The Viall Files - E567 Love is Blind Recap with Violet Benson

Episode Date: April 11, 2023

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Love is Blind Recap Edition! Today we are joined by Violet Benson to talk about Episode 9-11 of Season 4. Which couples will say yes at the altar, and who do we predict will say no? Nick pitches his idea for Love is Blind bachelor parties, and Violet shares each of the cast member’s zodiac signs and how they are compatible with their partners.  “You also should work on yourself, because you’re attracting the same partner over and over.”  Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://www.viallfiles.supportingcast.com   Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes. Join us for our new LIVE show on Thursdays at 9PM ET/6PM PT on Amp, available in the Apple app store. Android User? Listen here: https://www.onamp.com/ To Order Nick’s Book Go To: http://www.viallfiles.com  If you would like to get some texting advice on Office Hours send an email to [e-mail] with “Texting Office Hours” in the subject line! To advertise on the show, contact [e-mail] or visit https://www.advertisecast.com/TheViallFiles  THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Rothy’s - For stylish and sustainable shoes, shop Rothy’s. Get $20 off your first purchase at https://www.rothys.com/VIALL Helix Sleep - Helix is offering up to 20% off all mattress orders AND two free pillows for our listeners! Go to helixsleep.com/Viall This is their best offer yet and it won’t last long! With Helix, better sleep starts now. Babbel - Right now, get up to 55% off your subscription when you go to https://www.Babbel.com/viall. Babbel—Language for life. Tawkify -  Right now, Tawkify is offering our listeners 20% off when you become a client at https://www.Tawkify.com/VIALL Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @violetbenson @daddyissues_ @alison.vandam @liffordthebigreddog @dereklanerussell

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slash whatever, whatever we want to talk about. With our special guest today, Violet Benson returns, who I think you were the second guest I ever had. Wow, really? I think so. Okay. Wow. Okay, well, I'm excited to return.

And this episode is what? 567? Whatever the fuck. Yeah. What's new, well, I'm excited to return. And this episode is what? 567? Whatever the fuck. Yeah. What's new? Wow, so much. So I just finished freezing my eggs. Woo!

Does that deserve like a round of applause or something? I don't know. I think so. I mean, it was- Who recently did that? We had- Oh, it was Rozzy. Yes, Rozzy.

I think Rozzy was getting ready to- She was getting ready. Yes. You just had the surgery. Yeah, I just had the surgery a couple of days ago. So I will say it was 16 days of just injections. I'm not scared of needles or anything like that. So I documented my whole progress.

And I will say it felt very simple and easy to just go through. Injecting myself four times a day was like a breeze. And I didn't get bloated, nothing. I actually even lost weight during the time of doing it. Is like not it's the opposite because you get bloated but i i was like so um nauseous from the injections i just couldn't eat then i had the surgery and because i apparently have something called pcos i have so many eggs not all of them will be mature, but I've had, I was so fertile that I had over 40 follicles inside and then 28 mature eggs, which means there was so much inside of me to scrape out that after surgery, that's when other women normally they're finally fine.

And that's when I was suffering. Like for two days I couldn't walk or sit. Oh no. Yeah. How are you feeling now? This is the first time I finally walked outside my house we brought her in and away yeah we're honored that you braved the yeah so yeah i'm just happy it's over we're glad to have you well i have a lot to get into before we do love is blind do we have any is there any bachelor so something that i just think is topical because you love to talk about the the relationship between hannah brown and her sister-in-law, Haley Brown. Is there an update?

Well, they all spent Easter together. And I thought it was interesting because they both posted for Easter, but they posted a little different photos. Do you watch The Bachelor? Not anymore. Are you familiar with Hannah Brown? Yeah, I'm familiar with Hannah Brown. Okay.

So this was- You say that like you know Hannah Brown? No, no, no no no no i don't know hannah brown okay well a little backstory her now sister-in-law is what the ex of her ex fiance so the guy she got engaged to on the bachelor jed was dating hayley while he was falling in love with hannah yeah So it was a big conspiracy. Yeah. Scandal.

Whoa. Yeah. And then they broke up and then the same girl Haley is now married to Hannah Brown's brother. Yeah. And they don't follow each other on the gram. They do not follow each other on Instagram at all. And I thought it was interesting. I'm obsessed with the story.

Yeah. See, you are too now. Yeah. Yeah. That's insane. So Haley posts this on her story yesterday hayley full families here's hayley and the brother all right that's on the left brown yeah okay hannah and her boyfriend and her boyfriend okay great family photo you want to

see what hannah posted just the four oh just the four of them. There is no sister to be seen. She hates her. Is that the brother? That's her boyfriend. She asked the brother and the girlfriend. They did the family photo. I just want to get one with me. Mom and dad. She opted to post that one.

That's so awkward. I will say for Hannah's sake, she does look better. The lighting. Her hair is the mean, her hair is the wind in her hair. It could potentially be because she looks better. I'm teaming Hannah Brown on

this one. I would, I mean, eventually she might have to accept the fact that it's her sister-in-law. At this point, they're married. They've gone through the whole wedding. They still don't follow each other. You might have to come around, Hannah. When would the follow happen? If it hasn't happened yet when would it happen when they have kids because she wants auntie content maybe that's when i think if now if not now when that's

my answer to that question but i don't know that that is coming i bet kids were probably around the corner probably we'll have to i mean like do you think hannah roundwood is in the running for godmother? No. Who knows? I love messy family stuff. So no follow. No follow. I checked both of them. They both follow you.

So there you go. Oh, you're the great equalizer. You should mediate that. Do a close friend story that's just the two of them. Oh my God, genius. Wait, yeah, do that. Only have the two of them on your close friends and then be like ladies if you see this come on the show should i do that yeah i think it'd be funny just them and harry styles the close friends list i don't really post the close friends will

that like will that push my story to the top of like their you know if you follow like a thousand people i think so i think so i think so I feel like I see a little green circle first, usually. Yeah. If I see someone putting me in close friends, I feel so honored. I actually end up watching the story. But is it usually like an actual like tea? So I do a close friend. I feel like it's usually just parties.

A video message, close friend. I was speaking directly to Hannah and Haley, inviting them on the podcast to talk about the family dynamic. Yeah. Yeah. What if they both don't respond? They're definitely not going to respond. We have no hopes of that. Because it's not even like you're DMing them.

It's just a story for close friends. They watched it on mute, so they actually had no idea what it was. You have to make it a multi-parter so we can see if they actually watched both or if it was like an immediate swipe. Wait, stop what you're doing. Haley, Hannah, hear me out. And I'll put Harry Styles in the close friends. Does Harry Styles follow you? No.

Okay. But maybe if he's lurking. He did start a DM group chat with him. No way. To talk about Love him no way I started a DM did he respond? he follows daddy issues we've talked in the DMs before in a friendly way obviously

that's amazing that's pretty cool that's awesome good for you I love that that's my flex that's pretty good what for you good for you i love that that's my flag it's pretty good what did you guys talk about um could you read the message no i don't watch um we talked about because i randomly had a random dream about harry i didn't realize i dm'd him because i was like mid-dream and i had a dream where i made a game of thrones joke and he

didn't get it and i was like what a loser so i had to break up with him so i ran this is the dream yeah so mid-dream i dm him and i was like hey it's funny story i just had a dream that we were dating but then you didn't get my game of thrones joke so i had to break up with you lol that's all something like that and then i like wake up and i see a dm back from harry styles and i was just like wait did i actually dm this guy so that i look and he's like haha that's so funny um yeah that that makes sense why we would divorce uh hope all is well hope you're good something like that and i was like are we friends did i miss something so that was really nice yeah that's the coolest thing anyone's ever said on the show. Thank you.

Yeah. He's just like a really nice guy. I'm jealous. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe Violet can get you, get you then. Could you? I don't, I don't think so.

I'm, I'm scared to ever DM him again. So what if he unfollows me? Yeah. You don't want to. Yeah. So I was just like, that was enough for me. I was like, oh, cool. Okay.

Yeah. Nice person. Hopefully he doesn't unfollow you after hearing this story. I don't think so. It doesn't give me that vibe he could who knows one time i posted something that i like i would be in dms with this girl emma um emma roberts and everything was fine between us and then i randomly posted a meme that i thought was funny but it had to do with her and in my caption i wrote lol i'm just kidding you know i love you'm up. Don't unfollow me after this. And she did. Immediate unfollow. Immediate unfollow.

Pretty funny. It was kind of embarrassing. I was like, okay, it's not that big of a deal. So then I felt embarrassed. So I changed my caption. Did she follow you back? No. No.

But it was at this point she unfollowed her. So it was this more, well. Yeah, she already did it. So it's like, fuck it. Yeah. It's true. I'm going to start posting photos and then be like, point she unfollowed her. So it was this more, well. Yeah, Cody did it. So it's like, fuck it, bro. Yeah, it's true. I'm going to start posting photos and then be like, don't unfollow me, Harry. People who never followed me to start with. And be like, go check my follower list.

I'm just kidding, Taylor Swift. Don't unfollow me. That's so funny. All right. Well, let's get into Love is Blind. I love walking places. I'm always a fan of no cars. Amanda needs to be walked.

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way i'm obsessed with love island that's why i said that sorry i didn't spend my whole time in bed watching love is blind that's our next thing we gotta tackle yeah it's just but it's so much there's so much and it's also i feel like it's also, I feel like there's so many customs and traditions. There's a like, you got to learn a lot to assimilate. But the lingo is so funny. It's so good. I got a text. I got a text.

I got a text. I'm just like grafting right now. I do think the British accent that is so requested of you, Ali, would be more welcome than ever. I'll do it. You can speak in a British accent this entire episode. Well, that doesn't make sense contextually. But if we covered Love Island, sure. Why does it have to make. I'll do it. I'll do it. You can speak in a various accent this entire episode. Well, that doesn't make sense contextually, but if we covered love Island, sure.

Why does it have to make sense? Let's demo it. Okay. Episode nine, episode nine, 10 days until the wedding. We start with Jackie and Marshall. They're having a little fight.

I fucking told you they're going to end up together. She loves that cauliflower ear with Josh. Yeah. He brought her roses. Okay. I will say from the start with jackie and marshall when they just moved into their place like when they just started to get together in mexico to moving into their apartment i said something's off with her because her

emotions did not make sense and not align with the situation and she was so high alert with emotions i was like oh she loves the drama. Because she, I felt like she would create it and Marshall would just put up with it, which I thought was where, I thought it was watching a telenovela. And I'm like, did I miss a chapter? Where is this?

It didn't make sense. Like, let's say there'd be no catch up. She'd be like, I can't do this right now. Like, there's no catch up. And you're like, whoa. So it just made sense that eventually she got this dramatic. Well, so she did have one post on Instagram that kind of provided context.

She posted this on March 27th. Right. Because she'd done an interview about how the fact that her father was sick. And so that was adding a lot of pressure. And her brother had just been released from prison. So she had a lot of people to take care of. Am I the only one? It's just like if there's something going on in your family,

your family member's sick or your dog's sick, who was it? Rambo. Rambo. Like, you don't get to use it as an excuse if you showed up

for the TV show. Period. I agree. I thought the same thing. If it's so bad that you need to be by your family member's side, you know,

and like, listen, I understand, what does he have? He has cancer. He, yes. My father at the time was fighting stage two, had a neck cancer, had a feeding tube in his stomach, had the back of his tongue removed

and had 11 cancerous lymph nodes removed from his neck a few months before I filmed the show. I come home every weekend to make sure I pay his bills, clean the house and make sure my father and mother are good. I felt guilty being happy and enjoying my time in Mexico because my family deserves time away. My mental breakdown in Mexico was all the emotions of being head of the house,

having my family depending on me and having the weight of my emotions and feelings all colliding at once. I will always take care of my father. Cancer will never take him from me. Okay. She had like 12 mental breakdowns. And then what was, did she write an explanation for each one?

But why if it was so bad, why did she come on the show? Yeah. I wonder if it's like she made a mistake, like she thought she could handle it. And then we're just watching like a choice that like should not have been made the way it was. And like the consequences of that. You've been on The Bachelor more than once.

Indeed. You can leave anytime you want. Is that correct? Yes. You're not held hostage okay yeah so if at any time you're like i this isn't good for my mental health i need to leave yeah you can go they could she could have left at any moment that's what i thought i do think sometimes to play like devil's advocate there's like a kind of not survivor's guilt but like the guilt of somebody

who is like healthy and well and who like must feel really pulled in a few different directions where on one hand like of course like you love your family you feel intensely guilty for not being there on the other hand like you know they want you to live your life to the fullest and to like take big opportunities but like why didn't she just say that on the show because clearly it's not like it's private information she has no problem sharing it yeah yeah and their fights were about the fact that he wouldn't hit her and during sex Yeah. She's like, you don't choke me enough. Yeah. Well, and also, I totally hear you.

And I was the first one to be like, she's going through it. And look how sweet he is to her in Mexico. But her not showing up for wedding dress shopping and not even having the decency to tell him and making Brett deliver the news to him as he's like shopping for his tux. Oh, she said the editing lied and that she didn't actually go see josh at the same time that she's like oh my god check what i'm wearing i was wearing something different wasn't the same day we broke up and then i saw josh i hate that shit because of course sure there i'm sure there was editing but to ali's point it wasn't edited that Marshall assumed that she would be at the dress pick

like fitting dress fitting while Marshall was at his and he in having to find out through Brad yeah and regardless of where she went when she went on the date with with Josh when they broke up like she said to to Marshall I had already met Josh she admitted to Marshall that she had a rendezvous with Josh prior to the breakup so like sure it wasn't at the exact same time yeah editing makes it look like it was simultaneously while he was at the dress fitting she was having a date with Marshall that's not why she looks like an asshole right it's because she didn't communicate about it like she would have been fully covered had she explained where she was coming from. Like, or have we gotten any kind of like context for her not being at the fitting that was communicated to her partner? But because she didn't ever talk to Marshall about it. It felt like day and night.

And I, somebody who's really into psychology in general, I was trying to better understand what happened to that personality. And I think it's also based on their attachment styles. Like looking at how she was drawn to Josh, he's a little toxic. That's what the relationship she's used to. She kept saying that to Marshall. Marshall's used to fixing people

because he accidentally blurred out saying something like, you look like a project and you have potential and I could fix you. I was like, oh, for fuck's sake. Like, you also should work on yourself because you're still attracting the same partner over and over again. That's why you attracted someone like Jackie, because he was hoping that this time the outcome will be different. This time he'll be able to fix this person versus going inside of himself and being like, why am I still chasing these people who will never stay? Totally. And it's also and I think it's like also a place of

when you date somebody who you know you have to fix, you don't have to feel as vulnerable in yourself about your own. Like you can kind of it's a way of almost cheating, falling in love with someone or falling fully because you've created the situation where you perceive yourself to have full control and where if it doesn't like if it goes wrong, it's because you picked someone who you knew it might go wrong with, as opposed to like you having the chance to do that. And also the hero and they depend on you. And what kind of like what like love feels so great when someone needs you. That feels amazing.

But these people, they're broken a little. They never stay. You know, you can't fix them if they don't want to be fixed. What did you guys think about their like final conversation about the rings and everything? Because she also posted about that. What did she say think about their final conversation about the rings and everything? Because she also posted about that. What did she say about the ring? I also think that whole conversation is kind of stupid because I'm assuming

I don't know how they do it on Love is Blind, but I'm assuming the ring is provided. And I'm assuming that there are some sort of contractual obligations when it comes to the ring. That if they're simply getting engaged for two weeks, they don't get to keep a ring. So they were both fighting over a ring that if they simply getting engaged for two weeks they don't get to keep a ring so they were both fighting over a ring that neither of them were going to be able to keep like for

example on the bachelor you have to i believe it's be together for two years if you stay together for two years if you break up for two years you get to keep the ring if you break up prior to two years you have to give it back oh Oh, like a little prenup. Yeah, exactly. And so certainly, you know, these two were engaged for a couple weeks. So like, I just don't understand why. I think they didn't know, I would say.

I don't think they probably, maybe they didn't read the fine print, but Jackie was like, I'm going to pawn this off. I'm going to sell this. I think it was, I think to your point, it was almost like it encapsulated both of their deficiencies again marshall is the he means really well and really wants to be a great guy and i'm sure someday will be a great partner but i do think he has some growing and maturing

to do and some self-reflection on you know not not trying to come across as great and just be great you know and being willing to let things go so to speak and so i think his pride was really hurt and so he wanted the ring back and he you know he that was his way of standing up for himself so to speak that was his hannah brown pedestal moment yeah is what he wanted and jackie was you know toxic jackie just being like no you gave it to me it's mine i what did she said some shit over like well when i i accept it was something along the lines of like when i accepted this proposal i thought it was going to be a thing so i deserve the ring what the fuck is that yeah when i took this ring i actually was interested in you even though i'm not anymore when i took it it, I was. So I got grandfathered in.

Yeah. Is this a hot take? But if in a heterosexual relationship, forget it, in any relationship, whoever presents the engagement ring, whoever invests money in the engagement ring, if you receive that gift and you end the relationship, if you don't give that ring back you suck you're you're a shitty person unless you got cheated on and you put up with the line you're like you know what at this point unless you got cheated on sure yeah if you if you break up with them because of infidelity i yeah or if they leave you sell that ring and you go to mexico if they like are like goodbye

but i'm saying your feelings changed and you break up with them or you like someone else or you move on, not because like they were toxic. I don't mean like you wanted to be in this relationship and they gave you no choice to break up with you. I mean like you decided to leave because your feelings changed somehow, then you suck.

I agree, but I do think that everyone has a different reality. So though our reality is that something's off with Jackie and she's in the wrong, to make herself feel better, I'm sure to justify her actions, she was just like, well, he made me feel this way and blah, blah, blah. And I felt this way in the beginning. So it makes sense. And that's why I should keep the ring. So her reality, I deserve the ring. Yeah, I'm sure.

I'm sure in Jackie's reality, she doesn't suck. But yeah, I'm just overwhelmed. And I'm not saying she's right for doing that at all. And like, cause at the very end, she says, maybe I need to work on myself. Like she says that in an ITM after she's broken up and it's like kind of a throwaway line. But I think that is hopefully the thesis of this breakup is she needs to work

on herself. I don't know. I looked at her Tik TOK and I didn't get that vibe. I love what she says. I don't, she's still saying, I don't know if I looked at her TikTok and I didn't get that vibe. I love what she says. I don't. She's still saying I don't know if I'm going to be with Josh. Is that her saying that in real time? Well, so this was what Violet was saying. It's her claiming that it was aired out of order and this didn't happen. She says Marshall and I were broken up before I saw Josh at the coffee shop.

But to your point, Nick, she literally mentioned seeing Josh in this conversation. So that's confusing. I'm wearing different clothes, my hair is styled different, and at the end of the video I say, I don't know if I'm going to be with Josh. I'm not sure what the reason is for playing the coffee shop date before the breakup, but to restate, Marshall and I were broken up before Josh and I had our coffee shop date.

Interesting though, she's saying they were broken up before the coffee shop date. She's not saying they were broken up before she saw him. They could have saw each other off camera. Either way, when she saw, saw when she broke with marshall she told marshall that she met up with josh yeah was she talking about the birthday party though where they first met each other yeah you're right that doesn't make sense no yeah it doesn't also keep in mind these people all live in the same city so like there's nothing stopping and and when she met up with josh that's an on-camera event obviously they're being filmed that was

staged it's set up these two could be like fucking sexting there's nothing stopping these two from like just they could have been fucking all night and then got ready like hey we got a scene to make today and then they he went and bought flowers. I mean, I don't know if that happened, but like, so maybe when she said that, regardless of what we saw or when it was aired and the timing, she literally said that she had seen Marshall before.

So she might be talking about this scene being filmed post breakup, which might be true. And maybe if she's asking, i don't know why the show showed it out of order probably because while they're filming it they're like this fucking chick says she met up with josh before the breakup so while we don't have that on camera we have this and it plays to what she said to be true right or her reality of what she thought was a breakup because again now that based on what you said it doesn't align when they're in the house having the argument she

says i went and saw josh if that when she saw josh was post breakup so maybe in her mind when he left the house for two three days because he wouldn't hit her while they were banging like that was a breakup for her you know yeah all jokes aside though like you're not man enough i want you to be more aggressive like what a emasculating thing to say on camera listen like i think it's fun to like in bed with your partner to be kinky and push boundaries and have your safe words and shit but you just she didn't say that to be constructive she said that to hurt him

yeah you know cause she could've said hey like babe you know just like I think it's so hot when you lean into this

side of you whatever else she also didn't have to tell America she could've done that in private it's not the first time that someone kinda shamed

someone else in the bedroom on Love is Blind. It's a good point where there's maybe something about the nature of the show where because it's baked in that like they fall in love and then they have this physical connection. Like maybe they feel more entitled to talk about certain things that like most people would be like, this is very private. I'm not going to share this. Or they just know things are going to go viral. Like sometimes I sometimes when I see these comments on reality shows in general, my brain, I'm like, do they think this part is going to go viral. Like sometimes I see them in these comments and reality shows in general,

in my brain, I'm like, do they think this part is going to go viral? And that's why they said what they said. Yeah. Because I just watched the last season forever ago, obviously. And the last season, season three, it was the same thing where somebody, this girl left the guy on the altar, the guy with the blue eyes. It was really attractive. And she left him.

Zeneb and Cole. Yeah, Zeneb. And she gave a whole speech and i've watched her right before i came here and i was like whoa she could have literally said this in private oh yeah no she was definitely trying to but so jackie's friend uh allegedly leaked a group text between jackie and her friends at the time she broke up with marshall to be josh and apparently her text said quote he gives me vibes y'all. And I kind of hinted at that in my interview and all hell broke loose.

So I had to switch it up, but he for sure gives me vibes because he used to twerk on the bed. And I told him. No, when she says gives me vibes, it sounds like she is suggesting that he's gay. I think she, I think there's some homophobic.

Oh my god. What year is this? So now I told him to be more aggressive with me. He's hard but sometimes he can be sweet. One friend allegedly texted back twerk on the bed LMFAO Jackie good for you also for communicating how bad of a turn off that shit is what the hell. Jackie allegedly texted back. I'm sure he was like

fucking around like i doubt marshall was like i doubt marshall put on uh some sort of like striptease song and said hey babe i want to perform for you like that's how she's writing it she's acting like marshall was like the burlesque dancer at the boys bachelor party like snapping his gloves you know this is probably right after she's like i want you to be more goofy i want you to be more playful yeah then he goes and twerks and she's like ew ick yeah yeah she's like texting it to her friend while he's doing it totally like oh my god babe look at this that's so me and oh i think i saw on tiktok also people surfacing the video where when they all met each other in Mexico and she said one of the guys was kind of hot.

I forget who. Do you know who I'm talking about? Was it Brett maybe? Maybe Brett. And she's like, oh, damn, Brett's kind of fine. And then Marshall to be nice because he goes, what? And she goes, oh, he's kind of fine. He's like, yeah, babe, I told you.

Like, I would understand because I would do the same thing because, A, it's uncomfortable and inappropriate that my partner is saying another person's good looking so to kind of pretend that it's not hurting my feelings i'll be like yeah yeah i told you that like that not because i love eating vagina i just you know i'm just trying to be a cool partner yeah yeah yeah well it'll be a firework i'm obviously curious to see what happens at the finale. And we'll see. Excited about the possibility of having a few of these people on the show next week. Oh, that's exciting. I don't want to spoil anything.

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Because at this point, I'm confused. Why are you so in it? She might. She doesn't want to ruin the group. That's the vibe I'm getting as well. Micah and her friend are in, I think, their party phase. In their going out phase. And, you know, she doesn't want her friend to get married.

Yeah, it really rubbed me the wrong way when they were, the friends were meeting Paul. And one of the friends was kind of rude to Micah's partner, Paul. And then instead of Micah having Paul's back, because obviously they're entering a marriage soon. That's other half like that's a partnership instead she said well you should care i'm like for fuck's sake like come on that's this is i would be humiliated as the partner totally i didn't like that yeah you should have you alive it's so nerve-wracking to meet friends in that way like do we think that paul and micah are gonna say yes like

i feel so i think so they are you do yeah you really do i i think they have such friend energy like there was a point where she goes when they were with each other no it's all fake you don't did you buy this when they were saying goodbye to one another and they're like she goes okay well i love you like it was it was it seems so rehearsed or like what you when you say it because you have to say it like i'm a little stupid you've all been in love i don't know but like when you're have you been excited you've been excited about someone and so paul and and micah talk the words coming out of their mouth are i'm excited i'm in love we have so much fun together you're my best friend the words are all what they should be saying but how they say and their body

language delivery it doesn't fucking line up at all when you're like oh babe i fucking i love you i cannot wait to see you not like okay well i love you you know it's so i it it comes across as now i have to say this thing now not i want to say this thing and i can't help but say this thing and i can't i want to keep saying this thing they only say it when they're in these itms and it's just like i mean it's just more like i just it's not like i just oh man i don't i can't fucking explain it i just i just fucking love her, you know? Like, Jesus Christ. Well, Paul's a logical person.

I'm talking about Micah. Right. And Micah's not a logical person. Right. I want, if Micah, when Micah is in love, she is going to make no sense. It's going to just be oozing out of her, you know, so to speak. Not like awkwardly like, okay, well, I love you.

So do you think Micah is going gonna say no uh i don't know i just uh well paul with his speech about they have that based on the data i have i would accrue great risk well there's that one scene at the the preview is this like micah saying i want you to go first to paul yeah which to me if micah says no after that that's fucked that's fucked i think that might be just enough to get paul to say no i will say i miss what everyone else is i did look at tiktok and twitter and everything and so many people have their similar opinions to nick about micah and paul and i feel like i genuinely somehow miss that part because i don't see it because i think they're great but again sometimes i sometimes i want people to be happy so i kind of just overlook a lot of the red flag i think

they're nice i think they respect each other i think they genuinely see good traits in each other when they're saying nice things about each other it's like how you would it's like hey you know like we're not together we're not dating you know what i'm saying what but i spent so much together if i was in an interview and someone says like hey it's like tell me about violet benson say some nice things i could i could say nice things you know what i'm saying and so i'd be like oh violet she's like really smart and boy she's like motivated and she has this you know blah blah blah blah and dms harry styles yeah she's like oh my gosh she's like hanging out with she loves psychology yeah she loves psychology

and just like she's really articulated and she like she built her business from the ground up you know like i sound like micah talking about paul right just because she's saying words but like it for me it was that moment where i don't it was like a the next day and they're like okay well goodbye and they were just like okay is this where we say i love you and they kind of like looked around for cameras like is it now like that's the energy they're giving me they give me the energy of like two college students who've just graduated and moved to the same city and are like clinging to each other instead of really getting settled in the city because it feels like they have this kind of like codependent vibe of

I'm gonna miss you like I miss her so much I wish you were here right now and I think they are genuinely building something but I think it has probably like Micah to me seems like the girl who goes to Boyfriend Island and like renounces her citizenship to like other countries and I say that as someone who was definitely like very guilty of that at times of like i think maybe part of the reason shelby is so protective over her friend is because she's like i don't see you for six months at a time when you have a fucking boyfriend and so i wonder if this setting is just even though they don't yeah there's no there doesn't seem to be a lot of like passion there all the shit we're giving her friend her friend is probably in a way we're not we're definitely not giving her friend the benefit

of the doubt because the only other friend of Micah's that we are aware of is Irina horrible character witness not the best but maybe you're right maybe her friend's like I don't know like what are you doing don't marry a person

that you don't love. I will say. It's you like, respect, fine. Yeah. Tiffany, if I compare the relationship of Tiffany and Brett to Micah and Paul, then I definitely see your point of view where they have real love and a real connection. And just how they speak of each other. You can definitely know these two for sure are going to say yes to one another versus Micah and Paul. You're right.

Compared to those two, it seems like college love that they're going to, it's going to summer love that's going to fizzle out. Totally. Like, I feel like the rom-com starts when Micah breaks up with Paul in three years. Like, that's when we get like the interesting character arc. I got to say, lovely families, the families we've been able to meet, though. Yeah. Just like really all around.

Well, that's the thing. For the ones that we've gotten to meet if Micah and Paul say no Paul's mom's gonna be devastated you mean Micah's twin one and the same that's why I was like oh that makes sense that Paul's with Micah cause he's dating his mom's twin

doesn't mean it's okay I mean we know why Jackie's with Josh doesn't mean it's okay right you know right right right right but brett's brett's father and brother oh at the end i wanted to say his brother asked the question that we all like wanted him to ask which was like we want like no one wanted to comment on the beard and the hair and at the end he's like do you like my haircut and tiffany was so cute she was like of course i want everyone to like look and feel like themselves and it seemed like brett had given his brother shit for him but like what are

you doing that like the way he asked tiffany it was like so what do you think of my haircut like eat shit brett yeah she likes it it was, the family, his brother, his dad were lovely. Just good people. I mean, Brett and Tiffany, like, I don't know. I love them. Yeah, I can't think of anything bad. Definitely 10 out of 10 and they're definitely going to say yes to one another. And we had this in this

chunk of episodes, Tiffany getting overwhelmed and crying where I feel like they've just been so flawless. Their love story has just felt so removed of speed bumps but still so authentic and it was cool to see like tiffany kind of having a moment of overwhelm and breakdown and vulnerability and bread in a way that like her little breakdown made sense if anything it it just further confirmed that they are normal and well-rounded people because at some point despite their love

you needed one of these people to like show a little bit of like hey we're getting fucking married because it's regardless of how in love or how perfect they might be this is an insane to do a wedding in a week so just just the it just showed some like level-headedness and then they discuss the financial stuff kind a joking way, but I really appreciate how they discuss it in the kitchen and how Brett decided right away, when you can tell Tiffany was feeling uncomfortable in some sense, he was like, I don't mind if it's

50-50 or maybe 75% I take care of the bills. And they were making jokes about it, but I thought that was really sweet that he was reassuring her because she, I think, got nervous that she can't keep up with his lifestyle. Totally. She's like, $ also brett like i don't know i'm surprised i'm pointing this out but like i feel like brett further confirmed that he truly is like a very secure image emotionally mature man because when tiffany was breaking down that gave him an opportunity to be insecure

and get defensive and if nothing else tried to fix the situation he just listened he just sat there and soothed her he you know he did like what no guys fucking do not a solution was pitched not nothing he just sat there and just lit he just he just was there and i wouldn't even say that about myself i was just like take like wow fuck this is how you do it shit that's so funny i didn't even think about that i'm a solution person so that would be something i mean i sat there and i was just fully expecting like brett to be like oh fuck like in trying to like explain to her while this is going to be okay or or or like what what you know because like and every guy does this it's all well intentioned to like oh hey like this is why you shouldn't feel this way and this is why it's going to be okay

and like there's a time and a place for that but in the moment i've often many times throughout my life gotten plenty of notes that in that moment like to shut the fuck up and and like rub my back this is just yeah and just support me and just like acknowledge my frustration and and just be there and he did exactly that just a true 10 out of 10 incredible who else do you think is going to most likely say yes well let's this is a great segue into Kwame and Chelsea. Oh, boy. Because... You mean Alex and Chelsea?

Yeah, that's right. Oh, yeah? I said in last week's episode that I was going to bet $50,000 that there's no way that Kwame would get married to Chelsea. And I feel like I might be prepared. I might.

You're losing 50K. In this bet I didn't make in this. But yeah, I mean, I would have. I would have. I would have. I think if a different guy showed up at the wedding to marry Chelsea, she wouldn't notice because she's just ready to get married.

And she would still say yes. I think Chelsea is the ultimate pick me oh no i think she's ready for love i think we have different definitions of pick me right actually because i think what i think i in a certain frame of she just wants someone to choose her that is so important she's so ready to pick me i think pick me the way i use it or know of it is much more of someone who is kind of being a little inauthentic to themselves in a way of trying to be like the cool girl who's more desirable to men so like no let's get wings and watch football like I don't care like uh girls are so much drama like

that's right like she would move in with him to where he lives if she was more of a picnic yeah I guess that's not I mean Chelsea is who she is she seems to have a very unique and wonderful personality but yeah she doesn't seem to but what do you then what do we what do we call someone that despite their partner seemingly looking like they hate them always constantly and has a way of like ignoring what seems to be right in your face and then spinning it into some delusional positive way that's marriage i think a lot of women have i think a lot of people what do you call that have been delusion it just when you love love so much when you feel like you're ready for love you don't care who's standing right in front of you it's kind of

like i love you so much and they're not even there like one time when i was so ready to date i was dating this guy and we kind of i kind of broke up with him and then i changed my mind i was like i'm sorry can we start over and he said sure and then that whole week i would text him like oh my god i can't wait to see you again blah blah and it took me a week to realize that guy was ghosting me like he wasn't even responding to me and i had no idea because i was just ready for us to date that i would just get back to work and i'll be working and then again i'd be like hope to see you soon and then a week later i'm like i look at my text i'm like oh shit it's just me texting the guy like he hasn't even responded to me i i think if if these two end up getting married it is not for love because like i'm sorry like and i'm curious i hope they address this at the reunion because

you you cannot edit all of this you can't edit his his body language he's just constantly annoyed and i'm sure that kwame's in his head that would be understandable for him to be in his head and be like i can't believe i'm doing this but like shouldn't that tell you that you shouldn't do this you know and then you got Chelsea just- Force feeding you strawberries. No matter what, no matter what happens, she's just decided that she's going to marry Kwame. Yeah.

It won't, literally he could do anything and she's just gonna find a way to still marry Kwame because she decided way back when that he was perfect and nothing he could do could change that which is nuts i guess i mean if kwame gets married to chelsea it's because i think i think it's for tv i do yeah you know she wrote her vows like years ago and the vows can definitely match for anyone yeah also can we talk about the fact that he was like i will say something i didn't write it down because i didn't know how i'd feel in the moment but i'll tell you how i feel now like if someone did that to me oh my god if someone did that to

me at the altar i would pick up my dress and take my honeymoon alone it was a pretty good it was a pretty good speech though yeah and i it's funny but it was and all it was it was a speech again though on paper there's on paper it's, I didn't write down what I had to say because I knew that there will never be a time where I can't look you in the eye and tell you exactly why I love you. On paper, I made it the way Kwame said it. That's what I said.

And then I got a bunch of people, I had a bunch of people in my DMs being like, you know, like, well, that speech kind of maybe changed my point of view. I'm like, it didn't change my point of view. Like anyone can give a speech. I want to see how you interact and how you look at her and

how you you know like lovingly or not lovingly he just looked fucking annoyed at her always everything she did disgusted him yeah and i think he's just like i think he just committed to marrying her you know and he showed up to the boudoir shoot that's been her childhood dream which is so weird first thing that she's he said was maybe we can just start with what we have on maybe we can just wear our clothes yeah he's just like you know sure did not every need someone who's zach level committed honestly not zach himself but she is so vulnerable the way she is so earnest and sentimental it is like it is so rare in reality TV. And it is sometimes really cringe for me. But I give her a lot of credit for like

going all in and doing something that is so unappreciated or like just right for criticism in today's day and age of just being like really honest and eager and excited to do something. And again, not saying I am on the same page with like the areas that she's excited, but she's like unabashedly sentimental. And it's areas like that where you need someone, you need a partner who's like ready to jump in with you and make you not feel stupid for wanting this. If they do get married,

it's because they both decided that they're going to do this regardless. Right. Chelsea, for delusion, of just really wanting to get married and just like, this is it and this I want this and Kwame because he already said he was gonna do it he told himself he's gonna do it and he's committed to this Chelsea reminds me of those TikToks that I've seen of that one girl

that's uh the girl that is delusional and she's like and then like me and my boyfriend like he got me a bunch of fries and he's like do you want ketchup with and my boyfriend, like he got me a bunch of fries. And he's like, do you want ketchup with that? And I was like, the fact that, you know, I like ketchup with my fries. Like you see me like you see me. That is Chelsea. It's just like, you know, he he got me a robe when I got out of the shower and it was the most romantic thing ever. And it's just like, I mean, yeah, that was nice. Like he got me water.

He could be a piece of shit for five years because he sorted her laundry once. Yes. Yeah. Yep. And like, yeah. I don't. So do you guys think they're going to say yes?

I think Kwame's in it for fame. And I think he knows that he'll get more Instagram followers if he says yes. Ew. But also, can we talk about his drunken rant? He's like, fuck Seattle. This is the Lamar Odom. I kind of love that. I kind of love that.

I kind of love that. That was great. That was great. And he's got a point because I've been to Seattle once. It was fine. It was fine. But like, I ain't paying New York prices like there's it's really expensive. I haven't been.

Seattle's really expensive. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. It's up there with like San Francisco and New York because of, you know, Microsoft and Amazon. Like just there's just so much wealth in that area. But this is why we are supposed to do what the show says they do, which is cast people

in the same city. And here we got Micah in Arizona and Kwame in Portland. They casted, I think, three people that are not from Seattle. Now, is Micah... She splits her time, she said. I'm sorry, culturally, she is from Arizona. I heard Micah works for Salesforce. We've discovered that.

Is that you? Well, no, that was last episode when we did a LinkedIn dive. Yeah, that's right. I think Chelsea makes good money. I think Chelsea may make better money than Kwame. Yeah. Well, his apartment. I have a technical question.

Did you see how many clamps she had on her dress when she was trying it on? She needed that completely altered or in a different size, which is typical. And it takes months. How did she get that dress in less than a week? TV show. Right. Yeah. I have so many questions.

Things only take months when you're not willing to pay extra. For example, today, I'm going to questions. Things only take months when you're not willing to pay extra. For example, today I'm going to go to get these new jeans tailored. And I'm an impatient man. And usually when you're going to get them tailored, they're like, that'll be a week. When I go to get a tailor, I say, how much will it cost me to get these back later today? Whoa. And eventually they give me a price.

Everything has a price. Everything has a price. you're already 50k out from your bet well might need to do some penny pension i'm just saying you know like if you're willing to pay for it you can get it done okay but one thing i think we are ignoring about the fact with kwame is that his mom is against this so i do think it seems that the way he was raised and when he seems like a religious man as well no he's not his family is oh okay they were giving him shit about like he hasn't been to church and by the way another wonderful family his brother and sister just truly delightful and it's amazing how you can

see someone in a completely different light after seeing their family on reality tv a thousand percent because like obviously there is the edit and you know maybe i just wouldn't make sense that they are that's why i'm saying like i just don't think kwame could be like yeah they were just or even chelsea because i'm i could picture chelsea at the reunion saying there were so many like wonderful moments that for whatever reason you guys didn't get to see and that might be true but these moments of kwame just constantly rolling his eyes she would say there were so many wonderful moments happening

that you guys didn't get to see that were happening in my head yeah literally that's more literally I'm gonna guess that I think if Kwame and Chelsea are together and let's say they're still together at the reunion whenever they do break up I want to do the Chelsea interview

because I hope you do because I want to do the Chelsea interview. Because. I hope you do. Because I imagine at some point, Chelsea will wake up. And I want to know what she has to think about watching all this back. If you're Chelsea's dad, again, another sweet man. That moment when she's walking down the aisle

and he was just like saying, you know, you're going to be a great wife and all this. It's just so wonderful. Like if you're Chelsea's dad watching this shit back, how do you look at this and go, I don't think he loves you. Like, this is not.

Yeah. And not to mention, freaking the Micah and Kwame in the pool and just like, that's chemistry. Literally. And I'm not saying, you know, and we know how I feel about chemistry. It's not the end all be all,

but like, it's definitely something you want in a marriage especially when you've met each other 20 days ago yeah and you probably still want that chemistry to be there try to make it work seems like he accidentally bagged on accident a woman similar in some ways to his mother well he's more attracted to women the opposite of his mother, which is Micah. Maybe. Yeah. I did think that was one of his more redeeming moments. The explanation of my mom raised me. She is so important to me when Chelsea would kind of push back or, you know, ask some very valid questions about the altar they're about to stand at. And he would say she raised me. She is important to me.

But then he didn't follow through with that. And so it was hard because I was getting a glimpse of this moment where it's maybe this is the person who chelsea can say yes he's such a good man like that's why i love him so much and why i overlook all these things is because he has this like conviction or he has this respect or empathy or sensitivity whatever it is is how i was feeling when he started his speech but then he it seems like he doesn't actually follow through with it i think that's how it was. It was a good speech. It was a good speech. Wait, Kwame, have we actually met all of his best friends

or the people that are his room men is that just people from the show? No, but I think they're his friends. I think those were his friends. His friends showed up for The Bachelor. He did have to pull in a pod mate for the suit fitting.

I think I said this last season, but like, and I know they had the strippers or whatever, you know, but- Sing and I know they had the strippers or whatever, you know, but I. Singular. Uno.

Stripper. I want them to go big for this bachelor party, bachelorette party. I want them to put these people in truly tempting scenarios. Not these like bars. That they've rented out. They rented out that are empty and they have like a room full of dudes with no energy and no vibe. And then they bring this like one stripper. It's like, okay. She's a burlesque dancer. She's literally doing like a room full of dudes with no energy and no vibe and then they bring this like one

stripper it's like okay like she's in a full dress no i want them going to fucking vegas and i want a whole weekend of drugs and rock and roll and i want them going to the clubs and i want them to get fucking sauced it wouldn't be that hard to get like a 30 second clip of like imagine kwame they're in vegas they're at a nightclub and like all the girls and they're at a pool party and then like they see the cameras and clearly they're going to get attention from people so they have all these girls like sign a waiver you know to like whatever and all of a sudden kwame's like drinking like rubbing up on someone's leg and shit and maybe doesn't even have sex with her but like how hard could it be to put these guys in far more tempting scenarios or in the women i do agree with that because especially because that's kind of what's going

to happen for everyone after post show the menu game followers and you are on tv you are going to get more people in your dms so it is kind of a realistic thing yeah they have these kind of really pathetic bachelor parties that make you want to go home at like 10 30 you know like all right well i guess gotta be in bed by 10 30 i'm getting married tomorrow it's like we're the weak sauce i want i want we need to do it up the stakes before the week before yeah and it's like a vegas trip or whatever and they're really thrown into you know yeah that would show people's true colors and then I kind of from a production standpoint it can't be that

hard to do no no I agree with you I think they're probably scared of what would actually happen like there was no weddings the next day yeah oh Brett wasn't gonna do shit it's it's it was gonna be it was all Kwame would... They would do some shots.

Zach would just be in the corner. Yeah. Paul wouldn't do anything either. Zach and Paul... Paul was wearing glasses. Zach and Paul would be like playing Dungeons and Dragons. Yeah.

Yeah. And having a great time with it. Like doing like a color me mine owl situation. I mean, Paul's personality is definitely similar to mine. So I think that's why I like the guy. Like I'm also a very logical person and my hobbies include things like that so

yeah i think that's why i was in a way rooting for them no i like paul he's a sweet soul and i think he's got good character and i don't think he would be but you know kwame's charismatic and he's a bit of a fuck boy you know and i just and he doesn't like chelsea at all yeah he might i'm sure he's convinced himself he loves chelsea but he doesn't like her he hates her he doesn't want to be around her he doesn't want to spend time with her he doesn't want to do anything with her i mean imagine marrying someone like that i know they have nothing in common especially when she is someone who is so she says that herself i'm very extra i'm very myself so it's someone who's plugging their nose at your personality

when you pride yourself on having so much of it and showing it so frequently. It's brutal. The only reason I, other than fame for Kwame, the only reason I can think of why he's saying yes is that it wouldn't shock me if Chelsea is an extremely generous lover.

Well, because she's also obsessed with him. That's what I'm saying. I think she's just, like, I think she's she looks athletic. I just she just, like, I bet she's just kind of down for whatever and she's probably really good in bed. And Kwame's just like, I mean, the fact that he was like, I already have

a running trail where I live, so I can't really give that up. Oh, and he, like, won't stop talking about it. We haven't seen a moment. We haven't seen a moment. We haven't seen a single moment of Kwame looking like he likes or cares about Chelsea. All we have seen is just utter disdain from this man. So I'm just trying to figure out what it is that is going to make this guy say yes, which it seems like a lot of people, I don't know whether it's spoilers that they've seen or whatever, or just his speech.

All signs are pointing to us being very surprised about Kwame and Chelsea. I think he's going to say no. And if he says yes, the divorce is happening like within months because he cheated on her. Oh, I'm like, if nothing else, Kwame is sending us up for a potentially slam dunk interview with chelsea and i and i'm chelsea deserves someone like all of us do to like that loves her and sees her and like she's such a great partner looks yes she's willing to truly that's the thing she's willing to be an amazing partner to whoever loves her the way she wants to love someone and it ain't kwame you know just because like one speech after three weeks in front of an audience is not enough yeah

you know it's just not like every week he whips out a guitar or like makes it oh my god that's how you okay i forgot about that part that killed me when she's like and then kwame he's just so talented and when she said that and then theyame he's just so talented and when she said that and then they played back him playing the guitar and i'm like bro are we watching and listening to the same person like i was so i'm deaf in one ear and i was wishing i was fully deaf when i listened to him play i was like i wish i was just fully deaf at this point no she won't stop talking about how hot he is how successful he is how. Like, yeah, she's obsessed. What do we think of Zach and Bliss?

Oh, because it was very, I think, insightful to see. First of all, Bliss's mom. Sweet. Again, wonderful family. A sweet soul. I like to see that kind of like raw emotion is so beautiful. And I do think, yeah, you're right. Love is blind.

I'll be your mom. Amazing. Oh, my gosh. If my daughter chooses you. I'll be your mom amazing oh my gosh if my daughter chooses you i'll be your mom oh my god i know what do you think you think they're gonna say yes oh yeah i think they're gonna i think bliss is a good match too you think bliss is gonna say if anyone says no it's i think it'll be bliss yeah if he says no he's no he can't say he's not He can't. He's already fucked up. Okay. It's so silly, but I went on everyone's TikToks to kind of get a vibe.

And Zach looks so different. Oh, my gosh. Than what he did on the show. He does look like a man who had his heart broken. Yes. That's why I think she's going to say no. Did you see his video of him saying, I never claimed that I wrote this song. Yes.

They cut out the part where he like credits the band and that he just changed around some lyrics. But even in that video where he's explaining that, I was like, whoa, Zachary,

what happened? Alternate explanation. Okay. You know, love is blind. Like Zach. Happy and comfortable. Zach himself,

funny guy when he, him and uh bliss met and she made a joke about like and he's just like surprise i'm not good looking you know like zach made a joke about that you know uh i i think irena was far too harsh i think zach is a fine looking guy i think he has a really unique face but he's not bread pit whatever but what if love is really blind for for bliss and she truly loves Zach soul and like as far as how he looks she's like whatever about it and then they get married and as soon as they get married bliss is like I think she grew a beard

he grew a beard a lot of ladies like the beard Natalie Luggs prefers the beard on me but maybe she was like no no just keep growing it you know and she just wanted to like hide the face behind the beard maybe that's maybe that's why right and then she's like i think you should stop showering i think you should stop brushing your hair it just looks so much better and that's why he looks that way he definitely has like depression hair and beard going on and a belly now also yeah he does look like he gained a little it's it's not love way because love way you still look like you want to brush your hair in the morning like her his love weight is more somebody dumped me and now i got rejected by two women also we didn't talk about uh zach's painting that he commissioned zach has two white owls holding a samurai sword and then he also has a samurai sword in his apartment which is so this man larps you know that

what's live action role play it's like reenactments it's kind of in the genre of like dungeons and dragons i i think maybe lerping i'm not super connected to the larping community so maybe they can tell me if they derek what I just know it's always in parks. Yes, it's like when you go to a park and you see people doing a battle reenactment of like, but they're wizards and they have their staff. Oh my god, I would go to that. It seems like they're having the time of their life.

Zach has a sword in his apartment. And then he commissioned some art and said, I want two white owls fighting over a sword. Well, you know how your fashion theory about men, that men at some point in their life freeze their fashion sense. Yes. I wonder if it's kind of similar with a certain kind of amusement or like nerd out because

some men trains are the first one. Every young boy I've ever met has had a train phase and some people, a few people keep it. I feel like the swords is kind of like the next one i think have people dropping off dropping off at each standpoint and i think i think space is a pretty high one that i found recently well i think he's he may be a little stuck in his childhood because he probably didn't fully get to have a childhood i think that is part of it totally like for example i didn't really have a good relationship with my father growing up. And my dad one time gave me a dragon.

And then it just became my obsession. And I've collected dragons ever since. And I still do. You're like, sorry. You guys are like trying to gossip. Well, actually. No, it's a good point, though, to add some humanity to it. What do we think of Bliss's dad?

He's correct. He has a lot of good points. If you're not doing what Bliss's dad did, you're doing it wrong. Yeah. His delivery might have been a little off, but I always empathize with parents in these situations. Why does his dad have to put on this good face, so to speak? Why can't he show up and have the body language of,

this is fucked up. This is crazy. He ultimately said, hey, listen, you're an adult. And basically what he was saying is, do what you want, but don't pretend you're not making a crazy decision. Like I always say, if you want to be the exception to the rule, go ahead. Try to be the exception to the rule. Just don't pretend want to if you want to be the exception to rule go ahead try to be the exception to rule just don't pretend that you're not trying to be the exception to the rule you know go nuts swing big do whatever you want but don't be delusional

and and say this is normal don't don't act like there's not a huge risk that you're taking don't pretend that in two months that like everything could change don't say you know everything you need to know about these two about this person because that's all bullshit and that's what her dad was saying because you know and i i loved how brit you know like the thing that's that doesn't track with zach what what is a red flag and bliss picked up on it is like zach was like well i just decided i was going to do this kind of like what we're saying kwame and it's just like well are you marrying me because you love me or you marry me because you decided you're going to do this i think because zach is

giving this energy of i'm often this pragmatic person who overthinks things so i decided to do this experiment and i just said fuck it i'm gonna i'm gonna get married to someone so he got fell in love with irena got engaged and that didn't work out. So it immediately pivoted to Bliss. Now I see what I don't see in Chelsea and Kwame. I do see in Zach and Bliss. I see a real connection. I see two people who have, in addition to chemistry, I don't even know if I even see so much chemistry. I see compatibility. I see two people who get each other, who respect each other, who are on the same page, who can grow old and ugly together and still have a good time and speak the same language like they're both like reserved in a similar way they're both like their attention to detail comes out for both right but

it does bother me a little that this is only because irena was so repulsed by him like if irena was kind of down he wouldn't be sitting there and be like did i make a mistake he would have went along with it and because she didn't want him he was like well like he's made a comment saying like by the second day i was done with her no you weren't you were still she has a good point like if if if arena pulled a kwame so to speak right and just said all right that's not my guy but fame whatever i don't want to buy out and she just faked it for a while and she sold it a little a little better than she did with zach and was nice and played and played a wrong long and like even kissed him but i think you're right there's a chance that zach might have just kept

going because he had that narrative with her of she's so amazing and people don't see it people only see this like steely exterior but i know who she really is and she's good so he could excuse endless amounts of bad behavior like i love how she makes me feel the girl forgets his birthday the other one made some cupcakes and he was like no thank you i mean i had to literally say you look like a cartoon character and refuse to kiss him she had to be truly terrible to him. There's definitely some red flags with Zach's decision-making tree, so to speak. But ironically, I do see the compatibility. Zach and Chelsea should get together

because they're both ready for anyone in front of them. Those two should walk down the aisle. They would be right for each other. Zach would do a boudoir shoot with his sword. That's what I'm saying. You know he would. He would show up passionately he's naked the sword is covering his dick chelsea's behind him like it's like some mythical game of thrones theme and they do a couple where she's like almost cutting it off and zach's like yeah yeah exactly i think i think they

would be good together i think that's something I do forget about this show of the context of it is fucking exhausting being single and why how people are incentivized to hope this experiment pays off of like these people are sick of fucking dating. Online dating is exhausting and tiring and makes so many people feel like defective and bored and disillusioned. And you show up in the situation where you might get a marriage out of it like I think that's something that obviously we know that but I forget it a lot when I think about their decision making on the tv show yeah and also one thing like my friend Francesco's been on enough reality tv she kind of told me how it's that feeling of knowing that other people on the outside are rooting for you and they're kind of putting you two together that also in a weird way kind of hypes you up and makes you want your love story to work it's impossible not to wonder how you'll be received or the yeah it's it's hard it's it's

it's impossible not to let the outside pressures impact your decision even if you have every desire to be genuine with your decisions like it's just you don't you you at best you don't know how to kind of know what percentage is which yeah like your love fairy tale gets to be on tv like i can understand for me that's what i think of chelsea just whoa this whole love fairy tale gets to be documented on tv and i finally got the partner like my prince like you are my prince. And he's like, stop talking to me. She's like, he always says that.

He's so funny like that. He gets me. Yeah, he gets me. We joke like that. Like literally it was what was it? The comment? I think it was with her family and they were talking about the pink and he goes, yeah, and you don't even drink coffee.

So I guess you just got that to sit on there because it was pink like her coffee maker and she was like oh my god he knows me and i think listen to this woman she just went on a tirade a few episodes ago about how vulnerable it is to lean into pink decor because she felt like she couldn't say what she actually wanted in her relationship like yeah it might seem small to you but she has made it a thing for herself and as a partner you need to listen i'm in oh would you want to make your wedding bands like oh yeah would you want to do that i think it was cute yeah you know who does zach they did not look they did not look uh good yeah i don't they didn't no they but they looked like two people

tried to make rings for the first time. That's exactly how they looked. There's just no way that was the finished product. Okay, I feel so lame because I feel like no one has mentioned this and I feel embarrassed mentioning this because I don't want to be made fun of. But I did look up everyone's zodiac signs. What did you learn?

Tell us more. Okay, sorry, not to be lame. You're not being lame. Some people listening to this are like thank fucking god someone's finally saying it all right well tiffany is a sag brett's a scorpio what does that mean so well scorpios they're listeners they're calm and uh sagittarius uh yeah brett's uh that makes sense so kind of made sense how he's so calm and he's a listener and he he he's a slow burner it takes time for him to figure out do i love this person do i not but then he's so calm and he's a listener and he he he's a slow burner it takes time for him

to figure out do i love this person do i not but then he's in it forever and he's loyal and then tiffany's a sag they can have their emotions and all that and they love to be independent so does scorpio so in some ways they can be a match micah and paul micah is i love it i love it this is amazing okay micah is a pisces paul's a libra they tend they're not supposed to be a match but it's the most common match of libra and pisces for some reason because they're the in the beginning they seem similar but they're actually complete opposites and a lot of times in relationships end up not working out in the end because of how different they are like uh libras are more you know libr, they're more free and they love freedom.

And Pisces, they're more emotional and they just end up being a lot different. So a lot of times end up not working out, but it is very common for Pisces and Libras to get together. Chelsea and Kwame, Chelsea's a Taurus, Kwame's an Aries. So Aries, they are impulsive so they make decisions not thinking about it and then they kind of try to get through it eventually they get sick of it

and they run so that's why i'm like i don't know this is gonna work out taurus women stubborn as hell but very good women my mom's a taurus my mom's a taurus so stubborn in the fact that chelsea has decided i'm gonna do this no matter what and it's happening it's happening sheer force of will gonna make it yeah so the sag and the scorpio and the taurus and the aries again not really meant to be compatible but a lot of times sibling quote unquote sibling zodiac signs end up dating because their other signs and their chart end up matching bliss is she okay i need to re-look it up i forgot the rest of those irena is a scorpio which is really humiliating and embarrassing for the rest of us scorpio women so we do not speak for her we do not align with her in any type of way as a scorpio woman

we have nothing in common and now let me let me look at the other one i think she's born september 30th okay and what is that i think he's an aries yes okay. Bliss is a Libra, I think. She's born September 30th. Okay, and what is that? I think he's an Aries. Yes. April 2nd. Okay, so Bliss is a Libra and Zach is an Aries, which is actually one of their opposite signs and they're one of the most compatible signs together.

Interesting. So that kind of makes sense. Yeah. What's August 31st? Virgo. How about Libras and Virgos? Are they compatible? This is just for me

yeah yeah totally they're not um oh well libra and virgo there's a sibling zodiac sign so again they can be compatible even if the sun is not compatible but then the way they love and the way they communicate and other things can be compatible thank god yeah and then marshall Thank God. Yeah. And then Marshall is a Virgo. And Jackie's a Capricorn. She does not act like a Capricorn whatsoever. Because Capricorn women, they know what they want. They're very stern. They're all about business and work.

And Virgo men, they tend to be. Couldn't we, though, couldn't you say that Jackie does know what she wants, which is why she's acting out, because she knows she doesn't want Marshall. Usually they don't you say that jackie does know what she wants which is why she's acting out because she knows she doesn't want marshall usually they don't move like that the way she's moving is in a way that she needs therapy not a boyfriend sure but like regardless of your sign i guess you're right she's very outspoken i would just think i mean like I thought she would be a fire sign a lot of us need therapy right or a lot of us have experienced trauma and regardless of our our sign

yeah it might I suppose that could I'm just saying like when you talk about these characteristics I could see you talking I could see that tracking with Jackie

you know like Jackie does seem like someone like she knows what she wants almost to a fault yeah you know and the fact that she knows she doesn't want marshall she knows she wants someone like josh and like despite like the pressures of a show and having trying to make this work like she tried to sabotage her marshall from the get you know what i'm saying so to me she knew what she wanted as soon as she saw Marshall. I guess you're right. You are making a good point.

I guess when I saw her, I thought she would be a fire sign. And then she ended up being a Capricorn, which is an Earth sign. Earth signs usually are the calmest. Okay, well, that doesn't try. Yeah, like supposed to be a little more grounded. Yeah, they're grounded. And a Virgo and a Capricorn should be perfect together. But again, it's just Zodiac signs.

It doesn't mean everything. So obviously you take these type of things with a grain of salt. But it was fun. It was fun to kind of see their personalities and understand why they got together supposedly. Yeah. So predictions.

Brett and Tiffany for sure. I'm going to say no on Paul and Micah. Kwame and Chelsea. brett and tiffany for sure yes i'm gonna say no i'm paul and marika micah call me and chelsea also i thought about this too is that this is the i'm not a love is blind historian but this is the first proposal and i feel like the first ones always say yes i think last last season the first proposal they said said no, didn't they? No, I don't think so. I think it was, who was it?

Brennan is the first to propose to Alexa. They're still in love. And they're a power couple, a stable power couple. Yeah, that was the first one. I love them. So the fact that they were first, I think I'm going to lose that $50,000 bet. I think Zach and Bliss, but I agree with you. If they don't, it's because Bliss says no. first i just i think i think i think i'm gonna lose that fifty thousand dollar bet i think zach and bliss but i agree with you if they don't it's because bliss says no i mean and she'd have every

right to and not because not zach's not amazing uh but like just like their relationship might be better off if it's like yeah if she because then it kind of evens the score a little bit whereas like as much as i'm sure she is not trying to hold it over his head that he chose irina originally and she wants to move on and be healthy there's got to be a part of your ego that just like always remembers one to zero and I could see like and there's another like well despite what SK did to Raven at the time I thought what SK and Raven did seemed to be most pragmatic it's like why why do we have to get married can't we just like date like can we just like see this through like that's a totally they they don't act like it's an option on the show but it's

obviously an option especially if you want to plan a wedding like i think part of the reason tiffany was so stressed is because she's actually planning a wedding here like she thinks she's going to marry this man in a real lifelong way and she's worried about the bridesmaids dresses because she actually wants her friends to be here versus like for other people it's yeah they might actually but it is crazy that they have to like that they do the whole wedding

and get the families there in the dress and so like that's a lot of pressure yeah yeah okay so how many yeses and how many no's

I'm gonna say one no Paul and Micah Paul and Micah I mean I don't that's the only no yeah they usually have more yeses than no's don't they usually have like one no

I don't know Bliss and Zach is what's on the fence for me yeah I agree with that I think Bliss says no based on Zach's TikTok he looks like Joe for you you're right about that yeah he's looking rough not in a good way not in a look i love someone and the one thing i will point out is that he has his he seems in good spirits though but that is him purposefully

filming a video that he knows will be like reposted a bunch of times because he's addressing something and that is still how he chose to look. Don't you think Zach is the type of guy who would get off on growing a beard and growing his hair out and looking disheveled to throw people off? I think I could picture Zach being the type of guy... He would play chess like that.

I think he's the type of guy who would realize that fans love spoilers and try to figure this shit out, and I could picture Zach doing things to try to trick people. That's a good point. Yeah, maybe. He seems like that guy he has that energy. I hope they are together. I genuinely root for them. What if Jackie and Marshall

end up saying yes? Wild. She doesn't have a dress. Maybe Josh and Jackie. No, I don't see that i don't think they end up dating i think jackie rejects josh i didn't they say they're together they were spotted out in march what like a month ago and that and like they start they they've been they've been done filming for a minute yeah because they felt they they shot this around the same time as season

three yeah wow they're just releasing them slowly so if they're still hanging out like it's that's something that's serious yeah okay so i think yes from tiffany and brett micah and paul yes chelsea and kwame no bliss and zach no jackie and marshall no irena with anyone no and Amber, I forgot about her. Amber's been, anything's gone. Yeah, she was really just relevant

for that one Chelsea's birthday party where she was like, hello. Oh. And then, no chemistry with Paul, like nothing.

Aw. She, Amber would be good on The Bachelor. Yeah, she would be. Why? She just,

I feel like she would have a lot of those clips on TikTok. She'd probably say a lot of things that people would be like, huh? She's been, what, married three times? Oh. Twice? Twice.

This is going to be her third, I think. This is going to be her third. I will say she has been very forgettable to me. So when I say Amber would be good, I actually don't actually remember much of what she's done or said. So maybe she would be good in the back. We like your hot takes. Yeah, she from the hip.

Yeah, it's fine. Yeah. Yeah. Chelsea would be good in the back. We like your hot takes. Yeah, shoot from the hip. Yeah, it's fine. Yeah. Yeah. Chelsea would be good in The Bachelorette. No. Okay. What do I know?

I don't know much. She would just throw herself head over heels. Chelsea gives me the same vibes of that other woman that was The Bachelorette and everyone was really upset. First of all, none of the guys are tall enough. There's that. They don't cast short kings. They don't? No.

No. Maybe with Mike Fleiss exiting the franchise, we'll see the rise of the short king. Finally get some short kings. Maybe. All five sevens

season of The Bachelor. They cast tall guys because they know that y'all are attracted to taller men in general and if they're trying to get two are attracted to taller men in general. And if they're trying to get two people to fall in love and in a short period of time, they want every advantage possible.

So they might as well cast tall people. My dad is one inch shorter than my mom and they're still together. My dad is a good inch shorter than my mom as well. I bet if you did a study of couples where heterosexual couples where the woman is taller than the man i bet they have a much higher success rate probably because that right off the bat it shows that there's probably a not as superficial as maybe other relationships and you know my mom said you know what they say about short men and what they like what they lack in height they make up in other places oh okay oh oh yeah my dad i'm not saying yeah it's uh she's like my dad fucks my dad fucks all right violet always great to be with you thank you for coming please

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You talk a lot about relationships too. Sorry, you're right. Relationships and mental health. I have a lot of loads of solo episodes as well where they kind of encourages women to love themselves before they love others and work on themselves. I love all that. It's a fun show.

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