The Viall Files - E388 Bachelor Recap With Elyse Myers

Episode Date: March 1, 2022

Today we are joined by the hilarious TikToker and Bachelor Fan, Elyse Myers! On this episode of Bachelor Recap we dive deep into all the drama surrounding hometowns. With the pressure building as we approach the final three, we gauge our predictions on who Clayton will pick or if anyone will stay after all of the drama unfolds. We start off by talking about some Hot Goss after some of the ladies of Clayton’s season post stories of a “F*CK Shanae” sign during a night out. We then talk about the best family members from hometowns, Clayton getting his butt kicked on a date, and faking to the contestant’s parents that their daughter will be the one. We then dive into how the final four shoot for twice as long as everybody else and how the show is a pressure cooker of emotion.  “There are things she said that made my heart so sad.” Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes.  Check out our new "Introvert" merch at http://www.viallfiles.com today! THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Helix Sleep: Helix is offering up to 200 dollars off all mattress orders AND two free pillows for our listeners at http://www.HelixSleep.com/VIALL  Peloton: Visit http://www.OnePeleton.com to learn more.  Episode Socials:  @viallfiles @nickviall TikTok: @elysemyers IG: @elyse_myers See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

What's going on everybody? Welcome back to a new, very exciting and special edition of the Vile Files Bachelor Recap Edition. We have a surprise guest. I know I told you all that Jim Jeffries would be recapping with us today. Unfortunately, Jim is under the weather. He will be back next week for the recap, helping us recap. Well, it's going to be a lot to recap since there's going to be a lot to recap since there's two episodes but and many of you might no offense to jim jim is wonderful we love jim but many of you have been asking dare i say demanding that i have elise myers on this show to recap uh the bachelor and so uh I had been, we've been trying to wait for Elyse to be in town, but the demand was too high and Jim got sick. And so I called the bat phone. I was like,

Elyse, do you want to do it? And she was so gracious to fill in. And we are very excited to have you, Elyse. Welcome. Thank you. Thank you. It's an honor to be here. You know, starstruck a little bit. Just going to keep myself calm. It's all good. Likewise. I feel like everyone knows you. I mean, not everyone, but like you've been really, you've been kind of, you're kind of a big deal lately. That's ridiculous. On TikTok, on Instagram, you hit 1 million on Instagram. Congratulations. Well done. Thank you so much. Very relatable content. Be sure to follow Elise if you haven't already. It's great stuff. We're going to have Elise back when she is in LA for our Going Deeper episodes to learn a little bit more about Elise and do a mediation call and talk more things. But for now, it's going to be

Bachelor. Yes, this is great. I'm super stoked. All right, Allie, kick it off. What do we got for the tea? Who are we discussing today? A very recent tea topic. As we're all watching Love is Blind, Miss Katie Thurston is also watching Love is Blind

and commented on a recent post of theirs on Instagram and said, quote, this photo is everything I needed after that roller coaster of a finale. In the second comment, she added, oh, I'm obsessed with this show. Genuine connections without the distractions of made up drama and field games. Mind games, field games. Katie. I mean, I don't know.

What do you think, Elise? Oh, Elise with an audible ooh what do I think about Katie's comment are you watching oh yeah of course I'm watching I watched it yeah we got it could have had her on for

back to back all of it I think it's interesting to get Katie's take because obviously she's been a lead and so she understands the behind the scenes of obviously you know Bachelor and all of that so to watch it compared to a show she's watching that's same vein but different style I think it's interesting to hear her kind of like call out The Bachelor and I'm like I want I just need to know more I need to know all the things that you're talking about and not saying I want to know all of it. It's does it sound like she's throwing a little.

Oh yeah. Sass at the franchise. I think Katie has some PTSD still, which I think is understandable. I think we've all, anyone who's been the lead has had some. Uh, I,

my, my reaction is, well, listen, when you, when you make people get married, uh, you don't have there. it's all the drama you'd need. Yeah, you don't need to add anything else.

That's pretty dramatic. Yeah. I mean, and yes, of course, a bachelor has manufactured drama. They're called group dates. You know what I'm saying? It's such a radical controlled environment you know so like of course can I ask you can I ask you what like your most just like in the moment on a group date that you were either a part of or you led like what was one of the group dates where

you're like get me out of here or like I just my brain can't actually handle this amount of drama well it was the first group date date when we were playing the wedding photo shoot dress up and Corinne took her top off. Yeah, I felt incredibly uncomfortable in front of all the women. I think I just combust into flames. And then they made me dress up as an Adam and Eve as one of one of them. Yeah, that was terrible. Do you still have those photos? Yeah, Google does. Yeah, Google. Yeah, the internet does, unfortunately. One second. Just Googling really quick.

Sorry. One second. Yeah, I'm sure Allie is Googling. I think you should have like a little photo album of those. You think so? Oh, my gosh. Just relive the memories. Look at them with your girlfriend.

If I'm lucky enough to have kids one day, I am sure I'll get trolled by my children eventually. I've had those thoughts recently, but like when I have kids one day, I am sure I'll get trolled by my children eventually. I've had those thoughts recently, but when I have kids, it's like, what? Am I proud of everything I've done? Yeah, are you going to bring it up out the gate? Are you going to let them find it out? How are you going to have the talk with them?

It's kind of like what I do with my dating. I don't put any of my bachelor resume on my Instagram. When I met Natalie, I don't lead with it. If it comes up, it comes it. Like if it comes up, it comes up. But if it's like, you know, I've never like, just, you know, I was on The Bachelor, like I'll either. Yeah. So they're going to know if they know it, they already know it. You don't, you know what I mean? Like there's nothing that you need to reference to. It's like you're, you're on The Frigging Bachelor. Yeah. You were The Bachelor. Yeah. So I guess I get what Katie's saying,

but I feel like she's trying to almost be like, love is blind is better because it's more real. Oh, 100%. That kind of thing. And I also, listen, I do think, I'm really enjoying Love is Blind too. Since we're on the Love is Blind topic, Elise, and you watched, we are recording another episode when we're done here for a Wednesday episode, and we are interviewing Deep D and Sheena. Do you have any burning

questions you would like me to ask either Deep D or Sheena? Oh, man. I think that if anything, all I would want to say is to Deep D, I cried so hard when her mom was encouraging her, saying, that's my girl. That's my brave girl. I literally was weeping, holding my son. The best part of the episode was Deep D's mom. And you saw the pride on her face as soon as, oh my God. It was like, without her mom saying anything, you saw her mom just like- I have chills. Yeah, me too, right now. It was like, just, it was, without her mom saying anything, you saw her mom just like.

I have chills. Just, yeah, me too, right now. It was great. That was my favorite part of the episode. So if you want to tell, pass it along, be like, I'm so proud of her. And I'm just so encouraged by her mom's reaction. And that's exactly the way that I want to like, be proud of my son. That was a beautiful moment.

I'm super proud of her. It was great. All right, Allie, what else we got? Going into some Clayton's girls drama. They all hung out over the weekend. They went out clubbing, did a little bottle service after, I'm assuming, women tell all. And Genevieve posted on her Instagram, they bring out bottles and they have signs with messages.

And the sign said F. Sinead in big letters. You can say fuck, Allie. Okay. Well, it's fine. I'm a pure soul. She's so wholesome, Nick. And then Genevieve put it on her story and she said, quote. She even put an asterisk in her notes.

This is a professional, professional woman. So beautiful. Wow. What a kind soul. Thanks, guys. I try. And Genevieve said the best part is

we didn't ask for it they just knew so clearly whatever bar or club they were at thought it would be funny and brought it out but do we feel like

she should have posted it we did a we did a poll on our Instagram and we asked if it was mean girl shit or if it was okay because it's Sine

and I think three quarters about it was around 75% thought it was okay because it's Sinead. And I think three quarters about, it was around 75%. I thought it was mean girl shit. And yeah, I just, what do you think, Elise? I, oh my God. She, I, okay. I need to know from your perspective

because I do understand. I do understand that editing is involved. Producing is involved. But there were things that she said that I fully am like, no, you said that. Like those words came out of your mouth. And I just, is that, is she really the person that we're seeing? Because if so, it's horrible. I mean, I don't know.

Like, you know what I'm saying? I don't know her. I haven't met her. And I've said this, I think in in other my guess is she thought she was being funny or trying to be funny she's probably not a funny person and i think there are elements to it do i think she was gassed up by people around her and people making the show sure is she also responsible for things that came out of her mouth? And you combine that with, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, absolutely.

So I think it's a combination of things. Do I think that Sinead, is that who she is on the streets in a group setting? I very much doubt it. I hope not. I hope not for her sake. Do you remember Anna Redman from anna redmond from matt james this season and that kind of drama she was in and she from she was one of the women from chicago and oh yeah she told that very terrible rumor about like and it was a really it was a really bad look and i was very hard uh on anna and rightfully so but i mean she's on tiktok and

i gotta say like i quite she's funny and it's a different person. You know what I'm saying? And she was contrite and apologetic. She owned that what she did was wrong. But even minus that rumor, it was just like what we saw on the show is just an incredibly different person. So yeah, do I think people as always watching this show

should pump the brakes on defining like people's character? Like, yeah, maybe maybe Sinead is terrible. You know, I don't know. But I hope not. I think that like you do have to have a little bit of grace for those people, especially putting yourself in that situation. Like I would I would be completely unhinged. I feel like at a certain point, but there are things that she said that it just, it made my heart so sad because I knew that like, she wasn't thinking about the fact that other people were going to be watching these moments back later. Like, I feel like you could kind of get tunnel vision when you're in it and forget that like, it's not just you in a camera, it's you in a camera and the entire world watching it back. So I feel bad. But as far as like the girls, like doing the thing out with the, the, her name and all of that, it's like, yeah, I mean, it is like mean girl shit a little bit. But at the same time, it kind of seems like she terrorized them a little bit in the house and really kind of ruined their experience a little bit. And so I totally understand it.

I'm surprised at the take. Really? Kind of. You said how on edge they were because I think they felt like with the Elizabeth situation, like it had been truly unprovoked. And so that left them all feeling like at any point, it could be me. I have to tiptoe around this person.

Like this is like a landmine that could go off at any point in time. I mean, I guess as someone who has been in this world, I don't see how one person can terrorize a group. It's usually the other way around. And that's fair. It doesn't mean that Sanae didn't annoy them and piss them off we've been so hard on shanae this season right and she deserves criticism i just don't get the whole two wrongs make a right you know i don't i don't get the

you know the fuck shanae you put it your social, everyone's having a good laugh about it. And kind of the point is like mental health's been talked about on this season, right? Do we know Sinead's mental health? You know what I'm saying? Do we know? Maybe she's experienced some trauma of her own. Does it justify her actions? No, but it might explain her behavior. It's just, if you're going to be so upset with Sinead's actions towards you, but it might explain her behavior. It's just, if you're going to be so upset with Sinead's actions towards you, I just don't think you doing the same thing is, I just, you know, if all these women are talking about like women supporting women and we're classy and we're, and then they do that. And we quite like Genevieve. I've enjoyed watching her.

She seems like a nice person. And I saw that and I was like, I just felt bad for Genevieve that she stooped to that level. Yeah, I think it's easy to do that, especially when you're in a big group of people, especially when the whole world saw a different side of Sinead

and saw the edited version. It's easy to kind of lean into that. She would get a big response from that on social, but I, like, I wouldn't do it, but I, I'm just saying, I understand, but I don't, you know, I understand why it was done. I just, I don't think I would do it on my social media. It was a moment of weakness for sure. And I, and, um, yeah, I, it was just, I just thought it was kind of a gross look. And even if Sinead is, even if there is no edit, even if she is, that is who Sinead is, I just don't see how it makes it fine. Yeah, I think to your point though,

it's also like I think we want to live in a world where we can have compassion for people without having the receipts of their trauma. Like we can just kind of give people, not necessarily benefit of the doubt, but just like an expansive understanding of like, there's context behind every action. And so I think it makes sense being like

in these hyperbole settings where it's like, fuck Sinead, the whole internet's mad. It feels like a very extreme reaction to like a human who's going to be nuanced. Yeah, there have been characters that I've, you know, I don't even want to, like on jojo's season there was a character we all remember infamous kind of villain and honestly the more

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after they got let go last week. Sarah had a story that said, quote, truth always prevails. If you're confused on my ending, hopefully the next few weeks will provide clarity don't ever settle for a man who speaks down to you and Mara posted on Instagram I am and always have been outspoken and pride myself on my communication in relationships I'm not for everyone and I'm okay with that but at least I know who I am and I love who I am I feel like I

owe Mara a slight apology because I said she would go off on her Instagram about like, I told you so about Sarah and she didn't do that. It was very long, but it wasn't anti-Sarah. I was wrong about that. I don't understand when other people waste their time talking about somebody else. Like for her to be like, Sarah's not ready or whatever. It's like, I just don't get it. Like, why would you waste that time. It's like, I just don't get it. Why

would you waste that time? It never ends well for somebody ever. That killed me. But I think kind of back to what Andrew said a couple of weeks ago, that was some real villain shit because you could tell she felt that. That was what Mara felt in her moment of weakness. I think it's this insecurity, right? It's, you know, I empathize with her as someone who like, I think she truly wants to find someone. I think she truly wonders why she hasn't, you know? And I think she, it's hard to look in the mirror and see, you know, what could I be, what could I do differently?

You know, it's tough to do. And when you see, when you're surrounded by people, like she was surrounded I do differently? You know, it's tough to do. And when you see, when you're surrounded by people, like she was surrounded by Sarah and you know, Sarah's on her cup of tea. It's just, it's easy to see flaws in other people before we see it in our, in ourselves. And, and I think that was just her projecting it, but. Yeah, absolutely. It's just hard. It never ends well. Every time I'm like, it's easy to say that from somebody that's not in it but i'm screaming from the screen just like don't say anybody else's name just focus on your own time i felt so bad do we think is is sarah i'm still hoping we get sarah after the tell all next week uh i'm waiting to find out but is Sarah referring to don't when she says don't ever let a man speak

down to you is she referring to when Clayton accused her of fake crying I'm assuming so or when he was like I don't believe you yeah she has to be because it was painful that was a painfully awkward moment that was

not good for her. What do you think of that moment? Because that made me like literally want to turn the TV off. Oh, yeah. It was, I think, I definitely think she was fake crying. Yeah. I said this last week. I think she's the queen of fake crying in this season of a lot of fake criers.

I don't think she's the only one taking a moment and being like, now would be a good time for tears. And is that more common than not, though? I mean, it happens. It happens every season. And I think it's a combination of they're all, again, emotional and tired. It's an environment that is eliciting emotion.

So to fake cry, it's not that hard. But I do think there is an element of you're always being uh told to just let yourself feel whatever it is you're feeling you know don't hold back whatever it is you're feeling if you're feeling anger be angry if you're feeling sadness be sad and so there's you know like in life we tend to be like i don't want to i don't want to cry you know we hold back because like just swallow the tears you know like i don't want to be like at a wendy's bawling my eyes out you know but in bachelor world it's there's there's no bad place to like just let it go melt down i will say though whenever i see a like a stranger crying in public especially on public transit i respect the shit out of it i'm always like let it go. Meltdown. I will say, though, whenever I see, like, a stranger crying in public,

especially on public transit, I respect the shit out of it. I'm always, like, let it out. Like, in solidarity, I could cry, too. I think it's, like, very powerful when people are, like… Do you see a lot of people crying in public? Yes. Do you ever go up to them and ask them if you're okay? Well, if someone's, like, having, like, racking sobs and I'm, like, worried,

especially if it's, like, a woman crying alone and I'm, like, is she, like… Yeah. Like, I'll… But I think oftentimes it's like a woman crying alone. And I'm like, is she like, like all, but I think oftentimes it's like someone letting their emotions out and like, they don't want someone to like insert themselves into that experience. You know? I don't know. I've never, I don't, I haven't seen a lot of people in public crying, but if I have, I definitely have been like, is everything okay? It's really nice. Is that not a common thing? I guess what I would literally run the other direction. I would be like, I don't want this person to even know I exist in this moment.

They're having their moment and they don't want anyone. Am I doing the wrong thing? No. But if someone walked up to me, I'd be like, this is so nice. Oh my gosh. Thank you. I just, I, for some reason couldn't do it. You're very brave. I try to give them a tissue. Cause I feel like that's a nice way of being like, Hey, I see you. I acknowledge that you're not doing well but like I'm also not gonna like talk to you if you just want to be alone and sob do you have tissues on you like always I have so much stuff on me I have a phone charger on me at all times are you a mom because if you are that would make sense you just have a mom purse of like all the things yeah definitely the mom she is not a mom

okay wouldn't this be a wild time for her to tell you that she wants to oh yeah I have a four year old by the way I'm a mom you haven't met Stanley Stanley oh my gosh

what else we got Allie we got more just the last little situation Becca we know Bachelor Live is coming she did a little

podcast episode with all the guys of the live and they kind of did like almost superlative type things Rodney's really excited for the first impression rose that he gets to give out Connor will be bringing the ukulele Ivan is most likely

to sneak out of the tour bus like they just had a little fun episode chatting yeah no definitely connor will bring his ukulele i am sure it's right up there with uh sal's ukulele was that as cringe i literally can't stop singing that in my house i mean yes is he a good singer of course can you like if someone's saying to me that i'd be like we're done again talking about producers on love is blind like do i think sal liked playing the ukulele

but you you know that they were always being like you should play a song to her right now and he was like i don't know he's like no it's romantic he's like you think and then you know what i'm saying like roommate and the roommates joined in and then she started crying like but the thing is she cries every time so he obviously is like this is good i'm gonna keep doing those are awkward tears right like those had to be a hundred percent it was like a painful like i can't believe this is happening to me right now i i dated a guy that literally like would like pull his guitar out and play for like an hour. And it just felt like a wall of sound. And you're like, there's no way for me to interject in this moment. So it's happening to me, like at me,

like that's what it was like. And it just, it kills me so much. I cannot handle it. Was he a musician or was he just a hobby hobby he was a musician and songwriter and it was like you knew it all the time you knew it I couldn't imagine if I dated a musician and she just she's like I wrote you a song and I want to play it for you now so the thing is it's like different like so I I write music it's all good but like I don't just be like all right sit down I'm giving you a private concert for an hour and you can't say a word. Like totally different. Like if I was a musician and they wrote a song and they wanted to like try it on me, like, of course. But if it was like, I wrote you a song and it's like, it's so condescending. It's like, it's like, I am a gift to you and your ear balls. Like you need to

just enjoy it. Let it just wash over your body. It's like, no dude, like just let me have a conversation with you. This is really happening to me. Anyways, Connor, if you're interested in that sort of thing, we'll be at a city near you. A city near you. That's about it. Do we want to

get into tell-all spoilers? Not too much. I don't think you would. All I will say, I did hear, I hear they don't know if it will make the cutting room floor but uh elizabeth uh went on a tangent that was wildly incoherent like drunk no it was this one like you know how elizabeth was on her social like talking about how she's ready for tell all. And she was going to, you know,

have a big moment. Well, it sounds like she's been like thinking about what she was going to say this whole time. And when she got the opportunity, just went on this kind of rant. I don't know if she realizes that she biffed it, but it was this kind of this.

That is my night. She went off, she went off on Clayton and said all this wild shit and the person who told me says they don't know if it's going to make the edit just because it was so

bizarre but they weren't sure they weren't sure but they just have to put the dumb music behind it like the that makes everything funnier

yeah anyway I hear it's a mess though we I can't wait those though we best types of tell-alls yeah oh yeah we will see if

you know obviously I think we're all curious about how Shanae approaches it will she come out with any kind of contrition or not maybe not I heard

maybe not maybe not and if she doesn't if she doesn't quite honestly like I think that gives us some more space to I think it's more i think it's easier than to criticize her i think it'd be more fair to criticize her yeah because i think if she comes back and is like a totally different person like kind of like crystal's experience like where she came back and like coach crystal that she like

was totally different and like now she's like like i like, that's not the same person I saw on this show like that. But if she's like, no, I stand by it. It's like, okay, then we can fairly judge you because we're not seeing this like different edit of you. I think that would be fair. Yeah. Cause if you go into that world, you don't know what you're getting into.

You get caught up. You realize everyone hates you. You're drinking too much wine. You get a little carried away. You get some bad advice. And all of a sudden you watch it and go, oh fuck. Yeah. You know? And then you have have she's had months to be like okay and she's not on social she's like deleted everything right I've tried to find her sure Shanae yeah I think she had it before but it probably got so yeah just deleted it and well I'm sure she definitely

didn't get like good advice from you know as i like to say the friends who tell you to buy a boat um she's on there she's really she's got an insta yeah shanae she could defend herself yeah by saying listen i i definitely wish i would have handled myself better i i felt yeah i felt ganged up on and I handled myself really poorly and I'm embarrassed for the things I said. I stand by how I felt in that environment, but how I reacted and how I handled my feelings were inappropriate and mean and cruel. I was ignorant when I was mocking ADHD.

It wasn't my intention. All these things she could eat. She has like two months to have a parent or a friend be like, hey, maybe just some sort of humility. And if she doesn't, then I think it'd be more fair

to criticize. Yeah. I definitely agree. Is that all we got? Are we getting into the episode? We're jumping right in. All right. Let's end to the hometowns. Overall, solid hometowns okay is it just me or was like all of the they were all short i felt like all of them were so short really i thought it was honestly kind of a long episode really really i don't i don't know why i feel like usually you get maybe because of covid and stuff like they didn't do stuff out as much around people, but it felt like everything was so isolated that almost the days,

like I didn't get to know anything about them. Like remember when like Becca took, or like, what's his name? They went to his high school, not Connor, the guy that's at everything now, Becca. They went to the high school where like there was like the shooting and then like the concert. Yeah. Yeah.

The guy who's on everything now. Literally at everything, everything, um, really capitalizing on it. But he, so like, it just felt like you got to know so much about him as his experience with the guys. And like with these, it's like, they went on a hike. You made, you honestly, you make a good point. I actually, I did think about that while watching it where the daytime versions of the date were far less personal. And I'm guessing, and this is just a guess, I still think while we're back traveling and the COVID restrictions have drastically reduced, they're not totally gone. So instead, on my hometown in anti-season, I took her to a brewery. My friends got to show up. It was like in a crowd. We went to the public market, another crowd, all these things. And very similar to

other people's dates where you kind of immerse them into your city. And I think they didn't get to... My guess is probably COVID. Because yes, they were very... Yeah, they, my guess is probably COVID because yes, they were very, they were all very kind of random, like in the woods, literally in the woods. There's no other people here. We're social distancing like motherfuckers. Yeah, definitely.

Yeah. So I think that's, that's, that was it. Let's just go kind of in sequential order. We start with Susie's hometown. I told you. Today, we're going to find out

if Clayton likes being choked. I think we learned a lot about Susie this episode. I told you she's a, she's got some fight in her. All of you were all like, I don't know if she's a bachelorette. She might be like too demure

for like your classic. Just karate Susie. Or maybe I- Krav Maga. Yeah. I guess if you're in the martial arts community there's probably a huge difference

between karate and whatever it is didn't she do jujitsu jujitsu I thought it was jujitsu yeah it was probably jujitsu I'm sorry jujitsu

very different because a lot of people came after us last week for not knowing how many kids Ari and Lauren have guys we saw oh my god

they had two births, whatever. We're not, we're not investigative reporters here. Like I watched their like vlogs for their twins. Like I'm just in tears. Like when I just like full tears, I'm like, what are you talking about? They have three kids. I will say. You left one kid who didn't exist.

It really resonates. Has anyone talked about how Susie is literally like Hannah Brown's like copy and paste? I feel like they, I hate comparing it too much because I feel like I see the similarity, but I don't, I just feel like when she smiles, I'm like,

that's, that's like Hannah Brown's face. It's so bizarre to me. My brain can't like wrap its head. It's just incredible. Have you guys seen the photos of, she used to in japan and she worked as a disney princess at disneyland japan i did not see that dressed up as various princesses she is the perfect princess face oh my gosh that's so beautiful like she's so sweet but i was just like the martial arts i thought it was amazing

yeah because she said she learned that in japan as well it would have been at the same time and when they when they dressed up and wore the geese nailed it like she did I yeah I got it right I don't know

I was in Taekwondo as a young child I made it all the way to a high brown belt and and what I noticed what I noticed is that like Suzy

she was a high blue belt and the high like if my if my memory is correct the black tape around the belt there's like two level at least in taekwondo there was two levels of each belt so you got you got your different colors then you test and then you had to test to be like a high or a low and if you were a high you had black tape taped around the end of your belt to like signify so

but i would liked about it like clearly like su Susie has, like I was, as soon as we saw Clayton's white belt, I was like, I wonder what Susie comes out in. Is it going to be just another white belt or Susie going to be like, no, I want to put on my belt that I've earned. She earned that shit. And what's cool is she was like, I feel like I kind of didn't love my body or however she said it. She was like, I was insecure about myself for a long time. And then I learned that like, I could, my body could literally be used as like a weapon in this and it made her feel powerful. And I loved that. I feel like we got to know a lot about her just in that like one sentence than we have in a lot of the dates.

And I really appreciated that. I loved it. And when she put Clayton and that chokehold, that was like a legit move. And Clayton being all whatever, 200 and how many pounds of pure muscle, like Susie could have killed him. Yeah. I'm not even, I'm not exaggerating.

If she wanted to, she could have snapped his neck. Yeah. He tapped out like, oh fuck. Like when you get someone in one of those moves, like it doesn't, like weight and size doesn't necessarily matter. She was ready for it he went she was like i'm so sorry and he's like no

it's fine it was it was incredible it was awesome can we talk about her dad her dad is the sweetest thing i'm like i just the best response of all the parents i i think so you okay so interesting i was i was going to ask all of you there were some real all-stars in the families of each family you had Susie's dad you had uh Gabby's grandpa Gabby's grandpa you had Serene's brother uh and you had um Rachel's dad was also Rachel's dad oh my god it was amazing Rachel's dad was awesome Like that was an all-star cast. But between those four, you give the gold medal to Susie's dad.

I think it's because Susie's dad reminds me a lot of my dad. Like that is a very like Daryl Jones response to like what would have happened if I would have been in that situation. So I saw my dad in it and I was like, okay, that's beautiful. But that's just because of my upbringing but when Susie was talking to her dad so like she told Clayton my dad had some health issues

and actually because because Jim Jeffries was going to be your guest it reminded me like Jim has if you've seen a stand-up he has a bit about The Bachelor and he kind of goes on about the trope of trauma dumping yes on the show and how you know if you have you know if you're michael a and your wife dies then you know it's this whole like very comedic thing you get the olympic gold medal and if you've been cheated on you're just like you know good try and when when suzy was talking about her dad getting sick in kind of this vague way, it made me think of his stand-up. And listen, on a serious note, I've been very fortunate. I have both my parents with me. But the past couple of years, my dad had a couple health scares, and he's doing great now. But

even if you're lucky enough to have parents who are alive and well, when you have that moment, anytime you like, when you realize your parents mortality, it's a very like sobering feeling just in life only for yourself, for them. Like you're just like, oh, I'm getting older kind of thing. So it's a real thing. So I don't want to diminish that. But when Susie was talking to her dad, right? And she was like, so like I was talking to Clayton about the time you got sick. And the look on Susie's dad's face was like. Confusion.

Yeah. It's like, I'm not dying. It was almost like Susie had been in this bachelord bubble of being like, yeah, so your dad was sick. So maybe, what's that like to like. Will he be there when you get married? Susie's like, yeah, that is tough. what's that like to like you know be there when you get married because he's like yeah you know like that is tough he's like oh i'm gonna be there he's like i'm not going anywhere like i thought that was really interesting i actually noticed that and i was like i wonder if she's told this she's had to tell the story so many times obviously

over and over and over again to multiple people and it's have it's been like just talked about so much in that high emotion environment that when she gets to the person it's actually happening to, I was like, this doesn't feel like the same conversation I expected it to be. And it was just really, that was really interesting. It didn't feel organic. Yeah. Because again, I don't doubt that Susie felt these feelings. It would just be like something, I don't think in life Susie would have brought this up on a date in the context in which she brought it up to Clayton. You know what I'm saying?

I don't think she would, you know, that was very much a forced bachelor moment. And then her bringing up to her dad, you know, like I, I've never been like, after my dad, I like had a mild health scare.

I'd never been like, so just, I was thinking about like having kids and getting married and like, and so don't. Yeah. I couldn't imagine my dad being like the fuck what are you talking about yeah why is this the first thing you're talking to me about when sitting in front of a camera it's just like so uncomfortable could it have been her dad trying to be kind of very like strong and stoic and like not wanting her to worry at all like do you think he's just someone who's like, I never want my kids to worry about me.

I am always going to like downplay anything. So that way. Sure. Anything's possible, but we know how this show works and how they love a trauma dump and how the producers are trained to lean into your sad stories and have an emotional moment, which listen, we, as we like you at least you know even like you loved them oh you know there was a moment we have felt i mean like gabby's dad coming out

was both like i at first i had anxiety of cringe anxiety and i also cried i need to know i this is the way if we're to talk about anything this is what i need to talk about i don't understand what was going on. Why couldn't they FaceTime? Why couldn't they talk? They were for sure in distance to hear each other. What was happening? Why couldn't they have called each other on the phone?

They could have met on FaceTime. What was going on? Well, my guess is they couldn't touch because that makes sense. Social distancing. His girlfriend, unfortunately, is diagnosed with cancer, immune, obviously compromised, can't risk getting COVID or sick at all. That makes sense. Yeah, yeah.

The social distancing I get. But yes, let's just take it 10 miles further, and you're not allowed to say anything to each other yeah like they could have just like yelled or they could have like called on the phone they could have facetimed so clayton or clinton could have been there they could have had a whole conversation six feet apart with clayton why was clayton not there like on the and he came out just as like the dad was driving away and i I'm like, what just happened? That was bizarre to me.

That was bizarre. They love a good TV moment. The producers on the show, I don't know all of them. There's actually a lot of new people now from my time. But I don't think when they got into TV, it was all like, I want to work on The Bachelor. Not that they didn't want to work on The Bachelor, but a lot of them studied film, movies, TVs. And so they're here making a reality TV show. They still wanted to make it.

And so when they have an opportunity, they do care. Every once in a while, you get these really great shots of a sunset and a silhouette. And they definitely take pride in that. And I get it, right? They're making TV, right? So it is their art. And so my guess is, here's this unfortunate situation with Gabby's dad.

He can't be there because he's got to be very careful. So let's turn it into kind of this love actually moment which again like i thought it was like both cringy and ridiculous and yeah i cried i cried i definitely was like fuck they got me like i definitely got choked up so it was like one of those things where it was like like i hate this but also like fuck it. Touche. It's happening right now. It did what they, got what they wanted. That is so funny. I'd also be almost certain that Clayton met his dad, her dad. Do you think so?

100%. So he would have been there on the porch? I'm almost certain that after they got the shot they wanted, the car stopped. He got out of the car. Clayton came out. They said hi, socially distanced, maybe chatted.

I would hope so. I met Rachel's dad and had a whole real conversation with him, but because he's a federal judge, didn't want to be on camera. He was there the whole time. Really? Yeah.

I didn't know that. Yeah. She mentioned it in her book. it was also like i think when she was a bachelorette very similar thing where he got to meet uh some of the guys but you know being a federal judge and feel comfortable like you know being on tv and interesting so like they definitely so that i'm all like i would be shocked if clayton didn't meet the guy man you watching the show from your perspective is just so different. I just like, until you're in it,

I just, you don't know. How could you? But it's just wild. I wish I could just like be inside your brain and just be like, let me see all the things. Not all the things. I try my best to give this audience as much inside information as possible, even though sometimes they're like,

no, I know. I always love the comments where there's like nick thinks he knows more about the bachelor than anyone and i'm just like i mean i don't know if i mean anyone that's never been on the show i have like kind of like like probably you have their fan 586 yeah it's like i don't like everyone i don't know but like i know a lot everyone I don't know but like I know a lot sorry you've been on it four or five four four four okay yeah then you you you know you've been there it's not so much the amount of times but I've been the villain I've been the hero I've been I've been every time I was on it I was on it from beginning to end like you know for example you know like uh now that we're back to filming

and traveling, it takes typically eight or nine weeks to film the show. By the time they make it to hometown, that only takes four and a half, five weeks. Of the 30 people that make the show,

everyone goes home the first four and a half weeks. And then you still have three and a half to four weeks left of only the final four. So the final four people have almost twice the experience than everyone else. And when you're down in the final four, you have more like one-on-one time with producers and it's more like of a chilled atmosphere. And you're just kind of like shooting the breeze about life. And then they'll give you a little bit more insight about behind the scenes you do more like b-roll you're doing more contemplations it gets a lot more emotional you you kind of learn about what's going on just because there's like less people right so

like the experience of the final four is drastically different than the experience of like the other people just because of less people more time and it's almost it almost it's almost 40 percent of the entire time they're filming is the final four for example hometowns is like eight weeks right because there's usually a day off in between for travel like where did clayton go eight days i'm sorry eight days thank you clayton went to Florida he went to Virginia Denver back to LA for the rose ceremony there was one more who Virginia Colorado Oklahoma and Oklahoma right so and I don't know if they aired it in order but like that's that takes time right so yeah when you're not filming your hometown you're just kind of like chilling and are you in the locations that it depends like for me my

guess is they all flew back to LA because the rose ceremony was in LA this time it was on anti-season so I had the first I flew from uh Belgium straight to Milwaukee I had the first hometown and after my hometown I had a whole week in LA to just chill. It was a lot of fun. I went to a Dodger game. If you're into like, before COVID, if you get to go to like,

you can go to amusement parks. You can kind of, they kind of like- But you don't have your phone, right? No, you don't have your phone. You're like, you have a chaperone, but you kind of do whatever. They take you,

yeah, they have a handler and they take you wherever. I had a fun time. I got to be a tourist in LA. And then while you're doing that, you're just kind of talking. You're also still like your mind's focused on falling in love and all these things, and it's a ton of fun. And then fantasy suites, again, that takes another almost a week because there's always ton of fun. And then fantasy suites, again, that takes another almost a week because there's always

a day off of, you know what I'm saying? So these things take a lot more time and that time you're still like in that bubble, obsessing over your feelings, obsessing over your decisions. And it's just a very different experience. And if you've like made it to week four. That is crazy. And then to have done that multiple times, it's like, of course,

you would have a different perspective than somebody that just is an avid watcher. Because it's like, you're not seeing what's actually happening. You're just seeing the final product, which is a lot of what didn't actually happen. It's just molded and, you know, clayed and pushed into like

what people kind of want to be seen. Yeah, their story. Anyways, we digress. Yeah. Do we have anything else to cover about Susie's? Other than like, I'm, you know,

Susie, Rachel, you know, like, who do I, what do I think is going to happen? I mean, I was wrong. I really thought if I had to guess,

I think I did guess last week, I thought Serene was going to make the final three. I thought, I thought they're going to bring Gabby for like you know the story about her mom and

kind of build up her story because I still really haven't seen all that much prior to this episode I didn't see and even still now do we see like I just don't see that much of a connection between Clayton and Gabby well I think that she's getting the bachelorette edit yes

I think she 100 she's getting a bachelorette edit. Yes. I think she 100, she's getting a Bachelorette edit. I still think Susie, I think Susie was always going to be their person. Yeah. And it still might be their person for Bachelorette.

I think it would be Gabby or Susie. Yeah. And I think they're hedging their bet, but like, the producers would have known if Susie and or Ray, whoever is,

you know, is your top choice, they're always asking, like, so who, like, where are are you leaning they're always checking it you know yeah so you know like if he's just like yeah you know at any point clinton's like i think i might pick suzy they're they're kind of preparing for well if well then she can't be her bachelorette kind of thing right so anyways i the only reason i bring that up is because I just think there's Susie and Clayton. It's like Rachel had such that first one-on-one was so like,

it's got to be Rachel. But Susie keeps slowly kind of, I think, chipping away at that lead where I'm just not sure who he's going to pick. I don't know. Well, I felt like when he responded to her, when she was like, meet me at the clock tower. And she's like, I'm falling in love with you. And he's like, didn't he say like, I'm falling in love with you too? He said something. He definitely, I just remember my lasting memory is just how excited he was knowing how tired he was. Yeah. And I just like, I just put myself in Clayton's position at that

point thinking if it's not someone I like it was just like all he probably wants to do is go to bed and so for him to kind of get that kind of affirmation from Susie big deal and see that uh so I don't remember what he said but it was very telling his reaction to yeah and then when it was weird then like when he didn't say to her dad, I'm falling in love with her. I just feel like he chose the wrong moments to be reserved. It's like, why not take that opportunity to share how you're feeling if that's all you've got?

I agree. I think that's Clayton not knowing what to say and trusting the producers a little bit too much. Yeah. And not that the producers are telling him what to say and trusting the producers a little bit too much. Yeah. And not that the producers are telling him what to say, but they're definitely like before home. I hated hometowns. Hometowns suck.

Really? Just because you're going into these people's homes. And as the lead, you recognize you're going to have to lead people on. And you recognize that it's just part of the gig and it just becomes a lot more personal and real when you're walking into people's homes and you have that kind of respect and you're just like this it crosses a line it feels a little dirty to be honest it feels a little kind of totally especially if you kind of know what direction you're going like imagine going going into, imagine Clayton,

like we know Clayton probably had at least a good sense that Serene was going home that week. Yeah. I feel like you could even see that in their interactions. Yeah. I felt like you could see him feeling awkward. Yeah. And imagine like sitting down with Serene's brother who like,

what a wonderful man. Just has a great voice too just instinctive just rich you know part of america yeah can we get him on the show oh god he was awesome but imagine like him saying that and just wanted to be like if i'm claiming that moment i just want to be like i want it's not her I want this to stop it's not her just tell her it's you know what I'm saying like yeah he can't and that sucks it's a shitty situation to be in we also don't know what what aired you know too like I remember with when I was with Vanessa's family and her sister I was talking with her sister and her sister was like you know getting

emotional and kind of giving me the like if you hurt her I'll kill you I think she actually said that but it came from like a place of love and even with her mom and her sister I was just like and I and I remember in this moment thinking I didn't really care about what was being aired I didn't know if they even could use it but I just kind of looked at them and kind of like tried to look them very much in the eye and I just said I promise it's going to be okay you know and I kind of gave them this look

of like I can't say it but I'm saying it yeah yeah yeah so you knew at that point yeah I did but I don't know if Clayton does but like I did so what I'm saying is we don't know if Clayton does, but like I did. So what I'm saying is we don't know if Clayton maybe even had a moment with his dad that like just didn't fit the edit

and didn't like almost kind of gave too much away. You know, we don't know that. And all they had left to work with was this kind of an awkward, well, I'm not really supposed to say anything. It's possible. You know, I don't. That's a good, yeah, that's a good take. Yeah. Like if you kind of give stuff away to a good, yeah, that's a good take. Yeah. Like if you kind of give stuff away to kind of reassure, when you try to have a human moment with these people that you realize you're going into their homes and you're just like fucking with them.

You know, they haven't seen, I always kind of remind my audience during the week of hometowns. They haven't seen what's happening. They haven't seen what's happening. Before each hometowns, you get like a team of producers to show up a day before.

You get boots on the ground, so to speak. And it's kind of, because they have to. Yeah. They have to set it all up. You have to set it up, lighting,

and you're making a TV show. So they ask, can we come into your house? Can we do these things? They'll take them out to dinner the night before. And it's kind of like, the family always have

a lot of questions. What the fuck's going on? A lot of it is well you'll have to you'll have to ask you will have to wait but like there's a lot of like you should ask this or you should ask that and like that would be something you know and a lot of it is just like because they're trying to make a tv show and it's very easy to get awkward and they're trying their best to like keep everyone focused because like make it not seem weird because yeah not seem weird so it's all well-intentioned you know from the producers but and then and then their and their kids walk in looking brainwashed essentially right like every parent's just like yeah i'm gonna go on show. And they come in all just like the parents all see it's like, oh shit, my kid's in love. Fuck. Yeah. Drink the Kool-Aid,

you know? And, and they think they're it. They, every person, the month they get to hometowns and they're introducing to their family, I know every single person is like, it's gotta be me. Like once you bring that person into your life, into your real life, it's like, this isn't just that, that world anymore. Like this is my world now, but I don't know what would be better. Like waiting for hometowns to later, then you really think it's the one or if it's earlier. And then it's like, this is pointless. It's like, I felt a sense of like, and obviously, right, because now we're down to four, but we got to hear from each of the women. We got to hear a lot more from each of the women. Yeah.

You know, just like hometowns makes you realize just how little we get to hear from all of them. And just like Susie and Gabby, just like kind of these long kind of ITMs, they're less sound bites and more kind of stream of consciousness thoughts. And yeah, I don't know. Gabby, it's like Gabby definitely, I can't tell if Gabby's always playing a character or if she's just kind of

this very unique personality? I can't tell. It seems like their relationship is really lighthearted and like friendshiply, but I can't tell if that's like, if things are being edited out or if she's kind of being aired to just be like, like the, the depth is there, not from her. Like I'm not saying she's not a deep person. It's just their connection seems a lot more lighthearted than like compared to Susie's or compared to, I don't know, Serene's. I'm not sure.

Totally. And that's what I'm saying. Like, I can't tell if Gab, because like clearly Gabby's funny. She knows she's funny. Clayton thinks she's the funniest woman in the world. I don't know if you have any thoughts on that, Elise, because you're pretty funny.

Oh, thank you. I don't, I haven't seen that side of her. I just don't feel like we've seen a lot. But anyway. Yeah, she's goofy. But I can't tell, like when she was hanging out with Clayton, I can't tell.

Because you know when you know you're funny and you go walk into a room, people kind of expect you to entertain them. And I can't tell if Gabby's just being herself or if she's like leaning into, you know what I'm saying? Like, or if she's like, this is me being goofy all the time. Yeah. I can't tell.

I honestly can't tell. But I think that they have a good connection. I just think that it's more like silly and lighthearted. But is that like enough? Like, can you really like create a marriage out of that? I definitely don't think Clayton's picking Gabby. I just mean in general. No.

And I think sometimes in that world when you don't feel that connection, you kind of lean into the other things that you have. It's like a real-life version of the friend zone of, let's just play games. We don't need to make out. Let's just play games you know like we don't need to make out let's play games i don't care about it you know so i that's a little bit uh of that i think um i think too i mean why not keep people around that make you feel safe and like fun you know like if you have to keep people around up until the end like you might as well also keep people close that you're like

you're just not i'm just gonna have like'm just going to have like, enjoy myself around you. 100%. Like hanging out with Gabby is probably a breath of fresh air for Clayton. She, she probably doesn't make him feel pressured or wrong for feeling like, because there are certain people where you might not be feeling it and they're, and they're, and they're, they're trying to get more out of you, right? And you're just like, it's time to go because you're, you know, it's like how, you know how on this show, like every time someone's like, I'm falling in love with you or I love you. And they like go, oh, you know, serene, finally ready to say, I'm not falling in love with you. I'm in love with you. It's the kiss of death if that person doesn't feel the same. A hundred percent, you know? And so it's so rough. You can see it on their face too.

You like watch them process the fact that it's like, I don't, I don't want to say that back right now. It's like, Oh, it just kills me. Yeah. Especially after meeting the family, like it just brings back all like the Colton with Beck, all that. I'm like, oh my gosh, all of it. It just, it's so sad. But we love Gabby's grandpa. Oh my God, John. Was speaking to whether Gabby's always like this when Gabby's grandfather was like, she's always been a dingbat. I literally wrote that down. I was like, he called her a dingbat. What is the, what is the modern term for dingbat? Because I feel like dingbat might have been something commonly used back in the day.

I don't know. Dingbat. That's great. I think dingbat's perfect. It really encompasses the vision. It was amazing. If Gabby's grandpa ever wanted to find love again, I'm available. You're into it?

Yeah. The wedding ring. The fact that she's like, why do you wear your wedding ring? I was proud to be married. Oh my God. That is great. And shout out to him for giving them the teaser for the Hometowns episode. Oh yeah.

With his sarcasm. He was really carrying the teaser on his back. Yeah. Well, another just a cautionary tale. Let's just be careful what we, the power of the edit, you know, like, well, they sure made it seem like Gabby's grandpa was going to lean into Clayton, you know, and it turns out he was just joshing them. Just joshing. He's the sweetest. Oh, my gosh.

Grandpa John, we love him. We love him. We love him. We love him. I feel like Clayton might be an old man trapped in a younger man's body. Because when he was talking to Susie's dad, he was like, well, these other boys must have been dumb as a box of rocks. And I was like, Clayton, you are 20-something years old.

With all of his turtlenecks, he is an old man in a young man's body. Do you think that's what happens? Because he knows he can't swear kind of thing. Do you revert back what happens? Like, because he knows he can't swear kind of thing. Do you like revert back to kind of like corny sayings? I don't feel like he is like a swearing person. Maybe, maybe not. Also, do you know

what I thought was weird? Clayton loves to yell. When Gabby was like, hey, scare me like if a bear came out of the woods and Clayton just, rawr! Like as loud as he could

and he's just like he's got it on his back pocket all the time he's like wait i get to be a viking i get to scare the shit out of someone like if like if a girl asked to do that it'd be like you know like i would just i wouldn't try to literally scare her and clint's like oh my god this is so much fun he's just so funny. I don't understand him. I feel like I genuinely, I feel like he's more like a blank slate for production. And that's like that. And I wish I could get to know more of who he was

because I just, I feel so confused watching him and his personality. Yeah. I think you speak for America when you say that we still don't know much about him. Other than he's terribly afraid of heights that was awesome yeah i guess i thought that was amazing it was like i don't consider myself afraid of heights although like i'm not a i don't like love heights i can psych myself out but he

was truly terrified do you want to know my theory behind that he actually wasn't that afraid but he knew he was going to be sending serene home so he like just tried to like he tried to have something to talk about so he just kind of acted more like afraid than he was yeah interesting take and because like if you're going to break up with someone you're like i don't know what else i'm going to say so you just think something's overly funny or like overly scary and you're like well i'll have more to talk about if i just focus on that. That would be a really charming thing if that's true. Do we like Clayton for that? That would be a very sweet and endearing thing.

Maybe. No? Or he could just tell the truth and be like, I'm not feeling it. I'm not going to meet your family before. No, that's not really his call. It's interesting to think about like whether it'd be ruder to be like, I'm sorry, I'm not feeling this.

I'm not going to meet your family after like they've had the dinner with the producers. They've gotten them all amped up for this. Or whether that's the better thing to do so that way you're not leaving people on a moment longer than you have to be. Well, if Clayton- I know that's not really- Free reign, I think it would be kinder to cut short.

Yeah. But I don't know if that's possible. Yeah. It's like a it's like breaking up in real life you know like sometimes being a little more cold in the moment is the kinder thing to do even though it's just like yeah but we made it this far just like but like you know like breaking up before the holidays is definitely better than breaking up after the holidays and pretending to like share another christmas with someone i know you're gonna have to give that person a shitty holiday but like what you're

just gonna like fake like you know all of a sudden like january 2nd rolls around like yeah sorry we should break up i've been wanting to do this for a long time it's like no you just lied to me over christmas yeah you bring them you know you you fly them in to meet your family and they stay with your family and your mom gives them a present and like a photo album or something of some shit of like...

It's painful. It's so painful. That'd be terrible. Oh my gosh. Amanda's not sure if she agrees. I'm just trying to think. Well,

I think in that scenario maybe the kindest time to do it is like that week between Christmas and New Year's. That way. Well, because I'm just thinking about like, and I get it. I think it sucks to be let on. It would be terrible to like be disingenuous or to feel like someone was disingenuous and going through the motions all Christmas.

But it also would kind of suck to have to talk about a breakup to all of your family. Yeah. Like, where is he? Where is she? Again, being broken up with right before the holidays is terrible. Like, I'm not saying there's like, that is he? Where is she? Again, being broken up with right before the holidays is terrible. I'm not saying that's an awesome thing, and that person you're dumping is going to have a shitty holiday. And if Clayton broke up with Serene as soon as he landed before he met her family,

that would really suck for Serene to not have that moment with her family. Nevertheless, what happens when you break up with someone? You're always kind of like relive moments and you go back your head about like, but they said this to me and we did this. And like, what did this mean? But this must have not meant anything or they use me or all those things that like make it harder to get over someone. And imagine like having Christmas plans and being like, Hey, we're going to go to fly, get on a plane to meet your significant other's family. And you stay with him. And you are living in that community.

And they give you gifts. And then January 2nd, it's like, yeah, sorry. I was feeling. So when did you know? Well, you know. December 20th. What? What?

But what about the casserole you made for my family oh my gosh yeah that's painful um yeah it's it's a shitty situation either way but the question is what is better for the person being broken up with in the long run yeah um well i don't know if my theory is true so it's probably not but that's just what I saw when they were doing the heights thing. I was like, maybe he knows. And he's just really clinging onto the nerves and is acting more nervous. And you know what the justification always is for the show and the producers? And there's an argument to be made.

And that's why to this day, even though I was incredibly mad at Caitlin for bringing me to the altar, so to speak, for lack of a better term, was to this day, I now thank her for that moment. She gave me this opportunity to really have what I still, if I had to rank my moments on the show, it was my most honest and vulnerable and sincere moment. And I don't go back and watch it all that much. But when I, and I have seen it a couple of times, there's a sense of like, I handled myself really well. And like, that was like a, it was a good moment.

And so back to Serene's hometown, that moment she had with her brother of like getting emotional and him like expressing that type of care and love to Serene, that is a moment those two will share for the rest of their lives. and him expressing that type of care and love to Serene, that is a moment those two will share for the rest of their lives. And maybe a moment that they may never have had had Clayton not brought her to hometowns and gone through the motions

of leading her family on, so to speak. And so there is an interesting argument to be said of like, and the producers definitely operate with that mindset of. We're facilitating these moments. We're really fucking with you right now, but you might, you might appreciate differently down the road. And for a lot of us,

it's very true. Interesting. I mean, that is one way to take it. That's, that is a, that's one hot take. It's a question. I mean, I'd be curious if I ever get a chance to ask Serene,

if you knew Clayton knew he was going to send you home before he even got off that plane, would you have wanted him to meet your family and go through the motions so that you would have that moment with your brother? Or would you rather have him just not? I'd be willing to bet she would be glad it went down the way it did. Really? I mean, she was stone cold on the way out. She like, you could tell walls immediately up. I don't know. And I felt that that would be me leaving.

If I left, that would, I would, I mean, maybe I say that and it's not true. I don't think I would cry. I think I would be like, you're not getting another thing from me. Like, I feel like that's really what I would feel like. I literally, and I've joked with Caitlin, I wanted to push her in the pool. Like there was a pool, right? I was so, I was like, how could you do this to me? I was so embarrassed and hurt.

And just like beside myself of like, I asked you not to do this. I begged you behind closed doors. And like, instead behind closed doors, she's like, I love you. You know, I was like, Oh my, I was filled with like so much hurt and anger, but like, as time passed, I really, I'm grateful. I truly am. I cannot believe that happened happened I forgot how like deeply sad that moment was um it it's just it just it's a it's a lesson in kind of time and perspective so I don't know if Serene feels that now you know and I certainly don't think she felt it in that moment that's for sure like when Clint was breaking up with her but I wonder down the line

after watching it like for example I wonder if she feels that way now watching it back with her. But I wonder down the line after watching it, like, for example, I wonder if she feels that way now watching it back with her brother. Yeah. And watching the moment her brother had with Clayton too, like realizing how strong she is and how much she's grown and the fact that she opened up to Clayton so quickly after like the stuff with her cousin. And I'm like, it's beautiful that he can kind of see the strength in his sister probably more than he's given her credit for as well. So I think that that was a cool moment yeah and then we'll kind of like segue into rachel's hometown with her her dad too like like is her dad like from the mafia i don't like yeah dude that's intense to get his like seal handshake and like arm of approval thing that that was intense i loved i like her dad had a maybe maybe rachel and

her dad have cried together before also maybe not like you know what i'm saying like that was intense and the fact that she knew him so well to be like this is literally what you're gonna get if he approves of you and he did it like perfectly like that was crazy to me this is not a guy who is leading with his emotions and feelings often and to have that sit down with his daughter rachel and we don't know what's going to happen with rachel but like i'm pretty sure either suzy or rachel are gonna be devastated yeah in fact i think if there's going to be what i hear is it's again we always hear how it's going to be an epic it's going to be a real ugly ending and there's going to be some real just is it's again, we always hear how it's going to be an epic. It's going to be a real ugly ending and there's going to be some real hard people.

I'm confused as to why they're teasing it. Like the way that they've teased the ending of like the I'm in love with all three and I've like been intimate with all three, all of that. I'm like really confused because they've cut it so many different ways now. And now they've like stopped teasing that completely. I'm like, what is going on? I don't know. I hear it's going to be a mess. I cannot wait. Should we do some predictions based on what we think could happen? Elise? I personally think, okay, this is my thing. I think Rachel's going to go home next.

It's going to be between Susie and Gabby. Really? Yeah. And then I think it's going to be Susie gets picked and Gabby is the bachelorette. That's what I think. But I, but I think it's going to be before he, he goes and like kick kicks Rachel off. He's going to say, I would, I have said, I love you to all three of you. And I have been intimate with all three of you. The reason why he chooses to share that. I have no clue. That's obviously what's assumed. If you're not okay with

that, you shouldn't be on the show. But I just think it's really bizarre that like, it's been teased that he says that and then like loses his mind. I think some, I think something goes wrong. Like maybe someone's not like here for the right reasons, but then he like, have you seen the clips where he's like walking away and he's like, I can't believe she's done this. And it's like, I'm devastated. Yeah. Like something has to happen more than just them not responding well to him having sex with three women. I get the whole, you know what you signed up for type of thing. But once you get on that level, it's easy to say, you know what you signed up for when you're going on group dates and it's all kind of silliness and you're doing naked obstacle courses. But when you're down to

the final three and you're being reminded every day that it ends in an engagement, you start thinking about life outside of the bubble and you start thinking about, like, you stop being like, okay, I know what I signed up for. You start, like, thinking about your life, right? So anytime we've had a bachelor or a lead, like, look like they're beside themselves about uh leaving

is usually because like someone they really like either left on their own or quit or or threatened to leave or things like that right so i mean and if clayton tells one of the tells all of them hey i hooked up with all of you maybe one of or maybe all maybe more than one of the women doesn't handle it what if all of them leave maybe all of them leave well i've heard that it's a very non-conventional ending that's never like existed so i'm like it's probably that all of them leave could be that right so but you think you think Gabby has surpassed Rachel yeah I don't know why I feel like Rachel's like the development of her as a person on this show has stopped I don't I don't think that's really what was happening in real life but I think that the the information that we've that like editors and all of that have chosen to give us about the

contestants, it's just stopped with Rachel. I don't know any more about her now than I did before. You're right. And that's an interesting point. But I would guess that has more to do with Rachel had such a head start and they're trying to play catch up all while giving Gabby a potential bachelorette edit. That's interesting. See, I would never have thought that. I'm like, I see more as a viewer because I don't know that background. So that does make a lot of sense because they did. Their date was like, it's her. It's her. It's obviously her. But who knows? I mean, we never would have thought Justin would have been top two. You know what i'm saying like i i just think because they gave they gave he gave rachel the last rose and so that to me was like he was more confident and maybe order it doesn't really mean anything okay uh i was i'm

more shocked that they chose to air it that way because i didn't i i thought they took the the gabby or serene suspense yeah because. Because honestly, going into this week, I was like, who's going to go home, Gabby or Serene? I never thought, I never imagined it would be Rachel or Susie. So just as a viewer, I was like, oh, well, I guess Serene's going home. See, I thought it was between Rachel and Serene. Because they can air that out of order pretty easily. But I will say, Susie getting the first rose wasn't edited because that's harder to edit.

And Sean and Josh both got the first rose on the week of Hometowns and they both won. So I don't know if that matters. When Rachel's dad was like, what are you going to do if you hurt her? Like the reality of the situation is that you're going to hurt dad was like, what are you going to do if you hurt her? Like the reality of the situation is that you're going to hurt some women. Like, how are you going to handle that? And I thought that was kind of Clayton's version of the like, I'm not going to hurt her wink.

So that's why I still think Rachel's like the front runner. I still think Rachel's the front runner. You just read it so wrong. Yeah, maybe I'm reading it wrong. I mean, if you made me pick, I'm i maybe yeah maybe i'm reading it wrong i i i mean if you made me pick i'm gonna say rachel's a front runner but to me it's just like 1a 1b with him and suzy i don't i i and when we had clayton he kind of earnestly and sincerely when we were like what do you what do you have any regrets he's like falling in love with two women maybe he said two

i believe or but i think he really i think he truly actually fell in love with two people where that doesn't usually happen. They might like two people. You might be confused towards the end. But like, I don't know if people actually fall in love with two people. And I don't know how you'd stop it though. Like, how do you do, how do you not?

If you really feel that way. Yeah. So I think he's really torn which will play a role into how this all yeah goes down uh at least we know you have to go this has been an absolute pleasure thank you for joining us uh come back when you are in town we'd love to have you your kind of recaps of your own on tiktok and I don't know. They remind me of when on Becca Kufrin season, when me, Dean and Jared did our bachelor.

What did we call it? We called it. Anyways. Yeah. I know exactly what you're talking about. The bad chiller. Yes. That's what it is.

Yes. Yes. So we call it the bad chiller. Yes. Very funny stuff. Elise. I love it. Thank you. So we call it The Bad Chiller. Yes. But very funny stuff, Elise. I love it. Thank you.

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