The Viall Files - E483 Bachelor In Paradise Recap w/ Serena Pitt and Joe Amabile

Episode Date: October 5, 2022

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Bachelor In Paradise Edition! We are here with another episode, this time joined by Bachelor Nation’s Serena Pitt and Joe Amabile as we return to paradise to break down another dramatic and exciting episode! We first kick things off by getting into the latest on Bachelor Nation Tea, diving into the Mike Johnson and Meghan King dating rumors, the latest on Bachelor Nation pregnancies and weddings, Vanessa’s baby, and Nick’s awesome surprise birthday party to go along with his book release. We then get an update on Serena and Joe’s relationship before we bring on Shanae from Bachelor Nation to break down her time on Clayton’s season, as well as how she enjoyed her time on this season of Bachelor In Paradise! We ask her if this season is her redemption arc, what people most often misunderstand about her, how she’s changed her approach from last season, and how she’s doing hanging out with Genevieve. We then break down the last episode, talking about Romeo being in his f*ckboy era, how guy contestants hold the power with having the roses, and failing to read the room in multiple situations. We also talk about Teddi going home for all the wrong reasons, Justin making decisions that are the most entertaining, and his failure to communicate despite saying in an ITM that he would do his best to speak up more. We also talk about Genevieve being a producer’s dream, getting to know the real Aaron, Nick’s flashback cameo, and how the dynamic changes when the girls hold the roses.  “You can be a f*ckboy and not be good at it.” Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes.  To Order Nick’s Book Go To: http://www.viallfiles.com Support a Local Bookstore: https://bookshop.org/books/don-t-text-your-ex-happy-birthday-and-other-advice-on-love-sex-and-dating-9798212185622/9781419755491 THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Helix Sleep: Helix is offering up to 200 dollars off all mattress orders AND two free pillows for our listeners! Go to http://www.HelixSleep.com/viall. With Helix, better sleep starts now. Article: Article is offering our listeners $50 off your first purchase of $100 or more. To claim, visit http://www.article.com/VIALL and the discount will be automatically applied at checkout Hungryroot: Right now, Hungryroot is offering The Viall Files listeners 30% off your first delivery and free veggies for life. Just go to http://www.Hungryroot.com/VIALL, to get 30% off your first delivery and get your free veggies. Don’t forget to use our link, so they know we sent you. Episode Socials:  @viallfiles @nickviall @serena_pitt @joeamabile1 @shanae.a See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another exciting, amazing new episode of The Vile Files Bachelor in Paradise Recap Edition. I'm your host, Nick. We're coming from you in New York. Allie and Amanda woke up early. They're in LA. Allie back from a wedding. Amazing. We'll talk more about that on Going Deeper, which just plug, let's just do that right away.

Jason, I just keep calling him Gabby's Jason, is with us on Thursday. Really great conversation I had with Jason about his experience on the show, why he left, why he even went on. He answers all your burning questions. I really enjoyed my had with Jason about his experience on the show, why he left, why he even went on. He answers all your burning questions. I really enjoyed my conversation with Jason. I quite like him a lot. So tune in to that on Thursday.

Joe and Serena are with us. Hello. For this recap. You sound excited, Joe. No, I am. That was just, yes. Hello. Hello.

Lots to get into. I think Sinead is calling in at some point this episode. We have two episodes of Paradise to cover, which should be fun. My book is finally out. It came out yesterday. I thank you, everyone who has pre-ordered it. I appreciate it. If you haven't ordered it yet, I don't know what the fuck you're waiting for.

Lightly. Sorry. I'm just kidding. And also, i couldn't help but thinking while re watching these two episodes how everyone on the beach might benefit from some of the things that are in the book i mean i get that it's paradise and it's like this is my biggest takeaway of this episode like there's reality and then there's paradise in terms of like how people like process their emotions. I mean, quite frankly,

I think a lot of what we saw is very relatable to real life, but also like in a very kind of hyperbolic, as I often say, scene. But anyways, again, the book is out. I appreciate everyone who has read it, reviewed it, and everyone who likes it. Again, it's just a book of my experiences of all the mistakes I made with love and dating. And if you find yourself relating in any way to what some of the conversations are going on in paradise, I promise you there's a lot of stuff in the book that will make you feel a lot less stuck and a lot more empowered and a lot more in control of your decisions. And just give it a shot. I appreciate it. If you do, it's still obviously order it. Go to vilefalls.com

and you can get it on Amazon, Barnes & Noble. You can procure it from independent bookstores. It's on audiobook. So all the options are available and I hope you guys give it a shot and I really appreciate it.

If you do, should we get in the tea? Is there any tea, Allie, before we start busting out two hours, how many hours of Paradise? Three, four hours? Almost four. What's going on? Mike Johnson is addressing

the Meghan King dating rumors. We saw their kind of cozy interactions in Vegas. Let me guess. Nothing's going on. Exactly. That was just for fun, Mike shared. They were having a great time. I feel like I saw that and it definitely looked like

a date. I think there was a cute little cheek kiss photo, wasn't there? I remember looking and I'm like, does Mike have a girlfriend? Didn't they both post static posts on their Instagrams too? Did they? I thought so. Also, again, update on the Tino interview. Hopefully it'll be the week of the 20 so. I wanted the attention. Also, again, update on the Tino interview.

Hopefully, it'll be the week of the 20th. I'm currently texting him at the moment. He's 50 pages into my book. He said it's really, really good. Nice. Yeah, I gave Tino the book. He's learning a lot. So, yeah, we respect a guy who's taking care of his mental health.

And I know we all have a lot of questions for Tino. And I'm excited to ask him questions because certainly I have questions. But hopefully it will still happen. And tentatively, hopefully around the 20th. He wrote, I kind of wish you wrote it earlier. And honestly, I think I wouldn't have messed up so bad. They should send them out with the contracts to go on the show. Like, hey, here's your contract.

Here's Nick's book. Oh, no, they wouldn't. The producers would never get my book. It literally tells everything. It's the opposite of making great TV because you consider your, don't overreact, think about, it's like the opposite of

what Genevieve is doing. Yeah, they're going to ban it actually. I take it back. They would ban my book, 100%. On our season, we actually all got a copy of Chris Harrison's book. Really? Yeah.

They handed them out. I guess when they did the erotica date, everyone got a copy. I don't think they'll hand out my book. I do not either. I don't think it would help them make the best TV. Anyway, so Mike Johnson and Meghan King are just- He said, we just had a great time in Vegas. So I guess that doesn't mean, like, nothing happened.

He just said, we just had a great time. So maybe you could read into that, but who knows? Okay. That's probably casual. Casual hookup. Do you think they had a great time, or do you think they just posted pictures together? Like, wink, wink.

Hard to say. I feel like they had a great time. Do you think there was some coitus or maybe a make-out? Why not? They're both hot. They're both single. Yeah, I think they had posted pictures together. Like, wink, wink. Hard to say. I feel like they had a great time. Do you think there was some coitus or maybe a make-out? Why not? They're both hot. They're both single. Yeah, I think they had a great time. I think they had a great Vegas weekend.

Yeah, I feel like the Vegas alter egos came out. You think they had sex? I mean, there was no, like, we're just friends in the statement. We had a great time. But maybe they're looking for a little clickbait. Who knows? Shameless plug. I mean, they got it.

We're talking here. There we go. Vanessa gave birth uh on nick's birthday and a day before her birthday was that something you talked about that your birthdays are a day apart when you were together yeah i kind of forgot that they were a day apart to be honest yeah but yeah i do remember now that they were but uh great now uh me and uh vanessa's son share a birthday there There you go. Three little Libras. How about that? Great for us. No, but that's super great. Happy for them. They seem like a really happy family. And I think that's absolutely amazing.

Yeah. Congratulations to the lovely family. And what's her kid's name? Oh, yeah. I don't think she put the name in it. It just says, her post said, nothing will beat my 35th birthday. Our little miracle decided to be born one day before mommy's birthday.

So we celebrated his birth date and my 35th at the hospital as a new family. Would you want the same birthday as your kid? I feel like I'm so happy that it was one day before and not on my birthday. I don't really care about birthdays. I think my kid. For my kid more so. For my kid, yeah.. I don't really care about birthdays. I think my kid. For my kid more so.

For my kid, yeah. I also don't really care about birthdays, so it wouldn't really affect me. Yeah. No, that's not true. I don't care about birthdays. I feel like you care about your birthday. No.

No? No, I didn't make a big deal out of my birthday at all. Yeah, because I made a big deal of it. I made it awesome. Yeah. What did we do? What do you mean? You said it was the best birthday ever.

Apparently not. I got you the coffee machine. Oh, yes. We went for sauna. We went for Don Angie's. Yeah, What did we do? What do you mean? You said it was the best birthday ever. Apparently not. I got you the coffee machine. Oh, yes. We went for sauna. We went for Don Angie's. Yeah, yes, yeah. It was actually, it was a wonderful. Apparently it wasn't that good.

Well, we also do that stuff all the time, but it was a great birthday. You did a really wonderful job. Speaking of great birthdays, a shout out to my lovely girlfriend, Natalie, who threw me a surprise birthday slash book release party. Yeah, she popped off yeah you guys both had big birthday parties this year that looked very fun yeah um i'm very lucky to have natalie it was great uh i'm not one it was the perfect i'm not usually big on surprise birthday parties because so like i think some people go a little too far you know because they want the surprise so to

surprise someone you have to disappoint someone you, it's like no one cares. Like don't anyone, everyone just forget it's their birthday and don't text. And everyone's just, they're moping around. So then they can like get the biggest surprise ever. But thankfully, my parents surprised me. Showed up at my front door without me knowing. I had some friends flying to town as well. And then like, so I got to, and I knew my friends were coming.

So I got to anticipate that. So I got looked, I had something to look forward to. And I was still surprised by some of the other people who showed up and flew in for the party and it was really special and I think I'm very lucky to have now. It was the best adult birthday I've ever had. Oh, that's great.

That's awesome. So it was really quite meaningful. She did such a good job. Can I just say that? It's winter. I showed up. Football was playing. i got to wear some winter coats it was crispy out yeah and i had a nice burger where did we go we had a great dinner we went to moneta tavern oh the burger was incredible it's just like your your quintessential new york bar yeah and then i woke up this morning

i was watching paradise on my phone with a cup of coffee and the wind was blowing. It was like such a vibe. You're wearing plaid, Nick. You look so fall. I really am really enjoying being here in the fall. It's great to experience weather when you don't have to endure it for any lengthy period of time. But like when it's like something to do. Yeah, it's probably a nice change from LA weather. But now you're like, I can go back. I don't have to endure the winters here. I know. Anyways, I just want to throw that in there. It's good to be in New York in the fall. All right.

So Vanessa's kid and me, whose name we don't know, we have the same birthday. Yes, correct. And we got some other people just moving on with life. Sarah Herron and Kayla Quinn both announced pregnancies. And Maddie Pruitt posted her engagement photos. And I believe she posted them yesterday. And Maddie Pruitt posted her engagement photos, and I believe she posted them yesterday. And the caption was 27 days, so I guess 26 days from today.

And they got engaged after nine months, and now I guess they're getting married within the month. So they are really going for it. I think they operate on a different wavelength. Yeah, no, they move quick. Yeah, definitely. If you're going to wait forever to have sex once you i mean once you know you know like let's get down the aisle yeah you know but i feel like they well i don't know about him but she specifically has unique values at least from

people in bachelor nation when it comes to what you're looking for in a relationship so i feel like there's kind of a different rule book for them yeah i feel like she might be more into like the list like it's like lists of like what her partner. Yeah. She definitely has some hard non-negotiables. It seems like. Yeah. That are.

I'm just, I don't know how much it speaks. Anyway, I'm not. You know what? This is so random and maybe nosy of us, but we were looking for wedding planners the other day and we were scrolling through old bachelor couples,

like wedding photos to see. And Maddie Pruitt, I think is getting married at the same place. I don't know, but has the same planner as Raven and Adam did. And they had a beautiful wedding, so I'm excited to see the photos from it. I'm just surprised how fast they actually planned the wedding. We just started looking into wedding planners. Who, Maddie and her? Yeah, Maddie and her.

Because they got engaged how long ago? I don't know, but when your daddy's a zillionaire, I don't know if it really matters. Yeah, this guy's the limit. It's like, do you want to get married tomorrow? We can throw. Yeah. True, got it.

Yeah. Yeah, this guy is the limit for them. Yeah. So, you know, and it's just like, you know, it sounds like a couple of people just want to have sex, you know, and start their. I don't blame them. Good for them.

Get your life going. Preaching careers. I think Astrid and Kevin are getting married soon also actually from your season your season of Paradise your first season

yeah a lot of Bachelor Nation weddings they have a kid they have a baby yeah I think I feel like they must have been

like a COVID wedding where it got pushed and then she got pregnant I love that I love the is that the first Bachelor couple to have a child

out of wedlock out of wedlock? Out of wedlock? I don't know. Is it? Our first progressive bachelor couple, you know? We don't need that marriage. A little COVID baby. I love that for them.

Yeah. Yeah, I love that too. Yeah, I think they are. I think they are. Carly and Evan, did they have a kid before they were married? They might have. No, I don't think so. He had kids before they got married.

Yeah, Evan had like a bunch of kids. Yeah, but don't they have a couple kids together? They do. But I believe they, yeah. I mean, I was at their wedding. I don't believe Carla. I mean. Oh, yeah.

She might have been Prego. I don't know. Yeah. I don't remember. I don't. I do not believe they had a child before. Yeah, Astrid and Kevin have the first physical baby, premarital. Yeah.

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How's your guys' love? Terrible. We're on the verge of a breakup. Wow. It's going to go the opposite too. Really? I'm just trying to spice it up for next podcast. No, we are. We have started the search for a wedding planner, and we're really trying to lock down a date and a location. So we're doing all that right now. We're hoping for fall next year, fall 2023. Yes.

All right. So yeah, we're excited. It's good. It's going good. Fall wedding. First fall wedding. Yeah, first fall in New York since we moved here in April

like we're never here trying to spend more time here but we got nothing juicy on our end yeah well I think you guys are not that it matters but I think you guys

are a great couple I like you both as individuals and as a couple you guys seem seem great thank you yeah we're really

we're striving and you were just tweeting like a motherfucker last week oh yeah brave brave man really just going for uh owning owning uh the age difference yeah what did you tweet i tweeted um what did i tweet it was something that because michael yeah michael michael a kept saying that the women are so youthful and i said youthful never stopped uh and Kenny. Which was a joke, obviously.

Well, I mean, it would have been very creepy if you were like these two single guys on the prowl for younger girls. But you're two engaged men. I mean, aren't they preggo too? They are not preggo from what I know. They are planning. Oh, they faked a pregnancy. Yes. They did a joking pregnancy post.

But they're planning their wedding also. You're in serious, committed, loving relationships just with younger women. And the thing was, I was making fun of myself. And it's not like we're, Kenny and I are strolling around looking for younger women. It's like I'm engaged to a woman who's 10 years younger than me. Yeah.

Whatever. I thought it was funny. I thought it was funny too. I thought it was funny too. What've learned on this show is like if you make a joke you have to let people know that you're joking and then you have to and if you make a criticism you have to say no judgment afterwards like if you make an observation

I don't know yeah that's if you care I really don't care I don't I'm like I just I'm just having fun watching the show tweeting away alright we have actually Shanae is here I don't. I'm like, I just, I'm just having fun watching the show. Tweeting away. I enjoy it. All right. We have a, actually, Sinead is here. So like, why don't we just talk to Sinead and then we'll get into the recap. Sinead, welcome. Yes. Hi.

How are you? I'm great. How are you guys? I'm doing well. I'm enjoying what I believe to be the Sinead redemption season. How are you enjoying it so far? The Sine redemption, I'm enjoying it. It's honestly been the best experience so far. Are you having fun? You seem happy. You seem like you're glowing. You seem like you're a little less guarded, which I hope is a sign that this redemption season is in full swing. I don't know how much you can give away, but on a scale of one to 10, how would you rate your paradise experience? Yeah. On a scale of one to

10. So right now experience, it's definitely a 10. Okay. All right. How would you have rated your experience on Clayton's season? Negative a thousand. Negative a thousand. Okay. It wasn't a fun experience. And obviously you guys saw and heard and read, but it wasn't a fun experience and obviously you guys saw and heard and read, but it was not a fun experience for me. So I'm living it up on bachelor in paradise right now. I hear you. And what, what do you think was the main reason for the negative infinity on Clayton season? Um, I think honestly, the women themselves, I think I'm a very approachable, fun, bubbly person to get to know, especially in five seconds. I'm a recruiter and I feel like I can be someone's best friend in

five seconds. So I don't know, jealousy, intimidation, confidence factor. Right when I first walked in at the mansion the first day, I could tell it was not... I could just feel it. I could see it. And I was like, this is not going to be good. So from day one, I felt it and obviously look where we were on The Bachelor. So yeah. What do you think? Did you approach it? So after coming off a Clayton season, hated the experience. Obviously, you said some things that pissed people off. People said some things that pissed you off. What approach, if anything, did you do differently coming into Paradise that you changed that directly correlated into you enjoying this experience better? So I really tried to stay true to myself. I tried to do that on The Bachelor, but I don't think

the ladies did give me the time of day. I know there was a lot said and a lot done, but this time going into Bachelor in Paradise, I wanted to listen more, right? I wanted to see and hear like, okay, like these ladies are decent people to get to know and, you know, potentially be friends. Yeah. Do you think that because you kind of started off on the wrong foot with the ladies on Clayton season, you were kind of like, fuck it. I don't get along with them anyway. Let's just lean into this. And then when it was so difficult going that route, you kind of decided to take a different approach into paradise. Absolutely. I definitely leaned into it more towards bachelor in paradise. I was hesitant to go. I was nervous. I was scared, but I kept hearing that bachelor in paradise is way different experience. So I'm glad I went for sure because I was living it up and it was actually fun.

So for me to say it was fun and amazing, like that's huge for me. We saw last week you kind of go out of your way to talk loose off the bed or lace as they often refer to her. But can you walk us through that? I'm curious because, you you know for all the shit you got on clayton season um i thought it was uh at least another side of you an empathetic side of of you maybe you know what was it because you empathize with feeling like excluded on clayton season or is that something you normally do when you kind of go out of your way to to see someone

kind of distancing themselves from the group? Like what was your reason for doing it? And yeah. And why do you think you did it? And I'm trying to think back to like on The Bachelor. I know I did do that, but obviously that was not aired. But I do empathize with people and I'm very sensitive when it comes to people's hurt feelings or you can tell, you know, just looking at them, like they're not feeling okay, or they're not doing so well. So we were drinking, you know, Wells was pouring us shots and stuff. And I was wondering, and like looking around where's Lace, couldn't find her. So I heard that she was up, you know, in our bunk beds. And I went out there to go see her. And she was, I think she was sleeping, to be honest. And then she woke up and she was

just really, you know, disappointed and mad because she didn't feel included, but also she was mad at the guys because no one was approaching her. So she just wants to be pursued. And, you know, she's been on bachelor in paradise. She said that her experience was a lot more fun and better than what she was going through. So i did empathize for her and also like i've been in that position right i felt so alone on the bachelor and i only had myself basically to talk to um so i wanted to be there for her because i vibed with her when she got down there she's funny she's fun she doesn't give two shits about people like when it to an extent right um but i've been yeah yeah she doesn't give a shit yeah i mean i mean like what people necessarily think i think like you loose also cares about people i'm just gonna call her

loose it's more fun i do that is funny name but yeah it's i felt bad for her for sure yeah what do you think is the most misunderstood thing about you i try to find that out i know that guys um i think i do have a little bit rbf for sure. You can tell when I'm feeling a type of way, but I think the first impression, I think people take me wrong. I don't know just because I think I'm very warm and welcoming. Like I said, I'm a recruiter for God's sake. So I don't know. I just wish I had that answer to be honest, but yeah, I don't. You know, it's funny. Hi, Sinead. I met her last week. She did our podcast. And if I would have talked to her and interviewed her before her season aired, I would have said top three.

Like this girl's top three. She's going to get the hero edit. She's going to probably potential bachelorette or the star of paradise. What do I do? No, we were Sinead fans. Yeah, we were talking about this. I was talking like it's yeah. Joe, I think tweeted like Sinead for bachelorette last season. Yeah, we were talking about this. I was talking, like, it's, yeah. Joe, I think, tweeted, like, Sinead for Bachelorette last season.

Yeah, I, I, I'm, it's cosine. I thought, I'm just saying, like, yeah, and then, like, obviously what happened on Clayton's season kind of changed things for you, but yeah. But I like that we're seeing this, like, confidant side of you because I feel like on The Bachelor and The Bachelorette, people get very one-dimensional portrayals because you can only see so much and you get to see so many more layers to people on Paradise. I feel like we even saw like, I think Kira and you had a moment where she was confiding in you. People are clearly drawn to you looking for advice and just kind of like a shoulder to lean on. Oh, right. And that feels amazing because I didn't get that at all. I didn't get any suggestions, feedback. So getting that now is definitely a plus. What advice would you have to anyone in the world forgetting about the show

for someone who has once felt excluded? I guess my question is like, as much as like, I always say the house is the bully. And, and certainly, I don't think people got to see that. But nevertheless, you know, you certainly didn't say things that, you know, rub some people the wrong way. And certainly you, you know, it's And certainly, it's not like you weren't ever wrong with how you responded to feeling excluded. When you went into Paradise, did you decide to try to approach your disappointment differently? Or were you planning on still giving the, if you don't like me, I'm going to fucking hate you back type of mentality. What was your kind of approach there? Like what, what did you want to change differently about how

you handled being, you know, ostracized or left alone? Um, so I, I took in consideration like of my feelings and like other people's feelings that I want people to like me. Do I care necessarily? No, but I want people to see who I really am. You know, I am actually a very sensitive person. I'm gullible. I'm funny. I'm serious at times, but I just went into it as like, you're still going to get Sinead, but hopefully just not the drama side, but it takes two to tangle, right? It depends on the situation and what's happening, but there wasn't a lot of drama so far. So that's what was awesome, right? I could be Sinead. People got to see who the real Sinead was.

Yeah. And something I've noticed at least so far in Paradise is while there's a lot of, especially week one with the men having the roses and the power, you saw it seemed like some of the women really that got to them, you know, lacking the power and, and there was a lot of hoping to be picked and hoping to be chosen and a lot, and not a lot of thought and consideration to, you know, why they were feeling the way they were or why they were pursuing certain people. It just really, it seemed like their only objective was to like have somebody. And yet with you, it seemed you were a little bit more open-minded, but you seemed, I don't know, to me, less in need of the validation or a rose. And why do you think that is? As far as the data in the real world, how would you rank your confidence level in terms of you learning

about someone and deciding to like them versus hoping someone likes you? Yeah, absolutely. So my whole goal was to connect with someone, right? I didn't go there just for a rose, but can I talk about Logan, right? Like there was a connection there. It was all real. It was, there was real feelings. And I think having that confidence,

I didn't have to think about confidence, right? I'm already a confident person, but when you have a feeling that's mutual and reciprocated, it should be easy going into a rose ceremony because you're like, wow, this person likes me. I hope he's not lying with whatever he's saying and talking to some other girl and saying the same things. But I think that's where my confidence comes from. Did the age difference between you guys throw you off at all? What's the age difference? Was he too youthful?

No. Who, Logan? Yeah. He's younger, isn't he't it yeah he's a little it was a little yeah uh hold on you should like it but age is just a number um fuck yeah at the time um he definitely was mature so to continue to see his 26 year old self but yeah okay okay uh let's talk about genevieve for a second uh as Genevieve would describe you early on, your mortal enemy, which seemed, you know, a bit over the top. I had a chance to talk with Genevieve.

I haven't talked with Genevieve since Women Tell All when I think Genevieve came on the podcast. And I think, I mean, I was just slightly critical of the way she responded to Sinead on Women Tell All. But I actually, I think Genevieve is a star. I'm in love watching her in Paradise. But how would you, on a scale of one to 10, how would you define, like, what do you think

of Genevieve in terms of, yeah, what do you think of Genevieve? You're in Paradise? No, just in general. I just want to know your opinion of Genevieve. Yeah. So a couple of people told me that we are kind of the same person as a matter of fact. But I think she is a down to earth, funny, outgoing, loud, competitive human. And I like that about her. Do you have a strategy going into paradise of like how you want to navigate your relationship with Genevieve? Or did you even give it any thought? Honestly, I didn't think of it. I was like, I'm just going in there. Hopefully, they can give me a second chance to redeem myself. But I was just going in it to be who I am, who I am right now to this day.

Yeah. No, I love that. I think it's very evident, both on Clayton's season and so far on Paradise, that you may not make all the best decisions. No one does. But I enjoy watching you in a sense that I feel you're one of the more authentic people in the sense that you are confidently yourself for the better or for the worst. And I've enjoyed seeing some of your better qualities be shown in Paradise. And it's been fun to watch. Thank you. I'm glad. I can't wait to continue to read and see people like how they're like, oh, dang, like who is this person? But I'm super excited. Yeah. Well, it's happy to see. It's exciting to see you smile. I enjoyed it. I know that for a minute it was pretty tough in the DMs. Yeah. Thousands of days. That was not going away. Isn't it crazy how quick people will flip though?

I'm like, do you have a life? What are you doing? Like, it's probably like a hate DM. And then like a couple months later from the same person, like, you're my favorite. I'm ready. I'm like, oh, now you love me. Weird. Yeah.

We're just seeing different sides of you. Yeah, absolutely. Anything you want to tease? Something we can look forward to? What's your, any moments that you think we can look forward to anticipating? You have to watch. It's so good. I can't even explain it.

From the dates to the group dates, double dates. Maybe I was a bachelorette in paradise. I don't know. You were playing the field. A little fuckboy energy? No, not fuckboy energy. Just like if my guy wasn't giving it his all and some new guy came down and want to take me out, let's go. Absolutely.

All right. Sinead, I appreciate you taking the time. I'm glad this experience is going better for you so far. And I hope the audience continues to learn and see more of your likable characteristics, which I'm, and I know we all have. So thank you so much for having me. It's a pleasure. Yeah.

Good luck for the rest of the season. I don't know. I like Sinead. I know I'm always a defender of the villains, but at least I like people to consider that it's possible that maybe on a reality TV show you might only be seeing a sliver of their personality. Yeah. My thing with her on The Bachelor 2 was she definitely made some unpopular choices. She leaned into the villain.

She leaned into it for sure. But she was bringing so much entertainment to the show. She was really creating so much entertainment for the viewers and that definitely wasn't popular with the women in the house, which I totally understand. But as a viewer, you need someone like her. And she also got a lot of slack for talking bad about the other women in the house in interviews,

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slash V-I-A-L-L. Don't forget to use our link so they know we sent you. All right, let's just get into the meat of the episode. It started off, I want to talk about Romeo. So do we. The explorer. Romeo is in his fuckboy era, which is great for him, I guess, in life. Bad in paradise. He just feels like he's new to his fuckboy era, and he does not know

how to navigate it, and he's trying and failing. Yeah. I don't... Like, I want to like him, but after this episode, it was a lot of, like, a lot of icks from Romeo.

It's like, just... If you're it's like just if you're gonna be a fuck boy just just be a fuck boy and there's nothing wrong like like everyone here is a fuck boy on this beach i mean truly everyone and i just it's the it's the pretending to not be the in a fuck boy season you know where they just like it's the over-the-top, I want to see something here, as opposed to just the casual, I just want to get to know you. But Romeo, there's an intensity with every conversation he has that doesn't fit the connection he seems to be pursuing. He wants to play the field right now.

He wanted to come to Paradise and play the field, and he keeps having conversations that are not leading the women on to think that yeah he either doesn't know what he wants or he knows what he wants and he's just not doing a good job of communicating it and getting himself into really uncomfortable situations and he's completely cracking under the pressure absolutely like he is falling apart he's cried like four times. Are those real tears? I think they're more tears

of embarrassment. Embarrassment? Yeah. Does that make it worse? I did feel for him a little bit. When Brittany swerved his kiss, regardless, I don't agree with him

even going about it that way. Not that I feel bad for him, but he had to feel so embarrassed. I felt embarrassed for him. I didn't feel bad for the swerve because just pay attention. Yeah, I shouldn't have said I don't feel bad for the swerve. You just empathize that rejection is hard. I know after the fact how embarrassing he must feel because of that. is hard. I just know how after the fact how embarrassing he must feel because of that. You know what?

I didn't get. But it's his fault. He did a classic guy move which is like focus on what I want to say. I'm going to go for it and like look down on the floor and not like read the signals and then I think there's a classic mistake that a lot of guys do. Talk it out of my book by the way.

And I think everyone does for a certain extent, is that it's really tough to put yourself out there. It's really hard to be vulnerable. And I think men are more guilty than women, but I think everyone's guilty. There's a sense of entitlement. They feel like, well, if I'm going to be vulnerable, then you owe me at least your consideration.

It took a lot for me to do this. And as a requirement, I need you to respond a certain way. And then when it doesn't go that way, they act a fool and they kind of have this energy. And so like, yeah, I think Romeo was just focusing on what he expected Brittany to give him back and like wasn't even paying attention to these faces she was clearly making and then decided to seal it with a kiss.

And I think Romeo's probably a guy who's probably used to going out to the bars in New York and spitting some game and just going in for a makeout. See, that's where I disagree with that. What do you mean? I don't think Romeo is like real life fuck boy going out to bars and spitting game and able to just grab women. I think he has, I think he's, I think he's, I think he's somewhat awkward and I think it's actually harder for him to talk, talk to women. Yeah. I think he went into that conversation with Brittany, having played it out in his head, having a game plan of this is what I'm going to say,

and then I'm going to kiss her. And instead of being open and flexible to what her response was going to be, that was step three of the plan, and he was going to go in for that kiss and thought maybe she was going to kiss him back to reward him for his vulnerability or because she wanted to. I don't know, but it was really awkward. I also don't understand why he was chasing people to accept his rose. Like he had the power.

Yeah, no, it was, he just, well, I think you, like you said, he was spiraling. He started getting rejected. And then at that point, regardless of he had the rose, he felt powerless by the lack of validation. I don't think Romeo is like,

when I say fuck boy, I don't mean like, you know, this confident guy who's popping bottles and like bringing a new girl home every night i just mean you just you can be a fuck boy not be good at it yeah um and you can be a fuck boy and be you know an introverted hipster you know what i'm saying not every fuck boy is you know a river north if you're from chicago kind of popping bottle like you know finance bro true and so i just think uh romeo is a fuck boy and in his like group uh of kind of like you know like

artistic critical thinkers and i think romeo does very well in certain circles right he's a tall good-looking handsome guy who like you know reads and and and you know i think romeo is aware of his brand okay um sure my guess is romeo probably has a history of with women who would accuse him of not paying attention and reading the singles properly and i wouldn't be it wouldn't shock me if this has happened to romeo in the past and in terms of of of being awkward and weird, mostly because he is not paying attention when he is speaking and just assuming what the response should be rather than just being present in the moment.

Yeah. Yeah. And we've seen that now not work out for him essentially three times, unfortunately. I mean, when he was spitting game, is it Haley? Oh my gosh, I forgot he did this. Yeah, Haley.

He was just like, yeah, I just want to see. After he was like sobbing on the table and she comforted him and he, yeah, comforted him. And he, I think said like, you're beautiful. You're a ray of sunshine. I'd love to see where this goes. And she was like, what? Where did this just come from? Yeah. I mean, it's just like, Romeo might as well say, I will literally date anyone. I have my favorites, but also I'll take anyone. I just wanted to shake him and be like, Romeo, you have a rose and the girls don't. You don't have to know who you're going to date next week.

You don't have to pursue any of these women next week. Obviously, it's not working out. Whoever you give this rose to is very likely going to accept it. Yeah. So just pick who you care about the most or you want to see, find love, whether it's with you or not, and just give that person the rose. He let the pressure get to him. He did. It was as simple as that.

Once he got shut down from Britney, he totally spiraled and didn't know what to do and then just started running around acting like a fool. His insecurities got the best of him, unfortunately. And I feel like everyone is treating it like we're three weeks in by the way they're all talking. Yeah, which I noticed that so much more this year than any other year previously. I feel like, where's the story? We're already in this crazy drama,

and I feel like we're on week three, and it's three days in. Well, yeah. She talked about liking Logan. And the whole time I mean, like, you know, yeah, she talked about liking Logan. And I'm just, the whole time I'm watching it, I'm being like, what? You know, she's, we just have the best connect. You know, they start talking about their connection. And I'm just thinking, he called someone else loose yesterday. I'm like, there's a good chance.

He doesn't know your name. You know, he's going to call you Bailey. Yeah. Yeah. Truly. And then they just talk about, about like i just want to know like i would love someone on paradise like and that's why i really like britney uh britney when she was even talking to romeo like right off the bat she had this you know granted she obviously isn't in

romeo she made that very clear i think she what what did she say what what what an l for romeo like i'd rather yeah i don't know what she'd rather do. Something like I'd rather get hit by a bus. Hit by a bus. Being very harsh. That was, he kind of accepted it at that point. But what I loved about Brittany is like she came across as someone who doesn't need to be there, who is open to being there.

And if the right person comes along, she is down to get to know them. But right off the bat, there is such a different energy with Brittany than so many of the other people in Paradise, which is, you know, Romeo sits down, he's got a rose, he's got the power, and he's like, you know, spitting his game. And Brittany's just like, well, let me ask you some questions. Let me check in with you. And I love that for her. And it just goes to show that regardless of who has the rose, I do think that you can maintain your power by simply just not acting like all you want is someone's validation, that you just ask some questions. Like, thanks for the compliment. Thanks for like this and that. But I have some questions for you. And that immediately will turn people on their head. Brittany's doing so great because she's still remembering and considering she has a real life, like a life outside of this. So she's coming in here at true, like there's a lot of people that come on the show and like, I just want to be myself. Like I'm just here to be myself. Like Brittany's just being herself and that's it. Yeah. That's great to watch. Yeah, I think you feel that, too, with her confidence.

Like, she is not jumping at the first connection. And Brittany is someone that we haven't really seen have a strong connection yet. So there's a lot of people in her position that would have jumped at the opportunity to, you know, seduce Romeo and get his rose. And, okay, there's interest here. There's opportunity here, I think is what a lot of people look at it like. And she's just like, yeah, no, I don't really feel it with you. You know, I go home. I don't go home.

Who cares? Like, I'm not going to fake it with someone that I'm not interested in just to stay on this beach, which I think a lot of people's tears this past week came from a fear of going home over a fear of losing a really, really strong connection because it's so early. Yeah. And it's just so obvious. and it just kind of makes, it's just kind of a gross thing. It's hard to have any sympathy for the tears because it's just like

it's not about, you can't, it's impossible for you to feel the way you are claiming to feel about any of these people. You just don't want to go home. Yeah, it's like I'm losing my chance at love in paradise, not I'm losing love in paradise. And that's why it's just so silly because that's such a relatable thing to say. If somebody would just come out and be like, I'm just really sad because I don't want to go home because I want to see somebody comes down and I fall in love. If you say that right away, the audience is going to relate to you.

Or I like where things are going, this person, and I want to have the chance to keep seeing where it goes. No, it's something that very few people, I think, figure out on the show. It's what made Ashley Ai a star, especially if you're willing to go back on. It's why Sinead is, I think, seeing some success is that everyone talks about being real and being authentic, but very few people on the show are. Because it takes some guts to just come down and actually be yourself. And I hope we get to see more of Brittany because she seems to be someone who is just comfortable with being who she is. And if people like her, great.

And if they don't, great. And if she sticks around, great. If she goes home early, she'll live. And that always comes, it's so obvious to see with certain people. We saw that with Teddy. And someone who just decided to go home which was abrupt but at the same time i respect the move like she didn't

need it you know were you surprised by her exit i was what i mean i felt like she kind of panicked my only i wish she would have stayed but i think think she was so worried about looking bad because she didn't like Andrew and Andrew is a fan favorite and a very likable guy. I feel like she went home for the wrong reasons. Yeah. I almost feel like she was looking at herself like, oh, I'm a villain. Like I've done something so bad that it's not like I can't be saved. I have to leave. Also, like all the cards were stacked in her favor. Like she, she, she's also a fan favorite. She goes down early. The guy that she's super into is super into her, and it's perfect.

They meet on the beach. Everything should work. They get the first date. Yeah, they get the first date. Everything should work, and that it's not. I think Teddy was like, well. Everything was working in my favor, and it didn't work, so it's just not going to work for me. And if I stick around, how am I not going to be the villain like there's there's more the odds are better that i hurt

somebody else yeah so i liked teddy last season i still liked her this season i did too i totally sympathize with her situation i mean i don't think she should have left i wish she didn't leave because i think she makes for good television yeah i think it's just yeah like i said i think yeah it's a disappointing and i think she went home for the. Yeah, I think it's a, yeah, like I said, it's a disappointing, and I think she went home for the wrong reasons. I respect it more than sticking around for the wrong reasons, but I think we have to suffer because I do think Teddy is a compelling character

and someone who is fun to root for, and I wish she would have been less self-conscious about how she came across or her brand, and I don't say that as a criticism. I can empathize with it, but if you just power through and just be willing to have things play out, I would have liked to see her get to know some other people. Obviously, the episode ended with Rodney wanting to take her out. At the end of the day, maybe she doesn't feel it for Rodney.

That's what I was going to ask. Do you guys think if she was really into Rodney, she would have stuck around? Like if it was, I don't know. I don't know only because, probably, but I think her exit was so abrupt that I think the only explanation is that she was just so worried about looking bad

that she, I mean, she's like, she doesn't know Rodney. So like all she could have done has been excited and think he was cute and he's all those, you know, he is great and he's cute and he's attractive. But, you know, Teddy, obviously, you know, it seems like, you know, talked about being the virgin. So she's a little bit more reserved and a slower paced person probably when it comes to dating. And so like, I'm just not sure if there would have been a guy who could have convinced her to stay given her fears of how things might come across. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I agree. I think that her excitement for Rodney or whoever came down was never going to outweigh her fear of staying on the beach,

hurting Andrew, potentially dating someone in front of him. Like I think her fear of staying was so much greater than any potential excitement that she was just like i gotta get out of here yeah yeah yeah totally justin let's talk about justin compelling character i'm i'm enjoying watching justin on paradise you know for a guy who was a runner-up in katie's season like we didn't get to see any of justin as a human being i've got to know justin i quite like him i think he's great he's making decisions that that are fun to watch and I don't totally understand at all. Like I said last week, not a closer. I also appreciate it. That's what I love about those guys. I was a little worried they're going to be bad at me because I said they weren't closers.

And then they did that whole spoof at Wrigley Field where they called up Andrew and then like a day later and like he pretended to be an actual closer in baseball. Oh, did they? I didn't even see that. Those guys are so great. They can take it. They don't take themselves too seriously. They get it. Like they didn't freak out by me calling them not closers.

But yeah, Justin is like the conversations he's. Here's what I don't understand why people don't get about paradise yet like if you say the phrase i'm just weighing my options you're fucked like this is not i you know i understand in real life you you definitely wanna you know uh you wanna everyone's the hero in their own story so you know you want to take things slow and then justin like you know also like he was like i'm just gonna he he wanted to come after his date with uh victoria he goes you know to in his itm i just want to be communicative and talk through and then he sits down with genevieve and he goes puts his arm behind his back it's like yeah so like what a day and then he goes

something like yeah it was like fun. And this is tough. That was Justin being communicative. Any conversation between Genevieve and Justin, the communication is just so interesting to me. I have so many questions about both of their choices. And then when you bring them together, it's just a beautiful mess most of the time. Yeah, I think there are two

people who genuinely want to find someone, but also are both maybe lacking a little self-confidence. They're not sure exactly what they want. And in an endearing way, I think they're both a little too fixated on being picked rather than prioritizing their own individual needs and going for what they think they deserve and not being afraid to be alone for a period of time. I think you see that same energy with Genevieve and Justin. And yeah, it is quite fascinating that the only thing they have in common is their desire to be picked. I really like Justin. I've hung out with him in the real world multiple times, but I think a lot of his hesitation towards Genevieve was the fact that he was unsure about how Victoria Fuller felt about him.

I think he was really into Victoria and just was insecure about that and then didn't want to lose potentially what he could have with Genevieve. That's what I'm saying. It's just a little bit of, like, I think it's a classic case of, like, claiming you have the best intentions but at the end of the day like putting your own needs before someone else's you know like how do you go from everything they said about he said about genevieve it's like i just want to like you know i like you you know like when he when he made the cake for genevieve

that was so bizarre so bizarre you just went on date, and then he acted like he was doing Genevieve a favor by basically presenting her a cake production made for him. Yeah, and she's like, great, thank you, but do you like me? I forgot about the cake. She's like, do you like me, though? And he's like, well, I brought you a cake. And he's like, okay, but do you still want to date Victoria because I'm getting no validation from you?

And he's like, but I just brought you a cake. I was like, Justin, you're not answering the question. You're just getting mad at her for being mad at you at this point. Yeah. Because you want this to be smooth sailing, which it's just not going to be. And he just told Victoria he was into her. Literally. Yeah, and told us that he wants her rose.

Exactly. And then proceeded to have a very heated conversation with Genevieve. But I was like, if you can be clear with Victoria, you should be able to be clear with Genevieve. He wanted to have his cake and eat it too. No pun intended. Yeah. There you go. 100%. And it's like, yeah, it's just such a, it's such, it's such, I don't think Justin's a fuck boy. I just, by nature, I just think he isn't as communicative as he wants to claim he wants to be.

I think you just, people are so afraid down there to just to like, and I feel like the women are better at it than the men in paradise. Like seem like because there's again reality and then there's paradise and paradise is not reality and you you should like what brandon and um serene serene are doing just like listen you have three weeks pick the person you're most physically attracted to and spend the next three weeks trying to get to know each other and just commit to that person because that's best case but this whole like trying to figure out you know and wait like every time someone says i'm just weighing my options you're fucked like as soon as i hear someone say that i'm just like you're fucked like you're not going anywhere and i'm just surprised by so many

people who are willing to outwardly say mic mic'd up and indirectly define someone as an option. Yeah, and Jen have even said that. I don't think Jess never used the word option, but I think she said, I don't want to feel like an option. You spent a day with me, you spent a day with her. Decide. And he was just not willing to decide. Like you said, there's three weeks.

There's just not enough time. You have to be decisive on this show and just make your mind up and see if it works. And I could be totally wrong on this, but to me, Justin being torn between Victoria and Genevieve kind of just says he's not that into either of them. I don't know. Do you agree or no? I think he was into Victoria.

I think he just wasn't sure where Victoria was and that made him insecure. And I think he was still potentially sure where victoria was and that made him insecure and then kind of it was and i think he was still potentially into genevieve i just i think he might have been more interested in victoria that's what i think sure i mean he doesn't know either of them yeah you know but i love i mean i love genevieve's character i mean i was gonna say it makes cheap i mean she's making great she's made for she's a producer's dream. Absolutely. Because whenever you ask her, how are you feeling? She is so honest and it's so extreme.

It's never like, I'm fine. It's like, if you have a good day, she's like, this was fucking amazing. And if she burnt her toast, she's just like, I'm just having a horrific day. She uses adjectives that are so intense and over the top. Is she the Ashley Eye? She definitely has some Ashley Eye energy. She feels every emotion so deeply. And not only does she feel it, she expresses it outward so intensely.

I mean, it's so crazy. You know how many times she was like, I'm definitely going home. I'm going home. I hate, you know, it's so crazy. You know how many times she was like, I'm definitely going home. I'm going home. I hate, you know, it's just like so... I know. I feel like this is not the last time we see Genevieve try to send herself home. I think we got at least like two to three more of her trying to almost pack her bags. Oh, and then it was funny when Justin grabbed her and told her that he was going on a date and she's like, it's fine. Oh, yeah. No, thank you for reminding me. That was great.

I want Genevieve to read this book i really i mean sincerely think uh i really want to know what genevieve thinks of it but she goes what did she say she said uh she wanted to put herself out there and then she's talking to like she's talking to justin about justin and to justin about like i you know she said i feel a stronger connection with justin in a day than I did to Clayton the whole time. And actually, as crazy as that sounds, totally buy that. I totally believe that. She spent absolutely no time with Clayton.

He probably didn't give her really any attention. And then for an entire day, Justin completely focused on her. So I can totally understand why she feels that way. so I can totally understand why she feels that way. And then when Victoria came and had the date, she's like, well, what can I do? And she literally says, what could I say? I could say nothing.

And I was just like, no, Genevieve, you can communicate your feelings and tell them exactly how you feel and draw that line of I like you and this is how I feel. And you barely know me, I barely know you, but I want to build off this one day and say, hey, we have a limited amount of time. How many days do you plan on weighing your options and go on this date if you want to go on this date? But I just so you know, I'm not waiting around for you either. Like, I wish she would have said that. And I wish she would have said, listen, not to sound intense and not to

like, you know, I'm not staking my claim with you, but like, this is a choice you're making and I'm going to respond to this choice. And I wish she would have said that. And as opposed to saying, well, you know, and I think Genevieve is such a relatable character, you know, again, it's such a hyperbolic world. It's extreme. But I think we all can relate to that feeling that Genevieve so like honestly describes, which is, you know, this like the combination of I'll tell all my girlfriends or all my buddies like these intense feelings and this excitement I have of meeting someone, but I won't actually communicate with the person that actually needs to hear how I'm thinking and feeling. And they're not like, I'm not going to communicate to this person what I want because I

don't want to upset them. I still want them to like me. I still want them to think I'm chill and cool and I'll freak out behind closed doors. And then they equate being chill with not communicating their actual feelings. And there's nothing crazy about just saying, hey, I would rather you not do that because we have something here. But if you do, I'm going to start making other choices myself. And you saw that with Justin as soon as he lost the rose. Why Justin pouting the whole time just because Aaron showed up? I'm just trying to understand. I'd love to ask Justin, what was the difference between what Genevieve did to you and what you did to her?

Yeah, because he called it hypocritical of her to go on another date. But that confused me because it wasn't like she said, hey, don't go on this date. I don't want to date other people. Like, it sounds like they had an open relationship or a non-exclusive relationship at that time in paradise. My guess is he accused her of being hypocritical because she expressed frustration with him after the date. You know, like we do this thing where I understand that it's just like, you don't want to ask someone

to do the dishes. You want them to want to do the dishes for you type of thing. And so like Genevieve, this whole thing is like, I, you know, she was saying, I want him to like pursue me. I want him to go for me. I want him to pick me and I want him to do it a certain way. And she didn't want to like ruin it by saying, I like you. We should focus on this. Like you do have to put yourself out there a little bit and communicate what you want. And then like, but either way, like Genevieve had the right to be upset with how Justin pursued Victoria.

And, you know, like I think she was a little harsh on Justin for being like, you know, it's like an hour into the day and he like, you know, it's like she wanted him to, she had all these expectations and she didn't communicate any of her expectations to Justin until after she realized he didn't meet any of them and then shared her frustration. And I think if she had done it before and I totally sympathize with her just being like,

yeah, it's fine, it's fine. Go on the date and not wanting to tell him how she was really feeling because that's hard. But I think she would have felt so empowered if she had, and it would have made that day a lot easier. She would have had some control back if she had said, like, I like you and I want to keep pursuing you. I'm not upset you're going on this date, but I understand. And I hope that when you come back, you can make a decision. Because at the end of the day, he is going to hear from everyone on the beach that she was having a tough time that day. She's not going to be able to hide her frustrations even if she doesn't tell him,

so she may as well just tell him. Yeah. Nevertheless, I don't think Justin was in a place to accuse Genevieve of being a hypocrite. It's like she had the right to be upset that you went on a date with someone else. And she had the right to go on a date with someone else herself. Exactly. But Justin basically accused her of being a hypocrite because she was frustrated at Justin's choice. And it's just like, well, no, I'm going to go on a date so you can also be frustrated

at my choice. In fact, it's quite the same. I feel like that happens so frequently in relationships of like one person doesn't love the way a situation goes down. And then when the roles are reversed, they're like, well, it went down this shitty way this last time so like we can replicate that and then it leads to both people kind of feeling like there's hypocrisy when it's actually just like this mismatch in the way of handling it and both people express frustration yeah 100% it's just like disappointment that it didn't go the way you hoped it would go but neither people

are like setting up front expectations with what their expectations are. It's just like, I, Hey, I want you to do this. And then, you know, like you still get, like, I understand we all want to be chosen. I understand we don't want to like force people, but like if, if you give them a blueprint of what your expectations are and they meet those expectations, not only is that, do you not lose any of the charm, but you also know that this person is going to make me a priority because if all I have to do is articulate my expectations or my hopes, and then they are willing to do those things, that's so much better than not giving them any clue what you're looking for, hope they figure it out, and then love them because they love you so much that they can read

your mind even though they know nothing about you what did you think about her pulling andrew into the whole thing too like not only not communicating with justin but then going to andrew and being like well will you tell tell me what he tells you and andrew's like no he's gonna talk to you he's gonna be transparent i thought andrew handled that situation really well because he she put him in a difficult position that i think a lot of people go to out of insecurity they go to the friend yeah and i think he did a good job of just being like look it's gonna be okay you guys can have that conversation he's gonna be honest with you other than not being closer i think andrew is a uh he's an a plus human i i fucking love Andrew. Like he does everything. I've very few

people I've met have handled every situation I've seen them in and in such a awesome way. Like he Andrew is very communicative. And even like this episode you saw with with Teddy, it's just like his willingness to just put himself out there. He handles disappointment so well. Like I just yeah, there's a lot of emotional maturity there. So much with Andrew. I just. And there's also a history of him doing that on Katie season. And I think this really legitimizes it where it's not like,

oh, maybe he just like wasn't as into Katie. So it was easy. Like it really like enforces that like this is the way he like handles like adversity and interpersonal scenarios. And he just like, it's so impressive. Andrew's interpersonal skills are an absolute A plus. Like I've, there's a lot of people who have impressed me from Bachelor Nation.

Andrew is definitely in an elite class of people. But yeah, I mean, with Genevieve, I think she's very sweet. I think she's incredibly relatable. And I think she's just a little emotionally immature. I don't mean that necessarily as a criticism, but as an opportunity for growth. You've all been there. And I think you're seeing, I appreciate Genevieve's authenticity of being a relatable character. And for anyone listening, I'm sure people are going to be harsh

and put some mean tweets, but Genevieve is at least authentic of who she is. And she allows us to have a conversation about these very relatable topics that relate to everybody. Yeah, Genevieve is not being anyone but Genevieve, and I think it sounds like, from what she's saying, her love languages are words of affirmation and physical touch, considering she complimented Aaron for being affectionate and complimenting her. So I have a feeling that Aaron's going to take the lead on this one between him and Justin.

And they also just seem like a better match to me. But I also think Justin could also be a little upset because there was rumors that Genevieve and Aaron were together. You know, I think with a lot of people on this show, everybody fucking talks before the show. Everybody talks, everybody DMs, people hang out, and it just makes it so much harder when you go down there and you catch feelings for somebody. And then in the back of your mind, you're like, well, if this person comes down, there's rumors that they might've hooked up

or they have talked before. So then you get in your head about that. And I also think maybe that's also what happened with Justin. And then Aaron came down and he's like, oh, well, I knew this was going to happen. Yeah. Yeah. I think, you know, Justin's this incredibly good-looking guy, you know, charming, nice, charismatic. He, again, like if on paper he seems great, I think he lacks a little confidence that I think people are surprised by that you see on this show. Where, you know, kind of like Aaron and what's his name who came out? James. James. Like, you know, like, again, like, Batchelor who came out? James. James. Like, you know,

like, again, like, Bachelor's Notorious for, like, casting, like, these tall,

great-looking guys who, like, are surprisingly insecure or who aren't very good communicators or maybe lack emotional maturity and aren't necessarily, like, the juxtaposition between, like, every time Michael A. talks on camera versus some of these other guys is this such night and day but did you think i flagged this and i don't know if

anyone else felt this way after aaron and james came down and james asked shanae on the date uh logan had like a little itm moment and he said the guy with the 12 pack is asking shanae on a date so it's like kind of a sign not to get too comfortable and I didn't know if that was kind of like rude to Sinead like oh a hot guy is interested in her so I guess I better step up my game uh yeah I guess in a way it was right like it was basically Logan projecting an insecurity that you know maybe he's not as in the physical shape as he wants to be or a little envious of the way James and Aaron look, but you're right.

I mean, it's a path. I don't think Logan meant it as a dig towards Sinead. I think that was him being insecure, and then obviously that came across that Sinead only is going to like him for his abs. It's also him setting up his heartbreak character. Yeah. He's already like,

Oh, I'm going to, I'm going to lose to a guy with 12 pack, but I'm a, I'm a good guy. Yeah. I'm a good guy. Also,

so far I like Logan. Like I enjoy watching him. Yeah. I think he's fine. I mean, he definitely can be an aloof dick when he doesn't like someone. Oh my God. That conversation.

Yeah. That was rough. Smiles versus turtles. He was, he was kind of a prick. It's giving middle school, like just likealey. Yeah, that was rough. Smales versus turtles. He was kind of a prick to Haley. It's giving middle school. Like, just like that, like, I don't want,

like, not even making eye contact, the tone of voice, everything. When are you going to come out of your shell? Huh? Yeah. No, it was definitely, like, I did not love that for him. Like, the approach he could

and should have used is to, like, get really engaged and immediately friend zone her. Yeah. You know, like, logan had to do was to like be like so i'm like really excited about shanae can i ask some of your advice like what do you think uh i should do blah blah blah how are these other guys like who are you into like all logan had to do was just turn that conversation on its head and just talk about his interest, friend zone her. And, but, and, but, you know, I'm sure, I'm sure she would have been disappointed, but he could have like made a friend and then he could have made an ally and then he could have been super supportive and he could have gassed her up and made her feel comfort,

complimented her. And he could have looked like a hero, but instead he just sits there and acts like her presence was like completely inconveniencing his meditation or something. Yeah, like he was playing video games, and his mom was pestering him about folding laundry. Yeah, I did not love that for Logan. I've been on the fence. Some weeks I'm defending Logan, sometimes I'm criticizing, but that was a low moment for Logan.

I think he was being he could have handled that much he could have I think Logan he just didn't care and he didn't want to try to care

and it was just rough to watch because Haley was obviously trying to be cute and flirty and sweet and he just could not care less

and I get not caring with certain in certain situations but like he did not do a good job of like empathizing with the situation and her vulnerability yeah she was really putting herself out there and he was

not even trying to kind of make her feel good about it yeah such a shame for for logan but an l for logan i don't know it made me want to root for him less i was i was hoping for a bit of a redemption there but it was just more like Yeah, you didn't need to do that. Yeah, I'm really curious how Logan will handle disappointment himself. I think not well. I hope I'm wrong, but I think not well.

I hope you're right. I mean, it'll be more entertaining. But I like to be proven wrong. I agree. I like an underdog, someone that'll surprise you. Yeah. But right now,

from the way he's acted, I think that, I mean, Sinead even teased the 26 year old, which a little ageist I guess, but I mean, she's essentially saying he's a little immature and it's going to come out. And it is coming out. And then we have Aaron and James

come down. I mean, they look great. Clearly they've been in the gym since they got off Paradise. They're always in the gym. I'll tell you what, they were on our season of Paradise. I had breakfast with those two every morning because I'm an early riser. And we were all up at like 7 in the morning just eating breakfast. It was just always us three. Yeah, I'd come down every morning and it would be Joe, James, and I

sitting at the same table eating the same breakfast every single day the entire time we were there. They are comical though. Whatever. What did he say about – what was the line with the beach? Oh my gosh, something about the sea being the best moisturizer or something. I don't know. Yeah, it was funny.

I think they're so entertaining. They're entertaining, but we agree they have absolutely no game when it comes to dating. You know what's funny? I don't know if this will surprise people or not. I remember James saying when we were on the show that he's actually like a serial dater. Like he is a relationship guy, which I feel like you wouldn't expect watching him. I think their friendship is like it's fun to watch. It's been good for them.

But as far as relationships go, it's a detriment to their personal lives. I think, you know, like I've never met either. Well, actually, no, I've met them both briefly when I hosted that date on katie's season but i haven't really gotten to know them i i didn't i know jay uh aaron's a fan favorite on paradise i i was not team aaron i just thought he was a bit of a whiner and a complainer and he just you know different didn't really focus on himself and i definitely think he's surprisingly insecure for someone who's seems to have everything going for him. But yeah, like when he was like,

who is he talking to? Was it, was it when it's like, Oh, I think I'm into you. And it's like, well, that's why I pulled you.

And it's just like those kinds of like lines where that's, they're kind of things that sounds macho, but it comes across as so like, I don't think anything that comes out of his mouth is that serious though. Like, I think he's always, it's always meant to be a bit of a joke. Yeah. He's scared to be vulnerable, in my opinion.

Yeah. Really, go for it. I don't feel like we've ever really got to know the real Aaron. I'm sure who he shows is part of who he is, this fun and goofy guy. But I personally am over fun and goofy Aaron. I want to, like, alright, this is your third time on The Bachelor show. This is your second time on Paradise.

I want to see Aaron really go for it. I want to see him actually try to date and be sincere. And not just, you know, last year it was like he tried to date someone, but he doesn't, he didn't really try to, like, he just tried to be with someone. He just tried to get roses from people someone, but he didn't really try to like, he just tried to be with someone.

He just tried to get roses from people. Yeah, he wasn't actually pursuing anyone. And he would get mad when someone like could kiss him and then kiss someone else. But like, he didn't seem really engaged with anyone and really vulnerable. And I hope we see that this time around because I'm just kind of over the shtick.

Yeah, I think we've seen the goofy side of him. And I think the best way to see the vulnerable side is if he hopefully makes a connection. It seems like Genevieve and him have a potentially good thing going. And I think if he ends up in a relationship that he's willing to pursue, we might hopefully get to see that side of him because we definitely haven't seen it yet. I think we started to. I think the end of the conversation between Aaron and Genevieve, you see Aaron opening up a little more.

And I think it's going to lead into the next few episodes. I also think they're both people with such like a fierce sense of justice that has resulted in them both being at the center of drama in the past.

So I think they will really thrive as a united front. Also, I'm so curious, what did we make of like the Johnny last minute Victoria switch? She played, I mean, the lines that were coming out of Victoria's mouth.

Like, talk about a closer. Victoria is a closer. She is an absolute closer. That's the only difference between Victoria and Genevieve is the confidence. Yeah. You know, they're both beautiful women. They both have, you know, passionate personalities.

But Victoria, I i think when she knows i mean in victoria i've gotten to know her she can admit her own securities too but she's still very confident she knows her self-worth yeah and it seems like genevieve hasn't really fully appreciated the value she brings to the table like she knows she does like she says it but you don't really see it with like just having some patience of letting guys pursue you and like, you know, prioritizing these are what I'm looking for. I'm going to communicate this and I'm going to feel confident communicating this because I know what I want and I'm not going to be afraid to disappoint someone with my expectations. And I think that's the biggest difference between victoria and genevieve but yeah victoria like you you see the confidence you see her open-mindedness and

and her and her playfulness and uh yeah the the way it was edited seemed like it was a bit of a all of a sudden of a swerve um you know because she went from like and she's very i love how she's very careful with justin she's like well obviously you obviously, you know, I had a good time. I asked you on this date. And then all of a sudden she's like, well, I'm going to, like, she timed it perfectly between Justin giving Genevieve a birthday cake. And so it's like, all right, well, I guess. The door is still open.

The door is still open. I also think she might have just had interest in Johnny. I don't know if we like missed a conversation with him or something. Because in her interviews, she seems like excited and kind of giddy to talk to him. And that was my favorite thing to watch in both episodes because we always see at the cocktail party, the last minute pull and it never works out. Forever's trying to do it.

Yeah. And Victoria just comes in and just nails it. But Victoria. Like she just crushed it. One of her many talents in this situation is she's a good flirt. She knows how to flirt. That's a skill. She literally was like, did the whole hair thing.

And Johnny paid her a compliment. Yeah, she's an excellent flirt. She's very confident. I think she knows that she has her pick. I think she's very confident. And whoever I decide whose rose I want to accept, that's the rose I'll get. Yeah. Such a bummer for Hunter though, because I feel like she really didn't like kind of rug pulled out from under you at the last minute, have no chance to prepare.

And like also she didn't really get like a chance to kind of like have a rebuttal, you know, like it was just like, oh. All I could think about was don't lead with poo yeah you know i i don't it's just like i i don't know anything about you hunter and i appreciate your vulnerability but like just don't lead with poo yeah i know i'm bumming you out ally but uh ally like here's the thing as someone with ibs i don't think i'd lead with it either am i the only one who's like, I thought that was relatable and lovely? It was relatable and debatable on the lovely part. I'm just saying like, that's just... Maybe not for a sexy dating show.

Her lasting impression will always be... IBS. Like, I'm always going to be wondering if she has to go to the bathroom. Yeah. If I meet her in person, I'm going to be like, just so you know, the bathroom's around the corner. I think it's relatable

with her talking about it and even talking about it at the beginning. I don't really have an issue with it. It was more just like the visual of her sitting on the toilet. Yeah.

Which is just like, I don't think we really needed that. Everyone poops. I get it. And good for her for being vulnerable. I just like, that is your-

That's your legacy now, girl. That's your legacy. You know. And it's unfortunate because I thought she was. I actually like her. I like her and I thought she was going to go further. I pegged her for somebody when I saw her to be someone that's going to get engaged. Yeah, Joe on Clayton's season was like, I bet you Hunter goes to Paradise and gets engaged to someone.

I liked her. I actually wish she had stuck around a little longer. And I did feel bad because she had invested three days in this guy thought it was a for sure thing and then one convo with victoria and she's out of there which that's a bummer it sucks yeah yeah the second that um genevieve like slapped shanae's but i was like that's friendship like that's the moment like the shot hurled around the world. That's my favorite part so far of this season is to see Genevieve and Sinead. Yeah, I mean, it's just like, listen,

whatever you, you know, on Clayton's season, I know like whether you liked Sinead or didn't like Sinead or whatever, it's good to see people recognize that people have good sides even if you don't see them at first. And sometimes it's not, when we think we hate someone or we think someone, you know, usually we have a tendency as people to feel a certain way about someone based on how we think they feel about us.

So if we think they don't like us, we'll decide we hate them. And at the end of the day, all we really want is a hug or to be liked. And it's nice to see Genevieve and Sinead find some common ground and realize that maybe they're not enemies. And maybe the common denominator or the real villain, again, is just the atmosphere they find themselves in and just giving into their insecurities. Yeah. It made me like Genevieve more. I felt like I expected it from Sinead to be kind of open to the potential friendship because she was kind of living her redemption story. But with Genevieve, I didn't know

if she was going to stay hard on the against Sinead train. And for her to be like, no, I'm open to it. Sinead's showing me a whole new side of herself and I can see this and recognize that people are both good and bad. And I'm willing to be open to this friendship. Just kind of, yeah, it made me like Genevieve. Yeah, Genevieve is a very likable person on this show now. She really is.

Do we want to talk about any, you want to touch on the whole opening Sally suitcase? Sally's not there. Oh my god, yeah. The skit. I totally forgot about this. I'm glad they're giving Wells some actual TV time. Wells and the acting pros. I love that they're having some fun.

Again, they continue to have some comedy. I think that's great. I hope they continue it. Do you think that story's true that he told? Of course not. No. No one sat in a trunk for four hours. Yeah.

Her suitcase showed up. I mean, come on. How do you feel about the fact that the girls opened up and went through the suitcase? Whether it really is hers or not. I mean, I'm sure she didn't pack a waffle maker.

I think it's kind of shitty. Yeah, I think it's very... I don't think... I would be very upset if somebody opened up my suitcase and just went through it. Yeah, I had an issue with that. Especially, I'm not even there.

The vibrate? Yeah. That was kind of a violation. Yeah. It was not. Not the right vibe. Yeah. They're like throwing her extensions on the floor.

Like, yeah, I don't know. I mean, I'm sure there was some encouragement for them to do that. I don't think they just randomly decided to open it up, but I had a heat. It's their call. They're adults. Yeah.

It was not okay. And then like, it was like everyone, they were all acting like it was the first time they've ever seen a vibrator. They're throwing it around. They're running it around the beach. I thought that was pretty rude. Yeah, I thought that was not cool of them. Who did that?

I think it was Jill and Hunter. Oh, Genevieve had it at the bar. Yeah, well, I think it was Lace who brought it to everyone's attention. And then they all went up there. And then I think there was like four or five of them just said like, let's just open it. But it's funny because like six of them came up and only I think two of them opened it. Who opened it? I'm pretty sure it was Jill and Genevieve.

Yeah. Right? I think so too. I think so too. What do we think of Jill? She's got a good personality to watch. I mean, her interviews are pretty funny. Yeah, I don't know how I feel.

I mean, she's very intense. Like what we said, like when she, she's like, I don't want to, I have nothing to say. I don't want to have a conversation with you, Romeo. But sit down, let's have a conversation. But I'm going to not listen. I don't know. That a conversation with you, Romeo. But sit down. Let's have a conversation. But I'm going to not listen. I don't know.

That's my personal pet peeve. Not even just like Jill. Anyone that says, accepts a conversation, like, yes, I will have a conversation with you. And starts it with, I don't want to talk to you. And I don't want to have a conversation with you. It's just my personal pet peeve. Have it or don't have it. Listen, Romeo acted like an idiot,

no doubt. But she is taking that to an extreme. I think she said, I've been dragged in the mud for three days straight. It's like, I think you're taking this a little extreme here. Yeah. I'm so confused whether they were just friends or not. Yeah, me too. I think they were just friends before the show and that maybe there was a hope that I could turn into something more down on the beach. But I know him and Kira kissed. I don't think there was anything physical with him and Jill. I feel like it would have been mentioned.

Again, for people listening that end up on this show and you do go on Paradise, just don't talk to anybody before you go. You have a two-month window. One bit of advice I give everyone, just don't talk to anyone before you go maybe you have like a two-month window one bit advice i give everyone just don't talk to anyone if you're gonna go on paradise don't talk to anyone and in like you can be friendly but be make it very clear that you're friends yeah yeah i mean it uh jill is um yeah she's very intense yeah um and she has a lot of expectations that she doesn't communicate directly.

Yes, I agree with that. I'd be curious. I'm curious to see where her story goes in terms of relationships because I do think she really wants to find somebody, but obviously she's off to a really rocky start. But she's very expressive in the way she speaks and she's a good narrator.

I think there's a lot of similarities between Jill and Genevieve. I think that's probably why they get along so well. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. I mean, they're similar in their intensity. Yeah, like in their emotional intensity and how they feel things and how they process things. I think the reason I think I find Genevieve more endearing is that Genevieve is really,

she's really open about her vulnerability and weaknesses. And I think Jill puts up more of a front a little bit. Yeah, she's definitely more guarded with her insecurities, whereas Genevieve's like, I suck at this. Yeah, she's like, I suck at this. I'm not good at this. And it's just like, whatevs. And where I feel like Jill wants to sound, again,

like she's at a place in her life that she doesn't quite really believe in kind of her confidence level or emotional maturity and and where genevieve is just like truly vulnerable with where she's at and the only emotion i think we're seeing from jill is angry and it's very hard to like when somebody just every time she's on she's mad and like you like romeo you are not good enough for me and it's just like it just and there's no, I just feel sad right now or any like softer, I don't know. Yeah, but I think that goes hand in hand with what Nick's saying

about her having kind of like a guard and a front up. For sure. And wanting to protect herself. Who'd she get her rose from again? She got it from Romeo. Oh yeah. And she accepted it. She did.

You say all these things to him and then you still accept his rose. But that's what I mean. Romeo did not need to go around and ask permission to hand out his rose. They are, like Jill, Kira,

whoever would have accepted that rose. I mean. And no shade on them. Yeah, I mean, but like Jill told Romeo like, like the door is closed. Like you have no chance with me. So he should have just gave it to Hunter.

Like give it to somebody else. I think he felt bad for what he did to Jill and thought that maybe this was a way to recover from what happened not necessarily like pursue a relationship with her save his character yeah exactly say nice things about me yeah maybe yeah yeah i think the you're scaring me line really got to him maybe he was he yeah actually and jared yes love that for them yeah and i love how i made it the uh the classic you'll never be with you i was like i knew i i saw when they started doing flashback i'm like three two one yeah i still stand by that comment they're literally married

with a child yeah well and she had to start dating someone else first for... I saw Jared wake up. He was living with me when he woke up and realized what he had lost. It wasn't until she was gone. Yeah. Sometimes... Wow, that's really how it do be sometimes. It's how it works sometimes.

Sometimes we have a hard time seeing what's right in front of us until that person kind of stands in their power. And as soon as you start, like Ashley and Jared is a perfect reminder. And I love them and they have an amazing relationship. But like sometimes we just have to show people that we believe in our self-worth for people to see it, you know, as opposed to hoping that someone gets chosen or we get picked or things like that. Sometimes you just have to say, I know I'm enough. I believe I'm enough. And if you don't want that, then I'll be just fine. And that's exactly what Ashley did. And Jared lost his mind. A little jealousy lit a fire under his ass. Yeah. I mean, it happens sometimes. I don't believe Genevieve is going to find love this

season. My hope for Genevieve is that she goes through whatever experience she goes through and she comes back next season a whole different person. Like my greatest hope for so far this season with the storyline I'm rooting for is the Genevieve kind of emotional maturity kind of growth. And she comes down this kind of very, you know, she's still herself. She's still an expressive, emotional person, but a lot more confident in what she brings to the table because she clearly does.

I just, you know, you just, you want, you know, she's a perfect example of someone who just looks in the mirror and doesn't see what other people see when it comes to her many, I'm sure, good attributes. Maybe Ashley, I will kind of guide her through that process. Maybe, yeah. I can see them being kindred spirits. A little mentor moment.

That'd be cute. Would you ever do what they're doing? Go back down? Yeah, it'd be fun, but they would never ask me. Have they said how long they're going to be there for? I think they were there for a minute. I think they're going to be on a few episodes. They don't say it, but I think they're there for a little bit. Yeah, I're going to be on a few episodes. They don't say it, but I think they're there for a little bit.

Yeah, I mean, I'm not a success story. Depends how you look at it. To them. I'm not a success story to them. They definitely like to remind people that love is still possible. Yes. But yeah, I don't see myself ever playing that mentor

role on Paradise. Yeah, it's a fun little twist. I feel like we've never seen vets go back down like this. Fun twist. Any final thoughts, ladies, from LA? Just my one thought

is that I wish they would do one Paradise season where it started with women getting the roses because I think it always sets the tone of like...

I think they have. Right? I think both my seasons... Oh, wait, no. No, no, no. The guys had the roses but my first season which was bachelor in paradise we were seven right so five the women had the roses because i remember thinking shit what if i don't get a rose twice oh yeah like uh heather heather right hayley hayley hayley or like yeah i wish they alternated a little bit more like just went back and forth because i think do you think it's because of like do you think Heather, right? Haley. Haley. Haley. Or like, yeah, I wish they alternated a little bit more.

Like just went back and forth because I think. Do you think it's because of like, do you think it's a numbers thing? Like they have more girls to send down to the beach. So they have to circulate more girls out. Like I'd love to do the math of like how many girls at the beach versus how many guys. Like do they start with guys with the roses? Like is it even or do guys get the roses more often and then more girls at the beach i don't know maybe i don't know i think it's just more of a choice because i don't think they're lacking in options when it comes to men or women

or is it like do you think it's like a the women give more on that first week of like really trying to fight for the guys than the guys get i think so and the guy i mean it's clear right like it seems the energy at least early on the beach is smart in real life or practical no just to like decide to like someone and hope that they like you back no but in paradise like they're it actually makes more sense you know like i don't i don't like that some some of the people on the beach are just hoping to be liked nevertheless like the women aren't fucking around and like you know it's like between justin and genevieve like i just like as soon as justin was like well i'm just i just want to talk i'm just weighing my options it's

just like what do you mean you're weighing you know it's just like it just doesn't come across well on paradise and i think you're right i think maybe historically the women are more willing to just jump in and start going for like finding connection. And the guys are just more like, well, I just want to figure it out. And I just want to like see, and I just want to like, you know, like weigh my options. And yeah, I think maybe it just kicks off paradise a little bit more intense. Yeah. I think that's probably why.

Now I'm curious what happens next week, but I think you'll, now that, you know, the men get comfortable being there, they've established

some friendships, there'll be more desire to want to stay as well and you'll elicit some of the same responses from them. Right. This week with the woman

having the roses. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's a good, I think you kind of nailed it, Serena, if I had to guess. It just makes for- It's a response thing.

Yeah, it makes for a better start. Yeah. Makes sense. But don't worry, Amanda. I'm sure you'll see a lot of men act a fool on the beach because all that matters is the more they want to stay, the more willing they are to be their worst selves. Yeah, they're hooked. You heard Logan. He's like, I love it here.

He's going to do what he's got to do to get Sinead's rose. How did we end this episode? Teddy leaving. With Teddy just leaving. They're hooked. You heard Logan. He's like, I love it here. He's going to do what he's got to do to get Sinead's rose. How did we end this episode? Teddy leaving. With Teddy just leaving. Oh yeah, Teddy leaving. Right, right.

I was just exiting. Could, they dragged on Serene looking for Teddy just too long. Somebody just tossed Serene into fucking Teddy.

I know. I know the poor girl had to wander the entire fucking beach. I'm like, she's in a van. She is in a van. You got to get that B-roll.

I know, it was way too much B-roll. Are they going to implement a different swimsuit policy next year? Because the poor editor that is putting those black boxes on everyone's butts. They do it on purpose. Yeah. I feel like they do it to make it more scandalous. It's more than it's ever been.

There's a lot of butts being covered this year. But it makes no sense. They've shown that so much and more on it. Don't they have to pay for the black boxes? I think the black boxes cost them money. Yeah, I feel like I've heard it's expensive to do the black boxes. I don't know why they do it. I don't know either.

Because they often do it when they definitely don't need to. I understand that maybe there's some more skimpy bathing suits, I guess, are in the trend these days. But, I mean, whatever. Michael A. and... Sierra. Sierra. I don't see a romantic connection. I see more of a stronger friendship building with the hopes of romance.

That's what I see. When Michael, he led with, I like taking things slow. And let me, I'm not in any way suggesting, like, he was very quick to bring up his wife who has passed away. And I feel like Michael knows when to do that and when not to. Like, I think if Michael met someone he was really excited about, I don't think he would lead with like, let's, again, that's a perfect example of how Michael was able to, you know, I think he kind of likes her, but instead of ignoring her, like Logan did, instead of making her feel bad he's like i'll just have a conversation with her i'll i'll talk to her i'll make her feel very seen but also kind of set the

stage of where i am emotionally which is maybe not engaged here because right off the bat he's just like you know just take things slow and things like that and again when we meet people like it's everyone takes things slow until... They get swept off their feet. And then maybe they still want to take things slow, but instead of telling the person that you're having a conversation with about a potential romance, instead of saying things like, just so you know, I take things slow, it's, hey, I'm excited and I'm nervous because I'd like to take things slow, but I'm just so caught up in the

moment. It's just like, you're saying the same thing. You just say it incredibly differently as opposed to like, just, I just don't want you to get carried away because I take things slow as opposed to like, I'm having a hard time slowing myself down because you're here. Like, it's such a subtle difference, but it means. It's a small difference, but the message is very different. Yeah. Yeah. I don't see a connection there at all. Like, but it means... It's a small difference, but the message is very different. The message is very different, yeah. I don't see a connection there at all. But I think Michael A. is doing a good job of...

I'll be curious how that relationship will end. Yeah, I think he's exploring it, and she's exploring it actively. I feel like we've seen a lot of make-out shots from them specifically, but I think there's definitely a balancing of expectations from him at least of like makeout shots from them specifically but i think there's definitely like a balancing of expectations from him at least of like okay i don't know where this is gonna go but yeah i think they have a strong friendship i mean they've had some really great conversations that we've seen well it'd be really interesting because michael is kind of getting this prince charming at it and

he is truly a prince charming in life but there are some like parallels between michael and sierra and like the energy and what we saw last season with brandon and natasha and we all know how that played out where like natasha seemed really into brandon brandon was just like i'll hang out with you because like i'm just gonna like i'm not pursuing anyone else so you're pursuing me and so we'll be nice i don't think it's gonna play out the way it played out with Natasha and how poorly Brandon handled things. But I feel the same energy between Brandon and Natasha and Michael A and Sierra. So I'm really curious how Michael A will maneuver out of that relationship if he decides that there's nothing to pursue after a certain period of time. But I also don't think Sierra is that into him. I feel like Natasha

expressed more to Brendan that she was like into him. I don't, I see Sierra, I just feel like they're, I feel like they're building a strong friendship. That's what it seems.

They did some making out. But they are making out. I feel like out of everyone on the beach, they enjoy hanging out with each other the most in terms of like

a potential romantic partner and they're just going with that other the most in terms of like a potential romantic partner. And they're just going with that for now. And I feel like I don't know who's more into who. I would say Sierra's more into him, but I don't even really feel like she's like, oh my gosh, but I think we've yet to see a lot of their storyline. I don't think it's going to be endgame for them by any means, but I don't know. I think we have a little bit more of them to see. I feel like we've only seen maybe one or two conversations with them so far,

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