The Viall Files - E568 Sandoval’s Interview, Girlbosstown’s Crisis PR, and Peter Madrigal’s Fake Friends

Episode Date: April 13, 2023

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All right, Tom Sandoval interview. We have an amazing episode for you coming up with Robin Del Monte, a.k.a. Girl Boss Town, and Peter from Vanderpump Rules. But we got done recording, and then the Tom episode with Howie Mandel came out, and literally thousands of you. I mean, I'm flattered that you guys want our take. And so we decided to do a little tack on to this episode that's already jam-packed with awesomeness.

But you wanted our reaction, so here they are. We were going to put a Behind Vile Files Plus on our Pop Culture Extra a bit. We wanted to give you a little preview of the type of amazing content you can come to expect behind Vile Files Plus. But anyways, let's get into the interview. Honestly, here's what I thought. High level. I thought it was really interesting.

I was captivated the whole time. Yeah. Howie got us the tea, so to speak. I know, let's address the Howie Mandel criticism. It's Howie Mandel. He's a comedian. He doesn't really give a shit. Who cares?

And I know a lot of people were like, well, Howie shouldn't be doing this interview. And listen, I would have loved to have done the interview. I wish I would have reached out. I literally reached out to Tom the day I found out Howie did the interview. But there's no guarantee Tom would have done an interview with me. He clearly has a rapport with Howie, they're friends, Howie created a safe space for Tom. And he got Tom to speak his truth and that gave us an opportunity to react to it, you know? And so we have no idea if Tom would have given us so much information and, you know, how we not have created a safe environment. Like, yeah, we can make fun of like Howie not knowing like all the details, but at the end of the day, Howie got the interview

and it was an interesting interview. And do we really expect that tom sandoval would have given more thoughtful or meaningful answers in a different space i mean at the end of the day we got tom's honest opinion and i think that's what's most important you know and his wonderful daughter jackie she's the brava historian she filled in the gaps that how he did it so like i don't think how he needs to be the target of anyone's kind of frustration yeah because it is i think they and they adjust us in the interview of this question of like why are people so fired up about this because we're all in agreeance like you fucked up you did something wrong but the level of like fire and passion about this like it's very interesting to consider why we have it interesting and i think how he made some good points i will say this before i get in the critique

you know listen like listening to the interview like i don't know i've never met tom it humanized him for me a little bit it ended with him saying he's in therapy. It ended with... And he's not drinking. He's not drinking. It ended with Howie saying, hey, it looks like you're hopefully using this to turn a corner in your life

and make some real changes. And Tom said, yeah, I mean, he's in therapy trying to work through it. I hope that Tom is serious about this but i have my doubts yeah and here's why so damning for the fact of him saying that they're still both in the same house having had kristen here saying that it's because he refuses to leave well sure they're basically roommates they're living in different bedrooms in the same house because he said he can't afford to go anywhere else but that's that's a. I mean, I might not agree with it, but he might literally not afford it. So do you really expect

Tom Sandoval to be homeless? I guess he could go live with Tom Schwartz. I agree he has options. But again, we're talking about Tom Sandoval here. For me, what really, you know, first of all, the interview started with what we expected, right? Tom kind of opening up, talking about his relationship with Ariana and basically, you know, describing how bad it was, right? We were disconnected. We were leading separate lives. She wasn't paying attention to the shit I was doing. We would travel separately. We weren't having any intimacy.

Yeah. And let's assume all that's true. Let's just take that at face value, right? And then, so then he would, you know, he would follow it up with, well, I know what to do with shitty. You know, it was shitty. Throughout the episode,

he seemingly quote unquote took accountability. Like he never tried to defend what he did but he did the whole classic thing of trying to dismantle the relationship with ariana so it was like the implied like what like there was no relationship there to save you know there was a part in the episode that he literally spoke for ariana saying that she's more upset about the relationship ending. Yes. Then the infidelity, the lies, the deceit, the embarrassment she might be feeling from him fucking one of her friends. Like maybe that's true.

I don't know. But that's that was a bold fucking statement for me. What really resonated with me, what really kind of made me confirm that this guy just doesn't really get it, it was the part where when Tom was talking about him breaking up with Ariana, right? And there were a couple instances where he gave examples of, he mentioned how he tried to break up with her two weeks earlier. he talked about how ariana made a couple comments that like didn't make sense like where uh he accused her saying something to the effect of i'm not gonna let you break up with me uh my life is essentially going to end if you do

yeah uh another uh later in the interview he made comments about after the breakup and i don't know i'm i'm a little confused about my timeline. I don't know if she knew about the affair at this point, but something about her freezing eggs or something like that. And he basically, and so to me, you know, he was talking about how he was basically calling Ariana crazy, right? Totally. And all I'm thinking in this moment is like, dude, like you just, you broke her heart.

You shattered her. You're right. She found out that you have been lying to her. You were fucking her friend. Like you clearly have never been heartbroken, Tom. Clearly you've never felt the type of pain and just absolute feeling, the feeling of being destroyed, you know, because like when that happens, you tend to say some shit that because like when that happens you tend to say some shit that's out of pocket you tend to say some crazy shit in the heat of the moment when you first find out that your world is crumbling down in front of you and instead of recognizing ariana's pain he decided to go on a podcast and then use it against her to basically imply that she's crazy and he used language like you know I was like scared because she was like not accepting it.

It's just like, you fucking shattered her heart, dude. And so to me, it's just, it's like, yeah, he took accountability. And yeah, he was like, you know, I was wrong. But like, we're talking about a 40 year old man. We're talking about a four year old man who has a history of doing this same very thing. So to me, it just sounded like a guy who was like, yeah, I'm sorry. It's fucked up. I'm not going to make excuse.

It's totally fucked up what I did. But at the end of the day, to me, what he did, what Tom did to Ariana is still an option for him to do in the future. You know what I'm saying? To me, fast forward two years, maybe it's with Raquel, maybe it's with someone else. But if Tom Sandoval is in another committed monogamous relationship that over a period of time has its ups and downs, and in a down period where two people are feeling are disconnected and no one's going either way to try to bring that relationship

back, for him, it's an option for him to feel disconnected from his partner, feel unloved, maybe feel unseen, maybe feel unnoticed or unvalidated. You know, this all happens in all committed relationships. And instead of, you know, sitting down with that person or just dealing with their shit, it's going to be an option for him to fuck someone else on the side. Because I just don't, you know what I'm saying? Because he came across as someone who really doesn't understand

just how devastating it could be to lie to someone. And the only thing that really bugged me about what Howie said, and Howie's going to be a guest, I think, early in May. And I can't, honestly, I can't wait to talk to him about this whole interview. But like, listen, like, you know, Howie kind of had this kind of attitude where like, you're not married, you don't have kids, you know, and Howie is married, he's older, he has kids. So maybe from Howie's perspective, it's just like, you know, if you're not married and you don't have kids, like it's not a real relationship. You know, a lot of people might agree with Howie on that front. But like Tom even said in the interview,

that as far as Arianna and him are concerned, they were life partners. For them, marriage isn't in the cards. Kids wasn't in the cards, so to speak, and certainly marriage. And so they kind of had this contract between the two. So for all accounts, they were life partners. So the whole argument of, well, we were disconnected or we were leading separate lives,

like, listen, like marriage is hard. Life partnering is hard. And you're gonna have have ups and downs. And you might have periods where you're not connected and it's both of your faults for not trying to reconnect and find each other. But that's not an excuse to go and fuck someone else and certainly your friend and lie and embarrass your partner behind their back. So to me, the whole interview, it just, again, it reaffirmed at the end of the day, he doesn't really care. And again, while it might have humanized him a little bit, I know people have gone around throwing words like narcissist and things like that. If you listen to the show, you know that I have... I think that words like narcissist,

words like abuser, words like gaslighter are wildly over... These are important words. They happen. There are real victims, but they're wildly overused and self-diagnosed by people who may not know what they're talking about. And just because you do cheat doesn't mean you're a narcissist. The thing is, there's a lot of people who do real shitty things like this. It's you know, it's not like half, a lot of fucking people cheat. Well, I don't know if Tom Sandoval's a narcissist. I just, to me, he clearly is a guy

who isn't that remorseful. He's not that sorry. He is definitely, like, do I think, do I hope that he uses this as a platform for change? Yes. Do I really think he's committed to doing that? No, I would not bend any amount of money that he actually is going to follow through.

I hope I'm wrong. But the fact, the way he talked about Ariana and her pain so kind of flippantly and so kind of like, and kind of weaponize it against her to make her sound crazy when what he should have done is use that as a way to like really understand just how much he hurt her. And the fact that she was saying out of pocket and kind of delusional things just only goes to show just how much he destroyed like her confidence, her self-worth and just and I'm sure in that moment her world was crumbling around her so to speak totally and I think they even addressed it at some point in a question where he was like what's the word I'm looking for and then Jackie was like context and I don't think that I think this

interview crossed a line from context to justifying like I think Tom was justifying it and I agree that it was humanizing and there were some points where he was like you know he said I fucked up which is more than I thought he was capable of for a while. But he did kind of go into this territory of really trying to explain why this behavior was sort of the only way he could have behaved at certain points when it's like, no, you always had choices. Yeah, I didn't expect Howie to ask this question. But like, you know, we talk about this with Robin in the episode. Like, I want to know why he cheated. That question wasn't addressed. Like, why did you cheat? Why did you choose to go about it this way instead of going about it, having tough conversations

with Ariana and sitting down? And he admitted to basically using couples therapy as a way to help break up with her. Well, that's the thing. He never just came right out and told her what happened. He was like, I plan to get us in therapy. I did couples therapy. Then we did individual. And it was like he was softening her up to break up with her on Valentine's Day without actually telling her the main reason why he's breaking up with her. I know a way he could have ended the relationship real fucking quick.

Be like, I've been fucking your friend for the past several months. Don't put her in therapy. Have her do the work. Clearly, he said there was a difference in their relationship. She started to see him. She started to see all these things. And then you're still planning on breaking up with her on Valentine's Day? Well, it's interesting.

If you're cheating on someone and you're going to break up with them, I could make the argument that maybe it's best not to tell them like you are gonna destroy just destroy someone i mean i think this is like an age-old debate and we don't have time to get into it but like if you're gonna end the relationship if you're already out like you could argue like what's the point of like hurting them even more by saying oh by the way i was fucking someone else for like a half a year so So the point is, so I don't mind that, but it's just more like, yeah, you were just going to keep lying to her and you were going to keep fucking someone else. Either way, it was just like, yeah, he just didn't seem like he really fully understood the damage he did to Ariana.

And in talking about how they had a separate life, he made it seem like it was all her fault. Like she was withholding and she was cold and she wouldn't have sex with him. And it's like she's an introvert. You're an extrovert. Fuck you. You did not talk about what it was like opening another restaurant. You mentioned briefly what it was like going on tour, but you did not go into any of the factors of the reasons you were probably a fucking madman with a crazy calendar that she was feeling really disconnected from you. You were probably a fucking madman with a crazy calendar that she was feeling really disconnected from you. At the beginning, you acknowledge very briefly that when she is depressed, she is someone who self isolates and is more like quiet.

And then later it felt like he tried to use at the end of the interview this idea that the friends who he goes to the birthday parties for. And he's the one who nurtures the relationships like that. They're choosing her side. And it's like, dude, you already said. I actually thought that was a really great part of the episode it has nothing to do with like what side i take because you know when tom was saying well like what's fucked up about like you know he was referring to cast you know the rest of the cast about all the podcasts they're doing and they've been graciously you know

coming on our show as well he's like you know i was more friends with them and maybe that's true like you know tom clearly seems he sold himself as the extrovert. He was always willing to show up to your party and have a good time. And Ariana's just not always in the mood. I relate more to Ariana. But regardless, cool, you're a fun time. And then Howie's just like, yeah, but they're not your friends. They're people you hang out with.

And honestly, that part right there that Howie talked about is so fucking on point he nailed that like it's true like how he said like listen man and for anyone listening you know like go back and listen that it's it's so fucking true like the older you get the more you realize that like you know there's people you hang out with and there's people you have fun with but they're not your friends not necessarily you know friends are the people who really show up in this time of need. Now, like, you know, Tom Schwartz, for example, is trying to be a friend to Sandoval. Like, how he's going about doing it, we have some notes, so to speak. But he at least is loyal.

I wish he would try to hold his friend a little bit more accountable and maybe not tell people, like, give him hugs. But either way, like, I have no problem with Tom Sandoval not abandoning. Or Tom Schwartz not abandoning Sandoval. Correct. But, like, you still have to hold him accountable, right? problem with Tom Sandoval not abandoning or Tom Schwartz not abandoning Sandoval. Correct. But like you still have to hold them accountable, right? And so, yeah, I think as far as friendships go, like

yeah, I think for Sandoval and Schwartz, like that's the thing. It's like they have made the mistake, I think, through life of prioritizing people who aren't their friends, you know? And people do it all the time because being a good friend isn't having a good time and keeping secrets. And that's what a lot of younger people

think friendship is. It's people they like to party with and people who are willing to keep their secret in exchange for keeping theirs because it's cheaper than therapy. And it's less vulnerable than going to therapy and really letting it out. So it's just like, hey, do you want to have a drink with me? Can I tell you some tea? Please don't tell anyone. And to make me feel safe, you're going to tell me something. That's not friendship. That's just convenience.

But I did like that part. I thought Howie nailed that line. But I don't know. Those are generally my thoughts. I'm not betting on Tom Sandoval to actually make real changes in his life. And it was that moment where he tried to low key, make us think that Ariana was crazy for how she handled the breakup. And I think that's just a really fucking shitty thing to do because when you like end a nine-year relationship or you fuck are fucking someone

you know your partner's friend behind their back or both and they find out in the heat of the moment they might say some fucking crazy shit they might say some insane shit because the pain has just like filled up their body and they they might feel in that moment like their life is going to end. And to take that moment of pain and then broadcast that out to the world as if she's the crazy one and you didn't know what to do, I think just confirms that honestly, maybe you're just a piece of shit.

And I don't know if the therapy that he's in is really good. I hope I'm wrong. I really hope I'm wrong at the end of the day that Tom really does feel bad and wants to be a better person and use this as a way to, again, find out why you cheated. Because it doesn't seem like Tom really is all that interested. You know what I'm saying? He doesn't seem disgusted with his actions. He didn't come in saying, honestly, I'm tired of being this type of person.

What I did disgust me. I have a hard time looking in the mirror and I have a hard time even accepting what I did. I am so broken for how I broke someone I claim to love. And I desperately want to go into therapy. I want to find out why I do this shit. I want to find out why in these critical moments i am choosing the easy way out i am choosing to like be in the moment of a kiss or whatever that made me feel loved like i've never loved before it's just like fuck you man like just say time out rochelle i have some shit to deal

with can we like just table this till tomorrow i don't literally just go even if you had to like call her up and be like hey hey, we need to talk. I'm sorry this is inconvenient, but we need to break up. Like that's better than what you did, you know? Yeah. And then go and make out with her tomorrow and have the whole affair or whatever. But like, yeah, he just doesn't seem like a person who really wants to understand why he did what he did.

And there are people who make the mistake that he has made who do, who are disgusted with their actions, who kind of wake up and realize that they are letting their unresolved trauma from their past fuck up their life as an adult and hurt the people they claim to love. And they are actually willing to do something about it. And that it doesn't seem to be Tom Sandoval. No, it's so much about how people react afterwards. And the fact is, is that he built up, you know, let's say we play along with like all the stuff he's talking about the relationship, how like terrible it was. First of all, that's mutual. It's not just like one sided. Both of you are in a bad relationship where there's a lot of like separation and things

like that. And I think the most damning thing for me kind of bouncing off of that was the fact that he used couples therapy. And if you think about the relationship in that situation ariana probably looked at that as almost like a north star last light of hope to be like wow you're actually doing something figuring it out yeah and then save our relationship he literally said how like ariana started changing and being nice it's like that's what fucking therapy does you asshole you gave her literal false hope and weaponized couples therapy. Now going forward in her next relationship, you might have broken her trust in therapy itself. So fuck you.

She gave in because she loves you. Yeah. And just because you guys were going through a rough patch of being disconnected, you decided that was an excuse to cheat. And when he said that version of Ariana, whoever dates that version of Ariana is extremely lucky. And it's like someone who's meeting her needs and not like treating her horrifically. Like what I hear in that

is you were finally fucking connecting after so long. And he took no accountability for that lack of connection and then went out of his way to kind of be like, and I was the one who tried to fix it. And then when she, like the whole thing just like paints himself as either a victim or just like a hero in an impossible situation yeah yeah it was really interesting i i thought it was kind of

interesting when he was talking about like you know how i don't owe anyone at all any of this information that's an interesting argument. I don't necessarily agree with him. I find it interesting just because like, you know, where do you draw the line, right? Technically, Nellie and I's relationship is somewhat public facing because like we post each other on Instagram and she's been on this podcast, you know, we didn't meet like on TV or anything like that. So like, you know, we like to share a lot of things, but there's some things we like to keep private, right? And, you know, where do Tom and Ariana

have the right to privacy? I would argue that if you do something like this, that if one of the person in the relationship, especially if it's being, like their relationship started on a reality TV show, like Ariana had the right to put it out there. And when it's out there, like to sit there and like criticize your quote-unquote friends

or your castmates, I just... Like they're co-workers, first of all. Yeah, they're co-workers. And what do you fucking expect, dude? He also then implied that Ariana was unwilling to be vulnerable or share herself with the world, saying everybody else has been through shit and handled it on TV and you won't put it on the show you're gonna say you're

gonna quit the show how dare you say you're gonna quit people have been through worse again he just I think it just he has such a disconnect of like what he did I just don't think he realizes I think he's just like he's acting like he accidentally parked in someone's

reserved parking spot and he's just like hey man my in someone's reserved parking spot. And he's just like, hey, man, my bad. I just won't park there tomorrow. I fucked up. That's on me. Yeah, I'll move my car in seven months. I will. And then I won't do it again.

But that's how he is acting like this. Not like he truly destroyed metaphorically. I don't know, not literally, but you know what I'm saying? She felt truly probably just devastated and destroyed and for probably a week or maybe longer or maybe 24 hours just truly was beside herself. People, sadly, have committed suicide. The hours following finding out that their love of a life

has been cheating on someone else. Like this, it's a truly devastating thing for a lot of people. And he's just like, yeah, sorry, I parked in your spot. Anyway, those are our thoughts. We have an amazing episode. It's jam packed. Girl Boss Town. You also might know her as Robin Del Monte joins us. Peter, what's Peter's last name? I wanted to say magnolia magical or something like that anyways he is a hoot a hoot and a half and he he pops in literally literally pops in it's a wild episode uh we have it's not texting office hours it's sweating the wedding sweating the wedding it's we have a great caller everything about this episode is jam-packed i hope you enjoyed this i'm

glad we got it in um All right, let's get to it. What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another episode of the vile files going deeper edition i'm nick join with me the household and our special special guest host today robin dalmonte you know her as girl boss town how are you doing robin i'm doing great it's good to be back it feels like home you know the first time a little nervous but now i've earned my stripes here i feel were you nervous the first time yeah really yeah i was a little nervous i feel like picking off of people's energy is very important in like the podcast space but i feel like it all blended perfectly and your guys's audience was so kind and a lot of times people like oh i saw you on the vial if i was like that's how i found you so

you were you were, you were wonderful. You didn't come across as nervous. Some people do come across as nervous. Sometimes people are nervous that I'm surprised by where I'll see their hand shaking a little bit. I'm like, wow, you're nervous. That is the worst when you're watching on TV or something and their hand is shaking.

Like, and I'm like, oh, it feels bad. It's telling on you. It'll be people I would never have guessed. People who have like been in the biz for a minute. But anyways, we are calling you our special guest host today because we also have a guest coming in later in the episode, Peter Mandrigal. I hope I'm pronouncing his name right.

I just met him outside and he said his last name with a wonderful, beautiful accent. And then he gave me the American version, which I think I just butchered. Anyways, we'll get the correct pronunciation with Peter in a moment to talk all things Vanderpump. And before we get into that, we have so much to cover. Usually, we will talk a lot of pop culture at our intros. But since you are a pop culture queen, we figured we'd just have you in for the whole goddamn episode.

That's the way I want it. Perfect. And we'll just get into it. Do we have any housekeeping notes we want to talk about yeah all right it's thursday so another episode of better date than never is live tonight at 9 p.m eastern we are talking sex toy sex toy shenanigans misadventures yeah sex toys gone wrong you know like when to use it when not to how do we incorporate into the bedroom you know how to have that conversation anyways the conversations the chats on better date than never are super fun

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that are not live if you don't get to listen to it live. Plus, much more stuff including, we gotta start this soon, we're gonna go back to Vanderpump Season 1

and recap all the way through because it's... Maybe we'll bring Girlboss down back for a special episode. We would love that. I will say I am a reality TV buff

and the one show I recommend people to like start in the Bravo universe is Vanderpump Rules. I grew up in the restaurant industry. I was waitress like forever

and if you... You don't even need to have grown up in the restaurant industry but like if you know, you know. Like the first season's dramas is so good i cannot wait for you guys to watch it it's it's incredible and it never stops there's not like a lull i'm i'm so excited we have so much more to get into we have well taylor swift is now single nick cannon wants to impregnate her the dalai lama is asking little boys to suck his tongue.

There's so much going on. I figured maybe we'll do a little PR crisis management with Girl Boss Town. Maybe we can start with the Toms and Vanderpump. I can't wait to hear what Peter's... I feel like Peter's going to really spill some tea. Because I feel like Peter is a man on the show that truly has nothing to lose. Yeah. It's just like, he's not,

not in a bad way, but like, I don't think Peter's gone through media training for this, which is great and fine. But I heard him on Kristen Doty's podcast and he was spilling tea, which is what the people want. So I was like, there you go,

Peter, give the people what they want. And he had a little moment with Raquel at the beginning of the season. So it'll be interesting. We were going to hope for some new tea. Yeah. Also, we found out I'm a little disappointed in myself apparently Howie Mandel is gonna get Tom Sandoval on his podcast to tell his side of the story Howie friend of show who's gonna be coming up on when is he coming out on first week of May first week of May he's coming back we'll have to talk with him about that but I don't know what if we just ask how about tom i fucked up yeah i i didn't reach

out to tom i actually ironically i dm tom and raquel yesterday together and been like hey you guys should come on together yeah imagine oh my god and i and i didn't like i should have done it like a month ago because i figured i don't know maybe i'll just like let it breathe for a little bit i should have just been more proactive i i still would like to get raquel on here yeah i think this would be a good platform for her but for reaching out to sandoval you should have been like hey do you and your band want to come on here because he probably would have said yes because he's obsessed with that but i think raquel if you're listening and watching this is the place for you to come on

and i think that'll happen i feel like i hope so i mean my and i i i'd like to be up front because i dm'd her i was like hey i'll be honest my and i i'd like to be up front because i dm'd her i was like hey i'll be honest we've been a little hard on you been critical because like yeah i mean have she's gonna find out but here's the here's the thing i wouldn't want to have her on to just roast her i mean clearly that's no that's not the point i honestly want to like listen like this happened right what it's it's it's a shitty situation what happened but i honestly want to see if like where do we go from here right there's been plenty of conversations about what has happened and we've made our judgments and we've spoken our piece but like how do we move forward and i'm honestly

genuinely interested in learning more about raquel yeah i mean there's this crazy story out there i don't know if it's true that That she went home with him in December? No, not even that. Her origin story. Her origin story. Oh, yeah. Forgive me if this is not accurate, but I believe she's been quoted as saying that she has a sister, but she didn't know

her sister was her sister when she was raised. She was raised by her aunt because her mom gave her up at birth because she didn't want her. That's a wild fucking story. I could be very wrong as well. I thought her mom was her sister and they told her that her sister was her sister, but it was actually her mom and she was raised by her grandparents.

Something like that. It's wild. Certainly, whatever that is, I can understand why there could be some some trauma there there's always there's no there's no excuse for what happened but there are reasons and i'm curious i want to know if raquel is using this opportunity to truly like look in the mirror and ask herself if she wants to be a better person and how she wants to and i i want that conversation to be thought of as productive and positive and a sense of healing. And I think it'd be interesting conversation to have with Raquel if she really

understands and wants to enact change in her life. It's also like, what's really interesting too is though, is like, again, like, cause like, look at Ariana, right? I know what it's like to have your heart broken by someone you love, right? I know what it's like to have your heart broken by someone you love, right? And regardless of how healthy that relationship is at the time, when you are betrayed by a person that you think you love and that you can trust, it is just a truly devastating feeling.

But sometimes after you get through the hurt, because pain, like hurt and anger, those are kind of temporary feelings. You can only stay angry and hurt for so long unless you and i say this as a ruminating king like sometimes you you can hold on to the hurt and pain but if you're willing to process and you're willing to heal eventually you just kind of get numb to those feelings right and it moves through you and it moves through you right and then you also can benefit from like an ariana right either she like i don't doubt that

she has been devastating hurt and she's going through so many emotions and she's i doubt very much that she's fully healed but at the same time it wouldn't shock me to hear that she's also in a lot of ways thriving yeah you know and you have to gain perspective from your pain so what you go through will obviously in the least cheesy way possible put you where you're supposed to end up but like you have to look inwards and define that perspective through the pain that you're going through and sometimes people don't want to look inwards and they want to just like keep going so like that pain keeps building other pain and other resentment on top of it um so it'll be interesting to see how raquel moves forward

yeah and it's also really i was thinking about this last night too and you're looking thinking about raquel and ariana like it does seem like it was a relationship going nowhere their friendship or the ariana's relationship ariana and tom i mean yeah yeah you know they say their friendship is a they were dating for nine years and i have listen people have all different opinions of what they want for a relationship, but I think I'm threading the needle here, but like people who want to have like a life partnership with no marriage or no kids, I think that takes a very special type of connection, right? Because listen, kids aren't for everyone. Marriage isn't for everyone. You know, I'm not here to tell you

what you should do, but there is something to be said about having a shared mutual purpose. And for a lot of people, raising kids is that purpose or even just the commitment of marriage is that purpose. For two people to just decide that they want to be life partners forever to just kind of hang out

takes an incredible amount of connection and chemistry and work and i'm curious for from ariana's point of view if now that she's out of this relationship she feels like relieved or yeah kind of like you know why was i in that relationship because like what did that relationship bring her yeah you know that she couldn't get somewhere else so on the show they dive into all of this in the previous seasons of like why her opinion is that way on marriage um and she like went through divorce and just like has all these feelings and lost her dad and she was just kind of like going through it in life and maybe looking at marriage is not being super optimistic about it

just because she didn't want to go through what her parents went through and that's what i think is even like more painful to watch all this go down is because she didn't want to get into a marriage because she didn't want to get hurt or things like have things like this happen so it's almost even worse but do you think that after this now she's like oh like maybe i should look for like a life partner to want to get married to because i mean like this is even worse now i'd be like i'm never even i don't know i mean hearing that i guess i just don't think you can go through life avoiding pain yeah vulnerability invulnerability and like listen like fuck i mean i've taken some pretty big swings in my life i've been hurt pretty pretty bad, you know, and it's just like, that's where therapy comes in. That's where processing your emotions. You just can't go through life trying to like, every time you get hurt saying, well, I'll never do that again. Or if it happened to someone else, you know, you kind of live in captivity.

Yeah. of handcuff yourself from having happiness. Listen, I sit here today knowing with 100% certainty that I'm going to experience tragic heartbreak in the future. Multiple times over. And some of those people are going to be

people I love. Of course. And I don't know how that's all going to play out, but you have to work through some things sometimes. And this is the thing, so I know I'm sure we'll probably get into this a little bit. But Ariana got into a relationship with Tom right on the heels of his relationship with Kristen. And there was some cheating involved. Like Ariana made out with Tom when he was still with Kristen.

Kristen was cheating too, whatever. So then Ariana and Tom kind of looked at it as like, this caused so much controversy and so much scandal. We might as well stay together. Like, it almost pushed them to stay together more because there was so much, like, craziness around them even starting to talk and get into a relationship. And I'm wondering if that will now be what happens with Raquel and Sandoval. And I almost think it'll hurt Ariana less and will be better if Sandoval and Raquel actually just like take it seriously and end up together because it's like you went through all of this.

You might as well just be together. You know what I mean? Because if they broke up, then in Ariana's eyes, she might look at it as like, OK, then what was that even for? Do you think like as a historian of the show, hearing you say that, it makes me think of Tom Sandoval being really scared to be alone if he's constantly starting another relationship while the while he's in a current relationship is still like if he perceives it to be like fizzling out or it's

like so you know whatever it is i think he just needs validation 24 7 i don't know if hobby will address this on the show but what i want to what i want to know from tom sandoval is why did he cheat and i'm guessing if i asked tom that question he while saying he's not blaming ariana would offer excuses of like well we just we were having sex yeah we weren't having sex anymore or we just are the the love was gone or we were roommates. But that's not why you cheat. Exactly, yeah. I want him to look inside and try to have an answer of why, in the moment here, did you choose to lie and be deceitful and be manipulative and take the easy path

or seemingly the easy path and choose validation and break the hearts of so many people around you as opposed to sitting down with ariana and having a conversation or just ending that relationship why did you just choose this very destructive and hurtful thing and let's let's dive deep and and why you think you did what are what are the feelings that you felt in this moment and i'd love to have that time for conversation i'd love to have that type of conversation with raquel not to again like to chastise and beat down but like to see if there's a a path forward even though raquel is looked at as like not having much thought i think that

raquel's doing a better job even owning up to that even if it's just her pr like in the in her notes apology saying like i have a problem with validation and like whatever like she's kind of leaning into like that i have an issue but tom is a pointing fingers guy so exactly what you're saying it's like if he actually like let's get down to this and like talk about why you did it at least for kel's even being like okay well clearly like i like attention i like validation i'm a people pleaser like i have an issue like he's not even close to owning up to anything that he's done like and i'm sure that'll just continue i would like to ask tom sandoval if he thinks he's a good person and then i'd ask like to ask him why

he thinks he is assuming he says yes yeah but with narcissists like i don't know i think it'd be a really interesting conversation yeah definitely anyways let's get into some maybe pr crisis kind of round up uh let's start with the toms okay tom schwartz was on watch what happens live last week uh heavily talked about yeah him and i dm the day before he he's down to come on possibly in the next week or so oh my gosh but what would you say how how should the toms let's let's start with tom schwartz yeah well you're his you're tom schwartz's publicist yeah okay so i think it could go a couple of ways but right now everybody including andy cohen was like bro like you need media training this is so incredibly bad so while people are kind of poking fun and

making fun of that i would almost have him go back on Watch What Happens Live with like a Kate Bailey from like a line PR, like have like a media crisis person be on the other side of the couch with him to talk through media training and like a kitschy, like fun interview way to poke fun at the fact that one, he does not know how to compose an interview and to to like kind of redeem himself and like have that conversation and have him be media trained but like in a way that's on the media and like still funny and kitschy and then also i think that he needs to if he's gonna gain the respect of the public again which i think might be kind of hard he needs to cut ties with sandoval like even though that's his best friend his business partner he they can still be in aandoval like even though that's his best friend his business partner they can still be in a business together and maybe figure that out legally but him standing by sandoval's side i think he thinks is very honoring and like loyal loyal but it's doing the complete opposite yeah i don't really think there's much hope for him i like him like as a there's no

person for like for what like to have a career in this space plain devil's advocate on abandoning Tom Schwartz I just want to see him hold his friend truly accountable because it's the way it's the way he goes about it he's just kind of like his whole like well you know if you see Tom give him a hug he's like

no you know and it's like yes I agree that like the internet always goes too far and whatever Tom Sandoval did, if you're harassing and bullying Raquel or Tom in the DMs, that's not okay. But I think Tom Schwartz could say, listen, at the end of the day, Sandoval has been my friend for years. he comes across as a person who has no redeeming qualities. I've seen a guy do a lot of great things. And while I don't approve of what he did, that my hope is Tom's friend, is that I want to hold him accountable and challenge him to do the work and become a better person and so that he no longer does these things.

And actually have a thoughtful comment about what type of friend he wants to be. But Swartz comes across as this kind of... actually have a thoughtful like comment about what type of friend he wants to be but swartz comes across as this this kind of he does he does i i think um what's his name said it on watch what happens jerry o'connell like they he comes across as such a boy and i'm not even trying to be a dick but he just comes across as a boy who's just who's whose only real thought is just to like have fun with his pals and like everything's gonna be fine and no one's like no one's feelings are ever really hurt yeah it's just chill but i just think publicly like publicly facing him and sand like exactly he can 100 hold his friend

accountable which i don't think he ever will but maybe um but like publicly facing i think instead of like trying to take on other people's battles and continuing to dig himself in a hole deeper and deeper he should look inwards at himself figure himself out figure out what he needs out of sandoval's friendship hold sandoval accountable but like publicly facing i just think he's a disaster i think it's a disaster like i don't think he should be seen hanging out with swore that's what i'm saying yeah like it's just like not even hanging out, but like being going on TV shows and being like, I mean, it's not that bad.

I don't know. They're just like talking himself into a hole. It's like, oh, this is really bad. Yeah. Calling his ex like he would stand up for Sandoval more than his ex wife. Yeah, for sure. That's what I literally said that last week. I was like, if he stood up for Katie, the way he's standing up for Sandoval, if he defended

her, he'd be married. The way he stands up for his laundry guy. Literally anyone but her. I think they would have had a much better marriage and might still be together. Yeah. Yeah. He has Peter Pan syndrome to the nth degree. Well, and Katie even said that in the most recent episode in Mexico when she was talking

to, what's her friend that went to Mexico with her? Christina. Christina Kelly. Yeah. And she was just saying, of of course he did the thing he always does where if there's a third party in a conversation he will always take the third person's point of view over mine. You know why

he does that? Tell me. Because he's really taking his side. Exactly. And he's using the other person as an outlet to like hop on the bandwagon. Because he you know. He's like see I'm not the only one that thinks like this. I'm not the only one who yeah. Well and Katie's even said too like he has opinions behind closed doors which is the frustrating part when you're shooting a show like this but the best is when he was like you know i i love katie i love

you katie but she was a monster i'm like you are just it's so bad it's so bad yeah like don't you know like doesn't he understand like headlines or? Like, even I get nervous for the things that I say. And, like, I'm not on that platform, like, at all. Just think before you say, like, think. Just try to think. Well, we still hope to have Schwartz on next week. And, again, like Raquel or Sandoval, like, I hope it's a productive conversation. Because I look at someone like Tom Schwartz, and he has a lot of redeeming qualities.

He probably, in a lot of redeeming qualities he probably in a lot of ways I loved him the first is a good friend I just think he just needs to like realize that sometimes you have to make some grown-up choices and some tough choices and you have to say no to the people you claim to love or are friends with because sometimes being a friend is holding people accountable and even sometimes maybe distancing yourself sometimes being a friend is holding people accountable and even sometimes maybe distancing yourself or being a friend from afar you know at times and just like i want to i want to see if i can have a conversation with tom about that to see if we can get to a place where it sounds like he understands that concept yeah yeah and like the difference between like being

nice and being kind as a quote in terms of how it there's some discernment required because it just seems like he doesn't want any conflict but yeah because he'll think like he'll think him being kind is like taking sandoval's side but like because he's like a people pleaser like he thinks like well he's my friend like whatever but it's like you're also friends with ariana you're also friends like he doesn't think of the right thing he just thinks of like what's right in the moment i always think back to when we had teffy on and she was saying about the difference between nice and kind and she was saying nice is saying you look great today and kind is babe you have something in your teeth

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That's C-A-N-V-A dot M-E slash V-I-A-L-L for a free 45-day extended trial. Canva.me slash V-I-A-L-L. Do you want to do sandoval next specifically you're you're you're sandoval you get hired as sandoval's rep yeah but you said exactly what i was gonna say for sandoval but i was like i think he should maybe like meet with dr drew or something like he needs to like do a full-blown just like look in the mirror look inwards and figure it out like i think he shouldn't be performing with his band he needs to stop doing that immediately before and after sandoval i don't think the band was a good idea but that is so bad and kind of what i was saying before he needs to do a lot a lot a lot of work on himself and hold himself accountable but i don't know if anybody

can make him do that besides himself and i don't know what would make him finally throw in the towel and be like okay i need to work on myself because if this isn't an eye opener what is going to be like i mean i he was like recorded like last week glitter and face paint and shirtless with glitter pants just performing it's like it's like his performances are like if like harry styles of at like a denny's like it's like no he's like walmart david belly yeah like wow that's real good thank you but that's like do you know what i mean like the places like no offense to the venues these performing at but it's just like yeah or no offense to denny's even but um i'm kind of hungry. But yeah, no, there is no hope.

But you guys, do you guys think anything will ever make him hold himself accountable and like actually look in the mirror? Like, or do you think it's just not going to happen? I doubt it. Because if this isn't doing it, like what? But I think that the difference is it's like he's so he craves validation so much and he's still getting it. He's like, no, he's liking this. much and he's still getting it he's like no he's liking this he's getting attention even when we had kristen on you need

to hit rock bottom and this isn't rock bottom right after the news broke he was still performing and there's still fans showing up and kristen was saying he slept with a fan right after this news just broke he if you guys when you guys watch season one like they all wanted to be actors like they thought they were going to be brad pitt like genuinely mentally physically emotionally everything so like him now being in major headlines like he loves this like this is everything for him and that just shows like he would rather be in page six than like be in bed with ariana the only thing i could imagine him changing for and i don't think this is like a strategy or approach that anybody should take but if he like knocked someone up and became a dad i feel like sometimes people have a really intense kind of like i know a lot of like

addicts will have like a real like okay rock bottom like i can't do this anymore look it seems like sometimes for some people considering parenthood makes them actually be honest i don't know that i hate that for his hypothetical kid i know it would be a nightmare for everyone because like who was paying for that hypothetical while that can happen it often doesn't and there's probably a lot of people listening with narcissistic parents who are never parents because they never stop chasing their own individual dreams in fact i personally know people who have experienced shit like that where their parents just never stopped with their own individual bullshit and abandoned their families and abandoned their children to literally never grow up and yeah

i mean if if sandoval like pulled in a Nick Cannon, I honestly think the world would just be less of a better place. Speaking of Nick Cannon. Yeah. He wants to impregnate Taylor Swift, which that is the most blasphemous. Ew. Why are we giving Nick Cannon such attention for what is now? It's just weird now. It's weird.

It's horrible. is now it's just weird now it's it's weird it's horrible also the fact that taylor swift who is literally headlining the biggest tour of all time performing three hours a night has put out some of the greatest music of all time is finally single and what people are harping on is a nick cannon story rather than the fact that this independent woman is taking over the world is just fucking disgusting excuse my language um but no no no no reason to excuse yeah i just i think it's horrible um and it's so it's weirdly like i grew up i'm 28 i really liked nick cannon when i was younger like he had love don't cost a thing america's got talent yeah it was great but even like was younger like he had love don't cost a thing America's Got Talent yeah it was great but even like before then like he like when he was like young and like in his early 20s and doing

wild and out like I thought he was dating Chanel Iman the Victoria's Secret model like I was like I really liked him like I thought he was great and then it's like what happened like this is just horrible if you want fame so bad that you're willing to procreate just for fame like this is just horrible. If you want fame so bad that you're willing to procreate just for fame, like, this is, the world's doomed. Yeah, it's just,

I don't know why we're, we were, why we're celebrating this kind of. Yeah. Why are we giving it attention? Yeah, because now it's.

It's like Tom Sandoval. It's like a sickness where he's just trying to like impregnate as many women as possible. It seems like someone very concerned about a legacy. But that's... But that's fine.

It's not a good way to do it. No, but like, that's fine that he wants to have all those children, especially if the women are consenting it and they want to have it as well. That's not even what I have a problem with. What I have a problem with is him being like, I'm going to impregnate Taylor Swift. She's so not in this narrative. What are you doing?

Yeah, you're right. If he wants to do his own thing, but it's now a story. It's like a TV show. The story is gross. Because it comes across as him impregnating women and having kids for the sake of the attention. Because aren't they coming out with a TV show

about who wants to be Nick Cannon's next baby? Oh, gosh actually think that's the thing yeah it just feels so i don't know it's feels like he's trying to dominate her and take it's the very similar energy of i made that bitch famous yes exactly and it's like i can't well speaking of gross we have the dalai Lama who was caught on tape asking a young boy to suck his tongue. And his team, I believe yesterday, came out with some sort of... His team. It's so weird to hear Dalai Lama and his team all in the same sentence. He has a team. But they basically said, jokes and spaghetti.

It's just him being goofy. Yeah. What would Robin, PR crisis specialist, say? Because to me, that didn't land for because to me that didn't land no that definitely didn't land at all and it's like it's crazy because like there's like a microphone right here in front of a crowd and he's like i want you to set like he almost he says it into the microphone it's not like somebody like caught it like in a moment like it was literally on a microphone that he's saying it to the little kid and he like

pulls the kid closer and closer and the kids kind of like pulling away. Very crazy, uncomfortable. And it's actually not being spoken about as much as I think it should. Like I searched for it yesterday. It happened a couple of days ago. I was like, why isn't this everywhere? But maybe their crisis PR team is kind of handling that. It's definitely not all jokes and spaghetti

i think it is foul but it's so difficult because this is somebody that people look up to like crazy like the pope in a sense so it's like the people who are riding like ride or die for the dalai lama are gonna just continue to support him but the rest of the people who don't necessarily even understand him or what he does like they're gonna be like this is crazy and insane and disgusting which i believe it is as well no one taught the dalai lama boundaries you know yeah no but people are saying i was doing research into it that like maybe like dementia or like maybe i mean he is 87 years old so um maybe if that is the case and they're doing actual serious studies on that maybe being something that he has maybe like speaking on that rather

than just saying he likes to joke around because if you're gonna say he it it's fine it's just he like minimizes what he did you might as well not even say anything if that's the approach that you're gonna take yeah because then you're then then you're saying asking minors to suck yeah your tongue is a joke and it's not a joke yeah fucking it's illegal and gross and in front of a crowd on a microphone so it's like if he's doing that openly in front of like a lot of people like i don't know there's also kind of the reverse side of that although like he clearly did this in front of people like it's not like like i feel like there's a narrative or like some people are like trying to spin it in a way of like oh so that's kind of his innocence that he's like he's doing in front of people he's not like doing this in private like this was just like a really off color

totally missed the mark thing but the fact that he's doing this in public shows that it's like something he's just like really off base with and not like as like maniacal scheming doing but i don't know well i don't even think people are looking at it as if it's something he's just really off base with and not as maniacal scheming doing, but I don't know what that is. Well, I don't even think people are looking at it as if it's maniacal and scheming. I think they're just thinking this is fucking weird and inappropriate and horrible. Kylie Jenner was accused of sexualizing Easter.

Did you hear it? In what way? I actually don't know, but the biggest reason why i'm bringing up because so is i um i mean i i made a video about her a vintage john paul gaultier outfit that she wore on easter that i thought looked great but but yeah what did she do amanda well it was it was for the easter photos and again this is like you know some of this is like the internet getting in a frenzy. But some people were upset.

They felt like this kind of content, the Instagrams that she posted on Easter were very. What's wrong with that? No. See, I'm taking Kylie's side 100 percent. Bring up Natalie's Easter photo. You want? No. Yeah.

But no, this is just people wanting to hate for no reason if tom brady took a shirtless picture with um easter bunny ears on people would be like oh my god like so hot love him he's the best like he's the best dad he loves easter with his kids but if natalie or kylie posted this they'd be like oh my god it's a double standard and it's k's wearing a dress, like a floor-length dress. And it's vintage Jean-Paul Gaultier giving. Give me your PR advice because Natalie did this wonderful photo shoot with a wonderful, talented photographer, Black Prince on Instagram,

if you want to check it out. And so she posted it, whatever. Neither Natalie and I are super religious at this point in our lives. And then I shared it on my story and with a caption jesus has risen on easter sunday i i should i should have known better obviously it's like you know but you listen as someone who grew up very religious and very catholic like i just listen for me i i believe that truly if there is a god he has a sense of humor and I just wish some people

he also made your body and knows who you are and I'm not here to tell you what you believe and everything but to believe but

as someone in the PR community is that something where it's just better not to for someone like myself because here's another thing

that was really annoying so on that same day I posted like I took Natalie and I were just chilling by the pool and she was just sitting on the couch.

And I just took this one on my phone. I love that, yeah. Just on my phone. Just a little close-up of her eye. Beautiful. Her eyes just sparkling. Her freckles look beautiful. And I posted that.

And then I was like, oh, I'll do a slideshow. And I posted this very artistic photo that was part of the photo shoot. No one commented on her beautiful eye. Everyone commented on the fact that obviously, you know, it was a picture of her body. And it's just like, it's kind of annoying how many people, like, they're the ones who commented on her body rather than like... You bringing it in.

Yeah, so like, is it, from a PR standpoint, even though as a guy, should I know better that people are going to make those comments or is it okay to just say, you know what? I am going to celebrate my fiance and I definitely subscribe to the, uh, Schitt's Creek mantra,

which is this like, you know, Nellie and I are not always going to look this way. We are going to get old. We are going to age and we live in a time where like, I want to celebrate my fiance. And I think she is beautiful. And she also models on the side.

And she is creating art. And I want to support that art that she is creating. And I'm not going to sit there and worry about certain people telling me that I'm objectifying my fiance. While in reality, I'm supporting her and posting the things that she wants. So from a PR, what does my publicist on the side have to say first off post the fucking picture like you guys both look incredible like what are people talking about objectifying as if you don't deeply truly love her and show that on so many factors it's like a lot of the times when people say those types of hate comments in general

are just projecting unhappiness. So if you want to post a photo of you and your future wife in bathing suits, like by a pool, if we're going to take issue with that, then there's issue with legitimately everything. I think that maybe those types of comments will come in, but I would never pay any attention to them.

And I would never stop posting those types of things. Because at the end of the day, you're celebrating the woman you love. And she's celebrating herself too, by even taking those photos and having the confidence to take those photos. So thank you. Yeah.

Don't, don't think about the haters on that. Like, I sometimes, it's also the tale as old as time it's like okay people called chloe kardashian fat an ogre the ugly kardashian for years years that was every comment then she finally either gets work done or works out and figures out how she likes to look and now people are like oh this is fucking horrible so like if you didn't post Natalie and you posted say like yourself people would be like well where's Natalie

like you don't want to post your wife people will never be happy with what you post I think this is my opinion. What did you think of a while back for Valentine's Day when Emrata and Eric Andre were like rumored to have a little something, maybe nothing. And they posted the post sex picture.

Yeah, like the naked photo. What did you think of that? Because it seems like, you know, in the context of relationship, absolutely. You love this person. Like, yeah, they're your person. You have every right to like express affection and intimacy. What do you think about when it's more of a casual situation? I just think consent is key.

I think if both people are down to post that and there's consent behind it then like why would it be a problem that's I think what it comes down to and that's the thing some people might be conservative when it comes to you know body and sex and that's fine but like

a lot of people aren't and that's okay to separate and also like if you are conservative like don't follow the type of people who't and that's okay to celebrate. And then also like if you are conservative, like don't follow the type of people who post those types of things. What did you think of Kourtney Kardashian's very unfiltered look at her wedding night in Vegas

where she posted some photos? Iconic. Iconic. And it's also, they're very smart about Kourtney's wedding because they gave us so much but so little at the same time.

Now they're freaking launching. And Travis being like, I don't know how I could pick between the three weddings. It's like choosing between your children. I think it was very smart. Calculated is the wrong word, but they know what they're doing on social media. But can we talk about this decision of how to

throw up? Because I want to critique it but I'm also like, I don't know the better one. There is no bag. She's on the floor. There is no, it's just going to be in the car. It's Vegas, too. But who is- She can't open the door because she's a Kardashian.

So someone's just stuck with it. Yeah, I don't know if you guys saw videos from that night, like when they're walking into the hotel. Oh, he's holding her up. Yeah. Also, she lost her jacket. R.I.P. R.I.P.

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And it is still one of my most beloved items. Also, if our word isn't enough or Nick's web searching isn't enough, they've recently partnered with JLo. So if JLo is putting her stamp of approval on it, you know that it's high quality. You know, like Amanda said, it's going to last for a really long time. It's going to look beautiful. It's going to feel great on your body. So what are you waiting for? You need to go find some Intimissimi pieces, add them to your life. And yeah, and it's so fun whether you have like a partner that you're so excited to surprise them with, or it's just that good feeling of when you wake up in the morning and your bra and your

underwear match, or you're just wearing your favorite undergarment, whatever that may be. It just starts the mood on a high note and it is great for morale. Amen. So to find your next beautiful pieces to add to your wardrobe go to intimacy.com slash jlo you'll find everything right there right there for you that is i n t i m i s s i m i dot com slash jlo intimacy me get your italian on get it on get it on thanks for coming. Yeah, thanks for coming, man. We're excited to get the tea. Huh? I said we're excited to get the

tea. Tea! Y'all gave me nice and inebriated over here. I also had a shot of the 181 tequila. Did you? I love that. 181. We have a bar in the waiting room and Peter's one of the first people, the first person We made wait this long

Because we had to do our intro And you took a nice Thank you for doing that Peter Oh you're welcome This is your home Peter This is your home Make use of the amenities Oh this is my home

Alright cool awesome Make yourself comfortable I feel right at home right now Yeah You know I'm just kind of like Chilling with my white claw This is actually my second one Oh my gosh

And it's out of the 818 tequila You know I just saw that sitting down there. Do you want more? Can I bring out a bottle? Do you want me to just finish off that bottle? If you want to get soft. If it means we'll get the good tea. Oh, no, no, no.

I can control my alcohol very well. Yeah. I would assume so, yeah. Oh, yeah. We still want the tea. I mean, like, I'll see what I can give away. You don't wear a deep V for nothing. Yeah.

That says I have more to say. I got up at, what, five o'clock this morning, actually increased it from five to seven miles today. Then I lifted back and biceps. You are a tower of a man. Oh, God.

Well, thank you for that. You are. A tower of a man. Okay. I. Well, thank you for that. I appreciate it. You are. A tower of a man. Okay. I've never met the Toms in person, but they seem to be of the smaller ilk. I kind of dwarf a couple of them. Okay. Oh, God.

I don't know. I'm just a happy-go-lucky get-along guy. How is your heart, Peter? My heart? Yeah. In what way? Just in any way i like i like to ask i mean my heart was broken a couple of times actually in the past you know that's why i'm like everyone asked me oh you know why aren't you in a relationship well i've been in some

i've been in love before i have you know it's funny because like uh so sir is run by two managers uh myself and Diana. I don't know if you remember, if you ever watched the third season of Vanderpump Rules. I haven't yet, but I'm going back. Suck a dick, Diana. Suck a dick. Remember that? Yeah, Kristen.

Okay, there you go. So, Diana, she and I have run that restaurant for over a decade now. And, yeah, she... She and I have run that restaurant for over a decade now. And yeah, it's been one of those amazing relationships that we've had. And there's something coming up soon that I'm just kind of like, you know. Anyway, I don't want to get into that just yet. About Pump? No, no, not about Pump.

I'm not going to answer any questions about Pump. About you guys you and diana are in an actual relationship no no no oh i thought that's no she's been my work wife for a for a long time you know so she's been like on the back end of stuff i've been on the forefront of everything and you know uh yeah okay sad but anyway you're sad your heart's sad yeah but uh i was talking to her about a couple of you know about because she asked me the question you know peter uh actually i don't remember how the subject was brought up because we were out drinking as a group one night her her boyfriend this woman's been my work wife for over a decade like i said you know she's got my back i got her back management wise at that spot and uh yeah she was i can't remember how the conversation came up but i was like diana you know that i've been in love a few times and she's like oh i know you've been in love i was there i saw who are you in love with uh you know there's a

couple of people that you wouldn't you wouldn't know actually one of them you probably would and i'm not going to mention her why not huh do you want to give us a clue yeah we can guess uh we're just you're not in love with them now yeah i know it was years ago so we can celebrate that love's a beautiful thing yeah uh so yeah this girl her name was stephanie she was uh she was in she did Playboy back in the day. Okay. Yeah. Guess, too. So, yeah, that was one of them.

She did a guess campaign. Yes, yeah. Guess girl. Yeah. Playboy. What happened? I don't know. She just kind of like left, and I was like, well, I was heartbroken.

You just went, huh? I went, and I'm going, huh'm going now but then i was like heartbroken you're devastated yeah how long did it take you to get over that oh i don't know a while yeah so speaking of heartbreak obviously your your friend ariana is heartbroken uh over the what you don't think she's heartbroken i would imagine so oh okay you just looked at me like you gave me a look i gave you a look like yeah affirming the heartbreak yes affirming it i heard somewhere that uh you had proof or knew that like that that the tom and and and raquel situation was going on much earlier what can you clarify that i talked about this on Kristen Doty's podcast. Speaking of, I could take that.

It's funny how it comes full circle. So yeah, so I was on Kristen's podcast. You know, it's funny going back to Kristen and Diana. They're best of friends. It's just, you know, sometimes you just kind of run into these, you know, these conflicts. Anyway, for me, I'll give you the whole, you want the whole story? I can give you the whole story if you want a story. Okay. All right. Let's go into the story. So me, I was always content to be Peter, sir, manager, running the restaurant, having a good time, leaning by the bar, having a few drinks, just, just, just, you know what? Hey,

I'm flowing through life. I'm doing doing my thing i am not involved whatsoever right and uh i mean you see it on like episode two when i get a right hook from lisa and then a left hook from raquel rachel uh you know it's like what do you go with now huh what do you call her rachel rachel rachel yeah at the time raquel now rachel does rachel go by rachel now i don't know what i have you call her rachel i call her that so there's a lot of other people but anyway so i get a right hook from lisa my boss and the left hook from rachel you know telling me not to and you see that on the show i'm like just kind of like chilling at the bar having a good time you know that's just you know just kind of chill i that's me, right? You're just flowing through life.

Yeah, exactly. You know, doing my thing. So I celebrate three holidays consecutively. I do Thanksgiving in November. I do Christmas in December. And then I do in January, Gasparilla. Now Gasparilla in Tampa, it happens in Tampa Bay. And Gasparilla is like M Gasparilla happens in Tampa Bay. And Gasparilla is like Mardi Gras, but you dress like a pirate.

I've been to Gasparilla. Yeah, yeah. It's one of my favorite holidays. I do it every year. And I've been doing it for seven, eight years now. You know, I just go every year, dress like a pirate, get drunk. It's a good time. It's so much fun, which leads me into this.

I get to Tampa,ida on the 27th of january end of january right i am ready i'm in a euphoric state i'm ready to dress like a pirate the next day have a good time just got off the plane turned on my turned off my airplane mode and the first text that pops up is Tom Sandoval. Keep in mind that this fellow has not texted me in six months. So the last text I got from him was six months prior. So it was August. So being in my reforex state, I didn't really think about it very much other than like,

oh, how is the show? What did I look like on the show? But basically, all right, I'll go ahead and open that. Just bring up those receipts. Yeah. I'll bring up the receipts. Yes. And I screenshotted it multiple times.

Obviously. Just in case. Yeah, just in case. So Friday, January 27th at 5.02 PM, I guess that would be- I'm assuming you read these also on- Kristen's podcast. Yes, yeah, yeah. So I'm giving you all a nice little recap here.

Why not? You know what I mean? Anytime you want to give us the exclusive on something, let us know. Okay. But continue. So he said, dude, exclamation point. Just watched the first episode, comma, LOL, exclamation point. Did you bang Raquel that night after sir

exclamation point question mark what a gentleman laughing crying emoji now this guy never sends me any emojis at all like in the last text he seems like an emoji guy though he doesn't send me any emojis so me being who like where i was at that point in time and it was funny like my brother my brother was all like i wish you'd been in la because we were like dissected that like wait what the hell is he talking about but because i was in tampa and i was ready to get my party on i didn't even think about it i was all like actually the first thought that came to my mind was like wait wait let's go how am i being portrayed like what's what's happening you know what i mean that's the first thing that i thought of.

Because I would never in a million years think that Tom Sandoval would ever cheat on Ariana, his one true love. Is that sarcasm? Or did you actually think that? I honestly thought that. I'm not trying to be sarcastic. Maybe I am coming off a little sarcastic right now.

Well, I don't know. I mean, like, you know, I don't know Tom Sandoval personally. You know, I don't know Tom Sandoval personally. You know him. But for the Tom Sandoval that I have gotten to know through media and Vanderpump, I would not bet on him to be a man of monogamy and faithfulness. Like, that's just not how he portrays. And I'm just curious, what about Tom Sandoval prior to all this coming out said to you, this is a guy who is a trustworthy, loyal man to the people he claims to love? Well, the fact that he was with Ariana for such a long time and they moved in together and they had plans for the future, all that good stuff. You know what I mean?

they you know they had plans for the future all that good stuff you know what i mean and then you know him and schwartz they had such a great relationship you know and they stuck together through thick and thin uh it didn't really cross my mind that that would ever happen but to play devil's advocate a little bit speaking of suck a dick diana suck a dick with the whole miami girl situation that happened with tom and ariana season three did you looking back now do you think that actually happened or yeah i do looking back now yeah i do you think miami girl happened i do so then wouldn't that give you a little bit of like insight we're talking we're talking at post fact yeah the the whole thing yeah but there was allegations of him cheating in the past.

Mm-hmm. So, yeah. Yeah, it's more like being someone for a long time doesn't mean you're faithful. It just means maybe you're good at hiding it all. Yeah. Yeah. Well, but think about it. After the Miami girl, that was what?

2014? Mm-hmm. What were the allegations afterwards? Were there any? I don't know. None. None. Yeah.

Zip, zero, nine. towards were there any i don't know not that none yeah zip zero so after tom sent you this text message in january asking if you uh had slept with raquel how did you take that well at the time i like i said i thought i was like wait what do they show what what's happening on the on the episode you know so i got the episode i watched it i was like seems fine to me i didn't really you know but at that point in time, I'm not even thinking about it. Like I said, I am content to just do my thing. Flow through life. Yeah.

Drink at the bar, all that stuff. And then all of a sudden, what pulled me in was the insult. Yeah. Was what Rachel said about me on Watch What Happens Live. And you know what's funny is that when that was- What'd she say again? She called me a starter pony. And even uh i i heard that's a starter pony i don't know maybe getting back on the horse after getting out of a relationship for the um for a long time like the first person that you like oh she you were her starter pony apparently okay i don't even know

what that means but okay yeah she learned it from sandoval. Any horse or pony. I heard like, okay. So I heard that he advised her to call me a starter pony. That's the rumor that she gave her. I didn't know what a starter pony was. So this is not a critique of Rachel. Starter pony merch. But I have a hard time believing that Raquel came up with that. Yeah, I heard that there's a rumor. It sounds like something a guy would come up with.

That's locker room talk. It seems very horse race related because it's a pony who leads the parade of the field from the paddock to the starting gate. So it's not actually running in the race, just like getting people to the start line of the race. So kind of what you were saying before. It's kind of like a jab at not just me,

but at Ariana as well. I mean, let's face it, you know, because she's an equestrian. She likes to ride horses. Yeah, that is true. But real quick quick we were speaking on sandoval's character and how you didn't think that see any problems with it before when it comes to raquel you've obviously known her for a long time whether it was working with her at sir or going on a couple of dates before all this came out how did you view her and see her character i thought she was an honest person i thought it was just you know she was just trying to make her way through life and find her footing so you know yeah i didn't see that other side of her now i look at some people like this has

caused me to really just kind of like look at people in a different light all of a sudden like it's i don't trust as well as i used to when was the last time you spoke to raquel or rachel uh since before yeah months ago months months ago you know and i don't want i don't like like i said this really has given me cause to pause on everything that has happened for me over the past 10 years you know what do you think is going to happen with the show going forward time will tell i that i have no idea i don't know what's going on i mean i honestly what do you hope like do you do you see this as an opportunity for maybe you to become a bigger part of the show uh yeah yes i do okay yeah in

your perfect world what would you let's say the the Vanderpump producers come to you and say, Peter, not only do we want you to be cast, but we want you to produce as well. Pitch us some ideas. Give us your vision of season 11 of Vanderpump Rules with Peter as cast. Give me some storylines. That, as far as that's concerned, me some storylines. I, that, as far as that's concerned, I have no idea because I don't know

what's going on. Let's just play around. I would have to, I'd have to start, well, first off, There's no bad, no bad ideas

in brainstorming, Peter. Okay, cool. Sounds good. So first thing I would probably do is start,

um, finding out what's going on in everybody else's life. Okay. Like, okay, so what's happening with someone, with the X person, you know, Z, Y, you know, Okay. Like, okay, so what's happening with X person,

you know, Z, Y, you know, A, B, C, down the list. And then I would probably want to, I probably want to focus it on, you know, the Sir brand more. I probably want to bring in some fresh faces, some new cast members. I would definitely cast in the restaurant because there's plenty of people that could probably make an impact

you know as far as um who would be good on the show uh and then and then find out where the where the drama can go from there okay you know i would definitely like start looking for some new some new faces though and you've seen the faces come and go. You've been on the show from afar, even from season one. Who do you think the show has changed the most? Everyone. If you had to pick one person where you were coming in, I never thought they would be like that. As far as...

Who surprised you? I guess Sandoval has the most. Because he started off as one person. I look at him as a totally different person now because of this whole incident. If Tom Sandoval was your best friend, how would you approach this situation? If he was my best friend, how would I approach it?

For example, Tom Schwartz, best friend, he has approached it one way uh-huh uh and that has been met with some criticism it has uh how would you have approached that as a friend well first off i would have told him you would you if you try to make an apology don't don't go after people that are saying oh don't uh you know like uh we're not going to go to the restaurant anymore that's you're not reading the room, right? You have to, the first person you have to go to and apologize to is Ariana, you know? And that's not something that he did.

That's something that is like, he didn't read the room, you know? And it's like, he didn't have any remorse. That's why I don't trust his apologies. Yeah. Because so the, the first thing that comes to your mind, isn't the person you hurt. It's your business. That's not good.

You know, it's like, uh, so we know where your priorities are and we know that you just didn't care about that relationship. So then why did you stay in it for almost 10 years? Yeah. Right.

Yeah. Am I wrong in saying that? No, no, it's true. Yeah. No, we'd love to years. Yeah. Right? Am I wrong in saying that? No. No, it's true. Yeah, we'd love to know. You know, as a manager at the Sur restaurants, I'm assuming there's been some, a bevy or a variety of just shenanigans that have gone on behind closed doors, so to speak.

Do you have any fun or crazy stories of maybe hookups that have never been told or just some crazy behind the scenes that i think all the fans of vanderpump rules would just be so thankful and of you sharing that story for fun. Wow. Well, that's a good one. A lot. I'm sure there's even more than one. We're happy to hear them all. Okay, well, so when I was a busser there,

I, okay, so I started off as a busser at Sir when I first became, when I first joined that particular particular workforce and uh yeah there was this one waitress that uh that that i hooked up with like actually she was a manager all right but yeah that was uh that was another anyway so yeah we ended up making out in the back room the like all that the office all that stuff you know so that was that's that was before the cameras were on okay did you ever catch anyone hooking up no i never caught anybody hooking up i remember once kristin wanting her tips and uh one of the other managers barricading themselves in the office and i remember stat like like when this was when i was first managing this was of course 2011 before the show started. And I was like, I see one of them run by and lock themselves in the...

Because the women's bath... We reconstructed a few things. So the women's bathroom where it is now was the office originally. It was originally an office and then we moved it more into the belly of the beast. So it's like, you got to go through a few areas to get to the office now, the data room. So they barricaded themselves in there. And at the time when we picked up tips, now the tips are all like, you know, put together in, in, in checks.

But before it was like, oh, you could pick up your tips on the next bit, you know, because we pull tips. So you pick up the chip, your tips in the next business day. because we pull tips. So you pick up your tips in the next business day. So the manager ran into the office and I'm here managing my section. And she walks over with the Kristen strut, just kind of like, and then start banging on the door. And we would have, like everyone would have to pick up tips from one o'clock till four. That was the time that you had because we had to start,

you know, getting the place ready to open. This was around eight o'clock in the evening. She's like, I need my tip. It was a little bit of a, it was a little bit of a crazy environment back in the day.

Definitely. Speaking of crazy environment, back at Sur, some of my favorite scenes are with Jax and James Kennedy. What are your thoughts on Jax and Brittany kind of getting back into the Bravo world? Jax getting back in the Bravo world.

Like he was on Watch What Happens Live. Yeah. He's kind of having a bit of a redemption arc, if you will. Yeah, do you think he'll be on the show again? I don't know. We'll see. Would you like him to be? Yeah.

I'm indifferent. I heard that he was saying some stuff about me behind my back. Like what? Oh, yeah. I'm not going to get into that. But I mean, it's just kind of mockery. And I'm just like, dude, what the hell did I do to you? So I decided, based on that information, to start a website called numberoneguy.com.

Did you? Yeah. What's that about? Well, I sell merchandise. So I start a pony candle, consolidate me candle, ain't no starter pony t-shirt, consolidate me t-shirt. Is this recent? I also have a Chihuahua follower cap on there. And it's the better one.

It's like, it's not all the letters. It's number one, the numeral one guy.com so back in early vanderpump rules jacks had like a very famous quote where he went after sandoval and was like they were very drunk and he was just like i'm the number one guy in this group like stop trying to be the number one guy in this group i'm the number one guy in this group uh what was that quote in game of thrones he used to say he's the king is not really the king. So for me once I heard that I was like yeah sure man. But then I just didn't

really care. You know what I mean? All this stems from me reacting to bullshit that people are like saying about me behind my back or to my face and I'm just like okay fine. You want you want me no gloves? Cool. Awesome. Do you feel like. And I have to you know you have to defend you want me no gloves cool awesome do you feel like

and i have to you know you have to defend yourself on some yeah for sure do you feel like that the main cast doesn't respect you the way they should uh i guess so and now they're finding out that oh peter because i i think that a lot of people because i'm a very nice guy but don't piss me off because then i'm going to come at you and it's not going to be pretty because I'm just going to keep going. So when you talk shit about me behind my back or to my face or call me a starter pony, whatever it is, I will, I'll say, okay, fine. You want me to retaliate? Then I will. I'm nice, but at the same time, don't piss me off. Do you think all the things that happened between you and Raquel earlier this season,

where do you think the genesis of that was? Do you think you were being used? Yeah, I do, actually. Okay. I've said that before. How did it all start? Was that something that was for the show? Or what were the origin stories of you and Raquel?

How did it all come to be? of you and Raquel like how did it all come to be um so last year around this time actually I was in Chicago actually it was in March of 2022 I was in Chicago and then all of a sudden these uh so I didn't update my Instagram app and then and Raquel put out a picture saying that the she put out a picture of some flowers saying, oh, the way the light hits these is question mark. So it was an emoji that I didn't have because my phone didn't update. The little alien thing.

Yeah, it was a question mark. And for me, when I read it, it was an instantaneous thing and I thought she was all like, oh, answer this portion. It was like, put a comment. That was a mad live. Yeah. So she was trying to get the comments and she was asking people to yeah but it was really an emoji but

that's not the way i read it because my phone didn't hadn't updated and i was all like perfection or something like that and then that comment just took fire and went off and everyone thought that we were dating at the time okay so then i called her i was like you know what let's go because i didn't even think about the internet things we're dating yeah there you go okay you know and uh and so we went out uh when i got back from chicago we went out and then um and she went on a couple of other podcasts and was all like oh you know i'm not really into peter blah blah blah and i was like okay cool whatever i don't care so you went out prior to the show? Yeah. Just once?

Yeah. No. So then about a couple weeks later, we randomly, actually it wasn't really random because I was introducing her to a potential, someone who needed like, what do you call it? An influencer. There you go. On Instagram or whatever. So I introduced her to this particular person. But me, I was, because I do real estate as well. So I was talking to him about this

particular house that he was looking to renovate or whatever. And we had checked it out before. And he was like, oh, let's go get a drink. I was like, well, okay, cool. And then she came in and we all sat down and I was like, all right, whatever. We sat down, we had some drinks. Then he had to leave. He had to go to Orange County. And then Raquel, I'm going to go back and revert to that because this was prior to this whole thing. Raquel was all like, oh, let's go get a drink somewhere.

I was like, okay. And then- She asked you for a drink. Basically, yeah. And I was like, okay, yeah. Park your car at my place and then we'll go out. There's a tequila tasting going on. I didn't realize because this was a Wednesday.

The tequila tasting was the next day at this particular spot. And so we went, we walked over and the place was closed. I was like, ah, damn. Well, let's go to Rocco's, right? She's like, do they have nachos at Rocco's? I was like, yeah, I think so. I don't know, right? Because she really wanted nachos.

That's where the whole thing came from on the show you know but she played it off like whatever i'm like dude you wanted nachos really badly you know what i mean like why are you trying to be a gentleman yeah why are you playing it off like like oh yeah peter didn't know dude you wanted nachos how did she play it off i can't remember it was on the first episode she's like whatever i'm like okay you're the one that was like talking about nachos the entire time like oh breaking news right here raquel is obsessed with nachos yeah we'll not shut up about nachos get that get that yeah so so they really have anything to eat and then i suggested okay fine let's go from Rocco's to Tom Tom's. She's like, are you sure you want to go there? I was like, why not?

So then we went, we had some dinner, we chilled. Your dinner? What did you guys talk about? Actually, I can't remember. I just remember us getting, what was it, carrot cake for my birthday. It was an early birthday because I love carrot cake. So she got me carrot cake for my birthday? It was an early birthday. Okay. Because I love carrot cake. So she got me carrot cake for my birthday.

I was like, oh, you know. Oh, so did she suggest to get you cake for your birthday? This feels like it must have taken a full day. This feels like a day. When did the person leave for Orange County? It's like five. Okay. And it's currently three in the morning because we've gone to 45 restaurants.

No, we didn't actually. We just went to two. And she suggested going to TomTom. I suggested going to TomTom. He suggested going to TomTom. She's like, are you sure you want to go? Yeah, exactly. Probably because like, hey,

do you want to be seen at TomTom's together? Yeah. But nevertheless, you had- Of course, someone comes up. I can't remember who it was, but someone comes up and was like, are you guys on a date? And Raquel was all like,

why do we have to label it? So we sat down, we ate dinner, we had some carrot cake then uh i took her back to my place you know i was expecting it and then we started making out and then she she was like i gotta go i gotta go home and so she ran away she ran after she ran to her car and got out of there yeah so was this in like april she didn't want to continue it so it felt like there was kind of a moment where she realized she was like, oh no, wait, this might escalate and I don't want it to escalate. So in that moment she was like, I'm going to remove myself. Yeah.

Was there a follow up conversation to that? Be like, hey, hope you got home okay. Basically, yeah. And she was all like, you know, I don't really want to be dating anyone, dating, dating anyone. I was like, oh, okay, cool. Like I said. And that was the last time you exchanged any fluids yeah basically but no actually no that's not the last time we exchanged fluids when was the last

time you exchanged the first night of filming when tom was asking me did you bang raquel that night okay when is everyone was all like oh you guys are making out in front of you know yeah that was on the show when is your birthday uh june 14th so first time you hit her up was in like march and then you guys went on a date then and then you went on another date in june and then it started filming i think it was yeah i think it was either june or early late may okay yeah yeah and what did you think when she started crying about having aged out of pageantry i don't remember what i was thinking i was just like i need to console this this girl because i was just like that sucks you know what i mean you're just kind of like not caught off guard but more like man i'm sorry you know what i mean do you think raquel and Tom Sandoval are a good match?

Time will tell, I guess. I don't know. But if you had to take a bet, like if they were going to last or not, what would you say? Nah. No? No. Here's a question that people haven't asked about. We've covered Tom.

It's been a challenge to find some redeeming qualities about Sandoval right now, but Raquel as someone who went on a date with her sounds like you had a pretty decent time and Perhaps if she didn't run away she she she she cried on my shoulder the first night. We went out back in that March Yeah, what was she crying about? Just everything the way everything's happened. You know she was crying about how like James moved on so quickly And so I thought it was like a genuine like whoa shit yeah you know well i mean listen then too there are plenty of people out there who can be sad about the things that happen to them while failing to to demonstrate empathy for the way they treat others i mean yeah it's kind of interesting actually you think about it. But do you see Raquel as, I guess, Tom's equal when it comes to low character?

Or do you, as someone who went on dates with Raquel and seemed to like the person and be interested in pursuing her, what are some of Raquel's redeeming qualities? Like, what nice things do you have to say about this person? Because I do believe that if people are willing it's really hard they can they can turn a corner and i think there's a lot of good in people who do bad things and then they're just bad people and which what how would what what silo would you put raquel in well i would have thought that she after all this has come out i don't know what redeeming qualities i could say about it you know it's like is it a total lie you know what i mean yeah i don't know what redeeming qualities i could say about it you know it's like is it a total lie you know what i mean yeah i don't know how you know or i don't i don't know i don't know it's like it was everything was everything because i do i do believe that i was a scapegoat now because i do believe that they were hooking up way way before we went on those days like a few

of those dates because you're not gonna hit me up tom sandoval i mean it's not gonna hit me up if it wasn't going on at that time yeah well i don't think his text messaging is interesting because if they were hooking up and having some kind of relationship it would suggest that tom sandoval does not trust raquel that's 100 yeah 100 and so there seems to be a lot of toxicity already yeah he was probably like I thought you said you didn't do that like and then it's on the show and you know and even Swartz on watch what happened live even talked about

there's already a lot of toxicity into that relationship and he even doubted it's sustainability yeah he said that she was his heroine yeah just crazy Schwartz said that like Raquel was like heroine. Yeah. Just crazy. Huh? Schwartz said that Raquel was like heroine to Sandoval.

He needed it. He's addicted to it. What? You missed that? I thought he said heroine, like his hero. His muse kind of thing? Like female hero. His heroine. Oh, you're my hero.

But now you're saying that it's like a drug? I believe he meant it. Honestly, Peter, when he first said that, that was my first thought. I quickly realized he meant the drug in a negative way. Oh, wow. But either way, I think the point kind of tracks either way. Yeah, either way, it checks. He is inspired by Raquel in a not so positive way.

That's interesting. I don't know. I mean, that. That's interesting. I don't know. I mean, like, that's like, wow. I don't mind, huh? Yeah. This entire time I thought that she was his hero, but now it's like, oh, she's a drug to. Okay.

Yeah. That's not going to last very long. Yeah. Yeah. To phrase like Nick's question, I guess differently because of course, like I bet you're questioning so many things like. Yeah, I am. Like without the knowledge of what you know now, when you were first like going on dates with her, like what was kind of the pull there?

Like in thinking about how this person might become heroin to people, like what are just those like beginning entry level initial attractors that she like possesses? I mean, I thought I liked her bubbly personality. I mean, I thought I, I liked her bubbly personality. I thought it was, you know, I thought that, you know, she was like, like loaded around and just kind of like had an amazing personality. And that's what attracted me to her, you know, is, you know, just kind of, yeah, just, I don't know. the reunion hasn't come out yet and there's a lot of talk about the reunion um and i know that most of the people went out the night after the reunion and i'm sure you can't say that much but is there anything about the reunion that you can give us today i can't i can't give anything describe it and just just like describe it without giving details like what was the environment what was the vibe i uh was the vibe? From second hand experience I know that it was very like

So you weren't there? No. Okay. From what I've heard, I know as much as you guys. Yeah. Why weren't you there? I don't know. That's a good question. Isn't it? What the fuck? I don't know. Yeah, what the fuck? That's a very good question.

Just sitting here now, you seem capable of making entertaining television you think yeah yeah i mean i don't know like it's just uh yeah i don't know why i have not been invited but you know what whatever you know i'm able to do this with y'all yeah you know and do you have a good relationship with the show? Like you, of course I do. Yeah. I mean, I have been,

I've been on it for 10 plus years now. I mean, 2011 when we first started, I was on the inception. I was part of it since the inception. And now I'm still, still going. What's your relationship with Brock?

I've gotten to meet Brock. I think he's a nice affable guy. I don't know him all that well. I consider Sheena to be a friend. I know Sheena a little bit more. Last week's episode, I thought that was a bit of a unique moment where like there was a scene at Brock's bachelor party where he had his like arms wrapped around Ariana. Am I saying that right too? Is it Ariana? Ariana? Ariana. Potato, potato.

Yeah. I don't want to butcher it. But it was like- I say Ariana. I say Ariana. You say Ariana. Yeah. What are your thoughts of Brock? Because there were,

there's current rumors going around that even Brock had some history with Raquel. Is that bullshit? Is that just like kind of the rumor mill kind of getting out of control or i think it's a rumor mill getting out of control you don't think there's anything there no okay but then again i've been wrong before but no i don't oh my god uh yeah no i've uh yeah i don't think i think that's just the rumor mill getting out of control okay you know i mean i don't think that brock would do anything like that he's very loyal so i think he's very

affable as a person just like you know yeah i've enjoyed a little bit i've got to meet him i've enjoyed him yeah so have i you know so and he and i have become really you know good friends okay so yeah i don't think there's anything to that to that rumor okay you know and a question for vanderpump rules stands we know that you've gone on dates with Katie, gone on dates with Stassi, and gone on dates with Raquel. So I dated Stassi. Dated Stassi, but just went on dates with Katie? We went on like one date and got wasted and made out.

Okay. That was it. That's like the extent of that. So out of the three of those, you would say you had like the most of a connection with like Stassi? Yeah. How long did you guys date for?

I'm going to say four months. Oh, okay. Four months, yeah four months and was that pre-jacks yeah it's pre-jacks this was that was 2009 a long time ago oh shit yeah that was a lot that was pre-show baby peter pre-jacks baby peter yeah i had short hair then. Oh, man. I don't think it looked like... I think longer short hair is both great. Thank you. But looking back now, you've obviously been on reality TV for 10 years, been around all these crazy characters,

worked in the industry for that long. What's one thing you think you wish you could tell Baby Peter back before all of this started? Oh, yes. So if I could go back and and uh and tell baby peter something it'd be like don't put up with their bullshit who's there at all jacks stassi you name it go down the list don't put up with any of their fucking bullshit and the thing is is that i didn't like with kristen it drove me to the edge and that's why you uh you see on like season three

why it said that you're're a detriment to this restaurant. Because she was buying drinks and having them get deleted at the end of the night. And she would be drinking them outside. She actually admitted to it in that staff meeting. She actually admitted to that. But it was worse because I think that they, uh, I don't,

I don't know if they played it. I have to go back and watch it. Rewatch the episode, but she was like getting pictures of sangria and drinking those with James Kennedy outside of the restaurant or, you know, she was just like, it seemed to waste it.

Turn a corner. And, and you were just on a podcast. It seems like you guys have reconciled. She and I get along very well. You know, Kristen seems like one of the people from, from the earlier franchise that really has,

I think Katie or Lala, Kristen, I've only known them in kind of this life, so to speak, but they seem like people who have decided to take maybe their bad decisions or regrettable moments and turn it into a positive or a plus, pause a plus not a plus um do you think raquel is capable of the same thing i hope so but i hope she's able to you know just kind of like realize what she did you know and admit to it no one's and she hasn't admitted to i mean has she apologized has she apologized she apologized to ariana already right uh It's unclear just how sincere it was.

But given that you don't think, it doesn't seem like you think much of Tom Sandoval, and you hope Raquel can turn a corner. If you ran into Raquel and you got stuck in an elevator with her, you had one minute, 60 seconds, to give her a bit of advice with the idea that you genuinely hope that this advice will help her better her life what would that advice be i would probably

tell her something along the lines of you should admit that you really fucked up you should admit that you know you you appreciate some friends and you're going to try to amend some relationships. And then you should probably disappear for a while and just kind of work on yourself. Because it sounds like you didn't get over your ex-fiance, James Kennedy, and then you try to jump into something else and you try to be something that you weren't

or were you this entire time? Were you? Because I heard rumors about that too. You should kind of work on yourself first before anything else. Do you think James is over Raquel? Yeah. You do. After all, especially after all this. I mean, like Tom Sandoval, did he buy the ring or buy the venue or something?

Yeah, he paid for a lot of the proposal logistics. That's really weird to me. Oh, did you find it odd that Sandoval was paying for- Yeah, I did, actually. And especially looking back on it, especially after that text message and, you know, like I'm hanging out at Coachella because, you know, once that hit Reddit, it's like, oh, Tom and Raquel were making out. Everyone thought it was Schwartz because, again, nobody thought it would be Sandoval, right?

Am I right? So I'm thinking way before now, if you think about it. Yeah. But then why would Sandoval spend all that money just to lose it? Yeah.

I mean, I guess you could take it as a loss. Maybe he just thought it was a good cover. I mean, yeah, I guess it would be. And then all of a sudden she's like, oh, no, I can't do this. Yeah, because videos of the last reunion where her and James announced that they're calling off their engagement are going around right now on TikTok. And it's showing everybody's super in shock and everybody's in shock besides Sandoval. So people are like, is that why they called off the engagement? Did he get upset at one point about James and and raquel talking about their relationship and he got

like very emotional weird that is weird so if you had to pick when you think it started when do you think it started uh 2021 between raquel and sandoval that's what i'm thinking i mean it's like because of like you know him paying for the him paying for the engagement party, and then all of a sudden him not being shocked by her saying, oh, it's off at the reunion. Yeah, I don't think- And then them making out in Coachella, because we know it wasn't Schwartz because he even said it. He wasn't there, and I know he wasn't there.

So all of this, and then of course my text message. All this compiled, yeah, I think it was way before. Yeah, I don't think Tom Sandoval's money motivated. I think he's attention motivated. Yeah. So like, he can borrow a quarter of a million dollars from his mom and treat it like, you know. So I think him paying for,

he likes the attention of the gesture. Oh, you're so amazing for doing that. Yeah, exactly. Boom. There it is. There it is. In the cover. Well, before we let you go, Peter,

and we thank you for your time, do you have any final thoughts that you want to share with our audience about this whole scandal or, you know, just, you know, things, the lasting impression you want to leave with our audience, you know, maybe about the future of the show or yourself or whatever it is? The lasting impression.

Hmm. I don't know. I just keep watching. Keep watching. Keep watching. Thank you for watching. Thank you for, thank you for being part of this journey because I, I, I love that you all are part of this journey because it's my, you know, it is my journey as well.

And thank you for participating in this journey with me. All right, man. Well, we appreciate it. Thank you so much. We appreciate you for participating in this journey with me. All right, man. Well, we appreciate it. Thank you so much. We appreciate you coming on. Absolutely. All right. That was something.

I feel like I just worked a shift at Sir, sitting next to Peter and the manager the whole time. And there was some alcohol, some sweat, some drama. It was literally like an episode of antipop rules in a way, a force of nature. Yeah. That is not what I was expecting him to be like. I don't know.

He was in full caricature mode. Yeah. Yeah. But I don't know if it's that. I think that's just his authentic self. He was also very angry at like certain people. I think he has like a lot of of i think he has a lot going on yeah apparently pump might be closing and you asked him that yeah we started recording and

he got a little cryptic yeah and then him talking about his relationship with diana i thought he was going to talk about like how he was like in love with her or something but it seems to be it's a business relationship so i don't know maybe something happened with like the pumps or family in his position doesn't this all this recent drama have a chance to resurrect popping i've never been there and it not be popping yeah and the location is incredible um maybe they're like rebrand maybe doing another type of restaurant i have no, but something that stood out to me throughout that interview was when he was talking about his relationship with Diana

and something changing and him being heartbroken. I feel like maybe he doesn't work at Sir anymore. I feel like that's what he was alluding to. And that's why he was saying he was starting a podcast and had a meeting at one, but he didn't say anything about going like to sir yeah no i think but that's just off of context clues i have no information i think you might be right yeah because he almost looked a little teary-eyed when he was talking about that

i don't know like it was like sweat or like teary-eyed but um something about his relationship with diana and his relationship with the work seemed off. We'll see. Any other debrief? I think he's really nostalgic about being on the show and the times that he's had at the restaurant and he enjoyed talking about that but sometimes you couldn't get the answer. Yeah, well it seems like also

it's complicated for him because he's kind of half in, half out in the sense that he's on the cast but he's the manager and there's some stuff he's included in, some because he's kind of half in half out in the sense that he's on the cast but he's the manager and there's some stuff he's included in some stuff he's not included in and he's close enough

for people to talk shit about him and for it to be hurtful but not always but not close enough to get invited to the reunion and so and he's always like

on the show but not on the show right yeah and from the beginning yeah yeah like he was on the

very first episode and like it's season 10 and he's still not like on on the show which is kind of wild's season 10 and he's still not like on the show. Which is kind of wild because he is certainly a character. Yeah, definitely. Oh my. He needs to do a brand deal with Gasparilla.

Is that how you say it? The pirate party? The pirate party. Absolutely. He should be the president of Tampa for that day because that was the most passion we got out of him. When he was describing it as you go and you party and you dress like a pirate and you just get obliterated, having never met him before, I immediately knew that that was his calling. Yeah. That is where he needed to be. Definitely. Every day for the

rest of his life. For sure. But yeah, that was interesting. What were your thoughts on him? I feel like we all should have maybe also taken a shot. I thought it was a bit unhinged, you know? Yeah. I just, it's just fascinating. Yeah. you know yeah i just uh is this fascinating yeah you know he he shared that tn christian's podcast generously shared it with us again i and i feel like he just i don't think he knows much you know i think he would share what he knows if he knew more yeah but i think he's being kept in the dark on a lot i mean he literally wasn't at the reunion at the reunion and i don't think he's like in any inner circles amongst the main cast yeah i agree certainly a fun listen i hope you all enjoyed it before we get to texting office hours i do have a question for you

before we get to sweating the wedding sweating the wedding oh yeah we're calling it sweating the wedding oh because yeah yes our new segment debut amanda's very excited okay we're basically gonna decide it's it's a wedding drama okay and we're here to solve wedding drama before we do i have a question back on on the natalie photo shoot she took these beautiful photos and then we took a couple quick photos and we took um a very just a cool photo she had this idea i Actually, well, we're among friends. But like this photo, kind of sexual, kind of hot, just the two of us, little kind of Tumblr-ish.

And like Natalie wanted to like make it into a print and put it in our bedroom, you know? And I have like in my house, I dabble in photography. So I have like pictures. You have some gorgeous shots of loved ones. Yeah, of family members and some of Natalie. And then like in our bedroom we have you know pictures of us and jeff but like what's the level of like narcissism is appropriate if you don't have children right you know someday nanny and i very much hope to be parents like having children is a

huge party for both of us and we hope to do that you know i guess soon ish up until that point like i have opinions on this what is what is okay in terms of like printing out and framing pictures of yourselves if it's only the two of you and like you know again like we're in our i guess guess, golden era, so to speak. And it's a cool, hot photo. It's a type of photo that we've probably, you saw in magazines and be fun to recreate. How is it okay?

And what level, when you go into someone's house and they have pictures of themselves, how much is too much? It all kind of circles back to Vanderpump Rules. Sheena in her old apartment just had a bunch of massive framed photos of herself on her wedding day. Lisa Vanderpump has massive framed photos of herself.

I think that's a little weird, but when it comes to a couple and it being an artsy great photo like that, I think it's dope and I don't think that it's super narcissistic especially if you don't have kids I mean this gets a little dark and deep I lost my mom when I was 20 and pictures of her and my dad and just pictures in general I hold so close to my heart because that's all that I really have left and I think celebrating photos

of you and a loved one especially if it's artsy and cool and hanging it up is so well warranted and I don't think that's weird at all maybe if it was just a shirtless photo of you in you alone framed above your bed I mean to each their own it would be weird but if it's of a couple I think that's completely fine enough I in my like my photography wall like I have some pictures of Natalie, but I have them up. Yeah, exactly. I took them and I printed them.

Of course. It's like not... Yeah, no, I think it's cool. And the photo that you just showed, it's artsy. It's cool and sexy. Anyway, yeah. Yeah, I agree.

I was curious your opinion. Pop off in the comments if you have them regarding how much is too much when it comes to pictures of yourself and your partner if you don't have kids and how much is too much. Because the thought is, it's like it's fine when you're there, but when you have company,

it's like you feel like you have to explain yourself. I don't think so. There's a wall of narcissism. Yeah, I know. You know, but yeah. But we have that stuff in the bedroom which is like you know and like not that our bread room is off limits to company but we don't really entertain in the bedroom you know besides each other oh sorry yeah um no yeah this is where the magic happens yeah exactly also that was a callback i'm not just making awkward no no my boss's bedroom yeah anyways i think it's fine all right let's get to uh what are we calling it sweating the

wedding sweating the wedding all right how's it going good how are you good what's your name uh my name is emily i'm 25 um i've been invited to a wedding and I have three options. Who to take as a plus one and I don't know who to choose. All right. Well, great. Let's see if we can help you get to that solution. So what are your three options? So the first option is a longtime friend since childhood. My second option is a hinge date date and the third option is myself okay and is the longtime friend like chemistry is there chemistry is it same gender different gender than you is it a potential date or would it just be friends like is there more than just saying a longtime friend uh more to that so we initially decided that we were going to be each other's wedding dates for this year but then he told me he loved was in love with me and hasn't talked to me since well that's one way of showing um you that he loves you when did he

tell you he was in love with you uh We went out for drinks to catch up. We haven't seen each other in a while. So we were just talking. How long ago was that? Oh, about a month ago. About a month ago. And when he said, I'm in love with you, what was your response? I don't think I even had a response.

Yeah, that was the response. That's why i giggled yes okay um and real quick so when you guys decided to be each other's wedding dates for the next year which is a netflix movie in the making essentially um did you have a little bit of like oh this could be fun because he's cute maybe i can explore our feelings a little bit or are you just like okay well let's just be each other's plus ones because we were really good friends. We have great time together. A little bit of both.

OK, yeah. So I like I I think that there's all like potential there. But I've never I feel like I've never let myself really go there. OK, why not? I don't know. We just we we haven't we just didn't run in the same circles anymore. Okay. Well, this is actually almost good news.

Yeah. So to clarify, you're not totally against the idea of turning this longtime friend into a potential romantic partner. Correct. What percentage of you is open to this idea? Literally 50-50. Okay. That's pretty high. Yeah.

Pretty high. But real quick, when you said he hasn't spoken to you since, have you tried reaching out and he's ignoring you? Yes. And he kind of said, I just need to clear my head. Okay. But we haven't really talked about the whole he loves me situation. But also, how did you reach out? Did you pretend that nothing...

I called him and texted him. And to like hang out? Did you address... You just pretended it didn't happen. Okay. So you're both great communicators. I said, we need to talk about this oh you did oh okay are you just yes you did okay we've been friends for so long i didn't think it was

something just uh okay but you only said we need to talk about this do you have the exact message actually so i said we need to talk and he said about question mark and i and i put it and then i called him and he didn't he didn't okay respond yeah all right so then i texted him later and said and i said i don't know why you're not talking to me um he got a new job i just i saw that he got a new job i said congratulate, I saw that he got a new job. I said, congratulate, congratulations on your position. I'm proud of you. It's well deserved.

He said, you don't know how much it means to me. I'm sorry. Doesn't cut it, but I am, I'm struggling mentally. I feel like I need to heal before. First and foremost, since I know that can be pretty unfair.

What'd you say in response to that? I said, I understand where you're coming from. Thanks for letting me know. And that was it. Real quick, what is he healing from? Because he said, I need to heal before getting into something. I'll tell you what. But he said, I need to heal before getting into something new.

So did he just get out of something? And then he said he loved you? My interpretation is he feels very much rejected by you because you literally said nothing so he is assuming that you don't feel he is unaware of this 50 50 so to speak and when you say we need to talk he is taking that as you as a friend are saying we need to talk to address that so we can continue being friends and he's saying I'm not ready to be your friend yet again I need to heal on the fact that

I said I'm in love with you and you gave me literally nothing in return yeah okay I misunderstood the text thank you for um translating that I needed that well I'm also translating it to you because it seems like you've kind of missed that as well I kind of felt that but well i kind of felt that

but i just didn't think that i need to push push it anymore well but it's not pushing it well it's not pushing it you're i mean i'm mad like i'm not trying to criticize you but yeah like what i would have loved for you to do is say i would have loved for you to text him or maybe left him a voice note because that's, they could even hear your tone and say something like, Hey, first of all, I just want to thank you for being so open and honest with me. I know that wasn't easy. I'm sorry. I was caught off guard and I'm sorry if my reaction came across as like kind of completely uninterested in that but to be totally honest uh well i am not sure exactly how i feel about this i have thought about the possibility of us like being more than just friends and i would love to talk more about that possibility and oh my god

he would have dropped the ball he would have just like completely changed the dynamic because if you think about it i mean speaking from my perspective when ego is involved and you you you tell somebody you love them and they're like cold and kind of like uh i don't know my ego is so bruised and like then i'm like okay now i have to protect myself like i have to put my walls back up and so think about if the roles were reversed and you did this to him and that's how he reacted that's probably how he's feeling

currently and you know exactly what Nick said you don't need to go about it and be like yeah like I love you too but you could be like hey like this is a lot I value our I care about you I value our friendship and I'm willing to explore but I want to know what that looks like and kind of talk about it a little bit more yeah and if you've ever listened to the show you know how i feel about like friendships once someone decides to kind of cross that line like

your friendship as you know it will never be the same yeah maybe like in like several years later who knows but most likely several years later if you guys don't end up together you'll end up with other people and this friendship just won't exist in its current form. So you literally have nothing to lose if you're interested in exploring this. All right, let's table this for a second. Hinge guy. Tell me about hinge guy. So we've been kind of going on a couple of dates.

And then he actually ended it before today. But I was wondering, is it still a possibility to go as friends? Okay, all right. Immediate no. Okay, we're over a hinge guy. I've seen one. I needed to see it. No, we're not using a wedding invitation to resurrect a short-term relationship.

Oh, not to even resurrect it what about a wedding date says let's be friends i don't know and like do you want it i could go as friends no do you want to be friends with like a random hinge man that you didn't succeed with yeah like yeah what about him says let's be pals i mean we had like oh we just I don't know we had fun like even if it doesn't not even if it's not going anywhere do you still want to be his friend but if he said okay

let's give this another try would you be interested in it like do you still have feelings for this hinge man no no okay no so then I don't think it wasn't that deep yeah okay so then don't bring him to the wedding yeah we hate okay option, not an option. All right. What's option three?

Option three is go by yourself. Myself. Yeah. Love that option. Which I really don't necessarily want to do. Always a great option, but not your first option. Correct. Okay.

Here's the answer. It's simple. I think you reach out to the friend. Don't not bring up the answer. It's simple. I think you reach out to the friend. Don't not bring up the wedding. That's too much to fucking unpack after he thinks. But I think you send that message. And if you're open to like a voice note rather than text, I think that can be, you can ensure that tone

and him receiving it in the way that you mean it rather than him reading it in his feelings. So send the voice memo and say something like, hey, I've been thinking a lot about what you said. And first off, I want to thank you for being so vulnerable. I know that wasn't easy. Also, I want to apologize for reacting the way I did. I was just really caught off guard. And I'm assuming my reaction felt a lot like rejection.

If I'm being honest, I have thought a lot about the possibility of us being more than just friends. I can't say that my feelings are as strong as you said yours were, but I would really like to get together with you and talk more about this because no matter what, you mean so much to me and I want to see if there's anything more discussed rather than just saying goodbye to what we have. And then, assuming he gets all excited and hopefully still is in love with you, you guys meet up and you just kind of just talk and have a fun date. Don't bring up the wedding. If the first get together goes really well, reach out to him and say, I have a crazy idea. What if our first official date, you come with me as a guest this wedding?

Again, I really want to emphasize that if we explore this, I need to take things slow and I don't want to get ahead of ourselves. And I hope that's okay with you. I need you to understand that while I'm interested in this, I am not sure about this. And you guys already agreed to be each other's wedding dates as well.

But I love the way that you phrase that about um your first date being that and so wanting to take it slow i think that's great would you feel comfortable doing a voice note i'd probably prefer that i'm not i don't like texting good oh i i agree i don't think tone comes across very well i like to either see hop on a phone call or yeah you can literally type it out and then practice it on your voice memo you know what I'm saying you can make sure it's a home run yeah

and like whenever you have options you came into this call saying you have three options but deep down did you know that you wanted to go with the number one first the friend kind of I guess because we know each other. Yeah.

And I feel a lot more comfortable. Yeah, even just your tone when you're talking about all the other options. It's like, it seems like number one is the way to go. And you probably were reluctant to ask him because

he's not talking to you right now, but he's not talking to you right now because he's unaware of 50-50. Yeah. Yeah. We're going to have Amanda email you exactly what I think you should say.

Yeah, you can have it up on your laptop. Hold your phone. And then send us the Instagram picture of you guys at the wedding together. Oh, and then we definitely want to follow up, even if it doesn't go. Because listen, there is definitely a chance that he overplayed his hand. And like many boys and men before him have overstated his feelings and got carried away or was this like having a moment of weakness and and other things in his life were going well and put that all into saying you know what fuck it i'm just gonna tell her i'm in love with her and then felt rejected

so i don't think it's that okay but i'm just saying like. But yeah. Just, I always think people should like, you know, go into something, not, nothing's a guarantee. So. I need to work on that. Just prepare yourself for any possibility and allow him to have a somewhat similar reaction than you have. Cause you know, he's probably going to be shocked. So give him a day or two, a process.

Like I, cause I say that because there's a you know you have a lot of power right now in the sense that he was so vulnerable and you and and subconsciously you feel like your ego feels like it's in control but the moment you show some vulnerability if he doesn't respond the exact way that your ego is expecting that power dynamic is going to immediately shift and you can like just go off the rails yeah don't go off the rails just you know give let hit let it marinate get he's allowed a couple days to process your voice memo and maybe make some plans for yourself so that way you have something to do instead of ruminate because like i would for sure be like torturing they might respond right away but like but yeah just like have something on the back burner so like you have something to look forward to or just like something to

fill your time so you can't marinate too much and what ifs and i am guessing you won't have to wait that long but just in case so let's say he doesn't respond at all then i'd wait three or four days and then i would text him a follow-up and saying, hey, just checking in. Coward. No. Oh my god, Amanda. That's my go-to whenever he can't respond to my messages. I say, coward. Don't say that. It's funny, but don't do it. It's not appropriate. I'd give them a few days and after a few days, follow up and say, hey,

I just wanted to check in. I'm like, chicken, steak, or vegetarian option. Give them a few days, but then you're allowed to push you're allowed to push for an answer okay you got this but give it at least 72 hours thank you guys

alright Amanda's gonna email you your lines okay good I'm gonna need that but in exchange we demand a follow up please okay when is the wedding? yeah when's the wedding? I'm going to need that. But in exchange, we demand a follow-up. Yes. Okay.

When is the wedding? Yeah, when's the wedding? The end of May. Amazing. Perfect. So it's coming up. Amazing. It's going to be great. I can't wait for photos.

You can do it. Me too. You got it. If not, I'll send you a selfie. Of course. And assuming he's still very excited, your challenge is going to be making sure that he understands that while you're interested you need to take it slow and he needs to be okay with that

and you two have a lot to get to know about each other despite being each other's lives since the very beginning because you don't know each other as romantic partners and you both need to be open to learning about each other and not assuming you know everything about each other agreed okay cool noted okay good luck thank you god we're rooting for you all right bye-bye bye robin this has been so fun thank you i love it here i don't want you to leave i know i'll just move in i mean i like the green is there anything i know we have to get going we've been recording for a while Anything you anything we didn't talk about

That was like burning in your mind Oh I want to say something or actually First of all answer the question No it's okay go on Can we put some respect And Ben Affleck's name Okay so I live in Boston And

He is essentially like the mayor, the president, the biggest person to come out of Boston. So I'm a Ben Affleck girly and I have a lot of respect for him. And something that's so Boston about him that I love is like when him and JLo get in like arguments, like on the red carpet or like at these award shows when the camera's on them and it's not serious arguments it's just like

you know bickering with your partner like he does not hide that and I think we should respect that more like I I like it I saw a clip of him speaking what I what I understand to be Spanish pretty fluent Spanish fluent in Spanish and I just Like the man is so Incredibly talented He's put out such Amazing content Both as a director And as an actor

From Argo To Good Will Hunting His new movie Air Yes I haven't seen it But heard it's phenomenal It's incredible

Yeah Obviously he's struggled With alcoholism But I He's like this He's like this Butt of jokes For so many people

i just feel like we should put more respect around ben affleck's name also with addiction to be in this industry like that's something that we should look at him as and be like that's incredible that he's continued to work on that and get out of that like to have success and have everything in the world and to still be struggling mentally is a very difficult position to be in and he's working on himself and continues to work on himself and i think that's admirable yeah like why i just don't understand is it a is it a gender thing like why are we so willing to like have him be the butt of jokes while struggling with everything i think he has part of his charm is his relatability like you know the photos of him carrying all the Dunkin' Donuts?

You're like, yes, I love you because you're a person. So much of what we're saying. But 20 people mock him for stuff like that at the same time. People don't look at him like Leonardo DiCaprio or Brad Pitt and I feel like they have similar like, Ben has done so much great work.

The Town? He's a leading man. Oh my god, The Town. that is like my porn as like a boston girl the town the departed yeah that's just like well he wasn't in the departed i know but that's those type of movies yeah yeah his best friend was though yes his frenemy um yeah no i think we should put respect on his name also can we talk about who celebrities should be with like it was like reese witherspoon like yes it was celebrity pitch me a pr relationship swift yes for these single celebrities do you have any predictions on taytay so i think that she is going to obviously i think

it's so corny when people are like her breakup oh my god we're gonna get like such a good album like i think that shit is so corny a lot of her narratives so corny but I do think we're gonna get good music I think she should either write a film or a play that has to do with her music and like all of her albums and like weave it into like if it was Broadway

I think she could get like an EGOT like a musical or write more TV or movies and get more into like writing other than songwriting after she's done like ruling the world. And I think she should end up with very much like a Prince Harry, like a royal or a Kennedy. I know she's dated a Kennedy in the past.

I think she should end up with somebody of like massive status that just isn't fame. I think she'll do that for a moment. But regardless, I think she should be with a businessman beau, somebody who like has their shit and their own identity so like she doesn't get lost in it my only prediction is that he's gonna have a burgess accent because i've heard from very reliable sources that it's it's

not a coincidence the number of english-speaking boyfriends she's had i wish you could say prince harry but that's a whole other story that's what we talked about the last time oh my god no offense prince harry does not deserve Taylor Swift. I know, but that would be iconic. It would. It would be iconic. It would be iconic. Yeah.

But then. I think it's beneath Taylor. I don't disagree. Especially after this past year. I know, but like if if Taylor Swift dated a prince,

I'm thinking concept. Oh yeah. Concept. Sure. Is he the only prince out there? Well, no, that's why I said

I think she should date a prince or like a Kennedy. Hmm. Somebody of like thinking concept oh yeah concept sure is he the only prince out there no that's why i said i think she should date a prince or like a kennedy somebody of like iconic like status but she's she's like i said earlier in this podcast independently she is a fucking incredible super successful woman so i don't think she needs to be with a guy but i thought reese i think i i actually thought of one earlier let me think um oh trevor noah oh yeah whoa yeah i think she should be with trevor noah can you guys see that oh i can't not see it yeah i think she'll be with somebody in the industry because she is an industry girly and this is my toxic trait. But I loved her in Ryan Phillippe,

like Cruel Intentions. Cruel Intentions. I mean, I was raised on that shit. Like the best. So in my mind, I'm like, would they ever get back together? But I think they're great co-parents but I think she could do like a Trevor Noah.

Okay. Olivia Wilde. Do you think that there was infidelity in that relationship because it's harry no i'm sorry jason sudeikis yeah because oh was that like a freudian slip just the pettiness between the two of them doesn't track i think there was infidelity um i also think that they're two very very different people with how they are in the media and stuff and like if your ex went with harry styles and like took the kids i think there's reasons for it to be kind of messy and petty but um i can see olivia wilde going young again and like this would never happen but like imagine if she like went on a date with like

Shawn Mendes which is like the lower Harry no offense to Shawn Mendes but yeah I can see her going with somebody younger again somebody in the industry but I don't really have anybody interesting for her because I'm not the biggest fan of her but yeah and then maybe as a finale as a Bostonian Tom Brady I think Tom Brady should date there's two directions like i could think of like a camilla marone obviously she just dated brad pitt she's in daisy jones and the six she's very beautiful and successful and she's from argentina his last place from brazil i can see him dating somebody like her but i still am holding out hope that he goes on a date with kim kardashian i said that on tiktok and it like went viral but I still am holding out hope that he goes on a date with Kim Kardashian.

I said that on TikTok and it went viral. But one date. I don't think it would ever go anywhere, but I can see one date happening. I can see that. My prediction for Tom Brady is that he is just going to be, whether we get to see it or not, he is just going to be a massive fuckboy for at least a year. I mean, yeah. He's Tom fucking Brady. Or he'd be like Steve Carell in Crazy Stupid Love.

Where he's a little lost and he's like, I don't know what to do with my wife. He's the quarterback of all time. He doesn't need the help of Ryan Gosling. I don't need to meet at Century City Mall and eat pizza. High school quarterbacks on bad teams get more action than they can handle tom brady arguably one of

the more handsome handsome guys out there has all the money in the world and all the fame he's not steve carell from stupid crazy love he's i just think of that video of him running during a training camp where he's like and he's like so vulnerable and awkward like he's a little i feel like when people are very very very good at one thing they might be a little awkward in other areas of their life

and I think he is that but he definitely does not need any help with women it won't matter yeah yeah it just doesn't matter and then real quick to actually wrap it up

Ariana who we think Ariana might be with this is a random hot take but I can low-key see her dating Zac Efron because I was on zach efron's instagram the other day and he's kind of like not flamboyant but like a little out there has the mustache is into like wilderness remember when you did that whole like netflix show type of vibe i can see

ariana going on a date with and zach efron okay everybody heard it heard it here first. Might seem a little out of the ordinary, but I'm not usually wrong with my predictions. And I just have a weird feeling that that might come to fruition. We'll make that a TikTok. That's going to go viral. Yes. Let's make it happen.

TikTok. All right. Well, Robin, we could go on and on, but we have to let you go. Thank you so much. Oh, what do you think of the new, what do you think of the rebrand? When I i walked in i love it because it feels very much at ease and calming and to get people to be vulnerable in a setting like this these are

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