The Viall Files - E56 Steeny Vibes with The Morning Toast

Episode Date: October 30, 2019

Claudia and Jackie Oshry of The Morning Toast join Nick today to GET INTO IT. Claudia opens up about when she was assaulted by a powerful celebrity, they share what it’s like being married at a young age, and they talk about the power of facing your fears. Keep those Steeny Vibes going! Be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode.  THANKS TO OUR SPONSORS: EMBARK: https://embarkvet.com CODE: VIALL SHIPSTATION: https://www.shipstation.com/ click the microphone and enter VIALL BEST FIENDS: https://download.bestfiends.com See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

How's everyone doing on this wonderful Wednesday? Are you listening on Wednesday? I hope you are. If not, that's fine. Welcome to another episode of File Files. Rochelle, how are you? I'm good. How are you?

I am delightful. What a great episode. I'm excited about this one. I feel like it's one of those long time comings. Most of my life is getting on the wrong side of people and then wanting to be on the right side and sometimes with social media and people judging to opinions and expectations,

and then we meet and we become fast friends. That is the story of today episode. What did they think about you before? Well, they just, they hated me. Like hated? My understanding is they were not fond of me and Bachelor Nation. Okay.

And they are the wonderful women of the morning toast. Very, very funny. Very funny. I was dying laughing. Claudia. Jackie. Yeah. Jackie O.

Jackie O. But yes, I mean, and it was this show with Rachel that kind of opened the doors of peace and harmony, turned into fast friends. Then they were out in LA recording using our studio. Yeah. Our studio. No, we were happy to have them. And they came on the show and we just had a lot of fun. Yeah. Claudio opened up about some stuff I was kind of surprised by.

Yeah. And I hope you really enjoy it yay halloween's tomorrow halloween is tomorrow i uh we record this obviously a few days before i'm gonna go to a halloween party this week and i will have gone to it yes do you know what you're gonna be i think i'm gonna go as a a. A pilot? You know, because. Like a stripper pilot? No, more like a guy who might be the bachelor pilot. Oh, God, really? Listen, it's low-hanging fruit.

It's also a very easy gift. I mean, a costume to do. Yeah. Like I went on Amazon and I bought like the pilot. Oh, wait, you already bought it? Yeah, it should show up today. We'll see how it turns out and see how it looks. Did you tell Pete that you were going to do that? He's off the grid right now. Oh,, you already bought it? Yeah, it should show up today. We'll see how it turns out and see how it looks. Did you tell Pete

that you were going to do that? He's off the grid right now. Oh, right, right, right. I've been told that we kind of have

a similar resemblance and I'm wondering if I style my hair like Pete, I trim my beard. He's got some facial hair going on the show. He's filming. You see some pics

of him growing a little bit of a beard. I'm going to see if the Pete the pilot costume works. Okay. It's low hanging fruit. Do you think I need a rose? Oh God, I'm gonna see if the Pete the pilot costume works okay it's low-hanging fruit do you think I need a rose oh god I'm just shocked you want to do this usually

you want to distance yourself from the bachelor true but this is like kind of fun in the party I'm going to I feel like it might be a bit of a hit maybe you just need a windmill something windmill to add on oh there you go or you could just keep asking women to come back to your windmill to add on. There you go. Or you could just keep asking women

to come back to your windmill. That's a little aggro. What about a band-aid? I heard he got his face in. Should I put a band-aid on my forehead? You definitely need a band-aid. Probably. I'm curious.

If I do it right, I feel like I could perform well on Instagram. Is it Delta or is it just generic? It works for Delta. But the pin? Yeah. Generic. Oh, bummer.

What party are you going to? It's just a party. It's just a party I was invited to. Profile? High powered Halloween party. That's fun. I'm going as a squirrel. I always go as a squirrel because i always babysit on um hawing

and it's actually really fun like a onesie it's the tail inflates it's like actually a really good costume have you ever done the uh sexy costume no never and i have tried to flirt in the squirrel costume and got nowhere. Really? Yeah. I find it really charming when a woman dressed not sexy. Right. Don't get me wrong. I will certainly draw my eyes to the hot nurse. But I'm very attracted and intrigued, more importantly intrigued, by the not sexy costume.

Well, no one else at the party last year felt like you did. I mean, it's hard to like, you know, want to hit on the witch that really went all out to look like say the Wicked Witch of the West because like, I don't know what you actually look like and you actually look scary. But if it's like the cute squirrel, if you go cute rather than sexy,

I think that I'm intrigued. Okay. I will notice you at a party more than I will notice the sexy nurse well there you go folks just a thought so if you're going to a Halloween party tomorrow maybe call an audible call an what?

an audible what's that? oh it's a football term I'm sorry you lost me completely you changed the play at the line of scrimmage at the last minute given what the defense shows you and then you have an alternative thing that might perform better than you had originally thought. Inaudible.

Inaudible. Wow. Yeah, I'm kind of over the What? The sexy costume is the girl you want to take home but not take to mom, so to speak. Is that what we're looking for on Halloween? I mean, hey, I don't know.

Well, let's get to it. The Morning Toast Women fun episode for all you toasters tuning in. As I know, I'm sure you are. A lot of toasters. What a dedicated fan base. Come back and check us out. Yeah. You know, I say this to sometimes when we do episodes for people I know you're tuning in for our guests and I appreciate you doing that.

Yeah. It's like the priest on Easter Sunday at Catholic Mass when I grew up Catholic. Yeah. Come back. Other Sundays during the year. We're doing some great things. Check us out on Mondays. We do a lot of dating and relationship questions.

People tend to enjoy that. We don't talk as fast as them. Do they talk fast? You didn't notice that? I feel like they talk so fast. Easy now. Toasters are very... In a good way.

Like I'm like always on my toes. All right. Because those toasters are very protective. I know. Of their hosts. It's a great episode. I really enjoyed hanging out with both claudia and jackie i hope you guys enjoy it too and wait no longer

the morning toast toast on the file just come with me we're supposed to come in together toast on the file but i'm bum toast on the file toast on the file hey toast on the file hey toast on the fire this is great this is hard i'm sorry you know what we try to do this all in the very beginning without any practice it shouldn't be so hard i really appreciate it uh talent like when your pitch is so perfect like you just want to put only the best stuff out there and i'm ashamed to have been a part of that. I'm not going to lie. I just appreciate the effort. Everyone, Claudia and Jackie, Asher, of The Morning Toast, Margo, clap,

are on my podcast. You have been on our podcast so many times. We are honored to be here. And I am honored to have you. It is not without asking you guys to come. It's not as if... We would have asked anyway. It's only a matter of us being in LA. We're never here. We're not shy. we would have asked anyway, only a matter of us being in LA, you know, we're never here.

We're not shy. We would have asked. Um, thanks for coming ladies. Thank you for having me. Uh, I know we've talked a lot about on your show about the journey that we've all come to.

It all really did start on this podcast with in this room, in this room with, with, with Rachel Lindsay. Oh yes. Love her. Who, who brought you guys up and and and gave you guys a lot of props and I just kind of meekly was like oh when we heard it I

think they like me very much like we had a pit in our stomach that dropped when you started to talk about us we're like oh now he's finally gonna lay into us after all the things we've said and you were so mature about it and I was like damn how could we hate someone like that who's obviously so kind and mature and like not petty not petty like us like you had the opportunity to slam us and had every reason to and you didn't and like we learned so much in that moment it's so true like truly like you don't always have to say something nasty about someone and Nick Viles a really great guy and then two things we learned no and then things, because what you would think about someone you watch on TV is not how they actually are.

So just based on what we knew about you from being The Bachelor and quote-unquote being the villain, you would have responded in a negative way, but you didn't. So it's like maybe he's not what he seems like on ABC. Or option four, you don't know what we said about you. Wait, or option five, you have no idea who we are. Option four, I don't know most of what you said but i think it's better yes only i only assume yeah i mean i think you know the gist i'm

not yeah i'm just i don't think it would change i could go back and listen to be like okay if it makes you feel better if it makes you feel better we were really commenting on the nick vile abc was showing us and not the nick vile that we now have known to grow in love. I mean, the only thing I'm going to object to is that I understand the Andy and Caitlyn narratives, but I thought, again, I thought Paradise Nick was great. It's Jen Savnik that cut us the deepest. You told me that on your show.

I'm like, wow. We were moving in a positive direction until you broke Jen Sav saff's heart jen sam is fine alpha female jen saff is fine but we weren't we weren't yeah that's all they're saying yeah so you don't like it when hot girls get dumped no it appeared like you dumped her when nothing was wrong just to be the bachelor yes it appeared that way we know now that that's not the truth but to the untrained eye which is what we were everything was perfect they didn't do me any solid that way because they announced me before i broke up right which you had it it just like subconsciously made it feel like so it looked like elon gill whispered to you on

the beach like hey you want to be the bachelor break up with jen okay yeah definitely not how it went okay but anyways i'm glad either way we've we've come full circle uh it's great to have you guys on i've always been very fascinated with, with you women. And I thought it might be interesting. I don't know how much you guys talk about the origin story of how it all came to be, how the morning toast of very successful podcasts came to be.

No. And truly, I mean, you, you guys have the diest hardest of fans. They're legit. Don't cross them. I'm, I'm envious.

I think it's wild. You've in a somewhat healthy way created a bit of a cultish following. Yeah. We don't mind the word cult. We're trying to destigmatize. I did just watch the Eat Your Hollywood story on NXIVM

and there was a cult leader on there and he was like describing what a cult is and I was like, oh, that's us. Like we have charismatic leaders and we make people feel safe. But we don't brand them or like rape them it's like we're the kind we're the reason like you get involved in a cult it's like that you know feeling of community and like steamy vibes is what we call it but then we don't like turn around on you and

brand you what are steamy vibes oh so we refer to ourselves for as the steens and honestly just like don't ask why it's's too long-winded. I mean, this is a long-winded podcast. Yeah, that's true, actually. Steeny has come to mean just all things that we feel like we embody and we appreciate, which is just lighthearted, happiness, positivity, good music, a margarita on the dance floor. That's a Steeny vibe. And so we try and curate Steeny vibes only.

And everywhere we go. I love it. They really do follow us around those nasty steamy vibes. Since we have consummated our friendship, I can't tell you. Consummated? Hello? Is it my wedding night? Is that our?

Yeah, maybe. Consummated? Consummated always implies sex. Unfortunately, that is the word to use in this situation. Is it? Right? No, it doesn't. I'll look it up.

I guess now we got to have sex. This is turning into a different kind of podcast. What a win. I am constantly approached by people who emphatically will call themselves toasters. Toasters in the Y. Not like I listen to the toast and I'm a toaster. As if you have indeed branded them. It's an identity.

And I'm just like, that is amazing. And then proudly too, like an army of people who are like, they say it as if at any moment, listen,

I'm a fan of you because they like me, but if I got a text that said I need to murder you in this moment, I would fucking do it just so you know. But they'll never get that text.

No, no, no. They never would. Yeah, that's true yeah like you exactly you're not following through but i'm just saying i can see the passion in their eyes and i'm and i'm i i'm impressed thank you i'm impressed i think it's here how did all how did it all start i mean i know girl with no job is the first time i became aware of your existence yeah i had been through your through your shaming of me yes that was me um I had been influencing through college and by the time I

graduated influencing yes it is a full-time job and I love how she embraces it what else would you call it what else would you call it influencing um and I started in college and then by the time I graduated I was like making enough money that I didn't find it necessary to get like an actual job and then when I just started trying things out like I started to DJ like I tried to do things

that would like set me apart make me money and like further my career into whatever this landscape was turning into there was like a general influencing playbook DJ

something else something else and you're like I'll just try one that sticks the DJing didn't pan out like in the way that I had hoped that it would. Like I am not being invited to Ibiza to, you know, rage with Paris Hilton, unfortunately. But life had different plans for me. And I started a podcast called Girl with a Podcast that was hosted by myself in my apartment.

And it was absolutely awful. Like I cannot believe people like ever listened to it. What was it about? It was about like whatever I could get my hands on. was a lot of reality show recaps a lot of bachelor stuff real housewife stuff like life you know updates with my husband i was like engaged at the time um it was not good and it has been scrubbed from the internet so don't even try and find it um but i liked podcasting a lot and at the same time we had gotten this opportunity jackie was working at oath which is a verizon time, we had gotten this opportunity. Jackie was working at Oath, which is a Verizon company.

And we had gotten this opportunity to start our own brand. They basically gave us budget and was like, do whatever you want. And we had always wanted to be morning show hosts. We're obsessed with morning shows. Did you ever see the movie The Morning Glory? Yes. Great movie. That movie is the reason why we are sitting here today.

We were so inspired by Harrison Ford and Rachel McAdams. And it was just. I watched it not too long ago. On a Delta flight? No, at home. I took an edible. That's how close friends started on my Instagram. Oh, yeah.

I'm an honor to be a part of it. I'm not. Are you not? I don't think so. I'm pretty sure you are. I love it. I'll double check. Plus, I got to add you are. I love it. I'll double check. Plus I got to add you to my list.

I'll double check. But I, I, and I basically reviewed More in Glory. It's the best movie. It's so good. It's one of Harrison Ford's best performances. I completely agree.

Of Furtata. Furtata. When he's just like, what would the people want? Hey. I don't, it's. When he's like,

what's in the briefcase? Important. Newsman paper. When they're reviewing those like promos for the briefcase important newsman paper they're reviewing those like promos for the new show that is so funny like me and jackie used to re-watch that scene over and over and like that movie really inspired us just like about the impact of daytime television when you look at the daytime television landscape today it's like as a 25 year old millennial do i feel represented at all and i look at all these shows i'm like no i think that like the only person who's even remotely close to like the millennial age on daytime television is megan mccain but that show's just not really for me like the view is the scariest

place on earth and no no nothing against megan mccain if she's your voice then yeah you're just saying that's the closest one i'm talking age. Like she's really the youngest person on daytime. And not everyone wants to wake up and talk about politics. I certainly don't. So sometimes it's just nice to have like a fun, lighthearted. That's what like the Steenie vibes are. Just like fun. Like our listeners are from all over the world.

And if you ever threw in like a hot button issue, like they would not agree on a single thing. Like everyone has totally different life experiences. But that's what makes the show fun. It's like you don't have to get that deep yeah there's something for everyone when you say you were influencing in college what were you doing um so i was like building my following on instagram i was working with a lot of brands like going to different events like posting pictures of yourself no posting like i was doing blog content like memes um just anything that would like make me money grow my audience like further my my career humor account yeah that's great and so then you i love the morning

glory that's such a great it's such a great reference it is it's so good it's harrison ford's best work i couldn't agree more indiana who i mean indiana who yeah well that was fine but his humor in that it's subtlety. It's such an underrated movie. And if you're watching this and you haven't seen it, Rachel McAdams. Of course. Beautiful. It's just a strong.

And then. Oh, yeah. What's his what's his name? That guy. Jeff Goldblum. Yes. He's the boss. And then her love interest is like the hottest man alive who played the doctor in that episode

of Girls. That was highly unrealistic, Patrick Wilson. Yes. Understated hot guy. Yeah. He just plays like a handsome guy in every movie and you're like, who is that guy? He should be more famous. And then he never gets more famous. Handsome, respectable guy. Not offensive, but like mature. I would, yeah.

Okay, so then you started The Morning Toast. It's been a big hit. And then it's, you guys are just killing it. We've just been riding the wave of the morning show that we wish to see in the world yeah so we started just like live streaming on facebook actually which we don't even do now and then people were asking for it as a podcast which was an easy transition for us and now we're predominantly a podcast we stream live on youtube um so we're just like wherever the internet trends us we're there we're about to be on tiktok you know No. That's where we jog along.

That's true. That worried me because I find that to be like, I'm done. It's over for me. I have to transition to TikTok. It's cool, but I'm officially old. Yeah. And I don't think there's anything really sadder than older people trying to be on TikTok, dancing with their kids. That's why.

Like Matt Lauer. Yeah. Is Matt Lauer. Yeah. Is Matt Lauer? He was in his daughter's TikTok video just days before Ronan Farrow's book excerpt came out. And now the video's mysteriously disappeared. That's not a great look. No. Interesting transition.

I wasn't expecting to go into this quite yet. Okay. But Matt Lauer. Yeah. Obviously has been in the news for sexual misconduct. Not good. yeah obviously has been in the news for uh sexual misconduct not good you've been outspoken about some of the experiences that you've had with one celebrity cuba gooding jr mr jr not so gooding yeah not so gooding honestly it's so crazy that like people are talking about it now because

this kind of incident happened to me in high school and like everyone in my high school knew about it because like so many of the kids in my grade were with me and like it's just been like a story that i tell people all the time and nobody has really cared enough to like make it a big deal until um he did it to someone else and she just had like a very normal reaction and called the police which is like i guess what you're supposed to do um and now it's like more people are stepping forward and people are kind of picking up on podcast episodes or like different radio shows that I've done where I spoke about it. And it's I cannot believe like, how big of a story it turned into. Like, that's the most press I've ever gotten. And it's honestly not really what I wanted to be known for.

But yeah, I and I actually saw him recently, like, what after he, the big news story came out about him, and then everyone started picking up old podcast episodes of mine i ran into him in the hamptons um at a party and he was just like sitting there and like it was actually so crazy like it was at the height of of the press and he seemed completely unaffected by it he was like surrounded by a million girls running around the party he looked pretty drunk it was so crazy like i i felt shook to like be in his presence it was like it was overwhelming oh no oh it was almost scary um i can only imagine well when someone is like so famous and like has such a bigger like he's like so wealthy so like

it's just it's it is intimidating but like i was more so like you know it's so crazy i'm sitting two feet from you and you have no idea who who i am Yet you stuck your finger on my butt in a club ten years ago You know? No, it's true Yeah, I remember When it came out and then I remember Reading some of your comments Online and listen, you are An outspoken person You guys, both of you

You know, it's part of your charm to kind of Say what's on your mind and you guys will admit sometimes It's like, ah, my bad No, sometimes you can fuck it up, but when your job is talking sure minimum six hours a week like sometimes something bad it slips my point of only saying that is as much as you guys have your dark hard fans you also have your your critics and so when that came out i was reading some stuff and obviously it wasn't as that day wasn't filled with overwhelming support um a lot of it was about 50 50 it was 50 50 which is in which seems that's that's a lot of criticism especially with something

that's so personal right and i expected like the twitter like twitter is such a dark place and you could do you know be the biggest philanthropist humanitarian in the world and someone on twitter would still have something nasty to say about you. So I didn't really give a lot of legs to like people on Twitter being like, oh, she's lying for money. Like, I don't care. Like, that's not true. And I'm used to like the negativity on Twitter. What I found to be really shocking was like the kind of undertones in a lot of the media articles written about me was like so disparaging.

And a lot of it was like written by women, which was even more shocking. And even the photos that they use. It's just so heavy handed. Like he's in a suit looking like a professor. He's wearing glasses like a librarian. And they have like a one candid shot of you where you're like. In the middle of a video speaking with a double chin and like my nostrils are flared. Oh, I, I, yeah.

And it's like an old photo too. There's a lot of power in the photos that publications choose. So look at the ones they're using today. He looks like really tired and like sad and guilty. But look at the ones they're using today he looks like really tired and like sad and guilty but look at his face no but you just you want to feel badly for him those still shots yeah i mean again i've i've never experienced anything like that it's all been vanity on my end but like you can totally tell when they're writing a story about you whose side or maybe they're not even on a side, but they're not necessarily trying to make you look great. And it's just like,

there's a million pictures out there of me and you're always picturing, you guys will pick this one where like, I'm blinking or I look smug or I look, you know, like God only knows. But back to your situation. I mean, how did you get through that? I i mean in the sense that like we're in a time where um people are encouraged to try to come forward right uh you do uh and you know you have your personality you're outspoken you lead with humor yep regardless of what happens your life i the little bit i know about you you seem to try to you know make light of what sometimes is a difficult thing to talk about and then then that opens you up to criticism like, oh, you're making jokes. And yet, how did that make you feel when you come out and you do this thing and then you have people and it seems like even women questioning you, judging you, doing all these things.

I mean, that must have been really tough. Yeah. I don't really know how it made me feel. It was more like a shock being like, I never thought, I know I get criticism for a lot of stuff that I expect to get criticism for. If I say something that's unpopular or kind of ignorant, I know when my backlash is deserved. But I was just more shocked at the different angles people were looking at it from, me trying to exploit Cuba Gooding Jr. for money. Like I never spoke to him.

I don't want money from him. Like I would literally rather die than take a dollar from him. Like I was just sharing my experience because a lot of people were like this girl's lying. And if you watch a video, like it's kind of blurry. Like, no, no, no. It's definitely not. She's definitely not lying because A, it happened to me. And B, just because I've been so outspoken about it.

and B, just because I've been so outspoken about it, in the last two years being on the road doing mean greets, I have had countless people tell me the exact same thing that happened to them. Or even more graphic, like he kissed me and I literally was just walking by him and he grabbed me and kissed me. Some girl was like, he grabbed my vagina. Like so many different stories. That's how I know this girl's not lying. So it was more of like a shock factor than anything else, you know?

Yeah. I mean, well, I just think it's great that you were able to at least speak lying so it was it was more of a like a shock factor than anything else you know yeah i mean well i i just think it's it's great that you were able to at least speak your truth and it's not always easy to do and do you feel like you know when you tell the story you've been outspoken with your audience that um you're you're you're giving more people like you said whether it's cuba gooding jr or just some guy down the street when it's happening out there to to women we still have a culture where people feel unsafe to come forward for this very thing and I think when the person is like a well-known rich celebrity it makes it even harder because nobody wants to turn on you know an American hero snow dogs the guy from snow

dogs like no one wants to turn on them. So it makes it really much harder. A friend told me not too long ago, and it really stuck with me. And he said, in 2019, people don't believe the facts. They believe who they like more. It's a popularity contest these days, especially with social media. And so sometimes it becomes harder and harder to come out and say something for fear of especially to that person where you know that they might have a following or supporters and it's just like i no matter what no matter i could literally show a video and people will find ways to discredit it right and it can be and i didn't say it like

for any reason like i didn't want to like i didn't want people to take my side like i just said it because it's what happened and i've been talking about it for years you could ask any of the kids i went to high school with like it was the craziest night i was like who the fuck just put their finger on my butt and that's like there's no motive behind why i said what i said i only said it because it's fucking true okay yeah no i uh i've i've over years, I've gone on dates with people and gotten to know them and some of them admitted things that have happened to me when they were young

and it's sometimes shocking and in almost all these cases, and there's been a handful, they didn't tell anyone. They just kept it quiet. And part of the reason I didn't run and tell the police is like, first of all, this was, I don't know, maybe eight eight years ago, like times were so different.

Like, I don't know if I necessarily knew what sexual assault was or like that that was considered sexual assault. Like, I only knew about sexual assault, like what I saw on Degrassi. You know what I mean? Like, that's really how I knew. So it was different times. And I was also a 16 year old in a club and I wasn't about to like call the police and like incriminate myself. I was more focused on like, I'm gonna get in trouble. Like I didn't tell anyone.

Fake ID taken away. Yeah. Like everyone get on, I'm going to get in trouble. I didn't tell anyone. Get my fake ID taken away. Yeah, everyone going to get grounded because I'm in a club drinking alcohol. And that's kind of what people fixated on. What kind of degenerate goes to a club at 16? Sorry I was cool, okay? I was cool and I went to clubs and had a great fucking time.

It's nuts what people latch on to. Totally. Are you involved in the court proceedings? No. I mean, I have, that's what I'm saying. nuts what people like latch on to you know totally are you involved in the court proceedings no i mean i have like that's what i'm saying like i have no intention with telling people other than to like say like it's just true to corroborate this girl's story i'm not trying to file charges like i don't even know what the statute of limitations are like i don't even know how i would prove it but i'm just saying it happened yeah no i mean that's an interesting point too

that i i know someone who knows him and it's totally separate than you guys coming on the show it came up and i was and then my my friend who's like oh this girl's lying you know me the the accuser the accuser rid of that friend i was like who fuck i mean get rid of that friend again she's more of a quid she's she an acquaintance oh now you're like taking a step back i'm just like whatever she's an acquaintance anyways i'm not trying to get into it but like she she only she knows him or whatever and and i just um and again i i can't i'm sure she's friends with him i don't know her reasoning but i just said like I sent her, it was when he got accused again. I said,

I'm like, there's a bunch of stuff out there. My only point of bringing this up is you coming out and telling your story for only reason to tell your story is because of the girl who actually is putting her face in it and accusing it. And I'm sure she's being told she's a liar by all these other people. And I, my,

my response to her was like, well, listen, I have a friend who this happened to there's clearly many more i mean listen i understand that sometimes people can lie but like in these situations where you have all these victims speaking up versus one guy's word being like i remember so for you to say it i think is a great thing in a in a sense that like if your only reason is to show support and it helps yes yeah um so

anyways uh let's make it lighter okay uh you guys are both married and you're both young yeah how old are you i am 26 for the next three weeks congratulations i'm 25 you're 25 so relatively still young women married we talk a lot about on this show uh especially with questions from nick about age and and where it how plays a role in your perspective um i sometimes uh get accused of age shaming do you in which direction about the youth oh the youth is i'm i'm older and so like it's just more and now it's more like hey listen when i was this age i did this this and this and i have a little bit more perspective now. But you know what?

You do have some years on us. I hate when people, like you're 25 and they're 26, are like, oh, when I was your age, I was so ignorant. Like, bitch. Wasn't there a time, I think it was Ben's season, when Olivia was age-shaming Emily at the same age. Well, you're just young. You don't really know any better.

Right. Like their age. Sure. But at the same time, there are, you know, exceptions to rules and just because you are older doesn't mean you have perspective

or maturity. And I guess what I'm saying is you guys are so damn accomplished at such a young age. You have like, you guys seem like you're good to go. Like your lives are set. You got your husbands. husbands you have your media empire we appreciate you saying that because that is like the fake image we put forth on social media so we really appreciate you so

tell me the real mess that is your life everyone has a mess just because it looks like something doesn't mean that it is and that's like the the golden rule of social media like don't believe what you see um but being married is the shit like it is like overall i highly recommend it but it it is like hard you know relationships are hard you gotta make it work and it's not like you know there's another person and weaving two lives together two careers isn't always easy but generally speaking i would highly recommend it to anyone it's like if i it feels like you can finally just relax interesting yeah how long were you guys dating your respective husbands before you got engaged slash married a long time we were dating for like four years um through college but i wasn't allowed to get

engaged while i was still in college so i graduated in may we got engaged in june parents didn't let you yeah and it was also like there were a couple girls i went to nyu so like um there were a lot of girls who like would walk around class with an engagement ring and like it was just kind of weird i didn't want to be that i felt like it was almost like inappropriate like you just didn't want to be that girl i didn't want to be that girl it makes sense yeah yeah and what about you uh so i was dating my now husband for two and a half years before we got engaged and then we got married a year later so we're been together total almost four years do you got i mean so your husband was he your own your first love yeah okay when i was 18

interesting i'm a one-woman man i've only had sex with one person wow and i'm not like uh not even intentionally i'm not like a like a no no i get a nerd like not that that's nerdy it's cool you could like if you're cold it's really it's really cool i like how on podcasts we'll say things like hold on backtrack who yeah who am i apologizing for right off the bat no because like i not that it's like late it's not lame or anything but there's like all like the conversations around colton him being a virgin like i thought that was so rude like you can not like colton for other reasons but like i think it's kind of nice that he's not out here like fucking a million girls and carrying all these kinds of venereal diseases and i thought like the conversations around like him being a loser for that were like really inappropriate.

So that's not that's not what I wanted to like to convey. But what I meant was I didn't set out being like I'm saving myself for marriage. I was 18 when I lost my virginity and it just so happened I married him. Okay. Yeah. Do you ever get worried or sometimes do you ever get the itch about like what else is out there, so to speak? Not necessarily for sex, but just the temptation of well for sex like the idea

of being naked in front of someone like makes me want to die so like I found one person who like loves me for me and I don't want to get naked in front of anyone else ever again like I don't even want to go to the beach so I'm really happy like not ever having to have sex with anyone and Ben is everything like I find that people

think like when you get married like you can never talk to a man again. You can talk to whoever you want. You can get to know people, have interesting conversations, but people just don't go home and fuck them. And I'm cool with that. It works for you. Yeah, very much so. What about you, Jackie?

So I dated in college and stuff, but this was my first real serious relationship. And once we started dating, it was just like, oh, we're getting married. Like you just know, as opposed to like when you're always on edge with someone and you feel like you can't be yourself. I feel like I dated, not even dated, because they like wouldn't ever like admit that they dated me, you know. Like they'd be like, we're not exclusive. What do you mean? Who are you?

I like met, like I was in so many like we just met a year ago like we were literally hooking up like i was in college hooking up with someone for one whole year right like how and we never went on a date like that's crazy yeah so um that's so did you ever try though yeah or were you just kind of cool the cool chick i like okay so i wanted to be cool for sure but i definitely tried and then there was one time when i like put myself out there which was so hard for me and i got so shut down and that's when i that was when the year was up and i finally and i finally moved on um but no so being married now i mean we met when i was 24 so i feel like i i really have life to live yeah and i met a lot of

different people and like so many people like suck so hard and so many guys just like are assholes because they think that's how they're supposed to act you know they don't even mean it they're just like oh this is what we do yeah but also there are like loser girls who like make it make boys think that that's how they should act and i blame those girls i'm sorry it's a it's a little bit of both of yeah i mean it's it's definitely how guys get raised and how they think they should act and then yeah sometimes they are egged on by by women who like mean guys who or who yeah or will emasculate them for not being macho enough or not you know you know women calling guys pussies right you know yeah exactly that happens we're trying to destigmatize the word pussy yeah we had a whole

podcast we had a whole podcast episode about it you would die if you i i mean basically we grew up where the like now i think of the word pussy and it's like porn like give me that pussy but but we grew up using the word pussy as like a very sweet endearing like maternal term Like a childish term for a vagina. For a vagina. Which is insane. Like vajayjay, like pussy. Like shmushky. Shmushky, yeah. So we were shocked to grow up and learn. You guys have no brothers, right? No.

And we spoke about this on our podcast very recently. And we were like, there's probably some people out there who have the same experience. Like not one person. So we are aware that this is so strange. The word pussy like has the ability to be so sweet and endearing, and I think that porn ruined it. So we're trying to take back the pussy, okay? Okay.

We are, even though it hurts coming out when you're on a podcast. It's like, what is she saying? Every time you've said it, I've slightly been like, yeah. It's a shocking word. I don't know. Spooky. But for us, it wasn't ever shocking. ever shocking we gotta take it back it was but we used to say growing up and i remember then someone said it to me like whoa that's like a really that's like a

perverse word like you shouldn't use it the way that you are and then after that i was shamed into into not using it anymore until now well i mean you guys aren't wrong in the sense that listen the the word was taken and made it to something. And that's what it is. So, I mean, you're probably not going to change it. No, we're not. It's worth starting the conversation. I don't want to die on this hill.

Yeah. It's definitely not a vine to die on for sure. No, not at all. But yes, it was totally turned into that. But I digress. was totally turned into that, but I digress. As young women who are married and excited about marriage, we do get a lot of questions from people who talk about the spark, losing the spark, the excitement, years into marriage, or even two years into marriage. I loved how you talked about just because you're married doesn't mean you can't have have fun have your independence do things but yet i've so

many people seem to equate getting married to the end yeah you know like well i'm just going to give up on life i'm like my wardrobe is a healthy dose of sweatpants and t-shirts and stains i don't need to work out uh you're not allowed to talk to anyone else You can't have friends of the opposite sex Now there's variables in all these things You know the devil's in the details And it depends on who you're married to Sure but is this a discussion that you guys had Did you guys just get lucky with your husbands

Like what are you guys doing Because inevitably in five or seven years There will be a rather Regularity to your relationships And what are you guys doing already To kind of keep it fun and interesting other than the fact that you guys are obviously spunky and fun and interesting? Well, first of all, I feel like it's also case by case on the type of person that you marry.

Like some people are really like scared by the idea of like regularity and comfort. And like I live for regularity. Regularity. Especially like given the work that i do like i travel so much and spend so much time away from home that it makes those regular moments like so special like i can't believe anyone would not like this you know um but i guess that's just a benefit of like having to travel a lot and being on tour like it makes the moments at home like that would seem boring and regular so special and like unique and i can't get enough of it um not to say that in

order to have a good marriage you have to spend time can't get enough of it um not to say that in order to have a good marriage you have to spend time away from home but like it is important to have like uh lives like i think a lot of people get married and they lose their friends and they like think that they can't talk if you had any guy friends who were guys like you can never talk to them again well my best friend in the world abe is a guy like and actually you look just like him um so i don't know it's like important to have your own thing going on and not be like so afraid of being comfortable. Like, why is that bad? And look for sweatpants.

Being bored is so underrated, I feel. Yeah. You think being bored is underrated? Okay, hold on one second before we dive into that. But I do want to get back to something you said in that I think it's, yeah, there is definitely a difference between, you don't go out of your way to have, like you don't go out of your way to spend time apart.

I mean, I guess sometimes maybe you need to. A girl's weekend. If you do have time apart, it's nothing to not embrace or have fun. You know, whatever your situation is like, you know, even if for if you're not doing tours, you are spending time away. Like see your family, see your friends. People are busy. Don't just stop doing stuff. Say I miss you and enjoy missing someone rather than fighting. You know what they say about absence.

Makes the heart grow stronger. Or out of sight, out of mind. Boredom is underrated. I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you. I'm curious what you mean by that. We talk a lot about boredom on the show in the sense that we do in my Q&A with questions, people date calling in and people ask me,

well, why are you good at asking them and i just say well almost every question comes down to ego or boredom like that's usually the answer to everyone's dating question it's like they're either driven by their ego and trying to do something that their ego is telling them they need to validate themselves or they're just probably bored yeah and they're doing it. Yeah. And, you know, boredom in the sense that our brain actually prefers scientifically pain to boredom. Interesting. In the sense that our brain seeks stimulation. Right.

Pain is a type of stimulation. Boredom is by definition no stimulation in the scientific sense. But yet you were an advocate of boredom. In what way? I'm curious. Like, I just think it's underappreciated. And I feel like when you have really stressful times, it makes you appreciate the times when things are quiet. And there's nothing on your mind.

Right. So until you have like a stressful situation, you won't appreciate being bored. But once you're over that hill, I think now you get to appreciate those quieter moments. Yeah, you know, and especially like my husband and I, we like each work and we have busy full lives. So when we are together, we just like, appreciate the quietness and just like the simplicity of being together. That's great. But there's definitely a skill

there. I'm curious, do you know how you do that? Because I think there's a lot of people and I would include myself that even in the situations, I would say, god i'm not stressed about this and this is cool but then when it happens then i'm anxious you know i'm anxious because i don't have anything going on or i feel like unsettled and also especially in this industry like when you are bored and like you're not working you're like oh my god i'm turning irrelevant like i need to release it i i have that anxiety too and i feel so i'm curious is how how do you go about that it's really neat my like philosophy in life i feel like so many times people get so and not that ambition is a bad thing whatsoever but people get so eager to be some so much more than they are when it's like if you take a step

back and look at your life like you're doing great like be happy with what you have because you might not have it forever right so i feel like when it comes to career and i've always had that mentality where it's like everyone wants more and more and more what am i gonna be doing next like i love what i'm doing now i want to enjoy what i'm doing now because i there's no guarantee i'm gonna be able to do it forever that's a brilliant way of thinking but you are unique in that i know i know that i'm unique in that and i always have and it's like the movie it's like the movie the greatest showman have you seen it this is the greatest it's an incredible film But he gets carried away With himself a little bit

When it's like What you had at that time Like he wants to go on tour With Jenny Lind And he mortgages his house And it's a beautiful home And it's like You had a beautiful home

And a wonderful show Like can't that be enough Sometimes Right You know he needed to Capture the rich people Right but yeah exactly He didn't like that society

You know what Didn't think too fond of him Like we're disgraced queens Over here We love it We love it You just have to sometimes Know where you are And like appreciate it And be happy with it i think that's great and

i i i say that knowing that it's not a strength of mine me neither i'm just like oh god it sounds so great it sounds so great if you ever have a problem you just gotta go to jackie she's the wisest person on planet earth it's very level-headedness of you thank you um and and i think it it's set at a time where we it's it's we're our i'm particularly bad at it i think it's my personality but i think society in general is like we're ingrained to we have again it's part of it is we have so much access to see what we're not doing you're always looking at other people access to compare ourselves to literally anything we want to compare ourselves to so to feel settled and insecure with what you're doing is becoming a harder, harder thing to do. I totally agree. And then also on the flip side, you border on complacency a little bit. So I think

that's something like that would be what I have to, you know, work on sometimes. But everyone has, life is a balance. How are you guys similar and different? Because I get, I see obviously some similarities and some differences. And it seems as though you guys, your whole family compliments each other quite well. It's really true. Well, we're different because I'm dumb and Jackie's smart. Like, it's so crazy.

Like we run a business together and like I'll come up with an idea. And I'm like, Jackie, we should do this. And Jackie's like, well, here's why we shouldn't do it. And she like predicts the future. And she's never been wrong. And it's so crazy., we should do this. And Jackie's like, well, here's why we shouldn't do it. And she like predicts the future. And she's never been wrong. And it's so crazy. It's actually really nice.

And I'm sure it's a lot of pressure for you. But like, it's nice to run a business and like be related to someone who just can. She's like Raven Baxter. Like she can see the future. And she knows what's right for us. And she knows like when to stand her ground and when to give in. Like, it's so crazy. I attribute all the success of the show just to Jackie's level-headedness

and ability to literally see the future. I can't say it in other words. It's crazy. You're clearly coming up with the energy, the ideas. The energy, the ideas. Multitude of talents to the show. She's just kind of keeping a leash on you,

so to speak. She's honing in the brilliance of Claudia. That's great. Thanks for the idea. of claudia that's that's great she does as far as the business goes we always say like claudia is like this creative like energetic like i don't know left brain right brain but she's one of the brains and i'm like hr and standards and i'm like this is what we have to do by quarterly end of year earnings and we will get where we need to go in order for you to continue i'm compliance yeah you're the thing yeah yeah but to ever like

to people who don't know us very well we are like twins you know we talk the same we love the same things we've had the same life experience yeah so we're so similar but then once you get to know us you realize like how different we are but at the end of the day like we're all so similar jackie's a refined like lady and i'm a beast so do you ever watch desperate housewives i've seen it so like jackie's a brief and camp and i'm much more of a lunette oh are you unfortunately i love all your references are like 2000 yeah well 2000 was the golden age of television it was and desperate housewives was gone too soon this is a bit outdated when this is gonna episodes going to drop but this morning jennifer aniston joined instagram instagram which one of you hates friends jackie and you love friends yes i have

taste yes i'm uh i don't hate friends by any stretch but it's not amazing as you would describe i literally i'm about to get up from this couch i'm not getting into this seriously like about friends my full-time job is defending friends and it's like sorry like you don't know true comedy and i'm seriously i'm not gonna do it it's amazing do you want me to walk off it's amazing it's amazing double cam i'm just more of a seinfeld guy oh god have you seen that tweet that's been going around about the person who wants to win the lottery so that they can buy the rights to friends and take out all the laugh tracks and put it back up so people can see how unfunny it is. That's my kind of guy. That's my kind of guy. I appreciate the, yes, I like,

whether he's right or wrong, I like the thought process. It's not even that. I want to just take out the laugh track so that maybe I have a chance at enjoying it because I find that laughing. I know it's not a track. It's a live audience where they like beat you to clapping.

Claudia is truly annoyed. It's honestly, it's like like this is how I feel about having conversations about Taylor Swift like I'm not gonna sit here and defend why Taylor Swift is the greatest artist businesswoman alive like we're huge we're huge Taylor Swift yeah it's just like I find myself in these precarious situations all the time like having to defend my love of friends having to defend my love of Taylor Swift and like honestly I'm just not gonna do it anymore I'm at a place in my life where I just don't feel like I have to defend myself and I'm just I'm just not going to it's exhausting like when something's so personal to you

Friends is so personal to me like I feel like I have such bad anxiety I put friends on like it calms me down Taylor Swift is like my icon like I just don't feel the need to defend My choices anymore okay My body my motherfucking choice Who uh What friends character are you I feel like

This is kind of controversial I'm so glad we're like changing the tide I feel like this is kind of controversial. I'm so glad we like changing the tide. I feel like I'm now she's happy. She's sour. I feel like I'm kind of ready like a Ross. I'm Ross. Okay, let me tell you why. And actually, I feel like you'll actually I don't love that.

I'm Ross, but I'm definitely Ross. So it's like when someone says they love Ross, there's two reactions like or like, fuck. Yeah, like you're a part of the club and when someone's like I love Claudia either they're like she sucks ignorant or they're like oh my god she's a fucking tits I love her show I guess I guess I love people who have

responded to me right it's not like I'm not Joey which is like oh my god he's just so not offensive and funny it's like okay he's a one trick pony who puts spaghetti on the carpet and eat it and but there's like a a slow burn to ross and a charm that's and it's like you it it it sneaks up on you and why i feel like i'm a ross he's so earnest is because when people like don't like ross they refuse to see like the real charm in him but if you can watch friends as

completely like you know unbiased and look at david schwimmer like you will see that david schwimmer is the best actor on that show ross is the most complex complex character and like he really makes you laugh the most and even though he's just not obviously funny like a phoebe or joey he's probably one of the funniest characters and that's how i feel about me it's like i think i'm amazing but like it just takes like a special eye to see how amazing i am do you know what i mean i mean that's subtle i think it's oh thank you yeah i think it's obvious yeah but yeah i'm ross who are you i'm just gonna ask you guys who am i oh um i think you're kind of you're definitely a rachel oh okay yeah like pretty oh thanks pretty like everyone you know like well

liked i see a little phoebe i'll be honest oh well that's a huge compliment Yes it's a huge compliment I was gonna say Monica Oh my god how dare you insult my sister On this podcast Okay clearly you have strong opinions about Monica She fucking sucks if she had died on the first episode the show would have been better That's my only critique I just Monica is the taskmaster and you just

Described someone who kind of keeps the family in line You know what I take it back. That's not necessarily Rachel. Rachel has to like, someone has to convince her to cut her credit card. Jackie's definitely like the, you know, the color coded binder kind of gal. Yeah. But someone does have to convince me to cut my credit card. Yeah.

So, you know, you're actually, you're a hybrid. You are a fusion of Rachel and Monica now that I think about it. I will take it because I don't know what it means. All the good parts of each. Like for Monica, like you're not not fun. You're actually very fun. Monica's not fun. And with Rachel, you're not stupid.

Like Rachel makes the worst decisions. Understood. A Carrie Bradshaw. A Terry Hatcher, Desperate Housewives, Susan moment. A Serena Vanderwoodson moment. Yeah. I have no idea what you're talking about, but I also find it. Just the worst characters in television history.

I get it. No, you say it with passion. Passion is very convincing. It is. I've come to realize that a lot of popular shows especially ones we liked as a kid if you go back and watch as an adult the main character is actually the worst character quite atrocious it's very difficult to watch they have terrible decision making skills and you're shocked that you ever liked the show as a kid because like you watch now as an adult seeing like how fucking stupid they are you know, but that's what's relatable about life. No, I don't find it relatable.

I wouldn't make dumb decisions like that. You say that with hindsight. That's true. You wouldn't make dumb decisions like that? I feel like you've made dumb decisions like that. Yeah, that's true. But like, okay, fine. You totally got me there.

I'm sorry. Yeah, take it away. As we all have. I say that not knowing you. It's like you weren't on TV. Right, right. Like if there were enough people watching. It's a scripted show.

They were reading their lines. Touche, touche. You can say that about me on the reality TV reject. You've done okay. Not reject. We all are reality. Reality. I say that as a, I embrace.

Pride. With pride. What were, yeah, the reality TV star, I have more of a, I have a hard, I don't like, I'd rather be called a reality TV reject than a reality TV star. Okay. There's definitely a stigma with the phrase reality TV star. It's being destigmatized. It is.

We are, We are coming. You technically have the same job title as Kim Kardashian. Some of us rejects have dated real celebrities. Mike Johnson, he's out of control. Someone has got to

tase him. He is nuts. No. Wait, what do you mean? asked out kiki palmer live on the today show yes live wait ma and he was isn't it i thought he was dating no apparently it's over because he said he made a mistake in being so public about it so then he went on to publicly ask out kiki palmer on her show at work did she say yes no no she was like cringing so hard it was so she was but she's a she's a class act. Like she would never. He really feeling himself. Yeah.

You know, I tried to walk and now they're running. They're sprinting. They're sprinting. They're out of control. They're like, they're going nuts. People give credit to Wells and Sarah for being like the first couple to kind of, you know, lean into like traditional celebrity. But people really don't give proper credit because you were out here, you know, dating

January Jones before anyone else and now Rachel Bielsen like you you're really doing you're doing the Lord's work and you're not getting any credit for it you have great taste I'm private about surprisingly in my dating life so I don't really comment on that stuff that's okay we'll comment for you yeah

I like Mike he seems to need to chill slightly like you put a picture on your Instagram story of like a girl wearing a white dress. And then it was like Rachel Wilson was wearing that white dress. So me thinks you're dating Rachel Wilson. Sometimes you can just go to dinner with someone who's your friend. And you do have a lot of friends, as you've spoken about. As women.

Who are women. A hundred percent. That's why you're so woke. So we don't really know what to think, which is why we came here. Yeah. To find the tea, honestly. I do enjoy keeping people on their toes. Will you tell us after? Yes. will okay claudia yeah you are also are you you're a stand-up comedian yeah

is that yes you're a stand-up comedian yep big time uh rochelle also a stand-up comedian i i uh i have a dream one day of doing it not because i think i'll be good but i just want to yeah me and martin uh how did you start that i mean again that's really cool yeah as a you're 25 24 fuck i don't know 25 accomplished comedian you're selling out theaters it's a huge privilege one i'm only afforded because of the internet like i started whatever the reason whatever the reason i just wanted to do comedy and i don't think i was brave enough to do it you know at an open mic so it's always something that's been on on my mind but when i was like i said i've just been trying different things with the internet and whatever sticks great whatever doesn't great um and so i just launched a live

show at caroline's like 18 months ago in new y and I just like I'm gonna do this yeah and they wanted to have me just because we had a popular podcast so I was really grateful for the opportunity and I was like so nervous about selling tickets I launched two shows and I remember I was on a plane taking off um and I was freaking out because it was like 9 59 9 59 9 50 and by the time it was 10 o'clock I was like in the middle of taking off so by the time I got wi-fi like 10 minutes later I was having a pit I was like having anxiety in the in the plane and it sold out and i was like oh my god so then i was like oh shit like it sold out like now i have to like do a 90 minute show you've never done stand-up before never and i didn't oh my god and i did you sold out a 90

minute show winning totally well figure it out with yeah well because i my first hurdle was the selling and then i'm like well if it sells I'll figure it out And then it's sold and I was like oh fuck like I Gotta figure it out so I Started working with a comedy coach and to be honest Like you can't you can't Like learn comedy like you just gotta Fucking do it but it's hard to do it in front of

A sold out audience like most people have The practice in front of like an open mic a couple people Five minutes here five minutes there So I ended up doing six shows at Caroline's and each one was better than the next and better and better and better. And it was 280 people. So it was like a pretty big audience to be practicing in front of. But like you said,

our fans are very supportive and they were loving and they were just happy to be there. And, and I was really grateful for like the, uh, the mattress pad. Like they, they weren't too tough.

Um, and then we just started adding more shows and it turned into like an 18 month tour that i'm still on um we started doing comedy clubs and now i'm only doing theaters um and it's everything like i wish that i had done it sooner i wish it like i hadn't been so afraid because like the amount of progress i feel like i've made in my own abilities in the last 18 months like i'm impressed with myself that i'm like wow if i actually started this five months ago like maybe i'd have a fucking netflix special or something you know i mean five years ago i think about that a lot and i often don't take my own advice in that department my life has been a series of finally doing things only to realize it was never as hard as i made it

out to be yeah and i think generally in life that's the case i mean stand-up is as hard as you make it out i think it's the hardest i'm not necessarily talking about stand-up is as hard as you make it out. I think it's the hardest job in the world. I'm not necessarily talking about stand-up specifically, but like taking risks, you know, it might just be like moving downtown or whatever it is, moving to a different city. People so much like, oh, I don't think I can really, should I move? It seems so hard.

I'm like, when you really break it down, it's not that hard. I mean, it's slightly different. And then you'll do it and you'll be like, oh, it's so easy. You should have done it sooner. There's value in facing your fears. And sometimes it doesn't work out the way that you want it to, but sometimes it does slightly different. And then you'll do it and you'll be like, oh, that's so easy. You should have done it sooner. There's value in facing your fears. And sometimes it doesn't work out the way that you want it to, but sometimes it does.

Yeah. I think it's really neat. And for me, again, the biggest takeaway is whether it's comedy or not, but in terms of just being not afraid to fail. Because it could have not worked out.

You could have not sold out. You could have sold out. Of course. Done a terrible job. You could have done a terrible job you literally didn't know i probably did do a terrible job now if i watched it i would like die of shame well you probably have gotten better i think so it sounds i'm it sounds like you were did you have other people open for you or no oh my god so i tried to like straight stand up the first time yeah the first time so basically

what i did to kind of get to the place that i'm at now is like i put together more of like a variety show where i would do 30 minutes of stand-up. That's a lot. That's still a lot. For people, that's a lot. And then I would play games that were like, it was like a never have I ever, but it was still stand-up, but there was more structure to it because I didn't know how to transition into just telling a story about the time I almost got arrested at the Syracuse airport. And then I would have guests like Caitlin from The Bachelorette came on, and I slowly to end like a Q and a, and then I took out the Q and a and I made the 30 minutes a little bit longer.

Then I took out the games, made the 30 minutes, 60 minutes, took out the interview. And then, then it was 90 minutes on its own. And so once I started dropping those kinds of crutches, like I felt so good, like, and then I almost felt stupid forever having done it. I'm like, I'm like embarrassed that I used to do it, but that's how I got to the place. I don't even, I don't even know how people, and like,

I can't even ever imagine going on another tour because like all my jokes are in this one. Like all my stories, like I have to like live 30 more years before I can ever write another show, you know? It's still cool. I think it's really neat. And it's also fine that you did improve because like

you can't i think about our our podcast yep okay i think it was pretty good when it started but i also look back and be like huh yeah it's better now you know like this little you should feel a little nuance yeah it would be weird if you didn't and so like sometimes it's just like also and then it goes fast you're like well if i if if there were things like, well, if I could just be there, if it could just be done, people don't want to go through the journey. They don't want to. That's the key. They don't want to put in the hard work.

They don't want to embrace it because that's part of the charm of look, you don't appreciate it and you don't look back. And then if you felt like you weren't getting better, then you'd almost feel like in business, literally the mantra is if you're not growing, you're dying. If you're not getting bigger, like staying the same in business is death. And that's kind of the same in life. If you have a show and it's just kind of stale and not different and not improving slowly over time, they're probably with your audience isn't noticing a definitive change.

But if they went back and listened, then it would be kind of not obvious. Well, that's like our mantra here at the morning toast it's like there's so much value in growth and i feel like in like today's kind of like cancel culture people don't place any value on the fact that like you can grow up and like you can be different and you're so quick to like hate somebody because of something they said 10 years ago when it's like that it's actually very possible that they don't feel that way anymore and like this is what i said the other day on the podcast is I was just rewatching the first season of Entourage.

And in the episode, they say the R word on every other line. And no one's out here canceling them because it was very much a different time. And I don't think there's enough acknowledgement to that. And the fact that now, today, HBO would really never make a show where every other word is the R word. that and the fact that like now today like hbo would really never make a show where every other word is the r word so i think that it's okay to to grow up and understand that like as long as you're evolving i think sometimes people are afraid of the word ignorance in the sense that if you admit that you're ignorant then all of a sudden you have the scarlet letter but sometimes

you can say listen i'm i acknowledge i probably don't know as much as i do i am ignorant but i do want to learn and sometimes you can say well i was ignorant and i have learned and i have like but you gotta i'm still there's always more learning to do like there's always room for growth yeah it's like embarrassing like how like ignorant i think i used to be and i'm still very much embarrassing in my ignorance but i'm getting a lot better we've i i know i have been too but like yes you can acknowledge that you were but you're still yeah again sometimes our people are afraid that they have been or were or can be ignorant but like that's kind of the first step that's like yeah the first time is it kind of like yeah i guess i have a problem i don't know before i let

you ladies go we like to play a game here called do You Know Me? Okay. It's a fun little game you can find on Amazon. It's a kind of a party game, but I like it because I think fun conversations come from simple questions. And so Rashaun and I are going to try to guess who knows you two better. Okay. It's real simple. I'm going to read a question. I'm going to insert both your names rashaun i will guess uh if you have or haven't kind of thing they're random questions and then

feel free to elaborate if you'd like um ready yep kicking off do you know me with claudia and jackie With Claudia and Jackie. Has Claudia and or Jackie kissed someone in the last 24 hours? They are traveling. They're out of town. I don't know if they're with their husbands. Wait, we got to answer. Oh, your answer for us? We first guess. Then you will let us know.

Well, I don't. If they did, I don't think they've cheated on their husbands. You don't? No. They certainly wouldn't admit to it. Announce it here. Let's just assume. We'll give you the scoop.

Honestly, though, that would be great for my show. If it were true, I would tell you right now. Me too. I do think maybe they are very affectionate and kiss each other

on the cheek, some sort of kiss. So I'm going to say, yes, they have, but itate and kiss each other on the cheek some sort of kiss so I'm gonna say yes they have but it's been with each other in a very sister like not weird porno sort of way

you're half right because I will like make out with my sisters like there's no I can't there's no such thing

as too close like we shower together like I don't care but Jackie is like a freak she's like don't touch me she doesn't even like to be hugged you like really i like my space yeah don't get up in my face i don't like people like touching my face get the fuck out of my face ho um that's an iconic line from the hit show vanderpump rules um so yeah personally i definitely have not kissed anyone in

the last 24 hours i have I think I kissed Lauren Elizabeth the other night and maybe Brooklyn okay I just love kissing like that was also more than 24 hours ago though oh that's true but I definitely have kissed Margo we're sleeping in the same bed so yeah what were you gonna say I was gonna say no so you're both half right right together you are right uh one zero and zero zero is the score has claudia or jackie ever pissed their pants uh hells yeah hells yeah if if you're getting in clubs at age 16 you're pissing why do i feel like and i apologize if i'm being offensive that i feel more confident that claudia's pissed her pants than jackie well that's so shocking i feel feel like if Jackie had to piss her pants, even six-year-old Jackie would have like, would.

Well, obviously everyone's peed their pants like when they're a child. We're talking post-potty training. Yes. Post-potty training. Well, I appreciate the offensive, you know, inference you just made. But no, I actually have not peed myself as an adult. I don't think. Oh, sorry.

Yes, I did. I was at a wedding In Brooklyn And I didn't have to pee I didn't have to pee when I left the wedding But by the time I got back into the city It was like a 30-45 minute drive We get to Ben's apartment This was a couple years ago

I'm like in my gown And I'm wearing Spanx And Ben doesn't have a key so we are standing in his hallway when i had to pee myself oh that's heating your spanks in front of your husband yeah right up and he was just my boyfriend right there that's love i've definitely peed my pants post potty training it's familiar feeling. I can't recall like when specifically, but it doesn't sound foreign. Yeah. Okay.

I thought for sure I hadn't. I was going to surprise everyone. Yeah. It really hit you. Yeah. The memory. I forgot. I tried to block it out, you know?

I was a bit of a bed wetter, eight or nine, seven, eight or nine. And since then, I've been pretty solid, but. Pretty solid. There was a time I was roller skating. I know I roller skate now, but when I was a kid.

Oh, sure. I was having so much fun that I just... But if you're a dude, you really shouldn't be peeing your pants. You can just whip it out and pee up on a building or something. As a girl, you can't just pull your pants down and squat in the middle of the road. It was kind of hard at a roller skating rink. Yeah. It seems quite easy. Or in the hallway outside Ben road. It was kind of like hard at a roller skating rink. Yeah. Seems quite easy.

Or in the hallway outside Ben's apartment, like there would have been the same option as you. Yeah. But like if I had a dick, I would have like went outside and like been on a corner or something. Out the window? Something. Like there was, there's no options for a girl.

It's like pants or toilet, you know? Dudes, it's like in a bottle or something. We are blessed. Yeah. Peeing. Yep. like in a bottle or something we are blessed yeah with peeing yep does claudia or jackie know which element na is on the periodic table no i don't that's for sure i think they do sodium sodium bitch nacl is salt smart bitch did you know that no I didn't know I was gonna guess

Salt But sodium I was a physics major For the first part Of my time in college And then I transferred To be a communications manager Major

Once I like Became famous on Instagram This is why I love Do you know me Because Wow Yep Physics major

Yep You're a math and science chick Yeah Well not really anymore but i can't even impressive claude thank you i would have gotten wrong who would have known i can't believe i knew that like i know nothing you didn't even hesitate you're like please i'm just thinking back to miss brucho pointing at that periodic table chart of elements i was really impacted by her do you like breaking bad it's actually the second time i spoke about Ms. Bracho this week. Loved Breaking Bad. Correct. Has Claudia and Jackie, or Jackie, ever won more than...

I have options here. $1,000 in Las Vegas. I could have said $50, but I feel like you're hot. Claudia just looked super smug and crossed her arms. I'm not saying anything. It's a personal subject for her. She's won, I think, a hundred thousand. Like, that's the look she gave.

A hundred thousand dollars. I think at one time she's won more than a thousand, but she's lost more than she's won overall. She's had a big loss. I did have a very big loss in the Ritz Carlton in Puerto Rico. It was a very tough, tough, tough trip for me. And Ben, we could not get out of that hole. She kind of gave herself away. We kept going back every night, just like hoping. And, you know, it was really tough because tough trip for me and Ben we could not get out of that hole and we just kind of gave herself away we kept going back every night just like hoping and you know it was

really tough because at midnight in this hotel um in the casino they would give out grilled cheeses and they were so good like they were the perfect grilled cheese like really smushed like white bread American cheese so we used to just sit around like waiting for the grilled cheese so we just like had to gamble and we got ourselves into like a huge like really like and this was you know back before we were both like like a huge like really like and this was you know back before we were both like really financially like independent and it was it was really bad what are we talking it was a lot and i have had you know very low lows but i've had some high fucking highs and i love winning i have won way more than a thousand dollars yes and i just can't get enough

i'm a card counter she's a card shark and you're so smart you're acting like you're not smart no actually i can't count cards like i'm actually not that smart um i just love gambling i love the thrill i love the environment of a casino i love the free drinks i love the camaraderie at a blackjack table like i just i love gambling so much like i'm getting the itch right now you know like we gotta drive to las vegas that's that's also ironically enough how many people talk about not trying to get back with ex-boyfriends I guess gambling is my yeah no

or just like the bad bets like I'm just going to work this time one more time he's going to be the person I but you know what in gambling like the odds they're not crazy so like

it actually might like your ex-boyfriend like it's just one person and one chance whereas like there's many cards that would situate your situation yep yep yep yep yep but i'm the polar opposite i do not you're risk averse gambling that's how this works it's not right brain yeah i don't know if it's risk averse also i sound like the most boring bitch on the planet on this show like they're gonna be like she has such a stick up her ass but she doesn't she's so fun she got so hung over on saturday she needed an iv yeah and also that's like what people want to say about me and that's like the worst thing so true totally fine count your blessings um no but

i and this is awkward because now we're playing a game but i really just don't like games and also it's so annoying like i live to play board games how do you feel about this one i'm enjoying it so far honestly do you play code names oh that was a good one the board game code names the reason i don't like games is because i don't like to get involved but when i do i get really competitive and i'm so invested that it just takes a lot out of me and so with gambling i actually don't mind it but if i'm gonna lose a couple hundred dollars i'd rather spend it i just love to shop so i would rather if you're shop gambling like i will go shopping i just i don't mind to lose the money i just want it to go to something tangible hey that makes sense to me i mean you know what and the drinks i know

they give you free drinks at the casino but they're disgusting i'd rather pay for a proper martini they're also not free they're also not right they're also not free i i gamble uh as a form of entertainment in the sense that I I'll take out a couple thousand dollars or a thousand when we gamble I take out a hundred dollars I play like fifteen dollars at a time

and it's like an activity over the course of a weekend if I go to Vegas you're preaching the choir Nick we gotta take a trip no but I in my mind that's money I'm going to lose choir nick we gotta take a trip uh no but i that i i in my mind that's money i'm going to lose as if i'm going to a show you're spending money for a good time if i win great if i don't go to the atm and take out more money yeah you know like i i basically budgeted out over the course of a few days those atm fees are a bitch uh yeah so i i have some

control that makes sense yeah you're paying for the experience. I'm paying for the... It's like an activity. It's like going to the club. You're getting a table. Yeah. Final question. Yeah.

But what if you go gamble and then go to the club? It's like... It's an expensive night. It's like you're not getting that table. No, you guys don't buy bottles. Excuse me. I'm the bottle queen. I live for a bottle.

I don't doubt you do. I want the best biggest bottle at the front table. You're not getting the hookup oh that's a different question yeah you're not buying the bottle we just went to Vegas

for my birthday and we like it was it was really hooked up except we really wanted to see Diplo at XS and they don't do hookups

but I bought it anyway because it was like everyone wanted to see Diplo and then I just knew like if I didn't if I took them to one of the free places everyone would be like I wish we were at Diplo and then the people would like escape and to see Diplo and then I just knew like if I didn't if I took them to one of the free places everyone would be like I wish we were at Diplo and then the people would like escape

and run to Diplo and I'm like a dictator when it comes to my birthday and like no one's allowed to leave before 6am so I got it I got the biggest best table it was worth every penny I would have paid double we were there and the club was they turned the lights on they're sweeping they're sweeping the confetti I'm like where's Diplo

wow I kind of wanted to be there but I probably would have been tired we should go back they turn the lights on. They're sweeping the floors. They're sweeping the confetti. I'm like, where's Diplo? Wow. I kind of wanted to be there, but I probably would have been tired. We should go back. Final question. Has Claudia or Jackie ever bought followers for a social media account? Jackie has not.

I think Claudia has a long time ago when she was figuring out the whole social media game she now is ashamed of it she wish she never did it but it did happen at one point agreed you nailed it when i was big tags for likers well no i bought 500 followers tag 50 friends i bought 500 followers When I started Girl with no job I had 500 And I wanted a thousand

Because back in the day Like the three figures Versus the four figures Was like a big deal I bought 500 followers And then Slowly Like they were janky

Because slowly over time Like they They started disappearing They left you I got back to 500 Yeah So it was a huge mistake One in which I don't endorse

Because it doesn't work And it was pretty pricey too Yeah I don't buy followers But I'm really tempted to Like even Like right now After the show

I might go buy some Yeah because I think so many people Buy followers Brands As much as they can see Your engagement I have the engagement

Of someone who has Double the amount of followers That I have I can buy all those followers And then get paid Like double by brands I mean obviously not now When I'm expelling

On my whole plan Right And now that I'm saying this I probably won't do it because people will notice. No, but they have the tools. It's really shocking. No, but they really don't. I see so many premium influencers who have a million followers who get the same amount of likes that I do.

I just have really high engagement because we're toaster strong over here. We're actually experts and there are so many influencers who like we stalk. And we're not even just talking about like the fit T model girls. It's people who you know who have such low engagement have so many followers get huge brand collaborations huge brand deals and i would say over 50 of their following is manipulated or purchased or their followers are from so long ago that they're not active anymore and they're just at the bottom of their algorithm so maybe at no point did they actually buy followers but they don't have a good engagement rate and i could get that same rate if i just bought some followers but now you would all know yeah but so can you

just follow me yeah you're with no job jackie oh problems but no like please talk me out of it because i'm about to go buy some i don't think you should do it she's not going to because i think engagement rate is way more i mean i all like i literally as you guys know have natural habits i'm i'm a part of, we do a lot of marketing. I literally purchase software to look at this and find micro-influencers. And as a business owner looking for people to endorse my brand, I only care about engagement rate. I actually pay very little attention to the overall following. I mean, I look at it as a baseline and then i the devil's in the details

because yeah you are an influencer so you know that like these huge corporations who have like yes 90 year old white dudes running their influencer campaign they are yeah it's like it's so crazy and if i'm if i ever do a campaign i always look at the hashtag to see like who else is running the campaign and it's shocking how like poor poorly chosen the poorly researched these influencers are yeah also when you work with micro influencers the engagement rate is always higher because of the ratio but when you have a million followers that expected engagement rate is like two percent like i can get there guys yeah it's don't do it no don't i won't because now everyone knows like that would be humiliating and then all the brands would know. Like my plan has got fired.

What if you bump up like 10,000 because of this podcast? We don't want people to assume that you bought followers. That's true. That's true. I'll wait till after this podcast. And then it decredits like all of your future accomplishments. Right. It's like when you buy one fake handbag, it ruins your whole collection.

Your whole collection looks fake if you carry around one fake. Like I feel like I just admitted about the 500 followers. Like now everyone thinks my brand is built on like lies. It is, but no, well, you're honest and vulnerable and that's why you're relatable and lovely. Um, I know you guys,

ladies, you have to go before we do your, I'm just going to toasters, essential oils, code toasters. Every time I go on their show, there's a code toasters. Oh,

they love the essential. I love, I think I'm your number one customer, except she's never paid for anything. Right. I have some more for you. I'm your number one customer. Except she's never paid for anything. Right. I have some more for you. I'm your number one brand ambassador. You've more than earned it.

Thank you. She's a brand ambassador. Code Toasters, I think the discount is quite healthy. I think it's 20%, right? It's higher than that. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Rich.

Let me actually check. I think it's the highest. What's your favorite? It's the highest. It's the highest discount I've ever given out. I go off of whatever's in my drawer. I like them all, honestly. I like a little eucalyptus

peppermint situation. While Nick is looking that up, I just want to remind you guys tickets to my tour are available at girlwithnojob.com. I'm hitting up, you know, the West Coast.

We got San Diego, San Francisco. We got New York. We got Englewood. We just announced new shows in Tarrytown and Verona today. We're hitting up Ontario. It's going to be a really good time. So, Atlantic City. Got to come through. Tickets available at girlwithnojob. Ontario. It's going to be a really good time. So Atlantic City, got to come through.

Tickets available at girlnotjob.com. It's about a 90 minute show. Everyone, the reviews are in and I think they're good. So you should come. And if you want to contribute to me not buying followers, please follow me at Jackie O Problems is all I ask. I really quite like your handle. Thank you.

Did you, I mean, was it like an homage to Jackie O? Yes. Well, my name is Jackie O So I've always Been Jackie O But it was I made it during the era Of like white girl problems And everyone had

All these problems And so I was like Tall girl problems I was like I have Jackie O problems Because they were all Like specific to me The name alone

Is worth a follow Yeah Thank you I actually like Do want to drop the problems But I I don't think you should You don't

I think Jackie O Is so much sleeker But I don't know anyone Who can help me I message the girl all the time that's someone who might take themselves very seriously Jackie oh problems is like I got problems that's true

okay it's not like cheesy no I think you should stick with it and it's you know it's you know paying homage to your history you know and how you got here that's how I got here I'm built on problems yeah toasters is 35% it's the highest ever given out I'm gonna activate problems. Yeah. The toasters is 35%. It's the highest ever given out. I'm going to activate it for this episode.

Yes. You guys have been great. And you're, it's the release one that you sleep with constantly. Oh, nice. She doesn't pay attention. She just uses it,

which is fine. Yeah. No, I just, I like what I have. I don't know what it is, but NH oils.com. Love it.

Ladies. Thanks so much for coming on. Always fun. Thank you for having us. Best of luckHOils.com. Love it. Ladies, thanks so much for coming on. Thank you. Thank you for having us. Best of luck in all your endeavors. You guys, obviously, if you're not listening and following them, Toasters, you guys are on multiple times a morning. Go see Claudia's stand-up.

Follow Jackie on Instagram. It's been a lot of fun. We'll have to do it again. Woo-hoo. As always, guys, don't forget to rate us five stars on iTunes. Send us your comments. Well, you don't really have to send us your comments, so I'll probably ignore them for my own mental health.

But, hey, we do appreciate you giving us a plug on social media. Until next time, have a great week. See you Monday. Bye-bye.