The Viall Files - E464 Bachelorette Recap w/ Becca Moore

Episode Date: August 23, 2022

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Bachelorette Recap Edition! Today we are back for another episode, with friend of show, the hilarious TikToker and massive Bachelor Fan, Becca Moore. On this episode we start off by diving into Bachelor Nation Tea, talking about the conspiracy theories that Logan Palmer never had covid and the real reason he was kicked out is a secret. Sofia Vergara leaking the cake and details of the wedding of Wells Adams and Sarah Hyland, and Susie Evans and Clayton Echard decided to live separately with the news that Susie would be moving to Los Angeles while Clayton stays in Phoenix. We then dive into the episode recap itself, talking about the hometown visits that shined and the interactions that sucked. We break down Tyler being dropped before hometowns, a reveal about Zach’s personal life, and how Tino’s parents don’t respect his business plan. We also give into how the pick for the next Bachelor is now unclear and how an unconventional choice could lead to the most entertaining outcome.  “They want it to be perfect before starting.” Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes.  Pre-Order Nick’s Book: https://www.abramsbooks.com/product/dont-text-your-ex-happy-birthday_9781419755491/ Check out our new "Introvert" merch at http://www.viallfiles.com today! THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Babbel: Right now, save up to 60% off your subscription when you go to http://www.Babbel.com/viall. Babbel—Language for life. Wilgrain: Hungry already? For a limited time, you can get $30 off the first box - PLUS free Croissants in every box - when you go to http://www.Wildgrain.com/VIALL to start your subscription. ShipStation: Sign up using promo code VIALL for a FREE 60-day trial today at http://www.shipstation.com and start breathing easier with every shipment. That’s 2 whole months of stress-free shipping. And it’s free to try! Episode Socials:  @viallfiles @nickviall @becccamooore See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

you're crazy what's going on everybody welcome back to another episode of the vile files bachelorette recap edition i'm your host nick joined by ali and and Amanda. I was listening to the episode this morning that you were teasing me about. So I decided to get it right. I've never gotten the eye contact and my name at the same time. Never? Until today. Never.

Never. I'm doubling down. The wonderful Becca Moore returns and is with us in studio. How are you Becca? I was 40 minutes late and Nick with us in studio. How are you, Becca? I was 40 minutes late. And Nick is mad at me. I'm so sorry.

It's not bad. Well, I sat down and he was like, hi, you're 40 minutes late. I feel so bad. And I also. Well, first he said, I'm so late. And then I was like, yeah, but 40 minutes. I said it like in a nicer way. It is my pet peeve.

I'm so sorry. I cannot believe you even had me back after last time, though, because we were like, we're going at it. That in a nicer way. It is my pet peeve. I'm so sorry. I cannot believe you even had me back after last time though, because we were like, we're going at it. That was a great episode. Well, because we disagree on a lot of things for sure. We disagreed on Sinead. Well, we disagreed that I thought maybe people should be willing to consider that there might be more to Sinead.

I hate the devil's advocate thing that he does. That's why. I'm not playing devil's advocate. I'm offering my opinion, which might be different than we already fight. Yeah. We've been fighting off camera too. I feel like you're the devil's lobbyist

more than the devil's advocate. Yeah. It's not even advocating. It's lobbying. The devil. He was like, I'm sure Sinead has like charming sides to her. Like what?

Now she's charming? Yeah. Let's watch Bachelor in Paradise maybe. I don't know. I can't confirm that she's on. I don't know. You know, I live in Nashville. I hear like a ton of spoilers, but I feel like I already know.

Oh, it's like Bachelor City. Yeah. Yeah. Well, don't. Well, yeah, I'm moving. I move here in two weeks. Did you know that? To LA?

Yeah. Oh, well. I'm looking at three apartments today. It's exciting. Well, I'm late. I'm going to be late now. Whole day is just behind my 40 minutes it's because I didn't

confirm my Uber I didn't hit the confirm button I've done that before I know but I was so mad I was like why is Uber taking forever I've done that on DoorDash it's like where's my food

I know I've been eating so bad it's brutal when you're hungry and it's my fault yeah it's brutal either way we're happy to have you even though you're late I'm just saying so bad. It's brutal. Yeah. And you're hungry. And it's my fault. Yeah. It's brutal.

Either way, we're happy to have you, even though you're late. I'm so sorry. And I also was saying that Nick is like so hard to read. Like, I don't know. We'll talk about it later. You said mean. Yeah. No, you said scary.

I don't want to be the devil. Scary, scary. You said scary. Intimidating, for sure. Okay. You never know, like, what reality. Like, I don't know. I never know, like react like i don't know i never know like what sorry i i'm considering whether i will continue to be on your payroll after this comment but i feel like you do a very like statuesque listening as opposed to active listening where

it's like you know gabby's like yeah yeah yeah oh my god you know that's my pet peeve with her like i feel like every time they tell a traumatic thing to Gabby, she's like not actually, I don't think that's active listening. I think it's her trying to show that she's paying attention. But I would rather someone be quiet while I talk. Like kind of even like you. But apparently that's intimidating. No, no, that's not why you're intimidating.

I'm just looking at. That doesn't make you intimidating. Well, I think I've realized a feedback I've gotten is, yeah, I'm quiet and I'm really listening. I'm also observing. And it's the observation that people. Ew I'm quiet and I'm really listening. I'm also observing. And it's the observation that people- Ew, stop perceiving me. That's what I don't like.

I don't judge quickly because I'm really like people will judge. They'll come up with stuff. And I'm like, I don't know yet. You know? I like judging fast. So that's the thing. I don't judge fast. But when I do, if I form an opinion, it's often very strong.

Yes. Oh, yeah. I know what I'm saying. I take my time. And once I have it, chances are I'm right. That's how I feel, at least. Like at me next time because I'm 40 minutes away. It's all about me.

People make mistakes, Becca. It's fine. What? People make mistakes. Okay. I want to move on. I don't like this i hate you perceiving me we are happy to have you i'm happy to be back i cannot believe you let me

come back well you're a great guest okay i love it here though for real it's so don't um don't fuck it up oh my god i'll agree with everything you say this time no no we want you to i brought notes we want you to say exactly how you feel oh i would i will should we move into a little conspiracy theory to start us off yeah okay so the internet is a buzz because as we've seen this season the whole logan covid of it all how logan potentially got covid why only logan got covid why when jesse told the guys that, you know, he wasn't... He was in a situation. Yeah, that didn't explicitly say COVID,

but yet Spencer was asking how he was feeling. He said COVID to Gabby. Like, there just seemed to be a lot of holes, and now people are really, like, running with it. Like, a lot of people, or...? I feel like, I mean, I've seen it pop up on my TikTok. I know, like, Reddit is kind of, like, blowing up of just people throwing theories around of, you know, did he, you know, hook up with someone else?

Or did he see someone in Amsterdam that had COVID? Or some people are throwing around maybe he got high in Amsterdam and that was like to ABC. And so they use COVID as an excuse to boot him off the season. It is just a little peculiar of how no one else was exposed. How, I know they canceled like the nighttime portion with the guys, but then it didn't really seem like they did any sort of quarantine. So I was wondering

what are our theories? Like how did he possibly did he have COVID? And if he did, how did he get it? And how did no one else get it? Was he just getting high and they needed to boot him off? What was he doing? Do I go, who wants to go first? Well, I was going to ask, do you have time to do your own thing when you're in a city? He could try to sneak out.

And people have snuck out before and quote unquote gotten in trouble. He had COVID. You think? I think they would cover the hookup thing. They would figure out. Why cover it up? Yeah. This is a reality TV show.

No, I meant like cover. Yeah. I mean, they might not have it. Yeah, but they would talk about it. Yeah, they how to do it. Why cover it up? Yeah. This is a reality TV show. No, I meant cover it on the show. They might not have it. Yeah, but they would talk about it. Yeah, they would talk about it. There are definitely some, I get there's things that don't necessarily make sense. It seems weird that he was the only one who had it.

I just don't think ABC is going to have their host, Jesse, lie about something like COVID, which is still kind of a sensitive topic for people. It's still polarizing. It's even political. And it's just like, why have your host? It's one thing to have a producer like tell a fib, but like have your host. That's on Jesse now. He's a spokesperson for the show now. And now he's lying about a medical diagnosis that could so be easily debunked. And they're going to what trust logan to keep this secret not to mention like all and we also don't know if co logan's the only one who had covid like

staff pas someone else you know like he was the only cast who got it but so was the simplest answer quarantine somewhere on the ship you think for like five days and then they probably i don't know i didn't i really don't know i can't like ask around but the simplest answer is still he had covid they must not have liked each other right i feel like that would have been way more I really don't know. I can't stick him on a flight. But the simplest answer is still he had COVID. They must not have liked each other. I feel like that would have been way more dramatic, you know, because they would have done like a Romeo Juliet thing. I feel like if they had loved each other. Yeah.

Well, I don't think Gabby and Rachel really know half these men. How much time have they spent any time with them? Yeah. I don't think she really – I think she liked Logan. I think she had any time with him. And yeah, I don't think she really, I think she liked Logan. I think she had the hots for him. She stepped back once like Rachel was like mine. And yeah, I forgot about that.

And then Rachel Logan came back and like, it sounded like she was generally interested, but by the time he got COVID, she was like, eh, you know. I wasn't gonna pick anyways it would just be surprising to me because if he didn't have covid that would have been leaked by now think of all the people who would have had to know that he never tested positive or that something else happened also like i'd be shocked if he's not on paradise and if he did any of these

other things or he had some like breakdown or whatever they wouldn't have invited him back if it was if he got kicked off. If it was like mental health related. It was so bad that they had to kick him off or remove him for something that he did or something that happened to him then they wouldn't bring him back for Paradise literally a month

later because they had filmed it a month and a half after they got done. So you know he was on Paradise? I don't know for sure. I'd be shocked if he's not and if he is then then that would show even more that it probably just genuine yep well we'll have to wait and see and for me the biggest thing is like they wouldn't have jesse palmer lie on national television about something like that like there's a million other excuses they could have come up with if they needed to like, also they could just like not give them a rose. You know, like they kick off people

all the time on that show and you don't know they're getting kicked off. They just don't get a rose. You know, so I didn't think it required some big conspiracy theory about making up a COVID diagnosis and then having Jesse say that. I have another question.

How much are you allowed to drink on the show? Apparently now it's... Because sometimes I seem drunk. Yeah. Well, now they have a rule. It's, I believe, two drinks an hour. I don't know how hard that's enforced because my understanding is that you could have two drinks on the bottom half of one hour and two drinks at the top half of another hour.

They get four drinks in a matter of minutes. It seems like they all sit down at cocktail parties and just start making it. Don't even talk. Well, when you're nervous, you just make out. There we go. Speaking of making out, guess who's doing a lot of kissing this weekend? Friend of show Wells and his new bride, Sarah Hyland. They got married finally?

They tied the knot on Saturday. Yes. Oh my God. It was amazing. It was amazing. Did you go to the wedding? Well, I don't think I'm supposed to be able to talk about it quite yet. But someone else did.

Yeah. Sofia Vergara. That was wild. She posted some photos, which I think was a no-no. Yeah. We'll talk about the wedding tomorrow on going deeper because no i want to know my understanding is that there is going to be a lovely vogue article about the wedding with the details that comes out today tuesday if you're listening in on monday

night tomorrow so check that out uh but as these weddings often go uh when they have high profile characters a vogue might come along and say we would like to cover this and take pictures and as these weddings often go, when they have high profile characters, a Vogue might come along and say, we would like to cover this and take pictures and get the exclusive. But not if Sofia Vergara comes to your wedding. No, no, no. That exclusive is hers and hers alone. Because we woke up Sunday morning to like,

she posted about the cake, the wedding cake. The wedding cake. That's not even a selfie. That is wedding details. She like posted about like things that were like specific for Sarah and Wells. Yeah, because Wells had mentioned that when he was on the show about how they did a really interesting cake situation. Sure. And they had these other things.

They had these other things. Again, like watch, like check out the Vogue article. It was a top notch experience and we'll talk about it tomorrow on Going Deeper but wow Sofia Vergara

really decided to couldn't contain her joy so excited but like she posted all the things that you would want that like

that you'd want to save or is it still up? I think people grabbed a lot of screenshots of it once she posted about it, then the Swigleys and the E! News is like fair game at this point.

I mean, out of respect for my friends, I'm going to wait till tomorrow. She also has 26.5 million followers of all the people who could have posted. Yeah. She got the word out. But I can see picture people like not realizing it, you know, like.

Maybe she didn't realize. Well you know like maybe she didn't realize well maybe maybe she didn't but like she is sofia vigara who's probably been to like another person's famous wedding and like this i don't know like that's a random it's like i feel like she's usually probably one of the most high profile people in any given room so i wonder if maybe she was like oh this would be to protect me like this is like oh like they're doing this because they don't want like other cast members from Modern Family and other people with high profiles to feel like so it's like it's for to protect me

if the most famous person at the wedding made it about them but I guess I don't know anything about her I saw her there she was a lovely person I didn't speak anything about her. I saw her there. She was a lovely person. I didn't speak with her, but that was some drama.

She did not understand the assignment. She did not understand the assignment. But anyways, we'll talk about it tomorrow. Go check out the lovely Vogue article and see those pictures. Or Sofia Vergara's Instagram. Either or. Whichever one's more easily accessible. Well, those stories should be expired by the time this episode

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headlines uh clayton and suzy have decided you know, we know they road tripped from Scottsdale, Arizona to Virginia Beach for the summer. They live together. They're now deciding to live apart. So Clayton is actually going to move back to Scottsdale, Arizona, and Susie is moving to L.A. And Clayton was being asked about this, and he explained it's only a 50 minute flight apart, but we're both chasing our dreams. We both feel that those are the spots we want to be in. I'm working on my computer 10, 12 hours a day. So she was like, Clayton, I'll move to LA.

And then we can travel on the weekends to see each other. And we'll see. I thought the and we'll see was a bit ominous. But when people are questioning the relationship relationship he assured everyone that they're very very happy right now and in a really great spot etc etc so people were thinking maybe a breakup or starting those rumors because they're living apart after living together but it seems like it's really career-based um and just they want to be in two different cities yeah i mean they're one of my favorite couples so like i would hit they're one of my favorite couples so like i i would hit they're one of your

favorite couples yeah why i love suzy fall me and suzy are friends on tiktok okay so i love you suzy why are they your favorite couple because they went through a lot and i i really am a big fan of suzy i like clayton i really like suzy and i think clayton well he you know did his shit he did he do anything that wrong, though? That's like, exactly. Like, I don't even, I feel like- Well, you're right. And then he got fucking crucified.

And I think he took his beating. He took ownership for what he did do, which he did something. The criticism and the hatred did not meet the crime, so to speak. But he didn't make, like so many bachelor people will make excuses and blame other people blame the show he just took it and they seem like a very fun happy couple they're fun on tiktok there's nothing not delay they seem some sincere and genuine and i just like that they were able to like have each other's backs in a very difficult time and that endeared me to them i just really like suzy and he's just not my i don't know

why i'm like living through her he's not for everyone but you know that's fine yeah but you know this is technically a step backwards maybe you don't love that but this is a unique relationship i can see why clayton moved to virginia quickly to you know solidify the relationship because it was tumultuous and and maybe they realized hey we're getting we are still a young couple we're not engaged we wanted to like make this work but it's possible you know but like certainly if you are a clayton and and and suzy super fan of the relationship you might be a little nervous what's your opinion do you think they'll last what my opinion is that was this my opinion you don't you don't know i don't know okay yeah i don't know i can't i can't speculate i think they break up that's mine

well the odds of any bachelor relationship working out are you did long distance too right no no she moved to la right away yeah and then we broke up yeah maybe it'll be good i don't know but i if i had to bet i think they'll break it what do you guys think i don't think it's a good sign necessarily and it's not a great sign it's not a great sign and what i what i'm questioning is clearly they packed up his whole apartment in arizona he did the cross-country move clearly he's going back there he really now no we know he enjoys his life there to the point where he wants to go back, even if that's alone. I mean, Susie has her videography business and she's tried to emphasize she wants to do more like travel and do like destination weddings.

So maybe her location isn't as specific as it. I don't know. But I'm like the fact that it doesn't feel like she's jumping back into the Scottsdale of it all. I don't know if he necessarily wants to be in L.A. Clearly, they didn't stick it out in Virginia Beach. So I'm like, if it becomes a location thing. Yeah. I mean, it reminds me of the Kendall and the Joe of it all.

It's like it really couldn't do the locations. I still want them together. I like him and Serena. I think they're really cute. Yeah. They are too, but I love Joe. Just Kendall seems so heartbroken on the beach. They did Serena. I think they're really cute. Yeah. They are too, but I just, I love Joe. Just Kendall seems so heartbroken on the beach. That was a,

they did her dirty. I cried. I think they did her dirty. I cried. They didn't? I don't think so. Oh. What do you think happened?

You think that was her? Kendall and Joe? Yeah. What do you mean? I think, what do I think? What do I know? You just said something crazy.

What? That's crazy. That's a conspiracy theory that they didn't do her dirty. I think she You just said something crazy. What? That's a conspiracy theory. That they didn't do her dirty? I think she knew what she was doing. Really? Yeah. But she said that when she walked to the proposal scene,

she didn't know that was like Joe's proposal. That might be somewhat true. I think it's easy to nitpick moments that you don't know exactly everything. And then you'll hear conversations of cat and i don't know this specifically about candle but you'll know you'll have her then you'll hear contestants talk about how like i knew this i like they have the producers figured out type of thing and i think it's all a game especially in paradise they act like you know they're all like well-read and experts in

their own storyline and i just think for kendall kendall's a smart person and for kendall to walk down to that beach at the time in which she was walking down having already been engaged on that show right they got engaged or they're just dating either way. They made it to the end. And not, you know what I'm saying? And be in that world and act like she had no idea it was going to happen or that she should even trust the producers in that situation.

I think there's a level of convenient, oh my God, I didn't know. You told me it wasn't going to happen. I can see that. and I think it's just very easy for a lot of people in that world to blame the show

or blame the producers and at the end of the day everyone down there wants air time wants camera time wants attention wants to feel no I think

that she was in love with Joe I don't think she wanted more air time two things can be true at the same time okay could be wrong she was in love with Joe. I don't think she wanted more air time. Two things can be true at the same time. Okay. Could be wrong.

She was definitely in a pickle. Like, no fun to watch your former serious boyfriend. I get it. I don't doubt that it was emotionally hard for her. And I don't doubt that she felt real feelings. But she still knew what she was doing. She knew what she was getting herself into. She could have handled it a bunch of different ways that didn't require her to like take a psych test an std test and walk onto a beach you know what

i'm saying like there are other ways well not really though like i bet she didn't think he would go on the show i think she hated the idea of him going on and be and and literally without her and being likable grocery store Joe and getting getting fanfare without him I love him yeah good guy yeah

and then it's like the worst the worst part of it is that he picked Serena like such a lovely oh my god I can't even say anything bad about her

yes you can talk she's about her like she's beautiful and wonderful I wish it were like Sinead can you imagine oh my god

should we move into the episode yeah oh begging are we not talking about Ben that was pointless but I can ben wants kids okay that's fine god willing they'll have children like okay great fertility is a thing that infertility is a real thing i'm not talking about it no no that's not it doesn't have anything to do with that ally martin is over ben higgins

ally martin doesn't care about ben higgins it doesn't care about Ben Higgins. It doesn't care about fertility struggle. Oh my God. It has nothing to do. I'm joking. I'm a miracle baby. Let's talk about my mother's infertility. No, he just made a statement. I think people are questioning it because it's like,

not questioning it, but bringing it up because they're coming up on one year since getting married. So they were talking to him, you know, about his wife and if they wanted to have kids and he just said they're excited for kids and that God willing, they will have kids.

But right now they don't have any sort of baby fever and they do have a kid and it's a puppy. This weekend. We're making sure the puppy has a good life. We were talking this weekend and I said how getting Jeff, my dog, has only made me that much more excited about being a dad. And Ben was like that opposite for me

apparently the dog's a struggle i think there's love there but or maybe he just doesn't have a ben does not love his dog that would be so funny if like the kindest man in america ben is an only child interesting wow so maybe he doesn't have the caregiving ben is gonna be a bad dad according to me just headline he just might not want to be a dad he said they're excited for kids we're excited for kids i believe that god willing we will have kids it's not something either of us are craving ben's's like craving. Yeah. Interesting. Interesting verb. That sounds like I'm supposed to want to have kids, but I'm not sure if I want kids. Yeah. Nick does not think Ben wants children. It sounds like I think Ben will eventually have kids, but I don't think

they're eager. You know, maybe they just want to have sex for a while. They didn't, they were not having sex. That's crazy. It's true. Maybe this just want to not worry about. Do it for enjoyment rather than a task. I don't want to think about that. He doesn't want to do it for God right now. He wants. Okay. You okay? It's just gross.

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Make ship happen. All right, let's get into the episode. Let's do it. Let's see, hometowns, I guess. Yeah. Hometowns. We start with Jason. Yes.

New Orleans. Oh, my God. This episode really, total predictions. I guess. Yeah. Hometowns. We start with Jason. Yes. New Orleans. Oh my God. This episode really, I, total predictions completely changed. I'm feeling it. Yeah.

She no longer picks Jason. Why do they keep saying he has so many emotions? Where are they? Yeah. It's like our family feels deeply. Yeah.

Like they're like, as you can tell, like, and his dad is so sweet. He's crying. And Jason's just like, like no emotion at all. I think he, it sounds like maybe he deals with some real dark emotions

and it doesn't want to – Like punches holes in his walls at night. Or maybe just like depression of some kind. I don't know. I think some people feel stuff in a way that's very like internal and heady. So like he strikes me as someone who like you can tell how much emotion he feels if like when you talk to him about something, you're like, oh my God, you've like thought about this in all of these deep and intense ways. Not necessarily someone who's super like emotional and like an outwardly like reactive way.

And he doesn't want to share it to just anyone. Did you clock Gabby's reaction though was when he was like, oh yeah, I like almost left at the beginning. And then I thought it was really. Because he's going to Paris? Well, because of her. I think it's like he got the one on one. I think it had less to do with like Paris. almost left at the beginning i know i thought it was really because he's going to paris well because of her i think it's like they she he got the one-on-one i think it had less to do with like paris but there was definitely a moment where she was like oh up on that balcony but she didn't why yeah but she didn't care it makes sense early on i i was the one who thought he was going to go

and i thought he was going to go because he just wasn't saying anything and it kind of makes sense now like you know he's just what early 30s it sounds like he has a good job it's a crazy world to be in there I remember night one being like I could get the fuck out of here really oh yeah I it was like before I got to talk to Natalie is before she gave me the first impression rose and I remember having this like what am i doing here this is insane like i was this by myself andy andy what did i say natalie that's cute that's very sweet it was like one in the morning i hadn't spoken with anyone like the producers were kind of ignoring me i was just like like roaming around the bachelor mansion with like did you make friends with the guys yeah at first but like everyone's just like it's just a zoo night one and I just remember being like I should

leave and then I had another thought being like I'm here just fucking go talk to her and see what happens it's scary to like grab them for the first time sure yeah well you don't really grab them you're like hey can I go talk to her and they're like yeah but if you're the lead and someone tells you like I was close to leaving like in situation, are you flattered that they stuck it out for you? Or are you more concerned that they were a flight risk? Flight risk? I would be concerned. No, flattered.

Interesting. Why a flight risk? Because why didn't you tell me that you wanted to leave? Because you were on a date with four other dudes. Well, that's the whole show. That's the whole show. I know, but it probably was his first time to be able to tell her. Like the whole show.

How could he leave Gabby? She's so cute. I don't know. Well, he didn't leave Gabby. I know, but like how could he think about it and be okay with that decision? I mean, at the time, he didn't know he was leaving. It was just like he had met her for six minutes. I would be offended.

Yeah. I don't know. I wonder also how much it might have to do with like the culture of the house. Obviously, it doesn't seem like he was in any way like being bullied or like on the outs. But just when there's so many different personality types. And one of them is like not Carl, Chris. It probably just wasn't for him. Didn't he say that on his first one-on-one though?

Didn't he say it's been difficult for me? Like being in the house house being in that environment i mean yeah minus whatever like if you know he's talked about therapy he's talked about like having you know like really working on that and maybe having some mental health struggles but minus that like it is a crazy world and like there are some people who are like big basher fans and like this is a dream come true and there are other people and i think it's more common with men who like maybe their friends signed them up and they like abc reached out and they went through the casting process being like i don't know this is crazy this is not for me but like i don't know why not you know like and then you show up and you're just like this is stupid my friends are

gonna make fun of me this is ridiculous and you're like the whole time you're just like i'm on an island no one's talking to me maybe he wasn't connected maybe he's not friends with a ton of the guys you know they cast a certain type of guy for the most part you know and like you know my anti-season they were nice guys but they were just like a bunch of drinking bros and i was just like cool dudes you know like i'm good you know and so maybe they he's not connecting with a lot of guys so maybe he wanted to go and meanwhile he hadn't really talked to gabby all that much and at the time it was two bachelorettes he's like i don't know who i'm even supposed to talk to you know and so yeah it would make a lot of sense that he was like he doesn't seem like the type to want to go to be there i don't think yeah he's not your atypical i don't think he has

a personality have you seen on tiktok that thing of like the theory that everyone's an npc a non-playable character do you know what that is no it's like a background character kind of and like if you keep talking to them it's really an empty shell of a person like not to like say that he's an empty shell of a person but kind of i haven't seen any personality uh some people don't want to show their personality to everyone i can be be like that. Sometimes I'm just like, yeah, I don't really need you to know who I am. I feel like in the past seasons though, by hometowns everyone is so deeper

than this hometown I feel like wasn't taken seriously. Well, that's partly because we're watching this episode and there's no relationship here. Oh, yeah. Honestly, even the strongest relationships like before obviously eric and we'll get into his dad and that was you know you see eric and gabby but like they had one

date that you know kind of didn't go great other than us joking about tino and rachel and the obsession that she seems to have with him there's no like because of the two leads and so many relationships we haven't seen enough in any one relationship that we're really rooting for any relationship you know in bachelor in paradise they the they escalate so much faster and feel way more real like the relationships on that show well because while there's a lot of different relationships to cover often from like episode one people lock into that one person that's not like oh well let's see gabby with you know eric and then jason you know what i'm saying you're just like it's a totally different dynamic well here yeah like you have gabby and rachel going back and forth you had logan

flopping it's just it was all about like what what gabby and rachel are going to do it wasn't really about the relationships it wasn't really about the men so now we're at hometowns we know very little about the men we know very little about these relationships and we're just kind of like all right sure you know which one are you rooting for more if i had to pick one i mean i guess after this episode eric no i'm not girl wise oh rooting for yeah i'm just not i gabby okay rachel follows me on tiktok so rachel's been hard to root for for me i love both both of them. I'm not going to have an opinion on that. I wanted you to. What's your opinion?

I think you're rooting for Gabby. And I think you feel loyal to Rachel because she's following you. But you also are often watching and going, chill out, Rach. Yes or no? Yeah. I love you, Rachel. It's just like I feel like I don't understand because I wasn't on the show because I didn't make it on.

Did you guys see that? I tried to get on the show. When? I didn't get, like two years ago. I was bartending. And I just- How far did you go? I mean, they told me I had to get vaccinated and everything.

So I thought I was like about to be on the show. But- So you went through- Yeah, casting. Oh, okay. But I didn't make it on. Who was the bachelor? Clayton.

Whoa. Yeah. I didn't, I wasn't going to say anything. I'm surprised. You're surprised? You seem like a type of person they would very much be interested in casting. Well, I wasn't showing my real personality. I was trying not to be too crazy because I didn't want to be the villain.

I feel like they could edit my sound bites into being a villain. For sure. And I don't want to be a villain. But yeah, I didn't get on. I don't know. So I don't understand how the lead the emotions would work but i do feel like i feel bad for the guys like when she cries so much about one guy leaving and like the logan the group date when she canceled it making her happy is a full-time job i just really like gabby too like i think she's funny. She seems to handle. Rejection.

Well, she seems to be more grounded in like handling disappointment and things not going her way. She seems to have dealt with some real adversity, obviously, with her mom. And it seems like Rachel sounds like she's had a very well taken care of life and probably hasn't faced a ton of disappointment. She was really into Clayton. Do you think? Yeah. And I thought she was wifey the whole time watching it. Yeah, I thought she was winning. I even said that on the podcast.

Like, she's gonna win. We all did. For her and Zach, like, she should pick Zach, right? I agree. But I don't think she I actually think after this episode, I agree with you. That was a beautiful hometown. That was a perfect story. I think she should pick Zach because I think Rachel needs a guy like Zach. Who is obsessed with her.

Right. And it's going to come down to Tino and Zach. And I think eventually Tino won't be obsessed with her. Tino is a frat guy for sure. He is like 20. How old is he? He acts like 20. I think eventually if she picks Tino outside of Bachelor World,

he will be less excited to do what he needs to do to make her happy. You know who he looks like, Blake? He looks like Blake. You think so? I think he's 28. How old is she? 26 or 27. 28 is like young, or like maturity-wise.

I don't know. It can be. I think they fight off. If they end up together together they're breaking up for sure it's one of those things where it's like you are so obsessed with each other at the beginning but then like even their hometown date I just was like why didn't he stand up for why didn't he like I mean I will say he was pretty like they were his parents were throwing a lot of doubt at him and he was pretty solid and everything he was responding he did not waver

but even I was just like struggling between the connection between Rachel and Tino of her like sitting outside the house and her being like they adored you. She's like Tino they hated me. I heard that whatever happens to me and I did not like the vibes. I gotta say I mean

I thought Rachel handled that pretty well. She so did. So well. She really did. So composed. She used like a big word too. Especially after we saw all the other families drink the Kool-Aid. We saw other families because I feel like usually

like it's a little bit more common for the parents to be a little bit more on the hesitant like are you sure? They still have other people's side. We had, I feel like in this hometown there were so many parents

who were like, tell her you love her. Like who were like urging them to propose to her. Like it was, they were urging them in that direction. Jason's like,

I don't know if this is like, I don't know, this is weird. I barely know her. I haven't talked to her. it was jason's like i don't know this is like i don't know this is weird i barely know her i haven't talked to her and his mama's like i don't know don't let her walk away and i'm like literally johnny's dad was like what what makes you think you're not ready uh emotionally financially you'll figure it out i was like is he from high school a week ago so like especially coming from that as like previously in hometowns to then see like Tino's parents who were just like

not drinking the Kool-Aid. They need to drink some Kool-Aid though. Their son is about to be rich. He's going to be an influencer. That's like,

he's set. Oh, for sure, Bachelor in Paradise. These parents don't realize like why they need to be pushing their kids to be on the show. Not for love,

but for money. No, for the wrong reasons. Pull a Kris Jenner. No, literally. Like surfing a momager so we don't uh so we we don't like what tino's parents did i mean minus minus minus on having the foresight foresight for cash but like for the love of their son they just made themselves look bad they're the villain like and also so condescending how they're like acting like they're so above the show you're on the show right now like you're on the show but we have no empathy for parents who didn't sign up for the show their 28 year old adult son who they don't get to parent decided to go on for himself

that's fine but as still as parents they show up hey ma'am and dad like i'm bringing a camera crew to your house it's a very typical thing we've talked about this every season the producers will walk in the day before they'll outfit the house put like you know shit like this lighting and the producer will like kind of give them like the beats of this is what's going to happen but they won't really tell them anything and all the parents will be like what's going on and they love them but well you know ask them tomorrow you know do they know which girl is going to come uh probably because i don't mean i don't know i haven't they didn't seem i don't have two bachelorettes so they probably knew it was rachel and then their son or daughter walks in like

essentially look brainwashed yeah just walking in being like i love her and they're like love her we've never even met her yeah we never met her and being like you you know maybe they were like they probably didn't say this but some version of like you know you've been kind of a fuck boy the past three years and now you love her you know like especially tino yeah sure you know and so like they're just probably like hey man pump the brakes they also have like a very tight window to literally like try to like like blink twice if you need help like hey man oh yeah i didn't think about that they can't even do like an off camera combo there's no. No. Oh, my God.

And so they're just, like, trying to, like, get through their son or daughter about, like, hey, man, just before you, like, do this, like, life-changing choice, maybe it works, you know? Like, I don't fault his parents at all. I know they came across a little harsh. But when you're a girl, you're, like, sensitive. No, I get it. Rachel was probably, like, already freaking out.

No, I get it. And totally tough on Rachel. Like, I thought she handled herself really well that conversation should have been for a boy coming to date this i feel like it would have why why are we why because they're less sensitive i don't know like if that happened to you i feel like you could have handled it well but if that were rachel vanessa's dad first was like i can't give you my blessing and i was like what i understand yeah and then he did like 10 minutes later it was all for the show but like yeah it's tough um but it was also interesting because you could tell Rachel was so nervous about it before even going in and they kind of like fed

into it of the them sitting on the bench it's not a coincidence that her favorite guy yeah was the toughest hometown but also we haven't seen Avon yet and remember when Avon said like my first my dad didn't like someone then my dad didn't like someone, then my mom didn't like someone. So she might be taking back to back. I suspect it'll probably go well, I guess. Yeah. Wait, is that the only one we haven't seen?

Yeah. I feel like it's weird to just leave one out of the mix. My guess is it'll probably be Avon's hometown, maybe some other, and then Rose Ceremony. And then some heartfelt, two good other, and then Rose Ceremony. And then some like heartfelt, two goodbyes that pretend to be heartfelt. And then Bleeding the Tell-All. Oh.

Is my guess. Also like, how boring is Tell-All going to be? They must do that because there's been literally no drama between the guys. Well, Logan, tell us what happened.

I had COVID. Yay! I want a commercial break. They will bleed out this Logan story for sure. It'll be like the back and forth and they'll have to answer for that

and then they'll probably hopefully get like and like who's the fucking mentality? Chris. Chris. And a bunch of like guys

who went home week two will like start yelling at Logan. The twins. The twins come back. Hayden will have a moment of being like Rambo. Shanti pointed that out.

Yeah, that'll be it. This season has been so boring, I think. No drama. But I feel like the show is returning to its roots in the sense of like there is inherent drama. If you lean into the love story element, like I think that's the best route for drama. Because I think with other shows,

you have more mechanisms for drama. There's more like ways that you can be betrayed. There's shady shit that can happen with this show the way to make it most dramatic is to have the most heartfelt love stories well i haven't had we don't even know any of them hopefully that happens going forward you know like with you know like gabby and eric you know like it's like now i think eric wins yeah out of nowhere. You know, but like, that's, I'm not surprised that we were surprised because we're just, we have such little information, but all these guys that were making these, like,

I think Jason wins out of like such little information. We're just like, what was your favorite one-on-one? You know, what do you think fed into? Cause I feel like typically when we just have one lead and four hometowns, it's very much like day together, night with the family. Why do you think we were experiencing like some right away go see the family, some later?

Is it really just like whatever their activity was? Editing. I just thought it was interesting. Like Eric, they got to have like the drinks afterward and have their moment after meeting the family as opposed to other people who are probably still nervous about meeting the family, and then they just leave the house and don't see their person again. I do feel like they skimmed on the town element of hometown. I'm sure Eric's hometown had very special considerations

given the weight of it. How can he not win now? His dad is... Well, how can he not... I mean, one, either Eric wins or he's the bachelor. Oh, yeah. No, Tyler's got's got a bachelor tyler's not tyler he's getting the ben hagen he got i don't think he is gonna be but i think they set him up as a backup bachelor option yes that would be the worst are you kidding the thing okay in talking about i mean no offense ty. He came across as a child,

a delusion child who wouldn't just shut up when she was clearly going to break up with him. She's doing the office look at the camera panic. She's doing a literal gym moment to the camera being like, what the fuck? They don't make someone who's like, no, I'm not falling in love with you. I'm in love with you.

And then show Rachel's face go, that's not bachelor material. Like, what are you guys watching? Well, that he's devastated, that he's like, and that he handled the breakup so well. What? Okay, I don't believe that.

How is that well? Okay, I don't personally, When someone tries to break up with you and you just keep talking over them. But when they ultimately do reject you, that you you then say i wish you nothing but the best i know you'll find a special kind of love like that's what i mean and i don't i'm not saying like for me personally i think there are no stakes in the relationship to me and maybe this is not his fault because maybe they had this magical love affair that they simply didn't show but i'm

guessing they also just didn't but like like, we certainly didn't see it. And so he comes across as this guy who has no business having the feelings he claims to have for Rachel. And he came across as like, as we see every season, is a guy who's just like, should I just say I love her now?

Like, is this the moment where I say I love her? And just like saying it because like, hey, I'm on The Bachelor and I want to get the followers. I don't believe anything Tyler says. Yeah, me neither. And if he actually thinks that he's in love with Rachel, then he has a lot of growing up to do. I think there's two versions of Tyler.

Either he's just kind of insincere there for the TV and just like, whatever, I'll tell her I love her. Or he's a child and he's an immature who if he believes that's love, then come on. And he was just like, I still believe in this love what love there's no he does she doesn't like you i think it will be if he's on paradise it will be really good data because if he does the same stuff then it will be like obviously incredibly i predict he will i predict he will also fall and like maybe and again i'm being a little harsh. Yeah, he's young and like he maybe has a very, again, immature view on what it means to be in love or it's just like a fantastical fairy tale experience. And maybe that's what he thinks love is. And if it is,

then he will go on Paris and either and do the same thing or if he just thinks he's supposed to fall in love. But there's no like, what do I love about you? Or, you know, it's just like. It's like the opposite of Nate's whole thing to Gabby where he was like, I love the way you look off to the side. Like, I love that. Like the very specific, like nuanced little details. His is like, you are a princess in a castle. It just reeked of like trying to convince someone.

Princess of the boardwalk. You know, of, I thought it was awkward and kind of, ew. Kind of rude too. Yeah. to like take up your time she's like i just you know but like no let me this is about me i want to convince you why yeah well just and just you know like this love was real this love yeah this love where i can't even read your face because you're dying to get out of this conversation and break up with me like your skin is falling off your body because you're so uncomfortable but no this love is real i do think it was a classy move on rachel's part to break up before meeting the family sure yeah that would have been really painful to watch yeah

it's yeah it's it's hard to do the hometowns are a brutal week but yeah tyler's not your next bachelor what the fuck if he is serious at this rate though, we never know anymore. We never know. It's random. That is true. We didn't. I think Clayton would be. I really think they're keeping him as a backup option.

Like they gave him an edit that could work for the bachelor. No, Tyler. Oh my God. Tyler's a backup option. How do you think of Zach as the next bachelor? I think he wins. Zach. Not Tino?

Yeah. Wow. You think she doesn't pick Tino? I don't think she picks Tino. No. I think she picks Zach. Wait, why? Did you guys all see a spoiler orino? Yeah. Wow. You think she doesn't pick Tino? I don't think she picks Tino. No. I think she picks Zach. Wait, why? Did you guys all see the spoilers?

No. I just think she's obsessed with Tino. And I think their relationship. It is a realist for her. It reeks of typical. And I don't fault her for it. I decided I liked him night one. And no matter what happens, I'm going to figure out a way to convince myself this is the strongest relationship.

Like when she was, I mean, in fairness to Tino's parents, all right, tell me what you love about my son. He's just like. He's so positive. So positive. Giving blood. That's like the only dad I know. Which is nice. But then like parent number two is like, tell me what you think about my son.

So positive. He's just positive. He's a positive person. Like that is not the type of like adjectives and even his dad was like from what i've heard you still a lot to know about each other like he called it out because he probably knows his son he probably knows maybe his son when he gets in a bad mood how he acts or how how he how in ways he might feel insecure about things his ego was bruised when he had to stand through that rose ceremony. He was such a brat.

That's when I knew. I am. I didn't mind him there. I thought he was being bratty. He was being a little brat for sure. But I, I understood, I understood why he felt the way he did.

Yeah. I mean, I get it, but, but he definitely thinks he's a front runner, but for sure. But he kept being like, I did so good in that.

And that. Yeah. He was definitely bratty kept being like, I did so good in that. Yeah, he was definitely bratty. I just, I guess. Like, where did you do good? All you did was like. I lifted the cheese. Yeah. I just feel like he really took the bait of like, I think with on The Bachelorette, like the contestants will sometimes switch to like, man talking about it like it's a sporting

event type thing. He's like, I want to win. Like, he wants to win. And I think he really took the bait in terms of like switching to that kind of language of like, oh, well, like I'm a front runner and they're accomplished they're weirdly told and meant to believe that these silly activities they do and during the day matter i know it doesn't and it's ridiculous but that's what they believe when they're in this world when you're dating someone in real life though like the little things that they do like if you like

someone you know you like that person like they don't have to hand you a cup of water for you to be like he did so many things for me i sure that's a very we all agree that's kind of like the initial stages of liking someone and that's a very kind of youthful way of that's how we all liked people like early on in the playground so to speak or in high school it's just like i just like you i don't know like your face there's a i'm nervous around you whatever and that's what a lot of batch relationships are built on. But Tino's parents are like, yeah, but in engagement, I need you to like know each other. I want to feel comfortable. My son knows who he's proposing to. And these were fair questions. And Rachel didn't exactly do a good job of answering those questions. Like she said the right things. There were a lot of platitudes. It sounded nice. But if you really listen to what she said,

like I'm not convinced she knows Tino. I think she likes his face. I think she likes what he looks like. I think she imagined always ending up someone like Tino. I think he's charismatic. And in fairness to Rachel, like what else can she really trust anyways? Because she hasn't spent any time with these guys.

So I don't fault Rachel, but I don't fault Tino's parents. And I thought Rachel handled herself well in a very difficult situation, but I don't think she did a good job convincing Tino's parents that she really knows their son. The flip side of it, though, is like, you know, when someone you like is or like your friend is dating someone and you're like, what do you like about them? And they talk about like kind of their resume in terms of like, well, they're such a good person and they do this and like they do that. Like and they kind of list all these like characteristics and they have receipts and evidence for all of those.

But it's like, OK, yeah, you're talking about their many virtues, but like why do you like them? And I wonder. So if Rachel is sort of like that, there's just that intangible pull of like I want to be close to this person. And it's harder to put into words as opposed to the like I can say say that he is like, XYZ, all of these different things. She's in a tough spot, like Rachel, because like I would have, I was not exactly, I was not giving answers at all the time that the show liked in a sense, because I was always like, listen, I get this is crazy. And if I get to propose to your daughter, like we'll have a long way to go to get to know each other.

I could see myself reproposing, but like this is the world we're operating in kind of thing. I really care about her. I love her. I love what I know, but like, I am realistic about what we're getting into. And I would say this to parents and maybe Rachel had these conversations with parents and we just didn't see it. But like, at the same time, Rachel kind of came across as like, when her mom was like, you know, this isn't real. And she was like, quick to be like, no, it is real, you know? And and instead of like instead of like letting her mom like instead of validating to her mom that like yeah this can feed this this is a very unrealistic setting because that's ultimately her mom is right about saying this is unrealistic but rachel almost kind of a little like mini mini fight with tino's mom be like no it's real my feelings are real i feel

real feelings oh yeah when she said like this isn't real i'm just like well it is well it is i was like i kind of like that she said yeah i mean good for it's entertaining but i'm just saying like you're walking to someone's house you're in love with their son in love whatever bachelor world and like there there was definitely i think i don't falter for it but i if i'm playing devil's advocate i have empathy for his parents who like, it's their kid. They don't give a fuck about this show. You know,

they didn't sign up. Like that's good parents. I'm talking about like parents that care about the money. Yeah. You know, they definitely don't have Tino's like business plan and best in mind. And I think it is really fair, like that they were behaving in a way that was very much in protection of

their son. I just think it's, I think you can fault them a little bit for not having a tiny bit more empathy for the fact that this is someone who is in your home for the first time, who is like meeting you. I think you could have been a little bit more warm and welcoming. That's what I'm saying. They're not very nice. They could have been more warm and welcoming.

Because like you look at like Jason's family, like they were just so warm. Like Jason's dad bought they were just so warm. Jason's dad bought Gabby flowers. He wanted to be the best man at the wedding. He was like, I hope I can be your best man. The dad was so sweet. He was just so sweet. Where did Jason come from?

Why is he like that? What am I? For real. That guy hates Jason. Why do you hate Jason? I literally wrote, Jason is so hot. Very, very hot. He is hot. Empty shell of a person though.

I wrote that down. I think if you went on a date with Jason, you would be surprised. Oh, I would make out with him for sure. I would figure out why. I love him. I think he's hot. Jason is not willing to share everything about himself. On camera.

Here's what I think. There are some people who need to speak and show you. That's how, when they almost get nervous there's like an over. And that feels icky too. Diary of the mouth where Jason's more like I don't Jason doesn't need people's validation immediately. Maybe I just think he's hot and I'm like mad at him for not being like fun. Like I wanted him to be I want him to be different kind of I want him to be more open and like

talk together because I want them to end up together because they're both so hot like i think they should end up together looks wise i think he's gonna i think it's eric now i think it's eric and zach i think zach is the i think tino is the equivalent of luke pell from hannah brown maybe i just think she's gonna end up christian like i think she's i think. Actually, no. I want him on Paradise. I want Tino on Paradise. Would they have made it that definitively like, ooh, Rachel did bad at Tino's hometown though if he lost?

Because to me, it was like, oh, they're really emphasizing how bad this went for the redemption arc. They were emphasizing how well it went with that. It could go either way. And how well – because I feel like if Tino loses, you don't make it that black and white on hometowns. I do. Because if he loses,

this would be the reason why she sends him home. I think he has a meltdown. Fantasy suites, though. I feel like he's going to have a meltdown. Yeah. His ego. I think she should pick Zach. I don't think he will.

I think she does end up picking him after. If she doesn't pick him, what do you think of Zach as a bachelor? Because I can see that. No, boring. Boring, boring, boring. I think they're going to do it. I feel like it'll,

or an airy Becca thing where like she feels like she has to choose him. He chose Becca because he felt like he had to. I feel like the bachelors are more guilty of picking who they think they're supposed to pick. Did you do that? Yeah. You didn't have very much like strong condescension or anything.

Sorry. It had to be the one you proposed to like the entire time. Vanessa, right? Yeah. I mean, that's who I moved into for sure. It was the only one. Oh, wait. You had Rachel too.

Rachel, exceptional person. Yeah. There was never like, oh my God had rachel too racial exceptional person yeah there was never like oh my god is it gonna be like what karen yeah i was pretty locked in and vanessa the whole time are you mad at casting no okay i'm couldn't be happier with my life well now everything worked out but yeah i'm just saying i mean like at the time yeah I knew it I knew it Hannah Brown season was really good

they had a lot of good yeah Jojo had a good you know who should be like Bachelor Tyler Cameron no why he's

he's he's through the ceiling he can't come back down now actually he just broke up with his girlfriend first of all they can all come back down it wouldn't be a smart

business decision it would not go well for him I know I don't care. I'm going to watch it. Oh yeah. I mean, I would,

it would be fun to watch the, I want the girl, I want them to actually be into the bachelor. I could picture Tyler Cameron bachelor season being the all time best. Well, I don't know. The girls would hate each other. They should do a bachelor all stars where they pick like the one,

the biggest one that got away. What's that? What's that movie? What's that? What's that movie? What's that movie? Killing Jesse. Oh, the three girls killing Jesse. Say more about the movie.

The three girls team up against a guy. How to kill John. John Tucker must die. John Tucker must die. How to kill John Tucker. Killing Jesse. I just think he would come across as a massive fuck boy.

But the season would be amazing. Are you kidding? Yeah. Or just like someone really hot. If I'm Tyler, I wouldn't be The Bachelor. It would not go well for him. I don't know if he's a smart... I don't know.

I mean, he did say... I don't know. I feel like, what's he doing now? He just broke up with his girlfriend. Hottest girl of all time, Paige Lorenz. Hottest girl of all time. Hottest girl of all time. Why would they break up?

I think he's... Hottest girl of all time. I think. She's my friend, though. You're welcome, Paige. Lorenz. Hottest girl of all time. Hottest girl of all time. Why would they break up? I think he's- Hottest girl of all time? I think. She's my friend, though. You're welcome, Paige. But for real. Okay. I cannot believe they broke up.

Wait, they're friends. You're friends. Yeah. Tea? Yeah, there's tea. He broke up with her. He broke up with her and immediately did media that day. They were dating for like three weeks.

And she had just broken up with Morgan Wallen. I'm assuming he had media planned? Yeah. I just think that had media planned. Yeah. I just think that was a weird three week relationship. Have you looked it up? Tyler. Were the paparazzi photos staged?

Oh, I don't. Dude, I don't know. I love you, Paige. I don't know. She wouldn't tell me that. But I think that he might be in casting for The Bachelor because why did he break up with her

out of nowhere? Maybe he doesn't like her? Have you seen her? Yeah. But it's not just about that. Okay. Well, I don't know. All right.

So anyways, do you have any tea about Tyler and Paige? The reason I feel comfortable talking about this. But what do you know? All I know is that she was really into him the entire time. Like really into him. And I don't know if he felt the same way. I'm speculating though because I was on a close friend's story but I stopped reading they only dated for like three weeks to your point yeah

but I think they broke up out of nowhere though like everyone's confused is it out of nowhere if you've only been dating for three weeks yes that's usually the beginning of that's not when in a honeymoon phase well I mean I don't know how the relation started or if like but if you've only been on a few dates like were they exclusive at that point no they were

Instagram official how long were they hanging out well they were Instagram were they though yes okay yeah

why are you yelling at me because I'm passionate about this I was and again I'm not but I thought it was more like they had these pop photos

and that got leaked and then no she they posted together. They both did. Yeah, he did too. And then a week later, he was on a podcast being like, our relationship. We're going our separate ways. And then Paige commented and was like, this is weird.

Media. Weird. And I literally texted her and was like, congrats on dating Tyler. Like, that's awesome. And she was like, really happy. She was like, oh my God, thank you. I love you. Like, never mind. Well, Morgan's not going to watch this. Best upgrade She was like, oh my God, thank you. I love you. Never mind.

Well, Morgan's not going to watch this. Best upgrade of all time, she said, from Morgan Wallen. I mean, of course. That was a week before they broke up. Kind of weird. Yeah, I mean, the fact that they went Instagram official, I hear you because why go Instagram official if you're going to end it in a week?

I think he is the next Bachelor. What's he doing with his life right now? What is anyone doing from Bachelor Nation? What are we doing, guys? I mean, you're doing well. You have this. Sure. What's he doing?

I don't know. No one knows. Why are him and Matt not friends anymore? Does anyone know? I've heard things. Like what? Can you tell me? I don't know.

Yeah, also, didn't he, like, on that same interview, he was like, I don't know why everyone thinks we're not friends, and then he referred to Rachel as the old bullet chain. What? I didn't even it. Yeah, also, didn't he like, on that same interview, he was like, I don't know why everyone thinks we're not friends. And then he referred to Rachel as the old bullet chain. What? I didn't even see that part. It's like, you really want people to think we hate her. You hate her.

That good old love-hate relationship. Yeah, I don't know. They were only dating for three weeks. That is not the time most people break up. Maybe he felt like she was promoting their relationship too much. Or maybe he isn't talks to be the bachelor. Have you not seen those things? Do you think the only way that he would break up with Paige is?

Yeah. I just love her. She's so hot. I don't think he'll be the next bachelor. Why? He's going to ask for too much money or anything? I don't think they're all that interested anymore in having him be the bachelor. I think you are delusional if you think that.

Think about him as the bachelor. Everyone would be obsessed. If they really wanted him to be the bachelor, they'd make him the bachelor. It's like if ABC usually gets what they want in that scenario.

And if they had to toss him a little bit more money and to your point, what is he doing? Yeah. Like if they really want, you know what I'm saying? So like they must not

really want him. Well, we don't know yet. You't know who the next bachelor so you really think it's what zach i don't know i really don't know i think it's really a bit unclear and so since they don't seem to have any immediately strong options like nate went home last week he's already kind of old news there could be a paradise bachelor if things go the way I think they will and she ends up with Tino, I think Zach is going to be really heartbroken. And you've seen Zach. He seems like a really nice guy. He kind of looks the part.

You know, he's cute. His uncle's putty from Seinfeld. I don't know. Maybe you guys don't give a shit about that. Wow. That's really disappointing. I forgot that you're old. Either way, he's a legend. yeah um either way he's a legend

so I just feel like he's a little bit um boring for me I think they all should have like a little bit of a fuckboy edge to him they don't

what the bachelors ABC doesn't think so okay well I mean I was considered the bad boy I mean come on and I'm not

not even a fuckboy were you before your girlfriend I know you were never a fuck boy ever well i'm sure people considered me at times i was deaf i was always honest and very upfront and i didn't i saw your call her dad i didn't watch the whole thing but it sounded like in the beginning of your relationship you were a little bit fuck boy well it depends on what you i think everyone's a fuck boy until in the sense that

like fuck boy is more about how people are perceive you i think zach historically very much fits their mold of what they would like for a bachelor and i think he has a strong opportunity if rachel doesn't pick him because i think he will be incredibly heartbroken. He comes across as very sincere, very into the process, like he buys in. Opposite of Tyler. I look at Zach and I look at a guy who truly believes that he's in love and feels these strong, intense feelings. And he might have some useful immaturity too, but at least I believe that he believes it. With Tyler, I don't believe Tyler believes it. I think Tyler's just saying it. Yeah. I don't trust Tyler.

Yeah. Also, imagine his ego now like thinking, Tyler, you know? We're back to Tyler. I'm sorry. I can't stop thinking about Tyler. After all of that,

his ego is probably so high. So him being... How high about what? Because he thinks he's so hot. He is hot. I know, but I don't think he would fall in love with- Anyone?

On the show, no. I agree. He wants a PR. They would not cast people he's interested in. No. Yeah. But he would play along with it, I think. He would.

And then he would be exposed as a fuckboy. Yeah. It worked with Hannah. It wouldn't work as The Bachelor. It really worked with Hannah. That was a really good season was that was a really good season that was like a really amazing season

it worked because she was The Bachelorette and he was one of many and he was the underdog how did he not win that was crazy because Hannah probably didn't believe

in that relationship yeah remember when he was a dancer he was a dancer I remember you were really into Tyler

still maybe I I'm not Paige I'm not I'm not Yeah. Remember when he was a dancer? He was a dancer. I remember. You were really into Tyler. Still. Maybe I, I'm not Paige. I'm not, I'm not. What do we think next episode is going to look like? Because we got cut off with, before we got to see Aiden.

And so, do we think it's going to be, Is it fantasy suite next week? Is it? Do we think, do we think Gabby's going to eliminate anyone? Since she's already down to three? Like,

That's a good question. Will Gabby have... Or is it mental? Well, like Nick was saying earlier, it's going to be like Avin, Rose Ceremony, guys, mental. Mental, yeah, is my guess. We'll have to watch Avin,

and then we'll be... Oh, yeah, Avin. There'll be something to talk about for sure. Should we talk about Eric's hometown a little bit? Yeah. That's why I feel like Eric will either be the next bachelor

or she picks him. I think she's going to pick him. But if you're Gabby, I mean, she has to pick him because if not, you're kind of a dick. For keeping him there too. You have to send him home.

If you don't know he's 100% your person at this point, you're like, no, go spend time with your dad. Why would you keep him if it was even on? How come Jason

wanted to go home but Eric's not complaining about going home because maybe Eric really is more into it I know I think

I think I think they should end up together yeah I think they should do two Bachelor seasons two Bachelor

I want that only because they would fight I want to see that but like after watching the season you don't get to see any but like after watching the season you don't get to see any of the relationships like i don't care it's boring to watch them what make out for 20 minutes i don't care i don't need to know the contestants very much i can see

so what do you think is so boring about this season then it's just the boys are trying to be like too good of guys the entire time that's true remember. Remember JoJo's season? Mm-hmm. That one, Chad. Oh my God. I need some Chad. But you only get lucky with a Chad every so often. Yeah. You only get lucky

with like a violent man prone to outbursts. Or Luke Powell though. He was crazy too. But not on that season. Ah, you could tell he was crazy. Sure, but most people couldn't.

What? The whole storyline was that he was crazy at that. Luke? Luke Powell? What were you watching? Onannah brown season on hannah brown not luke pell is uh on jojo season luke parker parker sorry there's only room for one luke uh yes luke parker was an amazing villain that was like the best villain was luke Luke Pell the military one from JoJo's season? Yeah. Who ended up being like the biggest

fuckwave of all time. R.I.P. What's he doing right now? Literally nothing. Probably hooking up with random girls at the club. Going home, being like, doing drugs,

probably. Any other seasons you want to talk about? No, Eric's hometown. Yeah, I guess, I mean, sweet. I don't know. He better win. any other seasons you want to talk about uh no eric eric's hometown yeah i guess i mean sweet i don't know they're like he better with his mom about like commitment and how you don't give up on people and yeah i'm a little surprised that like why did they show those glimpses of eric

episode one now that like we think he's going to like why throw you off like why make him look like i'm yeah kind of a dick i saw that and i was like i was wrong like i was like yeah i kind of had like i kind of had that chillin child vibe you were going off what you were going off of yeah like you didn't get the context of like this is a guy who's like sacrificing so so much to be here so it makes sense if like his reactions to smaller things are a little bit he must win then maybe that's what they're trying to do yeah but i just seemed like why why why did they do that it was such an unnecessary beat on episode one to like what what happened episode one they showed this like you know like the it was like a hidden camera view and every time they show a hidden camera view

it like it mentally as a viewer tells you, you're not supposed to see this. You're spying on something you're not supposed to hear. And it was him just kind of being a baby about not getting the first impression. It wasn't really a big deal, but it just like... It kind of showed him in a... Like an unflattering... Yeah, kind of...

Setting him up to be the antagonist. Maybe a villain. Like, oh, this guy's going to... He's a little entitled. And now you're just like, well, how did you show that, ABC? I think they might not have known that he was going to win.

Yeah. By the time they put that episode together, they knew his dad was dying and they knew his dad had cancer. Maybe the editor just doesn't like him. I don't think the editor cares about the humans that are on the show they're just npcs they are jason's an npc so is zach i think zach

why i don't think he has like a backstory like but honestly that's kind of how i felt about suzy at first just from the show i was like she obviously looks so charming but she didn't seem super human to me like she just seemed like very like clean cut and lovely and then meeting her in person it was like oh my god she has an amazing sense of humor she's so fun and outgoing so I wonder girls are like the best like I like all like I like

the girls but the guys I'm like come on really yeah they don't have personality none of them I guess I just don't feel like I know what Zach's, like, sense of humor is. NPC. Just background characters. Nowadays, well, I think the guys are just trying not to be fuckboys. Mm-hmm.

I wonder if Zach was ever a fuckboy, though. No. What? You don't think? Well, last week he talked about how he was really struggling. He seems long-term. Oh, I forgot. Yeah.

Long-term girl. Okay, never mind. He does have a he was really struggling. He seems long term. Oh, I forgot. Yeah. Long term girl. Okay, never mind. He does have a backstory. I forgot. He talked about, you know, he said he lost some weight and it sounded like he was insecure about that. And it sounded like maybe. Sorry, Zach.

I completely forgot about that. So it sounded like Tina was being a fuck boy. Zach seemed to be, you know, working on his how he. Therapy, I forgot. How he wanted to be. Yeah, like his self-esteem. Yeah. However, he wanted to feel good about himself, he was working on that.

Zach's actually a great guy. I kind of like him. I forgot about last episode. I can't believe you guys don't know who Putty is. No. Seinfeld. You didn't watch Seinfeld. I know what Seinfeld is.

I don't know the characters and their names. Well, his uncle is one of the, he wasn't one of the main four characters, but he was one of the more prominent recurring guests. That's crazy that they didn't

like talk about it. Legendary. They referenced it, but. It was also like uncle at hometowns. It's like we never see it. Yeah. I was like,

is that putty? They didn't even like give a warning that he was. No, it just, but really, I mean, for me, it's super cool. Like, I want to talk to Zach about his uncle. Yeah, you should.

We should get his uncle to recap an episode. I wonder if he would. Are you going to have any people from this season on the show? We'll see about the ending. Do you, like... How do you decide? How am I... Why am I here?

Well, you're recapping. Okay, but like... As far as contestants yeah well one do you ever have them on to recap a show current seasons

they're not really allowed to do that or like a contestant from the past sometimes like you had like Bree and Kit on and Bree

Bree and Kit Wells Andrew and Greg they were great you should be the bachelor Greg should be the bachelor it's not gonna happen I know

I wish where else we got the one thing I would say a notable idea moment that I really appreciated was when Gabby was like Johnny's super hot

I know it he knows it you know it oh yeah we forgot about Johnny's hometown oh yeah well we did touch on it briefly

where I did think his dad I thought that was actually kind of a good discussion question of like when he was talking to Johnny about not feeling ready, he was like, how do you not feel ready? Emotionally, I think you are. Financially, you'll go down that road together. Which made me nervous.

Do you agree that? Well, nowadays, sure. You'll go down that road together. I'm like, is this man in debt? Like, what's happening? No, he was just saying like when my parents got together, people used to just get married, have kids and figure it out. Now it's like have your college tuition paid for before you have kids, you know? So it's just a different expectation going into relationships. And my guess is Johnny's dad is like having that mindset of like, listen,

if you love her and she loves you, you'll figure it out, you know? Also like you'll get to do some like swipe ups and make some like instagram money maybe johnny's dad has like done the research that tino's parents didn't do there we go and he's like you got nothing to worry about this is the perfect way to get rid of your credit card yeah yeah i think more in all seriousness i think it has more to do with a more like old school approach and quite frankly there's a lot of it makes a lot of sense i think we probably are a little too... Maybe part of the reason why people have a hard time meeting and settling down

is because we expect it all to be perfect before it starts kind of thing. Where back in the day it was... Yeah, the prerequisites are a lot. It's a much longer list of things our potential partners need to come with or have before we date them. And Johnny's dad is maybe just YOLO. I feel like we need to wrap up on a prediction. Oh, we've kind of done predictions.

I think that Tyler Cameron is the next Bachelor and Tino doesn't get chosen. If you think that Rachel and Tino get engaged, how long do you think they're going to last? Less than a year. Okay. Do you think Gabby and Eric would last?, how long do you think they're going to last? Less than a year. Okay. Do you think Gabby and Eric would last? I think they have a better shot.

Why? I think they do too. Well, because I think, again, it's not a criticism for Rachel, but yeah, I think she is caught up in the fairy tale aspect of being the bachelorette. I don't think Tino's parents are wrong about the questions they're asking her.

I think Rachel has incredible expectations of how she wants to be treated in order for her to be happy. And I think that takes a special person. I don't think it's Tino. I think it's more of a Zach. And so from a compatibility standpoint, I see some holes in their compatibility long term. But this is off of so little information. And Gabby comes across as a little bit more, you know, gonna think it through and then i'm gonna react well gabby's missing a mom basically like emotionally and eric is about to lose his dad so so maybe they can

trauma bond for a couple years yeah but i mean people always say that but like sometimes maybe no they're aware of it yeah you know maybe obviously Gabby is in tune and supportive of therapy I think she might be a great support system for Eric if she shows up with them and maybe they can work out

listen every bachelor relationship is like starting with the odds stacked against them it's incredibly hard is watching the show like really hard

to do together oh for the couples yeah yeah for sure I'd be so jealous well also

imagine if you're Tino and having her listening call Avon like you're the first person I think of when it's hard oh

well I that reminded me with Eric the one-on-one where Gabby was opening up about her mom

and like that was I couldn't remember why there was something about Eric that had made me count him as a little bit less competitive

and it was that one-on-one with Gabby where she was really upset and Eric, at least not, they portrayed it on the show. That does make a lot more sense. Oh my God. Yeah. That makes way more sense now.

But I, I don't know. I think editing, we know the power of it. And I saw some, I think it was a tick tock of like someone actually breaking it down, like frame by frame. And like, there was, there was chunks where you could see Eric's mouth moving, but there was no audio.

So it's like the theory was, no, he was actually saying stuff. He was comforting her, but it was not included. That's probably true. He was probably talking about his dad. They probably took it out. They took it out because they wanted the reveal for Hometowns. And that's why she like jumped on his lap. Remember?

Yeah. She was like, I feel so uncomfortable. They definitely probably took it out because they wanted the reveal for Hometowns. And that's why she jumped on his lap, remember? Yeah. She was like, I feel so uncomfortable. Yeah. They definitely probably took that out. And maybe it was for the reveal. And even if he didn't bring it up, maybe it was because, imagine the difficult position you're in if you're Eric. Abby's talking about her relationship with her mom or lack thereof.

And how do you try to show empathy while not trying to one-up her by being like, my dad's dying? Right. You're talking about how you feel broken because you're supposed to love your mom meanwhile i have this like very like heartbreaking like hero story like you want to listen to her and she's upset and like how do you comfort her and maybe she got upset yeah i mean like i think we can now say that the eric and gabby first one-on-, there's nothing we can take from it with any reliability. And what we know now about their hometowns makes a lot more sense given that we now understand what Eric's family is currently going through.

So another reminder while we recap and we have these opinions, like we just don't know who these people are. And maybe Sinead is the same. Maybe Sinead is the same. Might not be NPCs. Maybe Sinead's a saint. Sinead is not the same. How is that the takeaway? So Sinead could be a saint. That is never going to be the takeaway.

That's not the takeaway. Sinead is not a saint. She might be. Yeah, saints go around sharing mental health diagnoses nonstop. Gaslighting people in a hot tub. Not gaslighting.

Thanks for listening everyone Anyways thanks for listening Tune in tomorrow Ellie Zeiler joins us And we will talk about All the breakups in the Love is Blind community We'll also talk about Christine Leaving the cast of Selling Sunset We'll talk about Ben and J-Lo's wedding

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on TikTok oh my god I gotta compliment you guys that was the first one that was not true you've complimented me before I called you wonderful when you started the show

oh my god I forgot about that one anything else that's all I got just watch it back I was 40 minutes late. I'm so sorry. Thanks for listening, guys.

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