe Millionaire kind of thing? Because like Joe Millionaire came out in like 2002 or something. Yeah.

So, okay. So, I think the celebrity version is saying it's premiering February 1st, 2022. Oh, it's a celebrity Dirty Dancing. Yes. So I wonder if the competition has potentially existed as a civilian competition, and now they're taking it up to the celebrity level. So it's Dancing with the Stars, basically. Seems to be Dancing with the Stars, yeah.

I'm really surprised he's doing that. I have to say. Before it used to why because i feel like he's been so like specific about what he's done i feel like he's like really trying to like hold on to the gg hadid other echelon of you know like it just seems hard no yeah i guess so i guess so i mean sometimes holding on being specific is maybe just also not getting other opportunities. I have no idea. Yeah. But the SNL cameo was a big thing. Huge.

That's what I mean, I guess. I feel like, you know, like, I don't know. It just entices me. Managing one's career in Bachelor Nation is hard to do. He is also going on Celebrity Big Brother, which is an interesting choice of show. Yeah, like I also...

You both seem to be slightly critical of these career choices. No, I think it's more... I really just feel surprised. Interesting is the nicest possible way of saying, I don't know if I'd do that.

No, I know. It honestly just... Like he won't go on Paradise, but you know what I'm saying? Like I'm confused by that choice a little bit. That's a good point because it's a conversation

as old as time, well, as old as Bachelor Nation has existed in terms of like the playbook of clearly Tyler Cameron is trying to have like many of us a career,

some sort of career in entertainment, whether that's modeling, whether that's hosting, whether that's just being a personality, maybe some acting. He has tipped his toes in that water. and I'm the poster child for it, have been criticized for... Because Bachelor is about finding love and the audience is trained to say, you're here for the right reasons and it's for love, that even when Paradise is hardly that,

if you go on multiple times, everyone's just like, oh, you again? Oh, you know, like, and so it's, and I think that's why it's not like the real world and like road rules challenges

or like the challenge of the show or Celebrity Big Brother is that those shows, the premises come, come be on TV. Right. Where The Bachelor is, you're not here to be on TV. Right. Where The Bachelor is you're not here to be on TV. You're here for love.

Right. And I think the audience buys into that narrative. And punishes people who break it. So, yeah. And so I think Tyler's smart for not going on paradise because when it comes to bat show nation he will and we've talked about this before he can never be more likable it's he's he's top likable no i completely agree that's why i'm surprised that he's going on at the real i guess that's but i guess he's going to another audience I don't watch those shows it's another audience and yes

to your point it's not without risk in any reality TV show where you aren't in control of the edit and that's why I said

interesting for Big Brother is because I'm like that feels a little bit risky to go on a show that is all about like interpersonal dynamics and where you're like the whole premise

is that you're constantly being filmed as opposed to a show where you can have a little bit more like polish and control of your narrative that's a good point like i'm kind of surprised he's not the bachelor well i it's possible he most people i wouldn't believe but i would believe that tyler was offered and turned down but i also knowing what i know about their selection process i don't think he's ever actually been offered it. And I think he might actually turn it down. You know, I think both are probably true.

And if I were him, I would, he's one of the few people I would tell if he asked, he wouldn't. But if he did, I would tell him not to do it. Yeah, because you can't get more popular. No, exactly. I agree. I mean, if he was The Bachelor, in fact, I don't think it would be more than not more popular. I think it would go terrible for him because, yeah, we've mentioned this before, but Tyler Cameron, it worked on Hannah Brown's season. Once in a while, sprinkle in empowered woman. But when you say that to 30 women, it just sounds like a fuck boy. Yeah. boy yeah and yeah and every girl that woman that tyler breaks up with you know we when we're watching clayton there's a lot of like yeah i think we're warming up to clayton and of course

he's like a handsome guy and he is blessed in a lot of ways but like he's not tyler cameron in the like you know he's some women clayton is some woman's type and he's for other women, it's just not doing it for him, you know? And so when, if a woman breaks up with Clayton, we're all like, yeah, there's a lot of people like, yeah, I see it. And with Tyler, you would never see it. And so therefore he'd have, he'd, he'd have to pitch a perfect game to not be criticized for. And so you make an interesting point on Celebrity Big Brother. It's not about, you have an audience of men and women.

It's a little bit more diverse that way. And it's not about sweeping women off their feet. It's more about interpersonal relationships. women off their feet it's a more about interpersonal relationships and if it like he yeah he he could lose some of his shine for sure yeah but it is i think like to your point like it's a new arena it's a new audience so i think i think it's like it's an interesting move because i think it's like a little bit risky but i think there's a solid reward if he does it well he's done a good job of limiting people's access to him in terms of what they know about him. And he's kept like a bit somewhat of a mystery

about like his life. And the more you don't know, the more you can fantasize about what you do like. Exactly. And maybe it's just running out, like the attention's running. I don't know. I just, I really was picturing him

because he's like an author now. And he was always a model, but I feel like he's probably working. I don't know. I just, I really was picturing him because he's like an author now and he was always a model, but I feel like he's probably working more than he was before. I kind of really just thought he would really lean into like mysterious, hot celebrity.

Totally. Yeah, but why I'm not surprised he's doing it is that at some point, you know, like he's been off TV for a while.

Yeah, for sure. Yeah, maybe it's time. And yeah, he got a couple cameos for like a movie, but I don't know if he's been off TV for a while. Maybe it's time. And yeah, he got a couple cameos for like a movie, but I don't know if he's like studying acting or not.

And, or if he even, even wants to do that. Yeah. What is hot, mysterious, ex-reality TV star look like?

What's that translate? And how's that translate to like a career? But I mean, he could just be an influencer. Sure. So I think he's just be an influencer. Sure. So I think he's just trying, you know, I'm sure there's money involved in both of these projects.

Yes. There's also, for Big Brother, there's a $500,000 prize. But he's probably making low six figures just to show up. Do all reality TV shows have some kind of competition? Anything celebrity, like Dancing with the Stars yes. How about just being a contestant on The Bachelor do you get paid?

No. Zero dollars? Is that legal? Sure. Cool. I'm like how do you how do people afford the clothes? Yes.

And also what if you get eliminated night one and you bought so many gowns? You probably can sell it. I will say keep the tags on. Yeah.

I will say the producers absolutely tell you not to spend money you don't have because they say you could go home night one. So don't do that. I bet people give them close. Yeah, it's a different arena now. I don't know. Yeah, I mean, I'm sure some of the savvier contestants who get casted might try to work, hey i'm going on

this show and get some free stuff uh i think a lot of them might not out of fear of like because they that could get you eliminated also when we're talking about right reasons wrong reasons stuff like you can just see it like she's already looking at sponsorships like she's just like you know it's very quickly it goes down that path I'm guessing it doesn't happen all that much but I'm sure it has

you gotta keep it on the DL I guess yeah you gotta keep it on the DL maybe they just borrow clothes so like if you have

a friend who has like a boutique local boutique store you might do it but like a full on brand but you're like you might not like you're not partnering

with Shein yet random DMing people you don't know and hoping they keep your secret. Yeah, no, that's a good point. That would be a disaster

for them. Tayshia seems to be doing an Irish exit from Bachelor Nation. She has, she of course was not on After the Final Rose and she exited

both Bachelor Nation podcasts that she was contributing to. How do we feel it's a great mystery it's such a mystery people yeah

I mean I guess the only thing I know well I know a lot but you have so many secrets anyway how dare you bring

your biggest fan in here and dangle secrets in front of her Yuval I think you just gotta look at you know what it's just like you kind of put the puzzle together rachel lindsey used to host some of these podcasts and she has been openly critical of the franchise all while working for the franchise and she exited those podcasts while simultaneously being critical of them. And yet still had a gracious goodbye and send off and kind of like,

hey, it's been fun working with you. And despite her criticism of the franchise as a whole, there was a goodbye. Yeah. And there is not one here. And I don't think that's a coincidence. Are they trying to just make Caitlin the host of the Bachelorette and they just need one? I don't know.

I still think it's just going to be Jesse Palmer. Yeah, I think so too. But this is just a theory. That's just a total theory on my part. I think they just want to have one host. I think Caitlin's performance by herself at AFR opened the door for them to reconsider that. And I think

it was just really hard for Caitlin and Tayshia because they went into the hosting gig kind of being set up to look like giggly little girlies. Yeah, no, I completely agree. They were not positioned as serious. They were deliberately not positioned so that they might not be considered as potential replacements.

And two is so distracting. Every time the two of them would come out, I'd be like, that's too many people. Yeah, it was clunky for sure. For people who haven't speculated, it has nothing to do with her and Zach's breakup. I know that much. Yeah, that seems, no, of course. I heard that rumor floating around. And that she was the secret new bachelorette, which I didn't believe.

Well, if she was a new bachelorette, they definitely wouldn't be doing, they wouldn't be making it look like she might be fired yeah so there's that that's not a way yeah to go about it but the whole idea that like oh well she's no longer in a relationship and therefore she doesn't have value they replaced her with uh tia who's not in a relationship I think Tia is in a relationship but not with a bachelor not with a bachelor nation person they Becca Kufrin

who replaced Ellie Fedotowsky wasn't in a relationship at the time in fact no actually she was and then broke up with Garrett and still has remained

as host and and now she is dating Thomas but they certainly, I mean, they made them have a fake breakup on the show. I mean, as far as

Bachelor Nation is concerned, they're not even together. I love a Thomas comeback. I feel so vindicated because the whole of Katie's season, I was like, that guy is not a villain. Like, it's just like,

never for a second bought it and I feel so, so validated. And also speaking of Becca and Thomas, Thomas posted on Instagram with the hashtag Minnow's Daddy referencing Becca's dog. So like not only is it potentially like involved in a dog life,

but he's referring to himself as a dog dad. Well, I ran into Becca at the farmer's market. Yeah, Thomas was like getting bagels or something and so I didn't get to say hi to Thomas but they seem to be doing quite well. So happy for them too. I love it.

So yeah, I definitely don't think it has anything to do with Zach and Tasha but it's definitely, I was surprised. I think you're saying she was fired.

I think it's what you're... I don't know for sure if she was so I want to be clear about that. Okay. But if she left on her own accord, there's just no way she would have chose to handle it

the way that it was handled. Interesting. Yeah, it's just really hard not knowing what goes on behind the scenes. If there's any kind of like, what kind of treatment she's receiving and she strikes me as someone who's like very principled

and also very polished. So, I could imagine that she wouldn't have very much wiggle room if she felt like this franchise wasn't giving her exactly what she felt was appropriate for her.

Yeah, I can't see her like speaking out against, really. She seems like, like I agree with you. She seems very polished. I do know.

But being like, I'm going to remove myself. I heard, yeah, but then that's her quitting. But being like, I'm going to remove myself. I heard, yeah, but then that's her quitting. And see, that doesn't make sense. Because Rachel Lindsay had plenty to say and yet still

very graciously left the show. So it doesn't make sense. I don't know. I don't know. I heard she didn't love podcasting. But I just't know. I don't know. I heard she didn't love podcasting. But I just heard that. But again, that doesn't,

it doesn't, the only thing that doesn't make sense is why not say, hey guys, it's been fun. I really enjoyed it. I'm working on other projects. I have other dreams,

aspirations, maybe starting your own podcast. I don't know. Whatever it is. And just say, today's going to be my last episode. Absolutely loved working with you. I'll come back and be like a guest from time to time.

No, it's weird. It's weird. But just like... The abruptness. Yeah, and removing it from her bio. It's like, you know, when you break up with someone... Totally.

Yeah. So... Wow. Well, are you anti-Irish exits in general? From a bar, I think. Yeah, from a party. I love that. Love, love.

I think that's maybe why I'm like not viewing this as a negative thing because I'm like I love an Irish I'm such an introvert in that way where I can't wait to get home but that's I'm proud but this is different and it's also like not doing the big show of like everybody say goodbye to me like I wonder if that's part of it with like Tayshia feeling like because I do think it would be she's not like super prominent in the franchise right now and so it might I don't know maybe she was worried that if she did make some big exit people would be like okay no no definitely don't not okay hard okay disagree that's okay just tossing it out there trying to get the discussion the last piece of bachelor tea to cover today is that on february 1st andrew s and greg from

katie season are becoming roommates they're moving in together what a bromance good for them on February 1st. Andrew S. and Greg from Katie Season are becoming roommates. They're moving in together. What a bromance. Good for them. Where are they? New York, I'm assuming? They said,

coming to a city near you. What? New York? I'm biased. I love New York. I know Greg lives in New York. Andrew lives in Chicago. I don't know. I love New York too. I would vote for them to go to New York. I know Greg lives in New York. Andrew lives in Chicago. I don't know.

I love New York too. I would vote for them to go to New York if I were to give them a recommendation. I hope it's not Nashville. Is Nashville? I feel like that used to be the bachelor city and it's not anymore. Well, yeah, very much.

I think it's kind of, it's definitely, I think it's- On its way out? Well, no, I think it's kind of, it's- It's still there okay okay for sure sure nothing

nothing against Nashville Nashville has enough of Bachelor people oh no I mean don't try to save Nashville very small very small place Nashville

very small I love Nashville but it's I'm gonna guess New York I'm gonna guess New York yeah New York is the place to go alright should we get into the episode?

Yes. Let's do it. I have notes. Let's start with how things began. Clayton wants to know. He is asking Jesse, hey, can anyone do this? Can you do this?

I love Jesse Palmer's response. He's like, yeah, sure, man. Fuck it, man. Why am I here? There's no rules. The two of them as little twins is so funny to me. Just when he comes out, it's so funny. Like they just look the same.

My friend I was watching with hasn't been watching and she's like, I'm so confused. Like which one is The Bachelor? Well, technically both. I know it's easy to pile on, Cassidy. It's easy to pile on and rightfully so. But excellent TV. Excellent TV. You do not get that type of performance on The Bachelfully so. But excellent TV. Excellent TV.

Here's my thing. You do not get that type of performance on The Bachelorette. No, that's true. Well, I don't know. There's been some pretty dramatic people. She was all over the place. Yeah. I know what you're going to say, but you go.

And then... The kiss. The like fast kiss. Other shock. Yeah, I know. That was so bad. When she leaned in to kiss him. When he hadn't finished talking and it was like... Oh then that was so bad when she leaned in to kiss him when he hadn't finished

talking it was like oh that was brutal i watched these and same with same with uh shanae i can't help i just it's so much that i i well with shanae i think she's been drunk the whole time is that what it is because i was worried that she's not, that she shouldn't be on TV. Like I was like, this girl is a little. I suspect, you know, she's been home. And white wine drunk is a specific kind of drunk. It really emboldens it. Totally.

It really like emboldens it. It makes me want to run my mouth. Yeah, it makes you real sassy, white wine drunk. That's so true. And I think Sinead has been drunk the whole time. Okay, that makes a lot of sense. Total guess on my part. I think she is manipulating this two drink minimum rule

so that maybe, I don't know, maybe she's not eating a ton. I don't know, but my gut is that the white wine is affecting her choices. That makes so much more sense. That's really hilarious. That didn't even cross my mind. Yeah, of course she's drunk the whole time.

Because the behavior is so bizarre. It's so bizarre. She's, yeah. But Cassidy, I think it's equally as bizarre, but I don't know if it's the booze. Yeah. Here's the thing about Cassidy. I'm not like going to apologize for Cassidy

because I could talk plenty of shit about her if we need to but I straight up don't think her having a friend with benefits is that big of a deal. I really don't. I think the lying. It's a lie.

The lying obviously but if she had just been like when he confronted her if she just been like, oh yeah, I have a friend. It's just about sex. Neither of us want a relationship with each other but I really do want a relationship.

Therefore, I feel like then it'd be fine. It's the sloppiness combined with the lying. She's mic'd up, talking, bragging to another girl in the house about this relationship, giving no thought about what she's saying. Yeah, just dumb. And you're right. In the grand scheme of things, it's not a big deal.

Half those women there are like, shh. Yeah, just down. And you're right. In the grand scheme of things, it's not a big deal. Half those women there are like, shh. Yeah, same. Like, you know, maybe. There's at least a couple more.

And you know what? That's fine. You didn't know you were going to get casted on the show. The franchise is like, I don't know. We might bring you on.

We might not. Until you're literally getting on a limo, you're not on the show. I mean, you are told that. They are upfront about that. So why not have friends, have some sex. Good for you. It's all about the delivery and the, and the line because you're right. What is the difference

between Sally who is engaged and supposed to get married that day and someone who literally had some casual sex, nothing, or you could even argue that sally's was even more significant and clayton was begging for her to stay but that's i know it's all the presentation presentation yeah and it's and and she went about it in a way that made clayton wonder if he could trust her totally which i don't i by the way i don't think he can trust her like to be to be clear like she showed a million signs of you cannot trust me. So I don't blame him at all for sending her home. I just think for the sake of the debate about it, I just think the actual issue before the lying and the sloppiness is not really an issue to me. I think

who cares if she was sleeping with somebody before? I think it would be amazing if someone night one gets out of the limo, says whatever and in their first conversation they say can I be totally honest with you I didn't know what to expect I didn't know if I was getting on I didn't know anything about you first of all you're very handsome or you're very hot or beautiful whatever it is and I don't know what's going on here maybe it's this crazy environment but like I'm really like surprised how excited I am to be talking to you but I gotta be honest I I didn't think I would I thought I would show up and I I kind of had a casual fling with someone there's no relationship but like yeah I I want to start this off by being just completely transparent with you. I think that would be awesome.

And that would be amazing. I completely agree. And they would totally get away with it. And the bachelor or the bachelorette would all be like, all I know is that I can trust you because you can tell me your deepest, deepest, darkest secrets.

Yeah, totally. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And also just before somebody else can say it to him because it always is worse when it comes from someone else. Always. You know? In life.

You know, people call in and they ask, it's like, I'm doing this. I'm like, well, make sure they find out from you before they find out from anyone else. Because once they find out from someone else, it's over. It seems shady. Yeah. You can never rebound from someone else sharing your secrets,

the person your secrets are hurting. Yeah. That's such a good point. Yeah. Exactly. I also think part of it, like when we say sloppiness is because Cassidy had been someone

who talked so much about the strategy of the game and she was like, I have to develop a connection early because that's how you win. So I think it's also coming from someone who's like treating themselves like a mastermind and then really steps in it. It's like, especially like, come on.

Yeah, it's true. It's true. And also just the manipulation of that is really icky. Like that's an icky. That's icky to be that manipulative about this whole thing. Cassidy's clearly manipulative. Yeah, yeah. So, I mean, we were obviously slightly tough on Teddy.

Oh, yeah. In fairness to Teddy, there's a lot of... I think Teddy really handled herself very well on your podcast. She handled herself great. She was podcast. She handled herself great. She was great. She was amazing. Yeah, she did a good job. But there's a lot of

what we were critical of Teddy going on in this episode. Yes. So it's... Oh, yes. Yeah. We didn't see much

of Teddy this episode. No, she seemed... That's good news for Teddy. I feel like I... Okay, this is me being a crazy spy. Yeah. She seemed so miserable on the beach date,

but the show didn't even, like no one acknowledged it. And that made me think, okay, so she's going to be a favorite because like that could totally be framed as like, this girl won't even get into it or whatever. And I don't blame her. What's wrong with you, Teddy? Why don't you, that literally happened to me in the mime date in France.

It's like, I was like, this is fucking stupid. Do you ever say, like, just listen to what you just said and be like, when I was on that mime date in France. Right, right. I was like, this is fucking stupid. Did you ever say, like, just listen to what you just said? You're like, when I was on that mime date in France. No, trust me, I know. Yeah, no, it's very- I was looking at Teddy like, same. I would be like, oh my God, I can't do this like fake beach run. This is cringy, you know?

Yeah, that's exactly why it's great news for Teddy. Yeah. Because they still showed her. Ah, this makes me feel like I'm really good at- You had plenty of like, oh, there's Teddy. for Teddy because they still showed her. This makes me feel like I'm really good at seeing the facts. You had plenty of like, oh, there's Teddy. You're just being reminded that she's still in the house. But we don't really need anything from her.

She's had plenty of moments. She's gotten validation from Clayton. She's going to get the fourth or fifth one-on-one. Go ahead and say that right now. She usually could be yeah and yes she clearly didn't seem

like she was enjoying herself and that absolutely could have been used against her 100% oh you got the first impression Rose

you don't feel like you need to like embrace the beach date or whatever the fuck yeah somebody probably did say that and they just didn't even show it

you know 100% Sinead definitely said it yeah anyway Cassie goes home yes I'll never get over

that kiss on the cheek in the middle of the sentence that was oh that made me want to die it was so cringy like the definition

of not reading the room yep do you remember that Nick when she tried to kiss him yeah when like

Clayton's like mid sentence and she like before he finishes she's like kisses him on the cheek and it's just he was so obviously about to say but yes and she like before he finishes she's like kisses him on the cheek and it's just like

he was so obviously about to say but yes and she didn't let him you know it's uh she's like end it was

it was tragic we're you know we're talking about West Elm Caleb on Wednesday's show are you familiar with oh my god you gotta get into that

okay what is that just to give a very brief summary West Elm Caleb is a man who through the power of tiktok many women have compared notes and realized he's a periodic or he he's a habitual um some people are using the word love bomber but he will engage with women on dating apps say a lot of very complimentary very sort of intense things like he deleted his playlist he has a he has a routine

he has a literal routine it's he has one no and he has and he's like outed this is when the internet's amazing yeah

that's incredible it is but then it went too far yeah ruining his life doxing his personality and sharing personal information but there yeah

we'll be talking about it on tomorrow tomorrow's episode with one of his exes. Wow. And our guests. Because it's a phenomenon in terms of our behavior when it comes to dating now in relationships,

specifically dating apps. And the only reason I bring that up is because Cassidy, wondering what her behavior is and how she's going about, she was clearly trying to manipulate Clayton. She was trying to, I use this word very lightly, like almost gaslight. I know, I was going to say it.

Because she, yeah. I'm like, you're going to use the gaslight for no situation in the world. No, but when you think about it she was clearly being like her behavior was so bizarre

and getting Clayton to like she was yeah it was I probably shouldn't use that word but it was because she was so out of she was like selling Clayton is like her clearly bizarre behavior was normal and maybe she's not aware and that's why maybe it's not class lighting I don't know but I feel like she was also really trying to like set up this energy

of like this is us baby like we're dramatic like it's passion like yeah you know what I mean like I was like whoa like she was acting like it was like this was there yeah that's what I mean it was like this is no this is why why are what I mean. It was like, this is no, this is why. Why are you going to question me about this? Why would you do that? And it's anyway, she's gone. And I think. And oh, the irony that one thing that Hunter said was that she like Cassidy last night,

the night before the rose ceremony asked me what my exit interview. That made me laugh out loud. And then Hunter got a rose and Cassidy did not, the night before the rose ceremony, asked me what my exit interview would be. That made me laugh out loud. And then Hunter got a rose and Cassidy did not. Laugh out loud. I thought that as well. That made me like Cassidy. If she was saying like talking shit and trying to like… So what's your exit interview going to be?

Like trying to get in their heads. I think that's hysterical. But it was just so funny when the girl was like, yeah, she's mean guys. Like she asked me. It was so funny. I laughed out loud at that moment. Yeah. So it was just so funny when the girl was like, yeah, she's mean, guys. Like, she asked me. It was so funny. I laughed out loud at that moment. Yeah.

So good. We had the rose ceremony. So Cassidy went home before. And then Kate, who had a lot of talking heads. We saw a lot of commentary from Kate. I know. I was sad. I like her, like, sexy voice, too.

Yeah. She left, yeah. She got eliminated. So I'm wondering if, like, a paradise set up. Because they showed her a lot she's on selling or no she's not

she's the one who works she's the selling sunset I think I think that's her right I could be wrong

about that but I'm pretty sure that's her and I was bummed she left I was also bummed that NC maybe they found out

about selling yeah and they were like this is all a trick what I actually think is just Clayton's not into her and there's like three other women

who look exactly like her exactly like her exactly like her that's true I was bummed about NC she looks a lot like the pilot

flight attendant Rachel I think Rachel's gonna win I keep confusing her and Kate I'm also gonna go and say Rachel's gonna win I'm really

that's your pick that's my pick they're really giving her I feel like I can see the top four clear as day really

yeah I kind of get more of the that's it the Tetris for him but like not I feel like Clayton would pick someone

he thinks America should pick he think you know what I'm saying I feel like as in Susie yeah I think like Susie I think Susie's top two

yeah I think I think Sarah's top four Teddy top three I think he doesn't sleep with Teddy I think he sleeps with Rachel and Susie's top two. Yeah. I think Sarah's top four, Teddy top three. I think he doesn't sleep with Teddy. I think he sleeps with Rachel and Susie, and I think Rachel wins. That's my- I think Genevieve makes it pretty far.

Oh, Genevieve too. And Sarah. I think Sarah's a really- No, Sarah's top four, I definitely think. Oh, yeah, yeah. Sarah, she goes far. Yeah. Do we want to talk about the one-on-one or start with in chronological order with the

group date yeah the group date okay awesome so well you know before actually jesse palmer comes in to set the week up and says literally what i jokingly said he would say last week i mean he it was they literally gave him a card that said, Chris Harrison used to say this. Say it exactly. This week. Say it exactly like that. Because go back and play the tape. I'm pretty sure I nailed exactly what he's going to say.

He's going to warn him about their time. You better take advantage of this time. And also, this is proof that Clayton's taking it seriously because he sent some person home or whatever the fuck. But I have to say, the return to like unbelievable form is kind of cozy for me.

Like I feel like, especially with the world upheaval of everything we've all been through, there's something like very cozy about we're in the mansion. It's the same speech. I kind of like it. You know, I have to say.

It's kind of like, like good for them for being able to like, not even pretend that it's just a canned line. It's the same thing. Hopefully it shows you how serious Clayton is about this whole thing. My advice to you all, if you get time with Clayton, take advantage of it. You don't know when your last moment with Clayton will come. Yeah, I've heard that 3,500 times.

Every single time. Anyways, we get a group date so yeah so on this group date is Serene Susie Eliza Mara

Marlena Marlena Hunter Genevieve and Jill it's basically the same date I had on Caitlyn yeah

literally down to the circle down to like the dark I mean literally other than like instead of me like saying hey we want you guys

to talk about this Caitlin just kind of asked this one open question yeah are there things about yourself that you're not proud of

and listen I think a lot of people like the date on Katie's season I think they I think it would make sense for them to do a version of this date

every season because it allows you to fast track some more intimacy with the contestants. You get a lot of surface level things from most of them. And then they'll play the montage. You see the person talking with a voiceover, but you get a couple nuggets from a couple of the women that are personal. They gave us a trigger warning. I thought it was ironic that anyone noticed how they gave us a trigger warning. We didn't know what the trigger warning was going to be for. It turns out it was women talking about body images

and, and, and, you know, bad boyfriends making him feel a certain way. Yeah,

and like, yeah, emotional abuse. Yeah. And then, and then the show like low-keys shames Sinead

for eating too much shrimp. Oh, but I don't think that was because she was eating too much shrimp. I feel like it was because she, she stole all the shrimp. I, but I don't think that was because she was eating too much shrimp. I feel like it was because she stole all the shrimp.

I agree that it was definitely to emphasize that she was being selfish. But I also clocked that. I was like, that's not cool to have a tally of how much, like, you know what I mean? I mean, we're talking about

a household of women and they're like, one shrimp, two shrimp. I thought it was more about, because shrimp's like healthy. Isn't shrimp healthy? What do you think the bad boyfriends these women were referring to would do to make the, you know what I'm saying? What do you think a shitty boyfriend who makes their girlfriend

feel shitty about how they should look? Do you think they count their food? Probably. I actually thought it was a little strange. What really stood out to me was that they had this really emotional date about body image and then the next one-on-one they made Sarah get in her underwear and she was like shaking with anxiety about it. Like,

I actually really didn't like that. I didn't think the underwear. I thought that was stupid. I thought that she didn't want to do that. I thought she didn't want to do that.

I thought we were done with the useless nakedness. Yeah, because they're traveling. Yeah, they're traveling. I just didn't like it and I thought

she seemed miserable and I just thought it was weird. What are you supposed to do if you're her? She had to do it. I mean, definitely. She also, when they're traveling. I just didn't like it. And I thought she seemed miserable. What are you supposed to do if you're her? She had to do it. I mean, definitely. She also, when they say that,

at first, her initial reaction was, what if you're not wearing any underwear? I was like, I think she wore a thong to this day. Yeah, definitely. They definitely gave her that. They had matching underwear. Yeah.

She literally couldn't have been wearing the top with the dress that she had on. Yeah, definitely. I just thought that was, that to me stood out more than the shrimp moment, where it's this emotional date specifically about body image. And then it's like, surprise, get naked

and run around downtown LA. I just thought that was a little bit dense. I'm being a little critical with the shrimp. I mean, it's just more, there's this trigger warning and then they talk about it. And then, because I see the other side. In fact, it's another version of meatball story. It reminded me of a time, and I have a large family. I have a lot of siblings. And one time my mom made spaghetti and meatballs and my sister brought her roommate home from college and there's like 12 of us there.

Yeah. And her roommate like put like nine meatballs. We were all like, and then she ate one. And we were all like. Oh, and you were being too polite to say anything. Yeah, we just didn't say anything. That's funny. And it was just kind of like,

there's like 15 people and you took, because in the shrimp, there's like a house full of women. There's a finite amount of shrimp. Not to me, that was why. And Sinead is like, I don't give a fuck. I'm hungry. And yes, that deserves some teasing.

But I guess it's more like walking the fine line between The Bachelor trying to like put on the trigger warning and want credit for talking about this kind of like emotional stress that, you know, people have had when it comes to shitty partners. And then like 10 minutes later, we're counting shrimp. Yeah. The shrimp thing didn't stay. That's a good point. I completely thought it was just about how selfish it was being that she was taking all of Elizabeth's shrimp.

Yeah. I think the selfishness came across, but it also like it rubbed in the wrong way of being like, stop being trapped. That's a good point. Why are you counting how much? The other thing about that situation was that Elizabeth, who I think has like handled drama in a pretty resolute and classy manner, had the talking head of or the confessional of, I don't know what portions are like in Ohio, but this isn't a roadside buffet. Right. And after she said that, was like right yeah now we're talking about portion control also just incredibly condescending yeah you know in terms of like no it seemed like

it was like talking down about Ohio well totally it's all the framing right if it was hey there's 15 of us yeah and I made one for everyone to enjoy and like why are you stealing it all fine but when you talk about portion control because the other side of that argument

maybe Sinead is like you talk hey Sinead what the fuck what happened she's just like I don't know they were sitting there for like 45 minutes

no one fucking ate it yeah we don't know and she did make more and they were delicious yeah she made more and I love them and I love shrimp and maybe I can only

eat shellfish I don't know like there's a million different this always happens with the villain where it's like they're

they deserve criticism to an extent and then they pile up yeah the onslaught it starts to make me really uncomfortable because it just seems like

I see the like animalisticness of like what happens when a herd of men or a herd of women get together and like hate one

you know yeah 100% I guess it happened to you yeah so sad when a herd of men or a herd of women get together and like hate one, you know? Yeah, 100%. I guess it happened to you. Yeah. So sad. What do you think if you're in a situation where you feel like the house is against you, what do you think the best strategy is? Truly, I mean, it's easy to, you know, having gone through it, you don't know what to do.

Because in reality, what's most likely happening is that when shanae is not drinking and there's not a cocktail party or a date going on they're probably all getting along along like the shrimp stuff they probably no one gave a shit right like no one probably even noticed maybe one person noticed and then they talked about it in her itm and then they made they inserted it into the show and made it a theme and like it wasn't a thing you know what i'm saying like no one was talking about in that fight that they had later in the episode when chanel is like saying you guys are cuting me a bowling no one's really i mean she's like i made you shrimp that's the only time shrimp got brought up but no one like came after Sinead for eating all the shrimp and calling

her selfish or anything like that. You're so inconsiderate. We all wanted some and you ate it. No one used that. And so you don't even know. You know what I'm saying? You don't even know when or who to trust because I'd be willing to bet most of the time everyone's getting along. That's what's usually happened. It's like 95% of the time in the the time everyone's getting along that's what's usually happening there's like 95 of the time in the house everyone's getting along and i would never forget like when i was on any season i'd be like talking to these guys and then out of nowhere like in the middle of a cocktail party they like a couple would start yelling at me because they got primed you know they got primed up and maybe like they were annoyed by me and then they went in their ITM

and be like, I don't know if like I should trust Nick because like, Yeah. You know, and they got gassed up and that's what's going on

with Sinead. Yeah. Is she feeling the fire? For sure. Yeah. Is she saying bizarre things? I mean, comments.

And completely not helping herself of course and it's she's playing in their hands so beautifully I have to say I've missed a villain

like this like it's been a while we haven't had one in a while I know someone who will just like run their mouth like that

because Victoria was mean I didn't like Victoria as a villain the queen yeah I thought she was mean I didn't I didn't enjoy that it also made me sad

like how they would show shots of Victoria where like like she would have wardrobe malfunctions or like her bra would be didn't enjoy that. It also made me sad how they would show shots of Victoria where she would have wardrobe malfunctions. Her bra would be showing and I'd be like, this makes me sad. That was also mean.

But Sinead doesn't make you sad? Because Sinead makes me more sad than Victoria. I think probably in the real world, I'd be more... Sinead makes me sad in a different way.

Yeah. How so? I'm a little... Okay, I'm a little bit more worried about Sinead. I feel like Victoria was very self-aware of what was going on. I feel like Sinead...

She didn't get back and have no clue what happened. I just am not sure she really should be on TV. I feel like she... Maybe she's just drunk. I hope she's just drunk. I think she's drunk. When you said that, it made me feel better. Because when I watched her last night,

I was like, are we watching somebody's mental illness be exploited? You know, like I. I think it's she's. Okay, good. I really, really hope. Because then I could feel safe to just laugh at it and feel fine about it. You know?

Yeah, I think there's like a tiny bit more like, yes, I don't think Victoria is like a self-aware person or didn't come off that way on the show. But there's something about like knowing I am the queen and almost doing this character thing versus Sinead. Like, I think it's just like a really, like it's just really hard to watch her have such an incorrect take on what's happening

and feel so like vindicated in it. Yes. Because it's just like, I think that's what makes me cringe. Her reality is skewed. Yeah. And I'm like, and it's just like i think that's what reality is skewed yeah and i'm like and it makes me like also and i maybe i am probably forgetting some of victoria's stuff but i think like some of the social stuff where she's like with elizabeth how she's like not getting it she's like but you don't talk to and it's like that made me really like that felt like a ninth

grade kind of like you don't understand that like not everybody wants to be your friend yeah i guess but i think it's a combination of what we suspect is liquor wine whatever and the insanity of what it feels like to have the house turn against you even if the house is quote-unquote justified because shanae's behavior is bizarre and yes shanae is not doing herself any favors and she is going after elizabeth and i boy i feel for elizabeth yeah me too why elizabeth i feel like i'm missing something like who knows but i really feel for elizabeth me too and i and and so i think shanae a combination of she's not regardless regardless, Sinead, most people aren't equipped, I don't know if anyone is,

to handle feeling like an outsider in that house that early on. No, definitely. She's inebriated most like we're guessing. And so, yeah, I think it's just a combination of all of it. And I think Sinead, my hope for Sinead is if sober Sinead, who's not being thrown into this completely impossible environment, won't have to know how to handle this. So she wouldn't act this way in normal.

Because she is trying to fight fire with fire, right? That's all she's really doing. She's being attacked and she's trying to attack back. She feels like the best defense is a strong offense. Yeah. Terrible idea. But like, that's what she's trying to do. The best defense is calling everyone you're living with bitches.

Yeah. I think the other thing also is Victoria, to me, seemed like she wanted to cause the drama in the house. Sinead feels completely unaware that she is the villain. Am I giving her too much? I think you're giving me a little bit too much credit. house. Shanae feels completely unaware that she is the villain. Am I not giving her too much? I think you're giving me a little bit too much credit. Because she clearly in these ITMs

is kind of embracing it. That part seems a little edited to me. That could have been about anything. I bet she sounded like she was talking a joke. Right. Or like Shanae She's going to get a lot of heat right that like she nailed like she's gonna get a lot of heat for they made it seem like she uh they made it seem like she consciously lied about elizabeth

that she made it they they it came across to me i don't know about you two that when she went to clayton said hey the bullying's still going on, and she cried, they made it seem like that was a total performance on the part of Sinead. You guys didn't remember? Yes. Yes. It was...

Yes, but I believe that Sinead thinks she's being bullied. No, I know, but what I'm saying, when she gave that, when she said that to Clayton... It was so manipulative. The edit, what we saw, made it seem like that she knew what she was saying, that was deliberately manipulative, that she was just flat out lying. That's how they made it seem.

And then I agree with you that like when she's talking to the women she believes that she is being victimized and i bet it doesn't it doesn't compute so i think there's some creative editing editing yeah i think like kind of in every group dynamic i've ever been in like i always feel like there has to be like the common enemy to an extent you know what i mean like that's that's kind of like a harsh way to look at things but i feel like every family vacation i've been on or every trip with boyfriends and their friends, like there was always like a one person that kind of got shit talked, you know? And I feel like that just happens in a group environment.

And Sinead is probably, she probably, I'm not saying she's, I'm not sure she's getting bullied. I think she's being manipulative and exaggerating and frankly is possibly bullying herself, like bullying Elizabeth. But I do believe that she might be like the common enemy in the group

and she's the one who's getting excluded I bet to her it feels like bullying yeah I think she I think she thinks she's getting bullied I think to me

it's just like whenever she mentions ADHD that's when it sort of I stop feeling bad for her I'm like

no she's she's kind of she's being mean like she's not being nice yeah 100% it's a it's a fascinating kind of situation because she is both, I can empathize with how trapped she might feel,

and I can empathize with, while I don't think she's being bullied and bullying is such a trigger word these days, Yeah, totally. I still can empathize why she might feel that way. Definitely. And that it's a legitimate feeling. And then she is being gassed up to like express herself in a way that's completely not productive for her. But yes, at the same, and then, but she, and then you flip it.

Yes, she's made her own bed. She's saying these things where like, I mean, if you're asking me if I'm team Elizabeth or team Sinead, it's like not even, it's. Of course. Yeah. Team Elizabeth. Yeah. Team Elizabeth. Yeah. But I, but I do understand. This is what I'm saying where I, somebody is awful and I'm like, oh my God, they're awful. And then everybody starts to talk about how they're awful. And I started to feel bad for them, you know? So that's really all it is. Like Sinead started it, but I feel bad for her at the same time. Yeah's a toughie yeah so we had on the the circle one-on-one you know with the

feelings and whatnot after in the cocktail party I feel like we saw a lot of like really we got to really see which relationships were progressing especially Clayton and Eliza

him and Serene Serene is so hot I think she's one of the most beautiful women I've ever seen on the show they have some very striking women she is beautiful

oh my god casting popped off really and then who got the group date rose Eliza Eliza also very striking

I love Eliza that surprised me she's very cute she's very cute she seems very sweet yeah it feels like her like I think sometimes

it's very hard for so much positivity to come off as authentic and And yet with Eliza, it really does. I agree with that. She also, like, she got sidelined last week. Yeah, didn't get a date. And handled it like, well, you didn't really see her because of how well she handled it until she talked to Clayton and then used her time with Clayton not to talk about why Clayton didn't put her on a date but just to get to know Clayton very significant that they either

A. chose to air that or that that's all she talked about because most people use their time to be like well I went in the day

I felt really insecure in fact oh yeah that's who else Rachel Rachel was being manipulative with Clayton this week wait what did she say

I forget it was she just they all do this thing where they lay over, they get really comfortable, and they just talk about how insecure they're feeling when he's talking to all the women, and I just want to hear it. Manipulate's going to be your new gas light with all these women on this show.

And again, I use that word lightly, but I say manipulative because I think they know exactly what they're saying. And they're trying to elicit a particular response from Clayton. That's not the conversation you saw with Liza last week, where it was just a conversation

between two people. One person asks questions, the other person respond. And it's just like, and with Rachel's conversation, why I was, you know, well, hold on, Teddy, the other week. It's just like, I want to tell you how I'm feeling

because then I want you to do some about that. And they've both used words like validation. They're openly saying, validate me. Yes. And it doesn't get you anywhere. Yeah. It gets you attention. It doesn't get you closer

and it does not build a connection. I think this could get, I'm not trying to like ever victim blame, obviously, but sometimes I feel like Clayton is possibly easy to manipulate. Yes.

And I think that they can tell. I think they can tell. And I think that, you know, that's one of the reasons why this, this season feels like a return home in a way to The Bachelor for me where,

and this is nothing against Clayton. I think he seems very nice. I think he genuinely wants a wife and a family. And I love that for him. I think he'll be a great partner and everything. But he is kind of like this brutally average guy getting chased by unbelievably beautiful. It just like feels like such a microcosm for dating, you know, like that's what it feels like a lot of the time is like these

really amazing women focused so intensely on, does he like me? I don't know how many of them are asking, do I like him? You know, cause he's, he seems like a great guy, but he's just, he's a great guy. And these women are kind of exceptional. What's really interesting the way you say that is that, and that why I'm using the words manipulative is because I agree with everything you're saying, except the only reason they're not asking, do I like him? Because I don't think they care because they're on The Bachelor and they aren't there for the right reasons. Right, right. Am I the only one who's charmed by Clayton?

No, I think he, I don't want to be a bitch because I do think he's really sweet and I think he's going to be a fantastic partner. I think he'll be a great dad. Like,

he's a catch in that way. Yeah. And we're going to start coming around on Clayton on this show because it's no longer

his fault he was casted. He is our bachelor. And he is delivering a very entertaining season. Oh, fantastic. And the lead is very responsible for that. Whether they are just, they're easy going to work with producers being like, they might just be like,

hey, listen, I don't know. I like three women. I don't give a fuck. Totally, totally. I get it. They just go along with it. Maybe they're just there to be nice and whatever. And Clayton is so far being an excellent bachelor if you are in it for the entertainment value

and the drama. And he's been amazing. Yeah, he's been amazing. And I like him. I like him. It's being a bachelor. And I say this very jokingly. It's a thing. It's being a bachelor. And I say this very jokingly. It's a thankless fucking job.

Yeah. And he's going to be fine. Your only thanks, 25 beautiful women. His face when all those women were running to him. We have Rozzy literally saying how incredibly average he is. And a lot of people not disagreeing with him. And listen, Clayton is 6'4 and handsome. And he's a very blessed individual.

And we can also fairly call him incredibly average. Right? And so that's what I'm saying. And it's become this because, you know, as a society, we're becoming smarter daters and self-aware and learning about boundaries and expectations. And it's a, an audience of primarily women who are learning about boundaries and

expectations and being like, why do I fucking care? Why do I care? And these guys were watching on TV are representing all the bullshit. Yeah. That like the women who watch it have put up with, and it's become a job it's perfect for and Clayton is doing an amazing job as what whatever his assignment is you could argue

he's doing a great job I mean it's just unbelievably relatable like I just it just is so that's the brilliance of it it's it's just it's just like you said like it's every woman in America is like why the fuck am i so concerned if this random guy likes me like look at me why should i you know whatever like i think it's a very it's a really um that's why i keep saying the word cozy it's like a very familiar feeling well yeah right and and the only reason rachel what i would argue that these women care is not because of clayton because they because they're competing. It's because- And they want to be liked.

I want to, it could be a tree. As long as the tree likes me more than likes you, I'm happy. Which is very human. It's very human. We all like, it's ego. Yeah, yeah. It's human. And I don't judge them for it, really. I also think Clayton is very self-aware and that makes me like him even more. His face, when all those girls were running to him on the beach, was like, I cannot believe this is me. Like he knows. He doesn't think he deserves this. Another way of saying it too, I think he's comfortable with who he is and he just hopes that's enough for America, Bachelor Nation, whoever he picks. And that is a

very charming part. Which I love that. I really do like him. I think that he is very self-aware. He doesn't take himself too seriously. He doesn't think i was made to be the bachelor i think he's like holy shit this is awesome i'm gonna do the best i can except i i gotta tease him one more like the suntan the singing burn no no it's when he's too ready to tease it's when it's when he with the straightest of faces says says to Sarah on the one-on-one, I mean, I know I'm Clayton the Bachelor, but, you know, it was like,

it was him probably, it was like, I'm just a normal guy. You know, it's like, we know. For me, the sunburn was too much. The sunburn, I was like, come on. What can you do about the sunburn? No, come, somebody,

like, don't let him get the sunburn. Yeah, that's true. Get some lotion on that guy. I mean, it was just mean. I was like, the sunburn. But about the sunburn? No, come, somebody, like don't let him get the sunburn. Yeah, that's true. Get some lotion on that guy. I mean, it was just mean. I was like the sunburn. But isn't he right? You know, his producers really should have been on that.

They should have been on that. It was just so brutal. By the way, speaking of the sunburn, Gabby is my favorite. I love Gabby. I want more of Gabby. Okay. Love her.

I think she's so funny. I think she's weird in a great way. I think she's- She's fine. Oh my God, I love her. She like really makes me laugh. I think she's weird in a great way. I think she's… She's fine. Oh, my God. I love her. She, like, really makes me laugh. She's such a weirdo.

Yeah. I don't have an opinion of Gabby, I guess. When they first showed her conversation with Clayton, it felt like there was something to me that felt, like, really off about it. Like, I was like, oh, my God. Is this one of those, like, awkward conversations sent home on a group date? And then, like, the second you see them… And then it, like, very quickly pivots.

Like, wait, they're having so much fun fun and I agree that she's like I just like when they don't when they're not taking it too seriously I always am drawn to that I think she's funny I think she's having a good time I think she's I keep saying weird but I just appreciate the weirdness I feel like we all have some friends who are like oh my god you're so funny like an alien yes and I feel like Gabby is like that. She's like, it was really crazy when that happened. I'm like, I love you. You're so weird

talking like that, you know? Yeah. I won. Like, I just like her. I think she's bizarre. And the CPR bit of the challenge when she just like leaves and is like, he's alive.

Yeah. And just like walks by him. Did they, they skipped over the part where they told the women to like be erotic when giving. Yeah, that was.

What? Thank you for bringing that up, Nick. They're like, we're teaching you CPR. They're like, I want to do CPR. And all of a sudden, they're just like catwalking

over to this dummy. And like. Straddling. Which I'm fine, but I just, why didn't, why didn't they like offer some context?

I don't know. That was really weird. But like, let's have some fun with it and blah, blah, blah or whatever. They all looked really hot. I thought that all the girls looked so beautiful on that date.

I'm looking at this sheet and it is amazing how much Hunter, Lindsay, Rachel. Look the same. Elizabeth sometimes. Yeah, Elizabeth sometimes. No, it's true. That's really it. Blonde, blonde.

Like so similar. I know. It's true. Maybe that's why. Yeah, it's. Yeah, Kate. Kate, know. It's true. Maybe that's why, yeah, it's, it's. Yeah. Kate,

Kate. Yeah. Oh yeah. Kate, Hunter, Lindsay and Rachel, like cousins. Definitely.

Kate had to go. One of them had to go. Slowly but surely, they're chipping away. You know, if Rachel's going to get her story arc, you can't be confusing her with Kate. No, totally.

It's too much. It's too much. Is Lindsay even on still? Lindsay's on. Lindsay, to me, is like, I'm watching her have this close to a breakdown. I'm just waiting for her. She just seems like she was constantly falling apart. I don't know if she did cry, but she was on the verge of it. Genevieve too. They're both just like on the verge at all times. I feel like at any moment, Genevieve. In fact, once Sinead goes home, I could see the house turning against Genevieve.

I mean, I tend to be very wrong with my predictions. I really think Genevieve, I think she's like, I think she just strikes me as like someone who doesn't feel like TV,

like, like just feels like a very real person to me in a way I can't quite articulate. She just seems like she's, I don't know. I just see like a very real person to me in a way I can't quite articulate she just seems like she's I don't know I just see like

on her verge of I can like I don't I don't know if this is a compliment or a criticism I can literally see her crying at Paradise

I can like see her face on the beach like I'm certain I'm certain she's already cried in the bathroom a handful of times that just didn't air it

because right now we're focused on Cassidy and Sinead. And my favorite thing about this show is every time a villain goes home and the women or the men band together and be like, oh, finally the drama's gone. And I'm just laughing and being like, you're going to find someone. Somebody else to hate.

And Genevieve like again if she is crying in the bathroom totally understandable I empathize but I could see the house you know saying how dramatic she is and she makes it all about her whatever you know it won't be anything like actually like real right or a valid criticism of someone, they will just turn on someone like a virus turns on their host. It's high school. And that's what... I don't know who it's going to be. It will be somebody.

It will probably be more than somebody. Yeah, I wonder. But Sinead is going home next week for sure. For some reason? I don't know. You only can get so much crazy out of it. I'll get bored of it. I hope she does, frankly. I'm getting over it.

We're getting to that point where like Clayton's going to, you're making Clayton choose. Because the longer. And he doesn't seem to really care about her. The only reason, like, you know, if you rewind and go back to my season with Corinne.

Out of the gate, she came out strong. She came out just like Sinead or Cassidy or a combination. You combine the two and you had strong she came out just like shanae or cassidy or accommodate you combine the two and you had corinne who was just way funnier at delivering some of these lines that's like again more self-aware but but corinne toned it down you know eventually she was able to win the house the women in the house quite liked corinne you-hmm. You know, you don't see that. So like if the women continue to like really not like Shanae, Clayton will just look sillier and sillier for keeping her around. She either is gonna have to like have a drastic turn and like a bunch of the women like be

like, oh, Shanae's cool. Like she's like, it's just the drinking or whatever. That's not gonna happen, I don't think. Yeah.. That's not going to happen, I don't think. Yeah, she doesn't have a nanny. I don't think Clayton's into her. I think she has a very specific assignment and that assignment is about to run its course. And it's running its course, yeah, totally.

And they will find it with someone else. Yeah. My favorite Sinead quote from the episode was she was like, everyone's always celebrating everyone. I don't get it. It's like fair. Honestly, fair. She made me laugh.

I was entertained. For sure. Sarah had another. It was right up there with, I know I'm Clayton the Bachelor, but I think it was Sarah. I forget the line, but it was, I'm just glad that you think. Like Clayton told me how he thinks his feel and I think and feel the same way he does and it just makes me feel good that we're thinking and feeling about the same thing

it was something that generic Sarah actually said something that actually I thought was very sweet when she got kind of emotional on their date and she said something I wrote it down

you're already special to me and it's weird but it's cool and I thought that was cute I thought that was it felt real it felt like a real sentence that somebody would say

yeah I thought that was sweet in conclusion do we was, it felt real. It felt like a real sentence that somebody would say. Like speaking from the heart. Yeah. I thought that was sweet. In conclusion, do we have any final notes? My final note was that it was potentially making it look like, if not a two-on-one,

like he was going to have a conversation with both of them. Oh. I think it's too early to set up a two-on-one between Elizabeth and Sinead. Okay.

It's not, it hasn't officially ended. Like, I feel like Sinead makes it one more week. No? Maybe not. It's possible. I'd be surprised. You think she goes home?

Yeah. I think she goes home. I think, I don't think Clayton. Likes her. Likes her at all. Have we seen? No. The kiss was uncomfortable when she, I think she really.

And I think it's too, I think it's too early for this to turn into a two on one yeah it's only episode three haven't they am I going crazy or was there one time where before

a cocktail party they took aside two contestants who had beef and was like we're gonna like we have a rose and one of you staying

one of you is going oh that did happen I can't remember what season though I forget too I kind of hate the structure where the rose ceremony is at the top of the episode I know I don't like that I want to know I want to know I want some finality I yeah it's fine I know I completely agree I'm like I want I'm like how dare you not want to end with the toast yes the only thing is I kind of hate opening up

an episode with the rose ceremony. It feels weird. It throws me off. It's anticlimactic. Like having the rose ceremony at the top. Yeah, but that's the thing. And I think why it's okay

is because rose ceremonies this early aren't climactic. That's true. I'm a little... You know what I'm saying? When's the last time you've gasped in the fourth rose ceremony when there's still 17 people left? No, it's true.

Like, there's no big surprises. That's true. Like, if someone goes home, if there's a shocking goodbye, it doesn't happen at a rose ceremony. It happens because, like, Clayton pulls Jesse aside and says, hey, like, has anyone ever done this before? Right. Because, like, I just found out that this person has a fuck buddy and they're lying to me. It's not until it's on the final four

where you ever have, even then, a climactic rose ceremony. So that's why I think it works. And as I've always said, if they have to be continues, it means they have a lot of good stuff. Right. It's a great season. It's a great season. great season it's a great I'm really loving it I'm really loving it it's good the fact that they've had two cliffhangers in three weeks is a great sign here's my question to come this season and I've heard I've heard it sorry sorry go ahead I've heard it's the producers think it's one of their best oh fuck yes oh that's

awesome that gets me so excited because I was actually just gonna say sometimes I'm like I've heard it's, the producers think it's one of their best. Oh, fuck yes. Oh, that's awesome. That gets me so excited. Because I was actually just going to say, sometimes I'm like, Clayton is so good at being like the, you know, the canvas for all this drama. I sometimes worry that when it comes down to the more, you know, he's really in the relationships

and it's the final four, three, two, whatever, like can it have the same? I don't. Yeah, I agree. I think whoever Clayton picks has a good chance it might not work out. Well, yeah, the three I loved use. Like, that's a real hurdle to get through in a relationship. Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. It's interesting that you said that because what did Clayton say? It was with Sarah. And he said to Sarah, I don't think I could have done this with anyone else. And I thought in that moment, well, unless you pick Sarah, I cannot wait till you watch this with your future fiance. And it's this little bullshit like that. Totally. That like when you get engaged to someone and they choose to watch it, which most of them do, a couple couples have adopted not to. And you don't think you could have done that with me? And then they'll say something like, well, I just had to.

I was a bachelor. I don't know. And that usually just doesn't fly. And it's… Were you really conscious of that throughout your season? Like making sure not to say those? Yeah. Yeah, that's smart. I don't know if I always did? Like making sure not to say those? Yeah. Yeah, that's smart.

I don't know if I always did, but I still had to have those conversations. Because I bet you kind of get so deep in the rabbit hole that you probably forget to an extent what happens after. I was more careful about not saying things to the women that I wasn't going to pick out of not wanting to lead them on and feeling like a hypocrite having felt led on totally I was more self-conscious about that than having to worry about like you know like getting shit for jumping in a trampoline

right with Corinne from Vanessa, which I got. Right. And I didn't want to do it, you know, but, like, whatever. But I don't know if I was, like, worrying about every little thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. How can you? Out of fear, like, Vanessa would say something. Right. But I was careful about what I said.

Yeah, because Clayton is someone who's so in the moment and it's like clear that like whoever's in front of him he just wants to make them feel good he is so in the moment

and like a similar line he had was like during the Rachel situation when she was like I feel like I'm getting validated and I feel like our connection is different

than everyone's Clayton like has this big grin on his face he's like yes that is correct which is like I think when we're getting front like winner energy it's like yes that is correct which is like I think when we're getting front

like winner energy it's interactions like that I also think she's the one who's sobbing on the stairs in that in the in the teaser when it's like after the I slept with

both of you yeah it's Rachel okay again I have absolutely no spoiler I'm like a I could totally I feel like Rozzy gave us

do you want to recap final four oh sure yes like hometown please and like winner this is what I think I think I feel like Rozzy gave us, do you want to recap final four? Oh, sure. Yes. Like hometowns and like winner. This is what I think. I think number four, Sarah. Number three, Teddy.

Number two, Susie. Winner, Rachel. And I'm going against Jimmy Kimmel, which is- What did he say? He said Susie. Wins. Yeah. But I think Rachel wins.

And I think, because I think Rachel is more into Clayton than Susie is my impression so far. And I think Teddy might be the Batserette. I would have said Susie, but she just looks too much like Hannah Brown. Isn't that weird to have the Batserette that looks exactly like the recent Batserette? I mean, Hannah Brown is very popular. That's true, actually. That's a good point. Maybe it's a good thing.

Yeah, I don't know. I just think people are going to really like Teddy. Teddy also has a queen of paradise energy. She's got a Serena queen of paradise energy to me. Totally. Yeah. All I know is they know who they want for their next bachelorette. Do they know before it starts, usually?

My understanding is they know who they want it to be. Which isn't always the case. Right. Sometimes it's, let's see how the season plays out. Sometimes they have like two or three people they like. They're not really sure. But when they're casting Bachelor, they usually know which one. My understanding is they have a clear front runner.

That sort of like, you know, things come up and things change, but they have a clear frontrunner of who their next bachelorette is, is my understanding. Wow. I love this tea. Nick, what's your top four? I think it's really solid. I don't know if I have enough conviction about a top four to try to like…

Are you intimidated by my intense conviction? It's a really solid… I think after last week talking to Teddy, I feel like she kind of gave herself away speaking in past tense. I definitely did not. Unless she was like, I'm going to trick this motherfucker. Which would have been dope of her.

If you're with Clayton now, Teddy, props to you. You manipulated me. Yeah. Well, Michelle was good at it. Michelle was great at that. Michelle was an amazing poker face. That was different.

It was more of a poker face and less of a, I'm going to slip actively. I'm going to make it seem like I fucked up to trick you. If that's what she did, then she is very manipulative. Smart and strategic. I'm honestly like rooting for it yeah me too

me too but so I don't think Teddy wins and I even low-key got a vibe that like

the fantasy suite hope and expectation I have isn't I don't think there's going to be I lost my virginity in the fantasy suite either I don't think but I think to be I lost my virginity in the fantasy suite either

I don't think but I think she goes to the fantasy suites maybe but I think he only sleeps with two yeah I think we will be on like if you're looking for this big bet like never happened before a moment of the virgin losing a virginity in the fantasy suite I don't think that's going to happen really smart to me and I'm not saying that it wouldn't be smart to do that I think it has nothing to do with intelligence. But I feel like she might be very aware of like the attention that would get and maybe not want

to put herself in that situation. She knew it would get her there. Yeah. But she didn't. Exactly. And she knew she didn't need to follow through.

Of course. Yeah. Yeah. Like she. Yeah. Brilliant. Really brilliant. Yeah.

Sarah. I think Sarah's four is a really solid pick. I also really want to go to her family because she's adopted. I don't think we've ever seen that in The Bachelor. But- I'm embarrassing myself with how much I know. Do we know, did Clayton sleep with three or two? I think he slept with two because I remember, I think it's unclear,

but I'm pretty sure he was like, I want to be honest with you guys. I was in love with her and I'm in love with both of you guys i was in love with her and i'm in love with both of you i was in love with her and i slept with both of you i think is what he said i don't think he said i slept with all three of you which is why i don't think i think it's a i think sarah not getting to the fantasy suite is a good pick because i think there's a strong physical connection there yeah and and i think sarah would sarah was like giving Clayton fuck me eyes at the 101. Totally. Totally she was.

I noticed that too. Just giving him like eyes. And I feel like, you know, if Clayton, it would be a very tempting situation for Clayton. And so she's either one of the two. Right. Or actively not. Or actively not. Or actively not. Yeah.

So it's like, I can, Rachel, Susie, and Sarah, I have no clear. Yeah. Yeah. But I like them as a top four. I'm just like, who else? I mean, I guess you're saying Genevieve is an alternate. Yeah. Genevieve is an alternate. Yeah.

Genevieve is an alternate. That could be a surprise. She's got paradise face to me. Which doesn't mean that she can't be that. Paradise in the face. Serene. Paradise face. Yeah.

Serene, I think. Oh, yeah. That's a great point. But I don't feel like they have that much chemistry. I don't think they do. I think she is unbelievably beautiful. And I think he's like, you're too hot for me. Yeah.

Kinda. Yeah. You know? I think he's just like, I don't even know what to do with this. Yeah. Thank you so much for coming.

Oh my God. Are you kidding? Has my dream come true? Please let my audience know where they can enjoy your music, follow you, all that fun stuff. My music is everywhere

you listen to music. You just look up Rozzy or ZZI and the first half of my album came out last year. fun stuff my music is everywhere you listen to music you just look up Rozzy R-O-Z-Z-I and the first half of my album came out last year it's called Him for Tomorrow

the second half is coming soon and you can follow me everywhere at thisisrozzy amazing yeah I was listening to it

on the way to work it rocks thank you would recommend thank you so much we appreciate you guys all listening hope you enjoyed this episode

be sure to subscribe rate us five stars on Spotify now too yes not just Apple not just Apple but also Apple be sure to tune in tomorrow

if you've been following West Elm Caleb drama we'll be talking about that talking to one of his exes but also just talking about dating app behavior and this climate that we have

yeah like can you say the same thing to multiple people yeah our guest Morgan Cohen Dating app behavior in this climate that we have. Yeah, like can you say the same thing to multiple people? Yeah. Our guest, Morgan Cohen, will be joining me to break this all down. She is a very thoughtful, young personality on TikTok, talking a lot about dating and relationships, refers to herself as the big sister of TikTok. Really love, I love her insight on TikTok, and she'll be joining us to help break down

all the West Elm Caleb drama and a larger discussion about our dating app etiquette and that all the men's fault as a collective. I'm interested in that. There's a lot, yeah, there's been a lot of conversations

around like, because at first it was like, fuck West Elm Caleb and then it was, wait, aren't we all like, this response is a little too much

because we're all sloppy. We're all, I'm sure, I mean, I haven't been on a dating app in a minute, but I feel like I probably

said the same thing to multiple people. Of course. I'm sure I did. dating app in a minute, but I feel like I probably said the same thing to multiple people. Of course. I'm sure I did. Of course. You know? But maybe not verbatim. Yeah, I think, yeah, we'll break it down.

So be sure to tune in that episode. Razia, thanks so much for joining us. Thank you for having me. An absolute delight. Really enjoyed having you on. And also episode two of mediation with Morgan. So if you are having fights with your partner and you, whether it's video games,

taco night, or the silly things we fight about as couples, you will enjoy our mediation segment. That's on Wednesday now. And be sure to sending your questions. If you're having a fight and you want a couple of non-experts giving your thoughts on your fight, email us at asknickatcastme.com.

Cast with a K. Other than that, see you tomorrow.