The Viall Files - E46 Life After Paradise with Demi Burnett

Episode Date: September 25, 2019

Demi Burnett joins us for her third Viall Files interview to discuss life after Bachelor in Paradise! Nick and Demi talk about the pressures of getting engaged on TV, they discuss the importance of maintaining your sense of self while in a relationship, and Demi lets us know what’s next. Plus, she shares some behind-the-scenes scoop on Dancing with the Stars and a hilarious story about Hannah G. Be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode! THANKS TO OUR SPONSORS: AWAY: https://www.awaytravel.com/viall EMBARK: https://embarkvet.com CODE: VIALL MANSCAPED: https://www.manscaped.com/ CODE: VIALL See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

you're crazy welcome to another episode of vile files oh rochelle how are you i'm good nick how are you so good very excited about this episode we have demi your best friend demi burnett my best friend we've come a long way. This is technically her fourth time on the podcast. Well, third. We don't want people to... Third interview.

Third interview. You know, Demi is... She's finally done with her bachelor run. She's engaged. She's engaged. And we wanted to just catch up with Demi. So it was a lot of fun to have my my friend on and uh just touch base with her yeah i hope you guys enjoy it it's real easygoing conversation

certainly a definitely a different feel from the first time we had her on don't go back and listen to that one again why not well i mean i guess maybe i don't know i always thought rochelle how was the wedding it was fun it just was hard not being at the ceremony i just wanted to be at the ceremony he he means a lot to me and it would have been fun to be there but then you found out other people were also at the ceremony yeah the people that weren't just uh family and so that's hard. Yeah. And were you able to have fun? I was still able to have fun. It's kind of like an interesting year for me.

I'm not getting invited to a lot of my friends' stuff. And so obviously I'm the common denominator. And I'm like, I probably need to be a better friend. Do you think that's it? I don't know. I don't know. I'm trying to figure it out. Very big of you to go there. Yeah.

To the common denominator thing. Yeah. It's hard to do. I know I have a hard time when you see a repeat pattern of friends and you think to yourself, the only constant in this situation is me. Yeah. Hard to do. Yeah.

What do you think it might be? I don't know. I need to fix it though because it doesn't feel good to constantly be like feeling left out of things. Huh. That's a tough. Is that too dark? Is that too sad? No. I need to fix it though. Cause it doesn't feel good to constantly be like feeling left out of things. Huh? That's it. That's a tough, too dark.

Is that too sad? I think we've all been there. And the question is, is it, is it you or is it, is it just coincidence? It could be, if it were you,

what would you think one thing it could be? I think like this business is, is hard and it does take a lot of energy and time and I'm constantly focused on that. I don't know. I have to figure it out. What were you doing in New York? I went to an event and then I did some podcasts and then I was just enjoying the city. Which podcast did you do?

The two morning toasts. Oh, fun. The Snatchler and then the morning toast. We've become fast friends. That's awesome. Um, it was a lot of fun. And then, uh, did some other stuff and had a few other meetings. Um, some natural habits stuff.

I went out. I didn't, I didn't party a ton. Uh, I just enjoyed the city. I like, uh, I stayed in, uh, in, in Brooklyn this time. Really enjoyed it. Williamsburg. Very trendy. Yeah. It's also like I use a subway, so it was easy beautiful I stayed in uh in Brooklyn this time really enjoyed it Williamsburg very trendy yeah it's also like I use the subway so it's easy to get to yeah so I don't know fun yeah yeah so well with that said I'm you know I love that you uh you said that about common denominator I think maybe that's something we should get into in another another episode someday

I don't know that's that's hard to do yeah it's really hard to do when we struggle with things that we're not happy with in our lives and then we realize that in every one of these situations the only constant is just the fact that we're part of that story right it's really it's really hard to do and i think sometimes we all struggle with it i know i have yeah up next, the great and wonderful Demi Burnett. Demi Burnett. Burnett. Burnett. How would you, how do you say your last name?

Because I know you say your T is kind of interesting. It's Burnett. It's whenever the T's, it's like the syllable of the T. How so? Like gotten. Gotten. But if it ends in a T, there's no need for the information well welcome back demi you are are uh i don't have we had a anyone else who's done it twice other than

demi's demi's got a two episode lead over anyone else this is my third that's what i'm saying oh no one else has done it twice oh wow We're a little nervous about do we have anything to talk about. But that's crazy to me because you guys are like actual friends. You hang out all the time. We are. We've come a long way, I got to say. The first time I met Demi in person was when she came into the studio before the episode. Oh, yeah.

I was nervous. I was so nervous. Oh, wow. Isn't it kind of funny to think about how how that that has come because first i i got to know demi uh i had heard first with demi was the you were you were the troublemaker not the villain on your on your season i was having fun she was the entertainment she was for me i was just like oh here's this like little blonde chick on colton season who's like sliding into my dms every like drunking at two in the morning playfully not like just all you you were being you i didn't know who you was at the time yeah and then i started to do the paint therapy and you were commenting on that so and she was but i remember rochelle was always like we gotta have

demi on i was like i don't know i don't know we want i don't know and then uh and then i was like you know what screw it let's let's do it and then you came in obviously we all know how that went i thought it was great but i oh yeah I haven't had five stars since Demi. I was like, lost his five stars, God forbid. But it was, we've become quite great friends since then. Yeah, you lost a star, but you gained one of the greatest friends

you've ever had. You gained a star. Oh my gosh. Yes. You really have. She's also on our live show, so technically this is, look, there I am right am right you've been on

four different episodes oh my god you're so obsessed with me this is this is his face just gets completely serious this is the time where you you talk about how great our friendship is oh my god i always brag about how great our friendship is especially like how much you do for me. I always brag about you. What does he do for you? And what do I do for you? You like have helped me get some good deals,

some good connections. I've done that, I guess. You're always there for me whenever I need to chat. Or tell Tanner to shut the fuck up. Yeah, you have my back. You have my back. Important. How were you, when that was all going down,

I mean, I guess going into this season a little bit, obviously there's been a lot of positive things said about the relationship with you and Christian and then, you know, I guess coming out. Yeah. I guess it's like coming out like super publicly. Yeah. How was the, how did you handle, or what was the criticism like, especially coming from some of your peers like after the show during the show when it was all

going down i mean did you not go into that afraid of how people would respond um yeah i mean whenever like she got there i was shaking whenever i was like introducing the group to her and stuff but immediately like i remember the first person that got up and started hugging us it was dean and then see because dean's great dean is great and um yeah and everyone just made us feel really special and like they were really amazing about it on on the island yeah it's not a freaking island it's the beach everyone says that i love island but it's a different show it is a beach um but like were you were you worried about criticism from like twitter or the public or like yeah yeah and what like what was that like when you got a little bit um it was like hurtful of course but i always say like all the positive it drowns out all the bad

but it just sucks whenever you're like doing something that is like really serious for you and your emotions are so in it and it's so real and then for people to criticize it in any way it's just like oh i was being so vulnerable like it sucks like whenever you actually like criticize me for my antics all day long. I don't care. But criticize me about something that I actually have feelings about. That sucks. Did you had you already come out to your parents and stuff? Yeah.

Okay. Yeah. But like not not like it was like right before paradise. So no, it was really fresh. Oh my God. Yeah. It was a few weeks before paradise and oh they i was so scared like coming from super religious conservative family

and i was like bawling whenever i was telling them and they were like amazing about it i could have never accepted it your dad and stepmom my mom had known for years. Oh. My mom and my brother had known. Really? Yeah. My mom ain't gonna judge me. Fair enough. But I mean, so she kept the secret, I guess. Yeah. And your brother. Yeah.

What made you tell your brother? My brother and I like went through everything in life together. So he's like my best friend. We tell each other everything. That's awesome. And then your dad and stepmom recently found out were they uh bummed uh about fighting out after other people i know we joked about on my family when my sister came out about like who found out when and like then you kind of like well

wait why did they why'd you tell them before me um no they they weren't like that at all um my stepmom was like yeah we, we kind of knew. But no, I think that they knew that it was going to be scary for me, especially my dad. Like he could understand why I'd be scared. But it's like, aren't we just even closer now? Because now we're just wide open. They know everything.

You're really close with your dad. Would you say, I mean, you have a special bond or are you closest with him then you're i mean you're stepmom and my mom or is that all is it different it's all different um like yeah they're just all different me and my stepmom are actually getting a lot closer now um oh my gosh there he is look at him with the little phone. He's a handsome little devil. That was him back in the day. He's so hot. He was so handsome. Aw.

Yeah, look at him back in the day. Lady killer. Is that what they call him? Hopefully not. How tall? Wait, that sounded really bad. Oh my gosh. How tall is my dad?

Yeah. I don't know, 5'9". Oh, he couldn't have been The Bachelor. He's very, very charming. Rochelle recreates everything into being The Bachelor or The Bachelorette. He's very, I don't doubt it. Are you more like your mom or your dad? Oh, my dad, for sure.

In what ways? Charming. Yeah, charming. Why? Who's that? Oh, no. Get out of there. I'm more like my dad because I am a little bit like a type A person, you know?

I get a little bit of that from him. It's like an ongoing joke in our family, like to be a Burnett. It's like Burnett is like a breed of people. Like a Burnett, you're scared of the Burnett. It's like very competitive alphas. Okay. And so, yeah, I've got some of that in me. And did you used to watch The Bachelor with your dad?

No. No? My dad watches. Because of you. Yeah. Whenever I went on the show, he went back and watched your season. That was the first one. Oh, he went back.

Oh, I thought you watched it together with him. No, no. He likes to go in his office and watch it in there so he can like focus in on it with no distractions office what's your dad do for work um my dad is a contractor he does uh contracting for franchises that are built on military bases wow yeah he's got a nice little office but his office at home he goes in there and like watches it. And yeah, he knew like I loved Nick. And so he went and watched your season.

And yeah, so that's why they're Nick Stans. Well, you know, with the, you know, that stuff about all the production thing, is there anything, not to get into that, but you listened back to my episode with tanner where is there anything since him and i were having a debate uh about that situation is there anything that i said that you felt needed correcting or is that pretty much kind of the the fluid situation that i described i mean honestly i don't remember every word that you said. I just, I don't know. I was like, yes, Nick, yes. No, but in the sense that like you were,

I just didn't get why people were so, like they needed the minute by minute playbook of like, you were pretty clear. I was dating this person. It was a non-defined relationship. I was open with her. I was open with production. I went down.

I was open to meeting more people, I communicated with production, I kept thinking about the other person, they brought her down. It's that simple. I don't understand, like, that was really it, right? That was it. And from everything I've heard from you and other people,

that is what happened. And did you think maybe that could happen where you would go down and she'd come down sure yeah so what great i don't know i don't i mean i was one of those people that was like oh this feels really produced when i was watching it but then i did change my mind as it kept going like seeing like real life struggles between you guys and like it was so beautiful just seeing like such a genuine love story. I was like, I don't know if I've ever seen something like this on TV with the same sex

couple. Just so normal. It's normalizing it. Yeah. That's like, that's amazing that you feel that way. I do. It was like,

it was very real and it was very, very hard. Like, it was so like raw, like in watching it back, I'm like, that was the realest moments of my relationship life, you know? Yeah. Any relationship I've ever been in.

Yeah. So it was cool to get to watch him back. Which is kind of the only thing, and I think sometimes Tanner and I got in the weeds of it where we were just kind of arguing and debating, but my really only point was, I'm just glad that they're normalizing yeah these kind of this relationship and that was really the point because it is a produced show we talk everyone i mean every podcast that talks about the bachelor or whatever they talk about producers which you can't have a show with

producers without thinking it might be produced from time to time. And trying to have, but yeah, you, you know, looking at you and Christian versus you and Colton, I mean, obviously very different, but like that, right? I mean, just to see the emotion that you had, or like, I totally got a little choked up when Christian arrived and you saw that. That was one of the more believable,

maybe believable is the wrong word, I don't wanna take anything from anyone else, but like the most emotional moment of the season was when she showed up. That's kind of what I felt. Yeah, and it's cool because you can see it. Like, you know? Yeah. you can like see our love it was palpable through the screen wow yeah great word choice um yeah it was it was hard for me

to even watch it back like just because it i was so emotional watching it i'm like oh my gosh like i remember what i was feeling in this moment like it was really cool though so now the show's done the show's done thank god uh isn't it kind of funny when we first met we were just talking obviously about paradise um and at the time you were just like well i don't know if i'm gonna go and i was like ha ha ha oh yeah you're like i need to be first on the beach or i'm not going. I was so pissed when I wasn't. Were you? You weren't? No, it was Hannah.

Of course it was Hannah. Of course. I was like an insignificant number on the beach. I don't know. I was like somewhere in the middle. I was like, what are you all doing here? It really obviously didn't matter. But yeah, I don't remember what I said when you said you had to be first on the

beach, but I'm guessing I probably suggested you just did all that matters as you're in the first group. Yeah. I think that is what you said, which as long as you're day one or, um, and then here you are shining star that you knew you would be. Wow. Was there ever a doubt? Uh, I don't think you were dating christian at the time when i first met you or maybe you had met her but what i'm saying is you didn't really like that like you didn't know you knew that you were uh bisexual but you didn't know that necessarily you would go into paradise and meet a woman or date a woman rather the can you is it looking back is it kind of bizarre yeah no i just realized something the second podcast that i did with you

the night before that was the first time that me and christian started like having a thing because i showed up with my hair looking terrible because it was hot tub hair hot tub hair on on here really you guys made out in the hot tub the first time? yeah nice and then the next morning I came here what'd you guys do? oh what did you like to know?

I feel like the audience would be you know we were just making out in the hot tub how'd that start? well it was like late

everyone was drinking everyone else fell asleep we had started the hot tub who made the first move? She did. All right. Yeah. She smooched me.

How many times have you hung out before then? Like one. Oh. And so when you came into that podcast, were you, was it like, oh, I just had a hot makeout? Were you glowing a little bit? I was probably tired. podcast were you was it like oh i just i had a hot makeout were you glowing a little bit or you i was probably tired um no it was it was cool it was like a good feeling i was like

i had a good night last night oh yeah so then you met met her yeah so now you're the you know you're the star of paradise yeah no you're the star of paradise right i'm the star of this whole franchise i'm kidding so what is uh what is uh you're in a relationship going great yes what's your favorite thing about relationships um having somebody that's always going to be there for you like you know it's a good support what's your favorite what's the thing that you in a relationship now that you've been in one that that's important you to have both as a couple and as an independent person i feel like i just say it a lot like open communication like it's some it's like really hard to work on that like it's hard to communicate

uncomfortable things in all aspects of life like with friendships with like family ships with relationships like it sucks and it's so hard for me to like tell people something they don't want to hear unless i'm like angry at them so the biggest thing that i value is like open communication in a relationship because like that's how you could actually make it work do you have a hard time saying that because i mean and that makes sense knowing you how i have you're you are a very sweet person for all the for all the uh when you first came on the scene so to speak you were the kind of not necessarily abrasive but louder and kind of comical and you had the snark but you are you are really kind in a sense that the one thing I've noticed about you

and as I got into friends for you, you're almost overly kind. You're very loyal and protective of your friends, which I appreciate. So is that, do you struggle a lot like in any of your relationships, friendships, family, dating, engagement, of when you do feel like you need to say something

to express how you feel and you're afraid it might hurt the other person you you struggle with oh yeah it's like my biggest struggle it's so hard for me to say something that i know could potentially hurt their feelings or upset them or you know like i don't want to ruin someone's day by you know just saying i mean and it's never going to be that big of a deal and And I just have it in my head that this one thing I'm going to say is just going to completely ruin their whole day. Maybe they're weak. Like they're going to be so mad at me. And it really doesn't work out that way if you just word it right. Yeah. I mean, are you really worried about all of that? I mean,

what? I don't know what it is. Like, I don't know why I like, I've always been like that. I have such a hard time telling people what they don't want to hear. It sucks. So then you end up pretending that you're fine all the time? Yeah. Are you passive aggressive? There can be times. But I know it.

And I know that I'm wrong for it. So then I just stop. But then you can build up resentment. There's that friend that you're like, God, they're so freaking annoying. But it's like, if I would have just told them the one time they did something that annoyed me or like you know like it just like be open about it and be honest with them that the annoyance wouldn't build up inside of you like it would be fine i thought the conversation you had with her on paradise where you're like hey like when you're touching all

everyone else that bought like that was she handled it well when you brought it up to her. Oh, yeah. She handled it. Yeah, she's really good about, whenever I talk to her about something, she really listens. She's a very good listener. She seems to be a strong communicator.

And she's a lot better at it than me. I know you value your independence as a person how is that and then and in relationships we talk a lot about on this on the show about like independence and we get a lot of people who call in or we just talk about it and i know i made the mistake early in my life where uh when you're in a serious relationship you feel this pressure to constantly be with each other it is insane like that that pressure like i did not get engaged to so like my engagement wasn't like a promise to be with this person 24 7 all day every day we're getting married like tomorrow like no my engagement was a commitment to her to i want to be with you not yeah you know and the people if i tweet that i'm hanging out

with someone else they're like why aren't you with your fiance like oh no i'm like oh my gosh because i'm a person and i still have my own life yeah when that that's a a good point but like even like minus the tv aspect and the pressure and we'll i want to get into that but yeah like that's um how do you guys communicate like that? Is that something that, I mean, early in a relationship, really figuring out that balance of what do you guys, and there's no right or wrong. Every couple's different where they like to do certain things.

Some people, it's just like, I just need a moment. Are you guys still in that phase of figuring out how you guys kind of are compatible in that way yeah absolutely um it's really important to me like to have the balance and like have boundaries of like we need to take this at a steady pace if we like for me if you jump all into that i feel like like, what do you have left to work for? You know, like, what do you have to look forward to in the relationship? Like, take it at a steady pace so that it's healthy. Because every relationship I've ever had in the past, no matter the length of it, I go all in in the beginning.

And then I'm over it very quickly. Because I'm like, well, I just wore out all my energy not doing this the right way. When you say you go all in in it's like head over heels like i want to be with the person all day every day like taking trips and shit or doing crazy taking trips no i was poor before the show i wasn't going anywhere spoken like a true millennial i don't take i mean but but no and so like just giving all of my feelings like into this and rushing everything, just jumping in way too soon, rushing it all, not like taking a moment to just like stop and smell the roses and like enjoy another person

in this world who chooses to spend time with me and just loving that. So I was like, I want to do this the right way. And so it's important to me that we stay on like a steady pace and we don't just jump into things. Moving in together right away. That's not fun. That's not going to be good. You're not going to move in together.

Not right now. Oh, okay. And at first I wanted to. And then I was like, hold on, we need to talk about this. I was like, this sounds like not a good idea. I was like, we need to actually date and like go on dates and stuff and like have our own places where we can go home to and then choose whenever we want to spend time together and like have sleepovers and stuff like that but just like jumping in and moving in together

just and then getting engaged and all this stuff it's like way too fast yeah did you feel that with vanessa uh yeah i mean it was a little different in that sense i mean vanessa was living in montreal when obviously we met and so she like we wanted to be in the same city so she moved in um right away okay and so like we lived together our entire relationship um there was always people always kind of i don't I always was confused by a lot of people when we broke up. We were just like, oh, you know, you must have broke up because she was living in Montreal. It's like, no, she we were living together the entire time. But it is a struggle.

I mean, I'm sure you're starting to to know they get the pressure as Demi talked about in terms of. Listen, an engagement in bachelor world is real. It's also different than it might be if you were to decide to get engaged to someone not on TV, right? Sure, have people dated for nine weeks or three weeks and got engaged? Sure, right?

Yeah. But also there's like this, it's like a symbol of a commitment of this desire of, it's like a promise ring in a way. I don't know. Very expensive promise ring. When you're young and you have like, right, you're like, I'm pretty sure I want to marry you and you're amazing. But like, that's kind of crazy right now. But I want to promise and make that commitment to you.

Yeah. It's kind of like that. And again, it didn't take away any of the sincerity i have when i proposed to vanessa but i there was a part on the show i think they aired it where vanessa at the time was like well why do we have to get engaged you know and i was like that's a great question and i thought to myself and i what i said to her was true right in the sense that uh you live in Montreal, I live in LA. Let's be honest, we've met in this crazy situation. If we just, I'm in love with you,

I know I really wanna give this a shot, I think we need to make a commitment to each other. Because had we just been like, well, let's date, does she move to LA knowing that we're just dating? It's one of those things where I really wanted to give it a shot. And I think you kind of had to like, I want to really commit to this and really work on this.

And that's kind of what that symbolism of that commitment. Because in a weird way, you're kind of protecting all the relationship that met in that crazy world. And I think that's what's kind of different. But then you get that pressure from the people who- I cannot imagine that pressure. Like that's gotta be insane.

It is wild. Whoa. And I don't know how it was for you, but like, yeah, in the relationship, there was some hard parts of getting on the same page of expectations of what you're uh i'm so sorry i was like why window cleaning is it something i'm saying we have very funny i was trying so hard not to be distracted i'm like crying i'm laughing i couldn't wait to see those of you uh wait to see them. For those of you not watching and listening,

we have window washers behind us. That's so scary. Oh my gosh. There was a struggle for us getting on the same page of what engagement meant to each of us in this situation. And then I don't know how you feel, but in every relationship I've ever had, it was what does

this all mean to you whether you're moving into each other whether it's like you invite me to a wedding right yeah like what like every relationship has stages and that might mean something different to each people in a relationship oh yeah i totally know what you mean and it's so weird too like the the like overall expectations of like what an engagement looks like and it's so weird too, like the, the like overall expectations of like what an engagement looks like. And it's like, this is my own story. This is my own engagement. And I don't have to meet any of your expectations.

Good for you. Yeah. Well, I noticed there's a trend like Jojo, they got reengaged and didn't Garrett and Becca get reengaged too. I don't, I know that Jojo and Jordan. Yeah.

I will say I always, in my mind, I told, I told this to Vanessa too. And it was very early on. Because I know she struggled with, like, were we really ready to get engaged? I struggle with it too.

And I was like, just so you know, like, let's just be real about this. We have a lot to get to know each other. And if we work out and we eventually get married, I have every intention of reproposing. Like, that was always in my head of like uh it's just different that way um yeah and it seems like you you two have a really healthy start and and not uh giving into the pressure that comes from the outside people of of telling you what relationship is, how it's supposed to progress.

Yeah, exactly. We're doing our own thing. And I mean, we're happy, so. Do you find it challenging? What I didn't have to deal with is you have Hannah and Dylan, you have Katie and- Lukowski. Lukowski.

Were there other engaged couples? No. Do you find it challenging the competition or the competing or how the fans or each other are comparing the relationships that all start at the same time? Not really. I mean, I think that everyone's different in a relationship. And all I can really focus on is just mine.

Like I can't focus on looking at other people's and what people are saying about other people's relationships. Hannah and Dylan, by the way, I've never seen two people more in love. I'm like the other day I was like looking at Hannah's Instagram. I was like, why is Hannah so in love with Dylan? It is funny that Instagram love because we all look on like, oh, they're perfect. You know what I mean? That's not the reality. But even like, I know for me,

like when I'm in relationships, I am different for better or worse than how I express, everyone expresses love differently, right? Like, and I, when I see people sometimes it's just like, I wish I could do that, you know, but I'm not. And that's okay, that's all, you know, when I was like, I wish I could do that, you know, but I'm not. And that's okay. That's all, you know, when I was. Can I ask about JPJ and Tayshia?

Yeah. What your opinion on them is? Are they together? Yeah. Are they? Yeah, they are. I'm fascinated by them. Tell me more.

I mean, I love them together. I love both of them. You know, it's so crazy. I got so close with Tayshia in Paradise. Oh. Like I would have never expected that. And we got so close. We did our makeup together every day like we sat next to each other um so i really adore her she became she was such a good friend to me and then jpj

had so much fun with him uh he's hilarious and um them together i i think he is like in love with her like this is his dream girl so i'm all here for it he made that clear does it feel real to you like do you think like they're legit doing it i saw something like it seems like it kasha and mike at iheart or something or is that just like a picture of them standing next to each other i'm sure that was just a picture of them standing next to each other oh i forgot she's in paris right now everyone's everyone why is everyone in paris dude i don't know and nobody invited me so i'm confused uh wild i think it's for some brand or something jpj and and derrick really really fought i didn't really understand why jpj couldn't just say my bad i think for it actually got to him my bad i think production got to him in his head yeah probably even towards the end i mean um well at that point i mean maybe he didn't want to he didn't want to back down from what he is you

know i get that i mean i've been there and again i'm you know talk about production yeah like they if we hate someone they they don't help us resolve that that hate towards someone but the same time we all are humans right there you once you leave that world you're like yeah i was kind of a little you know i'm just surprised jpj couldn't just especially after re-watching it just be like yeah my bad i mean what i wonder i don't know i would want to want to ask what taisha thought about that and if she said anything she hated it yeah but then wouldn't she say something to jpj be like no oh like oh yeah i see what you mean like if you were in a well if you were like as even as a friend if i were like saying some shit about someone you knew, wouldn't you just be like, hey,

maybe, maybe see the other side. You know, like, it just, I was always, I always wanted Tasha's take on, on that situation.

We never really got it. Do we call her? Yeah. Let's get her on the phone. So what's next for you now, Demi? Now that your star is shining bright, how do we keep it, how do we keep it shining?

Come on our podcast. You know, I don't know yet. Just working on some things, talking about some ideas, trying, you know, one of these days need to get a show. I need to come up with a good pitch for a show. I don't know what I would do. I want a talk show or like, I don't know, something fun, something not serious. Something fun, not serious something fun not serious where you can talk yeah sounds like a podcast hilarious um so you you now live in la i do do

you like la yeah i do like it um it's convenient that i have to do so much stuff around here and i'm here so i don't have to get on a plane every other week that is nice but it still takes you just as long to drive across la as it does to fly to la sometimes it's really bad but most of the stuff is like right by where i live like that i have to do gotcha we're not gonna disclose that that area yeah what's your cross street so looking back over the past year is it kind of wild to think about your life now versus then or did you kind of always knew deep down this was the life you were destined for i mean i always knew deep down i was like destined for something i always knew like i'm gonna i'm gonna make something out of myself like i'm gonna be on tv or something somehow some way like was it always tv well

whenever i was a kid i wanted to be like a pop star then i realized i can't sing so what are some hidden talents that you have um hidden talents yeah like uh impressions she's good at impressions yeah good at impressions did you oh you are really good those those are really good right what else besides else besides impressions? Oh, my gosh. All I can think about is how talentless I am right now. Do you really think that? No. I'm pretty good at sports. Are you?

I mean, I'm athletic. That's awesome. Yeah. What sports did you play growing up? Soccer and volleyball. First team all district in volleyball. You were better at volleyball and soccer yeah i played soccer as a kid and then volleyball whenever i got older were you uh were you what's the position

libero yes yep you were you know well i like libero slash ds defensive specialist it's back row only obviously because you're not tall yep exactly uh i want to see you play volleyball oh my gosh it's been years and you played in high school yeah i have a sand volleyball court at my apartments we can get a little game are you so you're really i want to yeah i want to go yeah come on are you are you you must be competitive i feel like or no yes i am but i can turn it off and be like and like if i lose eh who gives a fuck we're just playing for fun who cares but really

that's like my coping mechanism but do you really care yeah but I just have to like bury it and so do you so you don't play you haven't played volleyball in years or do you still do other competitive things Demi the athlete

once a year at the family reunion we have like a volleyball like we play sand volleyball and stuff so it gets competitive then you know any family member that's not good you're like you need to step it up you know like it's really serious see you need a reality show with your family that sounds fun oh my gosh me and my dad that'd be iconic your dad competitive oh yeah and he's hilarious and he. And he's very competitive, and so he wants to do so good because he doesn't want to be the one to let the team down. I think it's incredible. Do you live close to Hannah and Katie and stuff?

Yeah, me and Hannah are neighbors. We live in the same building. You do? Yeah, she lives right next to me. And then Katie, we walk to Katie's house. In Orange County. Yeah, sure. Orange County.

Actually, Huntington Beach. You can walk to Katie's house? Mm-hmm. That's so cute. Yeah. Do you hang out a lot? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

I woke up there this morning. Heather, it was me, Heather, and Katie. Heather. Never been kissed? Oh, yeah. How's she doing? Good. Why wasn't she on Paradise?

I don't know. Now, she's like totally at peace with it though i feel like never been kissed would be a great uh paradise well then she got kissed she lost her storyline yeah but you know she could have been never had make out yeah she's never made out literally like everything would be a first for her you know so i feel like the beach would i... I'm surprised, I guess. There's always next season. This is very true. She could easily come back on. Yeah, I think that they'll ask her to.

Did she want to go on Paradise? Yeah. Oh, she did. Yeah, of course. I don't know. Who wouldn't want to? Some people might not. Do you think there's any...

There's people who might actually not want to go. Yeah, I feel like it's mainly, like, the guys. Do you think there's any who, there's people who might actually not want to go. Yeah. I feel like it's mainly like the guys, like now I've seen like the guys from like Hannah season saying, Oh, thank God I didn't go to paradise. Oh yeah. That's Garrett. Garrett kept saying that.

Yeah. I like Garrett too, but I'm like, I was surprised that Garrett wasn't on, but definitely Garrett wanted to go. I'm surprised they didn't have about though. But yeah, I always love how the people who are, it was kind of a running joke

where all the people who would say how they turn it down, they definitely. They didn't get offered. They just didn't get offered the chance to go. I don't know if I didn't get offered how I would be. Probably I would aspire to be like Heather.

Very at peace with it. Very positive. Very positive. Yeah. So now your girl, Hannah, is on Dancing with the Stars, and you were there last night. Yes. You are such a good, supportive friend.

Oh my gosh, I have to go to every single one now. They said I'm their good luck charm. Really? Yes. How fun. Do you want to go? Yeah, it's honestly really fun. I love watching it.

She killed it last night, right? Oh my gosh. It was so phenomenal. Do you think you could do Dancing with the Stars? I don't know. Maybe. I don't know. Probably not.

But if she gets to bring someone on, she's bringing me. Like a team dance? Yeah. I mean, I say that. I don't know. That's her decision. But I told her, like, you have to. I feel like she would totally have.

Yeah, I think so. Like, who else would she have on let's go through the list um me right I don't like you seem to be one of her closest friends if not closest friends from the franchise not that that not that she doesn't have other close friends but if she were to have someone on

yeah you know uh from the show it's not like she's gonna have like just some yeah friend from high school she's not like she's gonna have like just some yeah friend from high school she's not inviting hannah g to come no hannah g is like the most unathletic person i've ever met but like she's so beautiful you know and like she's funny she's beautiful she has the like sweetest personality so like you know you always i look at her and i'm like i just want to be hannah g so whenever there's finally something she can't do and it's be athletic like that's the one thing it's so hilarious like oh i make fun of her for

it is it that bad and it's not that bad it's just so funny like whenever we were in thailand um everyone was paddle boarding and i was like doing something i can't remember what i was doing and then i was like okay i'm ready to go ran out there i see my group of friends out there on the paddleboards like katie taisha heather and then i see hannah g way on the other side of the ocean just sitting on the paddleboard just getting taken away by the ocean because she couldn't figure out how to do it and she's just sitting there and i was like hannah what are you doing and she was like and so then fitz just goes down without a fight you know mother nature what am i gonna do so then fitz goes and fitz paddle boards all the way over there and hooks her up to his and you just see fitz carrying anna and she's just sitting on the paddle i love how she was just calmly like

accepting death literally just so okay with it that's like literal damsel in distress it was so funny but what she wouldn't even show distress. She was at peace. Just like deer in the headlights. Still kind of smiling though and still looking perfect. Yeah. Do you think Hannah's going to win Dancing with the Stars? Who do you think is her toughest competition?

You were there. You saw. She got the high scores last night. I think Hannah's going to win. For sure. But who do you think is her toughest competition? You know. Think storyline.

Storyline. Yeah. Like, I mean, you have to be a good dancer, but also like she's got a good story too. Dawson's Creek. What's that? James Van Der Beek. James Van Der Beek. James.

He's really good. He's good? Yeah. Oh, I think, yeah, James could go far. He's really good. You know, he's really good. He's good? Yeah. Oh, I think, yeah, James could go far. He's really good. You know, he's so good. Did you meet him? No.

He's so good, too, because he has, like, that acting history. And so, like, he's, like, in the dance. Like, you know? I really struggle with that, too. I was so nervous. Is Hannah nervous when she's out there? Have you asked her? I was so nervous.

She's nervous. You were. Yeah, I really, like, I always wish I could do it again for that reason. I think my nerves would be just the performance aspect of it it of going on staging and you you were there just crazy you don't think about the tv but you think about the audience and just like all the steps and like getting it right I just was very nervous about that so I wasn't I didn't feel like I was really in the dance and it showed through and if I would have wanted to do it to get to again for that reason yeah Hannah seems to be really good at that i wonder if her she's i think like i know that

she's nervous but like she's so excited i think she like um whenever she's out there and stuff she's having so much fun that i think it kind of helps her nerves and i think her partner is really good for her and he probably calms her nerves down do you do you uh do you sense any physical chemistry between the two i mean i don't know i told her don't shit where you eat like you know has the show i mean he's the best i like last night me and him i could talk to him all night he's the greatest ever um i don't know if there's any chemistry i don't want anyone putting all that like pressure on her i feel like everyone is like oh they're gonna fall for each other i mean mean, it was like when I was thinking,

when she got casted, I was like, she's definitely gonna be with Alan. Because he's like currently the hot single professional. And you know, come on, Hannah's clearly single. You know, like that storyline of, you know, I think their hope was maybe there'd be some connection, but I haven't had a chance to watch her yet. It would be a dream. That would be great.

That would look so amazing for ABC. The Bachelorette. We accidentally gave her a really crappy fiance, so let's give her a hot and single dance partner on Dancing with the Stars. Well, she kind of gave herself that. Someone could have warned her. They didn't know. All they had to do was talk to the family. Google?

I don't know. Does they have girlfriend? Does Jed have girlfriend? Well, to be fair, that was your job. Oh, God. Yeah. Okay. I forgot about that people

say there's so many you get a lot of heat for that yes there's so many memes of me and katie in the van and they're like she had one or they had one job and i'm like you know what you can't catch them all that is funny for the first the first episode you're there trying to find out if uh anyone has a boyfriend and you a boyfriend a girlfriend or anyone and amazing bring him on and she picks the guy who has has a girlfriend that's uh yeah yeah fucked up well it's a good thing that you and henna can get through that in your friendship and also judge you for it are you mad at me you didn't catch him is it hard like for me,

I sometimes struggle with jealousy and friendships like, cause she gets, is getting so much attention. Is that hard at all for you? No, not at all. I feel like Demi is the one person who can relate. Exactly.

We both get, I mean, there's attention everywhere. It's like sometimes like whenever we went to the Alabama game, you know, obviously all those people are like from alabama and they worship hannah brown so that was probably the one i mean people were still giving me lots of attention but it was like the one time i could like not be not have to be in the photo you know i'm like i'll take it let me take it for you do you find that hannah's the one person you really can relate to right now? Because let's be honest, you are a big star right now.

And do you feel some of that pressure from your peers? I know you're going to say the nice thing right now. Yeah, you know. Just give like a wink. No, but it's nice to have friends that you can trust. And sometimes you can only trust people who can relate to your experience. Yeah. I mean, things have been really, really crazy for both Hannah and I.

And so it is nice to like have that one person that I'm like, you know, you know, like all the aspects of it. And we both like we have a lot of similarities and like how we process things and stuff like that. So in what way like i mean it gets complicated like say say some cool celebrity wants to hang out with us we're both we both think the same way like okay don't freak out like we're gonna be real chill about this and it's gonna be no big deal and we're so good and then they want to hang out again

because we're so good at it because we're like acting as if like yeah and inside i'm like hannah what the fuck but yeah like i don't know so that's just an example but just a lot of different things like whenever we are out in public and like you know it's kind of getting overwhelming like so many people keep approaching us we'll just give each other like a look of like, help, help, help. We got to get out of here. This is like way too much.

I just feel like we're on the same page a lot, like our same wavelength, you know? It's always good to have that friend who can relate. You know, there was a rumor that Tyler was going to be on Dancing with the Stars with Hannah. Is that not true? I'm just like, what the heck, dude? How is he nominated for a People's Choice Award?

Right? I was like, seriously? It's the E! News people. I mean, our podcast was not. But it's a really touchy subject. No, it's like this new thing that E! is doing. It's like the... They didn't even have that available for a couple.

It's Bachelorette's a popular show. like the it's yeah well they're they didn't even have that available for a couple like it's bachelorette's a popular uh a show and now they're having all these categories of like reality tv stars and he was a big star on hannah's season so it makes sense it's not like the it's not the people choice awards that you would see on like and you know what i'm saying like it's it's a little different but uh i think isn't colton up for the same thing yeah but i'm okay with hannah and colton being on there because they're like leads and if you're not if they're gonna do someone that's not a lead why the hell is it not me oh so that's where it comes from this is where this is all coming from yes this is very selfish hey i mean i'm just a little upset that it didn't exist when I was on the show. So I get it.

We're so vain. We're super vain and jealous. I think those rumors always come from fans. It wasn't true about Tyler being on Dancing with the Stars? No. I mean, I don't think it wasn't even an option for a... Like, again, I think I said this when Tyler was on. I know they're both on abc

but it's not as seamless of uh they're two different production companies who produce the shows and so uh they you have to get the blessing from one production company when people are under contract so my guess is that's it was a non-starter um dancing with stars might have wanted it it would have been great. Yeah. But I don't think. He's like the hottest person I've ever seen, I think. Oh, agreed.

I'm right here. Oh, sorry. Amazing. I love making him so jealous. Yeah. All right. Well, time to go. No bad blood between you guys?

Who? You and Tyler. No. No. No, I met him. He's blood between you guys? Who? You and Tyler. No. No. No, I met him. He's actually great. He's really great. He's so nice.

Yeah. He's very easy to talk to. Nice guy. Dating Gigi Hadid. Well, yeah. He's so hot. He's dating Gigi Hadid. I know.

Wow. I guess I'm just a average guy. Nick can't handle it. It's fine. I know he's hot. Should we play? Do you know me? Are you up for it?

We're going to ask some random questions. We're going to truly dive into the real Debbie Burnett. All right, let's go. And we're going to try to guess who knows you even better. What do you mean by that? How does this work? I'm going to say a phrase and insert your name, and you're not going to answer it away.

And Michelle and I are going to guess. And then we'll see what comes of it. I'm excited. Are you ready? I love games. Do you know me? Do we know Demi Renaud? Can Demi name three Shakespeare plays plays i think uh demi could i think her first reaction would just

say no but i feel like if she really thought about it she can do it what about you rochelle so my answer is i think i think she's gonna try and get two. What in the fuck? All right. I don't think that she can be. Just because she played sports, I don't think she did theater.

Wow, that's such a... That's a good point. And she's too busy living her goddamn life. Do you think I can name three? Yeah, I do. So I'm annoyed that Nick got it. He hit the nail on the head. I can name two. Well, I do. So I'm annoyed that Nick got it. You hit the nail on the head. I can name two. How did you know that?

I know. Whenever, like, I was literally sitting here. I was like, okay, I've got two. What are they? Romeo and Juliet, duh. And Hamlet. Oh, I guess it's not really a hard question. But what's the third one?

I can't. I'm, like, going crazy. Bello. As you like it. Maybe I can only name two king lear are you naming them yeah i'm just saying words yeah are you reciting it i was thinking of something else but all right so so you can't no nick i don't think i think i can only name two wow that is that's like i'm sure if you kept naming up there's like one that i'm not really sure if you did it but in the on the spot yeah i guess i can only name two wow

on the spot that's the thing always tough well i guess we're both right but i also was more specific has demi ever blacked out from drinking yes i do i even have to answer look at her reaction who has it how old i have never i have it oh my god i throw up i'll get sick well how old were you when you first blacked out college college yeah did you ever have one of the like blackout blackout where you're like what the fuck did you like you had to retrace your steps? Oh, yeah. No, I woke up one time. I was underneath like, you know, in a sorority you have like a big and a little like my big. I was underneath her bed in the sorority house and I like rolled out from underneath it. I was like, what the fuck am I doing here? And she was like, oh, little. She called you little oh god she was like

you were so drunk last night and i was like i gotta get the hell out of here this is a great impression i'm good but what did you do um i don't know all i know is that i got super drunk oh she took me back to the sorority house uh put me in the shower why does everyone always do that yeah always putting people in the shower naked they just want to see you naked i think i'm like oh my gosh do you like take your clothes off and threw you in a shower yes that's what people would always do in college always i mean you're dumb when you're 18 aren't you you wake up and you got wet hair and you're like the fuck who threw me in the shower and why you fell asleep in the shower no well no i'm sure i was passed out in the shower i'm sure i was not functioning

in the shower you woke up in the shower naked no no but it's just like the idea that someone like took your clothes off and put you in the shower and you don't remember it's weird yeah yeah that's pretty pretty crazy that's definitely weird if i woke up naked in the shower i think it's because like everyone is like drunk, too. And then you're just the drunkest. And they're like, what the fuck did we do? I don't know. Throw her in the shower every time.

I haven't blacked out in a long time, though. I will say. Good for you. Very proud of that. Yeah. Well. There's always tomorrow. Right?

Has Demi ever pole danced pole danced has demi ever pole danced you're giving it away demi on your face i'm not yes yes no what i've never pole danced well you gotta get on that you've never seen a pole and tried to dance like a well duh that's different duh you never gone to a pole dancing class no no oh that was the only time i swung around on a pole that was like in the middle of a bar like you know yeah that's what i was kind of saying yes to but like not like sexy i was like swinging like going around in circles really fast like having fun like it was a kid's toy at a jungle gym or at a playground do you think you're more sexy or cute cute i could be both it depends but probably cute does demi have facetune on her phone the app

i'm gonna say definitely not because she's flawless she doesn't need it well you can have facetune andune and only use certain aspects of it and not actually tune. So I'm going to say she does have it. It's on there. I don't think she relies on it, but it's on the phone. I do have Facetune,

but I have never, ever, ever Facetune, like used it to change my appearance. Like, you know, like make myself skinnier or. What do you use it for? The filters. Like a filter. They have a bunch of filters on there. Oh.

And I don't even smooth or anything because. Smooth your skin. I mean, I'm looking right at you. It's quite smooth. Oh, gosh. This is my face is disgusting right now. This is last night's makeup. Pretty impressive.

She literally woke up like this, people. Yeah. Wash your face, though, people. This is last night's makeup. Pretty impressive. She literally woke up like this, people. Yeah. Wash your face, though, people. Wash it. It's disgusting. But yeah, no. So I don't ever use it to alter myself because I think that that can just get really messy. Like, this is what I look like.

Yeah. You know? It's dangerous. It's dangerous. You got to look better in person than on your Instagram. That is crucial crucial crucial you imagine that that that look you get from people when they meet you in person and they go whoa yeah i mean i got and you know the first thing that they're doing is they're going to

their friend whispering wow she looks a lot better on instagram yeah oh that's very important people are so fucking mean has demi ever traveled to another country alone no i'm gonna say no no i would be kidnapped you would i've been taken and there was two of them someone would just like come up to you and be like, hey, I got a great party over in a couple cities over. You'd be like, okay. Demi's just like, hey, I don't know where to go. Is there anything fun to do in... They're like, get in my car. I'll take you there.

Yeah. I'll take you to the fun. Does Demi have a Bitmoji? I don't think I follow you on Snapchat, so I don't know. I don't even Snapchat anymore. I think you do have a bitmoji. I do. I wonder what she looks like.

Should we look? Yes. How do I even get there? I feel like it'll be pretty accurate. It's a tiny, cute blonde thing. With blonde hair. Is it an app? Yeah, it is.

Usually you text it. Oh, yeah. Oh. Ooh, this is. Usually you text it. Oh, yeah. Oh. Dude, this is a good one. This is a good one. And I don't know the answer to this, but I feel like we're the same. Are we tied right now?

What? You're winning. I'm probably winning. Oh, are we tied? Does Demi have over 1,000 unread emails on their phone? Oh, hell yes. I'm going to say yes. Oh, yeah.

I got, I think, like 6,000. Same. No, I'm at like 3,000. How do you guys survive? Because you're pretty, I guess. No, what does that have to do with looks? You can get by people they're just like okay you equate this to looks my thing is how am i subscribed to all of these freaking

things i'm like i never remembered subscribing to any of this stuff why am i getting all these emails anything you've ever gotten or registered you didn't opt out and even then i do like there's no way i've never even heard of some of these places that i'm subscribed to well it could have been like you could have signed up for one thing and like you yeah you know your information got sold somewhere yeah somebody texted me the other day and they were like is this demi i'm a huge bachelor i get that all and i said how did you get my number you responded yeah because i wanted to know did you get my number? You responded? Yeah because I wanted to know

How they got my number And they said It was because they were a lawyer And they have a special database That they can see Like they can get people's numbers I don't know what they were talking about Someone needs to take their license away

Did you say you're weird? No I blocked them I just got the information I needed to know Which was how they got my number You should not reply I've even gotten texts From random people, Bachelor fans.

You have now? Yeah. Welcome to the club, Rochelle. It's creepy. Yeah, it's terrifying. I'm just surprised you reply. Well, I only replied that time so I could figure out where they got it from.

Like, I didn't know if it was posted somewhere or like something so I could like try to get it removed from the internet. I get that, but it's almost impossible. Like, you know what I'm saying? It's impossible. One time I got a phone call from this random person and they said, I was like, where did you get my number?

And they said, oh, this guy said he went on a date with you and he gave it to us at the bar because he was trying to be cool. So I was like, so this guy went on a date with one time, gave a bunch of girls at a bar my number so he could be cool. What? Insane. Insane. Insane. People are weird.

Disrespectful. It's amazing to me how people try to be a part of things. You know? Yeah. People like to, I think it comes down to people like to be involved. And they like to be a part of the story, whatever that story is. Oh my gosh. You know who I met last night? Uh-oh. to be involved and they like to be a part of the story whatever that story is oh my gosh you know

who i met last night oh um she just was like uh dating miley cyrus oh i don't know her name but i know who you're talking oh yeah okay i want to say it's caitlin but i don't think it's caitlin sure the girl who was dating miley's yeah i met her last night and no there's nothing like exciting about that i didn't know who it was and And I said, I was like, hi. And she like came up to me. She's like, I just wanted to say hi. And like, thank you. Like something about, you know, like, thank you.

Because yeah, she's obviously like open and whatever. I don't know what she is. She was dating. Caitlin Carter. Okay. Brody. Brody. Yeah.

And I was like, oh, you're so adorable. Was she at Dancing with the Stars? Or was she? She was at Dancing with the Stars. And then like whenever she walked away, Colton was like do you know who that was i was like nope and he was like that was caitlin carter and he's like the girl who just got out of the relationship with miley cyrus and my jaw dropped and i sat down oh my god what he was like yeah i figured you didn't know because like i was just like you know shooting the shit with her i love that

oh my gosh that's so funny. Tapped into pop culture. I mean, I certainly have seen the stories that I wouldn't have known. I didn't know what she looked like just when Michelle brought it up. Yeah, she's super cute. She seems like she kind of has a similar vibe to you.

She's a cute little girl. Yeah, she's totally cute. Yeah, they're no longer dating r.i.p that relationship is she bisexual i don't know well i'm uh something what do you mean like they were she's dating a woman i don't know if she was what she identified as i gotcha i guess you know it doesn't matter yeah it doesn't matter. Fluid, right? Isn't that what it is? You just... Whatever, man.

Whatever, whatever. Final thoughts, Demi. What do you have for us? You're killing it. You're a big star. We've come a long way. Yeah, we've come a long way. A year ago, I was in the Bachelor Mansion.

So that's crazy. That's right, yeah. Yeah. Today... Really a full year year today has been a year since the infamous hannah brown's lack of toast it was on her birthday it's her birthday today birthday it's her birthday happy birthday happy birthday hannah oh wow a couple libros yeah yeah and now look at her killing it on Dancing with the Stars. Amazing. But yeah, so life is good.

Just trying to figure out how I'm going to scam some network into giving me a TV show. And yeah, take over the world. Well, I support you. Thanks for coming on once again. We'll probably have to just be friends now and not hang out on podcasts. Yeah, we do that anyway. Yeah. Thanks for being such a good friend. Thank you for being such a good friend thank you for being such a really come a long way i know wow look at this you know you've seen it all in full yeah i've been a witness i demi and i a couple weeks ago uh when i told that

story about the the weird text not weird but the text message i got from the person who didn't want to talk to me i was at at Shake Shack with Demi and I was getting advice from Demi and she was really walking me through it and giving her two cents, which I really appreciated. And I thought to myself, wow. How the tables have turned.

Really come full circle. I'm a lot more mature than I would not have expected that when I was like watching Demi troll me on paint therapy on my Instagram. Oh my gosh, it's so amazing. Yeah, there's a lot of layers to this. There's a lot of layers. And I look forward to continue

seeing more of those layers peeled back. But as always, thanks for being a friend. Thanks for coming on. Best of luck to your life, your career, your relationship. And I'm sure it will all be great thank you i'm excited well guys as always thanks for tuning in it's been another episode of nick vile files i was about to say ask nick you forgot the name of your show i don't know whatever been another episode of nick but another episode with uh the uh what you're a household name on the vile files now oh my god you're just a household name thanks for being a regular

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