The Viall Files - E555 Going Deeper with Kristen Doute - Ariana’s Mouthpiece

Episode Date: March 16, 2023

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Going Deeper Edition! Today we are joined by Vanderpump Rules’ former cast member Kristen Doute to talk about all things Scandoval. Dating Sandoval and being close friends with Ariana has given her a front row seat to the news of Sandoval and Rachel’s affair, and she does not hold back in giving us all of the answers we need. When did the affair start, did Schwartz know, and where do Sandoval, Ariana, and Rachel stand now? And what scandalous moment did cameras catch after the news broke? “She’s definitely not the only one who faked an orgasm with Tom Sandoval.”  Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://www.viallfiles.supportingcast.com  Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes. Join us for our new LIVE show on Thursdays at 9PM ET/6PM PT on Amp, available in the Apple app store. Android User? Listen here: https://www.onamp.com/ To Order Nick’s Book Go To: http://www.viallfiles.com  If you would like to get some texting advice on Office Hours send an email to [e-mail] with “Texting Office Hours” in the subject line! To advertise on the show, contact [e-mail] or visit https://www.advertisecast.com/TheViallFiles  THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: ZocDoc: Find and book a top-rated doctor today. Many are available within 24 hours. Go to https://www.Zocdoc.com/VIALL and download the Zocdoc app for FREE.  OSEA: Protect your skin from winter dryness with clean, vegan skincare and body care from OSEA. Get 10% off your first order sitewide with code TVF at https://www.OSEAMalibu.com IQBar: Get twenty percent off all IQBar products, plus get FREE shipping. Text FILES to 64000. Drizly: Drizly is the most convenient way to buy beer, wine and spirits, with delivery to your doorstep in under 60 minutes. Download the Drizly app or go to https://www.Drizly.com  Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @kristendoute @alison.vandam @liffordthebigreddog @dereklanerussell 

what's going on everybody welcome back to another juicy episode of the vile foul going deeper edition i'm your host, joined by the household. That's what I've decided. It's the household. I love that. The household of Allie, Amanda, and Derek. How is everyone doing? Amazing.

Oh, Derek, look at the enthusiasm. Look at that. Look at that. Yeah, I'm feeling good. I didn't fall asleep until 5.30, so I'm in an interesting state of mind. Why? I went to bed at like 10 or 11.

No, but why were you tossing and turning? I don't know, man. Was it like a brain won't turn off? Or like a body won't sleep? Was it Raquel? Was she like making noise in the hallway? Yeah, she was fucking Tom Sandoval and not coming loudly. That's nothing.

No, I think I drank an energy drink at like five. I think that was my problem. Yeah. Poor decision making. You were going to an exercise class making you were going to an exercise class I was going to an exercise class I got put in the front and center I had to perform you had to dominate when are we going to SoulCycle together you tell me Nicholas

no you tell me I don't it's a showdown what do you Sunday at 1245 I don't want a Sunday Sunday's my day so do you want to take time out of our work day you can take time off like a Friday afternoon or something. Let's do a Friday noon

in WeHo. Can Derek and I be in the back? Absolutely. Sitting gently pedaling. I want to like advertise it like a showdown. Yeah, it's a smackdown. How are we ranking this? Should we have Diego pick at the end of the class? I'm just going to pick you. No, be pretty fair.

I'll take my shirt off. Yeah, actually, in terms of advantage, Diego ain't straight. That's true. Nick automatically wins. We have a great episode for you. Kristen Doty is with us today to be the mouthpiece and friend for Ariana,

who is really going through it right now. And basically everyone has been like embargoed and can't speak about this topic. But Kristen isn't on the show, even though she apparently filmed a scene with them. And I think it's important to mention that Ariana wants her to speak on her behalf. And asked her to film that scene. Because it would make a lot of sense. This is not Kristen like, you know, taking advantage of a very tragic situation.

Like she is truly going out of her way to be a friend to someone. And as someone like who can relate to Kristen in the sense of like, listen, like people who go on the show

and leave it, you have very complicated feelings because a lot of PTSD with these types of things and be inserting yourself in this world of a world that you've, you know, probably had to do a lot of PTSD with these types of things and be inserting yourself in this world of a world that you've probably had to do a lot of healing from. So just very complicated. Anyway, we appreciate Kristen coming on and kind of updating on the most recent things, the rumors, all the

things that are being kind of unveiled. It was so cool getting to talk to her and hear her perspective on this because she's so close with Ariana right now and she is like right there with her as she is like processing this she understands like how this truly unfolded and then also she has insight on like what it was like to date Tom Sandoval and like she acknowledges the ways that he's changed and like also really clears the air about the ending of her relationship beginning of Ariana's but like she's truly someone who has a unique vantage point for this whole situation and it was so cool that she was willing to just be so open about it. Yeah. Well, before we get to Kristen, just a couple of quick housekeeping notes. Uh, don't forget that tonight, another amazing episode of better date than never returns. Dirty talk. We're talking dirty talk and dating

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to go to there's no new login or anything like that it's super easy and super fun what else we get into before we talk to krist Oh, well, we have to hit the Vanessa Hudgens Austin Butler photos. Have you seen those? Yeah. It is the awkward walk by. Yes.

They both. Who ignored each other more? We have. So it's important. Who's Austin with right there? I think Sharon Stone. Is that Sharon Stone? Yeah.

Go Sharon Stone. Yeah, that's Sharon Stone. Go off Sharon Stone. Great. Yeah. But like not with not with Kaya Gerber

they're both equally ignoring each other in that shot yeah they're both like it's funny because it's like when someone's ignoring a person

they become fascinated and captivated by something small in a way they never have before you know like what do you mean

like how when I'm trying to ignore someone I'm like like I'd be like oh my god that painting on this hotel wall that i don't care about you know like what do you think vanessa is looking at right there phone probably she's looking at her phone i saw a crazy tiktok though uh talking about vanessa hudgens and kaya gerber there is this photo of them that just encapsulates

their age difference and i think it's like some red carpet probably around the high school musical era and kaya gerber is like shaking vanessa hudgens hand as like a celebrity and kaya gerber looks like an absolute baby and vanessa is an adult it is shocking to say the least yeah those are the and then like the downfalls of an age difference when you go but where where were they then but it was where were they then is like a real it's a rabbit hole it's a rabbit hole for the uh old age difference in a relationship you didn't think at this point i'd be capable of swooping in on your man but i sure did that's just a tough look for everybody

everyone's losing in that photo. I certainly know the feeling. But it's like, well, I feel like it's kind of... Oh, boy. Woof. Big woof. Is there like, I feel like it's kind of a no-win situation. Like, what's the option? Like, you just kind of say a Kurt hello.

You do a nod. Like, how do you... Just wave him him I mean the best you know indifference is always the best so if I'm Vanessa or if I'm Austin it's just like hey how's it going congratulations what a great night see you later if you treat him like someone that you were like

acquaintances with in high school that's this it's the that's the best way to do it someone that you have every reason to be polite to but you don't really give a shit about totally hey how's it going what a great night congrats by the way see you later all right like it's it's just as you just keep on walking yeah yeah it's crazy to think about because i feel like there was no way they were going to win with the headlines because i could so see if they do have just like a very normal pleasant short conversation

like photos of like austin butler vanessa Vanessa Hudgens reconnecting at the Oscar party. You can't win. It's either they're dissing each other and they're not making eye contact or like they're back in love. If you were Vanessa Hudgens to kind of like rehash the thing that was spiraling about like Vanessa telling Austin he'd be great as Elvis

and like her really kind of like encouraging that endeavor that like now that it is paying off, he's no longer there like would you personally not like a moral what's the right thing would you be bitter no i really don't think so because listen like i'm sure she supported him but like austin didn't get to where he is now by not putting a shit ton of work in and he's where he's at because of what he's done i'm sure she mentioned it and supported it and i'm sure he's appreciative of it but like i i hope and i doubt that vanessa is that's only because i'm and what is you know even if even if she was the reason does that mean she wants to be with him like what you know what

i'm saying like is austin supposed to, in every interview, make sure he gives a shout out? Credits her. Listen, she was a supportive girlfriend, as I hope that she was in their relationship. It's just one of those things that happen when you break up. Totally. On the topic of interviews,

one of the things we need to cover in our pop culture roundup is the Hugh Grant. Oh, I have so much to say about that. What else are we going to be getting into for our pop culture roundup behind Vile Files Plus this Friday? Yeah, we are going to do a little couple check.

Giselle spotted with her trainer again. TJ and Amy are potentially doing a half marathon together. We have a woman who is my personal hero now. A woman? Who has, you know, the running apps that like trace your progress on a map. She has been going on routes for her runs that draw dicks.

So we're going to be doing a penis route. Yes, a penis route. Also, Tessa Thompson's never had a hamburger. Two Tesla drivers accidentally drove off in each other's cars. We got a bunch of different fun, crazy, wacky stuff to cover. All right. Well, uh, let's get to Kristen.

Don't forget next week we have, uh, Rachel Bilson is with us to talk all things, including I guess orgasms. So that should be fun. Uh, we will be breaking down fantasy suites next week. Do we have a guest yet? No. Ooh. Well, surprise guest for you next week. It will be breaking down fantasy suites next week. Do we have a guest yet? No. Well, surprise guest for you next week. It will be juicy.

I hear next week's fantasy suite is, I hear it's messy. Sex weekend bound. Sex weekend is upon us. Fuck for your life, ladies. Fuck for your life. Fuck Olympics. All right. Well, Kristen, everybody.

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So glad that you're here. This is so wild. It's the first time we've ever met. It is the first time we met. Yeah. Yeah. But I feel like I know you so much. So glad that you're here. This is so wild. It's the first time we've ever met. It is the first time we met. Yeah. Yeah. But I feel like I know you. Likewise.

From TV, but also like, you know, my friends have been guests on this show. Yeah. We've really, as we've become Vanderpump fans. Well, it's funny because I met, I actually, I've known Ariana for a long time because we had a mutual friend. I met her when I first moved to LA. Is your heart broken oh i'm so sad for her yeah it's even after like the the episode last night and then the dog

oh my god and just everything it's just it's just like yeah i have some tea about that situation not not about her dog but around that time let's gossip let's gossip let's get into it so word in our friend group is that right after so this is before i saw tonight's episode i found this out about a week ago word within our friend group is that she uh rachel who's fraudulent to the core rachel yeah what is up with that what is the yeah so rachel i'll call her now rachel um she and tom hooked up right after havasu havasu which was where they were on tonight's episode so where they're setting it up for a schwartz and raquel potential situation it's actually sandoval right i mean well none of us knew this until obviously the news broke in the tabloids like i'm shaking thinking about it because when i heard

have a sue i remember obviously i was not filming the show but these were still my girlfriends and i knew what they were doing over the summer and when someone said have a sue i immediately thought wait wasn't that when she had to put charlotte down like that takes a real fucking evil type of person to have your partner of almost a decade come home from a trip filming put her best friend of you know i think charlotte was like 18 years old or something crazy put her down and then raquel gets back from the trip and you guys yeah just like i'm literally shaking but like it this episode was also just fascinating. Those little kind of Easter eggs of Rachel, like when they're all sitting down

and they were kind of like downloading the previous night and Raquel wanted everyone to know. She's like, well, Lala liked him too. She wanted everyone to know that I won. I got him. He chose me. He he picked me and anytime she had an opportunity she wanted people to know that and it's the way she acted about tom schwartz and then within her public apology if you want to call it that her public acknowledgement she

posted on social media it was like the ending was something along the lines of, you know, Tom and I are defining our relationship right now. Girl, sit down. So you won Oliver, like you won, you're still trying to screw up James and his new girlfriend because you want to win him, you want to win Schwartz. She wants to collect hearts. Yeah.

How is Ariana doing? I mean, she's devastated. She's humiliated. She was in Mexico over the weekend for a wedding. And I haven't seen her since, but I've talked to her. And she was just like, it was really nice to get away from everything. She's not quite ready to come back to real life but the conversation that we essentially have been having with her is like she's very nervous and afraid for the first time she's gonna have to sit alone with these thoughts

and like truly deal with the reality of it all post filming and i just told her like you don't i get it but you don't have to be right now there's no timeline yeah don't force yourself if it takes you a month if it takes you three months if you need 10 of us over or just one person at your house at all times that's okay yeah and i know it's certainly easier said than done and i've been on her end before and it's the worst with the same person unfortunately do you think she knows deep down she has nothing to be humiliated for in the sense yeah i yes i do think so but i i get it it's on national television and she's gonna have to talk about it like as you guys and as you know it you'd film and it doesn't just go away you're gonna talk about this in press you're gonna do shoot pickups your interview bites

they've picked cameras back up in march over things they filmed last summer so i think that's the the whole humiliation of it all and not seeing it and then these stories like after arizona you know to know that ariana is literally crying over losing her best friend her dog and thinking that tom was there for her thinking that raquel was there for her the most frustrating part about this season and watching it is all those little moments Raquel is always like oh

you sound just like her oh poor you it's like oh fuck you it's like I kept trying to come up with just like a more intricate proper synonym for just being like she is so fucking dumb she's's just so dumb. She has no personality. And now in hindsight, I can see why Tom is, I guess, into her or why they're doing this because Ariana has a backbone.

Raquel does not. Raquel validates everything that Tom needs to be validated. How cool he is, how talented he is, his stupid band and his sequined pants and his nail polish and his dumb haircuts. Mustache. The mustache, for fuck's sake. The pedophile mustache. Is he not bright, Tom? I mean, right now I have nothing good to say about him.

But objectively, not that as an excuse but like is he just not i think he's a narcissist and i think he's just very self-centered self-centered and yeah very selfish and i'm i don't know i mean i was with him for almost six years we should have broken up after year two obviously we were just young and broke and it was a relationship of convenience. We've all been in those young relationships where you look back and realize, well, I've said that too long, but you want to fight for it. And once Ariana and I became friends and got over that whole hump many years ago, I worship the ground she walks on for being able to deal with someone so narcissistic and someone who's so attention-needy and spotlight-thriving.

What is it about Tom? Because you dated him for a long time, Ariana did, and while it's very easy right now for us to bash him and point things out, but clearly there are characteristics he has that attracts people. What is it about Tom do you think that has allowed him

to kind of get away with this behavior? Even Schwartz, it's just like, I don't know these guys really at all. I've never met them. I only know them from watching them. And I've really only watched this season. And to me, they just seem like just the worst type of guys in the sense that they're what give all guys a bad rap. You know, the Peter Pan syndrome of it all. I've said in previous episodes, they only give a shit about anyone else after all their needs are met, after they're having fun,

as long as the vibe's cool, you know? And then when Sheena was just like, hey, we want you to get your like we want you to like get the schwartz back and he was just like well i don't want to hire a prostitute and i'm thinking like how do you say i've paid for sex without saying i've paid for sex like no one brought that up nobody asked no one asked you know and it's just like these guys are just they're children yeah they're fucking kids jerry o'Connell said that. And I like, yeah, I saw that looking right into the camera and going, they're boys,

they're boys. Yeah. So there are men out there who will, who will date you. They're 40. Yeah. And kind of going, almost 41.

You're a question of like, what is like, yeah. What do you think it is that kind of like attracts people that keeps people there that like balances out allegedly like the flaws that are on obvious display yeah if you think back to you know katie started dating schwartz 12 years ago right ariana started dating tom 10 years ago i started dating tom six years before that so at that time there it's charming it's cute it's fun it's. It's funny. The problem is they never grew up.

So it's like that shit doesn't stick anymore. You need to start maturing. And the problem is they just chose to never grow up. Like you were saying, the Peter Pan syndrome. They refuse to go to therapy. They don't want to better themselves. They think that they'll just get away with this forever because there is going to be some dumb fans and younger girls who

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attention and girls who are fans of the show to show up and treat him like a rock star. Yeah. And I heard, and this is alleged, but I heard, so he had a show two days after all of this shit went down and he actually went and played it, The Audacity. Yeah. I saw clips. Yeah. It looked fine.

And allegedly he, who knows, he's probably like on mushrooms and drunk and god knows what else but went to a bar afterward got completely smashed and had sex with some fangirl that night i don't put anything past him at this point yeah it's the only thing he can do to make himself feel better about all of this do you think ariana is i mean it's probably a stupid question but she must be kind of going back in her head and wondering what else oh absolutely what else is going on yeah what else have you done and i think something i'm very proud of her for you know we've been the girls and i have been really cautious of especially in the beginning i mean god it's only been a couple weeks but about because she removed herself the girls and I have been really cautious, especially in the beginning. I mean, God,

it's only been a couple of weeks. But about because she removed herself from social media, right? She didn't want to know a lot of things. However, she did have to film about it. She was going to be hearing rumors or things that were actually true. And it did get to a point after maybe like day three or four. She just said just said like i don't want to hear any more about it i don't need to know another rumor i don't need to hear about another girl because what the fuck does it matter at this point yeah it doesn't and it doesn't yeah but you're exactly right of course she was wondering yeah it's like it just all came flooding then you get triggered you know you'll have a good day and something will come up you hear something or you see something i

mean she's living in their house everything in that house is going to potentially be a trigger a memory of something he said or did or a time where it's like well were you there for me or were you fucking someone else right it's like oh my it's just like i've been there and just like it ruins you it's just like consumes your every like ounce of energy 100 and when i was over at her house well the very first day that i went over there which like two days after this happened the first i said this on my podcast too not to be repetitive but like she immediately came up to me gave me a hug we both started crying she's like i love you thank you for being here. And then she said, I'm so fucking sorry. Like to me. For what?

Who knows what? I mean, I have a million ideas. I could think of what she was sorry for not believing me dating him when I mean, she did wait until we were broken up. But I think even entertaining that always thinking I was the crazy one for saying he was a cheater. was the crazy one for saying he was a cheater probably a multitude of things but i'm like girl you you have an adult relationship with this person this is like a a real adult like essentially married without a certificate i was like in a joke of a relationship so like don't even go there in your mind but of course she's going to go back and think was that true was that true how you know how many times and then I think also one of the worst things is when they had to have their first conversation, and I believe this part, I'm pretty sure it was filmed, he was just gaslighting her.

There was no genuine apology. He was saying how she never supports him. She doesn't validate him. This was after she found out. He was telling her all the reasons why it was her fault. Exactly. Fucking piece of shit. Which sounds, I mean, that is Tom to a T.

But we're not surprised. Not at all. But for her, it was like, it didn't, it made, of course it made her mad, but she, then when I filmed with her, she started crying and she's like holding up her phone going, so my relationship, he's saying our relationship was that of like convenience and contentment or something not love and romance no hers like she said tom said this about she and tom and she immediately is just flooding tears looking at her phone going so all of these memories all of these wonderful trips we took all of these videos i have all these kissing photos this was all

bullshit oh he's the worst he sucks he's the worst he needs to flee the country but i don't know what country would want him right now yeah i don't know like italy you know italy doesn't deserve no country no one like where do we put tasmania Tasmania. What about a boat? We just send them off. We all have made mistakes in life. Absolutely. We all have been selfish at times. We have done things that hurt people we love at times. He has such an opportunity here to do the right thing, to really fall on the sword.

I saw a clip. I don't know if it had something to do with this season or past seasons, but something like, I don't need therapy to know I fucked up or, or whatever. It's like, no, Tom, you need therapy to not make sure you continue this pattern of destruction.

You have a trail of destruction. I am. People lined up out the door of people you have hurt in scarred people. You have left with PTSD, people that after you leave and, you know, they're still hurting. They still like years that after you leave and, you know, they're still hurting. They still like years later, I'm sure, you know, after you and Tom broke up, there were maybe a year later you got triggered by something he did that like ruined your fucking day or affected you

in another relationship. And like, yeah, I mean, how we handle that, like when Tom and I broke up is when I started going to therapy and I've now like my longest relationship is with my therapist. You know, we've been together like eight and a half years and it was the best thing I could have done for myself because I know you didn't watch Vanderpump, but it's like, I definitely was not perfect. And I did some really shitty, I did, please just don't, but I did some really shitty. We're going to start watching it and recap. Please just don't. But I did some really shitty things. I slept with someone when I was dating Tom

who was my best friend's ex-boyfriend and I played the victim game and said, why is everyone mad at me? Poor Kristen, poor Kristen. Because I was not grown up enough and I was choosing that. And this is what I think needs to happen to him. If he even, I don't know if he has an opportunity

for a comeback at this point, but the only way would be to truly humble himself to lose everything and to really do the self work. And maybe in a couple of years, people will give him a shot again. That's how long it took me. No one talked to me for a year and a half. He'll only give a shit in terms of a comeback as opposed to like wanting to be a

good person to be a good fucking person and well and and looking in the mirror and saying i've hurt people yeah i don't think i've ruined people's lives i have racked up thousands of dollars of therapy bills for other people that's such a good point insurance companies i should really be chasing him down i'm gonna send him a paypal request itemized super bill maybe maybe like state farm will hire tom a special investigator oh my god he's chaos you know what's that fucking mayhem he's mayhem yes oh my god fucking mayhem model mayhem yeah oh my god uh i know you also mentioned in your podcast that like in the days after when you and all of your other kind of close friends were showing up

for ariana that tom just kind of walked in oh yeah the door without any warning and i was wondering if you could speak to like, he just doesn't care still. He just doesn't care. So like, what is he doing now with like, how are they handling like shared space? Do they have boundaries set up or anything like that?

Because certainly he, you know, he owns a home, but is, is he leveraging that as well? It's mine and fuck you. And I don't care. And you can't tell me not to go.

That's exactly what he's doing. Piece of shit shit which is just wild to me and we tried having a mutual friend one of ariana's like college best friends um rather than you know someone very too close to them that would not be able to like they would have a hot head right so we So we chose her friend Meredith and all of us sitting around, okay, we're like composing this text in the most mature way that we can and not leading with emotions, right? Like letting cooler heads prevail and just saying, listen, dude, you got to at least give her a couple hours heads up when you need to come home to pick things up. You need to let this rest for at least a few weeks. Allow her to grieve. Allow her to heal. And of course, his response is, it's my fucking house.

I own half of it. I will come and go as I please. And if she has a problem with it, she can leave. So I then took it upon myself because what I had to explain to everybody who has not been in a relationship with him is at this point, it is not how we get what we want. It's just getting what we want. I sent him a text saying like, I know you really care about her. You know, I know you're probably sorry. So if you could just think about that and I know you want her to heal. But it was the same fucking response. So he is coming and going as he pleases. So she just won't be home alone because that's what she's the most afraid of is being home and having alone and then

having him so she is now not only going through this trauma and this heartbreak but she currently feels unsafe in her own home exactly he's the worst i you would think like nobody could ever be worse than like jax taylor on that show or like me back in the day like this just takes the cake the only person i've ever denied taking a picture with that's amazing he got really pissed at me it was when i was the bachelor we're at some nightclub and like his i think now wife britney she seemed really sweet and and she asked to take a picture and I was like yeah sure and then like Jack's like let's all take a picture and I just didn't know it I just I only heard terrible things about him and I was like my season was airing and I was like I don't need to be like seen with Jax Taylor as if you're like best friends with friends yeah and I was like

nah I'm good and he was so pissed anyway um sid sidetracked. But anything else that you could shed the light? Did you think Tom Swartz knew? He's denying it, that he ever knew. I saw the clip of him getting off the airport and being interviewed at TMZ. And even just like, there's something about their energy. It's just so non-fucking-chalant.

It's just so like- To an offensive degree. It's offensive for you to be cheering in this situation yeah he's just like oh just got off a plane first of all when i fly i'm just naturally in a bad mood by the time i get to lax i'm just like i want to get the fuck home and he's just like hey man what's going on let's go come to my bar oh my god i fucking hate him uh but do God. But do you think he must have known? Yeah, so what we're being told by Schwartz is that he found out a month before

and that Tom Sandoval told his mother in December and then told Schwartz about a month ago. So what does Schwartz have to say for himself as to why he chose to keep Sandoval's secret? Because- What Schwartz told me is that he said that he was really pushing tom to just be honest with ariana off camera so that obviously it would have to get talked about anyway offer you know on or off camera but to not let this completely humiliate her and blow up in their face by coming out. I believe that he feels that way.

But Schwartz doesn't act on anything. He's a pussy. I love him to death. But like, man the fuck up. He has no. This is your opportunity to really man up. And I'm not. This is your business partner.

Right. And it is your best friend. And I'm not saying you have to loathe him the way that we all do but i'll tell you right fucking now if this were one of my girl best friends pulling this we would be having like serious conversations and space accountability i'm so tired like i've said this before countless times but like friends don't protect your secrets they protect your character and too many people especially young people but these guys aren't fucking young think being a friend is protecting someone's secret and bonding over keeping each other's secrets and shit like that and being a good friend is sometimes sitting them down and being like i want to believe this isn't you what

the fuck are you doing yeah like you need to stop, do the right thing and I'll be here for you. But like, and now that I'm, I don't know now that we're talking about it and I'm thinking back, I do think he knew, I don't think he knew the whole time, but I do think he knew longer than what he's copying to because there was a period of time over the fall that there's this girl, Jo, that's been mentioned.

Lord, who Schwartz is sort of dating. He says they're not. She says that's her boyfriend. She lives with them sometimes. I don't fucking know. She was my best friend. This is what's going on now? She's been mentioned on the show. She was my best friend for eight years, like my everyday best friend for eight years. And I haven't spoken to her since July because of all of this. Over the fall, there were so many times where Schwartz, Girl Joe, Sandoval, and Raquel, the four of them were hanging out nonstop. I just assumed it was because Schwartz and Joe are seeing each other or sleeping together and nobody wants to be a part of that. So like she befriended raquel

he has tom they only have these two people but now again seeing it through this completely different lens i'm like no the four of you were going on fucking double dates yeah like you had he had to have known i don't think again the whole time because now we're hearing about the whole coachella thing everyone said it was schwartz and raquel making out and it was sandoval and raquel and it's like that was almost a year ago guys fucking and especially guys like them they fucking love to brag about their conquests they love to they can't help themselves that's the thing sandoval has to have validation he cannot keep anything he does a secret because he needs at least one person to validate and hear him bragging about it. Yeah.

And that person is Schwartz. There's just no way Schwartz didn't know. Yeah. Can we go through the timeline of things in terms of when do we have a specific start date or when there's the first incident that's known? I love a good timeline. Not really. I mean, now we know about the coachella thing i don't know if it continued from that point on then you know the the talk in our friend group is right

after havasu so this was in the summer um this is definitely before sheena's wedding sheena's wedding was in august so it was at least in the summertime. Because they hooked up at Sheena's wedding, right? Schwartz and Raquel kissed at Sheena's wedding. Schwartz and Raquel kissed at Sheena's wedding? Yeah. So that's why I'm like, there's no way Schwartz could have known back then. So Sandoval and Raquel kissed at Coachella. And then they hooked up after she got back from Havasu.

And then she made out with Schwartz at the wedding. She's just like the bachelorette and Tom's are her final two. She keeps switching. She's just two validation monsters. Yeah. So I'm thinking Schwartz probably didn't know over the summer while they were filming. I'm guessing like early fall or something is what it sounds like. Now, if I had to guess.

We saw Raquel's apology. And I will say, you know, I don't know who wrote it, you know, but I thought it was a fairly solid apology. She didn't write it. One of her PRs, the first one or the second one that she fired. It was the one referencing like her needs when the first one or the second one that she was the one referencing like her need for validation and trying to do the work i thought it was if she that is a crisis pr apology if i have ever heard and they deserve a raise it was good nevertheless i read this and i think to myself okay you we all make mistakes but if you actually follow through on what you say you

know maybe she's going to therapy and she's trying to figure out why she's making these types of choices. I'm like, all right, you know, maybe maybe you can learn from this. Do you think from what you know about Raquel, do you think she is actually sorry for what she did? Do you think she really thinks and recognizes how bad it is? And do you think she's willing to do the work to make the appropriate changes? No. I think she's sorry she got caught.

I think she's sorry that she's getting a bunch of negative attention because she also ended that apology with not labeling her relationship with Tom right now. Yeah. Like, are you fucking crazy? Why are you? Read the room. Yes. Like, are you fucking crazy? Like, why are you read the room?

Yes. Social. We don't care. Cal. Yeah. Like, like, just leave that part out. What is fucking wrong with you? And now how convenient that she gets this ridiculous temporary restraining order against

Sheena. That's such bullshit. That is granted only until the hearing on march 29th right but they have to film the reunion on march 23rd how convenient that raquel now does not have to sit under those hot lights and so she won't be at the reunion i mean i don't know what they're going to do unless they move the reunion which as far as i know they haven't planned on that sheena can't even be on a zoom with her according to said temporary restraining order do you so i just think it's

really fucking convenient and i think it's raquel's way of getting out of it do you know what happened with sheena and raquel sheena didn't hit her and i i also saw like the photos and all of that so first of all if you go back to any of raquel's like old photos like she even has like i think tiktoks where she goes from like no glam to glam she always has she's like these little beauty marks under her eye and one of her eyes is a lot darker underneath normally then there was like this scratch and like supposedly some bruising but then like the next photo looked like she took red lip liner and drew a line then like the next day so this is her apology comes out and she says i'm going home or i've left la to be with my family well then she's

caught by paparazzi walking around west hollywood and strangely enough she has no marks on her face my that healed up quickly so you think she's she's faking it and yeah playing the victim yeah i mean i know sheena like was pissed off but like number one it's sheena like she's it weighs like a buck five her nails are longer than her fingers like i can sheena cannot punch someone no matter how mad she is it's it's just bullshit like did sheena probably like push her and maybe she i don't know maybe she scratched her with her i don't know an accident or something yeah but it's like it's sheena i'm sorry but even still like yeah it's like raquel like you're so focused on being the victim i like i applaud her if she did but i mean i got backhanded by saucy well deserved did you see me pressing charges like

grow up yeah she didn't break your bones focus on taking accountability rather than but we saw it in this past episode like raquel's ability to play the victim she was in when she was crying in the fucking car and she was talking about you know the girl the other women were kind of being like hey like you do this shit and that it was so hard for me watching that because i've never been a fan of raquel obviously but i do have sympathy and i have empathy and i am a human being and i'm really really fucking sensitive so it was like oh if i hadn't known everything i know now that probably really would have tugged at my heartstrings a little bit. Yeah. And it clearly not an easy group to be in. And if you definitely you don't necessarily vibe with everybody, that can be really difficult.

But then it's like you have all that. But then what does she do? Like Charlie, fucking Charlie, sit the fuck down. She sucks. She fucking sucks. Sit down. Instigator extraordinaire. And then all of a sudden

raquel has this attitude again he chose me yeah like like where'd that humble panic attack crying i don't know who i am so now i just like i don't even know who to believe at all but then after all this comes out charlie's on twitter just dragging raquel's sister. So I'm like, pick a fucking lane. Charlie just wants to make headlines. Yeah, she just wants to be somebody. And Raquel definitely, she faked the blackout. She faked not remembering what she did that night, but she conveniently kind of remembered,

like, I don't remember what I said. I know that I said something to you. She clearly heard them. but she conveniently kind of remembered like i don't remember like what i said it's like i know that she felt embarrassed she clearly heard them you saw her being self-conscious hearing the women talk about her and so she chose to like blame it on the alcohol and not remember but she clearly fucking remembered absolutely and i've had i've had many a blackout during vanderpump rules filming and really i'm like oh shit like shit. Like, or brownout. There was definitely an hour I don't remember. And I really don't want to hear about it because I don't know if I was super fun or super toxic.

But when she, like you just said, she conveniently remembers. I think I said something to you, Lala, that offended you. You were not blacked out. I remember all of those details, but not, you know what I mean? Usually it's just like, wait, what happened? She fucking remembers. remember all of those details but not you know what i mean usually it's just like wait what happened she fucking remembers and like what she said those what do they say just sober like drunk words or sober thoughts sober thoughts or some shit oh yeah you know when when lala was like i

wouldn't trust you with alcohol that was like raquel being like yeah because i'll try to i'll take your i'll take them and i will feel good about myself when i do when she was sitting down like lala liked her too liked him too like she had she everyone needed to fucking know that yeah and also when she brought it up i think it was when she was leaving when they said they packed up their bags and she was saying i think the only reason you have an issue with it is because like i got all of her and you didn't and i'm like you are glossing over everything else that just happened yeah and just like trying to end on this note of well i got the guy yeah you had you had a drunken makeout on a dance floor i it's like you know and then the whole part where she threw you know obviously all the randall shit in lala's face and i just i wish la i just wish lala would have i was totally

on lala's side i just just, because I'm watching it and what I've actually really enjoyed about this season is, you know, the Lalas and the Katie's of the world. You know, you have these women

who, you know, have made mistakes and you're seeing like growth. It's just like, you know, we have the pleasure of interviewing Lala here, really enjoyed it and she's like,

owns her shit and she's like, I'm working on myself. I'm working fucking hard. This isn't easy. I'm working on myself. I'm working fucking hard. This isn't easy. I feel embarrassed at times. I'm regretful for what I did. And when Raquel tried to throw it in her face,

I wish Lala would have just said, yeah, exactly. I fucked up. I'm literally trying to help you not make the same mistakes I did. And instead Raquel's like trying to throw it in her fucking face. Right. And trigger her and like use, yeah, it's just like. mistakes i did and instead raquel's like trying to throw it in her fucking face right and trigger her and like use yeah it's just like lala lala totally is like she reminds me of like eminem

and like the very last uh battle in eight mile you know where lala's like here i'll tell you all the shit that is up with me now come for me i i own it all i say it all yeah these are the mistakes i've made this is how i've grown you know because she lala that's what oh god like i love her to pieces she's one of my best friends but i just keeps it real i'm a she does keep it real yeah like raquel just said just sit the fuck down what did you guys think about though the fact i mean we watched the episode yesterday but it was just it felt like we had what happened in Vegas. Obviously, that was bad. We rehashed it the next morning, whether or not Raquel actually remembered it.

We have the car situation where it felt like we kind of like even things out. We talked about it. We moved on. We get to have a zoo. And then Charlie joins and you think the trip's off to a better start or there's new fresh energy. And then we go to dinner. And I will say, like, as someone who also loves Lala, it just felt like suddenly now that we had Charlie as an audience, we're rehashing everything that we've already discussed. Right.

And I was just kind of like, OK, but like. What's the point? Yeah. I was like, but we've addressed this. And while I don't agree with Raquel's actions, like continuing to just go and go and go. And I get it's a show. Is that the show? And I get we're keeping it

dramatic but being the show i mean i'm having to retalk scenes it could be it could be producers you know saying now that charlie's here but it but it's so redundant and it gets so old i was like we all just watch this we watch it happen we don't need to watch it again we watch the rehash and now this is the third time that we're talking about it why do you think i mean i get you know bachelor people hook up with each other you know there's familiarity in the kind of extreme environment like no one can relate to these experiences that's why i'm friends with so many bachelor people because i'm like you're just like hey you fucked up too we get what we go through um but why do you think it's like fairly incestuous with the vanderpump i don't know i mean i can tell you when i was on the show it's because we really

did work together at this restaurant sure and we really were best friends i mean that's why we got the show to begin with you guys you're younger but it was like that too that's who we hung out with so i mean i think anyone that works in a restaurant can attest to that. You're fucking each other. Yeah, exactly. Because it's like, you don't really go out at night because, or you go out right after work with the people you work with. Yeah, or you do industry nights on Mondays.

Exactly. So, like, that was back then. But now, I don't get it. It must be just, I think Tom, I mean, Raquel's not a victim at all but i do think tom preyed on raquel's vulnerability in a sense or do you think that's being too generous i think it's being too generous i think they're both so equally to blame yeah toxic i i do okay maybe i blame tom a little bit more just for ariana's sake because he's in the relationship exactly and like i i even remember saying this when they started dating and people once i calmed down and everyone would say oh she stole your man you can't steal a man okay he made a free will choice

to do what he did like he owed ariana the world and he is the one who cheated. So I do place a little more blame on him. However, Raquel's claiming to be Ariana's best friend. She let Raquel sleep in her home, stay there for a while. She's like her big sister. Yeah, they had Thanksgiving together. You're swimming in her pool, eating her food. Ariana's being nothing but hospitable to you, and this is how you return the favors?

So it's like, I think they're both prettyitable to you. And this is how you return the favors. So it's like, I think they're both pretty equally to blame. I don't think Raquel was like taken advantage of. Like she's not 21. How do you think the show will handle this? Like, will they get fired? Do you think,

do you, do you think they'll be like, well, actually this, the show has been super talked about. I don't necessarily know. Well, let me tell you, they don't's been i don't see rachel coming back i don't necessarily know well let me tell you they don't fire they don't fire anyone they just don't ask you back for another season gotcha but yeah it would be hard to imagine them i don't see her coming back because

like is anyone i think she's gonna be terrified yeah she's also maybe gonna have more restraining orders yeah who knows that will never work out like the judge. I hope I hope when they have this stupid hearing, the judge just goes hashtag Team Ariana and like wears a T-shirt. That would be incredible. Jerry O'Connell comes out in a robe. That would be amazing. Have you seen raquel at all at the old apartment alley been pretty locked up been pretty pretty quiet you haven't seen tom we're wondering if tom's like tom showed up at all tom was there the night that they that there was producers in the hallway they i know they filmed uh last monday at her apartment yeah i don't know if that's the same day you were talking about it was a saturday night like two saturdays ago um that they were there but maybe they were at night um because there were um tabloids saying that they kissed on camera oh and we found this out ariana and i found this out so i filmed with her on tuesday

and right after we were done in the crew leaves there's already shit online from whatever tabloid saying they kissed in the apartment and we're like okay now this has to be a production leak right because there is no one else that would know that and you know it's not we're like would tom's camp come out with it no way no way there's no way i may or may not have like i know which direction there's no way they did kiss okay so that's significant what's that i said i may or may not have like because i can say this stuff i love not being on that show um i tricked someone in production to admitting that they did kiss on camera how did you do that i called one person

in production ariana and i and we were like just tell us just tell us since i can't confirm or deny i can't confirm or deny okay well there was no one else in there and this is already out, blah, blah, blah. Then another person in production that we were waiting for a phone call from, I said, we just talked to so-and-so and at this

point, this has to be a production leak, right? Why is this shit coming out before we even know about it? And he was like, you're right. This has to be a production leak because there was no one else there yeah and we're like we fucking got it yes so you guys give these public apologies and then you kiss on camera gross i just and then that same day like minutes later sandoval sends ariana like this page-long text of the first basically apologizing and she literally looks at her phone and hands it to me and she goes i don't even want

to read it and i'm just like the timeline he texted her an apology yeah it was like a really long you know blah blah blah that's another inconvenient thing you're gonna make me read your apology via fucking text fuck you right he texted her an apology yeah why don't you just leave her a voicemail or like you're clearly showing up at her home all the time yeah like yeah do you know if um raquel and ariana have spoken at all no not at all ariana doesn't like they i think uh the network had asked production at one point in the last few weeks if ariana would film with her and i know production really had her back and just said we're not even going to ask her that

it's not happening yeah um they'll have like at the reunion she'll have to see her that's going to be bad enough but no they definitely haven't spoken or seen each other and ariana wants nothing to do with her right now might we see you back on the show there's been a lot of rumors just the just the one scene just the one scene yeah but no no i don't want to be a part of anything that has vanderpump attached to it i'm good on that you've outgrown them i have graduated yeah i still have my friends but that's that's a toxic environment that i will will gain nothing from. Nor do I wanna bring my boyfriend into that. And just, I like my bubble exactly the way it is.

Back to Tom a little bit. Do you think- Which one? Sandoval. Okay. Like, does he stand for anything? I knew that was a stupid question but is it like does he have any like core beliefs does he have any like redeeming qualities other than he just

is a guy who it just he just seems like you're just an average dude who just needed the thing is oh it's like again trying to like take this lens off of what we know now he has always been so kind and very giving and very generous and i don't just mean like monetarily like financially like he's always he's kind of like the the dude me where it's like i'm the mom when we travel like i i have like what do you need do you need uh gum this like i pack it all like that that's very tom as people have seen in seasons past and i've never really thought he did it for the validation or for the attention like he just has always kind of been that person but now i don't know because now is it because he wants everyone to know how great he is?

Yeah. I mean, it could be both. Or maybe it's both. Yeah. Totally. You know, of course he has nice qualities.

Right. Like I know it, I, he's always said, and I've agreed with like, it brings him joy to make, God, it's weird to say this,

to make other people's life easier, which is clearly not what we're seeing now. That's the thing. I don't think he gives really a shit about other people. I do think it's, again, it comes down to people like Tom or the Toms from what I can gather, but specifically Sandoval. And there's a lot of people like that, especially in LA. Again, it's like, as long as it doesn't inconvenience them correct like and so every time

they're doing all these things it's mutually beneficial right it's mutually beneficial to look out for others and make sure everyone's having a fun time because everyone's like oh you know tom you're the best you know yeah it's so easy to be around and he does put all of those things above like his responsibilities. Yeah. He's not, he never has. But I mean, when I was with him, I would open up like three years worth of mail and like, dude, your car's getting towed for the third time.

Like he just doesn't like pay attention to responsibility and he never has. And it seems like he has people who bail him out. Like when I heard someone in his family gave him a quarter of a million dollars. His mom. It's just like, how can you take that money for a business like owning a bar, which is a volatile business. And then not put your entire. Right. And then go off with your band.

Go off with your band. Just not be like, not work morning, noon noon, night through the night to make sure that. That was really like as Schwartz's friend, you know, something about Schwartz, like Schwartz really has thrown himself into that bar. And he admits that that probably played a part in, you know, the demise of his relationship with Katie. Because Schwartz is like, fuck, I'm broke now. you know, the demise of his relationship with Katie. Because Schwartz is like, fuck, I'm broke now. Like I've given like all my money, my time,

everything into this bar. While Sandoval is like booking his national tour with his cover band. Paying people to play with him. He pays them to practice. He pays, yeah. There was a rumor going around that he hooked up with this girl that, not the girl that's in the band now,

but there was like another girl before that they ended up i don't know if she quit or got fired but we started hearing that they hooked up before this is all obviously allegedly but all of this stuff is just coming out of the woodwork like one by one there is zero chance he hasn't slept with multiple where there's smoke there's fire yeah and it kind of is because you know we ask ourselves well why raquel like aren't there plenty of other people to hook up with not raquel it's like yeah there are and he's also hooking up with them too he must be and raquel is this the consistent person he has because she's always around and they're filming she's always

there they're filming and and going on trips and yeah yeah living in the same neighborhood on the topic of tom and tom schwartz and katie like was that something where it seemed like maybe it was a long time coming there'd be they've been these concerns of hers that were never addressed by him was the news of the relationship being finalized the divorce like happening a surprise to you or kind of how did you process or make sense of that i mean mean, I knew about it, obviously, like far before it became public. And I know, I mean, she did tell me before she actually filed for divorce, like it was something that she brought to his attention. And there were just so many chances given. Like she begged for them to go to therapy. You know, know she said let's do it separately and together

she did her end of the bargain she started going to therapy he never did so she just got to a point where she was like i i can't keep living the rest of my life this way like i'm not getting any younger and i really want to be happy and i don't want to be miserable and i don't want to have all these feelings being internalized and shoved down that I'm now kind of exploding on other people. And she was just really unhappy and it had a lot to do with Tom not coming home at night. Again, back to the Peter Pan syndrome thing, it would be like, Schwartz, you're married, dude. Not to say you can't ever crash at your boy's house, but you call your wife and say, hey, Tom and I are kind of going out late.

Is it is it OK with you if I sleep here tonight? But no, it would just like he just doesn't come home. And then he wakes up hungover at two o'clock the next day. And Katie's like, where the fuck are you? Like, we are married. We want to have a family. Like, where's your responsibility? And even if you trust your partner,

like that's just a red flag. Yeah, and it wasn't even the trust thing. It was more just like, where do I fall in line of like- Your priorities. Your priorities, what's like super important to you? I mean, that scene, was it the other week or the week before where they're sitting at the bar and he brings up that, he starts to,

he confronts Katie. he brings it up the conversation and meanwhile then she opens up she's venting she's clearly like been triggered by him and he's just out there like hey man yeah and then calls her selfish to her yeah calls her selfish because she didn't let tom be a you know the tom guy as he's literally like shaking hands with someone in front of her face like this. Yeah, there's no prioritizing their marriage. Do you think Sheena and Katie can come together? I'm watching this and I know

Katie a little bit. I know Sheena a little bit. And I'm friends with both of them. I think if they both apologize to each other, I think that they can hash it out. And I feel like deep down I'm watching them and it seems like two people who maybe are just too hurt or too stubborn or a little bit of both a little bit of both and too unwilling to be vulnerable to just say i don't want to be fighting with you i i would rather be friends with you can we be friends because it's just

they they both seem like they have hurt and And instead of, you know, they're... They don't have to be best friends and hang out every day. But there is so much love there and so much history. And yeah, I think it's that Katie feels very betrayed by Sheena. And I think Sheena feels like Katie's just mean to her all the time and i just think if at the reunion they can both absolutely humble themselves without the like i'm sorry but you did if it can't be that way it has to truly just be like i'm sorry this is what i recognize i did to hurt you and leave it at that and they both can do

that I think they couldn't agree more I really hope at the reunion they're with all the drama that is certainly going to be there there's a bit of like a reunion of those two yeah it's like let's just come together are they on like speaking terms right now like in terms of I'm sure so many people are just like showing up for Ariana so are they kind of are there people making sure that they're never overlapping in terms of like being in the same room seems like if nothing else they've been in the same room but I think they just kind of they're putting their differences aside for

Ariana almost yeah but they're not like you know calling each other they're not super chummy like we have a a group chat that's called like the Maddox support chat so it's like and it just keeps getting bigger and bigger. And it's like mostly like the girls in our gaze. Right. And it's just like we also have like a spreadsheet that's like, OK, so here's, you know, whatever. March 13th, March 14th. Here are all the times. Here are all the people. Here's Ariana's schedule. Who's going at what time? What did she eat for breakfast, lunch, and dinner? I'm not even kidding.

Just making sure she's constantly covered. Taking care of herself. And Katie and Sheena are both in that group chat. They were both at Lala's daughter Ocean's birthday party. They can be in the same room, but they're not talking right now. Okay. I hope for them to read. But I have high hopes, too.

Yeah, I hope. Because it sucks for us as someone who's both of their friends. Totally. Sheena knows like, I don't want to hear you talk shit about Katie. Like I spend more time with Sheena, but Katie and I live in the same building and I still love Katie. We don't hang out quite as often, but it's just like, I don't want to hear either of you talking shit.

Like save it for someone else. Yeah. And there was a scene from this episode where Sheena's talking to Brock and she's like, I'd rather just be here instead of hanging out with the girls. And you could tell she just wanted to hang out with the girls. And understandably so. And it's like, but it's hard to admit that. It's hard to admit it.

And you know, she won. And I really felt for Sheena there. And it's just like, I don't, you know, and she's friends with Tom. You know, I don't fault Sheena for, you know, you know, being one of the guys or whatever. And that's okay. Like, you know, as a guy,

I've had a lot of women friends, you know, and I like, I love having women platonic friends. And so like, there's nothing wrong with her supporting Tom, but I can totally get where Katie's coming from. And it's just, it's like, it seems like unnecessarily messy but also I'm back to just what we said earlier about

Schwartz just manning up to be Ariana's friend right now it doesn't mean you're not Tom's friend is Tom trying to be there for Ariana no like she doesn't even want to talk to him right now but like now think back to when Tom and Katie got married

Ariana was a groomsman. She was on Tom's side of the wedding party, Schwartz's. Dude, you had her as a part of your wedding party. She went on your bachelor party. And you don't even have it in you to say, you know what, Sandoval, of course I love you. You're my boy. I'm not dropping you like a fucking fly however i don't agree with this you fucked up and she is my friend and i you know and

even though ariana doesn't necessarily want or ready for your apology like that you haven't like fallen on the sword and and said whenever you're ready i know i don't deserve your time or consideration but like i definitely have not been a good friend to you and i hope that i have a chance to make that right by you like yeah and he has that opportunity at the reunion but i don't know about the reunion right i mean i'm just saying that's when they're going to be in the same room together he has this opportunity to be to say these things and i don't think it's good i think it's going to be the wishy-washy shorts that we always see it's like you know it's just like a try no i couldn't just you know it's the way the cookie crumbles you know it's like life's

hard but like you know like you know half off drinks you know it's really hard for everybody involved yeah everyone's involved my heart goes out to everyone yeah exactly on the exact opposite end of the energy spectrum like with lisa how do you think like do you have any insight in terms of like how lisa's handling it this and based on like almost motherly with the toms and like close with the toms at least this season an act you think it's have you but she's talking to ariana after the yeah and, and Ariana's been to her house. I mean, Ariana has said that Lisa's welcomed her with open arms. Like, you can come bring your dog and your cat. You can come stay at Villa Rosa. And Ariana's like, shit, do I do that?

That sounds fabulous. Go to Beverly Park and enjoy myself. So, you know, it's just the Lisa that I see on the show, it's just a chess player. You know, I don't have very many kind things to say about her. I don't know why she's so obsessed with me. She's obsessed? It's like I filmed that scene because Ariana specifically said, I really need you to do this for me.

I told her I have nothing to gain from this. I, in fact, will probably look like an opportunist or thirsty. But Ariana asked you. And I specifically said to her, this has nothing to do with the network, the production, the ratings, the whatever. What do you need? Because you've also now had to talk about this a million times with so many different people on and off camera. So if this is just one more time, you don't want to do that. Like I don't need to do it. And she wanted me to.

So I did. And then the very next day on Watch What Happens Live, Lisa Vander pumps on and just for no reason, like has to throw shade at me. So I just- What'd she say? It was like something, I can't remember the question,

along the lines of like, now that everything is out in the clear and Kristen was obviously called crazy. And now can you sort of, do you see Kristen in a different light now? And she was like, let me think about it. No. I'm like, okay, bye bitch.

Do you have any like, in terms of like, not even like kind of subjective ways you feel about her, but just like interactions that you've had with her that you feel like kind of demonstrate a side of lisa that's not always depicted on the show because she seems like this like loving maternal goddess on the show yeah i think it's not like that at all i think there are some people especially the girls um that she does really care for and love and like i said ari Ariana did tell me all of this off camera, like in all truth, you know,

that Lisa's really reached out to her and with like a lot of heartfelt words. And so that I appreciate because she needs all the love and support she can get, whether it's from someone I don't like or not. But I just think that's a character she plays, like the mother hen she did it in beginning seasons too like oh here are you counting your tips like lady you're never in here

you come in like once a week and you know drink rose like no i don't know i'm not i'm probably just the really wrong person to ask i mean yeah it would be upsetting yeah we've all been there especially like I've been there and I'm guilty too but like you could ask the question and you say something

and someone talks like what the fuck am I talking about me for you know it's just like yeah yeah but she's

yeah so I'll say she's been very kind to Ariana and checking up on her and stuff having nothing to do with filming so well Kristen this has been great are you ready for some texting office hours to Ariana and checking up on her and stuff, having nothing to do with filming.

Well, Kristen, this has been great. Are you ready for some texting office hours? And then we'll wrap things up with some final thoughts. Absolutely. All right. How's it going? Hi, my name is Elizabeth and I'm 26 years old and I'm considering firing my maid of honor. Okay.

All right. Well, tell us what is going on with your maid of honor and why you're thinking of firing her. So I asked her to be my maid of honor a few months ago. And ever since then, she has canceled every plan we have made, whether it be FaceTime in person, anything at the last minute. All of them. All of them. Have you confronted her at all about why she is doing this or even if she wants to be your maid of honor? I'm asking you multiple questions. I hate that I do that. But also when you first asked her, was there like... What was her response? Was she excited? What was her response? And did you talk about like what you want as a maid of honor? Like what was that vibe when you first asked? So it was a dinner where I asked several girls at once.

So also my bridesmaids and she started bawling. She was so happy. She made this long Instagram post about how thankful she is and how one of the best decisions she's ever made was being friends with me, yada, yada, yada. She almost didn't even come to that dinner because she wasn't feeling well, quote unquote. And then ever since then, we haven't talked about it because she has an excuse

for every occasion to speak. How long ago was this? Less than a month. Okay. So still pretty fresh. Yeah. And we actually, we have some text messages. It seems like starting because it says just got home. So it seems like starting around that initial dinner. And when are you getting married, Elizabeth? I'm getting married next May. Okay. So I have over a year. Okay.

All right. So there's time to find out. Which is not, just as someone who's like always a bridesmaid, never a bride, it's actually not that. You know, you say it's like, oh, we have a year. It goes by really fast when you're planning a wedding. It does. I have so many feelings about this already.

Should we do a dramatic reading? Sure. Please. I just went through this not that long ago with one of my best friends who got married and one of her bridesmaids that I was a bridesmaid. Okay. All right. I'll be the shitty maid of honor.

Are you ready? Mm-hmm. I just got home. Thank you for the most special day set like cry emojis i'm so grateful for you and to call you my friend through every up and down you've never left my side i love you forever my girl and will absolutely be there on your big day thank you so much for coming it meant the world i know you weren't feeling your best. So you showing up with no clue what was going to happen means the world.

My sweet maid of honor. Adorable emojis follow. So then that was on Saturday, February 25th. This is Tuesday, February 28th. Hi, I can't wait for Thursday. How are you feeling? Much later that night. Oh my God.

Like 11 hours. 11 hours later. 10 a.m. was the first. It was the hey. The response the response 9 12 p.m hello hello she says hello hello you say hi she goes hello uh i've realized i'm an idiot. Fair. I leave for Arizona on Thursday. Wink emoji. Winky face. Not Friday.

LOL. We could do breakfast on Thursday? Question mark, exclamation point. This is a new interaction. We're back on Wednesday, March 1st. Did you not respond to that? I did respond. I think I said something like, yes, that works great.

This is like Tuesday late night okay and then next is like the start of the next Blake and then next Wednesday it was story of the next day story of my life but when he thinks I will swear to but fucking will I swear to God but fucking but fucking will I say yeah fucking fucking well I swear to God story of god yeah but fucking but she literally writes but fucking will i swear to god story of my life but also a story of my life but fucking so she's busy she's busy also no worries at all seriously all good let's do when i get back to arizona on sunday night are you free the sixth monday we can plan. But seriously, call me whenever. I'll be working remote in Arizona all day Friday.

So please call. Is that okay? Let's definitely wait until you're back. I'm in class Monday and Tuesday. So how about Wednesday? And call Friday. Friday, March 3rd rolls around. That's the next morning.

Yay. Call me whenever you're free. Hard eye emojis. Oh, duh. I'm an hour early don't mind me you guys are in different um time zones perfect you said any time before one your time right my day has been insane since 6 a.m oh my god yes we can do closer to one just let me know if that works that's so annoying that day at 12 13 okay so i unwell today. Is there any way that we can break things down for me,

what you're looking to discuss? Then we can do something next week and go in depth. I just want to give this time and I'm unwell, LOL. Why does she keep LOLing? And she's clearly unwell. Also, you just want to talk. Like you just literally want to connect for the first time. You're best friend and you can't just jump on a quick call,

but you can spend a million hours sending these dumb text messages. And now she's asking for notes as to why she should make time or something. I don't know. And then, oh my God. Oh my God. Yes, of course. I get it. Ha ha.

So nice of you. I know you're super busy, so just let me know when you have time to get together. I have another friend who wants to grab dinner, but you're're my priority so i haven't given her a day yet truly a moment he he what does that even mean but i'm good in all caps does she do drugs no just finished all my job interviews so now i'm waiting to see me and consulting firm aren't really working so i've been looking around but i'm free tomorrow for lunch and then friday i head to arizona for a bit so if that doesn't work uh go to den with her her sister i don't mind at all okay and then this is so that was on looks like we made dinner plans or lunch plans following wednesday of the following week that's perfect

let's go to this place let's go to this place. Let's go to this place. Does that work? That's perfect. Fab. I'll meet you there. Thursday. Oh no. Next Thursday. So I woke up sick again. More emoji faces. And I need to take it easy because I leave tomorrow. So she's still going on the trip, but she's too sick for lunch.

And she needs to take it easy. I'm like tired. That's what she's saying. I'm tired. I don't feel like doing this. I need to rest up for my weekend. Yeah. But while I'm in Phoenix, this will be a chill trip

so we can FaceTime during the day. Oh no, I'm so sorry. That's awful. And yes, I would love that. I can FaceTime today, tomorrow or Friday, literally whenever you want. It's the season, i hate it but okay perf i fly out to phoenix tomorrow what about sunday or monday tuesday does she have allergies

maybe seasonal allergies are like a thing you know maybe no no okay sunday works best can do monday or tuesday during the day if something comes up this works sunday evening may be the best one yay can't wait uh and then yesterday was that text message because it says on our end yesterday was that sunday the day of or saturday it was sunday okay so you send your message on sunday i can't wait to facetime what time works for you i can do any time after six my time. Hello, again. At 6 p.m. on the dot. So I was unaware that brunch was an all-day thing with a big group of girls and daylight savings.

What is your schedule this week like? I'll be working from home, so I'm free whenever. So she canceled on you again. And also Arizona doesn't have daylight savings. Oh. Just saying. Arizona doesn't have daylight savings. No, they don't. Get them, Kristen. Kristen will be your maid of honor.

Kristen, you have thoughts. Why don't you lead this off? Yeah, so it's bringing a lot of memories back. As I said, I had one of my best friends who got married last year and lives in Colorado, but came to California to have kind of the same thing, like have a dinner to ask us all to be a part of her wedding. And there was one specific bridesmaid who wasn't going to come and then she was going to come and she was going through something. She ended up showing up to said dinner. And then after that,

it was just flake, flake, flake, flake, flake, did not come to do anything, barely responded to text. She was always busy. She was always going through something. And I finally told my girlfriend, I think you need to... She's clearly going to wait till the last minute and your feelings are already hurt. It's not even about necessarily you need someone to fill in for her or whatever. Maybe it is. I'm not a bride. But she's not even sort of putting you first. Not even... And this is just like next level bullshit. So if I were you, yes, I would fire your maid of honor. I absolutely would say, listen, I'm going to make this just easier for the both of us. And it really pains me because you've been my best friend and I would love nothing more than for you to be by my

side. But if you aren't, it's not she can't, it's she's not willing to put in any effort she can spend all this time composing these ridiculous text messages and you literally can't get on a phone call for five seconds do you think there's any value in like before we get to that point like sending not like a warning but just like hey this is what i'm observing but i think no more texting though it has to be a phone call there has to be a facetime or a phone call yeah yes of course you know and i don't know your friendship but it just sounds like she's not really giving a shit about your needs and you're not some bridezilla clearly you've done nothing but say any time will work any day i will put all of my shit aside for you. And it

should really be the other way around. Just question, why did you pick her as your maid of honor? We've been friends for a very long time. And we've always been super close, even when we were living in different cities. And our friendship has been very consistent. And we're very similar in a lot of ways. And I just trust her judgment on a lot of things. Or I did. So you start, you start interrupting, but you said she's very consistent. Is this very out of character for her then?

When she's in a relationship, it's not out of character. Is she in a relationship now? she's on boyfriend Island. Yes. Okay. And in the past, she has apologized to me before.

And then she was single for a really long time. And I'm always the friend who's going to give them the benefit of the doubt. Because in the past, I've been dropped by friendships from friends when I've done similar things. So I'm never going to be the one to call out or like end a friendship over a relationship. You're empathetic to it. So you're a great friend. And we don't need to end this friendship because like, listen, being a maid of honor is a responsibility that maybe a lot of people don't realize when they say yes to it. You know, I think obviously for a lot of people getting married, it's a first time experience.

Right. And then, you know, planning a wedding is a first time experience and then picking a bride, married and being a bride made. And I don't think people realize all that goes into it. So it's kind of like, you know, great friends and always make great roommates, you know, great friends't always make great roommates you know great friends don't always make great you know bridesmaids or business partners right i agree yeah this doesn't mean the end of the friendship this is to save the friendship yeah i think you get her on the phone facetime at least if ideally in person but if you if that's not geographically feasible i just say, listen, we've had a really hard time connecting and I'm thinking I love you and I love our friendship

and I value our friendship so much. I don't want my wedding to be a reason that creates conflict. But at the same time, I want to enjoy this experience. I want to enjoy my wedding. I want to enjoy this experience i want to enjoy my wedding i want to enjoy planning my wedding and so far i haven't enjoyed it at all because i've just been stressed out and how like

much you haven't really made this a priority and i just think maybe like why don't give me sort of giving her the out giving her the out saying like i if you if you like what you were just saying nick but like to attest to that, like it is, you know, explaining to her, I understand this is a lot and it is a responsibility. And if it isn't something that you feel you can take on right now, just please let me know. And I will give you the grace as well and, and sort of say, that's okay then. Yeah.

We're good. Just be honest with me. You know, if you're afraid to tell me because you're scared i'd rather just do this now so we can still be friends and you can still be at my bachelorette party if you want to like you'd still be a part of it could be a bridesmaid but like i'm and you could say i'm just and where i think you'd be honest with her is i'm already starting to get really upset and angry and i just don't want to feel any hostility towards you and if you're just like if you have other things going on that's totally okay but like I do want to enjoy this experience and I'm I'm worried that if if you remain my bridesmaid it's gonna cause some

problems between us and I for the sake of the friendship maybe we just you know don't yeah and i think saying like it seems like you feel overwhelmed and also it seems like she feels really guilty like she knows she's fucking up so she's spending all this time like being like oh this is exactly what happened you know and i think like you know emphasizing from the lens of instead of being like you're being really selfish even though that would be a fair and one way to describe it like coming from that lens of like it seems like this is making you feel guilty and like you're overwhelmed and like you're just and you don't have the bandwidth let me know and i totally understand how much you know that this is a lot of work or effort and it's totally okay with me if this is not what you can do right now

and i think giving people an opportunity to like have a clean slate of like you don't have to keep playing catch up like you flaked on a lot of calls but like to like have a clean slate of like, you don't have to keep playing catch up. Like you flaked on a lot of calls, but like this conversation is a clean slate where I'm just going to say from the information I have, it seems like this is too much of responsibility for you. And I don't want to put you in a position where we're not like set up to be successful and like love each other and have a good friendship. You can say like, I've talked to other people who've gotten married before and I've gotten

some great advice. I'm having this conversation with you and making a decision because i i love you and i love our friendship and other people have said like you know part of picking a bridesmaid is someone who's like is willing and wanting and able to and like it's totally okay if you're not like you don't need to be my bridesmaid to be my best friend but i do need my bridesmaid to help me plan a wedding and to be available and be available and like show up reliable and i guarantee once this conversation is had and you guys can hash that out and i feel like it's going to be such a huge weight lifted off of both of your chests that i feel like she's probably not going to be so dodgy and flaky

anymore you know being asked to be the maid of honor is like, I won. Like I won the friendship lottery. It's like, it feels good. And you say yes because of all those things. But when you get down to brass taxes, like a lot of people don't want to be a bridesmaid or a maid of honor because it does require work. It's a lot. It's a lot.

And I guess it's frustrating because my sister is my matron of honor because it it does require work a lot it's a lot i guess it's frustrating because my sister is my matron of honor and she's going to be taking on the bulk of the help right and so my friend doesn't even know the matron of she's married her sister's married or not okay yeah and her best friend's not married so it's not even it wouldn't be a lot of work let's put it that way my sister is stepping up to the plate and doing 99 of the things that both would normally do interesting so you basically have two maid of honors it's not even just all on her shoulders yeah and this is no not at all very little within the conversation that you do have with her hopefully like we said facetime um so you can really i just texting is so difficult because I hate,

I call it textlation where it's like you're- You're reading your feelings. Yeah, like you don't really know. Yeah, you're reading your own feelings. Yeah. But I think that is also something you can bring up and say if this is something,

if it's just that you're afraid of the workload, you know, my sister's going to take most of that on. But still giving, I think giving her that out, still saying like what nick said just no matter what our friendship means the most to me not you being my maid of honor it would mean the world to me but it is very okay if not i kind of don't even think we go i think you try to get her to want to quit by graciously trying to fire her essentially and you have have your sister, which is great.

Yeah, not convincing her that like, it'll be easier. Yeah, because I think she'll want to be like, oh yeah, no, right. It's not that much. But yeah, I want to do this. Your gut tells you she's not going to be there for you. That's why you're calling in. Like you've had plenty of examples. You have a history with her that when she isn't a boyfriend, she goes to Boyfriend Island. And deep down, you know this is going to be a constant with her. And I think deep down, you probably have already regretted asking her, realizing the history. So your gut's telling you to fire her. And I think you should just follow your gut by saying it in a way that makes her feel like she should quit.

And it's for the sake of the friendship. And she can be a bridesmaid it's all good you love her but like you're doing this for her because like it's too much and you just don't want any friction and and shower her with the love and and blah blah blah you know let's have a girl's night but like i just i don't want to fight with you over this type of thing yeah and so i'm just gonna have my sister kind of it could be the weight lifted off both of your chests like oh i'm so you know it is a little unfortunate that you have to be the bigger person in this to but but you do clearly through these text messages you know i agree i just don't know how I can even get her on the phone. I think call. Well, okay. So mentally, we fired her. So not like-

We. You know, like you don't have to stress about that. So I think you text her and say, hey, and don't say, would love to talk. Let me know when you're free to FaceTime. Well, she's kind of tried that though, like 85 times. What about the pitch of calling and then when she doesn't answer and then text,

hey, what's up? Be like, hey, have something I would like to discuss on the phone. So that way it's like, this is a phone call thing. Yeah. And make it less about like, hey, I want to talk about the planning.

Like to have like a different, yeah, it's just like. Just be like, hey, there's some stuff that's come up. I want to talk through. Yeah, I just need to talk to you. Yeah, I just need to talk or there's some stuff that come up but have it doesn't have to be like we need to talk about the wedding no no i just need you right now i just need to

talk to you about something yeah yeah or facetime or out of the blue i can do that yeah and lead with love always let's say i can do that she like just very quickly to troubleshoot like let's say she were to be like you're right i fucked up i'm so sorry like xyz like this is a real like come to jesus moment where i like it is so important for me to prioritize you i know that i haven't been doing that i have a plan to do it further how do we feel about that i mean i would say i'd be like are you sure because again i don't like I just don't want to keep getting frustrated with you over this. So like, are you sure?

Because if you are saying this, like again, this is, it's my wedding. It's like you, this is, this is a time you have to be, you get to be selfish. It's your day. And it's just like, just let, and it's not you being a bridezilla.

It's just, I just want to enjoy it. So like, I would just, if I were you, I would really challenge. Are you sure? Again, I agree. I don't not want you to be in my I asked you for a reason. But at the same time, like it is such an honor to be asked to be a part of someone's wedding. It's not just like, oh, I get to wear the dress and oh, I'm cool. Look, she chose me.

It's like you want me to stand by your side for the biggest day of your life. That is such an honor to be asked that. And obviously, I'm assuming she does feel honored that way. But yeah, again, to troubleshoot if she does go down that path of, oh, no, I really do though. I agree with Nick. I think mentally your gut and your intuition are telling you the way that it's going to go. Important question. Given that you already have a matron of honor and your sister and she's doing the heavy lifting,

do you plan on replacing said friend? Or are we just going to have the matron of honor? I'm thinking we just have sister. Does your husband-to-be have two best men? He has one. Okay. I'm thinking we just have sister. Does your husband-to-be have two best men? He has one. Okay. Okay. I'm thinking we just have sister and then maybe divvy up some responsibilities with

some of the more reliable bridesmaids. And that way you can say to the friend, I'm not even replacing you. Like you were the only person I asked to be my maid of honor and that's not going to change. But I just don't want to worry about counting on you for this stuff because it's going to stress me out and then it's going to cause friction between us. And like, that's just not, I love you so much. And this friendship is so important to me that I would rather just like, not feel frustrated with you all the time because clearly you have other things going on. And I just want to enjoy planning my wedding. That's a really good point. Yeah. Programs will all line up better.

You're not going to have to fight of who signs the certificate it'll be clean right I think that makes sense because also if you ask a friend who's a bridesmaid to be your maid of honor after the fact I feel like that's a slight insult yeah I think leaving it with your sister is the best case scenario yeah I agree

tell us how it goes yes yeah we definitely need to know I wish we could could be on FaceTime with you. I wish we could just be in the back. All the ways that you've been communicating with her are just so kind and accommodating. And I just want to emphasize that you really do deserve to feel supported and loved and cared for throughout this incredibly exciting and awesome chapter of your life. And I know it's a hard, uncomfortable conversation, but everything you've communicated so far is evidence that you'll do it with like grace and kindness

and like this friendship will come out the other side stronger and if she gets upset and wants to come on here and mediate this fight with us we are all happy we're here we're here for you you guys better text me because i am like fully invested in this now like dm me like tell me everything i'm so invested definitely keep us posted we we wish we wish we could be there thank you i'll definitely write back in and dm y'all good luck uh kristin um thank you so much for coming this has been so much fun and thanks for all the insight just kind of any final thoughts uh on this whole experience? And also, what would you say to anyone listening who wants to, in some way, support Ariana? Like, how can we all, Vanderpump Nation, you know, show our love and support for Ariana directly or indirectly?

I think what we're really trying to do right now is because you know um or if you don't know a lot of people know katie she and katie are opening their own restaurant their own sandwich shop that's right yes so um we made merch for that like it's selling like wildfire and it's all this is not it's not going in katie and ariana's like pocket this is going to the restaurant so i think what I'm trying to let her realize is that she now gets to have her own projects to throw herself into that will be so positive, boosting her self-confidence, her self-esteem, and she no longer has this dude riding her coattails. She wrote that cocktail book. That was her. That was

her thing. And he jumped right in it and made it all about him and she doesn't have to do that anymore so i think really it's not about bad mouthing schwartz and sandys or bad mouthing tom tom do the opposite just like support something about her their sandwich shop and any endeavors website or merch that where she can we can go to yes um they have an instagram account it's some i think it's just at something about her something about her instagram okay and that we can go to? Yes. They have an Instagram account. I think it's just at somethingabouther. Somethingabouther Instagram. Okay.

And we post about it all the time, like on our stories. Go and follow somethingabouther Instagram and buy some merch. Oh, by the way, I just want to talk to you about Tom one more time. But I saw a clip, I don't know where it's from,

but it was a clip of Tom and Ariana and Tom was telling Ariana that he was certain she had multiple orgasms, and she was like, no, and he was like, I'm pretty sure you did. And just like, for any guys listening out there, like, you don't know. And if a woman's telling you she didn't, she fucking didn't.

Right, and that's something i need to debunk is like everyone's saying that like tom's like this super sexual person and ariana's just not and that's not true like she's so she's a very in tune with her body and her mind and her sexuality and she's very publicly open about being bisexual and really loving men and women. And she's like so sexual. The haters of the trolls out there that are saying like, well, I mean, they never had sex. No wonder he fled and just kind of bullshit like that. It's so unfair. And also, if you're a guy who's going to argue with someone you're having sex with about the orgasm that claimed they didn't have all your all you are exposing is how many other women you haven't please how many other women have clearly faked an orgasm with you

because listen like orgasms can be tough to have and like it's okay in a relationship that where it doesn't happen and she's definitely not the only one who's faked an orgasm with Tom Sandoval like you should be in a relationship where your girlfriend or fiance or wife can say, yeah, I didn't this time. And then you could say, oh, what could we do? Because maybe it's not from sex or whatever. But I saw that clip and I'm like,

no one's orgasmed with you. Your path of destruction. I mean, he just doesn't get it. He just, he can't possibly comprehend that like he probably thinks that everyone has multiple orgasms with him like no tom they're probably just watching porn and saying i'm coming i'm coming

because they don't know better and also just to like be done with it. Yeah. Yeah. I can't say enough of bad things about him. Yeah. We could go on and on. Once again, Kristen. Oh, please. Also, what are you doing? Your podcast, please plug away.

Yes. I have a podcast that is sometimes co-hosted by my boyfriend, Luke, and it's called Sex, Love and What Else Matters. It's really, really brand new. And I just want to like say I love and thank everybody, especially for listening to the last episode, because I'm so new in the pod world as being a host, but we like flew up the charts on that one. It really blew my mind. So I'm trying to just hope to keep the momentum up. And I did say this on my podcast, but just to repeat, you guys,

I am not like banking on her heartbreak. This was something she asked me to do. She was like, go talk about it. Be my mouthpiece. She's told all of the girls and I that I'm just the only one who's legally allowed to. And you're being a great friend in a time where she needs them.

Yeah. So, well, good for you. And it's nice to see you doing well and thriving in life. And like I said, it's more, more projects coming up. I can't talk about yet, but I,

I'm, I'm making my comeback. I feel like after three years. Well, that's, that's awesome. And like, we all have made mistakes in life and just like we don't,

what we don't see in Tom, like we, it's just, all we can do is grow and, and, and be better for it. Exactly. Awesome. Well, thanks so much. Thank you guys for listening. seeing Tom like we it's just all we can do is grow and and be better for it exactly awesome well thanks so much yeah thank you guys for listening don't forget to send in those questions

at asknickatthevilefiles.com don't forget tonight we have another episode of better date than never and we're talking dirty talk we're talking dirty talk so the comments are going to be popping off of all the weird shit we have said or people have said to us while dating and it's just basically it's a sex show. We just talk sex. Yeah, that's like that salacious stuff that you're too scared to bring up with a new friend because you're like, I don't want to feel like a creep. This is an unabashed zone. It's all

on the table. We get loose. It's silly. We have fun. If you aren't available at 9 p.m. Eastern, 6 p.m. Pacific, don't worry. All the episodes of Better Date Than Never are available behind Vile Files Plus where we are going to be recapping all the episodes of Vanderpump I'm sorry it's just you know we will do it with grace I mean okay it was a long time ago people change yeah well maybe we'll recap my season on andy's season that also terrible you know i've never seen that great but you know what i will say like throughout all

the crap i went through on vanderpump rules that was my platform to write my book and people i unfortunately did not get to do a book tour because it was during covid when my book came out and then i was let go from the show and it was just the perfect shit storm. But books live forever and I'm now getting so many people going, he's making you crazy. Oh, now I get it. Because now they're seeing,

obviously I don't name names in my book, but it's very clear what you've seen on TV. So yeah, my book is available on Amazon and please go read all the chapters and now you're going to believe me. There you go. Go buy that book. There's my validation.

A Trail of Destruction by Tom Sandoval. That'll be his memoir. No, his memoir will be like, why I'm the victim. Yeah. I made you come poor me yeah

no I made you come I made you come by Tom Sandoval oh my god bye everybody bye