The Viall Files - E467 Bachelorette Recap w/ Jim Jefferies

Episode Date: August 30, 2022

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Bachelorette Recap Edition! Today we are back for another episode, with friend of show and Bachelor Fan, Comedian Jim Jeffries. On this exciting bachelor recap, we’re breaking down the final hometown visit with Aven and then dive into the steamy Men Tell All. The episode starts off with some soundbites from Gabby and Rachel where they talk about wanting Kim Kardashian to be the next Bachelorette and how they might go on Dancing with the Stars. We then get into Aven’s hometown where we react to a witch with a Boston accent, talk about how Tino is the hottest person in his family, and how the men have been extra dramatic with their apologies because of the environment. We also get into Hayden being a no-show at Men Tell All, the controversy with Nate’s dating life, and how Tyler is going to get his heart ripped out. We also react to some clips shown where Zach is going to do a complete 180, our predictions of how Fantasy Suites will go down, and who is leaving with the best group of guys. We also dive into setting boundaries while dating with a kid, how they never talk about The Bachelorette’s profession, and how valid the concept of a life changing cruise is.  “They make losing interest feel a crime.” Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes.  Pre-Order Nick’s Book: https://www.abramsbooks.com/product/dont-text-your-ex-happy-birthday_9781419755491/ Check out our new "Introvert" merch at http://www.viallfiles.com today! THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: ZocDoc: Go to http://www.Zocdoc.com/VIALL and download the Zocdoc app for FREE. Then start your search for a top-rated doctor today. Many are available within 24 hours. Chime: So what are you waiting for? Hopefully not your paycheck. Get started with Chime today. Applying for a free account takes less than 2 minutes. Get started at http://www.chime.com/viall. Everlywell: Everlywell is offering a special discount of 20% off an at-home lab test at http://www.Everlywell.com/viall. Episode Socials:  @viallfiles @nickviall @jimjefferies See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

what's going on everybody welcome back thanks nick thanks for having me you're welcome jim i lost my voice for the before the first word i just said then i was we were talking before i was talking very clearly then all of a sudden I just went, hey. All right. Well, Jim Jeffries is with us for another episode of The Vile Files Bachelorette Recap Edition, Hometowns. We'll make this episode on hometowns. Well, kind of hometowns.

A little bit of a hometown. And then we had tell all. And tell all, yeah. And then a lot of adverts. A lot. It was Oprah. Oprah showed up virgin what else bros bros bros is a champagne app we got champagne apps we got apps anyway jim welcome how are you good thank you good it's good to have you back ah thanks for having me what's new ah nothing really

i just you know i'm just doing gigs like i always do. Go listen to the Jim Jefferies podcast. I don't know about that. That's all I've got to plug. That's nothing. I've been told that you need to plug it better, though. I've been told by my people that I don't plug enough. People want you to plug. Yeah.

It's a good podcast. It is a good podcast. I was on it. That's it. That's all the people. One episode. You don't want to tell them about it? Jim brings on experts about various topics.

What were you? You were the bachelor. Reality TV. Jim guesses. Guesses? I don't guess. I say everything I know on that topic, but I don't know who the specialist is going to be,

and then I get corrected. So it's basically the world before the internet when you used to just bullshit in bars and just try to have a go at a topic before you could actually search and find out what the truth was. And then he brings in a personal Google. Yeah, yeah. And then they tell me what I've done wrong.

Wow. You could have every dad in America for World War II week. Yeah, the whole idea of the guest is I didn't want to book guests. And so my big thing was I can't know who the guest is. And then I took myself away out of that situation. And then people come. There you go. That's how you delegate.

Well, what do we have to get into? So Rachel and Gabby have given us some sound bites over the last week. One that I thought was interesting. They were talking about that they think Kim Kardashian should join Bachelor Nation. She's recently single, broke up with Pete Davidson. Oh, like as the Bachelorette? Yeah, and Rachel said, I think we'd be honored to have Kim K in the sisterhood.

So any other celebrities coming to mind? I mean, now they're doing such commercial advertisements. I feel like Kim can meet her own men, right? I feel like that's going to be okay. Also, like a year away, I do believe it wasn't too long ago where someone floated the idea of chloe kardashian being the bachelorette and she makes more sense and she well she took personal offense i think she like something she tweeted something like

put respect on my name so i can't imagine that kim would be all that flat or that bachelor nation would want her as part of this also have we had a bachelor that has like 17 kids or is that like that would be a first what does kim look like honestly four four okay four basic want four 17 what's the difference yeah um she did that little uh bachelorette skit when she hosted snl yeah yeah maybe that's as close as we'll see her public date why don't we just get pete to be the bachelor there we we go. There we go. Nailed it. He'll be dating Martha Stewart by then. God, I would love to see that. Snoop Dogg could officiate their wedding.

Love it. Well, there's also a question of would Rachel or Gabby join Dancing with the Stars? And Gabby said, quote, I love to dance, love to dance more than I love to make out with boys on TV, which love to do that a lot. So it's saying a lot. And she said that she is a trained dancer. So she's very much down. So who knows? Maybe we'll be seeing her. What did Rachel say?

Well, Rachel said she was more eager for Gabby to be on than herself. Okay. All right. So. I think we'll see one of them. Would you do Dancing with the Stars, Nick? I did. Oh, you did it?

Yeah, I had a lot of fun. Did you lose weight? Did you get fit for it? No. So that's the only reason I'd do it. I Stars, Nick? I did. Oh, you did it? Yeah, I had a lot of fun. Did you lose weight? Did you get fit for it? No. So that's the only reason I'd do it. I mean, I was in shape. But dancing is kind of stupid, right? I had fun.

I know people get offended by that. The idea of dancing is a little bit dumb. I had fun. I liked it. Yeah. I like to dance. Well, okay, dancing for fun is good, but there's no job in it. We've literally had, through the history of time,

three people who have danced just for money. You've got to be able to sing as well. I can't sing. Otherwise, dancing's pointless. Unless you're going to be on Broadway. I know someone who was a backup dancer for Kylie Minogue, and Kylie Minogue's massive in the rest of the world. These are playing arenas and stuff like that.

She was on a base wage and like you looked at michael jackson this is it documentary the thousands of them auditioned to get 500 bucks a week or something uh well yes i would yes gotta sing it's an unforgiving profession it looks like it's very difficult yeah for most it looks like it it takes a lot of work yeah they're very talented yeah i feel like you gotta do it for the social credit of being able to say I'm a dancer. Yeah, exactly. I admire people who can dance.

I just think it doesn't make any money. The peak is Dancing with the Stars, I guess. And now it's been moved to... No? Are they all Australians on Dancing with the Stars that teach you how to dance? A lot of Australians. A lot of Australians.

Ballroom dancing is very popular in Australia. And then Russians who moved to australia yeah it's very you know russian like if you know if you grew up in a russian family at least some of them instead of playing baseball you you dance who are the russian baseball players that you speak of none i'm saying americans you know like soccer you get on i've never i've never seen that. No, instead of playing. And that's three strikes to Swisvinski. Was I not making sense? No, you said unless you play baseball. No, like in America, like the parents will have them go play baseball.

And then like the Russian guys on Dancing with the Stars, they're like, yeah, my parents put me in ballet. Dance. I tell you, it was that Baz Luhrmann movie when I was a kid that Strictly Dancing, dancing, strictly ballroom. No, that's what set the ballroom craze in Australia, and they have ballroom competitions. That's why all the dancers are Australian. I think anyway.

I don't know. So there's a lot of Australian dancers. It seems to be. On all those shows, all the dancers are Australian. Not a lot of Americans. No. We're lazy. You don't ballroom.

We don't. We're not. You don't ballroom. We don't. We're not dedicated enough. Are there any on the Dancing with the Stars? Whitney? Is Whitney? Whitney, yeah. America's big on the dancing troops.

Yeah. A group of 20 lads who just coincidentally met each other and went, let's all dance in unison. Yeah, it's more of a hip hop. We're a dancing troop. Yeah. And then same thing. So you think you can dance. You have other shows. Yeah. Yeah, but you got hosted by Cat De Yeah. And then the same thing. So you think you can dance. We have other shows.

Yeah. Yeah, but you got hosted by Cat Dealey. It's more of a. I love Cat Dealey. Cat Dealey used to be my jam when I was living in Britain 20 years ago. And she used to host the morning TV shows. You'd wake up hungover. Oh, I like a bit of Cat Dealey.

Nothing wrong with that. Is she still on TV? I haven't heard her name forever. I don't even know who cat dealie is bring her up you said cat dealie hosts the show right she used to she used to host so you think you can dance well let's talk about rachel seeing aven's dad now i spoke to you about this before at the beginning of the show they go uh this you're about to see something that's never happened on the bachelor oh wait that's cat dealie she's cute yeah kat dealy yeah i love kat dealy she used to work with that and deck in the morning okay she's great energy

she's like yeah she's fun fun person yeah yeah she's she's not the type of person you look at and go quiet you go oh i wish she was my girlfriend that's the type of that's how you look at kat dealy you know who i saw the other day at Jones on 3rd? Have you seen the movie Kingpin with Bill Murray? Yeah, yeah. The actress who plays, I had like the biggest crush on her. She was like the lead actress. Wasn't she, she was also in? Weird Science, I think.

Anyways, saw her at Jones on 3rd, and it was like, I realized like you were a big childhood crush of mine. Vanessa Angel? Yeah, it was kind of a big deal for me. big childhood crush of mine vanessa angel yeah it's kind of a big deal for me anyways yeah yeah no who the redheaded lady yeah yeah i know the one yeah yeah anyway uh you were saying avon's hometown so they said you're gonna see something you've never seen in bachelor nation and that always gets me i'm a fool for that because i because i feel like i've seen everything on the bachelor i feel like i've seen everything and then i was watching that and then i'm like i what was the

thing that i've never seen it seemed that his parents were nice yeah they were very nice to to her and they said i'll go for it if you think you can go for it because we've had a lot of dads this year that are just like nah don't do it well the one for sure tino's yeah yeah tino's parents were normal people yeah that's what i said yeah yeah normal folk who are just like girl you can date someone you have to get engaged tomorrow do you know her middle name yeah yeah you know they're like oh i think it starts with a j you know yeah yeah yeah and all the other parents are super into it but uh tino's parents seem to not caught up in in bachelor bubble because i used to think it was just the mums because you got like back going back to peter

you got like bob's mum then bring her home peter bring her home this is the thing that fairy tales made up peter like that and then when then one of the mums was a bit that way now like as soon who was the the She's got a pretty lady. Jason's mum. Jason's mum, who's just like, as soon as I saw you come in the room together, I knew. They get wrapped up in the fairy tale of the show. Did your parents get wrapped up in it?

My mum got emotional just seeing me, and I was super into her at the time. And so they were definitely like... Vanessa. Your mum, not a mom yeah he phrased that terribly didn't he what did i say he said i was super into her oh you said my mom got emotional i was super into her at the time my mom yeah well you know love my mom i was super into andy at the time so she got emotional but they definitely were skeptical yeah they weren't

trying to convince me to like get engaged they were more like if you want to do this we support you but yeah yeah your parents seem chill overall they never really got into it yeah you know like some parents definitely get into it they start reading everything they become involved with their kids he knows dad has been posting on facebook has he yeah about what about like updates every episode like people have been sharing screenshots of i guess someone must be a friend with him on facebook and now he's just putting it out into the world but like he'll do updates of like artino got another rose like da da da and someone said like oh like does he win or something and he commented back and saying i don't really think you

can ever win in terms of this like he's like made it quite clear if like he doesn't really think winning or like i think he's covering his tracks i think his son wins i but i don't think towards rachel that's what people are talking about it's harsh towards rachel if he can't really like win like but i don't think people are interpreting his activity online as pointing towards him not approving of Rachel specifically. Really? I kind of take it as the opposite. I would take it as he was hard on Rachel when he first met her.

Then Rachel picks him because she's obsessed. And now he's backtracking, feeling bad, posting about these roses, and he's saying you can't win because his whole thing was this is real life and and this isn't a show this is about love and you know like life is and i you know he's like you're not winning because he wants to like validate his son's like authentic feelings and that he didn't win he's like he's in love kind of thing you know what i'm saying i think it's more like that i think he's backtracking i think if he's on facebook kind of thing. You know what I'm saying? I think it's more like that. I think he's backtracking.

I think if he's on Facebook posting about his son, because he looks like he hates the fucking show. I think he came back, his son's engaged to Rachel, and now he's trying to win back. And Rachel's probably making him post. Also, I don't wish to sound harsh, but it probably will be harsh. Isn't Tino the best representation that can come out of that gene pool?

Oh my gosh, yes. After you see the brother and the dad, and the splitting image of him is just slightly off, and you're like, Tino's so hunky. It all came together. Yeah, it all came together. There was something that someone brought a secret ingredient in there by accident.

Yeah, 100%. Yeah, you definitely got the good-looking genes. And Tino's dad, he looks like he's five foot tall and then tino's like this big strapping fellow that walks in he does yeah it something happened something happened yeah but they like are close enough like they look related yeah no you can tell that's the dad that's all right but my dad's five eight yeah so i mean So, I mean, I look like him. But I feel like you look, yeah, you look more similar. But he's half my size. Yeah.

So, I don't know. So he's 10'16". Yeah. My dad's 3'1". Yeah. Nailed it. Just a little guy. Just a little guy.

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Is that the thing we've never seen before? Is that what they're implying? I don't know what else we've never seen before. There was nothing. There was nothing we haven't seen. As you said, the witch with the Boston accent and she did the fire thing. That's her big trick. She throws that thing.

They were never going to burn that place down. Robby is sitting there like taking notes, like how dare they. Oh, the magician? Yeah. Yeah, Blondie. Oh, that dickhead. He wants to be famous worse than anyone that's ever wanted to be famous. He stood up and did a magic trick with the thing and then he thought to himself,

how can I get more attention? Dimer hair, blonde, and he piped in on every conversation he was there for four minutes pretty standard for the tell-all though i know but like he looked he looked thirsty that one yeah and he's he's not on the on the uh on the beach he's not going down to the beach yeah yeah why thirsty enough i'm looking forward to victoria being back oh yeah yeah she's trouble. Every time I look at her, she's not like the best-looking contestant ever, but she's the one that I look at like, oh, you want to stay away from her? She'll be no good. And then, you know, my beloved Genevieve's back.

So, oh, yeah, it was a good episode. That was the best bit. Victoria and Genevieve sitting next to each other. My girl Sinead is on. Yeah, she is. Yeah, Sinead. Yeah. I predict a Sinead renaissance.

What is it? A rebirth? A rebirth. I feel like that's renaissance, isn't it? What renaissance is? Your girl Genevieve? I don't know. I think Sinead and Genevieve are going to switch spots.

Oh, you think Genevieve's going to fall down a trap here? Yeah. And she's going to show maybe her true colors. Yeah, I think we'll see more sides. Or the editors are going to turn on her. One or the other. Well, Sinead seemed to be at the center of the love triangle situation. And there was also, she did have

the very charming quote, we're not having sex Tarzan to Jacob. I think Paradise is more conducive to Sinead. Alright, back to Avon. Avon's parents. Kind of a whatever hometown. his dad seemed kind of tough at first rachel responded well though she handled herself well can i sit here

right now and be 100 no but i'm excited to see where it goes it was a very nice neutral answer i liked how i even said we're going to explore the rich history of salem and then we saw a boston witch and that was it that was the rich the table collapsed. Yeah, they didn't go anywhere else. They just went to the witch house, to the thing. Yeah, that's the entire city. Rich history. I think, yeah, Rachel's just not going to pick Ava. That's basically what it tells me.

I thought it was interesting when Ava says he's falling in love with her, and Rachel's response is, going back to a Ching's point a few weeks ago, you know, Rachel wants to be the best bachelorette as opposed to really being here for love like when her response was you have no idea what hearing you say this means because i feel like you're slow to open up like it struck me as she was like check in my book i got the the closed off one to still fall in love with me like four of my guys told me yeah love me what i don't feel the the way. What are your thoughts between Rachel and Gabby, the two bachelorettes? Have you been enjoying this season?

Have you been enjoying one bachelorette more than the other? I really enjoyed the first few episodes and when the guys had to pick in between. And then they're both really nice girls. They're both really nice. I can't really fault their behavior. They've worked honorably at telling people when they didn't like them sending people home not leading people on so it's been kind of boring in that respect but the first half i was all locked in i like gabby more than rachel i think

that rachel could be hard work as a girlfriend yeah she seems like she has like a little bit a long list of things that make her happy yeah you might have to knock out 95 of them yeah the bit that like the boys aren't looking at me and i need attention right now why why do you why do you at a at some boxing game what do you what do you need them all staring and waving at you what's going on there like you'll be fine and then like i'm worried about she was so worried about rejection the whole time this person rejected me that person rejected me if you're trying to find the one, who gives a fuck if the rest of the world rejects you? If you're going to find the one.

As long as you had two, three guys that you really felt a connection to, nothing else mattered, really. But it mattered to her. And then Gabby does the whole totally, totally, totally. Yeah. It's the yeah. Yeah. It's the yeah. Yeah. Although. And then I kind of, I like Gabby.

I think she's a bit fun. But then when the guy, and we saw it on this episode, said she was rough around the edges, you think he was the president and he had an affair the way he had to make a public apology for saying a girl was rough around the edges. Sure, when you look back on it, you can go, I could have phrased that better but that the whole i've been searching my soul and just really reflecting on what it's to be a man you were i wouldn't have stayed here even if you were the

only bachelorette which is the similar but jim's point does still stand it's like it's it is ridiculous jesse palmer was said gabby do you have anything to say to jacob and gabby goes do you have anything to say to me yeah yeah well you know in fairness to these guys you know they they say these things and yes they shouldn't say it it looks bad of course but these apologies seem sincere and it seemed enough and everyone seemed happy with it and they got to move on. But it seemed to be big, a big apology for what it was. What is it with this season, with all this whole, like, a real man makes other men better? Any other stuff?

All right. It's like we pitted two women against each other, but don't worry, we're going to talk so much about healthy masculinity. Yeah, it's a little bit of instance here these guys are getting crucified on their social media i'm sure so they probably feel like they they've probably been convinced that they've essentially killed somebody it feels like and so they're where's my chat is what i'm saying i've got you says fuck you and doubles down yeah yeah just like i don't give a fuck.

Like even the bloke that said early on, he goes, if Dream Sweets happen and- Dream Sweets? What do they call it? What's the bloody word for it? Fantasy Sweets. I like Dream Sweets. If Fantasy Sweets happen and they have sex with other men,

then that would be me out, which is basically what the girls said last season. And like it's very clear that guy's douchey very clear that guy's douchey but quinn essentially what did he say wrong he stated what what he was comfortable with he probably should have kept his mouth shut he said too much he said too much but really now we're going back to thomas a season earlier who just told the truth thomas my guy yeah well you made a good point there's this uh this episode and they do this a lot it's the bachelor but i what i kind of hate and i think is what you're saying too is like they kind of almost frame that like they saw it with logan like not liking someone or changing your mind and like losing feelings is somehow a crime.

Yeah, yeah. If one of the male cast stops liking a Bachelorette, that is a horrific thing. You can't leave. I don't think Logan had COVID. I think it's bullshit. Oh, he definitely. What's your theory? Because.

What's your theory? Okay. I've been around people with COVID. I've seen how it spreads and all that type of stuff. No one else. No one else in the whole production got it. No one else in the whole production. Well, we don't know that no one else in production got it.

Neither of the girls got it. None of the cast got it. They're all living in houses together. They're eating together. They're making out with each other. So why? Then why? I reckon he knocked off with one of the crew members

and he got in trouble and they just flicked him off before. But why wouldn't they make that a show? Why wouldn't they make that part of the show? That would be the most drama they had this season. They try to keep that quiet because they want to hold the show as like a pristine. They've done that before. No. Remember when Chris Harrison was like, and then he fell from this balcony.

They had a guy from production break both of his ankles once. Yeah. Jumped out of the window. He jumped off of a window because he was hooking up with one of the castmates. Oh, really? Yeah, this was years ago. If they have the footage, they'll air it it and they'll probably have talked about it i just think it's unlikely they would have their host on national television on a topic that's still kind

of polarizing and political and sensitive lie about a guy getting covid when he could have just say a million other things like why have their host claim something that's not true that would be easily debunked i don't know i feel like they're trying to have a clean show this season i don't know i don't think he had covid i don't think he had covid i'm putting it out there the guy didn't have covid i'm not a conspiracy theorist because this doesn't deserve a conspiracy yeah although it's just a theorist logan looked kind of hot This episode I felt Do you like the hair better Like swooped in I think his hair

That's what it was His haircut on Tell All Was Is much better suited for him Than was the whole season I don't know if you have Any thoughts on this They went after him

But they didn't go after Meatball Meatball did the same thing He flip flopped No one cared Because his name was Meatball I'm 100% in Logan's camp now I don't get what he did Why does he have Why did he have to go in a hot seat and act like,

you know, I just wish I would have done it a different way. Did all these guys go after him as if he did something horrific? He didn't lead either of them on. As soon as he knew what he was doing, he fetched up to it. I think the only incriminating thing was the soundbite of him accepting Rachel's rose, knowing that he wanted to talk to Gabby. And it's one of those things where, like, as a human, you can understand, like, what other option did he have in order to get to Gabby?

Yeah, there was a lot, but that was the one thing where... But also, he wasn't in love with either of them. If you're in a bar and there's a girl that you fancy, but she has a friend that's still really cute that talks to you, you go, all right, I'll talk to the cute one. Maybe there's something there. And then you talk to the cute one that you don't fancy as much as the other one. And you go, eh, no, it yeah no it's not the same with guys i did that once i everyone's been down

that road i met met a girl and we talked briefly and then like i met her friend and i was like i'm way more into her friend and i i tried on they were close friends, but I tried unsuccessfully to pivot, and their friendship won out, which was fine, but I was like, I'm not going to pretend to. But it's been enough years now, you can go back there. It's fine. My grandma first went on a date with my grandpa's brother. Yeah, there you go. Decided my grandpa was more fun.

My mother, she got proposed to by my father's cousin, right? Yeah, true. She got proposed to by my father's cousin right yeah true she got proposed to by your father my father's cousin proposed to my mother before my mother had ever met my father and my mother was like no i want to go travel she meets my dad in london gets engaged to him doesn't find out that they come back to australia at Australia at a party that that was the cousin. And my mum would bring it up in arguments. Every now and again, every now and again you'd hear that. I should have ended up with Terry. My dad would go, fucking Terry, I wish he fucking took you.

It was a bit of that. I heard right until my mother died, bloody terry should have ended up with terry have you guys heard the theory that terry is the male version of karen like that's the name for the male karen the terror yeah no i'm not this might be a bit of ego but i believe that i am the reason that uh k. The term Karen exists. Okay, if you search back, we're talking 2010, I recorded a special. I can't remember which special.

It would have been one of those early ones. And I did a joke. I did several jokes where I referenced a woman who was a pain in the ass being called Karen. And so the joke was i told a dirty joke i tell a religious joke and there's some bloke who's enjoyed himself but he's bought tickets for all of his mates and then he sits there and goes ah fuck karen's really religious i'm never gonna fuck karen right that was the whole bit the whole bit and then i did another joke where i referenced karen and this preceded the karenness of the world by about seven years.

I think I put the Karen-ness out there. And to all the Karens out there, I'm sorry, because I'm sure you had a good life before that. Yeah, really? You're now going to see babies being named Karen. When you meet Karens now in today's world, I feel like they might whisper their name or give a nickname. Karen.

My mom named Karen. And she knows that there's something around it, but she's like, that. She doesn't really care. When I was in school, like in the 90s, Karen was always like a cute girl's name. Sure. Yeah, that was, yeah. There was no shame in dating a Karen. Way to go, Jim.

Yeah. Yeah, I'm sorry to all the Karens. It had to be somebody. I would tell that story with a little more confidence. Like, just say that you did it. Because it's very believable. You have evidence. It's on film. Like, that was just the first domino.

And then a couple of people said it. I'm not saying that I have so many fans that people saw that and started saying it. I'm just saying it just took a few people who saw me say it to say it. And then it sort of spread out like a Ponzi scheme. You planted the seed. Exactly. For sure. Yeah.

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Logan definitely has game, yeah. Yes, and compared to, most of the men they cast in that show, historically, are tall, good-looking, awkward guys. And every once in a while, there's a guy who has a lot of swag and a lot of game. And Logan's definitely one of those guys. Yeah, he's swag.

Yeah. And I think the interesting part, as Wells said when he was on the show, is based on the filming schedule, Logan would have been one of the guys who went down and was kind of a mystery. They didn't have any preconceived notions of him. They hadn't seen the season yet.

Well, unless you were on his season, yeah. Like all the women probably had no clue who he was, never met him and i thought he looked pretty pretty handsome you know as far as as david said i thought he was well blue or gold but he was the good looking one on on tell all i thought he looked i thought he looked handsome he blew up i don't know but uh yeah he really had to like keep apologizing for something that I was just like it was an episode of a lot of guys saying things like yeah I wish I would have done things differently like yeah of course in a controlled environment I am the man I want to be and I'm a lot different now like I don't know how different any of these guys are it's been like two months I don't know what personal

growth I do believe that they would have done things differently. It's like, of course, in a controlled environment where you have no fucking clue what's going on, where things are very much like you don't really have as much freedom as you think you do. Of course, you might have done things differently. But at least, who's Tarzan? Jacob. That being said, that is the way to apologize

if you are getting heat on that show like he just owned it he fell on the sword he probably overdid it but like that is the way to apologize uh and then hayden's a no-show as are the twins well the twins aren't the twins were there for five seconds yeah roby still made a statement yeah the twins were probably yeah but like they you could tell they invited hayden to come wanted him to come and hayden like didn't show up because they were basically fine don't come up don't come and defend yourself but we're gonna try to beat the shit out of you and they had this rambo guy and they really they really laid it on thick to free rambo for uh for hayden so but i'd forgotten the dog was called Rambo

and I just saw that bloke in the audience dressed as Rambo. Yeah. I didn't even piece together. I didn't make the connection at first either. That's an outfit choice that dude's got. No, they were basically making fun of Hayden's dog and Hayden.

Well, not so much Hayden's dog. Yeah, no. Hayden. Yeah. You know they didn't have a lot to talk about when guys that weren't there. You know they didn't have a lot to talk about when guys that weren't there. You know they didn't have a lot to talk about

when it just was random people showing up on the stage left and right. And I'm just trying to figure out how sick was Rambo. He's like, I've been this long away from the dog.

I can't. He's like, I think like Rambo like ate a berry and threw up right before Hayden left and he's been telling a story that like he's sick.

he said his skull like crashed in. That's different than like throwing up a blueberry have we seen pictures of the skull probably not but i have seen rambo on instagram i don't believe hayden what if so sue me hayden was probably the biggest villain of the whole season that was as bad as it got maybe that wasn't it was it wasn't that wasn't that bad yeah yeah he was a douche. He was a douchebag. He was a douchebag, yeah. Rambo's still alive and well three days ago.

He looks great. Yeah. He looks better than I do, Rambo. He looks like he's doing well. He does not look like. That was an inaccurate picture he painted. Oh, Hayden. Living the golden life.

There we are. Let's get into the native at all, I guess. Yeah. After the champagne toast and the cruise giveaway. There we are. Let's get into the native at all, I guess. Yeah. After the champagne toast and the cruise giveaway. Oh, yeah. So, virgin. That was something we'd never seen in Bachelor Nation. It's true.

People got cruises. Is that what it was? It must have been the Oprah moment. They had a teaser of all the people standing up and screaming and all that type of stuff. And I was like, maybe this is an important bit of information. Yeah. They're going to cast the first. Also, I'm sorry.

If a cruise is going to change your life forever, that's not a good cruise. The way they phrased it for the audience members, a life-changing cruise is an insane cruise. Otherwise, a Titanic. A lovely free vacation. No, it'll change your life for a week. It won't be different, will it?

Unless you never come back. Yeah, but not for life. I mean, there are people who have gone on cruises where their lives have never been the same. I don't know if it's for good reasons. That's what I'm saying. Do they all go on the same cruise or they can pick any different cruise?

That would be a good cruise because there was like, if you're a single bloke watching right now, that audience was 90% women. Get on that cruise. Get on that cruise. They're all there. You want to meet girls? That's the cruise.% women. Get on that cruise. Get on that cruise. They're all there. You want to meet girls? That's the cruise.

A lot of ladies on that cruise. A lot of ladies. A lot of bachelor ladies that might be single. And the dude dressed like Rambo. Do you think they'll all be at the same cruise or they'll get a voucher? They'll probably get a voucher and then select dates. Or do you think they'll be forced to go on the same cruise?

Well, my question was it seemed like the guys were all, like, cheersing and looking good. And he said everyone here gets a free cruise. I don't think the guys get to go. That same cruise well my question was it seemed like the guys were all like cheersing and looking good and he said everyone here gets a free cruise i don't think the guy that's what i was thinking i was like they needed to and is it is it a plus one if you came to the show by yourself just to watch the thing or if you've come with like your mother or something are you cruising with them or do you get a plus that's a great question yeah you want to i'm sure they gave them a voucher for limited dates. You can probably only leave the Wednesday in the middle of July or some other hot month. And you get those real small rooms.

The interior facing, no windows. Yeah, no swan on your bed for you. No, I've done it. I'm not a cruise fan. I like cruises. Do you? I love good cruise. Jim, we should go.

It's the great Korean Olympics. If you want to gain weight, the cruise is there for you. They have soft serve machines that you can do yourself. That's dangerous. You could bring a bucket from the beach and fill it to the top. No one's watching. No rules. Well, as the great Corinne Olympus once told me when I said I hate cruises,

she just said, well, you don't cruise right then. There you go. There's a saying, the more you booze, the better you cruise. That's what they try to push alcohol on you all day. And it's a real like sort of wake up in the morning and have a drink type of a place. And then everything's buffet meals. It's not my favorite place. I don't like buffets.

I don't either. You're not doing cruise. I'm with Corinne. You're not doing it right. No, there's nice restaurants though. But lunch, you just sort of get on the pool and you get the thing. There's always like a community. Dinner you can do nice.

Dinner you can do nice. But there still is a buffet element, a mass production of food. I'm not a big fan of food that's sitting. Breakfast buffets are amazing. Only because of the omelettes. Breakfast buffets are all right. Yeah, I had a good one the other day

and they did like French toast and stuff and they cooked it and they have an omelette station. Yeah, breakfast buffets are different the other day, and they did like French toast and stuff, and they cooked it, and they have an omelet station. Yeah, breakfast buffet is different. It's the omelet station, which is fresh. But the other thing is like I went to a buffet the other day in Tucson, and it was $20, and it was overpriced, and it was all you could eat, and it was not good, right? And like I remember growing up, my dad was very big into that all you can eat,

and the truth is all restaurants when you have money, are all-you-can-eat. All of them. Sure. All of them. That is – That sounds like a rich bastard thing to say. No, it's an all-you-can-eat, Terry. I was talking – we went out to dinner last night.

I was talking about this with my cousin. I'm like, you know what? I think my favorite part of making making more money because when I make- Do you get to eat more? Yeah. No, it's not like living large. I try to live fairly modestly, but it's when you're at a restaurant

and you're like, should I get this or that? I'm like, let's get both, you know? Or it's those are the moments I like- That's the one thing like with money that I do indulge. I'm not much of it like I have a couple of watches or whatever, but I have a pretty modest house. I just have the one car. I eat whatever I want on a menu.

And if something bad happens, you get a parking or a speeding ticket, you're just kind of like, whatever. It's those things that make making money great. The only thing that money really buys you and people because people i would never want a boat or anything like that it does get you to the front of the line there's always some way it'll take 50 bucks you know some way to get to the front of the line i have a question though which is with because money is obviously like a big part of a relationship in terms of if you're making financial decisions to like get engaged and

have a life together how much on the bachelor do you think contestants and The Bachelor or Bachelorette themselves can suss out what someone's financial situation is? Is it pretty obvious or because it's The Mansion and everyone's doing the same stuff? I'll tell you, there are a lot of conversations post-filming behind the scenes of people discussing money because they're casting a lot of young men who are not making a lot of money right now and i think there are conversations going on about like what's your what are you doing and what's your financial situation and what does a former athlete make only to realize there's just not a lot in the old banking account and i think those are actual conversations that do happen that are never

get talked about because i wouldn't want to marry someone or get engaged someone with a huge amount of debt and bad credit that's going to bring my credit down all the type of stuff like these are things you have to actually know about debt and credit are important questions are huge yeah huge and people people can be in a lot of debt as well and then you're like so this is our debt now is it yeah i've been saving for these years and then you're like so this is our debt now is it yeah i've been saving for these years and then you've just come in in the last one and now i'm the yeah so i but if you're both broke who gives a fuck that's like if you're both broke and you just finished the bachelor you get together and you go what's our next plan are we going to do

some home renovation show what are we going to do how are we going to make coin let's do public appearances with each other right yeah let Yeah. Let's do a podcast. I think there's a lot of, I don't even know if they talk with each other about it, but I do think they talk with their friends about it. And it's a bit of gossip about other people's financial situations. But you're not allowed to mention it on the show? Like, I guess while they're filming, you can't go,

Sue, how much does a pilot make? Yeah. What is that? I would like to see them ask about credit history though and finance like it's like i'll be honest do you have do you have any debt you know that's a fair question student loans anything yeah yeah if you're getting engaged it's a fair question yeah totally did you did you and and the girl we did not talk never talked about it no we didn't uh nate should we yeah nate in the hot seat i don't trust nate you don't trust i

don't trust nate but i still like nate he he protests too much he's always going on about a real man does this a real man does that and lifting up people and the person i want to be and all that type of stuff it's a bit performative he can still be a nice guy a good guy and without the whole like i'm the best person on earth and i wouldn't and like the reason i do all these things the reason i'm a better man is for my daughter it's like that's the reason well everywhere with kids try to be better for them it doesn't make you special i agree with you it's the only problem is is that it's the opposite of jacob or whatever it's just like in this world and everything's hyperbolic i mean you

know you you you fuck up you you have a douchebag moment and people treat you like you're the worst fucking person in the world so when you have a good moment you know you want to it's like they they they oversell it as if like yeah it's like this i just want you to know that this is who i am and you're right the truth is it's just like all these guys are just fucking guys. And they've all been douchebags. I think probably for the most part, they're all probably solid guys who have had moments of weakness. They've had, you know, they've had. Well, I've been in Nate's position.

I've been exactly where Nate is. I wanted to ask you about that. I have been a single dad with a four-year-old, which I think is what Nate's kid might be. Ballpark age, yeah. I had from four to six. That's the years I was single with my kid. Hold on one second. Just for our audience sake, what is Nate being fully accused of?

Yeah, so this girl Kelsey posted aok uh and it had the caption i cried for a guy who in the transition kept his kid a secret for me for 1.5 years when we were dating and i find out on reality tv and then with the text there was a little like rose emojis what did she say she put rose emojis yeah so then people then people put it together. Already, already I'm like, eh. What did she say was the extent of the relationship? Because Nate threw in kind of a low-key suggestion that they weren't boyfriend and girlfriend. And now we live in a dating culture

where defining the relationship is not a very popular thing. Yeah, so they met in January of 2020. And this article just says, seemingly started seriously dating for more than one year before he allegedly ghosted kelsey for a week in july 2021 okay but this is her saying it was okay so as i said i i had i had a relationship breakup uh and then my son was four and then i sort of met my wife when my son was six ish right so? So I had two years where I dated. And in that two years when I dated different people and all that type of stuff,

there were women that I would – everyone knew I had a son. There was – no one got to meet him. No one got to get in contact with him because I'm not putting him through different relationships that weren't going to happen. And then there was some where I would talk about my son in front of the women and say, oh, you know, my son's up to A, B, C, and D. And there was some women that, you're not hearing anything about my son. Yeah.

We're just having a casual bit of fun. You know what I mean? So maybe not for a year they wouldn't have heard anything, but there was definitely ones that knew very, very little about my son for a couple of months or something like that. None of their business. Yeah. I mean, there for a couple of months or something like that. None of their business. Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of details we don't know. I would be curious of his side of the story of how much they were dating. That's why I don't like him.

I don't mind him. You can not like him. No, I don't mind the guy. What I didn't like was, so when my relationship broke out, my world was turned upside down from my child. And I was just trying to protect the daughter. What he really should have said is that wasn't a serious relationship. And my child was none of her concern.

And I'd like to protect my child. And, you know, I'll introduce my child to who I want to introduce my child to. That's all you need to say. Well, it feels like people get so crucified on the Internet that they have to overly humanize themselves and overly show emotion the answer is if she was the one she would have known about my daughter no problem yeah no i agree with you that's that's all he should have had to say but in bachelor world i i to amanda's point i think he felt like he had to like oversell it and like sound like it's, you know, yeah,

it's like, again, I'm not a dad. I don't know what it's like to be a single dad. I don't know what it's like to be a dad at all. I don't know what it's like to go through a divorce or a separation or co-parent, but I imagine to your point,

like, I don't want to, wouldn't want to tell every person I'm dating or partying with. Like I've heard rumors that like he, you know, he, he, this particular girl,

he only hung out with us in like kind of party situations which kind of goes to he said something like i don't want to put my kid in like dangerous or unhealthy situations and maybe he was just like yeah i don't know like he's still a young fella but also there is an element of not just you know you've broken up from your ex and now you're a single parent but you also might have been with that ex for a long time. And you do have that year that you have after any breakup where I'm going to enjoy myself, especially since you'll have your kid one week on one week off or whatever. Sometimes you go a little crazy in that week off because you haven't been able to for a

long time. And that sort of settles down. But initially you're like, wow, I've been single for a long time. Yeah. Maybe. And so it's not straight away. Like, like because you're single for the first time there's a lot of relationships that happen straight after that where i'm just going to have fun until you decide to settle down or meet a person that you

better be meaningful with and you don't introduce your kids to those yeah and was it kind of weird when you got back out there like were you like unsure of like how to talk about your son in a way to the new people you're just like you know some people freak out when you have a kid it's a it's a it's a deal breaker for him and then you know and some people as i said you just don't want them to know about yeah and it's one of those things where if you start seeing someone and like at first it's kind of casual it's ambiguous so you don't say anything and then it's been six months and then you're like oh fuck it's weird to bring it up now but maybe just see how it would easily get into like a bad situation

like sure wasn't matured a ghost maybe they were just a woman has every right to be disappointed but i don't think it means like my wife she kept secret from me that she wears slippers every day for the first two years now i just see these big ass bunny slippers every single day and you're like that was that was misleading yeah you used to walk around without those false marketing false marketing and now it's just like this is me this is the footwear i choose on a daily basis there's always a little bit of that every relationship of like oh this is okay now we're now we're being ourselves yeah question for the room what quality do you think you most ambush partners with later on uh that's a good question i think i i do think

i'm like annoyingly honest pretty up front about who i am i i don't have it in me to hide stuff i think i think i'm a complete and utter slob and i can pretend that i'm not for a good eight months i can clean dishes and stuff like that and be right on top of it and i actually not only do i avoid showing that i'm a slob i actively act like i'm a clean person for a long time which is very misleading when i go vacuum and yeah i'm messy i wouldn't call my i'm really messy and when i was dating i you never seen the movie forgetting sarah marshall and yeah where she's coming over to break up with them and he just throws everything in the closet and it's just

yeah i've done that i've definitely like picked up in about five minutes it looks aesthetically clean only to have like a closet i don't want anyone to open for fear it all falls out i've definitely i force people to like wait outside my bedroom while i tidy up because i feel shame about it it's a vulnerability thing but they're just waiting outside my bedroom while I tidy up because I feel shame about it. It's a vulnerability thing. But they're just waiting outside your bedroom? Yeah, I'll be like, you need to wait here for five minutes. There's a lot of honesty there.

While the guy jumps out the window and breaks both of his ankles. Wait, but going back to the native at all, there was an additional component that I think compounded everyone's rumors about Nate. So there was that original TikTok saying that she didn's rumors about nate so there was that original tiktok saying that she didn't know about the kid for a year and a half but then you know he ghosted her for a week in july 2021 and then apparently what does that mean what do

you mean what do you can you ghost someone for a week i guess maybe but like you know nowadays people use ghosting pretty loosely it's just like i matched with you in a dating app you didn't message me back and like he or she ghosted me. It's a pretty wide spectrum now what ghosting means. You have to ghost people now because back in the old days, that sounds very underhanded, and you young people might not know about this, but we used to just give false numbers. That's all we did.

You could just give a completely wrong number to a human being and just smile at them and now they go i'll just text you so you have my number now you're like oh no yeah or or they'll follow you like what's your instagram they can just find you on social media you used to be able to duck and hide after a bad relationship no one would find you for years so anyways nate ghosted someone for a week yeah 10 years later i called. So apparently the following month, another woman then DM'd Kelsey saying that she and Nate were heavily dating in early 2021 and that she met Nate on Tinder. And then they first met in January of 2021. He then took her on an early Valentine's Day's day dinner date the following month she had photos

to prove all of it so it was like not only did she not know about the kid for a month and a half of dating but he was seeing a different woman during that time i got the impression from what i've heard is that he wasn't really dating kelsey like i think they were and why is he hooking up why is he in trouble for taking her to dinner i don't get what he was dating that's what i'm saying we're in a climate where people have like 15 tinder matches and and men and women are both doing this could nate have been more communicative it sounds like i feel like it's nice that you go to dinner because a lot of these tinder dates have just come over to my house or whatever you know what i mean they just hook up once i always got in trouble with girls because uh i one of the things I love about being

in a relationship is you have someone to go on holidays with, you know, vacation. I say holidays, right? Someone to go on vacation with, right? And so often I'd be in a relationship, a new relationship, and I'd go, do you want to go to Hawaii next week? Just because I want to go to Hawaii. I haven't had anyone for two years. I'd like to go to Hawaii. This person seems to be a bearable human. And also it's a pressure cooker. I'd like to go to Hawaii. This person seems to be a bearable human. And also it's a pressure cooker. I'll speed up the relationship, find out very quick whether I like you or not. And then it gets thrown back in your face.

And you took me to Hawaii. And I'm like, why the fuck am I in trouble for that? You enjoyed yourself? Yeah, that's an excellent. And so like you took it, she took him on a Valentine's Day dinner. You got to eat. Well, and the fact that Nate said, I put up a wall to protect my daughter from the instability of my dating life,

clearly it wasn't stable. It wasn't the one person. So that points to. All dating is unstable until you meet the person you get married to. He probably could have communicated better, but I'm always been every season reluctant of the quote unquote exes from former from contestants. There's always a few that come through the woodwork and then there and then you hear stories about their timelines and you're just like, so you dated and they didn't like you that much. A lot of these stories of people who come forward of like exes after you hear all the this and that or he said, she said.

A lot of it, not always, but a lot of it comes down to it sounds like they didn't like you. And they went on a show. I think Nate should be more unapologetic and just go, fuck, no, you're not meeting my kids. No, you're not doing this. I took you to death. The problem I have with Nate is that as a man

of a daughter with a thing. The man I was. The man that I am. the man that i will be i'm still you know all that he's probably just a guy who probably could have you know been a little bit more up front and was a little selfish in his dating life and wasn't you know fine and which which it seems like nowadays everyone could a little guilty of, you know, focusing on their own personal, like, needs at the, you know, which might make the other person feel like,

I feel like you could have told me that, you know? And there's a lot of that going around. And casually dating multiple people during Valentine's Day is a fucking nightmare. Yeah. Oh, my birthday's Valentine's Day. Ooh. Oh.

Nightmare. How have we structured society? That might be the worst. My birthday should be the one time a woman buys me dinner, and I'm still stuck in this whole vortex. I've got to pay for dinner on my birthday? That doesn't feel fair. That might be the worst birthday to have as a guy.

Oh, and also you can't bring out all your friends on your birthday because they have to go out with their wife or husband. Your friends have to hang out with their partners. So you can't have a communal dinner. If you do, when I was a kid, I remember you'd go to dinner and your family would have to go to dinner and they'd have the restaurant all separated into tables of two and it'd just be my goofy family sitting in the middle.

So no, not a good one, the Valentine's Day. I feel like Halloween is the best holiday to have a birthday. If you have to have a birthday on a holiday, Halloween, it's like, oh. Everyone's having a good time. They're not really cared about. Yeah, they're not really there for you. My wife's one's just before Christmas. So she has that whole people giving one gift and that's for both.

What do you do now? Like, does Valentine's Day get pushed or does your birthday get pushed? No, no. I do it on Valentine's Day. I just have dinner with my wife or something like that. And I feel like I don't have to do a big deal for Valentine's Day because it's my birthday. I just – a bunch of flowers.

You get some flowers, the end. You know, I'm like there's no poem to be written. It's my birthday. You're off the hook. I feel like I'm off the hook. Well, maybe, yeah, one could argue that it's a, maybe it's a good thing that you can always blame it on your birthday, being like, how much effort do you want me to put?

My father always got out of Valentine's Day with my mother by going, ah, I gave you a gym, bloody you had the best Valentine's Day gift you could have. 20 hours of labor or whatever it was. You should be thankful. That's awesome. That's what my dad would say. But my mother would always, I think this is because my mother would always get me

when a little kid heart-shaped cakes and she'd say, that's all the cake shop's selling. I've learned, no, they still sell regular cakes. You got Valentine's Day cakes on your birthday? Yeah, I got Valentine's Day cakes for me mom. It was very creepy. You think this scandal has eliminated Nate from contention of being the next Bachelor if he was being considered as the next Bachelor?

I think he's very capable of dating multiple women. What? I feel like he's even more qualified. Yeah. Oh, another good point. Why is this such a scandal when The Bachelor literally, this is their shtick? He was just warming up.

He wasn't doing it right because he was a rookie. He clearly had some learning to do. Now he's like a real man. I think Nate could be The Bachelor. He should never have his kid on the show after what he said. I never like when they bring the children on. I'm not a huge fan either. And they bring them and they run along the beach with a random man.

And I'm like, what are you doing, man? That girl who had the two daughters. It will be, yeah. It's always some sort of beach shot of them running to their children. And now I've met your kids. It's even more important to me. And you're like, get the fuck out of here. That's kind of what they do.

Leave the kids alone, man. There was that guy years ago who lived in Seattle and he had the kid. Yeah, Jason. Yeah, they got married. And then when they got married, the kid was not in the episode because clearly the mom had gone, no, that's not happening anymore, rightfully so. If my ex became the new bachelorette and she put my son on,

I'd be furious. Yeah. I mean, all they really do is use the kid just like they use roses, which is like, you got a rose and I want you to think this is special, but it's probably not. And I want you to meet their kid. I want you to think it's special. So your kid's a pawn. So just a little jump back. So we were talking about Rachel saying to the guy, i'm so happy that you've told me this i've been waiting for you to say this for

so long she didn't even slightly say it back and then she said it off camera she said because i'm falling in love with him on the on the front screen does that mean that she has said it back i doubt it i don't think so yeah why wouldn't if she said it back who knows well it used to be the rules that you don't say anything that the lead does this always be like yeah thanks for you know telling me how you feel and i'll let you know at the end kind of thing but they have broken the rules obviously with ben saying you know i love you to two women and that kind of opened up pandora's box of it being an option and then was it rachel who told tino now they kind of opened up Pandora's box of it being an option. And then was it Rachel who told Tino? Now they've kind of been giving it away.

But maybe she doesn't want to say it to multiple people because of what happened with Clayton. Yeah, so you say it to the person you're going to pick. I think The Bachelor should be that nice bloke who just takes it on the chin all the time. Zach. Yeah, the one that didn't go to the hometown. She didn't meet the family.

Tyler. Tyler. You like him? I like that guy because he's just... So does Amanda. He's the't go to the hometown. She didn't meet the family. Tyler. Tyler. You like him? I like that guy because he's just. So does Amanda. He's the nicest human in the world. He's just like this. Oh, you did the right thing not seeing my family.

Thanks for that because that could have been way worse. And then he's like a mental. Oh, man, you two nailed it. And he feels genuine. I know. I don't think it's genuine. I think it's bullshit. He's going to be walked over his whole life, this fella.

Great TV. I don't believe it. I think he's smart enough to know he should say that. Yeah, you think so? Yeah, I could be wrong. I don't know anything about him. But when he was there, and just spending this time with you is so wonderful. And she's like, please stop talking.

Just stop talking. Stop it. It was brutal. Yeah, you got to keep going. She's like, please stop talking. Just stop talking. It was brutal. Yeah, you've got to keep going. Oh, gosh. Yeah, it was brutal. You can see the heart being ripped out of his chest and then just holding it. And then she eats it like an apple in front of him.

I don't think he's going to be her next bachelor, though, Amanda. I do think he's going to have a patch. I think he's going to be a paradise sweetie. He didn't have a... Did we see any previews't he didn't have a did we see any previous film in paradise that we don't have we haven't seen everyone i think the only people they really show is original cast and then guys from this season and people up but who do you think is going to be the robot you think it's gonna be night i think zack or nate maybe what about uh jason or johnny what about maple we haven't seen anything of johnny like if

they were gonna make johnny your bachelor i think i mean who knows i mean like again they made clayton the bachelor and that was a shocker but i could see if zach gets heartbroken like i expect him to be heartbroken because he seems to be super into rachel it's like it's that classic case of like all the other guys i think they like look at tino and Rachel and go, she's not picking me. And then there's Zach, who is the one guy who's not Tino, who thinks he has a shot with Rachel. Who would you pick out of Gabby and Rachel? I prefer Gabby as a bachelorette over Rachel. But for you personally, who would you rather date?

Neither. I mean, I'd rather date Gabby over Rachel. Gabby definitely has a personality in line with women I've dated. Yeah, she's more of a laugh. Yeah, Rachel. Rachel's fine. She's fine. I just don't know if I have it in me to make her happy.

Yeah, yeah. She's hard work, I think. Yeah. Not in a terrible, she's not a bad person. No, no. There's a lot of guys out there I think would be perfect for Rachel. you know i i don't think we're as compatible for rachel as we you know the same way i don't think she'd be into us i think she'd be into me i think she'd like me she might gabby would love me i think rachel would fucking hate me i i'd rather i think i'd like to date gabby's

grandfather the most oh my god although although when he came back on the show, he knew what his secret sauce was and he was playing it a bit too much. It was a lot. Can I just put it out there? I know like I'm going to probably get some heat for it. I'm over Gabby's grandpa. Oh no, no, he overacted on his last one.

His second appearance, I was like, all right, we get, yeah. It's just like, it was cute the first time. I don't need to see Gabby's grandpa anymore. It was good like it was cute the first time. I don't need to see Grant. It was good to see Putty on TV. I loved that. Yeah, thank you. That's why I wanted Zach to be the Bachelor. I wanted to see Putty.

Now I want my nephew to be the Bachelor just so I can appear on every episode. And Uncle Jim's here. What would you ask at hometowns? What would you ask at hometowns? How would you check in? Well, I'd say my nephew. My nephew's called Max. I'd go, Max, he's a special boy, and he loves with his full heart.

He does when he does. When he loves, he loves. I don't know anything about him. I can't quite remember his middle name. But are you here for the right reasons? Yeah, you're here for the right reasons. And, you know, engagement's a big step step and it's like once you get married it's forever or until it breaks up yeah engagements really aren't that big of a step oh i have no sympathy for people who get

divorced who don't have kids i don't give a fuck if you've got kids i feel for you because breaking up with kids it rips your heart out it rips your heart out and you try to do the best thing by the child you try to do the best thing by everyone and normally you've stayed a little bit too longer for the kids like they're terrible breakups but when someone's they just get married and then they go and my marriage didn't work out you're like no one no one cares it's just a breakup it's paper it's paperwork and maybe it's paperwork and you definitely like like you don't have to pay child support forever there's no custody battle there's like there is

the like we did say we love each other a lot and spend thousands and thousands of dollars oh it's embarrassing especially if you do it like six months after a big wedding. It's the worst financial choice of your life for sure. But... No one cares. Emotionally. Jim's not wrong. Yeah, yeah.

I see celebrities get divorced. They're like, no kids. Whatever. Who cares? It's a really expensive breakup. Yeah. But one you can totally move on from. Yeah.

Because if like... If when you break up with someone the whole knowing that you you know once you get over it you're like someday i'm gonna get over this and i will never have to see you talk to you i don't even have to think you exist but if you have kids that's just not possible me and my ex are as on good terms as anyone i consider her one of my best friends and I consider her family. We go on holidays and everything like that. My wife and her get along fine. Took a while to get there, though?

Yeah. We broke up. I was kind of smart about it, really. I could see that we weren't going to last two or three more years. The writing was on the wall. We could have muscled out two or three more years. I said, we should do it now while he's young and it's not going to destroy him and while we still like each other we should do it before we hate each other so we can all still get along and she was like i think you're right and i'll be like shook hands and that's great man you're the

lucky one of the lucky ones well I know we get along really well. She babysits my new baby all the time. Is she in a relationship? Not at the moment, but she's been in relationships since we broke up. She lives down the road from us. We all get along really well. I love her to bits. I consider her one of my best friends. That's great.

What's the secret to that? Other than breaking up right before you hit each other. Look, I haven't always been a great boyfriend in my life'm always i've always been a great ex-boyfriend i never i never say anything nasty about you know type of stuff and i've i've you know uh look i pay my child support on time and i do all the things that you need to do that that are sort of the the paperworky type things but but it's more work in we make it work because it's better for my son we we go out of our way to be nice to each other it's not to say that we never have arguments we do but we go out of our way to be nice to each other that's great speaking of uh someone who didn't feel like

he was treated nicely mario saying that gabby did him wrong oh yeah that was weird when he when. When he goes, he goes, he was doing all right. He goes, and I felt a little of this, and I felt a lot of that. And then the last sentence, you did me wrong. And then they had the whole conversation. Well, she shut him right down. She was just like, yeah, well, I felt you. They did me wrong, too.

So fuck you. There wasn't a conversation until too late of who you were here for. I wanted to feel chosen. But I mean, wasn't it kind of obvious he was there for Gabby? Because he was her first Impression Rose pick? Although I guess he- Well, that was kind of't it kind of obvious he was there for Gabby because he was her first impression rose pick? Although I guess he... Well, that was kind of the point

is that he got the first impression rose, which is, in that world, a big deal. And he still acted like, which is normal, but he still acted like he hadn't decided

who he likes yet. It was like, well, thanks, you like me, but I haven't decided. And in that world, it was a bold choice. It didn't work out, which, you know, I haven't decided. And in that world, it was a bold choice. It didn't work out, which, you know, I don't know if anyone did anyone wrong,

but I don't know if that's going to get you to fantasy sweet week. Fantasy sweet predictions. Dream week. Are there going to be multiple shagging? Because they can't really. After Clayton. After Clayton, they can't shag two people, let alone three. I think they can.

They just can't say I love you off the balcony as they're going home. Yeah, I don't know. That's a good point. That's a valid point. Different expectations for Bachelorettes for Bachelors. Well, we have all the sound bites and the teasers of the, you know, was Zach the one saying like it's a 180 after Fantasy Suites? So something happens with Zach where he experiences a 180.

We've also heard the clip from Rachel. Does that mean he hates Rachel then? We don't know. But we've also heard a clip from Rachel in a different teaser where she said he changed his mind after fantasy suites. So either that's Zach or that's someone completely different. I think that Rachel might be bad in bed then. Is that bad to say?

Because I've had girls I've been deeply into, really, really into, had sex with them and then gone, I'm good. And I'm sure you've had the other way. I'm sure you've had the other way, right? Where you go, because you find out very quickly if you're sexually competitive. Competitive?

Compatible. Sexually competitive could be fun that's the good stuff I ran into someone from this season on the streets what streets are you on? on the streets of the world

what I heard was I'm spoiler free and I was like I don't tell them anything and then I'm like is it a good was, cause I, you know, I don't, I'm spoiler free. And I was like, I don't tell him anything. And then I'm like, is it a good ending? And this person was just like, well, after what Rachel did,

it was a crazy, crazy ending. So this person said, Rachel did something that, so incredibly vague. I don't know if it's good or bad, if she'll look good or bad, but she did something. I don't know. Which caused Zach or bad if she'll look good or bad but she did something so i don't

know cause zach to have a 180 maybe but maybe she's just too much in bed maybe she just showed up in a dominatrix outfit and a whip and all this type of stuff and they're like ah or maybe she just told zach i'm not gonna pick up for the first time yeah i don't know but if it's zach who actually did the 180 and i don't think we can really believe anything from these super teases mind you but like he's obsessed with rachel so he would have to the opposite of obsessed is yeah well you would have to want to walk away so maybe he won't be heartbroken i don't know but i don't know you know zach's the front runner though tino is tino's the front runner there's just no world where she's not picking Tino. She's already decided.

She decided night one. Uh-huh. You reckon Ava will get a piece? You reckon he'll be having sex with her? I don't presume to guess what man will have sex with Rachel or Gabby. I'll tell you who's going to have sex. Tino's having sex. Tino's having sex.

Yeah. Zach's having sex. I don't know's going to have sex. Tino's having sex. Tino's having sex. Zach's having sex. I don't know. I think bad sex. I think bad sex. They don't all have sex. It's more common not to have sex than have sex. That's why I'm only saying two out of three.

And then Gabby's just going to have sex. I think Ava might have a better chance of having sex. Because it would be more like meaningless sex, I think Avon might have a better chance of having sex. Because it would be more like meaningless sex, I think. Yeah, because I think there's always like a couple of, usually, oftentimes the lead will have sex with two, not three. To like, you know, because three is like, well, I think you're just fucking everybody. But two is kind of like, well, I have to decide.

And I feel like this is just a hypothesis from what i know from conversations is that there's the i already know who i'm going to pick but i am the lead and like this if this all works out this will be the last person i get to like hook up with so they kind of fuck their like person they want to have like fuck you know it's it's more i think you have to have sex you have to have sex with all three of them to know for sure but they already know they're not going to pick people maybe someone could fuck it into you there might be someone like yeah i'm not going to pick this person just do it and then like you just fuck that into me yeah that was i might pick you did not expect

that out of you it's quite the skill well Gabby had also said on Clayton's season, she'd been very vocal about encouraging Clayton to explore all of his options. She did. Because she wanted it to come from a place of actually being chosen, being considered on all fronts. So I feel like it's very fair to expect Gabby

to hook up with multiple. Yeah. Yeah, good for her. Who do you think, okay, okay, who do you think has the best group of men? Who do we got? We got Jason, Johnny, and Eric. I feel like at least Rachel's men seem more,

they're all more unique to me. They all seem more different. Like the Johnny's and like when we still had Logan there, I'm like they all like they're the same. Really? They're all the same? That's how I feel about Gabby's men. Better. I don't know. i think they all seem fine i like i guess i like gabby's men better yeah not that nothing against rachel's men but i just feel

like rachel's men each bring something different to the table and with gabby's men i'd have trouble remembering even who's still there yeah but we just haven't seen as much of them. I don't know any of these guys. I'm like, who is Johnny? Yeah, Avin just seems like a nice guy, super handsome. I really don't know anything about Avin. Zach, we know, loves hard. His uncle's putty. And he once didn't like the way he looked,

and that changed. We know that. And then tino is tino's the best genetic representation of his family yeah yeah who like is a little you know a little crabby when he doesn't get roses and is in construction and it's kind of he's a surfer broke construction guy yeah you're like he's probably got a bit of money tino because he probably works in construction probably like i said a lot but he probably does all right for himself he's like a mid-20s like mid to late 20s guy yeah yeah he probably has more money than his peers yeah on the show because he's actually been working yeah yeah he's got a job and like rachel she's a pilot. What airline does she work for? Why haven't we seen Rachel fly?

She's a flight instructor, so she's not working as like- Don't you have to be a pilot? But have we seen Rachel fly a plane? Yeah, because Peter was- Because Peter, fuck me. Oh my God, every fucking episode. We did. If they could find a plane.

We've seen her fly? I thought we did in Clayton's season at the end. Like, she was the one flying the plane. Didn't she start the season by flying in and Gabby drives up in a car? Did I miss that? Okay, I'm sorry. I just feel like we saw it with Peter so much. We have a woman pilot, which is, you know, not as, it's against the stereotype, I guess,

in a very dominated profession. Oh, I thought you were going to say against God. No, that's good. Just a stereotype. God does not believe in you. I was wondering when you were going. Which isn't natural. You would think that the show would showcase that more, you know?

I think so, yeah. Maybe she'll fly to her proposal. But maybe she doesn't see, like, Pete used to think planes used to get, like, women going. He used to get in a plane and then just point out the window. We're going over here. If it's anything similar to driving, I feel like the men would criticize. Do you know what I mean?

I just feel like men are a lot more likely in a heterosexual relationship to criticize their girlfriends driving. I could imagine Rachel getting in the plane and one of the guys being like, oh, actually, you want to do that differently? You think a guy would mansplain how to fly a plane? I think they would literally mansplain flying a plane to rachel i'm i'm sure some would all right i'll tell you my worst mansplaining episode that i've ever had so we have the baby and when my wife's trying to breastfeed this is in the first week we have the baby we bring the lactation specialist over and the lactation specialist goes you bring the the baby to the boob not the boob to the baby and you

do this and you pinch it like this and all that stuff and then the baby started latching on and all that type of stuff and then as soon as lactation specialist goes my wife goes no he stopped latching on and i could see that my wife wasn't quite doing what the lady said to do have you ever mansplayed breastfeeding oh that's a delicate minefield to fucking walk down. I was like, yeah, she said bring the baby to the boob, not the boob to the baby, and you're bringing the boob. I'm like, if you just sit still, I reckon I can get him. And so I held the baby as my wife sat still,

and I just brought him over, and he latched on, and I didn't want to do what I told you, so oh, that's a tough one. him over and he latched on and i didn't want to do i told you so oh that's a tough one so even now i'm telling you this earnestly you're still looking at me like did that really happen is that what really happened i believe it happened yeah no i was thinking about a story that i heard on a podcast once where they ended up like they had recently had a baby she was still breastfeeding they went to like a family party ended up deciding that they were gonna spend the night there and so like they both like started drinking unable to drive and she forgot the breast pump at home and like did not know what to do and

was in a ton of pain because like she needed to get the milk out of her boobs and boobs got messy her her husband had to get him out oh yeah, he had to suck it out. Yep. Oh, what? It's very sweet tasting. I feel like every husband's tried it. Oh, no, everyone's tasted it. Yeah, yeah. It's meant to be so good for you.

Cancer patients pay a lot for breast milk because they reckon there's so much stuff in it like that. And so people sell it off for quite a lot of money. And then if you get the stuff early on with the colostrum, which is just like, it's just this yellow type of stuff in the first few weeks, that's like the high potency breast milk. But if it's sitting there on the counter, it's going to be thrown out. It's about the,

cause it only lasts an hour in the outside world. Get those nutrients, I guess. I chuck it back like a shot. I've done it many times. Yeah. Yeah. Of course.

Why wouldn't you? Sounds gross. I didn't even drink it out of my mother mother so i don't want to drink it out of anyone else i feel like it's you can convince me if i had enough of nutrients that i it's less gross than cow's milk like if you know it's it's human to human milk it's what we're meant to drink i was born lactose intolerant so my mother never gave me gave me breastfed me either they didn't believe in it in the 70s really in the 70s in the 70s there was a period in the 70s where they believed that science had gotten come so far that formula was far better than breast milk and then they started to figure out they went oh no actually breast milk is better but they thought they'd

manufactured a product that was better so you got got Tina winning. Who do you think? I think she picks Eric. I think Eric, yeah. She has to pick Eric. You can't keep them around after that story and then break up with them. You're a dick. After the dad.

Yeah, if Gabby broke up with Eric after Fantasy Suites or even Runner Up, then she's a real dick, right? Yeah. I would want someone to date me, though, just because I had an ill parent. I get the whole, like, he made a real dick right yeah i would want someone to date me though just because i had an ill parent like i get the whole like he made a real big sacrifice to be there and no but she could there's a point is she would let him home right yeah right then and there she'd be like oh your dad's dying uh i like you know jay yeah if eric was her second or third favorite he's going home at hometowns but it's not 100

and i just mean if she really thinks at that point if she really thought she was going to choose him and then for whatever reason once she like fantasy suites whatever else happens what does eric do for a living i know he has a cute mullet what does he do besides that i think is it was a real estate or something or and she's a nurse right yeah and we haven't had her icu nurse we haven't had her doing any nursey stuff where is the group date where all the men have to work on the resuscitate someone and bring a trolley through and what those defibrillator yeah yeah or the group date where you're all going to be my air stewards on the plane yeah where was the nursing date yeah you know yeah they do? Yeah. They do those things.

They had on Peter's season, they had all the girls dressed up like trolley dollies. For lack of a better term. Flight attendants, yeah. When it's a pilot, they always have a female flight attendant candidate. I would love to see a male flight attendant. Yeah, why do they have a flight attendant?

A male flight attendant. They exist. They exist, yeah. They're awesome. Every single one I've met, I'm like, I want to know your story. I want to know how you got here. Yeah, go to Southwest. There's tons of entertaining straight male flight attendants.

The male flight attendants also are so much better with drinks and stuff too. Those are the ones where they're like, do you mind if I make you my signature? I do find them to be a little more friendly. I used to do a joke years ago about how on the airlines now, it's like when you watch those movies like Catch Me If You Can, and everyone's got their hair perfectly done and their buns and all this stuff the high heels and these skirts and all that it's like none of those people have retired like all air steward and stewardesses are in their like 80s now they're all stumbling around like

and they're still they're still doing the makeup every day they're wearing heels like they still got it catch me if you can they're all every day. They're wearing heels. They still got it. Catch me if you can. They're all every day. They're just like, where am I going today? It looks like a fucking tough job though. Town to town. I agree. Not for me. I don't envy it.

Having to tell people over and over again, you can't put your backpack in the overhead compartment. You can only put your wheelie bag. Everyone's a nightmare. Everyone's the worst version of themselves when they're flying. I get in the 60s. was glamorous we're like we're flying this is amazing we used to like take wagons and everyone had a good mood about it it was an event and now everyone's like fuck you know back then you know back then the the air stewardesses in

the 60s weren't allowed to have boyfriends or or husbands they had the southwest got sued because of this because they said we were the love airline and they would only hire like hot young women and then there was a lawsuit against them where they were like being hot is not an essential function of this job so it's hiring discrimination yeah it was like it was like uh a man should be greeted by a single girl with a drink as soon as he sits on the plane that was the policy wow that's crazy the labor laws must must back then must have been just nothing could you imagine saying that you have to be single oh yeah yeah are you single what do you look like wear this turn around nuts jim always a pleasure please let the people know where they can find you remind them of your podcast a podcast call i don't know about that and that's uh that's where you find all good podcasts and

then for my tour dates um go to jimjeffries.com and then if you're in toronto i'm i'm recording a new special for netflix in november i think november 4th or something like that but i've got like three gigs in toronto so we want those gigs to be sold out because we're recording a new special. November, should we try to go to a team trip to Toronto? Hell yeah. Road trip. Road trip. It's going to be a blast.

I like Toronto. I haven't gone there enough. Like the specials are always good because, you know, although you're only doing an hour, you're not doing like an hour 40 like you normally do or something like that. But the crowd's always more pumped because there's that little bit of you that thinks you might be seeing yeah you're just a little bit more yeah you're laughing over the top like yeah this is the funniest guy i've ever met uh you get a standing ovation coming out because there's a

guy before that tells the audience to do that that's nice All the insider trends. Yeah. Do you usually do two specials? I record, I'll do two shows in a night and then I'll record them. But I've had like one special, I don't drink anymore, one special where the first edit went really good.

And then I like, I had an hour off in between shows and I got a little bit too drunk in that hour. And you can tell when the joke, well, I can tell when a joke spliced in from the drunk show to the sober show you know what I mean like it's quite obvious

your eyes are glazed over and also my hair is like just matted down against my head and I'm sweating more all that type of stuff is he okay? well we always appreciate to have you on come back anytime thanks for listening guys don't forget to send in your questions.

Tomorrow, the Lady Gang will join us for Going Deeper. I want to spend a lot of time talking about the Olivia Wilde of it all. That story's wild to me. Ah, that one. Did you hear that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, is Shia LaBeouf in the wrong? Is she in the wrong?

He had the receipts, and it's just like, yeah, Shia LaBeouf might be a bad guy, but he didn't get fired. She was, like, bagging him. it's not a good look Olivia and then like I feel bad because people like hate her just because she's dating Harry Styles and it's just like you know but I also want to defend Olivia because I want Harry on this podcast it's just I mean it's a complicated story we'll get into coming on the heels of the whole custody thing like Olivia Wiles has probably had way too much goddamn press yeah anyways we, we'll talk about it tomorrow. Thanks for listening. Bye.