The Viall Files - E466 Bachelorette Recap w/ Lisa Schwartz & Natalie Joy

Episode Date: July 12, 2022

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Bachelorette Recap Edition! Today we are back as the Bachelorette season begins tonight! Nick and Natalie call in from their hotel in London because giving you the latest on Bachelor Nation drama and reacting to the premiere episode of The Bachelorette exists above all else. We bring on our guest, coming to you from the studio, YouTuber and actress, Lisa Schwartz. We kick things off discussing Katie going live and saying, “What tea do you want spilled?” Natalie reacts to getting sent a clip from a fan of Katie expressing that she blocked Nick on her phone. We talk about the last text Nick sent Katie, react to how Katie uses social media, and express how we’ve done nothing but try to give her a platform to help. We then get to the premiere episode of the Bachelorette with last season favorites, Gabby & Rachel. We talk about the validity of their claims of being best friends, how they’ll navigate 32 men, and where the biggest sources of drama will come from. We talk about how the new format of the show feels super refreshing, how the girls should navigate calling dibs, how a drag racer is stealing hearts, and how the twins are already packing their bags to go back home together. We also talk about the worst first impressions, how the First Impression Roses seem different this season, if there will really be enough time to get to know the guys, and our predictions for the final four.  “I was fine until she said Nick’s name!” Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes.  Pre-Order Nick’s Book: https://www.abramsbooks.com/product/dont-text-your-ex-happy-birthday_9781419755491/ Check out our new "Introvert" merch at http://www.viallfiles.com today! THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Catalina Crunch: Go to http://www.CatalinaCrunch.com/VIALL for 15% off your first order—plus FREE shipping. Episode Socials:  @viallfiles @nickviall @lisaschwartz @nnataliejjoy See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of The Vile Files Bachelorette Recap Edition. That's right. We are finally back to in-season, I suppose. And I'm coming from you. I'm coming for you? To you? I don't know.

Sexy. Ew. I'm off. My circadian rhythm is just like off. Nellie and I are coming from London. We're not from London. London, babes. What a mess. what a mess of an episode it's only gonna get better from here lisa swartz is back with us to kick off the premiere for you yes coming from

lisa is actually in studio wonderful we have ally and amanda in studio natalie was forced to watch the episode with me, and she is going to be with us also tomorrow on the episode of Going Deeper, and an amazing update on our visits to the Lake House. What's next? What happened? All the tea. We'll be covering that tomorrow.

Woo! Along with texting office hours and your latest pop culture topics. Next week, Blake Moynes is going to be with us to recap episode two. Tea! We have never had Blake

on the podcast, so now we do. A couple reminders, since it has been the off season for a while, we are recapping an edited TV show. We are going to have

a little bit of snark, but let's just remember these people are human beings. And, you know, let's not get overly critical. And if whatever we say, obviously we are commenting on what we see from the TV show. We don't know them as people. We haven't met them. We reserve the right to be wrong about these people. And we look forward to getting to know some of them. Also, before we get into Bachelor Tea, just a friendly reminder.

We only comment on things that people platform. You know, if they're going to put it out on their social, then we critique it. But we try not to respond to hearsay or rumors and things like that. Because we want to try to, you know, not to make anyone's life more difficult than it needs to be. But if people are going to talk about themselves or other people or the show, then we will, you we will give our thoughts on the accuracy of those statements.

I was like, that was beautiful, yeah. Was it? Yeah. You know, it's just like, we wanna have fun with this show, but it's just like, we like to set some ground rules, and it's just like, okay, we'll talk about tea, but we're not gonna like, there's so much stuff I know.

And it's just like, what do we decide to talk about or not? So it's just like, if people are gonna put it out there, if they're gonna comment to like, there's so much stuff I know. And it's just like, what do we decide to talk about or not? So it's just like, if people are going to put it out there, if they're going to comment, then, you know, it's fair game, so to speak. So, Allie, do you want to, should we just kick it off? Should we just jump right in? Okay, so. Coming for you.

I'm coming for you. With bachelor tea. I'm like nervous doing it from London. It's just like I've never done it this way. Take a shot every time Nick says London. You have to do it in an accent the whole time. We're in London. London babes.

London babes. All right. So the big, I feel like, kind of headline on everyone's mind is that Katie Thurston did a Q&A on Instagram where people can send in questions or what they want her to talk about. And a lot of people were sending in names of guys from her season of spill the tea on this or give us the behind the scenes.

So, for example, someone said Michael A. She said that he kissed a close friend of hers while her season was still airing. And despite her being engaged to Blake, she thought it was still too soon. despite her being engaged to Blake she thought it was still too soon okay wait I have a quick question Ellie what was the like box you know it's like Nick says ask I think it's the like Otto has asked me a question like some people do like let's chat or let's catch up like what was her box yeah so this one wasn't it like quite literally

a lot of them were just the guy's names so it says what tea do you want spilled and then that's when people were just like michael uh andrew i have such an issue with this i know this is not her first time doing it i believe it's her second time i don't know if she's done it well you had 12 days of messy immediately following her season. Okay, that's what I thought. And I'm just so confused as to why she continues to bring these guys into her life. Why are we still bringing them up? They have moved on. They have tried to forget about that. And you just get bored and decide that you want to rope everyone back in. And I think it's really weird.

Like, I have a really big issue with that. Yeah, it's not very nice. It's not very nice. Like, it's one thing to do it for yourself. And like, okay, I'll put myself out there. I'll drag the tea about myself. But yeah, you're right. Drag guys that have nothing to do with her anymore.

That was a long time ago. It's unprovoked. It's so unnecessary. That's interesting. For what reason? Well, and knowing like how it all works, like these guys clearly got anxious when they saw Katie was like talking about them

on her social. And it's just kind of this, like this bizarre thing to like, you know, the Michael thing. It's just like, wait, talk to your friend if there's an issue. I mean, like you know the michael thing it's just like wait talk to your friend if there's an issue i mean like you had what a handful of conversations with michael and then you're still dating a bunch of other guys but like you're gonna like air his like alleged dirty laundry his kiss at like a bar that's like why does that matter is that part part of it, though? Since like to be Nick, you would know this like in the bachelor world, bachelorette world

to be a part of it. And like that's kind of your relevancy, not yours. But you know what I'm saying? So like, does she need to keep those conversations going? Because that's the only conversations she thinks matters. I mean, that's I mean, that's how it comes across i guess like especially hosting this show right like i hear so much so much about everyone and nick doesn't say any of the tea that he knows about there's so much that i know and then like which is part of the reason why i

have this like rule it's just like if people want to put stuff out there for us to respond to, fine. But like I don't want to like airing people's laundry that I hear or how they've treated other people. Like I've heard some horror stories about my peers, you know, but it's just like I don't want to like put it all out there. And to Natalie's point, it's just like, why does she keep insisting on? It's like it's almost as if she feels like she has some sort of like ownership over these guys from her season. I don't know. No other lead is doing this. No one else is talking shit about the people on their season.

Why is she doing it? Like the Thomas one will always run me the wrong way. Like, did she? wrong way like did she wait what did she say that thomas got the short end of the stick during her season then she was like keep this in mind because i gave it to him i gave him a shirt yeah well she goes i've always said this that like you don't like kind of like a don't judge a book by its cover and it's like wait you always said this was this after you sent thomas home and gave him one of the cruelest goodbyes and arguably the history of the season where she like called his name only to get him to walk over and just completely roast

him and called him like cruel and mean and insensitive and we now know that was based off of nothing and then when i had her on my show and i gave her an opportunity to be like hey you know and it was like right after the airing of that episode and you guys were all there and i i tried to give her the out which i asked her she's like hey you know like we know as the leads that sometimes we're misinformed and we don't know everything and do you still feel that way and instead of like recognizing that maybe she was a little hard on thomas she doubles down and warns the like essentially the women of the world specifically the women going to paradise to watch out for thomas suggesting he was like some bad guy. And now all of a sudden, she's like, I mean, come on.

That is just bizarre in itself. And then what did she say about Andrew? She said that she had too much respect for Andrew's mom to bring him to hometowns. Okay. Like, did she meet Andrew's parents? How does she have too much? Like, did she meet Andrew's parents? How does she have to, like, where's the respect coming from? Yeah. She said, does she know that I had too much respect for Andrew's mama and sis to lie to them about how strong our connection was? While I definitely had feelings for him, ultimately I had stronger feels for others. Every mom wants to hear that

your connection with their son is the strongest and every lead has to awkwardly maneuver that conversation when feelings are stronger for someone else. mean i respect that right like i always get nervous when they go to hometowns and you could tell that they're not like that into it like that's hard for the family yeah but again back to your guys's initial point why are we still talking about it's like so many seasons ago but it also like is the tea that she didn't respect other people's parents? That's a good point. Good point. Of all the parents she didn't meet, she... And Andrew's one of my favorite people from Bachelor

Nation. I'm sure his mom deserves all our respect, but, like, I don't... What about Justin's parents? It's not really tea, you know, is the other thing. I feel like that's not really tea to me. I love all of these guys i've met all of them they're all great human beings but it really got me this is why nanny's

fired up yes it really got me when i get tagged in a cute little t reel on Instagram of Miss Katie Thurston speaking about Nick. And I watch it and I'm just very, very confused because she starts it off. Someone says, why does Nick Viall hate you? Or does Nick hate you or something? And she says, you or something. And she says, Nick Viall is blocked from my phone. Like, she has some sort of reason to block Nick. When I know for a fact that the only, like, Nick has only ever tried to help her and give her advice, which she's never taken. And so I am just confused as to why she felt the need to air that she has Nick's block. Is it because she is trying to protect herself from texting Nick things she shouldn't be saying? Nick, do you want to read the text, Nick? Why?

I think you should read the text because i think it gives clarity to her first question on this q a where she's asked about what was the first one like i think the question was did you know you were picking blake before quote the fight with greg is that what you're talking about yes yeah and she said nope i know y'all have opinions on the front runners but i had three strong connections for various reasons as the guys all offered something different i originally thought the clarity with little sparkly things would come after overnight's lie the lie detector that is a lie was a lie babe i think you should read the text. Read the text. I think she's platforming a lie,

and I think we need to show the truth. Well, only because it was the last text she ever sent me before apparently she blocked me. Which the whole conversation started because I tweeted something about an upcoming episode of hers and she texted me best TV question mark boo

laughing emoji face and then I gave my thoughts on the quick thoughts on the episode which she's very nice but the text that Natalie is referring to was you want me to read it?

all of our faces. Yeah, we're all like... The thing is, I know what the text is and I still want to hear it. I want to hear it again. Katie says, Ultimately,

my opinion on Greg doesn't matter. I knew before he left he wasn't the one. It was hard watching it back and always giving him

validation only for him to leave the way he did. But I knew even then that there was And then I wrote, well, it's good that you have clarity. As long as you're happy, that's what matters. And she hearted that message. So all I'm saying is she obviously, from this text text knew that it wasn't going to be Greg and then she went to AFR and pointed fingers at Greg and called him an actor and that this was the biggest performance of his life and Oscar whatever when she was the one obviously acting the entire time

it's giving clown behavior I'm not interested there we go I loved every moment don't come for my man I do not come for my man I love it the problem for me

I've known that the whole time you know and it's just like meanwhile Katie's posting on her social like posts about gaslighting and to Natalie's point like accusing Greg on national television at AFR as the lead with all the momentum and comes out and just flames him and this whole time she's like she allegedly knew that she wasn't going to pick him which if you go back and watch that episode now where Katie and Greg broke up and if you know that Katie knows she's not going to pick him like doesn't that change your entire perspective of that of that confrontation between them because if my memory serves me he was doubting Katie's sincerity about their relationship and it just feels like there's a lot of back and forth

even with like the Thomas of it all of like warning people about Thomas but now saying he has the short end of the stick like I'm like are we gonna hear a different side of Greg at some point is she gonna switch her opinion then so why aren't we just moving like why isn't she just moving on like let's just be done it's so confusing I'm like I can't remember any of this all right cereal people out there cereal theereal, the common cereals, full of sugar, not very healthy for you. But there are healthy alternatives, and we're talking about Catalina Crunch, the keto-friendly cereal. That's right, cereal that now is also good for you and delicious. Everybody says breakfast is the most important meal of the day.

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Well, try a variety pack. We all love a variety pack because all their flavors are great. Now just pick your favorite. And check out their delicious cookies and snack mixes while you're at it. Again, that's CatalinaCrunch.com slash V-I-A-L-L for 15% off your first order, plus free shipping. You know, with this show, right, and we to like hold ourselves accountable to these rules that we have. And I understand that sometimes there's people in Bachelor Nation who, who think we might be, you know, talking shit or whatever. But what always happens is that the majority, I think, of the people in Bachelor Nation don't listen to this podcast. I totally get why. And then there's always a couple audience members who are fans of them

who will be super defensive of them and will say something. And they'll reach out to these people and be like, did you know that Nick... They were talking shit on the podcast and it's just like, what? For example, the other week

when Michelle posted on her social about the response to like not wearing the ring and i think our general overall take was hey listen we don't know about this relationship they seem to be a very independent couple that might you know like who knows they could still that could be their choice. But history suggests that maybe there's trouble in paradise, I think was the ultimate takeaway. And a couple of Michelle and Nate Stans were just livid at us because we didn't necessarily believe in their love as much as they did, which is fine. But like, it's like, it's reactions like that. They'll like DM people and they don't listen to the show. They get all mad. And I'm assuming that's why, you know, like I think Katie's live, she responded to like some comment,

be like, well, Nick's, you know, saying X, Y, and Z. And Katie, I'm sure doesn't listen to the show and then gets all fired up. But I don't know. I don't get why some of my peers will get so sensitive about other people talking about them, but they'll do stuff like this. And it's just like,

Allie and Amanda and I will sit down before each show, and we sometimes will be like, we don't even wanna talk about this, but you guys keep bringing shit up, and they'll say either inaccurate things about the show or inaccurate things about like other people they're on the show with and it's just like oh just stop and we won't we won't critique it just like move forward onward i don't know i don't get it it's exhausting it's. I was fine until she spoke Nick's name.

And then I was like, okay. Wait, did she tag you in that TikTok? Or someone else tagged you? She didn't. No, so it was like some random account who posted it. And then a troll account tagged me. I was like, Natalie, it's fine. She's not really.

I was like, it's no big deal. Natalie was not having it. I would do the same if someone spoke about jeff mama's got uh now he's got some mama bear energy in in all of this in her many many posts i just thought one of the interesting things was john so katie's most recent ex posted on his story while she was spilling all this quote-unquote tea the guys. And it was this kind of like cartoon of this, I don't even know, a ghost slash killer thing going door to door. And there's like three doors open with blood coming out of them. And he tagged like Michael and all the other guys that were coming before him,

implying that he was going to be next. And then Katie reposted this to her story. And she said on the door that would have been John's, she said, at John Hersey dumped me. Oh. So we got- Was it because you were mean to other people for no reason? Maybe.

I love Natalie in this episode. I know. And then I guess the only thing that has people kind of like talking about it for no real reason, maybe someone else is going to get fired up on this one. I'm not. Someone said, send us the hottest tea you have. And she posted this photo of who everyone believes to think is Hannah Ann on a golf cart in Palm Springs. And she captioned it. Okay, maybe not the quote hottest tea, but I laugh at y'all thinking you know who this is. maybe not the quote hottest tea, but I laugh at y'all thinking, you know who this is. So then people started wondering if it was a bachelor producer, because there is a bachelor producer who looks very similar to Hannah Ann.

But Hannah Ann then commented on like a speculation video saying, LOL, that was literally two years ago. Where's the proof that it wasn't me? Claire Crawley weighed in and said, wait, I don't get it. After Hannah Ann.

I don't understand. The question is, is it Hannah Ann? I think it's like, but wait on a golf. I'm sorry. Maybe I'm get it. Why is she coming after Hannah Ann? I don't understand. The question is, is it Hannah Ann? I think it's like. But wait, on a golf. I'm sorry. Maybe I'm missing it. Doing what?

Just being driven around by a producer. Where? Where? Now? So it was in Palm Springs. This was before. Wasn't this before? It was before Tayshia took over for Claire.

So people were like, oh, did producers also potentially want Hannah Ann? Oh, that's an old story. Exactly. She loves these old stories. It was so long ago. This was before she was even on Matt's season. Correct. How is she even in the know of this information? So people are thinking either,

was it a producer that looked just like Hannah Ann? Now people are thinking, did people Photoshop Hannah Ann or do this photo op to hide the fact that Tayshia was coming in? Was it all a game? Sister needs some updated material. Send her to Paris.

Literally Hannah Ann's boyfriend commented saying Hannah is happy and has moved on. She has an agreement with ABC to prove it. It's all a big reach for something that truly doesn't matter. Literally. Does not matter. Unnecessary. Leave Thomas alone. Yeah.

Hashtag leave Thomas alone. Leave Thomas alone. New merch. Oh my gosh. The only other thing, if we want to touch on, Michelle and Nate have officially unfollowed each other on Instagram after their breakup.

Is it getting messy? Well, so the tags, so every time Nate would tag Michelle in a post, those are also gone, which makes people think that maybe Michelle blocked him because the tags are gone. You know how we feel about blocking. If you're doing it for your mental health,

like it's a positive thing and not necessarily. Oh, the person you're blocking. Maybe she just doesn't. I mean, I, Michelle seems seems you know heartbroken about this relationship and understandably so so i mean i don't know is it

even that much of tea that maybe she just doesn't want to see like what nate's up to or who he's hanging out with like maybe it's just helping her mental health i think it's very much about that because she also unfollowed she followed i, I guess, a couple like Bachelor Insider accounts. Yeah. And so she unfollowed them, but she actually took the time to DM this account and just said, quote, truly needing to take a large step back from all Bachelor Inside Scoop accounts as I need to protect slash find my peace. I wanted to reach out because I know unfollows can come across as a statement of dislike, but I want you to know that's not the case here. This account has made me feel so loved, and I will always appreciate your support.

I'll be back. So I think it's definitely just like, Classy. She's been classy this entire time. Yeah. Yeah. We wish her nothing but the best. Listen, we stand, Michelle.

And we'll see what happens with that 200K. She might want to start a foundation with it. They might split it. So is it her money? Does she get to keep them? It wasn't like tied to the purchase of a house? No. It sounds like when she talked about it, it sounds like they already

have it because she also said that she was crying on the phone with a producer asking if she could give it to someone else which makes me think she already has it. She was saying that it was given to the two of them as a couple so it's up to them to decide how to split it, she already has it. She was saying that it was given to the two of them as a couple. So it's up to them to decide, you know, how to split it,

how to spend it. She, her goal slash idea currently is to put it towards a foundation or to give back. She said she wants to like start doing the change that she's always been talking about, but I don't know. Is it,

she's so wonderful. She get a hundred K and he gets a hundred K and then who knows? Well, we, we wish them both the best. Yeah. Yeah. Especially Michelle. Not picking sides.

Is Tyler in love? Tyler? I mean, Tyler, this relationship thing has been kind of brewing for a while and he also was just in Kristen Cavalieri's Jewelry Line campaign. I watched that video. Where they did a whole video of them getting

married and all this other stuff. That's just a paid gig. That's just him trying to make a living. Yeah, no, totally. And even Kristen Cavallari was like, I did it for the buzz. And she was like, there is buzz. But he is dating a model, Paige Lorenz.

So wishing them all the best. I know a guy she used to date, actually. So that's just funny that. Do we know anything about Paige herself? Well, you know, it's just not really my tea to spill. I love that. See, she spills when it's time. She holds when it isn't.

We could all learn from you. Well, I hope Tyler's happy and in love. If that's who he wants to be with. And in conclusion, hashtag leave Thomas alone. Just leave. That's been your weekly Bachelor tea. Yes. You do not get to sound like

you're the Thomas defender after absolutely annihilating his reputation. He's married. Is that Becca's? He's engaged. Great. To the lovely and wonderful Becca. Wonderful.

All right. So should we finally get into the episode? Let's dive on in. Guys, I'm so excited. Thanks for having me for this. What were you expecting? Slash, was it different than you were expecting? Did you not have any expectations with it being like such a different season?

I'm always going into it being like, oh, no, here we go again. I can't believe I'm doing this again. Like, I'm doing this.. Like I'm doing this. Okay, I'm doing this. I loved it. I had so, I thought it was. I did too. It was so refreshing and like such a great like refresh of what it usually is.

I just thought it was one. I didn't know what to expect. Yeah. Really. I didn't really like watching the previews. I knew nothing other than it was the two of them. And thought it was so fun i'm really excited about the season i know that we've kind of like joked how abc's like selling us on the idea that they're best friends but i gotta say this premiere really like gabby and rachel made me believe that they are in fact

maybe you know becoming at least best friends like clearly this experience is bonding for them and like there seems to be a real like genuine camaraderie between the two of them which I think is it comes across as very charming and makes you want to root for both of them. Agreed although they are really pumping this idea

that they're best friends and will that break you know what I mean it's like it's a little heavy handed in that, but that's the shtick of this season. And I'm okay with that being the thing. Yeah. I mean, they gave a little tease in the preview, right? Like before the season kicked off,

there might be like some early friction. I think when the guys like start, like getting to know the women. That's what I was going to say though, is that they found a way to make the preview for this season like all women crying, even though it's The Bachelorette. That's true.

I felt like 90% of it was them both crying, and I was like, okay, you're all faithful, returning to your roots. That is funny. Lisa, did any of the men from their intro packages

stick out to you? We had a chance to kind of review their bios but since we haven't heard heard your insight like who were some of your early favorites early favorites i mean i definitely heard like picked some early villains which i guess we'll get into i mean tino right that's like that was very clear that they had that connection like right off the bat rachel called dibs like she you can tell like with Tino. She was like, yeah, first impression row.

She was just like, no, no, just no mine. Mine, mine, mine. Yeah, she laid it out. Her eyes like lit up. I also thought when Avon walked up to the two of them, it was interesting because I have heard through the grapevine that he's like potentially a front runner. because I have heard through the grapevine that he's like potentially a front runner. And it was interesting to watch the camera angles and the coverage when he walked up

because I don't even think we ever saw Gabby's face. And I think it was, it just kept going between Avon and like Rachel with kind of these like big eyes, like very excited about him, I think in particular. So it was interesting to watch even how they edited it

because I'm like, did Gabby even introduce herself? Because I feel like we missed that. But Gabbyby was that was the one where she gave them the thumbs up it was like nice work didn't uh Avin say that he was there for Rachel you're thinking of the race car guy who certainly said it potentially I think I feel like a couple of them said that yeah I do think actually a couple guys who said they're there for Rachel but I don't remember at least so far any of the men like saying that they were there for Gabby could I be wrong about that I'm not the race car guy who I really like

by the way I really liked him what a sweet guy like he have you know like he got he has a race car he's driving 300 miles per hour but he has this like very like soft and gentle like gentlemanly way about him and maybe it's like the juxtaposition of like thinking you know oh he would be like some kind of overly macho race car guy and like like you would expect him to maybe annoy you a little bit but he did like quite the opposite i really wanted him to get get rachel's first impression rose i suspected it was gonna be tino yeah she was just wanted to make sure like she called dibs on tino if that's all she did that night was to let everyone know that he's mine yeah that was like her only real goal do you think if he would have gone in for the kiss because she even said that when they were looking

at the race car do you think if he would have kissed her, there would have been a different person for Christian Rose? I really think that the whole night, Rachel was kind of low-key, wanting to make sure, like, I don't know how this is going to work. I don't know what the producers are going to do in terms of, like, how are we going to pick the guys? If there's one guy I want to get to know, it's Tino. Well, they both said at different times, I don't remember who the guys were,

but they said, that's my type. Yeah, and they made a point of us hearing that. Yeah, totally. Do we remember who those guys were? I marked it. Tino for sure.

Yeah, Jason, the investment banker who was the second to leave, Gabby said, he's my type. Spencer, who brought the chairs, Gabby says he's my type spencer oh yeah chairs gabby says he's her type and in an itm said i hope rachel's not into him that was stand out to me oh yeah yeah that's yeah and t and rachel's after seeing tino with the forklift rachel told gabby she is quote immediately attracted to him and that he's her type why don't i remember spencer what what did he he had the chairs so they could sit down.

But that was kind of it, right? We didn't see much of him. But Gabby said that he's her type and that she hoped Rachel wasn't into him. Pleasantly surprised with Ryan. I did not... He's very charming. Bostonian?

Big connection. Oh, my God. I thought he was going to get Gabby. I thought so, too. I thought... Yeah, and I thought their chemistry was beyond. I was like, it's it.

They were talking about boogers. The banter. Yeah, I loved the banter. He's like, shut the fuck up. Let me go. And I was like, this is where you go terribly well. He called her like gabbers. Yeah, he calls her gab.

Gabbers, gabbers. He calls her gab. Okay, so if he had gone in for the kiss. It was very smooth. Maybe. If he had kissed her, I think he had gone in for the kiss. It was very smooth. Maybe. If he had kissed her, I think he might have gotten it. He was the understudy. For sure.

Yeah. He was ready to go. Yeah, I liked him a lot. He also really looks like Jesse Palmer in his biopic. Doesn't he look exactly like him? Nick thinks he looks like Clayton. I thought he looked like Clayton. He looks like Clayton.

He does also look like Clayton. Who also looks like Clayton. I thought he looked like Clayton. He looks like Clayton. He does also look like Clayton. Who also looks like Jesse Palmer. Oh, I gotta say, I truly hated how the show, like, why are we throwing Clayton under the bus still? Oh my God. Like, completely unnecessary and overly mean. And like, Clayton sucks. Like, come on.

The kids singing, kids. I was like, oh, that choir though. No, I was so done. And you know, I feel like they added the music. So unnecessary, so mean of their former lead. They added that music in post. So you know it's just them going acapella in the middle of a driveway. It also had nothing to do with the guy.

You know, I thought, I was like, oh, he's going to be a choir teacher or something. And it was like, no, just brought these four kids along to sing this shitty song. You can't blame it on like, I'm sorry, like you can't blame that on the guys being like, oh, we were going to talk shit about Clayton. No, it was like clearly the show instigating it, certainly allowing it. And I don't like that they do that to their former leads. I understand that, you know know clayton did what he did in a season but like he gave them a very entertaining season he gave them two incredibly likable bachelorettes again like gabby and rachel deserve the credit for being likable who they are

like they deserve the credit for being likable but clayton's fuck up allowed gabby and rachel to shine the way they did and i just thinkton's fuck up allowed gabby and rachel to shine the way they did and i just think it's like four months later unnecessary to like throw him onto the bus the way they did on a national television show when he's moved on he's in a incredibly loving relationship with a wonderful person suzy and this show is ultimately supposed to be about like finding love and relationships and that's what Clayton was able to do and now they have two wonderful compelling bachelorettes and it's just like why do we need to like bring a bunch of kids out and say he sucks 10 times their their breakup

isn't the interesting thing about them at all like like you're saying those two women like stand on their own I almost kind of forgot about the whole Clayton thing until they kept singing about it. The sound bites also that they played at the very beginning where I was like, damn, I forgot how good both an articulate, both Gabby and Rachel were. When Rachel was like, you never fought for me. And then Gabby's like, no, the difference is that

it would have been my choice to walk away. I was like, this really did set the stage where we got to see women in absolute crisis how will it handle it so well since we're uh shitting on the show right now like what the fuck was that um call to action for more submissions i got it oh my god i wrote that down what the heck yeah your boyfriend's a loser everyone knows it dump his ass and apply at bachelor.com did someone in casting get their heart broken and absolutely just hates men right now? And they're just like, fuck it.

Your boyfriend's a loser. What is going on in casting? Jaw-dropping, honestly. That is bonkers to me. They're like, connect with Gen Z women. Dump his ass. Dump his ass. But it's like, not only is your boyfriend

a loser everyone knows it it's like everyone's just like I feel like I feel like it's kind of similar to like the video you showed me

of Joe Biden reading the the teleprompter and he's like repeat the line end quote like I feel like that was just

Jesse Palmer reading his script that someone didn't mean to put up there I love Jesse doing a great job, but he's definitely not the person to read that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's like, you need Caitlyn, maybe. Right? Yeah, bring Caitlyn back. Have one of the Bachelorettes do it. Totally. Yeah, like, I mean, Jesse was probably reading that being like, you want, what the fuck do you guys want me to read? Or he, like, did it as a joke, and they're like,

we're keeping it. He was so sick of doing the same read over and over that he just threw them something new. Honestly, I believe that. That's believable. That's possible. Maybe he was just having fun with it and they were just like, should we do that? Let's try something new.

That would be funny then. It caught all of our attention. It certainly caught our attention. How bizarre. I had to pause it afterwards and be like what did you just say that bizarre my other question is like they are playing this whole game of like we don't know how this is going to go and production doesn't know how like nobody knows how this is going to go do you guys think that's real it makes me extremely nervous like the girls will figure it out jesse's like i don't know how this will go that's like his opening line do you think that's real in terms of format and overall no yes yes and no and no obviously

because clearly the producers have some sort of plan, right? Like that's, they have some sort of plan. But I will say, like, and I've said this many times before, what the show is best at doing and what the producers are truly great at doing is adapting on the fly. And so they have a plan for sure. that does that mean that plan set in stone does that mean that plan can change it all those things are true so like i i do think you know they they decided to have two bachelorettes at the very last minute right so they decided to have two

bachelorettes when they spent all this time from a production standpoint planning for one Bachelorette. And given how this season unfolded and the overall just like love for both of these women, they decided to change it up. And even from that standpoint, they're just like, we'll figure it out. So there definitely is a, we'll figure it out, but they clearly have some sort of plan. Now, do Rachel and Gabby know that plan? Probably not. Does Jesse Palmer know that plan? Maybe not either. I mean, he just kind of shows up and they're like, you know, he just kind of follows the directions they give him and he does his beats. But I mean, Jesse's certainly not in production meetings, is my guess, in terms of how they're deciding how this show goes. So I think there's probably a little bit of truth to these women not knowing how it's

all going to play out. And even Jesse, to that point, now there's other people who might, but it actually doesn't surprise me that they might not know. That's kind of fun. Because when they started, they broke away and they're in the cocktail hour. They broke away to talk individually. But first they were doing it together and it was so awkward and I hated every second of it. I was like, is this what the show is going to be where they double date the whole time? That was. So I wonder if they thought at first that's how they should do it. And then they're like, this isn't.

Yeah. Post magic show. They're like, we're out. Post Roby. Roby and the twins. Two interesting people to start with three I guess you guys it's so sad

that was so sad oh my god when I saw the twins getting sent home it made me feel bad that like we called them cocaine users

last week is that what you guys said about them okay no I was joking because their bio was like, oh, we like long nights out in New York.

It was just a lighthearted joke. It was not an honest accusation. The way Nick just said it sounded like. Yeah. It was just a tease. They're also so young, though. They look like teenagers. A 24-year-old boy is basically 16 in in my mind and the way one of them was describing

the other where he's like he's much more intense and i and it was like really yeah weird it was weird no the best was i mean when we were in college i could see him coming from miles away and i was like that's just physically impossible you don't then he asked gabby and rachel if they feel the same she's like well we didn't come from the same room oh sweet babies i feel like they were just so uncomfortable i felt bad for him even the magician i thought he was super sweet and i just wanted to like give him a hug i was like yeah there's someone out there even from when he got out of the limo though their faces were not necessarily into it into into the magic. He also did that weird little gesture after he did his trick in front of the boys

where he cracks his knuckles and snaps. It was really endearing and really cringe. For someone, it's going to be super beautiful and super magical, and I hope he finds love. I hope he goes to paradise. Does magic work with anyone? I'm asking this in genuine curiosity. and super magical and I hope he finds love. I hope he goes to paradise. Does magic work with anyone? I'm asking this in genuine curiosity.

Are there people for whom magic is a panic dropper? Only from David Blaine. Everyone has something. Like David Blaine is hot when he does magic. Or like what's the guy

who used to do Cupcake Wars? He has his own show now. He does magic too and he's kind of hot. Anyone? He has his own show now. He does magic too, and he's kind of hot. Anyone? He has his own Netflix show. Cupcake Wars. Chris Angel.

Anyone? Anyone watch Cupcake Wars? Magician. Lisa, you talked about you have some villain picks. Yeah, because one of them reminds me of a guy I dated, and I saw right through it, and that's Eric. I knew you were going to say it. The tie.

I dated. The tie. He played it so cool he was so cool so smooth and comfortable which isn't to say he's bad that's wonderful he made the girls feel really comfortable i just feel like he has this like accent this okay guys i think i'm just talking about my ex but like he has this like air about him that like it feels a little put on. And also it's difficult, right? Because I do feel like the guys should have the opportunity to meet like to meet and get to know both girls. It was the way he felt so entitled to a first impression, Rose.

Yeah, that might have been it. And like he's going to kiss both girls and he's convinced like he got this in the bag. Again, like it's a fine line right now. We don't know. It's either confidence or he's a dick. Yeah, there's a fine line right now we don't know it's either confidence or he's a dick yeah there's a fine line between confident it's interesting with him because at first i noticed like when when the two women walked in to give their initial speech they kept showing eric's face like that's always like from an editing standpoint you are you you can tell who are going to be some like main figures of like who in those

split seconds they kind of show airtime to it's not always the case and so i kind of clocked that and honestly for a second i eric like in the first half of the episode eric was like my early like wild card future bachelor because you know he's very good looking he is charming he you know seemed very comfortable he can communicate with both rachel and gabby but as the episode went on i picked up on the same thing that lisa picked on which is like whether it's whether it's him doing it or the show wants you to think they definitely highlighted this overconfidence that he seems to have. It was just like, is there anything wrong with him wanting to maybe kiss both women?

Not necessarily, but he's really the only one of the men that they showed that, right? So that to me, that tells us something. Does it tell us, I don't know yet? It's never good news for you, the cast person, when they show like that aerial shot that almost looks like you're a fly on the wall type of thing.

And that kind of gives the audience a sense of like, you're spying on this person. And it's usually like some sort of unflattering remark. And he kind of looked like he was, you know, pouting about like not either being he said

Rachel or Gabby yeah that's right there was a quote from him said I'm kind of pissed to be honest and it's like I think it's one thing to be disappointed it's a very different thing to be pissed and it was the way he like you know when we talk about sparky people on ask Nick and like this idea that there's some people who are just really charismatic like he to me felt like the definition of someone who's really good at creating a spark I mean you feel comfortable putting his arm around you. But then it's not. You saw the second he experienced disappointment the way that was very unbecoming on him. Yeah. I mean, listen, I'm quick not to overall judge like who he is.

But like one thing is for sure that Eric is definitely going to be around. And he seems like an early front runner to be the show's villain like i can see him rubbing some of the guys the wrong way what about logan though i was just gonna say both of them yeah what are your thoughts on logan he has a lot of vo or what's the what's it called when they get like their itm yeah he's he's it i mean a lot like i feel like he's narrating a lot this episode. He's very charming. I thought the two chicks were very playful and fun. He seems easy to talk to,

which is always the best currency you can have in that world just to come in with something to say or just be easy to talk to. Everyone's stressed in that environment, especially the leads. And if you're someone who's willing and easy to talk to. Like everyone's stressed in that environment, especially the leads. And if you're someone who's willing and easy to talk to and like drive a conversation, that takes off so much pressure from the lead

that they just love talking. They love sitting down with someone who's like gonna carry the conversation because it's so hard for them to start. And they're like, the lead's always trying to like make everyone feel not nervous. When you have someone like making them feel a little less nervous it goes a long way so i could see him being around for a while did you guys feel like he was a little parent like he he felt really paranoid to me like or like he was like really tick really anxious and like

if things didn't go exactly as he wanted, he seemed nervous. So I wonder if he's going to be like the nervous guy. Yeah, like the overthinker of the season. He needs the validation from them. No, Logan, I thought. About Logan? Oh. Yeah. Also, can we talk about the chick names?

Mary Beth and Alejandra. That was so random. Those are the best possible names he could have had for two chicks. I do like the chicks. That one chick was shitting the whole time. Why didn't they acknowledge that? That's so gross.

I think he said the chick just shitted my hand. Oh, he did? Okay. Only at one point though. It's like all I could see. I loved it. What did we think about when Jacob brought a list of attributes that he wanted in like a wife or a partner and then like read it off to Gabby?

Which one's Jacob? That was weird. Jacob came in shirtless and said, I didn't choose this life. Oh, we haven't talked about him this life. It chose me. Ew. Yeah, I did not love him. And then like she takes care of her physical.

Appearance. Yeah. That's a bold thing to say. It's a bold thing to say on The Bachelorette. It's just on her first date. It's a bold thing. Yeah. Just like, just so you know, I'm into fitness.

And you need to be, too. Yeah, don't get complacent when you feel loved. How about Hayden? Hayden is real cute. Hayden with the birthday card for Rachel. And the accent. The accent. The only thing I didn't like about him was his head joke.

Oh, yeah. He made a head joke. Yeah. Guys. That was bad. That was bad. It's very visceral. He was going to use his.

Unlike Clayton, I'm going to use this head, not this head. Ooh, why did they put that in? Negative three points for him for that. Yeah, a few to ten, but... Yeah, that's exactly right. Cute accent, though. Yeah, I feel like he'll be around for a while. I mean, that really was this episode, right?

Well, Mario... We're just trying to get to know the guys. Oh, yeah, Mario got the first impression from Gabby. I mean, that really was this episode, right? Well, Mario. We're just trying to get to know the guys. Oh, yeah. Mario got the first impression from Gabby. I mean. I like him. I was surprised by that.

We didn't see that much of him. Just the kiss and she was leaning in for that kiss. And she kept going back for more. Yeah, she was like, finally,

some goddamn action. Yeah. Right? I mean, that's the thing. Maybe they just kind of edited out the best part

of their conversations because they wanted to show the kiss, but it seemed like the kiss kind of came out of nowhere. I doubt that it did. Totally. Clearly, they might have not shown everything about that conversation. Because you're right, I agree with Allie.

It just was like, oh, okay. And that was it. Even his intro, we got to see him for a second in his intro and he was dancing out of the limo, which I was like, oh, he's really fun. And that was it. You didn't see we got to see him for a second in his intro and he was dancing out of the limo, which I was like, oh, he's really fun. And that was it. You didn't see anything else of him.

Who is Mark? Right, yeah. They didn't really, exactly. I really expected they would highlight, I expected they would highlight more of the men, but maybe it's just they have so much to cover and I think that's going to be a downside of the season. That's my fear for this season.

I think there are going to be a lot of compelling and interesting elements to it, but I think they're going to be a lot of compelling and interesting elements to it but I think there's gonna be a lot of moments where we're just like wait we're close to hometowns and like who you know we always feel that every season like who are these guys etc etc but like I'm afraid that Rachel and Gabby both at times are going to be talking about these connections with some of these guys and we're just going to be like huh like there's going to be you know with Katie with some of these guys, and we're just going to be like, huh? Like, there's going to be, you know, with Katie and Justin, there was like, we were always wondering how,

where's this connection? Why aren't we seeing it? And I'm afraid there's going to be too many of those because there's just not enough time to show all this stuff. I hope I'm wrong. Well, I feel like the banter between Mario and Gabby once she gave him the impression rose,

and he was kind of like, okay, thanks, bye. And they had a cute little moment. I think that showed just like how comfortable that they obviously had gotten in their previous conversation. Yeah. Yeah.

We didn't see much of Quincy, the life coach. Prince. Prince. I did not like him. How earnestly Rachel was like, okay, Prince. Mm-hmm. He strikes me as an F boy

like the second he got out of the limo and he just was like he just swore at the both of them I was like get out go back in the car

and drive away he made a sex face he said it's been a year and a half since I've had sex that was this man what was that that was

yeah that's right he came out and went shit yeah and then he's like i've been like saving myself i really grew a lot and then he says it's like okay i'm sorry but like from someone who grew up catholic when he's like i've been like really like saving myself and abstaining from sex and then he says a year and a half like boohoo so is the rest of america it's been a pandemic it's a cold streak a dry spell yeah i think that's right and a year and a half so specific.

Yeah. 18 months. It's also like imagine if that were the dating convention that like when you were meeting someone for the first time

you had to like reveal how long since your last sexual partner had been insane and unhinged. What a nightmare. Like he said it as if

like we were supposed to like applaud him for this like abstaining or it's just like you brave brave boy. Yeah.

No way. A year and a half? Like, are you okay? Yeah. You're a saint. You're a literal saint. And then what did Gabby say after that though?

Like when he walked away, Gabby was like, you're talking to the wrong man or something. Yeah. Okay. So he said, immediately swore when he got out of the limo,

hasn't had sex in a year and a half. Gabby said, that makes one of us. Yeah. Okay, so he said, immediately swore when he got out of the limo, hasn't had sex in a year and a half. Gabby said, that makes one of us. And Rachel said, do you know who you're talking to? Two women who famously just had sex with the same person. Oh my gosh.

I did love the ending though. What'd you guys think? Yeah, the no rose ceremony. Except for the fact that they called out three people only. Like that was sad I feel bad for those three guys but I guess if you know you know

don't lead them on well that's what Jesse was sort of pushing for I mean Gabby literally said quote it ain't it regarding the twins if she knows it ain't it why are we keeping Brandon in the blue suit he pulled that down and it showed Brandon's face.

I was like, whoa. I know, hot. He's so cute. Yeah, cute. I think there's a lot of good looking men this season. Yeah, I was put off by their photos when I first saw them. I agree with you. Some of them look so much better in real life.

Even Jordan, the drag racer, he's so much cuter in real life. Yeah, I love that he was like, I'm a professional race car driver and then the chyron was like, drag racer, he's so much cuter in real life. Yeah, I love that he was like, I'm a professional race car driver. And then the chyron was like, drag racer. I really like him. I hope he sticks around. I also liked John when he screwed up their names. Yeah.

Kind of endearing where he's like, well, you know, it's like maybe not a good impression, but it's an impression. Like, he was sweet. I don't know if either of them are into him, but I feel like he's just going to be around for a while and be like a, kind of like an underdog fan favorite. Yeah. Yeah.

The English teacher. It kind of gave me Ben Higgins vibe. Johnny's cute also. The one who freestyle rapped? Yeah, that was cringe. That was really hard to listen to. Absolutely not. Natalie's like,

I can obviously do better. If you just plug your ears and look at him, it's better. Yeah, that was cringe that was really hard to listen to plug your ears and look at him it's better yeah that was that was rough did we talk about jordan h the guy who put the silencing headphones on they weren't silencing though they were just normal they heard them yeah i thought that was cute though i thought that was good he's cute he had his he was the first with Rachel alone. Oh, yeah. Well, because then they had the conversation. He was like, well, I don't know if you heard, but I told Gabby. She's like, oh, I heard.

Yeah. She's like, I heard everything. He did take a risk, though. If they would have had different hairstyles, that might not have gone very well in his favor with the headphones. I was a little surprised that they didn't elicit really any drama from this first episode you know it was

like it was sweet and it was nice and it was like it's good to be back on air and it's good to see Gabby and Rachel again but I was I thought there was maybe going to be a little bit with um Chris when we went through the bios he's the mentality coach we thought he had Carl vibes and there was a few shots of him coming out of the mansion and like looking at the other guys and giving his opinions so i thought maybe he would start stirring the pot a little bit but even he didn't really bring a ton to the table no it was like they've really it was a pretty vanilla first episode like we were back in the day where like episode one you know obviously you'd have your like drunk blackout yeah yeah

yeah there's two like well-behaved men so far i mean i'm assuming eventually that will change but it was a it was pretty mellow i wonder if some of that's the inherent drama of like it seems like they were really trying to hit the we haven't been kissed by men why aren't they kissing us and will we like the same guy like it seems like they were kind of using the format of this season in particular as kind of the go-to, like, cliffhangers. I feel like maybe next episode will be the only episode where we kind of see the, like,

potentially one guy kiss two bachelorettes. I'm really curious how they're gonna, how they're gonna frame that like is that where they get like an early villain by like kind of coming across as a fuck boy for like going to one bachelorette and then what if one guy switches like really late in the game well do you think that's possible yeah yeah yeah and we also we did see that i think it probably was a bit earlier but meatball guy was shown in the like supercut saying i can't accept this rose because i'm here for i think

it was gabby gabby but also i found that so interesting because he it's his name is james he came out with this meatball stuff he's like my friends call me meatball but in again in that super t or like the supercut whatever it's called rachel says meatball will you accept this rose like they start calling him meatball gross you know but everyone loves a nickname on the show it's just stick how long does that do you just say it in the

bedroom like I'm confused but also like how gross does that meatball sandwich look oh but then Ryan the guy from Boston he's eating it I love that that's polite if someone brings food you know disgusting and what what was gabby saying was she talking to eric when she was talking about how she doesn't like a man who grooms his chest hair yeah they were talking about how uncomfortable it was to shave chest hair and then she was saying

just let it be natural and then he he was like, did you shave yours? Can I see? Did he say that? Yeah. Yeah, but it was a joke. It wasn't like, it didn't go over poorly. They talked about like,

her hair extensions. They got real, they got a lot of stuff. I really liked their conversation. I thought it was really cute. Oh, when Gabby was like, yeah, I have fake hair, but men are stupid.

Boys are stupid, they don't know. That was pretty funny. I love her. I think she's fabulous. Spectacular television. Yeah, but men are stupid. Boys are stupid, they don't know. I love her. I think she's fabulous. Spectacular television. Yeah, she's so great. She has very good comedic timing.

Yeah, she's hysterical. She was able to say that. It didn't come across as mean towards men. Yeah. I think because she said boys are dumb. Yeah, I think it's because she said boys. It was playful. I liked that.

It was also when the choir came out and was singing, and they were like, I hope you're not feeling too down. She was like, never. Like, she was just like, she just, like, was always in there with, like, a fun comment or joke. And, like, even with the twins, when it was clearly so awkward,

she just was like, so, can you guys read each other's minds? Like, she just always cuts to a chase. Yeah, she's fun. I like her. Like, I want to hang out with her. She's cool. I do, too.

And that dress. Yeah. And then Rachel, I think, was also, like, fun. I like her. Like, I want to hang out with her. She's cool. I do too. And that dress. Yeah. And then Rachel, I think, was also, like, fun for different reasons. Like, was super earnest. Like, asked so many questions. Was, like, so clearly, like, intent on getting to know people. Rachel gives good hugs. I saw that right away.

She was very, yeah, good hugger. And her eyebrows looked amazing. I couldn't stop looking at them. My only critique of Rachel this episode is when they were talking about types and she's like, um, tall and athletic and I'm just like... And sometimes funny.

That was insane though when she said a quote from Rachel, I've never really dated a guy who's made me laugh. Correct. To me that felt like a bonkers thing to experience. Some guys just aren't, like, yeah, some guys just, it's not a strong suit. Well, maybe if she's, like, always going after only tall and athletic guys, you know, like maybe. If they don't have any insecurities, how are they supposed to be humorous?

Amen. Yeah. You got to do your time. Yeah. I wonder if this will be the first time that she dates someone who makes her laugh. Was Tino funny? I don't remember. I feel like they were laughing a lot.

I don't know. I didn't get a belly laugh. No, she definitely wasn't belly laughing, but I think there was that connection and comfortableness to be able to laugh well i think i mean rachel's just kind of she seems like you know the more of the traditional like fairy tale ending kind of you know she has this kind of picturesque idea of a relationship and i suspect like rachel might fall faster than gabby you know i think i think rachel's more of a romance. Yeah. Like, and where Gabby feels like she's a little more hesitant and skeptical.

You know, we'll see if that plays out, but I think, I mean, that's, what if Tino flips? Oh my God. What if they're setting that up?

I hope not. I mean, yeah. Tino took her to the stairs. He can't take Gabby to the stairs. They don't have the same meaning. We're going to need some juice. I mean, like.

Yeah, something has to. This was a very, like, very mellow episode one. Like, the biggest thing was the three going, right? There's really no drama. I kind of feel like Eric has the capability to be a villain. I also, sadly, I hate to say this because he is one of my favorites, but Ryan, I feel like he definitely can have a little like

Northeastern Jersey, where is he from? Boston. Boston. It was fun that he kind of like automatically had that banter with Gabby and he was like, Gab, Gab, but it's also like that might also be a slight red flag if you're that comfortable like shushing and like controlling the whole situation on night one.

Got it. Good call. It could go either way. It could go either way. But yeah, I mean, that's the thing. Like usually the people who could be the fan favorites and the most charismatic could just as easily be the villain. It all depends on like where they fall

in terms of the lead's favorites. Like if you're like the lead's third or fourth favorite, then you're collateral damage. You can definitely be made a villain. Guys, we didn't see anything from Tyler. My Jonathan Taylor Thomas lookalike. Like a little baby face. We also didn't really see much of Nate either.

I was excited to see him. But he was in the preview a ton. Wait, who was? Nate? Someone. Nate. Yeah, he was. He was the one who he was in the preview a ton. Wait, who was? Nate? Someone. Nate. Yeah, he was. He was the one who had the pillow with both of them.

He's cute. Yeah. Oh, Nate's very attractive. He's really bringing the jewelry. He's cuter in real life than this. These pictures are not. Tremaine with the mic drop. Like, I'm just, there's a lot of. That was the most uncomfortable entrance for no reason.

When he just placed the mic in their hand. And Gabby was like, mic drop? And he just like placed the mic in their hand and gabby was like mic drop and he was like yeah yeah that was yeah that did not land abc was like don't you dare damage our equipment hand it do not put that on the driveway uh zach was first out right is there something always about the first out he forgot to introduce his name but he forgot to introduce himself. So he just was like, I'm the luckiest guy. This is right though, but the fact that he was aired

as the first limo exit usually is good news for that person. Not always. He was really nice, like really composed, kind of just like, he's like, I'm a hugger. He's that guy, you know? But then like but completely disappeared yeah uh we had the football coach how do people what do people make of the

pep talk moment i feel like they are gonna juice the shit out of that that's exactly it i think he's gone week three totally yeah the football coach gave the football speech within the first five minutes of his his being on the show and it seems like that might be it. All he's got. Unless he gets to go on a competitive group date where they're in teams and like in a locker room. That's right. Why

did Jason not button his top button on his button up shirt? Should we ask him? That is my one question. I just want to know what Eric, why Eric's tie kept getting looser and looser. Because Gabby tied it. They didn't tie it correctly. I thought it was cute.

It's like he was trying to look messy while cute at the same time. I think he, yes, I think he has this, like, he's trying to put on this persona. I hope we're wrong. I would have loved, and I say this not being able to do it myself, but I would have loved if he's like, does anyone know how to tie a tie? And if one of them would have loved, and I say this not being able to do it myself, but I would have loved if he's like,

does anyone know how to tie a tie? And if one of them would have taken it like guys do for each other, put it around their own neck, done it perfectly, taken it off and shoved it back. Like that would have been such a power move. Does everyone know how to tie a tie in this room?

Here's a little behind the scenes. Most, in my experience, most of the men on the show do not. Really? Who does it for them? Producers? One person. There's always like one or two guys who know how

and the thing Allie suggested. It's like girls on a trip, one person knows how to braid and they have a station. A station. You can do a wing eyeliner. I have one of the designated tie tires. Curl the back.

I'm both seasons. How about Colin? He came out and he was like, feel this? Husband material. Oh, yeah. He was kind of cute. He kind of disappeared. Yeah. So many guys. 32, right? So many guys. Too many. There's the barefoot

man. The barefoot guy? I mean, attractive. I don't know. He but also just kind of gross yes I was like why do you want the one thing that people notice about you

is that you're not wearing shoes yeah like putting your bare feet on national television is a really maybe as an OnlyFans maybe as a free feet content

that's a good point it's not as easy as it looks it's a whole business desperate times sometimes guys I'm like feet like feet pics and feet videos It's a whole business. Desperate times sometimes, guys. I'm like...

Feet. Like, feet pics and feet videos. It's a saturated market these days. Are you into this, Allie? Is this... Well, I was... My friend and I were, like, thinking, we're like,

that would be a great way to make some passive income. Not as easy as it looks. Really? Nope. Being a foot model? We lost money. You lost money?

Wait a second. Way to bury the lead. What? You tried? Yeah, here's your episode one drama. Allie, tell us more. Well, no, we were just like, oh, this will be super funny. So we went and got like super expensive pedicures.

And while we were getting our pedicures, we're like, we have the ugliest feet known to man. Why are we doing this? And then we went home and started drinking. And then we took videos and photos of each other's feet and it didn't go anywhere. We never made a dollar. Did you put them up somewhere? You have to,

what you have to do is make a Twitter and then you have to find Twitter, like there's existing Twitter accounts of like foot fetish influencers and then you follow people who are following them and then you DM them

and you say, hey, do you want 10? No, but you can do, you guys have looked into this. There's websites like feetfinder.com. Like there are certain. WikiFeet. Have you checked to see if you guys are on WikiFeet?

Oh my God. Have you guys not looked it up? Look up Nick Vial, WikiFeet. You guys, I don't want to brag, but I have a really good rating on WikiFeet. I'm sure you both are on WikiFeet. I bet you do. Nick, your rating is 4.91 out of 5. Nick, congratulations.

I have pretty decent looking feet. 5.91 out of 5. Nick, congratulations. And it says, I have pretty decent looking feet. Shoe size 5. What? Oh my God, the way both of your faces fell. A shoe size 5. Oh my God, yes. My shoe size is 5? It says.

Sweet little baby feet. Do you want me to edit? Do you want me to speak up for you? What is your shoe size? It's an 11. Okay, can we edit it? I'm going to edit. Okay, I'm putting it in. We're doing the Lord's work it? I'm going to edit. Okay, I'm putting it in.

We're doing the Lord's work right now. The Lord's work. Oh, I'm not logged in You know what they say about guys that pull up Natalie? Are there pictures of my feet? Yeah, dude, and people update them.

That's the craziest thing. I want to look. People update this thing. It's wild. Where do they find pictures of your feet, Nick? Screenshot it. Oh my God, there are photos. It's a bunch of

photos of you. Stop! I can't wear flip flops. It's the two of you on your couch. Anytime Nick has ever posed barefoot, this photo's on your link. Turn that computer around now. It's both of you on the couch. It's like both of your

legs. It's a screenshot of one of Nick's stories. I just texted it to you guys. It's like a bunch of pictures on the couch. It's like both of your legs. It's a screenshot of one of Nick's stories. I just texted it to you guys. It's like a bunch of pictures on Paradise. And my feet look good? Oh my god. There's one where there's a tan. Maybe some people are into that. You never know.

You spent all that money on a pedicure. You could have just gotten a sock tan. You do put your feet on your story a lot, Nick. I guess I do. Yeah, it looks like you have high arches, Nick. here you could have just gotten a sock tan you do put your feet on your story a lot nick i guess i do yeah it looks like you have high arches nick nice bone structure guys arches are the cheekbones of the feet this is making me panic i know dude i know like this picture i don't know if y'all can see that but if nick on the scale that That's me doing a Vanity Planet ad. I love it's making me panic.

It's wild. Oh my God. So you're welcome for that, everybody. I hope you enjoy your WikiFeet adventures. Nick, hide your feet. That is sick. Do Rachel and Gabby have a rating? Gabby does in fact have, have a wiki feet.

How they looking? It doesn't seem like she has ratings. It doesn't say, well, it has four stars and then in brackets, nice feet, instead of the 4.1 that you got. And we don't have information on shoe size, birthplace, birth date. So it seems to be a really early stage. Clearly we know what shoe size is. Incorrect. I love it. a really early stage. Clearly, you know, shoe size is incorrect.

I love it. As someone with size 10 feet, like, feels so targeted to be like, this is how big someone's feet are. Someone was mad at me

and said, nope, we're just going to change it to a five. That's hysterical. I love that. All right, we're doing predictions.

Predictions. Yeah, Lisa, why don't you kick this off? Give us Rachel's final four. Okay, we got Tino. We got Jordan, race car. Okay, I like that. Hayden, accent birthday card. Strong.

We got to just throw one. Logan. Logan. Logan? Did you say Avin? No. I really think Avin's going to be in her top four. Yeah. Who's Avin?

Oh, Avin. Oh, Avin, of course. So Avin, Hayden, Jordan, Tino. Anyone else? I feel good about that. I think that's a good solid four. And I think Gabby. Hit it. Ryan. Yeah feel good about that. I think that's a good solid four. And I think Gabby, Ryan.

Yeah. Mario. Yeah. We have to put Mario in there. We have to put their first impression. From a Bachelorette standpoint, the first impression rose is a massive deal. I did get,

and again, maybe it's because they didn't give us a lot of reasons to have us not be surprised about Mario getting the first impression rose. But I could also picture Gabby being one of the first Bachelorettes in a long time to change her approach and how she gives the first impression rose. Because so many of the women historically in the past few seasons have clearly like gone with their clear front runner night one. And many of these men have ended up winning the season. And maybe I could picture Gabby kind of, you know,

like, hell, I like Mario. There's something about him. And, and maybe she, you know, is the opposite.

Maybe she's kind of hiding her favorite. I don't know. It's interesting. I like that. But I think we still have to throw him in the top four. Eric, Ryan, Mario. And then, yeah, Ryan for sure.

Wait, Logan. We didn't throw Logan in anyone's. I don't know if I see Logan going super far. I don't either. I don't see Logan going far. He'll just be some sort of a character for us. Eric is going to be a main character. How and what way, I don't know.

But, yeah, it's unclear. You don't really know. He seems to have a connection with both. Definitely a possible villain. Yeah, it's like, will he be the first villain? Or will he be the one after the obvious two-episode villain gets weeded out that he'll be the longer villain or will he be the one like after like the obvious two episode villain gets weeded out that he'll be like the longer term villain and it's still so early do you remember on peter season where we thought hannah ann was going to be a villain yeah yeah i do yep you know

like that whole like champagne gate and we thought like and then like episode two they made it seem like her and victoria fuller were like likeer were kind of in that model catwalk fight. And then for the rest of the way, Hannah Ann just became, as we now know Hannah Ann to be, this wonderfully nice, demure, very sweet, gentle person. But those first two episodes, that is not what we thought Hannah Ann was going to be. So it's so early.

You don't really know. Like, I could definitely. It's they really did not give us much to go on. They didn't. Yeah. Just like kind of Jacob is probably that was shirtless Fabio man. I feel like he was the one of the closer things we got to like overt bad vibes. Yeah.

Because he clearly seems to be. He's goofy, but he's also like maybe slightly overconfident and like i could picture him being a villain because i could picture him just annoying the majority of the house and not because he's a bad guy it's just like they just kind of are sick of his antics and they turn on on him. Totally. Like, we're kind of grasping with Gabby's final four. Yeah. Ryan, for sure. Mario, for sure.

Eric, for sure. I mean... There it is. Something tells me that... I mean, I think we're just going to throw in Eric just because. Yeah. He's someone's four. Maybe Jason, because he was second out of the limo,

and they showed Gabby saying, he's my type. That's right. Totally. I think Jason too. Which one's Jason? He's the investment baker from Santa Monica. Oh, he's like three. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

He kind of has a little Michael Bublé energy to him. Yeah. I still think we got to look out for Zach, who was first out of the limo because, again, that's just so historically like. Excellent point, Lisa. Really disappeared, but. Yeah, he's cute. Yeah, nice smile. Zach who was first out of limo because again that's just so historically like excellent point Lisa really disappeared but yeah he's cute yeah nice smile

it's a pretty good looking bunch I'm excited to watch them all well here's hoping for some more drama episode two I was just gonna ask one final question for Lisa which is like if you were one of the bachelorettes how would you handle dibs this season or would you expect there to be dibs?

Like, how would you navigate? Were you in their shoes? I think them just having these like chats. I think we're going to see them having these like heart to heart each time, like a check in. And I guess you just have to be honest. I don't know. It's so awkward. I think it's so awkward.

And it's so hard to be like confident. And I would just have the problem being like, oh, they probably like her. I think I would get's so awkward. And it's so hard to be like confident. And I would just have the problem being like, oh, they probably like her. I think I would get stuck in that. Because also you would want, no matter who you want slash choose, you'd want them to choose you too. So there's also an element too of like,

I don't want to stop them from who they want to be with. And I would hope that they want to be with me. It's not like just a result of me having called dibs. Oh, what did we think of so many of the men asking to kiss them i liked it we like that okay yeah i think it's a fine line right like you want the romance and you want it to them to take charge in that moment but also they want to be respect i don't know yeah like you want to right and then like rachel made that comment about like i want him to like yeah rachel being the traditional kind of romance like i could picture gabby if she's like has the

hots for a guy to like lay one on him but like i'd never see that from rachel no and rachel had that interview moment where she was like clayton kissed me on night one like kind of like step it up right like yeah like rachel she seems to want the guy whoever her guy is to you know take the lead so to speak and like fight for her kind of and like show her that like he's willing to show initiative and be all in the way like she will be when she's in love with someone also this is their chance to make out with all of them. Come on, let them have it. I also feel like, though, when the guys start kissing both of them, then people are going to start hating the people. You know, like now that Eric has kissed Gabby, like when he does kiss Rachel, he's going to be like,

well, you kiss Gabby first. I just have a feeling that might happen next episode, maybe bleed into episode three. I think it'll be a long-lasting thing. I don't. You think they're going to make the split soon? I think so. I mean, this is what I heard early on.

Again, did they stick with that? I don't know. I just heard that that was their initial plan, but like what we said earlier on, that might have easily changed and not be the case. But I think there's going to be a little bit of that early on. We saw a little bit of them being like, what guy got to talk to both of them?

And two of the guys got to talk to both of them. And they tried to make that into the drama, but there just wasn't enough time for it. Yeah, you're definitely going to have an Eric or whatever kind of be the guy who's just like, well, I'm here, I'm going to talk to the women, and you're going to have a couple of these more shy, not want to step on other people's toes,

and that's going to create the drama, and that's clearly going to be how they get some early dramas. One of the guys is going out of his way to be like, well, I'm going to try to get to know both these women and they're going to make him seem like greedy and disrespectful. Yeah. Because you have to figure with the guys not kissing very much. It's like I think a lot of them did that calculation of like, I don't know who I want to kiss yet and I don't want to risk kissing the wrong one and then be labeled the fuck boy of the

season. Yeah. Yeah. That's got to be on their forefront. Yeah. You can tell you can definitely tell some of these guys are aware of the potential like fuck boy energy they could give off respect they're playing it safe self-aware king yeah i also just thought the because mar i think mario was one of the people who asked can i kiss you and i just loved his question and like talking to gabby about like masculinity and then when he was talking about

vulnerability and how that's an important part of the season his follow-up question to her was what does that look like for you which I thought was a fantastic like discussion question like really initiated some good communication yeah that was great yeah communication king we love him all right well I think that kind of does it. Yeah. That was fun. That's going to be fun. Lisa, as always, thank you for joining us. Thanks for having me. I appreciate it. And getting me dragged back into another season. I guess I'm doing it.

Oh, yes. Come on. Come on. You got it. Welcome back anytime, Lisa. Can you please let my audience know where they can follow you, find more of your fun, amazing content? Oh, sure.

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