The Viall Files - E449 Bachelorette Recap w/ Blake Moynes

Episode Date: July 19, 2022

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Bachelorette Recap Edition! Today we are back with another episode, joined by Blake Moynes of Bachelor Nation! In this episode we start things off by diving into some hot questions and check-in on Blake to see how he is dealing with his breakup of Katie, how long it took him to recover, and what he’s focused on now. We ask if there was emotional cheating in his relationship and then ask him about his time on the Bachelor and his interactions with Greg on Season 17 of The Bachelorette. We ask how valid it was that Katie said she knew that Greg was not the one and we solve the mystery behind Blake’s censored painting. We then respond to our episode last week and talk about our approach to responding to drama and how our response to Katie differs from the situation where Blake Horstmann leaked texts. After some Bachelor Nation Tea, we dive into recapping the latest episode of The Bachelorette. On the latest episode, we find that there were a lot of upset eliminations, with Jordan the drag racer being sent home despite going on a one on one date, and how the first impression rose doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re safe. With two Bachelorettes, are the dynamics different and are previous signs of going far in the season now signs you’ll be sent home next? We also talk about if the guys should be focusing on one bachelorette or should they get to know a bit about both, if nicknames are a sign you’re not being taken seriously, and if there will be jealousy between both of the Bachelorettes.  “Man earned that f*ckboy edit!” Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes.  Pre-Order Nick’s Book: https://www.abramsbooks.com/product/dont-text-your-ex-happy-birthday_9781419755491/ Check out our new "Introvert" merch at http://www.viallfiles.com today! THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Mejuri: Make your own day and go to http://www.Mejuri.com  Episode Socials:  @viallfiles @nickviall @blakemoynes See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

what's going on everybody welcome back to another exciting episode of the vile files bachelorette recap edition back in studio it's good to be back it's really good to be back it's good to see these wonderful faces ali and amanda who are with me thank god you took that intro because we had to do it last time and it was a lot of pressure i think you guys did great thank you nicely done i just listened the first half nice little banter yeah it's like we've been doing this for a while or something yeah so go check out the ask nick episode that's out uh was out this this morning some great advice great great content yeah good intro from the ladies our uh wonderful guest today blake moines is with us to uh help uh break down episode two of this season of the bachelorette you also are welcome to join us in the uh bachelor

tea uh how are you blake i'm good man you are good wonderful it's been i feel like it's been a long this season of The Bachelorette. You also are welcome to join us in the Bachelor Tea. How are you, Blake? I'm good, man. You are? I'm good. Wonderful. I feel like it's been a long time. I feel like this could have happened a long time ago.

Well, it's happening now. Yeah. We're here. It's like, where was my invite? Well, no, but we had chatted about it before. I'm glad to have you. I feel like we've got a lot to talk about. Do we? Well, you usually spend this time recapping

And tea but by all means What do you want to chat about? No I just mean Update the people in your life I mean say it's been a couple seasons We've never chatted before so I just feel like there's How's your heart? It's good now because time heals all man

Would you say you're 100% healed? Yes How long did it take say you're 100% healed? Yes. You are? Yes. How long did it take to get to 100%? Quicker than you think. Only because I think she made it easy for me to just like, okay, I'm good. You know?

Okay. If that makes sense. Yeah. How long did it take? Probably like six to eight weeks, I think. Okay. Just because when the new relationship six to eight weeks, I think. Okay. Just because when the new relationship kind of took off, I was just like.

What was the hardest part about getting over that relationship? And what was the easiest part about getting over that relationship? I'm referring to his relationship with Katie in case anyone doesn't know. I think they do. I know we're like bizarrely speaking with cryptic terms. I know you. Yeah. I think the easiest and the hardest is actually the exact same thing, which is the hardest being trying to figure out how much that maybe mentally played into how it ended at the end.

You're referring to her relationship with John? Yes. But that also made it the easiest because once it moved on, I was like, hey, I'm good. You know what I mean? It made it easy. For me, if someone does something, even though I really, truly, like I said, I really don't think there's any cheating there at all. I really don't. I really don't.

What's your definition of cheating? I'm talking like physically. Okay. I don't think there was at all. But what about emotionally? I personally do feel like just time-wise alone, it was just so quick that like there had to have been something there for it to like click that quickly. Gotcha. But that also like the jump between relationship just made it easy to move on move on you know it was just like okay i'm good you know

and now and what's your love life looking like these days i'm not prioritizing it i just feel like i can't right now you're not prioritizing and dating why i keep the door open if something somebody wows me but i'm not like i haven't been on a date in a long time i just don't prioritize it but i'm jumping around stuff i'm not. I haven't been on a date in a long time. I just don't prioritize it. But I'm jumping around and stuff. I'm not ready to fully take something on. There's a difference between not prioritizing it and avoiding it. And I feel like for you not to go on any dates,

there seems to be some sort of avoidance. I mean, you're a handsome guy fresh off the two bachelorette stints. I feel like you could procure a date if you wanted to. And I feel like you must be getting asked at some point yes I just feel like it's a waste of time unless someone's truly wowing me and there's really purpose to go out and meet otherwise I'm like what are some of the things that like make you that wow you or like some of the things you notice at first that give you the hope or

motivation to actually engage in that way yeah I think more so now it's alignment. So I've just so much recently dove into this whole wildlife conservation space and doing that so much. I'm so passionate about it. And I'm always on the go and traveling that I would like to find somebody kind of in that space, someone that truly supports that number one. And then maybe someone that lives a little closer to me. And where are you living these days?

Just outside Toronto right now. Okay. Yeah. So, cause that was an issue before. So. I feel like Toronto has some great women. It does. It does.

No, it definitely does. But I'm also never around there, man. Like I've been out and away and traveling more than I've been at home. Like this last month have been like five days at home. So right now you're just comfortable prioritizing Blake.

Yeah. Okay. It feels, it feels good right now. I feel like the right one will come along at the right time. Why No Paradise for you? Were you asked? Yes. A couple of reasons.

One, just too much. I couldn't even imagine sitting and doing that again. Number two, I just- Well, I mean, it's very different than what you experienced. Yes. But I just, you know, after the two seasons that i was on going in and diving into that again was too much too soon i felt good taking a taking a step out of that toxic like article this i just didn't want to dive into it it's been nice to be able to breathe and like

not get caught up in another potential thing with no i'm good i already been dealing with the claritatia katie thing i don't need to go back and be diving into that claritacia well people are always like oh three bachelorettes okay yeah i hear you let me breathe do you think if the doors open for a possible return in the future if you know if like let's say you you do this traveling next year you're still living the single life and you get a call, do you open to going back in the future? This is, this is one thing I have thought about and I'm like, you know, as you know, I, I like to emote Nick. And when I go into situations, I like to like dive in and really have like a, a reason to go there. So I went on Katie season. That's why I went in so

headstrong with Claire. Like I'm like, this is what I'm doing like i'm not very open and so i think it depends i don't know you want to be obsessed with someone well uh no but like i like you want to come in guns a blazing i'm really yeah yeah i'm not respect that you know you you know who you are like yeah we love that yeah so i'm like you know if there's somebody there like i'm super interested in what will i want to go and do that or do i want to play it differently maybe and come in, not looking at anything, not interested in anyone, and just see what happens, which is probably the way I should go about things from now on

and not go in so headstrong because that hasn't worked in the past. I'd love for you to go open-minded. I think that would be the play. I just heard it's more fun and more – Yeah, it can be more fun. I feel like I think you could do well down there. I would like to see you narrate some of the behaviors on the beach. I think you would do well.

Appreciate that. What do you think? No, I think it'd be fun. Yeah. Well, we'll see. Right.

We got another year. We'll see. Are you close with anyone from either of your seasons? I would say you're friends with some guys, but are you close, close with any of them? Yeah. I would say,

uh, Zach, Zach, uh, Ed, actually Noah has come a long way um no jason yeah those guys i think for the first season right you bond with the sexy that came in late it was a good guys and i'm still friends with them but it wasn't the same type of like first

experience you kind of bond also you won that season in the winter sometimes gets put on an island yeah and i tried not to make that happen. And I mean, I've rekindled with a lot of like, you know, talking to Greg. When did you think Katie was going to pick you? I was pretty confident right off, like the first one-on-one. Okay. Like the first day, I guess. No.

Because I show it in late. Yeah. Yeah. The first day, I think that, that one-on-one. What gave you that confidence? It just went perfectly. I mean, listen, that's what's crazy think that one-on-one. What gave you that confidence? It just went perfectly. I mean, listen, that's what's crazy about that is start to finish, it went perfectly.

There wasn't, I mean, I saw the things after the fact and watched it back, and I'm like, okay, maybe it wasn't that perfect. So, but you, Greg, you didn't really see Greg as a threat ever? I knew that he was the other serious consideration, and that was a mutual respect that we had in the house where when we had time to, you know, be away from the the guys i like we would comment and be like listen i just want because i could tell that he was also taking it super serious and so you saw that i could feel it from him and we had like quick banter like in the house i'm like hey just let me know like i respect

like i know this is going to be tough and it's i'm like because i could respect that he was taking it seriously he was more to himself closed off and you could tell that he was emotional about things happening to house. And it was hard, it was hard for him to, I knew he was kind of rattled that when I came in, he didn't think he was an actor. No.

And now that, I mean, there's instances after with all the things that come out when I look back and I'm like, well, was he in that point? Like, did he have me too?

But then I've talked to him since then. That's the thing is I rekindled after I only knew one side before and i've talked to him since i think it's interesting that you notice like for example when because i i it resonates with me because like on on caitlin and and andy's season both with josh and sean regardless of like our relationship or whatever i knew that like sean was very into caitlin like i i respected his interest in caitlin relative to like all the other like you know i knew jared really liked caitlin and and and ben i didn't honestly ever buy his interest in in caitlin not that he didn't like caitlin but like there was something very different with sean and even the same with with uh with uh with josh you know like i i i bought josh's interest in andy i didn't buy chris souls

and so i think it's interesting you notice that about greg and that speaks to what you perceived as his sincerity about the process when he was going through it i would say like when i came off you know those things were going around i'm like well he's gotta be really damn good at it then because like i remember like in the moment i'm like because he took an acting class yeah if that's the if that's it right so my tune has changed on that massively and especially because i've talked to him and i didn't before all i knew was one side before and i've heard kind of both now and it's kind of just changed my outlook on all of it all i mean the whole season altogether i don't even know two weeks ago for the first time

i was filming stuff with wolves in connecticut and i brought someone along with me who has one i was just away doing this thing and the person that i came to film it she hadn't seen anything before and i tried i was like listen i haven't seen anything since but i could hear her here's a clip like you could see what it's like and this and that was it i've never felt so icky watching something back what have you seen with did you did you show her well she she clicked on one from the first season first it was like the funny one where i went a little overboard with that orgasm scene if you remember and then we went into then she clicked on one where it was like an intimate very intimate with and i'm like you know the music and the song and i'm like i could i'm never i will never watch that shit back again not even i don't want to hear it i

don't want to it's just icky will you tell us what was blacked out on your painting yeah oh my god yes thank you ali the question on America's Heart. Did you ever answer that? Yeah. It might have come up somewhere. It was the seeds of life. What the fuck is that? So semen, cum?

Yes. Why'd you draw cum on it? What? What do you mean? You drew ejaculation? Ejaculate? Okay, hold on a second. The seeds of life.

And who refers to it as the seeds of life? Because I don't like talking about it like that. Because I talked about it in a very like, the way I explained it was like. I thought like the seeds of life would be like some like poem from like a poem called the seeds of life. Well, okay. So. How did you draw it? Can you draw it?

Can we get Blake a pen? I took, so i blocked it like a pen i want to see what he drew no you can't you can't really write it in the book i mean listen you can imagine i just took a paintbrush i dipped it in water i've made a black canvas draw for me we won't we won't black it out on this show the seeds of life how did you even pick up on that it was i mean something that's blacked out seeds of life so you drew a bunch of tadpoles no i listen i dipped a paint brush in water with paint and i stood back and i flicked and so it went so splatter and the idea

why was it did you put a pp on it why was it blacked out because it was very like this is seen it was very i'm sorry but if you flick something like that and when i'm talking and explaining it then be like what was the prompt again what were you supposed to paint i don't remember it was like an expression expression and i was talking i forget what it was but i think my explanation was pretty good see the difference here is that you know i made that you know sculpture i made on the other season which i got a lot of flack for, which also had a great explanation to it that they never showed.

And so this was a different type. But anyways, they had the explanation for this, which I was happy that, you know, they showed this time. Otherwise I would have got flack for that too. Seeds of life.

That's the title of this episode. Seeds of life. With Blake Moynes. Someone going forward is going to like, he could grab a towel and wipe the seeds of life Off my stomach I want to see the seeds of life on my face Listen I mean yeah

Are you ready for my seeds of life Okay but can you imagine going up there And there's all these cameras And you're like whoa Blake what is that Fall over me like ugh Yeah but you're not saying Pre-seeds of life You're not saying come

When the artist asks what is that your pre-seeds of life doing that when the artist asked what is that i'm not going oh it's come like no i'm not like i'm like it's seeds of life that and the explanation was supposed to be like nice we love you blake hey you jewelry lovers out there miss jury who they make amazing jewelry and what i love about it is that for me i love that super affordable and i love it that the ladies like it and by lady i mean my girlfriend and i also think with jewelry like you know you have that one pair of earrings that you wear 90 of the time it's so worth investing in and majori is made for long-term use like it is not going to fall apart it's not flimsy it's really high quality stuff,

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Should we jump in? We love some bachelor tea. Blake, you are welcome to participate however you choose. The rules of this segment is they ask for attention, we tend to give it to them. Okay. All right. So there was a little bit of feedback after our episode last week where we discussed the Katie of it all.

And Blake Horsman took to his Instagram story about Nick, and he said, quote, this has to be a joke, right? This man has talked shit about me for four years because he can't get over, even though he tells everyone to get over everything, my text release from BIP for an actual big deal. Then he releases text for something as stupid and benign as this.

Biggest hypocrite in the world. So he's saying- I think he meant it was incredibly important that people know. He was like the WikiLeaks of Bachelor Nation. And you need to apparently let things go. I'm not surprised that that was his response. I anticipated he might respond. I'm sure some people might agree with him.

I definitely see a difference between the two. Yeah, I see a difference between me responding to Katie's random claim that she had me blocked from her phone suggesting that there was some sort of like texting relationship that didn't exist and then providing context around that by sharing the very last text message that she ever sent me compared to Blake who decided to post an entire screenshotted conversation about a sexual encounter he had with someone because he didn't like his fuck boy edit that he got from a show a fuck boy edit that i would argue that he very much earned man had a lot of sex he he had a lot of sex i've seen the man in action he He put the fucking fuck boy. Which is fine.

But he was gifted the Ben Higgins edit. And then he took that gift and had a ton of fun with a ton of different people. And he left a trail of collateral damage. And that came to a head on the beaches of paradise. And instead of looking at how his behavior and his choices might have played a role in that fuckboy edit, he decided to take someone down with him. Even though he was advised by friends of his not to post it and was warned how it might affect the people involved. Instead of taking their advice. No, he reached out to the person he would affect demanded that they put out a public statement or else. And when that person didn't do what he asked or demanded, he

posted it all over his social. So yeah, I guess I see a bit of a difference between those two situations which not everyone will agree with but uh and that's okay we still appreciate you listening and i also think it's funny for him to say this man has talked shit about me for four years when i'm like we only bring you into the conversation when you bring yourself into the conversation thank you for saying that that that. Listen, we started this segment. This Bachelor T segment, not my favorite to talk about. No, not mine either.

But you all love it. You all being listeners. The listener. And so who are we to say no to what we're trying to provide an entertaining show for you guys? And we do it with some ground rules. And those ground rules are, if you ask for attention, we we do it with some ground rules and those ground rules are if you ask for attention we'll give it to you we try not to spread uh hearsay or gossip post something

it's free game if you post it if you talk about it so if you're blake horseman not like moines or or if you're blake moines if you go on your social or other podcasts and you spread misinformation about the show, the people who make it, and more importantly, other people are on with you so that you can promote some false narrative that you're more like the Blake from Becca's season than the Blake from Paradise, then we'll probably have something to say about it. And if you want to be a fuckboy, be a fuckboy. But don't bring other people down and don't spread misinformation about other people just because you don't want to handle it. And you don't want the criticism. And for anyone who wants to bring up the debacle of AFR with Andy, I've been criticized for it.

I've taken the criticism. I've acknowledged that I've on several occasions wish I didn't say it. I've apologized privately and publicly to the person I affected. And my regret is around the fact that how it affected other people. Unlike Blake, who to this day will still say that he would still post this thing, regardless of how it impacted someone else's life. It's easier for him to blame other people rather than look in the mirror and consider that maybe his choices and his actions are the primary reason that things may not have worked out the way he wanted. It's not like I have this thing against any of these people, but if you're going to say shit, look, we're going to respond. you if you like the attention by all means keep like

we love the content thank you and we also love you using your platform to promote our podcast that's also generous well there's not like a ton of tt there's some some happy news in the nation um jed wyatt proposed to his girlfriend of three years. You know, you might remember Jed from Hannah Brown season. I do. I do remember Jed. But yes, he wrote a very, very long caption about everything they've been through and how he can't wait. He got engaged.

Okay. All right. Well, congratulations to Jed. On Friday, Dylan, Hannah G, Luke Pell, they all commented. Hannah Brown did not comment, did not surprise me in the slightest, but people seemed to flag that. You didn't expect her to comment. Exactly.

And Nick, because I knew you were going to ask she still does not follow her future sister-in-law who was Jed's ex so now Jed and the ex

are both engaged great everyone's in love everyone has found a new person and Hannah Brown will be forced to go to

to the wedding I'll always be team Hannah Brown on that story yep Becca and Thomas bought a house I saw that

yeah Becca posted on Instagram officially co-home owners Tommy is my new roommate and Minnow and Leo are our new tenants well she said let's fill this home

with so many laughs meals memories and maybe a couple babies ooh they want the bebes but yeah maybe a couple

that's two maybe a couple babies Susie and Clayton have decided that they're moving to Scottsdale you know They want the babies. Maybe a couple babies. That's two. Maybe a couple babies. Susie and Clayton have decided that they're moving to Scottsdale. He was in Arizona. They did that cross-country road trip. Now they're going back. They're going back.

Yeah. And they did discuss with Caitlin Bristow the premiere night, all of the Clayton slander, all that stuff that brought up. And Susie said, Clayton handled it better overall than I did. I was annoyed. He can laugh at himself and I can laugh at Clayton and I can laugh at myself. But also my fear is, does this open the floodgates back up of all of the hate and stuff? But Clayton definitely was going with the flow. He was able to laugh.

Yeah. I mean, like we said it last week, I thought it was bullshit. The show did that. I thought it was unnecessary and mean to their former lead. And I just got to say, it comes to Clayton and Susie, specifically Clayton, piggybacking off what we just mentioned about Blake. That's why Clayton has all my respect and why Blake has none of it. Because Clayton, he made mistakes. And no one was harder on Clayton than I was on this show. And Clayton fucked up

and he made some choices that affected other people. And he, he recognized it. He reflected on it. He owned it. And he could have blamed other people. He had a lot of reasons to like criticize the show. And it's not like we've ever, like, it's not like even Blake didn't have reasons to be frustrated at the show. We've all been there. I know, I assume that you have things that you're frustrated with the show about. I certainly have been there. But like, some people choose to like, look at what they can control. And then they focus on the mistakes that they made. And Clayton made mistakes. And he's done nothing but like take ownership of those mistakes he hasn't blamed the show and the show left him on an island I mean he could easily be like I didn't know what I was doing and like they they just let me like bury

myself I also think it's significant that he's taken on a level of responsibility and growth that is good enough to one of the people who's most directly impacted by his behavior like i think suzy has incredible judgment and if he is proceeding in a way that is good enough for someone who is so harmed or sort of like at the center of everything i think that's also a big testament to like how authentic him trying to do this work and growth sure but like that's more importantly is like he hasn't he like he hasn't like every time he gets interviewed he he doesn't bring up he doesn't make excuses he just he talks about what he could have done differently and what he's learned and what how he would try to improve on that situation and like that's all we can try to do is just learn from our mistakes, not constantly blame others by throwing other people under the bus.

They even did like a little, like they did TikToks about the whole night. Susie did the, um, the Will Smith, get my wife's name out of your mouth thing. They lip sync to the Clayton Sucks kids choir. Like they're great. Susie's TikToks are hysterical she's born for it she's very funny and uh they're a good man i love that i love those two like one of my favorite bachelor nation couples yeah he's turning around big time i was in a message the other day he's posting something he's like doing all the workout stuff and he's showing what they're actually like and it's like all the things he's went through he could have went a whole other way and it's easy for contestants to go the other way when things don't go the way you think on the show i think everyone goes into the show with high expectations

i'm going to look like this this is going to happen for me all these things them and their moms are like you're going to be the next star and then when it doesn't happen right people attack they go it's like you signed that like why did you come up with the highest expectation ever because you're only setting yourself up for failure and if that really doesn't go the way you want it you attack the show it's just it's just i don't know it can be a worse look like just own it you own it's what you signed up for yeah i mean it's easier said because you know i haven't had it terrible and maybe that day will come but i don't know i just i think you got to come in with less expectations and be pleasantly surprised yes should we get into the episode yeah let's get into the episode all right a lot of surprises this episode i uh i don't know how you guys felt but uh gabby and rachel

keeping us on our toes i uh from jordan is it v jordan v going home i think everyone was surprised there yeah mario getting the last rose not that that that's really Gabby or Rachel's choice, but like, I'm curious about that. We can discuss that. Chris being booted in the middle of the cocktail party. Well, that wasn't necessarily a surprise.

I just thought that it was funny when he came back. But like, I was just more like, like Jordan V going home on his, on the first one-on-one with Rachel. I think that was very much a surprise. Mario getting the very last rose was a surprise. We'll discuss those and what that means.

What's his name? We had him in our top four for Gabby, and he's gone. Ryan. Yeah, Mr. Boston. Mr. Whiteboard. Like, you know, Clayton 2.0. Maybe it was his Clayton PTSD. They had such good rapport that they showed night i'm like he fucked up in some way something happened because like

they had banter so if he's going home i feel like he must have something like gabby didn't gabby say like it wasn't like she commented on the banter did she not yeah it was that was like easy i think yeah i think you're right like something. He must have said something weird. He was surprised too. You could see he was super surprised. Oh, yeah. When you think about what we've heard from Gabby and Rachel so far, how night one they talked to half of the men.

So right off the bat, you're just like, okay, I really don't have these people. And then, again, it's so so hard to like have banter. Everyone's nervous to meet someone who just like is easy to talk to. The fact that like Gabby didn't get engaged to Ryan is not surprising, but for him going home week two, knowing what it's like to be the lead and just being like,

yeah, let's just keep this guy around. He's easy to talk to. My guess is either he said something weird to gabby or he was one of those people who showed up and immediately started like pointing things out like pointing out the cameras and like critiquing the like production of it all like that that'll happen like yeah you know people are into the house the first week and then like they're making a TV show. So like the producers obviously want people who are going to like buy into the process. Like it's a fucking weird process. There are group dates and, and two and ones and one on ones and

roses. It's fucking weird. So let's just go along with it. And there are other people who show up and immediately start like being the know-it-alls and start like pointing shit out and like, like picking up on like oh like you're just trying to make me do this and it's just like i mean the producers are offering suggestions so you like kind of like they're trying to grease the the wheels so to speak they're honestly trying to help you out but like sometimes people will be really resistant to that and those people usually get the boot unless the lead is like no no i want to marry them so it and my guess it's one of those two like he either was like kind of just being

difficult to work with or he said something weird to gabby and i feel like they would have shown it had he said something weird that would have been good tv right yeah if there was like an awkward yeah you think because they're still like so far pretty like anticlimactic season i know it's early but it's been pretty like boring i think if that chris guy stayed along a little longer we could have a lot of issues with that guy i mean it's early i mean i'm willing to like i'm not trying to critique i'm not calling it a boring season but like it's it it's it's i feel like because maybe it's too bad charrettes i feel like it's taken a while like to get into the season we still don't even know like how this is going to play out you almost get the sense when you're watching it like like like gabby and rachel still really don't and they're like well just you

know like these roses mean that we both want you here like we know that's going to change at some point we don't know why and we don't know how but i think it's eventually going to change what did you think about them when they were at their house and they were basically trying to come up with a date idea and they're like well how do we see their abs if it's raining and like whatever like are they really that involved in the dates or was that all scripted scripted no i mean i mean i wouldn't say i wouldn't say that i wouldn't say they had a like my guess is you know from a production standpoint they were just like they have a lot of these guys here like they've never like filmed a show where week one they still have

30 is it was it 28 28 people they literally don't have enough room in the house. That was crazy. We couldn't have gotten air mattresses? There's guys sleeping outside. I don't know. I mean, they have the bunk beds, and there's always a set number of bunk beds, and they have a couple cots there as well, and they probably just ran out. And again, these people make decisions on the fly.

So night one dragged out, and Gabby and rachel were probably like we don't want to send guys home we didn't talk to and the producers probably got together had a five minute powwow and we're like oh fuck it we'll just keep them they'll sleep on a couch whatever is the mansion like is it that big have you never been there no no it's it's a good i don't know i don't know how to describe it. It's just a house. Isn't it true that it's actually someone's like real home and they have it most of the year? It's someone's real second home.

Oh, okay. Yeah, so it's raining. They probably were just like, the producers were probably like, I don't know, let's fucking just have like a pool party. I think they were just trying to like, we need, it was like, it was basically like night one 2.0, right?

Like that's why it was all, like it 2.0, right? Like that's why it was all, like it was this everyone, right? Like let's just have the women show up and just keep hanging out with these guys. I know it's not ideal. It's not one-on-one. It's this big group setting, but it was just, I think, an opportunity to feel

like Gabby and Rachel could like interact with just all the guys. And I think it was more to do with that rather than really getting in to the season itself. But yeah, let's get naked right away. What would you guys have done for your talent?

If you would have been on this season? I don't, I don't have any talents like that. That's the hardest. Be on the spot like that. It's tough. It is really tough. Yeah,

no, you really get you like, you better have the voice of an angel, truly a voice of an angel not like a pretty good voice for you to go up there and sing to to serenade somebody let alone two people like it's gonna be even a good singer could come across as very cringe i never would pull that off never um would. Time to try that. Yeah, a lot of props to the guys though for like,

I mean, I can't, it's tough to critique. And once a whole bunch of guys go in front of you, like your idea gets taken, you're like, fuck.

I mean, if I could do the worm, I probably would have done the worm. Yeah. I thought Jacob, he was the one who came in all like

Fabio greased up night one. He whipped on some glasses. He was like, he sat down and was like for mortgage. Yeah. I thought that was very clever. Yeah.

Especially because he's already like kind of, he kind of brought it back to like a level head. Like, you know, I'm, this was a stick and I'm a normal guy. Yeah. Like,

so yeah, it gave some normalcy, like a good sense of humor. Like what's my talent? I know about like mortgages. What did you guys think about Johnny though? When they asked him who he would kiss and then he's like both. And then like gave him,

I don't know. He gave me a little like the vibes. It's a fine line. I feel like these guys are really trying to like, I don't think they know if they're allowed to like, like both of these women or if they're supposed to like lock in i feel like these you can tell these guys really don't know how to play this and they're not really getting any guidance from the show itself so it's like is this i don't want to be like yeah you know

i don't know am i supposed to pick but i don't really know either of you so like so i kind of cut them some slack because it feels like and my my guess is they're not getting a lot of guidance because i think the producers are just letting it play out to decide like who's who's the first one to make an ass of themselves and that'll help dictate our decisions is my guess but yeah i think everyone's just trying to feel it feel it out at what point do you think like if you're if you've like say logan last night when he kissed both at what point after this do you make it you've got to kind of make a decision no yeah i don't know yeah you're right like now that you're like you're uh kissing both what do we think of logan i'm starting to like want to hate him they lived they're gonna talk like it's

they know he's not doing anything wrong yeah it's okay up until this point but he's got to make a decision what do we think of gabby not telling rachel that she also made out with well i think it was clear that rachel was feeling less secure that night and like not as in her footing and also like the night started with someone saying to her face i am here for your friend and so i think gabby i think it was like i don't think it was her trying to omit i think it was like an emotional intelligence decision of like i don't want to poo-poo this moment for you by saying i also kissed him yeah but it's it's hard though because it's like yeah it's like do you give someone honesty in that moment was she supposed

to say something i don't know yeah i think she had the best intentions i agree with you there that she was trying to, she thought the, she thought the right decision was to not tell her and not take that away from, from Rachel. It just was like hard for her to feel somewhat rejected and then walk around and see Gabby kissing someone.

I don't know. It's just gotta be hard. She's the bachelorette. She's got all these guys to choose from. I know. I mean, it's kind of, but the way the show is framing it,

it feels like they're really setting us up for one person feeling less popular narrative. Yeah, that's the show doing that. I don't even know how real that is. Knowing what it's like to be the lead and then seeing how excited Rachel was for Tino. Tino was her first impression, Rose. The leads generally lock in to their favorites early on.

And the Bachelorettes have famously really locked in to their favorites. So this idea that now Rachel has forgot that Tino exists, a guy who she's excited about still has yet to really get to know. So she's not just like... Because in reality, my guess is that she's still excited to get to know so like she's not just like my because in reality my guess is that she's still excited to get to know tino and because she really likes tino uh he's going to be shelved for a one-on-one you know for a couple weeks in because like as far as it relates to the leads like the order of the one-on-one doesn't matter. It's far more important from a storytelling standpoint to the producers. So this narrative that Rachel has forgot that Tino is there and lost her

excitement, but she's so worried about these other guys that she doesn't know or haven't even talked to not giving her attention. I don't think Rachel is that petty or insecure, I guess. I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt that it's the show trying to create this storyline that doesn't really exist for dramatic effect because they're literally scrapping for drama on the first two episodes. You know what I'm saying? I think it's far more likely that Rachel's content. She's looking forward to getting to know Tino more.

Maybe there's a couple other guys that she like has piqued her interest and she just hasn't had a time to really sit down with them rather than her like losing her shit. Because one guy, Jason was like, just, I want to be up front with you. I'm here for Gabby.

Like, I don't think that Rachel is going to like melt down. But then Rachel has her one-on-one. She has a Rachel one-on-one with Jordan. And he was so good night one too. Like they almost kissed on night one. I feel like he was her like runner up for the first impression rose. Here's what is really surprising to me about Jordan going home.

Because it was the first one-on-one. Gabby or Rachel didn't save Jordan because I'm confident there's going to be a moment where one of the women isn't into one of the guys and he figures out how to stay on by like pursuing one of the other women who's who might be interested in and you have Gabby who hasn't had any time with Jordan, it seems like. And maybe Gabby's just like, Gabby must not be interested in him at all. Rachel was a little bit. And him going on a one-on-one probably had more to do with, like,

my guess is it was probably like, oh, he's a race car driver. You got the zero G date. Did it bring you back? Good memes. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. It was on my season. I really didn't

understand Jordan constantly saying how he's afraid of heights. I understand he's in an airplane. People usually say I'm scared of flying as opposed to scared of heights. They're two different things, right? Also, were there any tall ladders? Yeah, they're two different things. Also, they kept bumping their heads. Oh my god, yeah.

They kept hitting their heads. Floating's not easy. I was like, well, how much would it hurt? Quote of the episode. You ever floated before? Floating is not easy. I've done the zero G.

I lived it. You don't, you're floating. My first one-on-one with Danielle. Like, wonderful person. Can we re-watch your season?

Wouldn't that be fun? It's on my patreon if you want to do it i interview all the women for my season fuck me i guess quick five bucks no free ad free ad you know let's say like i i knew before i even went on the date that i wasn't gonna end up with her you know and and that's nothing nothing against danielle like there's a lot of these guys that Gabby and Rachel already know. Not my guy. But part of being the lead is just kind of going through it

and going on these dates with people you already know. There's not much there. And so you just go anyways. So I just find it really interesting that the show let her send him home? Was he just that boring? What was it that they were just like, no, he can go? I was surprised, but I liked it. I kind of liked it.

I knew the guys would react the way they did, and they all kind of spruced up. I thought it was cool from a show standpoint, but I was just kind of surprised it happened. Back at the house, Chris started making a name for himself. We have a face-off between the mentality coach and the life coach. Oh, yeah, true. Oh, my gosh.

Is that what Chris is? He's a mentality coach? Chris is a mentality coach, and Quincy is a life coach. But the best was after he- The only person who can protect a life coach in this atmosphere is a mentality coach. Yeah. Like a mentality coach can run cover for the life coach. Yes.

Because otherwise. Did you see though after he sang during the Speedo date, they changed his little thing on the ITM to say tone deaf? Yeah. They switched out mentality coach to tone deaf. I saw that. There was another one. Does it like it was does this all the time. And it was someone who said, I never do this.

And their cryon was does this all the time. Yeah. They seem to be having some fun with that. That's great. I love that. But Chris was saying that he had deal breakers and started bringing up fantasy suites. And it kind of gave me a little bit of Luke P energy. Yeah. and if it was it kind of gave me a little bit of luke p energy yeah well even before that while

they're before his speedo singing performance he like bizarrely talked about like being the alpha and like wanting to be a leader and it was like he said he said quote i'm the alpha like the number one leader no don't do that yeah it's like oh wow show you're an alpha you never say you're an alpha oh my god the basketball dancing and the stomping i was like it was not landing it was not so yeah he started off with some red flags there yeah like walking red flags yeah uh and then he sang like it's that type of singing where like i mean you could sing better than i can i can't sing for shit so like i'm not but it's not about that though you could be the best singer and if you voluntarily just like start i'm gonna be like but that's what i'm saying you have to have the

voice of an angel like you have to open your mouth and have me go oh god you're gonna sing and then have me cry yeah you know like it's so beautiful that i'm just like oh my god thank you angel but not like not like you're like you're good enough that your mom and aunt think you're good but like you still wouldn't make it on American Idol yeah if you wouldn't go to Hollywood on American Idol if you're not getting that ticket yeah like you're not

if you're not even if you get a golden ticket it's not the place I just think it's better to have like that as like a hidden talent and have someone else be like oh my god have you heard him sing then yeah it's like you want to be like the dark horse at karaoke who blows everyone's mind yeah not the like anyone want to hear me sing when like gabby and rachel are pulling like come on like what is something you're super secretive like yeah you're mysterious give me something like what like what's a hidden talent of yours like well'd be like, well, I mean, I do kind of like to sing.

I'm okay. I'm okay. Really? Would you sing for me? No. Like, I would rather, like, I'm uncomfortable. Like, please. No, sing.

Please sing. Yeah. No, come on. Really, I really, like, it's like, I don't want to serenade you. Like, I don't want to be that guy. Like, no, it would be a personal favor to me if you sing. Okay. Then it's okay.

Yeah. Only then. Only then. Not like, I just want to combine my three passions in life, telling people what to do, basketball and singing. It's like, what the fuck? And then when he was like, do you have any questions for me? And Gabby was like, no.

The look on Gabby's face when he started singing and it was just like this. Really love when Gabby doesn't like things. I know. It's really great. It was like when Clayton asked to walk her out and she was like, no, no. When Gabby doesn't like things, it's wonderful. But I will say this was like a great moment for Nate. I would say like his little like monologue when Chris started talking about fantasy suites

and how he wouldn't be okay with it. Nate said, anytime that you have premeditated thought of you wouldn't do that and less of that, that's a form of control and that is manipulative. This could be our queen. That could be the mother of our children. You cannot have preconditions to love. It's just a form of control that a lot of men

just don't realize that they do that damages good women. I'll be honest, when he said that, I didn't really understand what he was saying, but I loved it. Because it sounded really nice. That was the moment I liked. I'll be honest, when he said that, I didn't really understand what he was saying, but I loved it. Yeah, I liked it. Because it sounded really nice. I was surprised that he wasn't the, what is it? Mindset? Whatever. The

mentality coach. Yeah, the mentality coach. I mean, it was, well, I mean, Nate was, I mean, he was probably the winner of this episode. 100%. I had another great CTA from Jesse Palmer that I noted because of last week's.

Yeah. They're having fun with it. What is going on? Yeah, third glass of wine? I followed his instructions. Go ahead and give it third glass of wine, ladies. I did.

I said, okay, Jesse. Did he say ladies? No. But it was implied. We can fix it. It was heavily implied that it was for the ladies. Yeah, why?

Jesse was being a girly. Jesse is a girly? Caitlyn should be reading these. I think it's so much funnier coming from him. But that's a good point. If it were Caitlyn. If they were going to mix it up,

Caitlyn should be reading these. It's interesting. I find that sometimes when Gabby and Rachel talk, it kind of reminiscent of the Tayshia Caitlyn banter I do like the two of them like the fact that

they can do little like regroups with each other we'll get into like Nate's date but I thought it was so natural when they're like

going into the kitchen she's like hey we're having champagne you want a glass like it's like that's what girls who are like roommates or friends would do

I like it on this season I didn't like it as hosts of the show but I like it for this season. I didn't like it as hosts of the show, but I like it for this season. Because it's got to just be so lonely. Now that I see it with two, I'm like, I'm not sure I'd want to do it by myself.

Yeah, I think there's... Could you imagine doing it with a guy? Another guy. Like you and me, buddy? Let's go. It's really hard to do. I mean, put it this way. Filming it? Yes. it would be amazing to have a break. You know, like, you know, when Gabby was on the date with Nate and, like, he, you know, started at their place

and, like, Rachel was, like, just there. How wonderful. Like, you know, that was kind of, like, awkward at first. Like, wow, did they have to come there? But, like, Rachel got to, like, you know, that was kind of like awkward at first, like, wow, I didn't really have to come there. But like Rachel got to like probably chill a little bit. She, she probably did some pickups and some ITMs to like, you know,

but like that didn't take all day, but usually as a lead, it's just non fucking stop. It's just every day, a date and mentally it's got to, it really must make it much easier for the women. Well, Nate showed up, had a little champagne, got in a helicopter, boom, boom, pow. I mean, he crushed it start to finish.

Yeah. Did we skip going over the group date? Yeah, I guess going back to that, yeah, it did seem like they accidentally ended up with a more Gabby-leaning group to the after party which thinking about it I would totally kind of spiral if as the bachelorette someone was like I'm not here getting rejected and just like a very kind but very direct way no on TV like I would for sure start to be like I get what you're saying because as a lead you're told that everyone is there for you i think also rachel is someone who hopes very dearly or like i think she's someone who's very present in the moment

and has really high hopes for this process i think part of her sending home jordan v was like i know that there is something off and it's not going to be him in the end it's not that he's not good enough to make it the cut for a little while and so i think rachel is someone who really is looking for that like kind of perfect fairy tale and i think having those expectations means that like disappointment probably hits really hard probably but if that's the case if if then i would expect to see more of rachel sending guys home on one-on-ones which i think would be great yeah i'd like that you know just rachel continuously bringing down the axe no really i mean like i did that on my season but i would like to see i think it'd be really interesting to especially if one of them did that where it was like you saw rachel like i think that would be a very compelling storyline of rachel like

being very mad at a fact but but then is she having a moment where she has to wonder if she needs to open up her horizons, so to speak, because she has tunnel vision. I don't know, but it's a compelling storyline if she just keeps axing guys on one-on-ones. It could be a huge change for the show because I think before I always thought of one-on-ones as like pretty much,

especially in the early weeks, like guaranteed rows, unless someone like does something big or messes up in a major way, but it could be a very cool evolution. If one-on-ones become a lot more like make or break. I, I, Hey,

I mean, I'm all for it. Like I said, I think I sent eight people home, not on a rose ceremony on my season. Did you? Yeah. Good for you. It's hard to mix it up it's not easy to do i wanted to give everyone their due attention yeah and i would love to see that from a bachelorette i think it also would go over even better you know it would i think it would come across as more empowering and more kind of

like i know what i want and and like the way she handled the exit with Jordan, I thought was very gracious and she was very sweet and considerate. And I thought like Rachel came across very well. Yeah, I mean, I get what you're saying. I could see Rachel being rattled through it and anyone would feel like rejected, but I don't believe that Rachel is going to spiral from this.

I don't believe that it's an actual real concern of hers. You know what I'm saying? I don't think she Rachel is going to spiral from this. I don't believe that it's an actual real concern of hers. You know what I'm saying? I don't think she's like going home, going to bed and being like, no one likes me. You know, like I think she's going to be fine and I think she's a confident person who believes in herself and she can handle totally one guy.

She's secure. Not being, being there for Gabby, you know, do we want to talk about the Logan kissing both of them and more in depth do we want to there's just something about Logan that's kind of he brought up

I clocked him mentioning his niece and it made me think about you and I think you said this the other week about like guys who like lead with like their nieces it's like it's a fuckboy lead with like their nieces it's like oh my god the prop yeah they use their nieces as props to be like look at how endearing and lovable and oh you're

thinking of me as a dad and i'm hot and it very much sounded like he just kind of randomly like don't tell my like but it was kind of endearing where he was like i'm sorry mom i'm sorry dad i'm sorry grandma to my niece do not watch this. I'm sorry, grandma. To my niece, do not watch this. And I'm like, I hear that. Like, you're about to... Wait, how... If that's not using his niece as a prop, what could be? Putting her in a grocery cart and walking her around the store?

No, I'm just saying, but if you're going to randomly bring up... Well, I think it was a well-executed. Okay. Yeah. You bought it. It was bullshit, but he delivered it in a way yeah he did a great job okay all right it worked i was like oh cute he has a niece yeah that didn't work on me um you're on high alert now i'm on high alert i was like niece no fuck boy yeah there's just something about him that's just like i don't know well it seems like kind of what you were saying

about how there's a lot of men who sometimes go on the scene or not a lot but there's a significant portion of men who maybe don't have the most like banter suave energy game etc and it seems like logan is very clearly someone who's easy to talk to yeah and compelling and nice but also he you know who else eric the guy who got really upset when he didn't get one of the first impression roses after kind of like schmoozing up with both of them and having good conversations with both of them i've been kind of like keeping my eye on him as a little villain we'll see no for sure yeah we talked about this last week he definitely got some like red flat like villain red flags what he did was not even a big deal but the way they showed it they amplified it and made it seem like a big deal because they showed that kind of hidden camera shot.

And that hidden camera shot gives you, as a viewer, the, I'm not supposed to see this. Like I caught you saying something I shouldn't have caught you say. And that was him showing this kind of petulance or frustration, which like all he did was, and it was probably like, hey man, are you like disappointed? like yeah i thought i was like i thought i'm gonna get one and not that big of a deal but i think you're right like it's i'm i think we should keep an eye on

him he's very charming he's very good looking guy he seems like suave but like low-key and i i i'm really curious uh yeah there there's, I'd be shocked, and I've already been shocked, so we've been wrong already. But I will be also surprised if Eric doesn't have a moment, if he's good or bad. You know who we need to talk about?

Tyler. Because I saw him in, I was like, who's that hot guy? Like, they showed him for just a second and it didn't have like a name under him. He is the Ben Higgins of the season. I think he's going to win. I think he's Rachel's pick. Yeah.

I'm saying it. I'm clocking it right now. I think Tyler is going to be. Tyler, Tyler, Tyler, Tyler. He's like a cutie brunette. Where is this? Great smile. Too nice.

You think this guy wins? Yeah. Too nice. Too nice? And I'm wrong about those things he just comes off very he came off very nice I don't know we just don't know anything

good bod how do you know that from a headshot I just remember the speedo I just remember like oh good bod I can see it in his jaw

I think he's I think he's a cutie and I think he's a sweetie okay okay gets that off for sure. Who were kind of your standouts either in negative potential villain edits or going far? I think Jason being quiet.

This low-key guy, I think he'll go far. I don't know. Jason? Yeah. He was the one who said, I'm here for Gabby to Rachel. Oh, handsome guy. Has a Michael Buble look to him. He's also who said, I'm here for Gabby to Rachel. Oh, handsome guy. Has a Michael Buble look to him. He's also taller than I thought.

Like when I saw him with Gabby, I was like, oh, you're scaled up. That's awesome. Well, all these guys are generally tall. Yeah, but it seemed like they were both into him. And I feel like he might be falling flat. He was one of the people selected for this. It was all based off a Speedo competition. So clearly it was like he was hand selected for whatever reason we don't really know.

And it seemed like both Rachel and Gabby had their eye on him. And he ended up not getting either of their roses. In fact, we didn't like see much banter from either of them and that just tells me that like you know like for a guy you have to make connections pretty quickly and when you have a moment like you have to leave a lasting impression like the reason why like we still don't know about tyler right because we never we haven't really been shown any one-on-one time with tyler got put on a very small intimate group date with two leads not even one two and and yet they didn't really they showed the conversation starting but they there was nothing about the conversation to show

i think they both think he's hot and then they sit down and talk to him and he's not really giving him anything like i think he's like it's a mysterious quiet thing they kind of like secretly. Yeah, maybe. But I don't think that gets you very, that gets you noticed. That doesn't get you to advance. Not in that world. You don't get to play the quiet, mysterious guy very long in that world. You have to like make a connection.

Because while you're playing it cool and quiet, you got Tino sweeping you off your feet. And then when you have a sea of guys and you literally are trying to remember them all, you're just like, oh yeah, Jason, I thought he was hot. But I spent five minutes with him and it was painful to talk to. So I think Jason's going to go home by week four. Could be wrong.

I've been way off. I mean, again, I thought – I think we had two guys go home this week that we had in Final Four last week. So who the fuck knows. And also Brandon went home like absolute smoke show. Sorry. We're jumping all over the place. So Brandon went home, like absolute smoke show. Sorry, Blake. We're jumping all over the place.

Did you DM him already? No, I'm happily dating. Yeah, they sent home some hotties. Yeah, some ringers. Meanwhile, they're keeping like fucking. What's a ringer? I don't think that, I think that's the wrong word choice for, like ringer. Ringer would be more of a. Like a bat, like he's a ringer i don't think that i think i think that's the word wrong word choice for like ringer ringer would be more of a like a bat like a he's a ringer wait i thought i thought it was a good thing i thought it was like a heavy hitter like you're a ringer no like in hockey like you bring

a ringer on like a ring he's a guy's a ringer like he fills a spot a person or thing that looks exactly like another okay i this is this is a learning experience for me. Yeah. Okay. I've misused words plenty in my life. I really thought it was like a, okay. Wow. Thank you. Meatball.

You know, here's the thing about nicknames. I've always wanted a nickname. And I've had a handful. Some stuck with, but like. What were your, throw them out there. Lunches. Lunches? What?

I kind of like it, but why? I think I've told this story. Maybe it was before your lady's time. But my brother, Luke. Is that the dentist? The dentist. When I was in high school, my mom would, you know, you have a large family family a lot of younger siblings and when i was like a junior we could like you know you could leave school like in the afternoon and like get more free like a

co-op or whatever so me and my friends were like we would like leave for lunch and go to our each other's houses and like steal the food out of our parents houses and one time we went to my house for lunch and the capri sun juice boxes uh i took but they were for the lunch the kids lunches and luke would always say nikki those are for our lunches and my friend aj would start calling me nikki lunches um and that turned into the lunches this is all to say that i wouldn't want one of the women calling me meatball giving me a rose like you know you're not gonna get picked but he loves it maybe so but immediately as soon as they called him meatball i was like not winning i just don't i just don't feel like gabby and rachel

they would call they wouldn't they would insist on calling him by his full name like so like if his buddies called him jimmy they it's like they would insist on calling him by his full name. So if his buddies called him Jimmy, it's like they would insist on calling him James before they would call him Meatball. Or Gabby and Rachel become obsessed with Meatball and they send all the other guys home and they fight over Meatball. They go Meatballs to the wall. That's also another possibility.

And then the final rose ceremony, it's actually Meatball waiting for the two of them and he is to decide who he proposes to. He makes them make meatballs and then decides who he wants to make. It becomes a meatball season. So that's also possible. I feel like that's your fantasy, someone using meatball making as a criteria for being a good partner. I don't know.

That meatball sandwich didn't look good. I would have eaten it. It looked fine to me. Justin B. went home. Also another handsome guy. But he was barefoot all of night one. He was barefoot. Do we think Justin is starting an OnlyFans?

He looks like Justin Theroux. To-drow? Justin Theroux. To-drow? Not Trudeau. Oh, that's what I'm thinking. Jennifer, is it the guy who used to date Jennifer Aniston? Is his name Justin?

Yeah, I don't see it, but maybe. I see where you're coming from. Face shape. Is it the guy who used to date Jennifer Aniston? Is his name Justin? Yeah. He was married. I don't see it, see it, but maybe. I see where you're coming from. Face shape. What do we make of who gave who the roses? Because I wrote down. I don't think it makes any difference at this point. Because they said.

Yeah, but what about Rachel giving the rose to Mario? Like that felt. She got squatted three times. Mario getting the last rose, that means something. What it means, I don't know. Who gets the roses has nothing to do with the lead's preferences. Spoiler alert. But especially early on, like they wanted Mario to get the last rose for a reason, the producers. They gave Mario the last rose because something told them that they might get a reaction from him.

Well, yeah, because he was on top and then you kind of are at the bottom. But it's just like, why though? I've never seen them do that with a first impression rose. I think because he was expressing interest in Rachel. I think it was kind of meant to be like a watch out. I think it was meant to kind of set the tone. Did I miss that? Yeah.

So there was one point where he was like picking Rachel up and doing squats with her. And then Gabby, they made it look like she saw. Who's to say with like filming if she actually saw. So I think it was to set the precedent of like watch out if you're trying to play. So Mario missed her first impression rose from Gabby. He had a whole itm where he was like now is my time to have a conversation with rachel what's up rachel interesting i missed that oh that makes sense that's why he got the last one yeah yeah and that seems fair you know all these other guys who haven't had any time with gabby rachel fine they they don't know what they're doing.

But, Mario, you got a first impression of those, bro. And when it comes to the Bachelorette, that means something. Because, like, usually that means, like, they would be ready to, like, end the season right now if history tells us anything. We don't know if that means the same for Gabby. But you're going to be playing, like, I don't know who I want yet? Yeah, no. Yeah, you can't do that.

What do we think? All right, let's debate this. What would be the appropriate response for Mario back on night one for their first impression rose? Because he doesn't know Gabby, he doesn't know Rachel. So in fairness to all these men, love is a two-way street. They can't be forced to like like someone that you know like it's possible gabby likes one of them and they're like i don't know i'm

into rachel that that's it's fair these guys have a chance to decide who they like too so do you think if if gabby's going to give the first impression rose to mario do you think he should have not have accepted it if he still wanted to like explore a relationship with Rachel? Or do you think that's unfair to have those expectations on Mario that early? No, I think, I think you have to accept it. And I just think that the time that you do have to explore with Rachel, you do it not the way he did a little bit more carefully. And subtly. How so? What do you mean? You talk to her. Yes. You just, you do it not the way he did, a little bit more carefully. And subtly. How so?

What do you mean? You talk to her. Yes. I think it just needs to be a talk, not so touch, and just kind of feel it out. I think you've got to respect the other boundary with her. Yeah, but- You don't do something that's making her cackle, giggle. She was like, hee!

It was loud, and it was- It went well. Yeah. It went very well. Yeah, but in fairness to mario you you that early you don't get to pick your spots your spots are picked for you you know like hey it's time to go talk to so and so yeah but picking someone up is pretty high key so he should just not picked her up i just would have navigated a little bit more i don't know

more close i don't know i you can accept the rose and still consider pursuing rachel but you just can't pick her up it's not like that i would say it's like that but i just think he was playing with with fire a little bit in terms of the way that that interaction went if you're accepting that rose is you got to be more careful with that no i agree with if you're going to accept the rose you got to be more careful but that no I agree with if you're gonna accept the rose you gotta be more careful but I just yeah I don't know it is interesting

I mean again it was simply you know playful and whatever it depends where it goes after this it was playful and he probably would you would think he would know now which direction he's gonna go after that little banter after he picked her up gotta get those three squats in. Now he knows.

Yeah, I don't know. It is interesting that conundrum someone finds themselves in to get a first impression rose knowing that you could still be more interested in someone else. But also it begs the like, why did Mario get the first

impression rose because it was a surprise to us well they kissed gabby mario kissed i think she was his yeah but kissing yeah but they were i feel like there weren't that many kisses night one and so i don't see gabby giving her first impression Rose just because she kissed somebody. I feel like, well, I'm sure there was more than that, but I think in terms of like what may have set him apart from the other nice conversations,

more than that, I want to know what the more than that is because like, again, like it's, it's such a different world that these men are in with two bachelorettes, right? And they still don't know. But having received a first

impression rose on andy season i know that feeling that i got that like it's just like this weird like this validation like an excitement and like weirdly it made me really believe that there could be something there and that belief that there could be something there made me feel a little more connected to andy as bizarre as that might sound like you know it it had an effect on like my perception of the world i was in getting that rose right and so and i felt like her and i had a really good conversation like when she gave me that first impression when she you know you always see that scene of like the leads coming with the rose and walking past. And I just remember being like, I don't know, that sounds crazy, but I think she might say my name. I remember thinking that. And I remember thinking, I know it's crazy and she definitely might not, but like,

I think I had a good conversation with her. I don't know. We'll see. And so like, I'm just wondering why Mario who got a first impression rose wasn't like thinking like, I'm just wondering why Mario, who got a first impression rose, wasn't like thinking like, man, that was a good conversation. And we kissed and like, I think there's something there with Gabby. I'm going to lean into that. And I just got this this woman's first impression rose. And I'm just like wondering why he was so quick to like be open to exploring Rachel. You know what I'm saying? Like it does.

Something's not like registering with with me in response to why did what beyond the kiss would have given him the first impression rose Mario was the one who when they were talking about like vulnerability on the journey asked I mentioned this last week the follow-up question what does that look like for you so I think he is like a really i think his level of kind of like emotional intelligence and the way him and gabby can communicate on that out of like really in-depth way is part of the appeal no i gabby's i'm just wondering yeah no i don't know why mario it's just it's interesting that he's i i like i didn't i i didn't i just don't remember that part but it's interesting that... There was a glance that Gabby made over,

and the last rose is going to play into next episode, and that's where I'm curious to see how that's kind of handled next episode. Yeah. No, it's definitely something to have us talk about in anticipation for next episode. I imagine it could be anything from a mild confrontation of Gabby being like,

hey, I just kind of noticed and I gave you my first impression, Rose, and that's a big deal to me. And if you want Gabby, I mean, if you want Rachel, just tell me. But that's a big kind of thing. And I weirdly am critical of Mario even though he doesn't have a lot to go on, because I feel like getting that first impression, Rose, like you kind of have to do something with that.

And if you if you're still like that open, then I feel like he should communicate that to Gabby. A hundred percent. Do you think you would be more likely to like someone who made it very clear they were just there for you, assuming your two bachelor scenario? Do you think you would be more likely to like someone who made it clear from the beginning, like, here for you, I'm not testing out both connections, like, I'm locked in? Or someone who is kind of exploring, because of course there's also that, if you don't know you have something, I think it's easy to want it more. You know, it's not a given. I feel like I'd rather someone test both i want them to know that i'm the better of the two like the one that they want you know what i want but actually you know that's the other thing is i

came in the other way i was like i know what i want and like you know so i'd like someone too that would like wants me so that's that's i think it's a strong move to go in knowing. Headstrong, yeah. Well, in this scenario with two bachelorettes, I think it looks good to say I came for you. That like, I don't know anything about both you women, but like I haven't met either Gabby and Rachel, right? But I feel like having watched the season

that if I were one of the men, I could know who I have a better chance of being, like, who I would be more drawn to. Personality-wise, you know, looks and things like that. You know what I'm saying? Like, I just, they're very two different women. Yeah, yeah. And for the women, I would want a guy who at a minimum knows that I'm more your type than Rachel. And if you don't know that yet, then we're not going to get there in nine weeks. You know what I'm saying?

They're very different women. And I would want a guy who already knows knows like gabby you're more my speed rachel you're more my speed and there's nothing wrong with i like they're both great women just very very different and i just think it comes across much better at a minimum already knowing that like knowing that and like yeah i guess your mind can change a little bit but there is i just feel like energy plays such a big part into i can come in i've been wrong a few times i can come i come in really thinking something something and then you know the energy is way off or way different your mind can

change i mean jared jared uh like i remember he'd always tell me like he he on on the caitlin and brit season he came in thinking he was going to be into Britt. But that was his mindset. And that shifted. And granted, it was a different season. They picked Caitlyn. I think he voted for Britt. But I think he was really impressed with night one Caitlyn.

He still voted for Britt because that was his mentality. But I think as the season progressed he grew to really care for caitlin but you know your mind can change i just think there's something about like going in being like clearly that it's two different women and you're just like one of the guys being like i don't know we'll see i think you can have a default i think you can go in with a default but i think you got to be a little open-minded defaults allowed though any other like standouts either for villains or just like for dark horses you know you think i'd be good at picking this stuff and i'm just i'm just not even for my season guys go home you're allowed to be wrong you're allowed to be wrong like johnny i feel like he's gonna get into

something yeah johnny has f-boy energy he'll get into something but i. Jonas has F boy energy. He'll get into something, but I don't. He got the group date rose from Gabby. Oh yeah, because she wanted to give hers to Logan. I don't think he's going to be the villain, but I think he's going to get into something. I don't know.

Jacob's kind of got like a confidence to, he'll stand up and say stuff. And maybe Hayden. He's just been quiet. He's been quiet, but he's like a decent looking guy. And like, there's something will happen with him to some degree.

We also can't forget, too, we saw in the tease, Zach, who was the first one out of the limo, which historically also means something. He had that whole little thing with Jesse Palmer where Jesse's like, this changes everything. What are you going to do? And he's crying. He's like, I have to tell her. So we can't forget about Zach

because that's coming. Okay. and zach's a handsome man 25 all right disappeared episode two not necessarily a bad sign episode two you front runners disappear often on an episode too so then jason sorry going back i really think jason has some yeah there's something there you know he gives off you know energy he gives off to me is uh zach clark zach zach was very much like i remember i was always like he's quiet he's to himself he's not really and then look what happened there so he kind of gives that that kind of energy were there any other people who you saw folks from your season in while watching were you like oh they're just like so and so no not i mean no no zach was actually the only one that stands out with him and i remember when zach on my season night i first night i met him i just i don't think he's gonna be around long that was the one

guy i was like he was one i was like i thought he was going home for sure just too quiet to himself like saying like you got to stand out and do stuff but again like he's just uh yeah but you didn't use he was quiet in the group right and he thrived one-on-one yeah he did and we saw all those conversations between zach and tasha and we saw him thrive and we saw them connect and that's what i'm saying when we saw jason one-on-one with Gavin Rachel, he did not shine. He did not shine. I mean, other than Chris coming back, I mean, did we want to roast him anymore? It was just like.

It was another standout moment when Chris fails, Nate shines. The second that the girls came up and said, we asked you to leave, Nate stood up and was like escorting him out. And he said, that's all that needs to be said. I'm just shocked in some of the balls on all that needs to be said I'm just shocked in some of the balls on some of these guys like

I'm just I honestly want to ask Chris like what did you think like what was your goal in that moment like what did you think was gonna happen so he was just such a brat too

when they walked around he's like so what do I do I just walk like oh no he was a prick I mean he was ever the mentality coach

I thought he would be and good for quincy who's like giving hope to life coaches you know a little weird about the like i thought he was quite charming i mean i i knew he was going to be the tattletale i was watching with that and like this guy's gonna this guy's gonna talk some shit about chris give it like three two one like it was like it was gonna it was always it was gonna be quincy aven kind of disappeared yeah even we'll be back he'll be back oh did you anyone else clock alec wearing the leather jacket like the entire ep like it was just like a business he was wearing this like big

heavy leather jacket like in the house it was like didn't he wear velvet on the first night it was like why you like save that for like an outdoor date it was like so he must like think he's going home soon and he just really wanted to wear that leather jacket do you wear your best outfits every week because you might go home like how do you do that i didn't i mean yeah i don't you did or you didn't no so you were like i'm did you have like if I felt things were going like, well, I would save it to like,

yeah, if I maybe thought I was going to one-on-one or something, I'd wear an outfit that I thought. Oh yeah. I guess just after getting Andy's first impression, Rose, I like, I,

I guess I wasn't worried about like going home week three. Yeah. And then with Caitlin, it was such a different scenario. How many suitcases did you bring? Two. Big ones you bring? Two. Big ones? Yeah, two big ones, yeah.

But I mean, I didn't own any suits up until the show. So I had to get like a fashion, not one. Like flannel and hats, or I'm sure it was. How many did you bring? Like seven. Seven? You bought seven suits? Well, like mixers of things. Yeah.

I also didn't have any. So I'm like, I got a discount on it because I was like, I'm buying a whole bunch. He went to Costco. He got it in bulk. Wow. But I also didn't own any. Sure. Seven.

How many did you bring? I don't remember. Well, I also had like through just being in sales and work, I had some suits. I bought one for night one. And then I had like, I think I brought like four, four or five. Yeah, like a jacket. And so not full suits, but like a jacket and this and that little thing. And then for Caitlin's, I didn't buy anything new.

Scarves, maybe? Which season was the scarves? That was Andy's. Okay. That was Andy's. An extra carry-on just for the accessories. Caitlin's was the Aldo's. Okay. An extra carry on. Caitlin was the Aldo bracelets. Okay.

I had a bracelet fetish on Caitlin season. Fetish. Do you mean phase? That's how it looked. Phase. Let's try it. Let's try again. Top four.

Blake, who do you want to start with? Gabby or Rachel? Gabby. Cause I don't know for Rachel still. Okay. That's tough. We could not have been more wrongby or Rachel? Gabby because I don't know for Rachel still. Okay. That's tough. Who's Gabby's top four? We could not have been more wrong last week.

Gabby, I feel like Eric. I can see it. Avin. Tino's for Rachel. I'll go Zach. And I thought Ryan was going to be there. He's not. You mentioned Jason earlier.

Oh, and Nate. Nate. I love Nate. And Jason, sorry. Oh, and Nate. Nate. I love Nate. And Jason, sorry. Yeah, so I got my five. Top five. We'll drop Zach. I think Ava needs to be over in Rachel's camp.

Yeah, I'm going to say Eric too for Gabby. Is Logan going to be a lasting? I don't see it. No? I think he's going to fuck up. He'll be on the cusp. Because Rachel basically stakes this claim to logan right i don't see i don't see it that's the other thing that's kind of a liability about dating both of them is regardless of being accused of

being a fuck boy there's also the i don't want to step on the toes of my friend so i'm just like if i could pick this guy who my friend likes or this other guy who there's no drama and chance of that happening. You know what I could see with Logan? I could see because like, let's think about how that played out. Right. Like he made out with both of them. And in this very small group setting where Rachel felt got a mild rejection from Jason feeling a little vulnerable, had a nice conversation with logan and made out with him and was quick to tell gabby i kissed i kissed logan and gabby trying to be the good

friend that she was just kind of was like let get let rachel have that so he gave her a rose but by default this kind of like this is this put logan in rachel's camp now gabby's is gonna like stay the fuck away from logan probably right she's camp now gabby's is gonna like stay the fuck away from logan probably right she's the one that's like but i don't even think rachel is even that into logan i think you had more to do with like having a nice conversation with a guy right after the heels of getting rejected i could picture rachel quickly realizing that she's not that into logan and he'll be around for a while because he talks and he chimes and he does his ITMs and Logan being the kind of like unafraid to go get her that he seems to be I could

see him trying to pursue Gabby then being like well hey I actually felt a connection with you but like I kind of went this direction now she doesn't like me and i can see logan actually successfully at least temporarily like pivoting over to gabby's camp yeah i feel like he's gonna get caught up between the two of them somehow he's gonna be the one that i feel like gets caught up i don't think he's a top four for either of them but eric back to gabby eric i mean i guess i'm just gonna to say Nate by default. I mean, the first one-on-one, they seem to have a good connection. I haven't seen, like, you know, like, usually you see, like,

a real connection. Like, Tino, like, Rachel, like, he's top four for sure. You know, he's going to have to truly fuck up because we know that, like, just that, that like unexplainable chemistry that she finds in tino like that's not going anywhere unless he totally bombs uh we haven't seen that with gabby gabby keep plays her cards closer to the vest it seems like yeah yeah i'm gonna throw the zach in there for fun spencer zach spencer eric and nate for gabby i mean i'm i'm i'm throwing darts here but gabby did say on the

first night when spencer came out she was like that's my type yeah i'm throwing i mean if i get it right i'm i'm just gonna i going to take credit based off of luck. Rachel, Tino. Tyler. Sure. Why not? Next, like, I'll be there. Avin.

Yeah. Tino, Avin, Hayden, and Tyler. There's my final four. This week. This week. Half of them are going home next week. They're all young, eh? For the most part.

A lot of them are. Yeah. Oh, that's something to consider. That's the other thing is the age difference. Because Gabby's 30, Rachel's 26. Oh, Gabby was 31. Yeah, maybe Gabby is 31 by now. Spencer's 27.

Nate is 33. Eric's 29. Jason's 27. Nate is 33. Eric's 29. Jason's 30. Zach's a baby. Tyler's a baby. Yeah. I don't know. Anyways, clearly we're going to be way off there.

Blake, thank you for joining us. Any final thoughts you have you want to share? Anything you want to say that might get coverage or press? No, man. I'm pretty low-key and I like it that way right now. Any shit you want to share anything you want like to say that might get coverage or press no man i'm pretty low-key and i like it no dude it doesn't even have to be shit about anyone else but it could just be about yourself you know no i mean i've been staying low-key and i've been liking it that way i've been liking it that way i mean you know just a matter of time probably that i'll get get postured somehow anyways and at that point i'll just deal with it when it comes i've been low-key for the most part the last eight months how would you handle someone publicly talking about you that you didn't agree with whoever could you mean

why don't you start some shit amanda uh how would i deal with it not necessarily but i'm really not that controversial i don't like like i probably wouldn't say i probably wouldn't respond i mean with you know the case stuff it's always the smart stuff smart way yeah i yeah i we try not to well i i know people usually generally don't believe for the most part we don't respond to most things yeah once in a while it's just like i am, well, might as well get some clicks out of it. No, I think it depends on the situation. Someone's coming at me hard. It's like, okay, I'll say something.

But if it's like hearsay bullshit, then it's like, okay, if I don't give it anything, it's going to pass quicker that way anyways. But there's some things. I mean, if it's attacking character, things I said, when I know it's factual or whatever, it's like. Are you more inclined to defend yourself or defend friends depends how close they are to me but myself ah they were probably more my friends because i can i just feel like i can take shits okay it's like say i don't give a fuck blake thank you so much for joining us it's been a pleasure um i've heard nothing but good things about you man appreciate that well that's good to know and you know a lot right so i hear a lot about everybody but good things about you, man. Appreciate that. Well, that's good to know. And you know a lot, right?

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