The Viall Files - E532 Going Deeper with Brad Goreski - A Friendship Lost, 2023 Fashion Trends, and Surrogacy

Episode Date: January 26, 2023

Welcome back to another episode of The Viall Files, Going Deeper Edition! Today we are joined by celebrity stylist and reality TV star Brad Goreski. Before getting into the interview, we discuss Paris Hilton’s baby news and surrogacy, along with Oscar nominations. We then bring on Brad for his interview, immediately addressing how the pandemic cost Brad and Nick their friendship and why Brad wasn’t invited to the engagement party. Brad discusses his own marriage and new show before letting us know what is in his shopping basket for 2023… and what belongs in a casket. We find Brad and Nick on WikiFeet and hear that Nick asked Brad to take his pants off at The Grove. We also bring on our Texting Office Hours caller who complained about her friend via text only to have that friend mistakenly read it. How should she address the situation? “I’ll invite you to the bachelor party to strip for all of us.” If you are interested in running a book club in your city, send an email to: [e-mail] Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes. Or, put “Amp” in the subject line if you want to join our live show on Thursday nights. If you would like to get some texting advice on Office Hours send an email to [e-mail] with “Office Hours” in the subject line! To Order Nick’s Book Go To: http://www.viallfiles.com Support a Local Bookstore: https://bookshop.org/books/don-t-text-your-ex-happy-birthday-and-other-advice-on-love-sex-and-dating-9798212185622/9781419755491 To advertise on the show, contact [e-mail] or visit https://www.advertisecast.com/TheViallFiles Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @bradgoreski @alison.vandam @liffordthebigreddog

what's going on everybody welcome back to a new and exciting episode of the vile files going deeper edition i'm your host nick joined by ali and and Amanda and our Nepo baby, Kiki. Is it weird that that kind of like fills me with a little bit of pride that I myself have been successful enough to create a Nepo baby? It should. That's awesome. Good for you. You've made it. Again, I'm pro Nepo baby. She didn't even have to go to school and she's already on this show. Yeah. She didn't do anything. She did nothing.

And here she is. No interview, nothing. Just simply being my child. She just showed up. Yeah. So it's like, you know, nebo babies are kind of like pets, you know, in the sense that they get fully cared for and don't necessarily have to provide the same kind of creative input. But she has incredible talent.

And she wouldn't be here if she didn't add value. And she has staying power. Yeah. And she is loved. I've trained her well. Talent and training. And she deserves staying power. Yeah. And she is loved. I've trained her well. Talent and training. And she deserves good treatment. And to be clear,

I think all Nepo babies deserve good treatment and kindness. And yeah. Speaking of another Nepo baby, Paris Hilton had a baby. Yeah. The Asurga.

Hotel Nepo baby. Yeah, but Paris Hilton's also an icon. It's a grand Nepo baby. Paris Hilton invented reality TV in some ways. She did. Even Kim Kardashian credits her as being her role model.

And I don't think the Suite Life of Zack and Cody would exist if not for the premise of Paris Hilton. That's a fact. That show is built around London Tipton. So thank God for Nepo babies because without that, we would have an entire... Where would we be? Where would the an entire, like what would pop? Where would we be? Where would the show be? Where would I be?

But if Paris is a Nepo baby and Paris had a baby. Without nepotism, I might not be here. Is her baby a Nepo baby or is her baby a Nepo gram baby? Yeah, does it start with, I don't know. Anyways, congratulations to Paris Hilton.

She had a child. It was, I saw the announcement yesterday. With the hands. Yeah, it was't know. Anyways, congratulations to Paris Hilton. She had a child. It was, I saw the announcement yesterday. With the hands. Yeah, it was a really beautiful picture. And I was like, oh, Paris Hilton's pregnant. And then like, no, no, she had a baby. Because I was like, I saw Paris DJing at a party

a couple weeks ago. I was like, damn, you look great. But then I found out surrogate. You look great for being nine months pregnant. I was like, she did not look pregnant at all but um now she had a surrogate which fascinating would you ever have a surrogate would i sure you know like not really my call so are you asking i mean sometimes it's out of necessity favor of a surrogate no let's forget about necessity yeah forget about we're just talking pure privilege here if natalie said if we had the means uh to have a surrogate um would we be i wouldn't i guess

i wouldn't be i guess against it what are the downsides of it i don't know that this would be considered like a downside at all i think for some like people who are pregnant, that's a part of something they look forward to in terms of like a time of like bonding with a baby. And I think that level of also just like autonomy over if there are specific prenatal routines that you want to have like first person control of. I don't know if that would be. What about like the mental health of the mothers

the surrogate that is it the surrogate that that yeah so is that that's a really like i'm so curious about you know like how does it because you're you're carrying a child it's in your body there's a bond and then i don't know i'm fascinated by the emotional and psychological impact of that process i know someone who's been a surrogate two, if not three times. They've been the oven. For various families. Various families. Yeah.

And just so I fully understand an audience, like I'm using very basic language, but they're the oven. They're not the ingredients. They're just the oven. No, she's just carrying the baby. Someone else's egg, someone else's sperm. Yep. Boom.

Yeah. Okay. And the way that she kind of described it, or at least I think she posted about it maybe the first time she was a surrogate, was something in her post was along the lines of, you know, I have loved having my own children, but didn't necessarily feel like my journey of motherhood was complete, but I think their family was complete. So in a way, it's a really cool experience for her to be able to help other couples. Sure, yeah. didn't necessarily feel like my journey of motherhood was complete, but I think their family was complete. So in a way,

it's a really cool experience for her to be able to help other couples have the kids and experience that love. So she's already been a mom. Yeah. She has two kids of her own. Interesting. Yeah. But now she can help others.

And I feel like some, I mean, I think my mom liked being pregnant, obviously. She had 11 kids. I don't, I don't. She's a personal trainer.

She's fit. I'm like, in terms of a portfolio of who I would want to carry my child, a personal trainer is up there. And you can make like, it's like, that's like a six figure job, right?

I'm not sure. Does it depend on who it is? Probably. Like, what do you think the Kardashians were paying? Ooh, a lot because there's also a security element with that too. You know,

you have to pay for risk. Yeah. Someone finds out you're carrying a Kardashian baby. Yeah. Interesting. Also, sometimes there's travel involved. A lot of the times the couples don't live in your same city or state. Sure.

Yeah. You got to pay for that. Okay. Yeah. Wow. But I feel like it's... Couples can expect to pay anywhere between $40,000 and $70,000 for traditional surrogacy. I was going to say high fives, I think.

I don't know if that's accurate. That seems low. It probably depends on the situation. Depends on how much is involved. In terms of like why people might like it or not like it, I think in terms of like control, because I know with kids, like that's the first time people experience this level

of like I'm responsible for a person and like so many parents are expecting parents like really change their habits and I don't know what the conversations might look like about you know if you're like I want you to take these vitamins and I want you to do like this this and that like I'm sure there's a lot of that that's like kind of predetermined and that is like coordinated ahead of time and deciding if it's a good fit or not. But I wonder how parents are able to kind of like find that balance of, you know, of course,

like checking in on their baby that's being incubated or their fetus. But it sounds like your friend, I mean, it's she, in a way, like it's a career very, like she, it's not like just plucking some random person and being like, well, you have our baby

and then hoping you can trust them it sounds like there's a yeah i don't know if she works for i'm assuming there's some sort of like agency in which she's probably listed as an option is there is i'm sure very much so yeah yeah for security purposes for profile breakdown but it is interesting like getting more and more because i only hear about it when the Kardashians or Paris Hilton have. I mean, again, a lot of the times I feel like it's out of necessity, whether it's a couple who maybe is.

Yeah, like so many queer couples. I was going to say either queer couples or someone with fertility issues. Like it doesn't really matter gender in terms of fertility issues. Or again, if they're a queer couple who can't have their own babies. But I think maybe it's growing

in terms of it not being a necessity, more of a choice. Queer couples, I mean, obviously, but if there's an insemination, there's at least one egg or one sperm in that equation, yeah? Okay, I have a couple examples. One, I know a couple who used surrogates for both of their kids, and they used a different,

basically they used different DNA for each. So one of their kids is each of the parents. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. There's also reciprocal in vitro fertilization for lesbians that allows both women to participate in pregnancy. How does that work?

So it would be like one woman would supply her eggs and then the other woman and it would be fertilized by sperm and then it would be like the other partner might carry that yeah okay yeah okay i know a couple that's done that interesting yeah fascinating stuff anyway would you ladies be interested in something like that being a surrogate or have i would be a surrogate for certain couples i guess i know either would you want to have your own children first i don't't know if it would matter. I know for a fact I want kids and it's always just been like when career wise does that feel like it will be like a good time to embark on that? And I think it would just I think the way I could imagine myself doing that would be if I felt like I was still finishing up a project that was really stressful and I was worried about the effect of like stress on a baby. that was really stressful and I was worried about the effect of like stress on a baby, then maybe I would go down that avenue.

But I think at least for like a first pregnancy. You're answering it from, you would be more of the surrogate. Or like have someone be a surrogate. I don't know that I would. Like as women, I don't know. As a guy, obviously I'm ignorant to this.

I don't know. I think there's some women excited about the possibility. Like some women really enjoy the pregnancy period. Other women, not as much. Health aside, because obviously some people, unfortunately just aren't able to. I don't know what my situation will be. I have some genetics working against me.

But I think if I end up in the boat of not being able to have my own kids, I think I'm more likely to adopt than I would be to have a surrogate. Adopting is a beautiful thing. Yeah. Yeah. It's interesting. I've actually, I've seen a ton of discourse on TikTok about like adoption, like from adoptees and it's a really new, just like everything.

I don't doubt it's nuanced. It's a really nuanced situation. Yeah. It can be beautiful. I don't know. no i wasn't yeah i was just like more like wow no it's something that like i didn't always consider the nuance of um i would totally i feel like the number one way i could see myself being a surrogate is like if someone i was close to like if it was like kind of a personal connection like hands down my brother like you know like a close friend it's really a beautiful gift i guess if if you were able to my sister asked me if i would just like keep her kid until they were like six or something and give it back so i think she might

just want an extended surrogacy route but yeah we haven't really gotten eye to eye on that one yet so you're gonna have a a dog annotated in here? All files, daycare. No, it's her sisters. It's her niece. She's here. Thank God we got a big couch. Wait, you guys, did you see the Oscar nominations came out yesterday? Is it the

95th? I saw that they came out. I didn't really I'm manifesting it. I'm going to put this out here. I heard that the Wailed It was in voted best movie. Is that true? Yeah. was that a snub well Frazier got the nod for best actor which I feel like was certainly but not the movie I haven't seen it yeah let me read the all the best picture nominees have we seen it and have we heard of it yes I love that okay all quiet on the rest

Western Front started watching haven't finished haven't even heard of it? Yes. I love that. Okay. All Quiet on the Western Front. Started watching. Haven't finished. Haven't even heard of it. Haven't. One of the best, one of the few and best books I've ever written from cover to cover.

I feel like I've heard about it on NPR. You familiar with the premise? Red? No. Do you mean red? Red cover to cover? What did I say?

Best book I've ever written cover to cover. I meant red. Best book he's ever written cover to cover i meant red uh best book he's ever written cover to cover don't text your ex happy birthday it's a it's a it's a war movie it's well it's based in world war one and it's from the eyes uh when you read the book if you don't know like reading the book it's just a you think you're reading a book about world war one and trans warfare and it's more about it's from the poV of one of the soldiers.

You know, it really makes you kind of empathize with just the other side. And again, World War I, not World War II, you know, not, you know, but yeah, it's fascinating. Yeah. Avatar, The Way of Water. That's, really? I've heard of it.

Heard of it. Haven't seen it. I want to see it. I just can't sit for that long. I want to see it. Okay. But yeah, it's. It might be like, I always said like, I won't see it. I want to see it. I just can't sit for that long. I want to see it. Okay. But yeah, it's... It might be like,

I always said like, I won't see Elvis in theaters, but like, I'll wait for it to be on my TV so I can break it in half. I just can't go sit in a movie theater. I haven't seen Elvis either.

I'm not even interested in seeing it. I don't know why. So I'm not interested in seeing it, but my roommate, whose taste I think is magnificent,

said she's... One of the first impressions I had of her was she was like, I've seen Elvis twice in theaters and I would see it a third time if you're interested. So, it piqued my interest in that way.

we should watch, okay. Yeah, so Elvis was one of the other nominees. Another one, The Banshees of Inshiren. Started watching that. Inshiren?

Inshiren. Your guess is as good as mine, sweetheart. I've definitely heard it before. Colin Farrell, yeah. Started watching that, didn't finish.

I heard it's really good. I apparently i live under a rock but i'm not surprised okay everything everywhere all at once seen it i hear that's amazing it's okay i feel i did not finish it because i was on a plane and the screen was tiny and there was like what's so much ambient noise i hear it's you It is spectacular. It is just all of my friends who are like in television writing and who it's fucking impossible to please are like, this is the best written movie I've ever seen. But I don't care about that shit. I know. I don't know if you're going to like it because honestly,

don't come for me. I didn't like it. You didn't like it? I feel like I might. I was like, why not? I don't, I just like, it was like was like i understood the plot like it was her living all these different lives and kind of like this whole connected thing and reconnecting with her husband he was like i didn't want all the glitz and glamour i just wanted to be with you and there

was also like a moment where there was a raccoon on her shoulders and she had hot dogs for fingers and people were like cackling and i was like i love michelle yo but i was wait the hot dog for fingers that's it someone was watching it on a plane i was like i don't really watch a lot of movies on planes but i i weirdly will spend like a good 15 minutes watching the movies other people are watching it's always so much more interesting when someone else is watching it i don't know why and i saw the scene with hot dog fingers that's that movie yes yes yes yes yes i think what so many people say about it that is like beautiful is i think for so many of my friends who are like immigrants, second culture kids, like it is a beautiful story. Oh, totally.

Like, you know, and like a like cross-cultural. I'm not trying to like come for anyone by not enjoying it. I got the impression it was like, yeah, an artistic, beautifully, probably well written to a lot of people in LA. But it's not like inaccessible. Like it's funny and dynamic. And it's like the reason that so many of my friends like were going crazy about it because they were just like there is something for everyone like it is this top tier sci-fi movie there are moments of extreme levity like there's

like the way it just like depicts a mother-daughter relationship is so heartfelt all right i want to give it a shot i've heard too many good things about i mean like my friends are obsessed with it they've seen it multiple times They post about it on social media. Like I was, I genuinely was like, I'm gonna get kicked out of my AMC Stubs group because of my reaction. I remember when people were going to see it in the theaters and they just were like, they talked about it

like some sort of like human experience. Yeah, I loved and I cannot wait to finish. It's one of those things where I'm like, it's so anticipated that I've been like procrastinating because I'm like, this is so important. Anyway, next one, The Fablemans. Never heard of it.

I've heard of it. I haven't seen it. I feel like it was one of those movies that was supposed to get a lot of buzz. The menu's not on? I'm kidding,

but also. But also. Very captivating. Very captivating. Tar, Cate Blanchett. I don't know. No. Hadn't heard of itett. I don't know. No.

Hadn't heard of it? The La Brea Tar Pits. Top Gun Maverick. That's on there? Yeah. Best picture. Has to win. Saw that.

That's great. I watched the original Top Gun. I did not watch the update. I've not seen a Top Gun in my life. You're missing out. It's just an incredibly good movie. It makes you feel good. It's fun and inspirational. movie it makes you feel good it's fun and inspirational like it's it just makes you feel good it makes it feel good okay this next one i

will go to bat for triangle of sadness have you heard the nominal movie what's it about it is so good it is about um it's about a cruise for the ultra rich that goes awry it has woody hurlson in it that's and and i also I told you about it. I was like, we should watch this and discuss it on the show because it centers on this kind of like influencer couple. And I think it just depicts like conflict and fights in a way that feels like. Is that very nuanced? I want to watch that.

You can Amazon rent or buy. And it is also just a beautifully shot movie. Like it is like visually stunning to watch and like artsy and interesting but not in a way where it's like kind of like you lost me like it's just and like woody harrelson's so good in it and the whole cast is phenomenal it's a big life regret i is is after shortly after i got done filming the bachelor or my season was on air airing woody harrelson's brother came up to me at jones and it was a big Bachelor fan and offered me marijuana. And if you know anything about Woody Harrelson, you want to smoke with Woody or you want to smoke his stuff.

But I was just, and his brother looked just like Woody Harrelson. It was like, you are definitely Woody Harrelson's brother. But I was just like, I don't know if I know this person. And I had my guard up and I remember saying, nah, I'm good or whatever. And I regret that. So Woody Harrelson's brother, if you're out there. We're talking to you. Meet you at Jones.

You were very nice and very friendly. And thank you for being so generous. And I'm sorry I was a little cagey and guarded. That's beautiful. Yeah. Final one is women talking, which my friend Molly was really campaigning for us to see over New Year's. And I did not. What's it about?

Gossip? Women talking? What? All we do is gossip? Can't talk about things of substance? Okay. Women Talking is about women in an isolated religious colony struggle to reconcile with their faith after a series of sexual assaults. Heavy.

I think it's like akin to handmaid's tale like a very impactful and intense okay so probably really good and heavy yeah women talking is based on the true story of a mennonite colony in bolivia where from 2005 to 2009 hundreds of women young and old were routinely drugged with animal anesthetic anesthetic spray jesus christ are you ever in the mood to watch shit like that? I know. I know I'm not sometimes. Ever.

That's why I'm not a good movie watcher because I just stick with things I've already seen. Happy things. Anywho. Wow. Well,

Top Gun for me. Although, I haven't seen the Widow Harrelson movie and I feel like... Triangle of Sadness is so good and it's funny

and it's playful. It is a great movie. Yeah, I Harrelson movie. And I feel like. Triangle of Sadness is so good. And it's funny and it's playful. It is a great movie. Yeah, I want to see that. But I would. Based on Amanda's description, I'm going to go with Triangle of Sadness. It sounds like the one I would like the most. Yeah. But I feel really torn between Everything Ever All at Once and Triangle of Sadness.

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Well, we have an amazing episode for you. Brad Goreski is with us, my friend, and Stylist to the Stars is with us to talk all things fashion, our relationship. It's just a ton of fun. We laughed a lot. I hope you enjoy it and laugh along with us as much as we did.

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Fuck your one stars. All right. See, that's the energy that gets a one star. Brad Goreski, everybody. Brad, welcome. Hi Hi Nick. Welcome back. Well look at this gorgeous new studio you have. Thank you, yeah. We worked really hard. You were our first

male guest. Ooh. And I think you were like our fifth or sixth guest overall. Is that true? I think, yeah you were early. You were definitely within our first 10 episodes i feel like it was definitely within the first 20 and look at you now look at an enterprise how many what episode is this going to be 533 32 wow remember when you were like i think i'm

gonna start a podcast yeah i'll see how it goes. Yeah, exactly. I was like, you wanna come on and talk about some whatever? Yeah, talk about some whatever is right. You found your lane, though. Yeah, it's been fun. Yeah, it's good. I'm wearing an Upward. How are you?

You found more than your lane since I last saw you, that's for sure. Yeah. You found your Neil lane. You found... Oh. Oh. Oh, I wish I thought of that. Except that we went to Brilliant Earth.

And you too can come to Brilliant Earth tonight in Santa Monica. Exactly. Is that tonight? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Come to Brilliant Earth. No, I think it's sold out. What's happening at Brilliant Earth?

Another thing I didn't invite you to. Oh, yeah. By the way, let's just start off with the fact, we'll all answer the question that hasn't been asked yet or pitched yet. However, I'm in a fitting with Sarah Hyland, who is obviously a mutual friend of ours, and she's like, hey, are you coming tonight?

I'm like, to what? She's like, what do you mean? And I was like, what am I supposed to be coming to tonight? And she's like, Nick is throwing a surprise engagement party. I was like, huh? No, I am not coming to that. She's like, oh, are you guys going out? I'm like, no, I wasn't invited.

So there you have it. So that's not true, Ellen, to Nick. invited so there you have it so that's not true ellen to nick in my defense i have i feel like the pandemic really fucked us up either that and or me falling in love you mean just us like you and i oh our friendship yeah because i i was basically almost on my way to leaving gary and moving in with you before the pandemic. And then the pandemic came in and I was like this whole bromance that we've been nurturing for, I don't know how many years.

And then I found Natalie. And then you were, of all my friends, definitely the least excited for me. You're such a liar. Oh my God. You're like, oh, we'll meet her someday i was flattered because i felt like you know you were jealous of me possibly falling in love and like our connection of course you thought maybe i mean that's like a hundred percent guarantee you switched over so quickly and just like left me in the dust.

So you think I'm going to drive over to Sherman Oaks in the middle of a pandemic and meet your now fiance in a mask and stand 10 feet away from the man who once loved me. the man who once loved me. But I invited you several times to my house and you didn't come. And then you, well, I don't know if it was several times. They were kind of like willy nilly. At least twice.

You should come over sometime. Yeah, I was like, hey, I've got a new house and a new girlfriend. You should come over. I'm like, okay. Nick, is this a common thing for you? What do you mean? Thank you.

Jonathan Bennett also said, Jonathan said, congrats on your engagement, but I'm kind of mad because I thought if my relationship didn't work out, you and I would end up together. Do you get propositioned that a lot? Jonathan's full of shit. But we.

But you guys are in love. Well, Brad and I, we were hanging out. We'd have dinners, shopping, chilling. He was definitely a friend that was part of my regular. Like day-to-day? Friend rotation. Not day-to-day, but like. to day friend rotate not day to day but like rotation rotation we go on

regular yeah like my social one should be so lucky and John Jonathan not so much John yeah Jonathan's full of shit I'll just say I did not get the rose yeah I'll get you Rose thank you

I felt bad I would have loved for you to have come i would have loved for you to be a part of that day and i'd love for you to meet natalie well i'll come to the wedding you'll definitely come to the wedding i'll come to the wedding you have to meet natalie first though i have i met her at sarah's wedding okay nick are you going to give absolute disaster fashion advice sure if he asks you took you you but like yeah you've met yeah i'm fine you met her at the wedding what do you think she's amazing and gorgeous and lovely and sweet and all of the things that i am but in a female form no no she's she's lovely and i will and and i know that sarah absolutely adores her as well they're all super tight so it really does yeah so i like her way more than she likes

actually sarah started being way nicer to me after i met natalie yeah well you know maybe now i'll start being nicer to you too i'll start hanging out with natalie without you you can be on Natalie's roster. That would be her fault. Yeah, we'll go. We'll do like facials, a little spa day. Although I do really think you guys would enjoy each other. I think we definitely would, for sure.

Yeah. We have the common link. Yeah. You. Ooh. Can this be? So like, I'm hoping not only did I want you to come on the show and talk about you and what's going to come on the show and talk about

you and what's going on in your new show in life and fashion but i was really kind of hoping this would really help us like restart things absolutely it is a new year it's a new me it's a new studio it's a new studio i have a new love of my life here whose armpit i've been rubbing for like 30 minutes yeah the kiki the office dog i love kiki oh my god she started off by barking at me and now look at where we are now yeah it's great yeah a long way this is this is i hope to come that far and and that i'm rubbing your arm you're like i hope the next time we see each other that you are able to let me lay and rub my armpit. I'm down,

by the way. Yeah, I've seen your pits online. Is that like a thing? From the creators of WikiFeet, we need WikiPits. I think it exists. Pits are like a real thing. Really? What is Brad's WikiFeet score? Let's have a look. Is it higher than mine you look

up brad i'll look up i haven't looked at i haven't i didn't even know i had one i didn't know i did either until i feel like you have nice feet i do yeah yeah yeah oh oh no it's not good no no no no it's no it's great it's just like what's his what's his star rating thrown off by like the layout of wiki feet like i've never seen it can we show it on the yeah show it on the big screen oh damn oh wow oh i don't have my glasses on so i can't see that far but why are there a bunch of of me and my with my shoes on it's oh it's just me shirtless that's that's wiki shirtless which one how about this how about the screen grab her left upper left the screen grabs of me doing the whack dance on tiktok that was the first thing i saw that's hilarious that's literally so on brand whoever did that bravo what is his star rating

well I gave him a 5 just now did it help boost it I'm not logged in so I don't think my vote was counted but it's a 4.58 out of 5 oh that's pretty good right what's mine Nick is coming in as a 4.95

oh Nick that's high that's super high that's like that's like a like a really good that that's the uber driver you want to pick up right you want to pick you up as a 4.95 driver right not a 4.5 you know that's a lead yeah that's a you threw up one time that's a lead and what's my page look like there are a lot of photos of me am i on all fours i hope so the first photo of you is of you on all four shirtless you're in the background exactly i'm like what oh no oh no but you're like getting a pedicure you have some hardcore foot content though oh i but come on like obviously oh you also have a good arch too yeah oh you've taken a lot of uh slutty foot content i didn't know i've never noticed i do their front and center or a shirt

nick oh my this is basically an only fans you should start one this is just your feet this photo feet and calves that look at those thick calves, daddy. What's your calves? Wiki calves. Wiki calves. Get back in shape. Oh, I got to get back in shape. There we go.

Investing in my wild. And his Wiki feet rating. Oh, wow. Well, that was after. You discovered this page. Yeah, you do have a nice feet maybe that's what boosted your score we just have to make you call i think it was always pretty high yeah everybody if you're out there you're listening can we give brad a boost yeah can

can you take your shoes off for me right just take one i don't think you want to see them right now they're not good that is an insane thing to spring on a guest saying take off your shoes on our podcast but this is what it was like when we were hanging out together just take off your pants i'm like nick we're what are you talking about we're at the grove like no nick i'm not taking off my pants here that was the first looking at the christmas tree it's like you know those are kind of things you're like okay like i guess yeah you're not gonna come in the dressing room no i'm just kidding and then i want you to meet and then i want you to meet my fiance so it's like in that order which is it obama it's good to see you it's good to see you nick when you do your bachelor trip can we please

just send brad with like a camera or something because this is the energy that i think the people want to see yeah i'm not sure if i was gonna do a bachelor party should i do a bachelor party yes are you crazy you have to do a bachelor party with bachelors oh okay yeah i mean i don't know who would not want to sponsor that i'll sponsor it incorporated will sponsor that's a show are you crazy yeah that's a limited series that is definitely a limited series where are you pitching that

right here right now that's a great The Bachelor Bachelor Party yeah okay you should have started

filming a Ben Higgins like every Bachelor should have an episode yes Dean could have one Dean they're engaged. Deany babies.

Dean will make us go camping. Well, that's also kind of nice though because then you have like that variety and then you can have like, we're living in the back of a van partying and then like your like idea of super lux. Yeah. Your bachelor party theme

has to match the aesthetic of your Instagram. Right. Oh, okay. So your, yours will be shirtless Bob Ross paintings. Yeah. Or yours is like no shoes required.

Yeah. And it's just all the bachelors. Your non-alcoholic beer sponsorship. It's going to be a rager. Rager. Crazy. Try January. Yeah,

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Beverly Hills, WeHo. Yeah. Real friends of Sherman Oaks. Yeah. The real friends of the Valley. Of North Hollywood. Yeah. No, the real friends of Van Nuys.

Yeah. I'm working not only on your bachelor, bachelor, bachelor party. I'm also working on covering every single area of the greater Los Angeles area. Okay. Yeah. Do you feel like you're the star of,

you're going to be the star of your show? No, because as I say in the first episode, this is an ensemble. Okay, yeah, but you said that, and then you're the one going house to house to house. You're in more scenes than anybody else. Well, that's because- There is no way an ensemble cast there's no way an ensemble cast isn't trying to figure out how they can be you know the star the number one well let's just say

i didn't sign up to be the star okay yeah i signed i signed up to be a part of an ensemble and to, I think you'll see also as the episodes come out too, you know, a lot of, it flip-flops. And there's like talk of it because we break the fourth wall in the show a lot. And there's definitely conversations about, you know, the people who are thirsty girls. Who's a thirsty girl?

You'll see. It's brought up um but you know it like flip-flops it's not it it's you know everybody kind of has a moment on the show or many moments um i was almost on well i wouldn't say i was almost on your show not in that way they were going to were they going to like you were going to be the surprise guest at a dinner and be like Brad I've got somebody from your past

that I want you to meet and you walk in I'm like Nick remember when he joined Caitlin season it's actually he's coming for you I'm coming episode 4

at the thirst gala which James and Jonathan hosted they were like filming there and I was at a table with James and Jonathan and they were like, oh, we're doing this show. And I was like, well, I don't want to be on it.

So they didn't film once we sat down. I don't want to be an extra on a reality TV show. Of course. I only know one speed when it comes to filming reality TV. Which is? All the way, you know? I just, yeah. It's don't know boring right of course but i also don't have the i don't want to worry about like the headache of the edit of a show

that i'm not like a part a party to i understand i will say you know i i think the way that the show has come together is it's very evenly, everybody's storylines are evenly distributed. And then now that we've kind of got the episode one, meet the cast plus, you know, the first dose of drama, I think then now it's going, it moves into us getting to know each other and kind of the dynamics that form between all of us. Okay.

I heard that some people in the MTV audience were frustrated about where you guys were slotted in between RuPaul's Drag Race. Has that been settled? Is everyone fine? Well, that's a question for network executives. Network executives. Yeah.

It's not the show's fault. No. Well, it's also, I don't have anything to do with where the show ends up. I'm talent, so. You know, there's a massive corporation called Viacom that employs thousands of people that make these decisions. Well, they must be really believing in this show.

It sounds like it's going to be potentially really big. Yeah, I mean, you know. Is Gary in it? Gary is in the show. He is great on it. You know, I think all of us who have partners, I think it shows, you know, definitely myself and Gary who've been together for about six years, and they're also married. And then Joey and his partner Brian, who are newly engaged. So you see different stages, you know, of gay relationships,

which I think is a really nice thing. I think it's a great thing for the kids to see and really, you know, great for Kiki to see that also there are rescue animals on the show. She will get to see that rescue animals are also featured and talked about on the show. She's all about representation. She is. So are Alice and Theo.

One thing about Kiki. Yeah, as you can see, her energy is through the roof. Yeah. I can't even see her. Yeah. She's sleeping. She's going home with Brad. I've already accepted that.

I love her. I actually, there's a, have you ever heard of the Annenberg Pet Space? Oh, I'll have to take you one day. It's like this beautiful rescue facility. And you can go there and like see the dogs and pet the dogs. And they take in a lot of really high risk medical dogs,

dogs that need medical attention from the shelters because they have a full like basically a hospital there and they take care of the dogs and get them ready for adoption um so you know i just i love my rescue dogs so much i'm going tomorrow if you want to come great i'll clear my city um i go down and i actually i post the dogs that they need help getting seen and so i go down and um i see they have a bunch of puppies right now and so they asked me if i would come down because there have been a lot of pregnant mamas going into the um shelters and so they've been pulling them out with the babies and like giving them the puppies and giving them medical care so i'm gonna go down and put some on my instagram and hopefully somebody will adopt them or but they're in really good care there all right i mean i did

yeah like your little boutique dog i mean i did well that's okay i mean you got it i had specific needs yeah you you're very specific though your needs are very specific yeah i'm a very specific though. Your needs are very specific. Yeah, I'm a very specific guy. No kidding. How does Natalie put up with it? It's a great question. Can we get her on the phone? Well, our specificities in a lot of ways are very aligned. Okay. And that really works out for us.

That works with me and Gary too. Yeah. Yeah, we're particular people that we're particularly like. What's your sign? Libra. I don't know much about Libra. Balance. Am I a water or air?

What's Natalie? She's born August 31st. She's a Virgo. Virgo. It's an air sign? That's a Libra, an air sign? Fire and air is good, I think, isn't it? Are Virgos and Libras compatible?

These two will have no issue building a stable, loving relationship. See? You said balance. The judicious and balanced Libra and orderly, sensitive Virgo have the chops to navigate a relationship. Look at us. That's, look at, see? You met your match.

Yeah. When are you getting married? She just got back from Paris last night. Uh-huh. We haven't really been able to enjoy. Was she dress shopping? No. She was there back from Paris last night. Uh-huh. We haven't really been able to enjoy. Was she dress shopping? No. She was there for Men's Fashion Week.

Oh, cute. Love it. So we haven't really been able to talk wedding. I think if all things aside, we'd like to get married this year in the fall. Oh, that's fast. I know. That's a turnaround.

Wow. So I don't, I don't know. Like, I know Natalie would like fall, uh, the season. I'm less particular about the season.

Like fall here or fall somewhere else? I, we don't, again, don't know. I honestly think that we, I could see us getting married at some random city in America. Like, I don't see us doing it.

Coming to a city near you. I don't see us doing a destination wedding. They're on tour. A reality show. No, I think random city wedding. With Nick Viall. Yeah, coming to. 50-50 California.

Okay. Well, fall in California is basically the best part of the summer. Yeah. Right? Because it's like, you get that light breezes. Yeah, she picked the most popular season. Right, right, right.

That won't be hard to find. But a real fall would be like Vermont. I don't see us going to Vermont. A New England fall would be stunning, and I don't think it's in the cards for you, but I will say. Wisconsin in the fall is beautiful. Yeah. Some changing colors.

It really is just going to come down to finding the right venue, it sounds like. From the little bit I know about wedding planning, we have to find the right venue that is A, available and meets our needs.

Whatever those. Are there a lot of conversations about your needs being met? For the wedding? No, just the journey. Yes. Amanda's thinking. Right?

Yeah. Well, I think because you're a communication forward, like I think working for a relationship podcast, there's probably more of like an awareness and onus to be communicative. Imagine you just shut down. She's like, he actually literally just shuts down all the time. I don't know what he's talking about on his podcast.

I just stonewall them and walk out and gaslight them all the time yeah can't you can't get a straight answer i'm like those who can't teach oh my goodness i hate that phrase i know you don't say it like in a serious way but i'm like my grandmother was a boston public school teacher for 35 years oh yeah yeah sorry teachers yeah i know you can work yeah i know you can support you i know you could do it whatever it is you want to do you just chose to teach instead and that's beautiful yeah you would be a great teacher i almost was a teacher. Really? Yeah. What kind? Please don't say phys ed. No, I... Because if I walked into my phys ed class and you were my teacher, oh my God. I would be like, I was... Would you like gym class?

Yeah, but I actually got out of high school gym. How? I got a doctor's note. The entire class? Yeah, because I was bullied so much in school. Like the thought of being concentrated in a gymnasium with guys playing sports was like my worst nightmare. So I got out of it. But I also missed out on like, you know, hot gym teachers.

There was one, Mr. Rose. I still remember him, but it wasn't enough for me to subject myself to the other students. I just like looked at him during assemblies. It sucks you had to deal with that. It's okay. I had like nice jocks like you who protected me. So that was nice.

Yeah. Brad, do you have any sort of like wedding planning or marriage advice for Nick? Should I outfit change? Is that too much? Absolutely. Why not? Yeah. I think, you know, I like change? Is that too much? Absolutely. Why not? Yeah.

I think, you know, I like the idea of a change for the reception. You know, I think like post, when you're ready to, I think into dinner, you wear the same outfit and then like party time or dancing time, guys usually like take off their jacket anyway.

So like what would be the dressed down version of something you're already wearing you know or like the upscale version of something so comfortable to dance in and i feel like a common one has been like if i want to wear a tuxedo for my wedding yes like the full thing like the cummerbund like everything i don't know about cummerbund but definitely tuxedo and like we can play with the options but like i'm i look good in a suit i look good in a tux and i yeah you do i want to i want to capitalize on that that's my physical what about what about a gray sweat pant tuxedo little thing no but the swoot from new girl a swux that's a legit thing it's the swoot yeah okay no no you know what a white cocktail dinner jacket yeah

for the ceremony or more the ceremony that's the more dressed up one definitely i'm thinking like way dressed down like more like you change into maybe like a matching set in like a color that kind of complements you know whatever like maybe it's like a light blue shirt with like a matching light blue trouser or like a soft baby pink shirt open with like a baby pink you know or cream you change into like an all cream but i'm like seeing you in like a white dinner jacket like ralph lauren james bond carrie grant like very polished and then changing it to something a little bit more like modern and fun and like sneakers. Maybe it's a matching sneaker as well,

like a full monochromatic like. I'm down. I wanna be fashion forward for my wedding. All right. I want. I'll help you. I wanna set the. Even though you didn't invite me to your engagement party,

I am so such a generous of spirit. I will throw another engagement party and invite you just so you feel. Party of two. It's just Brad. You're like, I'll invite you to the bachelor party to strip for all of us. I'm like, oh, Nick, Mike.

Okay. You're the talent. I'm the talent. I am not an executive. I am the talent. I am not a bachelor. I am the talent. Yes, you you are do people ask you for fashion advice all the time yes and is it like that is it like annoying because like like because you're a

professional in that landscape like i don't i actually i don't mind because like if you love it yeah i do love it and it's also like for me it's just at the top of my mind. So maybe Nick isn't thinking that way. It's also like why my clients work with me. It's because I have ideas and it's like the thing that's kind of always at the top of my mind. So I don't mind. But also if it's like, if I'm actually helping you with something, it's like, tell me, you know, how I should change my closet. I'm like, I don't know. Like, I haven't seen your closet. If I go into your closet, I can tell you. But if you're asking for specific help with something, then yes, I'm always down to help. I feel like as a creative, like an artist, if you're lucky enough to like have your profession be in some sort of creative space. And it's probably easier to do those types of things for friends and family and to like offer advice or just like do your job,

so to speak. Yeah. Because like if you were an accountant or a masseuse, that was what I was thinking of was masseuse. Like where it's like kind of rude to constantly be like, can you rub my shoulders? Yeah. It's not as fun or like,

you know, to like offer like accounting advice because it's still, it's just fucking work. Or maybe there's accountants out there that truly have a passion. Well, don't come to me like accounting advice because it's still, it's just fucking work. Maybe there's accountants out there that truly have a passion. Well, don't come to me for accounting advice. Definitely not. I'm not your guy.

But like when my mom comes to visit or something, I'll take her shopping and I honestly like, well, I can go through the, like a department store, like racks very quickly and i'll just like go through things and pull them out and put my mom in a dressing room and be like try on what you like and like if there's something that i put in there that you're kind of adverse to we'll have a

discussion about it but she usually walks out with a ton of stuff that she wears like every like day-to-day stuff i'm not dressing her to you know go to red carpet events in port perry ontario but i'm like i help her get her day-to-day together and you know i see all the time she's wearing the stuff that i style her in but it's just easy and fun and she's always so happy that she doesn't have to think about it afterwards it's nice to have people that help you keep up with fashion yeah and like i was thinking about that, about my relationship with Natalie too. And I was, I was having a real,

smoking, I was having a little THC, you know? And I was having a thought, I wanna run a thought about fashion. I had like this epiphany about fashion. Uh-oh. You can tell me if it's stupid. Okay, let me know. But I,

fashion is a comet. A comet? A comet. Okay. Yeah, because a comet has, it's like this thing, it's a thing that, it revolves around the, you know. It orbits. It orbits, right? So it kind of goes in a circle. And a comet is like really bright in front

and it has like a debris of kind of gas and matter. Don't we all? Yeah. But like fashion is something like it's cyclical, right? It comes around and like, you know, different various trends, like things go in and out of fashion. Very much so. And it's, I think like fashion is constantly moving. It's going at a very fast pace right and people like you know and i think there's

most people they live on the tails of a of of the fashion comment right the gassy part yeah the gassy part where they're like they're not really keeping up with fashion like they're you know in the middle america or whatever and they're like oh like that's that's trendy but really they're just catching the tail end of the trend because they're not they're not on the front of the the comet that's moving at incredible speeds and to be on the front of the comet you have to really have a keen eye like yourself for for fashion and like as i've gotten older right i've i've always fancied myself as i've always liked fashion even when i was in high school i always you know i like the stripes and i like the polka dots. And, but as I've gotten older, I think a lot of like,

especially men who maybe like fashion, but it's not their career or just people in general, as they get older, they reach a certain part of their life where they kind of stop evolving. They kind of freeze into a certain like time capsule of style. And it takes other people to like push them out of that comfort zone don't you also think some of that though is the notion or the idea that certain things are only for young people well that i don't know because i i think a lot of the time people are like oh

well that's like too like that's too young for me. I should be X, Y, and Z. And it's like, well, you know, like. You know, Natalie's younger than you, right? And so she, I have my tastes and I have my input, but she has definitely pushed me to try certain things with fashion. Like she's the one who got me wearing more like loose fit and baggy jeans, like. Trousers. Trousers. And I'm wearing a lot more trousers now which i really quite like and she's always kind of challenging me to like get out of my comfort zone which i really appreciate and you're right because i which i used to do before

natalie yeah came along now that's that is true that's okay that was brad got me in the pleats this is why he didn't want to meet her i I know. But that's what I'm saying. I think a lot of people get older and I think they're self-conscious about that. I think they incorrectly assume that to be fashionable is to dress like the kids, so to speak. Right.

And again, I'm not doing everything that... It's not like a TikTokter shows up and starts wearing something. Oh, I want to be fashionable, so I'm going to wear something someone a lot younger than me is wearing. But I think you can incorporate current trends into your style and fashion.

And it's having people who are more in tuned. They're at the front of the comet. Yeah. And they're bringing me along. I'm not in the gas. Yeah, you're not in the gas. No, I'm pulling you at the front of the comet I'm not in the gas. Yeah, you're not in the gas. No. I'm pulling you at the front of the comet while you're in the gas.

I'm subject to being in the gas and just falling off, just falling completely off the gas if I'm not brought along. Well, we'll hold you inside the comet. I have a friend in Wisconsin who told me recently that he was excited that he stopped wearing boot cut jeans and he's moving on to skinny jeans. I'm bro we're we're we're gonna lap you we're way past yes i think also though it depends i the number one thing is what makes you feel good yeah right so that's where we start like we start with i feel good when i wear x y and z like you know you look good in a suit right so a lot of guys don't know if they look good in a suit or a lot of guys aren't wearing suits that are, don't know how to wear a suit kind of semi-casually, have the idea that it's just for,

you know, weddings and funerals or business meetings, like all of those things. But it's also, I mean, we do have access obviously to online shopping. there is access to clothes but i think you know also like if you live somewhere where there's not a huge inventory of skinny jeans and you shop brick and mortar which means in store then you're going to buy the thing that's available to you yeah and that's a struggle for people like when when growing up in wisconsin i wanted to dress not like people in wisconsin yeah try growing up in Port Perry, Ontario. Yeah. It was like, we would go to Winners

and I would like comb the racks for, you know, anything designer that was discounted. How could, for all the girlfriends and wives listening to this show who wish their partners, male partners might be a little bit more fashionable what would be two or three like notes to give them to help motivate their partner to try new fashion trends and things like that so first of all is do it for them okay i think like taking a guy who doesn't like shopping into a store to try things on is like

strike number one so i i think it's better to order the things that you think your partner might like and either set up some sort of like you know experience for them to fashion show yeah but not a fashion show but just like i think if you always go under the guise of gift giving or doing some like activity for them that they feel will make them hotter to you like i'll buy things for gary and i'll be like i think you'll look so hot in this color or i love i saw this kind of look on so and so you'd look great in this. I think if you take the action to buy the thing that you want to see your partner in and put it under the umbrella of like, I think you would look so hot in this and then see if they vibe, you know, and that that

can kind of like, turn the tide very slowly of like integrating things. But I think like going in and being like, I hate that you wear bootcut jeans. They're so ugly. Or you, you know, you look so sloppy all the time. Like we got to try to help our partners, like what Natalie's doing with you, you know, you already have a baseline of a love of fashion, but I think also, you know, like sometimes I'll, I have kind of my taste can go like very like like eccentric and so sometimes i will go in to in an outfit to gary and i'll be like is this horrible like tell me right now is this horrible he'll be like it's not horrible but it's not great and i'm like i can go with that okay i can definitely go with that but you're you make a great point like i anytime natalie is like you look hot or of course oh like i you know makes me want to have sex with you or whatever

you know some whatever your compliment is um that's so much better than saying i hate that you wear that or could you stop wearing that yeah like if you come from a place of love you will never lose yeah you know this would really turn me on if you come from a place of love, you will never lose. Yeah. You know, this would really turn me on if you wear this. Right. If it's a loving act, even sexy.

Yeah. Even if it's just like, you know, your partner wears like nasty boxers and you're like, I got you this. I think you'd be so hot. That's true. Cause when,

when Nellie asked me to try something, she'll always say that she's like, that looks so hot. Yeah. Even if I'm looking in the mirror and like, I don't know. I'm like, but she thinks I look hot. Right. You know, so I'm just going to go.

And I know Natalie doesn't want me looking bad, you know. Of course not. Like, I think on some levels Natalie, like, wants me to look like a trophy husband, you know. Yeah. I want you to look like a trophy husband. Yeah. Yeah.

I hope someday that Natalie is the earner in our family and I'm just, you know- Arm candy. Arm candy. That's absolutely the dream. It's not already happening. I do have a question, like- Yeah, exactly.

You just outed yourself, Nick. Watch out. On the other side of things, like let's say someone's going shopping with, like, a friend, a sister, like, anyone, and they've tried on an outfit that doesn't necessarily, like, serve them. Like, how do you kind of, like, lovingly and kindly communicate as a stylist when you think an outfit, like, isn't doing it for someone? Let's try something else. Let's try something else. Yeah?

Yeah. Let's try something else. Let's try something else yeah yeah let's try something else like you know i it's also especially when they come out be like i love this and you're just like yeah yeah it's also i mean it's it's just dishonest if you're if you're telling somebody that something looks good on them that that doesn't if they're asking your opinion that's the other thing if someone's just coming out and being like oh my god i love this i look so great and you're just like no you don't like i don't know if that's like if someone's feeling good like let them vibe but if they're saying to you you know do i look good

in this like i would i when i ask gary for an answer an honest answer i'm expecting i'm gonna get one in return but it also depends, I've learned at least for Natalie, I don't know how is this for you ladies, and I don't know maybe for you as well, but I've learned with Natalie, it's how she asks. Of course. Because if she comes out, she's gotten dialed up, and she's like, what do you think?

I can tell that she likes it. And if she likes it, I just shut the fuck up. She's not looking for my opinion. She is looking for the compliment to solidify how she feels in the dress or the outfit. Correct, fishing. Yeah, as opposed to like coming out and be like, what do you think?

Right, right, right, right. And then I think she's giving me like the green light to actually tell her what I think. And I, yeah, I learned that the hard way once. Uh-oh. It's like, so what do you think? I was like, I don't. And then she just gave me this look.

Like black in the eyes. Yeah, yeah. I really fucked up. Yeah. And then the rest of the night I was like, I was going to wear this, but like Nick fucking hated it. And I was like, I didn't hate it. I was just like, let's see something else, you know? but like she was definitely not asking my opinion well you learned i picked it

up yeah you picked that up but that's also keys to a successful marriage i think you know knowing your partner knowing when it's like they want a compliment and not really they want reassurance as opposed to an honest opinion yeah also check the clock because it's like if they're asking your opinion a minute before like 10 minutes after you're already supposed to leave the house just be like you look beautiful so good let's go like you don't want to get into that's so smart yeah check the clock babe like if you're running like if you're supposed to already be there and you're talking about outfits, like you look beautiful. Five minutes before we have to leave.

Correct. Because then it turns into like an hour late and you're like, Oh great. An hour late or them not feeling. Yeah. Well, I'll just stay home. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Check the clock. Speaking of trends. Yeah. Do you want to play a little game with us? Sure. Great.

Do pictures come up on the TV? Yeah. with pictures on the tv i will just say that i just want to point out to everybody that kiki is still enjoying her armpit rub so she really i love that yeah for all the people listening at home i also love the formation of the upper the arch paw It's so good. Wiki paws. Is there such a thing? Wait, should we make Kiki a wiki's paws? Every dog deserves a five. I'm sorry if a single person gets it. Imagine if it was a scratch and sniff.

Do you sniff your dog's paws? No. You don't? She's walking on the streets of NoHo. They smell like Fritos. Yeah, it's the best. Fritos and pine needles. There's like a slight streets of NoHo. Jeff's paws smell like Fritos. Yeah, it's the best. Fritos and like pine needles. There's like a slight hint of the forest. They're dirty. There's nothing about Jeff that is dirty to me. Yeah, but you like have a yard with turf

that you know is clean. I walk her on the streets. Does she kiss you on the mouth? Yeah. Jeff, I've been like really busy. Like Natalie's been gone. I've been busy. Jeff's been,

like I haven't brushed Jeff in a minute. He's been mangy. He needs a bath. And like, I don't care. Like he been, like I haven't brushed Jeff in a minute. He's been mangy. He needs a bath and like, I don't care. Like he's fucking stinks, but like, they're the best.

He sleeps on my face. I'm going to give you a tip, a pro tip. You can take the end of your finger and just like rub like a tiny little bit, like just in between where the fur and the paw is

and then get a little sniff and you'll get the essence. All right. Yeah, it's Fritos. Do you do that too to your dog? No, I just. Yeah, just grab and sniff. Straight up.

I just put his hand... The best time to do it, by the way, is first thing in the morning after they've been like... Have you seen those TikToks where the people will lift up the blanket and their dog will be under it and it will say like,

oh, it smells like a Fritos factory in here. I have not seen that. Really? No. Can we find that? I love my algorithm. Yeah. My algorithm is a lot of cooking we find that? I love my algorithm. Yeah. My algorithm is a lot of cooking.

Is it? On TikTok, yeah. That's interesting. I like to cook. But are you liking and interacting with a lot of that content? Yeah. Okay, that's why. I interact with a lot of dog content.

Yeah, because I like to cook, but I'm a creature of habit. So I cook what I know a lot. And it's just like, I need, we need more recipes and we, and I've been finding some good ones on TikTok. Oh, we'll have to discuss that after we do trends. 2023 fashion shopping basket or casket.

That's what you have to tell us. Okay. Is it going in your shopping basket or does it belong in a casket? Great. All right. You ready? Yes. Okay.

Feathers. Oh my God. Basket. Okay. Going in the casket. Great. All right. You ready? Yes. Okay. Feathers. Oh, my God. Basket. Okay. Going in the basket. Yes, I love feathers. There's an all over pink feather dress. So it's like a cocktail dress.

There's like a little dabble of flowers around one mini dress hemline and one on the shoulders. And then kind of like a great Gatsby-esque flowers, like flappery. I feel like the, the like feathery tube tops are becoming a thing. I've seen a lot of this. I was going to wear one today. Is this women's?

Oh no. So men also feathers. Yeah. I saw it on, on, on real housewives of WeHo. One of your real friends, whatever the fuck it was.

Toddrick. That's a microaggression. Listen, it was Toddrick that's a microaggression listen uh it was todrick had feathers on his blazer that was a look yeah did you like that yeah i love that you love there i was like i don't think i could wear that i don't think i could wear that you could i could i could basically put it on for your reception i think i would be a little self-conscious yeah you and natalie and matching like feather trims i don't know if she would like it on me i don't know either all right feathers are going in the basket all right platinum blonde yes men and women yes everybody we love platinum blonde everybody does it i think people we all start dyeing our

hair platinum blonde like around like mid-april that's when you start seeing everybody on instagram being like going blonde i i went platinum blonde in high school wow the whole thing or just the tips i think i could find uh it was kind of essentially the whole thing. Just the tip. Brad! One singular tip. One singular tip. Drop down. Like in freaking Hunger Games. Not tips. Pubic hair.

Yes. I used to balayage my hair. I feel like you would pull that off well. Gary loved it. He was like when we first met, he wanted me to be like a surfery Brad Pitt fight club blonde. No, it was,

it was a lot of upkeep too. Yeah. Lots. Okay. All right. I, I, I thought of,

of doing the platinum blonde, uh, an adult life, but Natalie said no. I'm with Natalie. Okay. Yeah. Sure.

You're good. How do you like the, the faux hawk? You know, I clocked that when I came in. I feel with Natalie. Okay. Yeah. She wanted to mix it up. You're good. How do you like the faux hawk? You know, I clocked that when I came in. I feel like it's a fullet. Fullet? I would really, like, what would- This is all Natalie. And, like, when I-

She likes the faux hawk? She just, she, this is her, I wouldn't even have done this on my own. And then we, in our engagement photos, I just said to her, i want to i want a note and i want an acknowledgement that this was your idea and so 10 or 15 years from now when our kids are making fun of me i'm going to blame you uh and she's like she's i think you should tighten it up for the wedding oh yeah i'm not keeping that for the wedding if you i i don't mind it now

i like it and it's fun it gets it's a it's a look i like a little tail but like i'm definitely not i bet you do yeah um i feel like if you tightened it up with like a like if you tightened your hair up with like a fade and like did it like a little shorter and like texture on the top yeah jesus christ oh all right that's about w basket wicky hair would be going crazy I want Jesus Christ when I am at

the altar that's what I want everyone's reaction to what did you just say just do it again Jesus Christ that's what I want

that's the reaction I want well okay I'm gonna leave it there okay alright crop tops love

basket I feel like they've been the reason I asked that looks like a Natalie outfit right there literally I'm going to leave it there. Okay. All right. Crop tops. Love. Basket. I feel like they've been, the reason I asked is because I just feel like they've been in for a while. A long time. A long time. And when they first came out, like years and years ago,

everyone was like, no one's going to wear the crop top. Cut to. Now. Yeah. All right. Fanny pack purses across the, across the front.

Yeah. I mean, episode three three i'm wearing one so i'm gonna say yes i wear mine like almost every day yeah so i was hoping you would say yeah definitely what about what about i have like a version this is like i have a version of one that i use every day so i love that yeah and what about just oh sorry honey and do you recommend that for men in general the fanny pack yeah or like a man bag yeah immerse nate nate had one bag nate could pull off anything that's a thing it's like seven foot it's all tatted up it's gorgeous the jewelry i really think the jewelry adds now do

you yeah how do you feel like now he's trying to get me back into jewelry yeah i'll tell gary i'll like i'll just buy me diamonds i don't want to yeah i literally i'm i literally want to be like a beverly hills lady shopping through whole foods that like well according to nick you already are real housewife of beverly hills we ho um i am i want to be like in a chan, dripping in diamonds, like maybe an earring, a necklace and rings and tennis bracelets. And then just like, so just like your average ordinary in touch person shopping for like chicken thighs. Mary fuck kill bracelet, ring,

earring. Okay. Mary ring, fuck bracelet, kill earring. Okay. Yeah. I like that.

What about necklace? Yeah. That wasn't one of the options. Let's get rings out of it because I feel like you're wearing rings now. I would fuck a necklace. Yeah.

I'm hiding mine right now. Yeah. Cute. I need to get a necklace. Yeah, you do. Brilliant Earth, I think, is going to gift me a gold,

either a gold bracelet or a necklace. Do you think I should go? What is Brilliant Earth? What is going on at Brilliant Earth? What. Brilliant Earth, I think, was going to gift me a gold. It was either a gold bracelet or a necklace. Do you think I should go? What is Brilliant Earth? What is going on at Brilliant Earth? What is Brilliant Earth? They're a jewelry company that my cousin works for. Okay.

And that's where I got Natalie's ring. And are you doing like a wine and cheese tonight? Like what's happening? They're opening a store and I'm helping my cousin out. Where is it? It's in Santa Monica. Santa Monica. It's on Thursday,

which for the people listening is today. Tomorrow. Thursday, I have dinner at Craig's. I can't. Yeah, the tracks. With my,

actually with my real friends of WeHo. Are you filming? No, I'm just like, I hang out with them. We're like, we're like friends now. We're actually friends.

We're like actually friends now. Yeah. Well, that isn't always the case. No, it's. Do you have any people you like less of course i mean der we like filmed a tv show together but i don't really like anybody i don't like anybody less but there are people that i became much closer to on the show okay yeah but i i love everybody on the cast i think the casting is great and we had all a good time filming together. But yeah, there's definitely like a group of us

that are still very much in contact. Who are you closest with? Curtis and Joey I talk to like almost every day. I haven't met Joey. And Todrick is in that loop as well. I've met Todrick. But Todrick is now on a cruise with his mom. So he's like not super active in the chat right now,

but should we get Joey on this show? Sure. Can we get Curtis on this show? Sure. Yeah. Talk to Patrick. Dirk. Fanny.

All right. Back to purses. All right. Back to our game. Sweater vest. Love, love, love,

love. I've been looking for one. I just have to say, you have to be careful. I wear it like that. No, you have to, you have to be careful. Do I wear it like that? No, you have to be careful. Because I don't know if I want to look like that. You need something a little cropped.

It can't be all the ones I've been getting are like. So a little shorter with maybe a baggy pleated pant? Yeah, or like a jean and like a t-shirt underneath it. A t-shirt. Yeah, just like super chill. It's very 90s. Yeah, we used to do that in the 90s. Yeah.

Are the 90s coming back? Are they back? Huge. Huge. How old are you? Are you like 42? Yeah. Yeah.

We're like the same age-ish. I'm a little bit your daddy. Oh. Curtain bags. Curtain bags? Yes. We love a curtain bag

for the listeners you are blushing well the roles have reversed Nick we were just about to get to that stage and then you met Natalie I love a curtain bang just like

almost there you would be dripping in diamonds right now I love a curtain bang. Just like... Almost there. You would be dripping in diamonds right now. Oh, all right. Cargo pants? Yes. I got asked this question the other day. I got asked this question the other day. I almost wore a cargo pant today.

Oh. Yeah. So we like the cargo. We love a cargo. We're very into it. Great. It's a great way to like... i think it's kind of like a new like there was everybody was doing the faux leather pant for a while and now i think this is kind of like take your faux leather like work shirt and your like crop top and put it with a cargo so i need to find a cargo pant yeah i'll actually go shopping with

you for those because i all i don't know what's happening to my body. My bones are growing, but like all of my pants today were like too short on me. Yeah, I don't think they'd shrunk. But I was like, I have like four, three pairs of pants on the floor at home. So I was like, why are they all cropped all of a sudden? I know. Been eating your vegetables. Yes. All right.

Oversized blazers. I love an oversized blazer, but they're tricky. How so? Because, I mean, that's one thing that's challenging for me to wear because of my size. You could probably do it because you're taller than me and a little bit bigger. But I'm like, I can't. It sometimes works for me. Tailored looks better.

What about Rex for women? How is that? I think it works. I mean, I'm most women I've seen it on. It works really, really well. It just depends.

You have to kind of pair something, you know, a little, you have to purposefully pair something with it. But I also like the combo. I've been, I have to do my oversize with like a hoodie underneath it. Like I can't wear it with something too thin and loose.

I see. A crop top would be great, but I don't know if everybody wants to see my furry stomach walking around. I don't think I could crop top. You could. High-low dresses. I like a high-low dress.

Really? I do, yeah. Is there anything you would put in a casket? Because it seems like you've been very positive with the ones we came up with. I feel like high-low dresses should stay in the 2010s. Really? Why? I feel like they're all over the red carpet right now. I feel like they're making such a comeback.

I just feel like it reminds me of high school dances. Really? Where were you going to high school? Girl, we were wearing like we were wearing like jeans and like flannel shirts high low dresses to a high school dance honey i went to the wrong high school gotta go to an all-girls school what would i put in the casket um like wedge sneakers okay wedge sneaker could go in the casket. That could definitely go in the casket. Yeah, what else? Yeah. What are things that you're just like seeing out there

and it's just like, Could never be me. Stop, please stop. It's over. It's dead. Move on. I don't know. I mean, I don't really know.

Will it go in the casket? I don't know. I mean, I feel like really know. Will it go in the casket? I don't know. I mean, I feel like everybody's wearing everything right now. It could be a color that you particularly hate. An aesthetic. I feel like there's certain trends that people get carried away with. And there's too much at once. Like what?

What do you think? I don't know. Silly bands. What's a silly band? It's like when you're in what? What do you think? I don't know. Silly bands. What's a silly band? It's like when you're in middle school, they were like these little rubber bands that were shaped like animals. I just had snot come out.

Let's talk skinny jeans on men. Are they completely out? Are they still? I don't think those are a thing anymore. They're completely out. Yeah. I can't. Because I still have a plethora

Of some skinny jeans No I like this look on you Did Natalie get these jeans for you? Which Yeah kind of Yeah I like those jeans a lot better These are my favorite jeans right now Yeah I'm not into

I'm not into skinny jean Okay Mary Fett Kill Skinny jean Bootcut jeans And Like I don't want bootcut to ever come back Wait I kinda like

Wanna get some Well the bootcut Is coming back I want to get some well the boot cut is coming back i kind of want to get like flared pants for man or back oh my god yeah are we gonna have like a what's it called like the bless this mess era like you know like that aesthetic of like boot cut like like fall like basic don't you feel like kind of the i mean the 90s all of the stuff from the 90s everybody was just like i can't believe we wore that when we actually wore it in the 90s everybody's wearing again right and so it's next i feel like like the 20 maybe i i've worn comments coming

back around two suits recently with like flared legs and people are very mad oh yeah they get very upset about a flared leg on a man i i'm one of them really i just yeah or like a wide leg trouser with a suit for a suit for a trouser i i'm open to the loose trouser that's flowy uh-huh i'm open to that okay maybe a pleat yeah front you know blinders yeah um and even like a you know but peaker blinders kind of it was a narrow yeah i guess it would be a little bit more like um downton appay i'm open to that but like a boot like a flare uh-huh like 70s yeah i don't i don't want any part of that i'm into it's kind of hot like if you do like a flare. Uh-huh. Like 70s. Yeah. I don't want any part of that. I'm into it. It's kind of hot. Like if you do like a flare,

like a high-waisted flare with like a t-shirt and like a sneaker or even a boot, I think that's kind of sexy. I mean, it's very Harry Styles. And Harry is so hot. Now you're speaking his language. You hooked him. Are you going?

I've gone. He's back this week, I think, for those rescheduled dates. Oh, I went. He didn't cancel on me. Oh. Yeah. He's back this week, I think, for those rescheduled dates. Oh, I went. He didn't cancel on me. Oh. Yeah. He knew Nick was coming.

You personalized that. Yeah. He didn't cancel on me. Are you a big Harry fan? Yeah. Oh, well, all of this stuff is very Harry. If Harry's doing it, I'll try it. Yeah.

That's the power of Harryry styles should we do some texting oh yeah we're just ready to go so should we do quick texting all right texting off hours let's rock and roll how's it going hey nick i'm good how are you good what's your name uh my name is amber and i am 28 years old how can we Amber? So I need some help. I need advice on potentially drafting a text to a good friend of mine, decent friend of mine, who saw some private text messages that I had sent another mutual friend, which I would prefer she had not seen. How did she see them? Did you actually send it to her?

No. She saw it on the phone of a mutual friend of ours when those two were at dinner you sent it to the friend she was you didn't know she was there no so this was a text from a couple months before they had gotten dinner what did you say before i had sent the text they were at dinner what did you say we were talking about some drama going on between the friend who saw the text message and then another friend of ours. And it had come up about, because I've had issues with this girl in the past as well. So the text that she saw that I really didn't want her to see was, I was over her tantrums and she has driven me nuts in the past too. Yeah.

Yeah. And then my friend who I was texting agreed with it. And, um, she basically stormed up out of the dinner and left and I was not in attendance at this dinner. I now live in a different city from them. When did this happen?

About a week ago. And I have not heard from the friend who read the message who wasn't supposed to, but my friend who was at dinner with her told me what happened. from the friend who read the message who wasn't supposed to but my friend who was at dinner with her told me what happened so why did she read the message because we were talking about a conflict between her and another girl and my friend who was at dinner with her was like oh we were talking about that too let me see what she said not realizing that I had said the tantrum comment so she kind of like

went and grabbed her phone and then started like scrolling through our text messages and saw that i had said that and then she just like stormed up and left so so you could say she threw a bit of a tantrum she threw a tantrum sounds like an episode of the real friends of weho people are like it's not real it's not real i'm, girl, this is what's happening on the show. And this is real life. She didn't even pay her check. She just up and left. Oh, wow. And so what is your goal here? Like, what do you hope to accomplish? So, okay, I'm debating. So I have not heard from her since she saw that.

So I'm debating if I should reach out and be like, hey, I heard this happen. You know, I'm really sorry. I do not want her to see that text, of course. Like, I didn't want to hurt her feelings and try to kind of like mend it. Or if I should just let it go. But if I let it go, it's a little awkward because, you know, we don't live in the same city anymore, but we do have mutual friends. And, you know, she was a good friend. Like, I don't really want to just never talk again you know yeah i i think all you can do and i do i i'm i'm just in

favor of always um you know doing the right thing or just even it's not about whether they're going to forgive you it's just about whether like internally for you, like you just don't like that you hurt someone's feelings. And, and I think it's okay to apologize for that, whether she forgives you or not. So I don't think you need to overthink this. I think you just send a, Hey,

I'm really sorry. I said that. And I don't think you should say, I'm sorry you saw that because I'm sorry you saw that implies that it's not you're not sorry you did it it's just like sorry you were no you know it's like sorry I got caught yeah yeah I'm sorry I said that um I no one likes to be talked behind their back and I should have been more um you know considerate considerate uh yeah you know and Considerate? Considerate. Yeah.

And just say that, right? Like, I wouldn't get into trying to justify or explain it to be like, you know, well, sometimes, like, you know, you don't want to say, I'm sorry I said that. It's just that sometimes you are kind of a nightmare, you know, or don't try to explain why you said it. Like, you said it. It sucks. Like, it sucks that she saw it and you

I think apologizing will like either open up the doors for the conversation she either is interested in having or not but at least you can just say I'm sorry I that's a really shitty thing to do I would that would have been really hurtful to me if I

read something like that and so I'm sorry. And I think you just keep it real simple and then see what she's willing to say. She could say, hopefully, and if I'm in her, like hopefully she's self-aware enough. Like we all know we do shit. And usually when it's the most triggering, it's because it's true when people say things about us.

So in a perfect world, you will apologize and just say, I'm sorry, that was hurtful. No one likes to be talked amongst friends behind their back. I would have hated that if someone did that to me and I'm so sorry. And it's some version of that. And then hopefully she says, thank you for apologizing. I know I can be like this sometimes and blah, blah, blah.

And just let her see if she's willing to acknowledge that. And I wouldn't like, I wouldn't, don't take the bait though. Don't take the bait of, yeah, you do do that. And let me give me some notes. Not even justifying. Well, don't do that at first. But like some, if she says, you know, if I'm being honest or, you know,

like I know I can, you know, get riled up or I have a temper. I, I, I wouldn't say, yeah, you do,

you know, like, yeah, thank you for noticing or anything like that. Like you clearly, she knows how you feel. Like you can't erase what you said. She knows in a,

in a, in a, in a weird way, she knows exactly how you feel. So I don't think you need to yeah you don't need to elaborate i guess is what i'm saying if she is willing to kind of acknowledge her you know that she does this just you know if she does say that and be like yeah either way i'm sorry you know and let her, cause hopefully she has thought about it and hopefully, you know, she's stormed off. But if she hasn't as a friend, it's not your job to like, unless she literally,

literally comes to you and says, I hate that I do this. Help me do this. I don't think it's, you're there to like critique her behavior. Yeah, no, I get that. And I like how you're saying, like, don't say like, well, you can be like this sometimes because that's what I was debating, especially since I get a little defensive because I'm like, why was somebody reading

my personal text messages? I mean, it's my understanding she essentially like grabbed the phone from my friend when she pulled them up to look at them herself and just started scrolling. Now you know this, but I'm just saying like,

now's not the time to like get into the weeds there i just think you just apologize and then you guys can both decide like how close you guys want to be or not want to be going forward yeah yeah do you have anything to add just like i feel like in the reality tv landscape like this is such a pressing or like applicable kind of thing in terms of like needing to smooth over yeah this is a full season yeah like do you have any like based on that experience do what i'm suggesting do you agree or disagree or or yeah i would do it on camera and in person so but also in real life i would not do this over text i would call them and get them on the phone because so much gets lost in translation.

It also gives your friend the ability to not respond. And I think when you have somebody on the phone, you know that they're hearing you and you can have an actual conversation as opposed to, I don't think big things like this are great over text. Do you think she would pick up the phone? Yeah, she would pick up the phone,

but I don't know if I really want to have a phone conversation because then it might get too deep. It doesn't have to. That's up to you. That's totally up to you. And if you feel like you're right or justified, you have to go into that conversation not hoping that she gives you a window to like

get into it with her yeah the focus of this conversation is this for you to apologize for the thing that you did that would also upset you if someone did that to you and you i don't know what they are have bad habits and there is a world where some of your friends have talking some shit about you behind your back that you didn't hear that would have really hurt your feelings and if you read it it'd be really hurtful and that's your only focus that's exactly it that's what i feel bad about is that it's a hurtful thing to read so like yeah just be on message when you call and just say that's all i really wanted to say yeah and just leave it and she's like oh well thanks for saying that or whatever and if she wants to get into it just say well you know, you know, either way, I'm sorry.

I will just focus on that. Yeah, like there's no excuse. Like I was definitely in a reactive place writing this, but there's no excuse. Don't defend it. Yeah. Because you're kind of suggesting, oh, well, you know, you're kind of hoping that you could have, well, you don't want to get into it, but you're implying that there's a discussion to be had. She literally read a message of you saying, I'm tired of her temper tant her temper tantrums so again she knows how you feel about her doing this i don't think you need to articulate it anymore yeah yeah agreed oh my god that's such good advice that's

literally it because even when i wrote the email and i felt like i was defending myself like oh well she did this in the past and why did she read my text messages? But the point is, is I said, she read a hurtful text and that sucks. And that's all that really matters. And yeah, there's a world where you grab someone's phone. I mean, whatever. You feel like you were violated, but you also did... You're almost having a similar reaction because you feel guilty for what you did. And instead of just owning that, you're trying to, well, you know, she read my text and it wasn't really her business, which I guess might be true. But like as far as their friendship goes and this goes, like if you're trying to salvage

the friendship and just make her feel a little bit better, fall on the sword, apologize and see how she handles it. Yeah, because I would like to salvage. Like I don't, I mean, we're friends. Like I don't, that sucks're friends like i don't that sucks you know the fact that she's stormed off means that she knows she does this shit deep down she does so you apologize so you apologizing i think we'll go a long way i agree i think she'll really appreciate it yeah all right okay and i that was perfectly said thank you nick you're so good at

this oh thanks for calling in i appreciate it was a fun story yeah thank you guys i'm so excited i got to get on all right well happy to have you let us let us know we would love an update on how this goes we'd love that yes that would be amazing but yeah definitely we definitely recommend over the phone so i would call her yeah okay let me think about what i would type and then see if it'd be better over the phone. Yeah. If you send a text that's like, hey, I would love to hop on the phone to apologize to you. Or something like that. Or can we talk?

I'm sorry. Yeah. Or just call her. Just call her out of the blue. Yeah. Cold call. Yeah. Be like, hello. Yeah. Like, hey, I just want to say I'm sorry. Immediately get right into it. Yeah. Like, don't beat around the bush. That was really crappy. Yeah. Totally totally all right thank you so much thank you guys

you guys are awesome i really appreciate it all right you too all right have a good one brad thanks so much for coming thank you i got to see you i got to see Kiki's also like, it's time to. She knows it's time to go. She's like, Brad's got a heart out. She's like, Brad's got a heart out. I'm going to go to the next scratcher.

Please let my audience know all the great things, you know, social media where you're following. You know, obviously, you know, you have real friends of. Well,

you can watch the real friends of WeHo on Friday nights at 9pm on MTV, following RuPaul's Drag Race. And you can follow me on Brad Goreski. My name's... My name on TikTok. Doing great things on TikTok. Thanks. That's fun stuff.

Great to see you. Nice to see you too. Next time have Natalie on so we can have like... We'll have a... We'll get into it. So you can fight. No, never.

I'll sit in the middle. So you can gang up against Nick together. Maybe she can be on season two of The Real Friends of WeHo. Ooh, maybe. She's a in the middle. So you can gang up against Nick together. Maybe she can be on season two of The Real Friends of WeHo. Ooh, maybe. She's a star.

She is a star. As are you. Thank you, Brent. You're welcome. Thanks for listening, guys. Don't forget to send in those questions at asknickatthevilefiles.com. Amp tonight at 4 p.m.

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