The Viall Files - E475 Going Deeper with Camille Kostek - Dating The Gronk, Gisele & Tom plus Leo

Episode Date: September 15, 2022

Welcome back to another episode of The Viall Files, Going Deeper Edition! Today we have a very exciting episode where we welcome model, host, and actress, Camille Kostek! On this episode we dive into making it in the modeling world without an agent, the true value of self love, the difference between being cocky and confident, and why it’s important to believe in what you want to do. We also talk relationships, where Camille opens up about her relationship with Rob Gronkowski. We dive into having a relationship in the public eye, having a partner that’s your best friend, and managing ego in relationships. We also talk some pop culture news, by diving into fan reactions to Gisele Bundchen missing Tom Brady’s game, what you would put on your dating resume, and Leo Dicaprio stating that he had his eyes on Gigi Hadid. We then welcome on our texting office hours caller who wants help shooting her shot with a fun guy she met at a bar during a birthday party. After this guy leaves on a meditation vacation, she wonders when it’s the right time to check in on their planned ice cream date, without disrupting his zen.  “You can have a lot of priorities but I need to be a priority too!” Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes.  If you would like to get some advice on Office Hours send an email to [e-mail] with “Office Hours” in the subject line!  Be sure to check out my sports radio show Fandemonium, Wednesdays @ 3PT / 6 ET  on Amazon's Amp app.  Click the link to download Amp using my code NICKVIALL https://apps.apple.com/us/app/amp-host-live-radio-shows/id1586403838 Pre-Order Nick’s Book: https://www.abramsbooks.com/product/dont-text-your-ex-happy-birthday_9781419755491/ Check out our new "Introvert" merch at http://www.viallfiles.com today! THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Everlywell: Everlywell is offering a special discount of twenty percent off an at-home lab test at http://www.Everlywell.com/viall. Framebridge: Get started today - frame your photos or send someone the perfect gift. Go to http://www.Framebridge.com and use promo code VIALL to save an additional 15% off your first order. Episode Socials:  @viallfiles @nickviall @camillekostek See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

what's going on everybody welcome back to another episode of the vile files going deeper edition i'm still in new y York because I like fashion. We have a great episode for you. The one, the only, Camille Kostick is with us. Good friend, friend of show, big Basher fan. Just coincidence,

but we won't be talking about that. We'll be talking about pop culture stuff, her life, her relationships. She's been in a loving relationship with Rob Gronkowski for some time now.

Maybe she has some tips and tricks with us, for us. I know she does. She shares a lot. It's great. You'll love this episode. Oh, by the way, I got a book coming out.

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And then you'll have it ready to go on October 4th when it comes out. Anything new with you ladies? I feel googly-eyed. My boyfriend got me flowers after picking me up from the airport. And so I'm feeling, I feel like I finally crossed the threshold

where I'm definitively comfortable being ugly in front of him. Or like I've stopped noticing it. Were the flowers in the car or were they waiting for you at home? It was like we went to, he picked me up from the airport. Then we went to the grocery store to just like get something to make like a quick little dinner. And they got me flowers there. Okay, pretty good.

Was there an answer that you thought was preferable, more impressive? No, I just was like, I was thinking selfishly for myself i always had them waiting at home or something like that but i was curious if he wanted to bring the flowers to the airport i wasn't sure what his what his move was i don't know if there's a right or wrong but no i think it was very spontaneous like i don't think he'd been like planning on doing it but it was i did just kind of realize because i feel like it's after after the first like several dates especially if you stay over at someone's house and you's after after the first like several dates especially if you stay over at someone's house and you see them in the morning like you definitely get to the point

where it's like okay I know you're not seeing me at my best all the time but like recently taking care of your dogs because I like there was one day where he came over and I realized I hadn't looked in the mirror all day and that I didn't care about that and that was just like a huge moment of like oh wow like we're at this point in the relationship. It takes me a while to get there with people. Do you think you're still in the honeymoon phase? I think, well, I met his family. I met like his aunt and uncle and a bunch of his cousins who live in the L.A. area. And so I think in that regard, there's like all this exciting newness. And we're going to go to one of my friends invited me to her wedding this coming

October that we're going to go do together in Joshua Tree. So I think we're still having those like milestone experiences that feel very like honeymoon. Ooh la la. But in terms of day to day life, I don't think we're in the honeymoon phase. That's awesome. Good work. I'm happy for you. Because I feel like I was just like very I feel like I was just trying to like be like I want to vet this 100% before I let myself feel too out of control. And I feel like I've just

gotten to a point where it feels really comfortable not having to assert a high level of control. He's just really awesome. He's very funny and awesome. I'm boring and googly-eyed. You still think you're still obsessed with each other? Obsessed? Yeah. I don't know. I don't think he was ever obsessed with me.

Like, I don't think that, yeah. It was never like an all-consuming phrase. I don't mean like in an unhealthy way. I just mean like a mutual, like, true excitement that you both feel for each other. Which, ultimately, I think that's the honeymoon phase. It's just like this kind of carefree excitement. You know, even past, like, the getting comfortable

with each other and meeting family and things like that. i to me i kind of think the honeymoon phase is over when all of a sudden you're just you're still in love but like you start like instead of seeing them and immediately getting excited because it's you know you're obsessed in an exciting sort of way you might get annoyed you know and then after the annoyance of whatever it is that annoys you about them, you're like, oh, I still love you. You start seeing an annoyance rather than you see this like person

who can do no wrong. I don't know. I think to me, maybe the biggest indicator of like ending the honeymoon phase is that I no longer, if I don't feel like a sense of like real enthusiasm or passion for him to be spending time with me, I now have the larger context of being like like he had a really long day at work today.

And I now like know a little bit like I know more flavors of him. Like I'm not just getting the flavor of like that. We're seeing each other and it's exciting. Like kind of like you were saying about the honeymoon element where it's like, ooh, like butterflies where I've gotten to the point where it's like, oh, sometimes we spend time with each other. And it's not like we're super raw, raw. Let's go hang out. Like it's just nice seeing someone who's like kind of tired or mildly annoyed. Like he's definitely seen me be kind of like slightly bitchy, like just those kind of like shades of like being human. Yeah. All right. Well, we have a great episode for you. Don't forget to pre-order the book. Don't text your ex happy birthday.

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It's actually kind of wild. I don't remember how many years ago it was. That we met? That we've met. I've known you for maybe three some years. The first time I met you was at, it was briefly, it was at the Maximum 100 party. Oh, it was? Yeah, because it was right after like Jason, tardik and then we're coming off the show

and and obviously i know you knew jason because he's friends with your your boyfriend rob and he was like oh you gotta meet camille like he's dating he's dating rob jason's so great jason's really nice a ball of positivity and then we met briefly and then uh then we met some other event um venice beach i was say, was there like a volleyball? Like something was going on. Model volleyball. That's what it was. Model volleyball.

Yeah. I forgot about that. There it was. Model volleyball. That sounds just like it is. How have you been? I've been good. This is kind of what I really, truly believe in alignment.

So I think this was like meant to be that we ran into each other at a show. And then you were like, want to come on my podcast? Because I had DM'd you a while back. And I was like, you should come on the podcast because I had never had you on. I would remember if I saw that. So I must have seen it. I don't think you saw it. You didn't respond.

And it didn't say seen. Then I did not see it. I was a little offended. No, it's fine. Obviously, because you're doing great things out there. So I got to have Camille lunch. And then I know you're an open book and it's fun to talk to people who are. And then I saw you because I was like literally going to that show and I was like, oh, fuck, I need to find.

And like I was just like, I wanted to find a New York guest. Yeah. And then I ran into you. And then I walked in and literally you led with, hey, good to see you. What are you doing on Monday? Camille, so here you are. And I was like, I don't know hey, good to see you. What are you doing on Monday? I was like, I got to have a good meal. So here you are. And I was like, I don't know if I want to give availability. I'm scared.

What is going on? You looked a little hesitant. You were just like, why? It's like when someone texts you that you haven't talked to in a while. It's like, are you available on this date? And it's like, I'm going to say no if it's to go to a wedding. But it's yes if it's like you want to kick back and watch a movie and eat popcorn. It's like when someone's like, oh, will you do me a favor? And it's like, it's like you want to kick back and watch a movie and eat popcorn it's like when someone's like oh will you do me a favor and it's like what's the favor because it's like if they don't leave with what the favor is you know there's something

well and that's the thing I think people don't do that especially for me because they know that I'm already pretty bad at answering but then if they really ask for a favor I don't want to do you really won't hear from me well you're here and we're happy. We did it. We're both here for New York Fashion Week. What do you think of New York Fashion Week? It's my first time at a New York Fashion Week in some time. Your thoughts? I took a break, actually. My thoughts, I've been doing it for a couple of years, but, you know, as you start to climb up the ladder and with like your brand and career, you know, you get invited to more things um the more visibility you have on social media especially now i don't know if you've noticed i feel like it's like tiktok nation galore it's a

lot yeah and i just it's it's pretty cool i start to you start to find like your niche and like i have decided that i am the type of girl that wants to seize all the opportunities say yes to everything but it burns you out and then it doesn't make it fun anymore. It does. It's got to have, because like, I like fashion, but not in a... I know what you mean. I know what you're saying. You know, like you realize when you go to fashion week, just how, how fashionable fashion week is. It's an interesting week, right?

Because it's like, it's, it made me, it makes you appreciate the arts. I will say, like, I was thinking about it because obviously like fashion week, like by nature is such a privileged event in a sense that like it's just you know to like even have the time or energy or resources to invest in anything related to like fashion and art you know because fashion is art like it's like by definition like you must it's like it's first world problems to be able to care about art i suppose but like it also like makes you appreciate like the need for art i suppose is because there's always such an energy with at these things and i find that in this week you just have so many different people from so

many different walks of life all kind of coming together i know it sounds a little corny but like that's that's an energy I felt. No, truly. And it's a lot of other artists and creators, literally creators, a lot of social media creators, but also other people who aspire to be designers or aspire to be models or,

you know, there's just, there's so many. And I think what's so cool about going to these things, like I ran into a couple of girls that I've seen in fashion weeks in the past or that I've had conversations with where, you know, we would talk about like our hopes and wishes and dreams and how cool it was to even be, you know, try to get into a show. I used to try to sneak into shows like, yeah. And, um, actually my, one of my very first fashion weeks, I think

it was in like 2016. I went, I was standing in line with my Sports Illustrated Swimsuit magazine, Sports Illustrated Swimsuit during the February fashion week, did a pop-up and did a signing and a meet and greet and like this big like event appearance presentation situation. And I stood in line in the rain with my magazine, hoping to have like all the rookies like sign my magazine and take pictures with me. it's just it's kind of cool to see how far it's come and then um you know for those who don't know i finally made my way into the modeling industry without an agent i couldn't get signed um so i really had to like really gave my own path no i didn't get signed before i was in sports illustrate swimsuit and

then even when i was yeah i I landed the cover with no agent. And then that's when it started. You get that one big yes. And then people are like, who are you? What's your name? And what do you do? You didn't have an agent that whole time? No.

So it was really cool now to go to, you know, we just had, it was my fifth year appearing in the magazine. We just had a launch in New York City a couple months ago. And it's really wild to, you know, now do press. And I was doing a lot of, I was doing like the live correspondence. And now I get to host for them. And just all my worlds are colliding and my dream jobs and everything I've hoped and dreamt of has come to fruition. And now we get invited to cool shows at Fashion Week. We don't have to sneak in.

And cool podcasts. And cool podcasts. And cool podcasts. What was your key to success? I mean, what was one thing, I'm sure you did a lot of things, but for someone who didn't have an agent

and obviously a passion and desire and a dream to model and do what you've accomplished in, you know, Sports Illustrated, that's like, I think that feel like

that's top five, top ten at least of like things you could do on like the modeling stage. Like, you know, that like that's top five, top 10, at least of things you could do on like the modeling stage. Like, you know, that's a very prestigious publication. What was your key to success to getting to the top, especially as someone who had who got so many no's, even from representation? Because honestly, in entertainment, those truly are the gatekeepers. You can have all the talent in the world, whether you're a musician or you're an actor, any type of artist. And if you don't have representation, they truly can be the

gatekeepers. And yet you are someone who clearly bucked that trend, so to speak. What do you attribute that to? I think that you will be able to relate to this and anyone who has followed this, it's going to sound really cliche and like some positive affirmation bullshit, but I just believed in myself. Like you can have your friends hyping you up. You can have your parents hyping you up, your significant other, whatever. But if you don't truly to your core believe that what it is that you want is what you're meant to do, it is so red. It is so felt, especially in an industry where you literally have to show up in person and appear as you are. And like it's – everything's energy. You're going to hear me say that a lot.

Like take a shot every time I say energy because I'm going to say it a lot of times. But I believed in myself. And, you know, self-doubt would creep in and, you know, low self-esteem moments and things, especially since it's an industry driven by your body image and the way that you look and present yourself. things, especially since it's an industry driven by your body image and the way that you look and present yourself. And I have not and will never be that tall Amazon woman, which is exciting to be at Fashion Week and slowly but surely start to see that change. So a lot to go. But yeah, I just every room I walked in, even if they said no, or even if I already had like the head shakes or like the what is she doing here? Like you're not going to get signed or you're not, you know, whatever it is, even, even trying to pursue my hosting aspirations and goals and like the sports

world where, you know, they would see simply a girl with blonde hair and blue eyes and be like, what does she know about sports? You know, like you just have to hold your head up high and know, like, I'm passionate about this. I love it. And I want to do big things. And I think then I would say tied with number one, if not number two, would be finding something you're passionate about and being like, what is your why? What's the purpose behind that? It's one thing to want it and have bragging rights and, you know, make the money. But it's what's deeper and sustainable is knowing your why.

What's your why? My why is when I looked at the Sports Illustrated magazine when I was like 15 years old, you know, surface level, someone would be like, oh, you aspire to be a model on a magazine page. No, no, no. These women, when they cast, MJ Day, the editor-in-chief at Sports Illustrated, wants to know who you are, what are you about, and what's your why. So my why is I'm a woman who has, I want to do it all. I don't want to be put in a box. When I see these women on the pages that did something for me, it was like, oh, they're raw and they're real. It was like the first time that I saw like hips and thighs in a magazine, that I saw freckles. I didn't see all the Photoshop and everything has to be just so

and just right and high and tight. It was real to me. And that spoke to me at such a young age. And it still did to this day. And to be that woman amongst the pages that someone can relate to and be like, I feel comfortable in a swimsuit now. I can buy a bikini or I can wear that bikini in the beach or I feel this certain way. Or just being able to see an image and feel like you can be celebrated is one is a win for me and then on top of it you get a voice I didn't walk you in a portfolio I was not like this established model when I met MJ for the first time and she said what else do you love to do in life and I said I love to host and I love to meet people and tell their stories so now I am a model and a host. And I took my platform and capitalized on that, um, French

and sports illustrated. And you know, their platform is millions and millions of subscribers and viewers. And I started the own it tour where I go to universities and I talk to kids about manifesting your life, stop limiting yourself, get out of your own way and go for what you want because I'm no more capable than anybody else to do what you want with this life. Yeah. I love that. And believing yourself, it does sound sometimes corny and cliche, but I will say it does resonate with me. And maybe it's just from my mom giving me confidence, but I'm very grateful for what I've accomplished. I know I've worked hard, all those things. But every once in a while, I think to myself,

I really needed to have some like almost delusional belief in myself. Yeah, no truly. You know, like you sometimes have to like, you really have to like, there has to be something in you that believes that you can do it. It's gonna take hard work

and it's gonna take rejection and it's gonna take a lot of people telling you no. And yeah, it's sometimes, I'm sure you have those moments too when you reflect back and realize how like when you start appreciating where you are. And like if you ever like do the good thing where you are actually being present, which I struggle with doing. But it often makes you go, I can't believe that all worked out. I know. Because you don't stop.

You just snowball and everything. It's just all happening. But yeah, it really takes that kind of belief of like, I can do this. It really does. And it's not like, I think it's a compliment when people are like, you're so obsessed with yourself. Fucking thank you. Thank God. Do you know how long that took?

You know how long that took? Self-love is a journey for a reason. A journey for a reason. Because it never stops you're right though it's it's such a challenge though because you know my whole life i've uh have had a lot of debates with people between what's the difference between cocky and confidence you know for some people they have a hard time you know distinguishing it you know some people might like oh they're cocky or maybe they just believe in themselves and people often project their own insecurities and accuse people of being cocky when they're confident. And people can be cocky. I've certainly been cocky before.

But yeah, you have to believe in yourself to get things done, even at the risk of maybe rubbing people the wrong way because you have a belief in yourself they may have yet to find in themselves yet. And that can be a struggle this time because we all want to not be we don't want to step on people's toes we we want to have humility we we want to recognize our privilege uh when it comes to certain aspects but like it is okay to believe in yourself and and know that you can do something as long as you're willing to do the work um Truly. And, yeah, it can be a struggle because you will, your critics will meet you with, you know, you're obsessed with yourself or you're cocky.

Listen, if you don't have critics, you're not doing it right. You're not doing it right, yeah. You're not speaking up. You're not doing anything. That's totally true. I invite it. I don't like it. I have a question which is in approaching dating life, you know,

I think dating a model is such a thing in culture like we see with like Leo. And part of that has to do with ages. But like he only dates these models. And I'm curious for you having a profession that makes you kind of this coveted, almost top of the top in some regards in a dating world. Like how does that influence your approach to getting to know people or the way that you trust them in a dating scenario? I have to say, I feel like I have not been on the dating scene in so long. You're calling it a robin together now? Okay. We have been together. I love that this is a dating show because you all will understand this, but we met in 2013. At the end of 2013, at a charity event. 2013? I know I i was a cheerleader so if you do the math i was going against my contract whoops oh but you were a cheerleader for the patriots right

i was truly i was a cheerleader for the patriots while rob was a player for the patriots and then we did a thanksgiving goodwill charity event and i was signed up to you know put in my time and I wanted to spend my holiday in giving back to less fortunate and so did he so we met there well we didn't meet meet we saw each other and locked eyes a couple too many times and then he wrote his number on the back of a cheerleading poster and gave it to an alumni Patriots player, Jermaine Wiggins. Shout out Jermaine. He remembers this too. He actually has a radio show. I think he's talked about it before in the past. And he gave it to me and said, give this guy a call. Actually, no, he said, Gronk wants your number. And I said, that's not allowed. He goes, he had a feeling you were a

rule follower. So he wrote his number on the back of this poster. So do what you want with it. So I think it might've been his name tag that he stuck like I said like hi my name's Rob Gronkowski and he stuck it on the inside of a poster they folded it up because it's like it's like a Romeo and Juliet story like you can't talk to the other side like you know so and then it made you want to even more and then we just I had gotten out of a really bad breakup and I just wasn't ready to date again but Rob and I were just like had so much fun together. And then it was one of those relationships where like, I wasn't ready to like, hook up and like, I wasn't mentally there. I had been cheated on and I wasn't ready to get out of that relationship.

It was, I was like forced out, if you will. Like I was, I was like, I know I can't go back, but I wasn't ready. So it was really bad heartbreak, depression situation. And then I met Rob and we had so much fun. Like he was, I was, oh, my God, you're so you make me laugh. You make me forget about what time it is, what you know, what day it is. And then that was like the recipe for success. We became really good friends. I didn't want to hook up. He was like, what the fuck? I think I want to marry you or date you. And then we had a date quietly. And then it's 2022 now. So 2013 to 2022, we've had our ups and downs

like most long relationships too. Yeah, well, that's the thing I was going to ask you because you've been in a relationship with some time. Relationships of any kind take work, ups and downs. You guys have a relationship

in the public eye. He's an incredibly famous athlete. You have become an incredibly famous model. I'm sure that has its benefits, but it also has its challenges. What would you say is your key to your success in your relationship in terms of how do you work through the lows? And then also how do you guys handle some of those kind of ancillary stresses that come with being in the public eye that a lot of people don't have to deal with? Wow, that's a loaded question. I don't even know where to begin. How do I get through the lows? Yeah. I mean, what's something that maybe, I'm assuming there's gotta be at least one or two things that you guys, that you know,

if you're together this long, if you work together, you guys- No, totally. I know exactly. Like how you guys are resolving conflict or work through it to even avoid conflict in the first place because that to me one of the biggest keys of any relationship is working through your problems because problems are inevitable and they're going to happen and and how do two people do that because and i don't know i don't know rob at all i know you a little bit but like you know the more successful the more beautiful the more ego you might have. It also can be it can be a trigger for couples, right?

The harder they fall, so to speak. So how do you guys avoid those pitfalls, knowing that you guys can run that risk of trying to live up to even your own expectations of this kind of picturesque relationship? We definitely don't avoid those downfalls like we've had them and we've had breakups through this. And I will say to go back to your question, there have been times that I was actually single at the height of my modeling career, but that was just it. I almost felt like there was this roller coaster of like if my career was on a high, my relationship, my dating life was on a real, like a low, like me and my boyfriend, me and Rob weren't at our best, but it allowed me to really like, it's, there's so much truth to like pour into you. Like, don't just go date. Don't just like get out there and date. Like, it starts with you. Everything, here's the word, energy. Everything's a frequency. How you feel on the inside is what you start to attract outside when it comes to

workplace, career, money, abundance, health, love, everything in all aspects of your life. Pour into yourself. Everything that happened in my career, 2017 was the year that I finally said, fuck it. And I moved to LA and I went out, made my audition tape for Sports Illustrated swimsuit. And from that, and I was in a really bad space personally, low self-esteem, struggling with body image, struggling with my relationship, but oh, no coincidence there. Everything was on a low vibration. So was everything else reflected in my life. I didn't know what I was doing with my job. I didn't know what I was doing with my love life. I didn't know what I was doing with myself. I didn't know. I didn't know. And all I knew was I wanted to move to LA and I wanted to start going

somewhere and doing something and using my voice and being at my best and highest potential. And I moved to Los Angeles with no plan, but just faith in that belief in self that I was capable of doing anything that I really wanted to. And I was holding myself back and I just went for it. But. And that was like on a break that you guys were having. Yeah. Yep.

Well, I love that you like, you know, it's hard to do like so many people on those breaks or breakups and what we always talk about is. You got to move. It's the best time to invest in your. You got to move different. Not physically. Investing yourself. At the end of the day, it's like whatever you're going to do,

take that energy that you talked about because it's so easy to waste the energy that we do have on emotions and feelings that we can't control, like missing someone or wanting to fix something that might not be fixable or especially if maybe it's just a break or time apart is what's necessary. But when I started to move differently and think differently and started doing things for myself, I mean, what a feeling. It was the first time that I felt what euphoria was like. Like this buzzing out-of-body experience when I found out I was on the cover,

when I found out I was a rookie for Sports Illustrated Swimsuit with no help in that industry. You know what I mean? Like just me, myself, and I, the first phone call I make was to my mom. And again, was it a coincidence that all of a sudden Rob was ready to, you know, be a better person for our relationship when, you know, everything was starting to feel good and I was happy and I was like, I don't need him. That's when they come back. Every time. gave you because we are i'm a tough critic people always say like you're not the exception to the rule i don't believe in not believing your exception to the rule i believe in trying to be the exception to the rule but being honest with

yourself if you're taking risks you know what those risks are and one of those risks is often getting back with an ex because generally i believe that like listen if it didn't work out the first time there's usually reasons why and sometimes we just need to accept that as sad as we might be. But you guys took a break. You broke up. You got back together. And then obviously you painted a very, I think, relatable story, especially for people who do choose and find that strength to invest in themselves. Things turn around for the better.

Yep. But then when they start to come back. Yeah. You're like, I did all this. How did you feel safe enough to trust, whether it was him or just the relationship, that things would be different? And what was the thing that actually made you believe that it was different after you got back together? Because that's not the norm. The norm is you get back together mostly out of fear of something different or you don't have the

patience to see it through. You get back together and maybe you have a short honeymoon phase again, but eventually the same problems come up. What was different about you guys? I'll tell you what, the hardest part was going. The hardest part was saying, this isn't for me anymore. I feel stuck. I'm not happy. You're not happy you know i'm gonna i'm gonna i gotta go my six-month lease out in los angeles because we were living together at the time everything was moving like slow but fast if that makes sense we were dating while i was a cheerleader for a couple years and then um we i was going to school full-time in connecticut and then i was like living with after practices i would go my you know how it goes the toothbrush and then I was like living with after practices, I would go in my, you know,

how it goes, the toothbrush and then the clothing, like I start having a side of the closet, like it starts moving in. So that's what makes it harder. Like when it's time to be like, I got to like get out, like I got to pack everything up, you know? And so I moved to Los Angeles, complete opposite side of the country. I was in Boston. And then, but then I started diving into myself and, you know, started working out regularly again and eating right and making my own food and doing things that are like even just making your own clean, healthy meals is a form of self-love. And that was making me feel better. And so, so let me get to the good part. When we broke up and I started moving differently in life and getting out of that like stuck phase.

And then when he comes, you know, I miss you. I want to see you. Let's talk. Here's what the best part about it is. You have nothing to lose anymore. You're out of the house. You already broke up. I always had a fear of communicating what was bothering me because I am someone who likes to avoid controversy and I will sacrifice my own happiness to make my partner happy. And I've always been that. I am not a serial dater. I just always have a serious relationship for years. I would say that I probably have had four serious relationships in my life that were like lasted years. And in all of them, I've changed now. You're grinded.

Yeah. Like I would be like whatever like that's a pal pick and choose my battles like no just talk open just talk oh like we're gonna get into a whole other thing like spirituality and stuff but like you're closing up your throat chakra blocked emotions trapped emotions start turning into things that are physical pain like you you literally if you're a girl whatever you whoever whoever's listening please speak up and talk about what's bothering you and your relationship check in yeah because it's it always has been good so when it came time to like see each other again you know of course like it's like it's kind of hot and steamy you know like you're kind of like good it's definitely fun

yeah like oh i've seen you've been doing well like and then you start acting like strangers when like it was like dude you were my best friend like like we used to shower together like why are we playing this game of like but like that's what happens you'll see each other for a while and then it starts to sit in of like but what have you been doing while i was gone you know and then it's like now i don't want you anymore. Who you been fucking? Kind of. Fast forward once we got back to before we got back together I was literally like this is what's bothering me this is what hurt me if we were to do this again like it wasn't all in one day but over time I'm putting in a nutshell I just really let him know you know things as simple as like when I go to a wedding, I don't want to go solo.

Like I know a lot of people, you know, pull you in every direction and whatever else. But if something that's important to me that my friends are like, I want you to come. I don't want to go solo to these things. I want to go out on more dates, you know, because that life I'm sure you know of getting off a season. Like if it's a Super Bowl winning season, even more people want, you know, photos with him or his autograph. And, you know, the year that SI came out, except I was the type of person like I love making people's day. But there's always a time and a place. But people don't really care a lot.

So it was just letting him know that, you know, doing letting him know the things that were important to me and not having fear attached to that. and not having fear attached to that. So yeah, it sounds like you felt more comfortable and secure to check in, which I think we talk a lot about on the show, which it's shockingly, it's crazy how many people I think relate to you, which is to be in a relationship and yet be afraid to check in

with the person they call their best friend or their partner, the person they fantasize with about or their partner the person the person they like fantasize with about you know playing house and like talk about their future and yet on a day-to-day basis they there's such hesitancy to like check in because we're so resistant to conflict we don't want to like shake the nest we don't want to like lose this thing but like every relationship there just can be that moment but like hey you know again like i'm not there's no accusation here i mean nally and i had a conversation not too long ago where i was just like hey i just wanted to check in i just was like feeling something i'm not even like saying

you're doing anything wrong i might be the sensitive one here but this is how i'm feeling and i just want to like figure it out which is like again it's something i had to learn to do i didn't always do yeah but very few people like check in relationships and like, it sounds like all you were checking in with Rob, you're just establishing expectations and boundaries. Like, Hey, I want, you have other priorities, but I need to probably be a priority too. And I think these busy people that can be a real struggle is like, you get pulled in different directions. You get, you meet new friends, you get new exciting opportunities and relationships that can feel weird, because you can sense your partner's excitement sometimes with with things and then i think they can make us feel a little like less important to them and sometimes if we feel less

important like it can like make us nervous right because it's like well is this like a temporary less importance or is this like you don't love me as much anymore and i think sometimes it's okay to just check in which we talk a lot about but it's it's here. It's good to hear how you live through that and getting back together because you have to feel like your partner's priority. Maybe not always number one, but you always got to feel like I'm a priority. And then when need be, they're going to be willing to say no to other things because at the end of the day, I just need to know that like I'm, I'm with someone who's willing to, to make these things. at the end of the day i just need to know that like i'm i'm with someone who's willing to to make these things because if not then like what do you have if

that person's not willing to step up in a time of need well and i started to notice too that you know when you're with your with when you believe you're with your person you should never feel like you're not being heard or seen or like feeling small. Like I know it's kind of like a trending thing. I feel like like people being like main character energy. Yeah, actually. Yeah, it's this is your life and you want to be surrounded by someone who's going to like make you feel better because and I am I am someone who says take full responsibility for your emotions and your feelings. Like if I'm pissed off about something, it is not Rob's problem. Even if I'm pissed off at him, where's that rooting from? Talk to him about it after

that conversation. If I still want to continue to be pissed off, that is not his fault. Vice versa. If he's in a bad mood and he's miserable and he wants to put it on me, I know damn well at this point, it's never going to be me. Just kidding. Maybe I've done something, but misery loves company. And this isn't just in relationships. This is in life. So if anyone's bringing you down on social media or saying mean things about you, just know happy and successful people don't bring other people down. It doesn't work like that. They're just unhappy with themselves. We talked about projection already. already but yeah be accountable for your own feelings talk through things but your reactions are you know the way you respond to things is up

to you but i would say you know we are how you feel things and how you respond to them are two different things which is people often i think confuse sometimes we feel we use our feelings as a justification to act a certain way. And I think people often get confused by those because we'll be like, well, I feel this and therefore that's why I did it. Yeah. Because you can say. That doesn't mean it's right. Yeah.

Well, yeah, I might help explain it, but I don't know if it's still okay. And that can be a challenge sometimes too. Yeah. So I think, yeah, to their point, like it's's really not it isn't your problem if the other person like it's your problem you have to care and help them work through their feelings definitely but yeah it's not necessarily we are in charge of our own feelings and then it's up to our partners if they want to to to work through it and get on the same page uh but i love that do you guys i'm assuming still are are checking in with each other even though all the time getting back together it is like like i mean, I mean, like you're, you're together,

but we're still checking in together. And we've in, in from, and after that first initial, like, this is what's bothering me, whatever things got so much better on both, on both sides of our relationships, things that we both didn't even know about each other. And I remember him saying, like, I feel a weight off my shoulder. Like, and it felt like it was like a two, like young Rob and Camille were like reborn. And like, here's the more mature version of us. And then we've done it again. And we're now in a space that feels, you know, my best friends have heard, you know, all this, all of the stories, all of the sadness and all the best times and all of the, you know, whatever the progress or whatever it may be. And there, and you know, if they'll be around us or talk to us on

FaceTime or the phone, you know, after the fact, I'll get that text or that voice note from my best friend being like, Camille, like you seem, you and Rahab seem so fucking happy. Like, and I am like he is my best friend for life and life just feels easy I think almost wow this is like a therapy session right now but I just think that it's hard being in a public relationship you know like it's just it's I guess my relationship for as public as it is it's like even talking about this thing publicly like I would it's a fear of mine to talk about it publicly, but I just know that like, it's okay. Like we are, we are so, this is who I am. You know, I like to share things. I like to be open. He may not be that way. I am. And I don't want to lessen, lessen or quiet, you know, that voice inside me of who I am, because I feel like I'm given a voice and given a platform and have this opportunity to share this because I hope that it does help someone

who's stuck or like needs a new redirection or something defined within themselves or the relationships. I hope that like being able to share this, even though it's so freaking hard. And I almost didn't want to come on the show like three times today. I kept checking in with Julie being like, should I do this? You know, I'm going to ramble, you know, I'm going to get personal. Um, so this is, this is hard for me, but at the same time, like it doesn't matter the status of like myself and Rob and the celebrity world. It's like, we're two human beings trying to figure it out and enjoy this life that we have. Do you think the emotion comes from, because what I'm hearing from you, so tell me if I'm right,

is like this like incredible appreciation from what you have. And like you talk about, I get the same way. Like when I talk about like my relationship, you know, and I've been through my own stuff, right? And then when you sit down and you really talk about like

your gratitude you have for the relationship, you and Rob had some breakups. But like I think if you've been hurt before in relationships, your gratitude you have for the relationship. You and Rob had some breakups. Yep. But like, I think if you've been hurt before in relationships, you don't take it for granted anymore. And I think sometimes when you take the time to show some gratitude and appreciation and to say it out loud, it's almost like you simultaneously, like you, like what I hear from you is this, like this appreciation, but like, you know what you've been through.

Yeah. Not only like you personally but you you and you and rob and to sit there and go i'm really happy or this is really good it's like it makes you feel really really good it's almost easier to be like yeah it's fucking sucks right now or you know fuck you or you know excuse my mouth my gosh sometimes it feels easier to come on and be like yeah screw your ex whatever but it's. But it's kind of like when you look in the mirror and you just look at yourself and you say, I love you, Camille. Or like, you know, if you were to look at yourself and say, I love you, it's hard. Like, it's hard to do that. So to be able to sit here and say and mean it that I am

like happy and that, you know, because there's so many times that I've honestly gone on air and doing press tours of things like, how's this? How'm like, it's great when really it's like probably a struggle back at home or or whatever it is, whether it's family, whatever it is. There's a lot of times that I've had to like put on a front. So to be able to just be like at this point in my life where I'm like, I don't care what people say. I don't care how people feel about me. This is who I am. This is what I'm dealing with. And now I've just shared a part of me that I've always kind of kept locked up. So, um, I'm really grateful that you have. And, um, no, but I'm really happy if I've like, I really can feel your appreciation for not only where you are, but where you've been. And it's really, it's, it's, I'm happy to see

how happy you are because I totally relate to the feeling you're, you're feeling right now. Um, makes me happy. No, 100. I really, I really, truly do. how happy you are because I totally relate to the feeling you're feeling right now. Good. Makes me happy. No, I really, I really truly do. I'm like, can you cry too

so we can, so we can make it. Other people crying makes me cry for sure. I felt it. When Rob cries, do you immediately get emotional?

What makes Rob sad? Like nothing. That's why, I'm like the cry baby in our relationship. It's like at this point, it's like the cry baby in our relationship it's like at this point it's like which cry is the real cry honestly i i think that was like one of my conversations with him before speaking of communication i was like i feel like you probably have like a lot of like

trapped emotions like you need to cry like we do reiki healing we do yoga together we meditate we pray we do we do a lot of grounding and i think that's what's also like, I don't know. It's just, you start, I have to say, I don't have pity parties for myself anymore. I used to have those a lot and be like, I'm sad. I'm going through this. Like, why me? Why me? The second I stopped doing that and being like, all right, there's a rejection.

You know, I didn't get this job or this show. I'm being redirected to something better or I'm meant to have this quiet time to ground myself and get myself motivated for the next best thing that's coming. You know, I started to change my perspective on life. So even getting out of relationship talk, just in general, in life, anything that's like a no or I'm late to something or whatever, it was supposed to be that way. I was being protected and guided for something. And I'm late to something or whatever. It wasn't supposed to be that way. I was being protected and guided for something. And I don't, I'm honestly rarely disappointed these days. And I mean that. You know, there's been a ton of media attention around Tom Brady and Gisele Bündchen. And I think Camille, you're in such a unique vantage point of really understanding some

of what it is like to date a football, not just a football player, but a football star. And I'm really curious for you, like how you're making sense of all this. Like most recently, Giselle tweeted support for Tom, but didn't go to his opening game. And there were reports that he left training camp in August for 11 days to go be with his family on vacation because their marriage, they were going through some tension, especially in the wake of his retirement. And I'm curious for you, like how you make sense of this and kind of the perspective that you have. For you, like how you make sense of this and kind of the perspective that you have. I actually remember reading like the headline of the tweet from I think it was like page six or something. And I didn't even go and read the article because I don't know their situation.

And I also know that the media definitely doesn't know. And I all everything is speculation there is stuff out on the internet that literally says that rob and i have been together since 2015 that's what you think if you believe everything you read on the internet you got problems for real it's not like like only you know like at their family their privacy and i actually think that they're a beautiful representation of how celebrities should treat the media. Ignore it. Like, just be with these, like, their family knows what they're going through better than anyone.

And honestly, it could be, it could, it could be that they're completely fine, you know? Well, the thing, almost to their detriment, they've been a couple that has looked flawless so stable like right so stable so like just the smallest crack people will obviously try to make it into something and so yeah i i was i was honestly shocked to hear that they when i'm not shocked because nothing shocks me when it comes to the media trying to make a story out of something but the man retired and then he decided to the media trying to make a story out of something. But the man retired. And then he decided to come back, which obviously is a big family decision. So, like, the fact that he took time out of training camp to be with his family is, to me, like a normal thing.

Did he ever confirm that, though? He didn't specify family. Because I know I had seen the press conference clip and I saw that he had said that, you know, it was personal, that he's 45 and, you know, he's got 10. But he, like, they went on vacation with his family, which is like, to me, it's just like, why we, like, we don't need to make a big deal about a man prioritizing his family. As if, like, there must be a scandal, you know? Listen, it's something to talk about. Something to talk about. And that's all clickbait action.

And especially Tom Brady. Everyone knows how successful he's been. And there's been so much talk about the unretirement. Now they're like, let's talk about the relationship. Are you kidding me? People love that stuff. Do you think, I host a sports show on Amazon and my co-host thinks Rob's coming back near playoff season.

Do you have any, I think that's possible, but I think he's done. Do you have anything to add to the conversation? I honestly, I live with him. I sleep right by his side with our dog. And I could not tell you if there's anything, if there's one limitation in our relationship, it's no longer communication, If there's one limitation in our relationship, it's no longer communication, but it is football. I don't know those decisions that go on in his brain. Even his parents don't know. Like, no one knows.

Would it shock you if he came back? Would it shock me? What would you find more surprising, him staying retired or him coming back one more time? Coming back. That would surprise you more? Yes. Okay. All right. Fair answer.

surprise you more. Yes. Okay. All right. Fair answer. Do you think it's fair for people to have these expectations on like the wives,

girlfriends, partners of sports players or athletes to be going to games constantly? Like how much, where's the balance between like supporting

your partner in their pursuits and showing how much you love them and this thing that they love and also having your own life and being allowed to have your own interests

and Sunday plans? Yeah, she missed one game. Shit. It's like 22 seasons. And he's always going to the postseason. No, I don't go to every game I got. Let's go back. Like, partnerships and relationships, whatever.

Let's go back to that main character energy I was talking about. Like, it's your life. They have a family together, yes. But also, there's been so many like i there's been games that i've been at that i see giselle's post where she's just home in her jersey with her kids like you don't have like honestly going to the games is cool and all but it's way better to be at home like like the energy is cool but watching football games from home it's like it's just a better

football experience yeah it is it is you don't want to yeah no game day traffic after you bounce out of there be in your own home and uh less likely for me to go eat the nachos you know my only food no i don't i didn't i honestly didn't even know any that stuff about the home opener but also it was it was in dallas it's right it was in dallas yeah well she's not gonna go to away game what else we got well okay do we want to talk dating resumes do we want to talk leonardo dicaprio and gg rumors why do we want to i don't even know this like you could tell you guys are my news source there's a rumor that at least leo's pursuing gg and that they've been talking are you talking about gg Hadid? Yeah. Really?

Exactly. If you're Gigi, why bother? Wait, I don't know if I'm going to get eaten alive for not knowing this. I didn't even know that she wasn't with Zayn anymore. Yeah, I think they've, I mean, there's a restraining order. I clearly don't read anything. Right? Wasn't there?

There was a whole altercation between Zayn and Yolanda. Yeah, they're going through it, or they went through it. They don't seem to be together. But Leo is pursuing Gigi. And if I'm Gigi... What's the proof of that? An insider said he, quote, had his sights set on her. And they've also been spotted together.

And she's saying it's much more of a friendship. Like, she's interested in kind of a platonic good terms with him. And it seems like he's... I just don't see the upside of your Gigi to date a Leo. Nothing against Leo, but just... Yeah, I don't know. Your Gigi, you know? And I don't know if I want to date a Leo who seems to...

He doesn't have the best track record of commitment long term. And maybe that might not be fair. I mean, someone could say the same thing about me. And you know so far so good in a relationship but if leo had his eyes set on you girls would you go on a date yeah would you would you say yes to a date i'd say yes for a date oh oh a yes and an f i actually would have i would have predicted those exact answers. Really? Yeah. I mean, yes, from the amazing story perspective. But she's like, for the podcast, maybe. I think Amanda, I think if you went on, Amanda, if you decided to say, if you went on for the story, I bet you'd come back and be like, oh, I judged him too hastily. The thing is, is that he's actually really substantive. I bet you would come back and be like, oh, I judge him too hastily.

The thing is, he's actually really substantive. No, I would go on a date with Leonardo DiCaprio in his black Red Sox hat in The Departed. That is the only version of Leo that I would date. Because you want a certain version of him. Like the Boston Leo, nothing else. Ali would. Why not? I think it's the pattern of, well, it goes back to the whole thing that he's getting criticized for like the whole jokes about how he won't date someone who's over

25 and sure if you're dating pools consistently people who are in their early 20s then like yeah your breakups of these relationships are going to come right around that mark but I think it would just be so hard to go into that relationship not feeling utterly expendable we're not talking relationship the question was would you go on a date with him but like that then it's like his hard to go into that relationship not feeling utterly expendable we're not talking relationship the question was would you go on a date with him but like that then it's like his criteria is so clear well he's clearly asking you out on a date so you match something how would you broach the subject amanda about like okay you're on a date it's going well maybe it's even day two and you gotta like i gotta bring it up be like so what's up how would you approach the are you gonna dump me when i'm 25 conversation i show up looking like shit and see what he did

like you show up looking really really unpolished no i don't i i guess it's like if he's asking you out for a reason you clearly match his criteria that's true i think i want to know how you're checking in with leo how i'm checking if he has his eyes set on gg it sounds like that it like that's the start that would be the start if he's asked someone on a date and that his eyes set on i mean already just hearing i have my eyes set on gg i want gg to not go out with leo because it sounds so presumptuous like well he has his eyes set on her. They're going to date. And Gigi Hadid. This is so fun.

Isn't she just as famous? To just talk, like to be on the side and just talk pop culture and gossip and just be like, yeah, and just make up stuff

and assumptions and like things that don't already are already real. This is like, what? I could not do this, honestly.

What? Have the conversation? No, just. Be a part of it. Both? Be on The Bachelor. I could not. Gosh.

No, actually, speaking of The Bachelor, like, oh, I have a question. This is because this is me like taking advantage of the fact that you're sitting right in front of me. Sorry, I'm switching gears. But girls, this is for you too. Let's just say I was to go on The Bachelor for fun hypothetical because that's what this is for you too like if let's just say i was to go on the bachelor for fun hypothetical because that's what this is all gossipy hypothetical stuff like what would your advice be for that like lasting first introduction impression like do i do something goofy do i wear something like silly do i like what do you do i would just be like hey i'm camille i can't wait

to meet you intros have nothing really to do with lasting impressions. Really? Yes, it does, I thought. Well, yeah, your face. Oh. Like, at the end of the day, like, your energy. Like, either they're going to. So you don't do the corny thing that everyone does?

Well, no. Not if you. Usually the corny thing doesn't get you. It gets you airtime. Yeah, that's true. But as far as the lead goes, just not to sound corny thing doesn't get you, it gets you airtime. Yeah, that's true. But as far as the lead goes, just not to sound corny, but yeah,

be yourself and make a connection. Because that first connection, that goes a long way. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I feel like if I were to be the bachelorette, that like, I would know my top two.

They usually. The first day. They usually do. No, I get shocked. It gets switched around and like. Come on. No, seriously. I guess I. No, I get shocked. It gets switched around and like. Come on. No, seriously.

I guess I choose it from my perspective, not even their connection. I'm like, oh, that one's good looking. And he's nice and has a nice job. I don't know. If I were to go on, I'd be like, all right, first rose ceremony. I have 30 of you in front of me. You two stay. The rest of you go.

I couldn't be phony. That's how they would prefer to do it, but they don't let you. front of me. You two stay. The rest of you go. I couldn't be phony. That's how they would prefer to do it, but they don't let you. Oh, geez. Yeah. Trust me. Most leads would send everyone home their first night. I'm somebody who wants everyone to have a great experience. I would be pity kissing people.

Did you have a good time on my season? It's a tough gig. Oh, gosh. Yeah. There was aok trend of someone handing out dating resumes um it was from her birthday party she had her friends posted out all these photos of her so she started writing her name her age fun facts about her on the back of the and doing this tiktok series where she would hand them out to men and i'm curious like it's kind of similar to almost like your bachelor limo exit of like what would you do

like what would you put on the resume like if you had like truly the back of a five by seven photo to say something to draw someone in what would you do in an alternate world you have to with your your your linkedin dating profile yeah so to speak what here's the thing i have never in my life for as many like there's so many catfish out there that have my name or like my pictures but not my name. What are the things that are like, what do you usually see on like a glance before you swipe? Yeah, I don't even mean like dating app.

I mean like a hard pitch. What's your like, if you had to put like a wanted poster but like it was for yourself that people in the elevator would see and they have to like five things of why people should date Camille. Oh, why they should date me? Not even what I'm looking for? You're pitching yourself. Oh, gosh. Okay. Number one, not in order of importance. What's coming to my mind first? Number one is you have to love dogs. You have to love animals. All right. Number two, you-

So you love animals. I love animals. Again number two you so you love animals i love animals again this is about you okay i know i love animals and oh yeah oh yeah not what they love shoot okay i love animals number two i live a healthy and active lifestyle i love to dance never not dancing i love to dance so like it would be important to me if they had rhythm, okay? So dance, move your body, and eat healthy. But we could still have cake and ice cream. Number three would be, I think I'm a great kisser. Number four would be, mom, mom, mom, mom, mom. Do you think everybody thinks they're a good kisser?

No. That's a great question. I think every young person does. Like how everybody thinks they're a good driver. Nobody will admit that they're a bad driver. I don't think I'm a great question. I think every young person does. Like everybody thinks they're a good driver. Nobody will admit that they're a bad driver. I don't think I'm a good driver. I've honestly had friends that are like, Camille, just get in the driver's seat, please. Cause I cannot. And I'm like, my pleasure. You have to be told you're a good kisser, I think, in order to add that to your resume. Okay, fine. I take mine off. Oh, I've been told. Yeah. You've been told., yeah. Wait, hold on.

I just feel like if someone were to see that, they'd be like, oh, is she? And it would be appealing. Like, you got to put that on the resume. Do you think being a good kisser is about just like well-executing, reading the room back and forth? Or do you think you have to have a special move to be a good kisser? Like stylistically, you have to have something compelling. It's like a feeling.

It's like a vibe. It's a dance. is dancing it's being present with your partner poetry and like paying attention you know it's literally it's a dance yeah like you don't shove your throat down someone it's a dance with your mouth how do you feel about like biting someone's lip oh i mean i feel great about it but i don't well i like a hard bite no no i don't know Well, like a hard bite? No, no. I don't know. I think that's like. No, no, no, like grab at all.

I don't mean like a typical kiss, but I guess. I'm just like wondering, what do I do? I called myself a good kisser and I'm like, what do I do? I know how it gets. I'm not a lip fighter and Rob doesn't bite my lip. So I'm really comparing it to this relationship. It's happened in the past in my life. I just want to say, for the record, I don't bite for every kiss.

If there's a pull of the lip, I'm okay with it. Yeah. Yeah, I'm fine with it. There should be no pain. That's for sure. I feel like I need to finish my list. Number four. Dancer who likes animals, kissing.

And I really just like quality time. Like quality time is really important to me. Yeah. And acts of service. Like I think one of my favorite things about Rob is I always thought it was words of affirmation until I realized I just really like when like Rob will be like oh you gotta go to the airport in the morning and I'm packing and it's late at night and he'll go I'm gonna take your car and go fill it up for you and I'm gonna pull it around

in front so that in the morning your bag's outside and I'll load them in from the front door and I'll lock up behind you I really think that I think a lot of men's way they show love is through acts of service not all but I think a lot of them do way they show love is through acts of service. Not all, but I think a lot of them do. And I think sometimes, and I've said this before, but like, I think sometimes those things can be overlooked in acts of service. And I think sometimes men are literally showing love that way. And I think they can be overlooked if you've been dating for a certain period of time, because you get used to that act of service that they're doing.

And yet they're still showing you love. And I think that's great that you recognize that and feel that. It's definitely vice versa of a woman to a man. And I'll tell you what, whatever the relationship may be, that, you know, I feel like there's a lot of people in relationships who do get used to that. And until it's gone, you don't know what you got till it's gone is a real thing like you know a girl making you a meal or turning light off for you or like just literally simple things in life and tucking you in and you know when you're sick making sure that they're there for you or you know simple little things that add up and i look past a lot of times well you are certainly someone who clearly has

experienced lots of things and learned from them. And from my conversation with you now, it seems like you've, one of your strengths seem to be just acceptance of whatever is going on and the ability to respond, which I resonate with. And I think that's a great quality. And I appreciate you sharing all those things. Are you down to do some texting office hours with us? Oh, yeah. How's it going? Good. How are you? Good. What's your name? I'm Allison and I'm 33. How can we help you? So I just met a guy at a party and he went away on a trip and I'm kind of like, what should I text him? Should I text him when he comes back or wait for him? Like that whole thing.

Okay. So you're shooting your shot. Yes, basically. And you haven't texted him since the party? No, we did text a little bit. So I met him at the party and it was one of those things where I like saw him across the room and was like, I want you. What kind of party was it? It was a birthday party

at a bar with dancing and all of that. So we connected really well. And then he invited me back to his cousin's party at a apartment where his cousin was DJing on the roof. So I was there till 5am. Like we really connected. And then he left five days later for Peru for a meditation retreat. So we texted a little bit. And so I really liked him. It was like that whole thing's like, I think we are compatible because our astrology signs align. So this call is amazing. You're speaking Camille's language. Oh, my gosh.

You guys are aligned. We are. I'm a Virgo and he's a Taurus. So it's like perfect. I am a Pisces and data Taurus. And I love a Taurus and all of my friends and my man. Great. He,

he had been like, there's this ice cream shop. Cause I'm new to the city that we met in. And he was like, have you been there yet? I should take you there kind of a thing. And he was like, I definitely want to do this again. But then I did text him after the party and was like have you been there yet i should take you there kind of a thing and he was like i definitely want to do this again but then i did text him after the party and was like hey how was

the rest of it i feel like he was kind of lukewarm but he did say we would connect after he got back so i'm reading the text you said now you sent uh hey i had a blast i was regretting i had the morning uh beach plans and had to leave when's your trip again uh we should do drinks or that ice cream when you're back i like that ice cream great yeah he wrote back let's chat when i when i get back leaving friday until the 21st yeah definitely not like the warmest right response like but obviously if you're leaving for a trip I'm like am I giving too much credit to the whole he's leaving on a trip he also has an ex-girlfriend that none of his friends liked and so they were very excited when I entered the picture because

he like keeps going back to her apparently so they're like you need a good person like get rid of this other one so they were very excited about me but i'm like is he excited about me i don't know i think that the timing of this is so interesting that it's one thing to go on a trip it's another thing to go on a meditation he's going on a meditation retreat yeah yes it's like like it's like once he comes back i think he's gonna know if he's like gonna go back to the x or if he's going to explore new right which and by people i kind of mean you right and the ice cream date can come to fruition uh i don't love because like i normally i would say oh like this is a like that's he's on a trip maybe you send like a soft kind of check-in how's the trip going you

remind him you exist type of thing but he was this very clear let's chat when i'm back Friday into the 21st i don't think you should check in oh my okay i don't i don't think no i don't i don't think you need to check in while he's on the trip that's what i'm saying i think you know had he not sent that i would have been like well how about let's chat when i'm right you know like i would have been like i would tell him to send her i would so i would maybe say send like some sort of text being like how's it going like blah blah blah just keep it casual and not not even ask about the date but just like oh how's your trip going if like if he was doing something like fun but the fact that this is some sort of meditation trip and his message she like asked him about who was the last one to text though it looks like a blue so

here i'll read it to you yeah she goes i had a blast i was regretting had that i had this morning beach plan and i had to leave when's your trip uh when's your trip again we should do drinks or that ice cream when you're back and then he wrote let's chat when i'm back had he wrote did she write anything after yeah she goes sounds good have an amazing time he writes thank you with an exclamation point okay i was going to say if you didn't finish it out i would just while he's away on the ship i would just say i can't wait to hear how this goes this sounds oh that would be good but but you already said sounds good and then now we say it's like hey i'm back and you say i can't wait to hear about it but but there's clearly something that's telling you that you might need to reach out first because you you're not you're not sitting like just like

oh he'll like reach out when he wants to right so and at the party he was like i like it when a girl has confidence like he liked that about me that i was confident and like approaching him so so listen there's two ways you can you can play this right you can just be yourself and go for what you want and accept however he takes that right right which is harder for hard for us to do because we're always in these moments we spend more time thinking about what will they like or what they will respond to or what they will find attractive. And then when we do that, we actually start negotiating with ourselves about who we're willing to show who we are. Like the safe thing to do would be to just wait.

Right. You know, and see if he responds first. Right. What would you want to do regardless if we said, we don't know how this guy's going to respond. Like, what do you want to do regardless if we said we don't know what how this guy's gonna respond like what do you want to do i'm like if i don't hear from him a few days after he gets back i'm like do i push and then see if i get more of a positive response and then if he doesn't respond then i would drop it or do i just leave it completely on him? I don't know. I mean, I know myself that I have never been like a game player. I just, like, I don't like to, like I said, I was saying it before.

I don't want to lessen who I am for somebody from the get-go. If you are genuinely excited to hear from him again and want to hear how his trip went and want to see him again you know bad enough then gosh is this going to be morbid of me but like we're not promised every day freaking go for it like leave without regret like send the message and if he doesn't respond or accept it or doesn't appreciate that you're like communicating and excited to talk to him again excited for him to come back then goodbye i'm confident in saying that whatever you decide to do ultimately like isn't gonna like matter and i mean that in a positive way because i do right

like i know you mean like if you're gonna turn too much into something yeah if you're gonna turn him off for like reaching out and and show your like the fact that you've you know thought about him or thinking about him and that turns him off then he's definitely not something that's worth your time to begin with and if he says he's like a woman who has confidence then that then then you should take him up on that so i'm convincing myself that maybe you should text him while he's on a strip oh okay if that's what you want to do which it sounds like yeah it sounds like you want to make contact and there's no point in waiting until he's back to check in. Actually, no.

Actually, she said what she wants to do is if he doesn't reach out after the 21st or a couple days after, then she would say something. What do you feel about reaching out now? Well, I'm concerned that if he's on a meditation thing that he doesn't actually have his phone to text with. Exactly. I feel the same way. And I also feel like it's like a disconnected situation. Right. I feel like I don't know him well enough to be like trying to chat with him while he is on a meditation retreat. So I kind of wanted to wait. I didn't want to push it that hard.

I like small talk. Like I'm like a phone call, let's hang in person type person. So when he lets you know, like, hey, I'm back in town, where are you at? Or whatever it may be. If he doesn't, like I said, I think you let's hang in person type person so when he lets you know like hey I'm back in town where are you at or whatever it may be and if he doesn't like I said I think you should reach out if you want to yeah so you hit him up how do how many how we wait a couple days do you do it on the day one the 21st oh maybe 22 right okay so I wait there's something I guess my point is saying it's just like if you were interested in a guy and he reached out to you and said i'm excited to hang out with you like would you like it or not i mean and i'm guessing the answer comes down to whether you were excited or not and if yeah just someone being excited about you that you're excited

about turn you off i mean some people might say that but they probably need therapy right no why would that be a turn off uh for some people it is but i'm glad but i guess i guess i asked though so you should you should act the same way you want to know if he's excited about you right you want to know if he's in any way been thinking about you you want to know if in any way he's just like reminiscing the same ways that you've been reminiscing and the easiest way to find that out is to do the thing same thing you would want him to do if the role was reversed right right so yeah maybe reach out to 22nd and don't even be afraid to like hide your enthusiasm okay like okay it's definitely the riskier play but it gets you the answers faster. True. Yes. Yes. I don't want to waste time. What if you were like, Hey, any chance you've been meditating about me? Maybe make a

meditation joke. Did I pop up in your lingering thoughts? In case you haven't been meditating about cool places we can go, I thought we should go to, honestly honestly that's not a bad kind of like that okay so if he's been meditating about cool places i'm assuming you're looking up flights to peru be like i'm assuming you haven't been meditation about really cool things we could do but like if you're free this weekend are, are you? Meditationing? Meditating? Is that a word? Meditating? He's been saying meditationing and I'm just like, what's that? Am I even saying meditationing?

It might be an action word that I just didn't know. I don't think it is. Meditating. Yeah. What do we think about a text that says, yeah, a joke about meditating. A bad joke, but a joke. Okay. You just told her to be herself and now you want to write a joke

she's she that's what she's asking i'm like let's grab 30 this can be a special edition episode where i'm like let's grab cameras let's get on a flight let's go to peru let's find the meditation stalk them yes bust down the door are you interested yes or no oh my god um no you text them text them on the 22nd okay i don't even think you do the whole like i hope you had fun on your trip like no right okay what do you think camille i think you get to the point honestly what if he's just freaking text her when he gets back she doesn't even have to lead it that'd be great i'm leaving that. I'm leaving that option open that he's back. Let's say it's the 22nd, 23rd, 21st. I don't know.

And he's like, hey, I'm back. Well, then she just goes. Right. But she's calling in preparation. Yes. In case he doesn't. I'm new here. That's okay.

So in case he doesn't text. If he does text, we're good. We're gravy. You say how you feel. And when I say how you feel, when I say that, I mean just. We have to come up with a text for her. Oh. Oh, so is that.

Can I say my idea? Yeah. And then you say yours. There's no bad idea than brainstorming, Camille. Yes. Mine would be, I've been counting down the hours until the September 12th. I'm just kidding. I would say, let me think about putting myself in this situation. Okay, and it's Rob.

And we met Rob. I met him at a party. I saw him across the way. I'm like, oh, my God. He's the one. He's like, I'm going on a meditation retreat. He invited me to his cousin. Yes.

And he went on a meditation retreat, which already is a ding ding. It's like self-therapy. Like, oh, my gosh. And a Taurus is so grounded. We love the earth sign. And great. Wow. I don't even know how old he is.

But like the maturity level of just going on a trip like that is beautiful. So I would say he didn't text me yet. I would say, wow, what what would i say i don't know how to date i would say can't wait to hear about this trip when are you ready to get ice cream that's not bad that would work i can't wait to hear what i like the presumptive clothes i like that can't write that down we might use that i can't wait to hear about this trip when are we getting ice cream I read it it's solid thank you

perfect okay it's kind of hard great I also you could do that or you can make a joke about

you know yeah I want to hear yours now I want to hear the the vile files advice that's pretty good you can make a joke about meditating

okay just be like in case you haven't been meditating about me I thought about some places we can go either way It's pretty good. You can make a joke about meditating. Okay. Just be like, in case you haven't been meditating about me, I thought about some places we can go. Either way, I like that she was, the big thing that I liked about Camille's is that she, it was assuming you would go out. Yes. Okay. It wasn't asking or when should we go? If you're, you know, like what I don't want you to do is write anything like if you're still interested in going out with me if you're still free you know like it's like if i don't want you

to in any way show that you're hoping or wondering uh if he's willing or able to go out with you you're a prize you may find out that his priorities have changed but i think you go in with the assumption that you are absolutely going to get dinner because who wouldn't want to get dinner with you? Okay. And you bring that energy to the text. So whatever your text is, whether it's Camille's or you're just like, hey, I've been meditating about like places we should go or something. Let's practice some breath work at the ice cream shop. Um, let's practice some breath work at the ice cream shop.

Yeah. And again, like you're, you're, you're, you're holding him accountable for what he said to you, which he likes a confident person. So go and be your most confident self and see if he responds to that. And if he doesn't, then that's not a you problem. Either a wasn't upfront with him liking confident people. That's one of those things I, you know, I thought, I'm not saying I don't believe him, but like, you have to be careful about believing platitudes from someone you barely know. And I like confident people is like something generic you can say to anyone. And I'm not trying

to take anything away from, he said to you, but like when you're meeting someone for the first time, like there's no, like we have to have a healthy level of of skepticism about like how much they meant what they said when they're saying something that we but it feels good he invited her he immediately from the party invited her to go to like something like a more intimate setting at his family i'm just saying like i like that yeah i like confident people like i'm like if let's say i know fast forward he reaches out and we say hey you'll be you know like confident people be confident and then she goes and texts and let's say he she he never responds or he blows her off and all of a sudden she's like well he said he liked confident people

and then we'll spend all this time making it seem like you did we did something wrong when in the reality all that person is they just said some shit you know and then you look into it yeah you look into it and all i'm saying is uh take him at his word and do what he said and if it doesn't go the way you hope then that's a him problem not you and i wouldn't reassess anything you've done you just you know maybe just i don't know meditation or whatever the fuck happened. Right. But I just want you to, yeah, be like, either just assume you're going out, whatever you say. Okay. Okay. I can do that.

Well, okay. So after we do these things, like how do we hear the follow-up? How do we know? That's a great question. We did a follow-up episode that dropped last week, Friday, for some of our other calls. We're going to follow-up episodes. Sometimes they read follow-ups. She'll let us know. I'll you okay thank you um all right well thank you this was good

yay and listen if he doesn't answer i'll get ice cream with you i just want to go to a place that has cotton candy ice cream that's really hard to find these days but i've got a real big sweet tooth and i love okay i love a girl's girl so great okay i'll see if it has cotton candy ice cream on me if it doesn't work out but it will sending you all the positive vibes thank you nice meeting you nice to meet you yes all right let's now thank you bye camille thanks for coming oh thank you for having a pleasure i want to thank you for being so Yes, thanks to you both. Take care. Thank you. Bye. Camille, thanks for coming. Oh, thank you for having me. What a pleasure.

I want to thank you for being so vulnerable and open. I know it's not always easy to do, but... I'm already kind of, I'm going to be honest, I'm already like, am I regretting this? But you want to know why I'm just... What would you regret? Being as open as I was about my relationship. It's something I don't do that.

It's very inspiring. Honestly, I don't do that. Very inspiring. Honestly, let me put it this way. If anything I said today helped somebody, just sign my DMs and let me know. It'll just make me feel a little bit better. It helped me. I think it helped a lot of people. I love the things you guys, you talked about. I related a lot to them. And I think to me, like I said, you're clearly someone who not only believes in themselves, but you've been through your ups and downs. And so much about life is learning how to accept the things that don't go our way and responding to them while still believing in yourself. Because it's tough, right? It's tough to want to believe in yourself and then handle disappointment. And that's such a challenging thing to do, to believe that you're capable of doing something and knowing that things aren't always going to go the way you want, whether it's professionally or whether it's personal in your relationship in life. And the checking in that you talked about and the acceptance of disappointment, I think are just two very critical things that come and that are

required in both your relationships and professional life so to me i think everything you said was well received and appreciated on my end and i am assuming uh everyone listening will agree everyone doesn't have to but i think the i think the biggest takeaway that i just want to put out in general is that like worrying that it's something that i've learned from the most, that worrying does nothing for you. Nothing. It doesn't, it doesn't, there's just, there's no reason to worry about anything in life with like health, love, career,

where you're going in life. Just stay positive. It sounds silly, but just stay positive. And if something doesn't go your way, understand that it's a redirection for for a reason and it's all going to be okay all is well i say that all the time my friends they'd be like you know say a prayer for me or you know i'm scared of this happening and i'm like fear is the opposite of love well it's it's a it's an ugly cousin of love just sit in your peace and know it'll be well all is well where can my people find you i am at

camille caustic on tiktok twitter instagram and that's there's only one me so it's the blue check mark me not the other ones uh congratulations on all your success i'm so happy for you i know you're going to continue to do great things on everything that you are doing. So congratulations on love. You're an inspiration. I like your girlfriend a lot. She is great. And I hear wonderful things about your boyfriend. He's a good guy. Thanks for listening, guys. Don't forget to send in those questions at asknick at castme.com. Cast with a K for all things Ask Nick. Don't forget to check out that update episode if you haven't already. For all those, everyone who keeps asking, we want some updates from the callers. That's what it's there for. Anything else I'm missing? I don't think so. Pre-order my book, Don't Text X,

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