The Viall Files - E586 Vanderpump Finale Recap with Charli Burnett and Kate Aurthur

Episode Date: May 23, 2023

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Vanderpump Recap Edition! Today we are joined by Vandepump cast member Charli Burnett and journalist Kate Aurthur to break down the shocking and infamous Vanderpump Season 10 Finale. We talk to Charli about her friendship with Raquel and the rest of the cast, and what finally gave the affair away. She is extremely generous with telling us what Raquel and Sandoval were hoping to have happen after revealing their love for one another, and what Season 11 is going to look like if Ariana refuses to film with either of them. Kate provides invaluable knowledge having covered all of the seasons of Vanderpump, and recently having published a Scandoval article for Variety.  “I think they were getting off on being sneaky.”  Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes. Join us for our new LIVE show on Thursdays at 9PM ET/6PM PT on Amp, available in the Apple app store. Android User? Listen here: https://www.onamp.com/  To Order Nick’s Book Go To: http://www.viallfiles.com  If you would like to get some texting advice on Office Hours send an email to [e-mail] with “Texting Office Hours” in the subject line! To advertise on the show, contact [e-mail] or visit https://www.advertisecast.com/TheViallFiles  THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Storyworth - Give all the “fathers” in your life a meaningful gift you can both cherish for years to come - StoryWorth! Right now, for a limited time, you can save $10 on your first purchase when you go to https://www.storyworth.com/viall ZocDoc - Go to https://www.Zocdoc.com/VIALL and download the Zocdoc app for FREE. Then find and book a top-rated doctor today. Many are available within 24 hours. Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @charliburnett @kateaurthur @alison.vandam @liffordthebigreddog @dereklanerussell

you're crazy what's going on everybody welcome back to another very exciting and special episode of the vile files vanderpump finale recap edition i'm so excited we have a full house with us today obviously we have the household of Allie Amanda and Derek with us and we have some very very special guests we have Charlie Burnett with us part of the what some have called the greatest episode of reality TV television of all time and you were on it yeah so you are potentially a part of history well i mean it was a lot the show and the episode was crazy and i was a part of it for like four seconds but i was a part of the whole process and i was there more than probably was

shown but um yeah it was i think that unfortunately it was a great end to the season and did bring a lot of traction that I felt like we haven't had in the last two seasons, which is very unfortunate that bad things bring ratings, but that's just kind of what it is in this world. The nature of the beast. Yeah. We also have Kate Arthur with us who dropped an amazing piece. Kate is with Variety and she dropped a wonderful expose. How would you describe it, Kate? Just an article.

Just more than just an article. It's more like a profile of Scandival. Yeah. Thank you. Yes, I tried to. Yes, I am obsessed. And Variety typically deals with the more highbrow celebrities. And yet this piece obsessed with round of prom rules and, and, and everything. How long have you been with variety? Since August, 2019.

I was at Buzzfeed news, RIP for six and a half years before that. Buzzfeed news, low key put out some very good articles, like in a way that I feel like most people associate Buzzfeed with like listicles, but the Buzzfeed news, they would do really thorough

background, well-researched timelines. Thank you. And you've been, Kate, a Bravo super fan for some time. Is it safe to say? Since the first episode of Real Housewives of Orange County. Yes. An expert. I saw a screener of it and I was like, this is it. So being the

historian that you are, how would you rank this episode and I guess this season of Vanderpump as a whole? I should have prepped for that. This has been an incredible season of Vanderpump Rules and of reality television. And I have to say, I'm a big Succession fan. And to have the two shows on at the same time, giving me different kinds of things. I've been like, what did I do to deserve this?

What did any of us do to deserve this? It's truly a dream. It is. The quality content. The journalism dream. Yeah. And they're quite different, but they're riveting in the same way, I would say.

Also, don't forget, next week is Memorial Day week, and we are going to give you that day off. So we're going to move our Ask Nick and our Freestyles a day. So Ask Nick will be on Tuesday, Freestyle on Wednesday. We'll keep going deeper on Thursday. And don't forget to check out our update special on Vile Files Classic for everyone to hear this Friday. It's a big week. We can't wait for you to hear it all.

Charlie, how did you end up on the show? I had a little different journey with the show and I think that kind of explains my place on the show. A producer came to me and said I want you to be on this show. It's about young people living in

LA and you're at this time too. I was a working actress. I was doing really good in my career. And he said, there's this show and it's going to follow young people around in LA. It's nothing like everyone's seen before. Blah, blah, blah. And I liked the people. Didn't think anything of it. They called me two weeks later. They're like, hey, it's for Vanderpump Rules. And I was like, what? That's not what I thought I was getting myself into. They asked me to come meet, come and do like interviews again. I came into the interview because that's what you do. You show up. And I honestly didn't think I was going to be on the show. I kind of like made it as a good joke to myself because I was like,

oh, I'm not going to be on this. There's no place for me here. I don't fuck other people's boyfriends. I don't do anything like I just I like to have fun. I party. I have a good time. Like that's just who I am as a person. And then they were like, Lisa wants to see you. And I was like, what the hell? What? OK. And my agents were like, you're going to go meet Lisa and you can't say no to her. And I met up with her and she was like, you now work at Sir and you're on Vanderpump Rules. And I was like, what do you mean? I'm not on the show. And I think I even filmed like an episode or two and I got a call time and I was like, I'm not on the show. I'm like, I'm not on it. And they're like, yeah, you are. You signed a contract. And

I signed a contract that I thought it was like a photo release form and I signed a contract for a year so I had a film and then that's kind of how it started and I uh so many questions yeah so that's why it's kind of weird for me because it's like everyone you know makes these comments or says things it's like I never did anything to get on this show. Like I didn't do anything mean. I didn't go out of my way. I kind of came in very, very naive, which was a big mistake on my part. Like now watching reality TV and now I'm watching all these shows. I'm like, you are such a little stupid girl. Like you had no idea what you were doing or what the beast you were getting yourself into. I think my politicking would have been different. I probably would have been friends with different people like i definitely should

have done my research and anyone out there before you get on any reality show do your homework and make sure you are committed and you know what you're doing and you're up for the challenge because gonna be that kate has a question for what uh so you're their sole survivor of that disastrous attempt to put new blood in the show and that's where i was confused because i didn't know i was getting myself into and i i walked into this like i'm gonna make all these new friends and not knowing that people like dana and danica have been working at these places and have also been fans of the show. So it was very cutthroat.

You know, everyone was fighting for this spot and this chance. And I came in there just wanting to party, which was not like everyone had a mission. And that's when I learned what storylines were and that people would do things on camera. And I just didn't. It was all a learning process for me and now I'm here and I'm like wow I would have done things a hundred percent differently this season you you were you seem to be homies with Rachel I guess I've known Rachel it's so funny well after last night's watch what happens I feel we're just...

I think that everyone's just going with it. I mean, that's your name, I guess. I've been guilty on this show of going between Ariana and Ariana. Last night's episode, Tom Schwartz called her Ariana. Tom Sandoval called her Ariana. What do you call her? Ariana. Ariana.

I mean, Ariana. I don't know. I feel like called her Ariana. What do you call her? Ariana. Ariana. I mean, Ariana. I don't know. I feel like it's Ariana. I feel like Schwartz and Lisa call her Ariana. Lisa is British, of course, so she can say things however she wants. Ariana. Schwartz threw me on Watch What Happens Live when he was saying Ariana. But he says things strangely sometimes.

Yeah, he does a lot. yeah I felt like he does a lot Ariana herself says Ariana so I but I've I've wondered this too Nick so thank you for bringing up should we call her now so now that you so knowing that you kind of came into this show I came into like a shark tank very unaware yes I'm really curious what your first impressions of each of the kind of main characters were. I actually do remember my first night. It was at, what is that bar across the street? The Whistling Pig or the Piggly Willy, whatever. It was Ariana's birthday.

Actually, I remember that was my first time meeting Ariana. Did I say Ariana? You said Ariana. She did not. I'm just like losing my mind here. Want to know. Right? I just want to know.

Ariana. But no, it's Ariana. Ariana. I know. Is this a speech class now? Because I need it. Ariana. It feels like Caribbean, Caribbean, where there's certain, like I always say pirates

of the Caribbean. Oh, and trust me, in the comments, people are just going to be losing their minds with us. That's fine. I'll say one thing and one thing only. I am not, I do not know how to spell and I pronounce things wrong all the time. So if you're looking for the girl to do that right, do not. Okay, you know your place.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I definitely know where I'm at. All right, so first impressions, it was Ariana's birthday. Yes. It was very weird because I think the only two people who said hi to me or actually gave me like more than 10 seconds was Ariana and Lala. Those are the only two people that were like, hey, like, you know, who is this new person around?

Everyone else kind of was just like turned around. Sheena wasn't there because she I think she was doing something at that time. But come to find out, I found out what was told about my character or who I was. I was kind of like pictured to be the girl that was like the young hawk girl to come take everyone's man. Oh, you were supposed to play Raquel. Yeah, basically. Okay.

And so no. And then Rachel was like, step aside. I got this. She was like, babe, actually, I i'll do the job and i was like fine by me actually actually i got this covered i kind of came in and everyone was like fuck this bitch and then with time and a lot of you know conversations then it kind of was like oh you're a normal person and you're not here to be bad and i was like yeah this whole time i wanted to party with you guys and make friends and have a good time and it was just not it was

losing translation okay because you definitely seem like a bit of a troublemaker this season a little bit this season i mean really because this actually was my worst season an instigator you were behavior in raquel there was a yeah you yeah. An enabler. Well, I will say this. Yeah, the whole, the trip to, yeah, that was a mess. And Raquel came in and was like,

and also I was told this is the thing too, you know, we don't see things till it kind of comes into fruition. So it's like what, two or three days

before it gets shown to the world. You know, you get lied to a lot. People will say one thing, they'll be like, oh, why did this happen? And you, if you're not there and you're not on the cameras, you know, you get lied to a lot. People will say one thing, they'll be like, oh, why did this happen? And if you're not there and you're not on the cameras, how am I supposed to know? I did enable the behavior in a sense that I wanted Raquel to have fun. I just didn't know her fun was going to be on the inconvenience of everyone else's life.

Okay. And I actually cut Raquel off mid-season last year and that didn't get shown. Before we went shopping, I had a really big disagreement with her on her birthday. I started feeling weird feelings with her when she was late to the testing, the food testing thing. And I was like, you're being really fucking weird. And I don't what's going on with you. And I thought, honestly, the show was getting to her head. I thought she was in this like weird clout bubble.

And I don't work like that. I don't like people who live in that clout world. I think it's weird because one day it will be taken away from you. So for you to think that you sit on this pedestal is insane. And so she kept being weird. And I was like, OK, you're being really strange. And then it wasn't till her birthday scene where everyone went camping. I was actually supposed to be there. And a homeless person was broken into my new apartment. And I called Raquel and I was like, hey, I'm going to be late to your birthday. Like, you know, as a friend, like, will you wait for me? And she insisted on being in Tom's car. she insisted on being in Tom's car.

And it was like this thing where she's like, I can't wait for you. Like, I need to go with them. And I was like, fuck this bitch. Like, I had a homeless person just break into my new apartment. Like, I'm having a really bad day. This has been a terrible summer for me. I've been your friend

when you've been a dumb bitch on TV. And I know you're going to look like a dumb bitch on TV from just a Schwartz thing. Because like I said, I don't stand doing mean things to people. You did say that that was the wrong move for her. Yeah, because end of day, I don't care what mean things to people you did say that that was the wrong move yeah because end of day I don't care what we are I know we're on reality tv I know there's has to be views for stuff at the end of the day there's a moral compass and like you

should do good and like be good and the only way you ever do mean or ill will to someone is like if it's called upon like that's why someone comes and says something mean to me I'll be mean back but I'm not gonna go out of my way to be mean to you. And I got to shopping with her and I was like, why would you not wait with your friend? Why are you so up like shorts and sandals? But like, I don't understand your weird M.O. And I asked her, too. I was like, what about these rumors about you guys in this open relationship?

Like, that's just really weird. And she looked at me and she was like, I would never do that, Charlie, you know. And it's like, maybe that's also a very big naive of me. Like, I do take people as face value. I take everyone as face value. I mean, even you. Like, I don't judge people.

You know, because I like to take people for what they give me and what they show me. And if it's wrong at the end, then that's what it is. But yeah, I mean, it's a crazy thing to do. But this whole thing i mean i think everyone else has a place plays a part into it in a sense that like i think that a lot of us filmed last summer and felt like no one can trust anybody that's the felt like the feeling i felt like there was two kind of sides you know like there was lala and katie and then there was Sheena and Raquel. And like Ariana's kind of in the middle.

And then I was kind of like not on the right side, but not fully on the right. But no one could have a normal conversation with each other because everyone felt like this intense, like no one could be trusted. And when no one could be trusted, it doesn't, it leaves room for things to grow where we can't have conversations with each other.

Because then you think that someone's going to say something on screen or someone like, you know, and then it kept coming up of like, oh, they're just doing it for camera time. They're just doing it for camera time to Lala and Katie bringing up this rumor. I felt like if maybe if we all trusted each other a little bit more and didn't have this weird animosity between each other, maybe things would have been figured out sooner. Like, I think maybe if maybe Lala and I had a better relationship or friendship, I probably would have caught on as quick with her. But we don't trust each other. You know, there's no room. We didn't build that trust with each other. Again, I'm newer to this world than Kate is.

So I've known some of the cast mates just through working out here there seems to be a bond now you know with you know now there's a bond yeah yeah so it seems like the the level of distrust has maybe the focus of distrust has gone towards the Toms and Rachel and everyone else seems to be uniting yeah i did say too that i i was really happy that like we all came to dinner that night with ariana and i will say like the reason why also was what it's what it's like i'm gonna stop oh my god did i say ariana no you said ariana which we should do a body we should do like a Hey I told you guys This is me last week

I feel vindicated I didn't come on here And learn about fucking speech I don't want to ruin it Say whatever is natural Ariana I'm going to sing it every time I actually have a question for you

You were with Rachel When she bought the necklace Oh my god Iconic No annoying I found that out too I actually have a question for you. You were with Rachel when she bought the necklace. Oh my God. Iconic. No, annoying. I found that out too. I get why you think it's annoying because she's part of like a terrible court.

I was like, I was like, I was an accessory to murder on a crime I didn't know about. And my fingerprints are everywhere. And I'm the dumb bitch that's like, buy buy it buy the necklace it's your birthday I love diamonds and gold like if you see me I always have diamonds and gold on like that's what I love and you know that you know what the bitch did too after she sent me pictures like don't you love this necklace like all this didn't

resonate with you that it was the exact same necklace as Tom Sandler I want to know I will tell you Nick I the reason also why I had a very weird place in last season I'm going to tell this to everyone. And this is a really good time to bring something to light is that there's a when we're on TV or we do things, I I put on a face, you know, and last summer was the most depressed, saddest. I was on the brink of like, I mean, there was a conversation with Sheena that got cut. Like I was scared I was suicidal last season. And I took a step back because like mentally I had to take care of myself. So for me to pay attention to like a necklace or thing, I was just so like, I need to worry about Charlie right now. And if even that makes me a friend of the show, that's what I'm going to do. And I'm going gonna just be supportive in the areas I need to and show up when I can but like mentally

I wasn't clocking things in like I wasn't working like I wasn't clocking in things that's why I said maybe if I did have a better friendship with Lala sure I would have been clocked in those little things it's been a real L for a lightning bolts this season in general are you okay now

oh yeah no I am so I don't think I would be here if I wasn't good by the way. But I think that's a very good thing to bring up because we see so many people you know, you'd think that their life is great and happy and I have all these things that people want and in reality

like, I mean, there's so many girls that would kill to be on Vanderpump, you know, and I was there and I was very sad and I wasn't happy and I didn't like what I was doing. How did how did mentally things turn for you? How did you change that? Was it a change of perspective? Was it just therapy? What was it? I didn't show up to the finale. And that's, you know, that was my bad. And I just said, sorry to Bravo and Evolution. That was something that you shouldn't do when you're in a work ethic. Like that's something I don't believe in. But I didn't show up.

And I told myself, I'm going to take the six months to really focus on what I need to, you know, you're responsible for your triggers and your emotions. And I got a new apartment and I started going to like therapy again and worked on my relationship with my boyfriend and just did all these things. And like now I feel happy in a place. And I really do wish that maybe I didn't do the last two seasons because of that. I didn't show up how Charlie should have shown up. And now I feel great. And I think through everything and also seeing things now that I kind of saw how everything played out, maybe that was a good thing. I took a step back because if I would have been involved more into

the situation or maybe took Rachel's side more and involved myself more in like a business I didn't have, I probably would have even been more shit now, you know, because she was lying so much to so many of us. I mean, even she ruined like put a big wedge between me and Sheena because when we and her finally went to dinner that one night, we kind of were like, hey, let's squash the beef. This is stupid. We're both being dumb we you know me and sheena could are really good friends outside of the show and liked each other as people not because of bravo or whatever and she's telling me and i was like well we were both being fed lies by this person too because she probably didn't want us to be friends again

it feels like there's kind of this paradox of Raquel on one hand, as we see, especially like early in earlier episodes and before Scandival broke as kind of being like conceived as like Bambi, like bimbo airhead. I think that's easy

because I think that was what she stuck with. I mean, I know Raquel since pageant, so we have to circle this all the way back. We competed together since we were 15,

even though we weren't friends. Yeah. What was, did you have any impressions of her? Oh yeah, I mean, even though we weren't friends. Yeah. What was, did you have any impressions of her? Oh yeah. I mean, we, like, that's my thing too. When I watched the episode scene, I, I placed a few times at Miss California USA. I mean, I mean, Raquel competed since Miss California Teen USA together in my last year when I made top and I've almost, you know, I've gotten top five before.

I've almost won. And she's never made, but no, I've gotten top five before I've almost won and she's never made but no I've never beat her because I didn't win but I'm saying she never made place beyond like I think she only made top 15 once or twice so to have your whole identity and cry about it on tv is really odd and I think that she just never maybe grew from the place we grew at 18 when we were doing pageants and she had this idea that, you know, her life was supposed to pan. And I honestly think that pageants were the reason why she did kind of this when you kind of like, you know, when you work in an environment where you're always competing

against other women and you don't grow from that from that standpoint and you don't grow as a person and you search for that validation with everything that you did in pageants, it goes into your other areas of life. I don't know why the fuck she thought she was in Women's California USA this year. I'm sorry. But like, it wasn't going to be in your car. It's especially like you do reality TV. Like, you're just it's not going to work out for you that way.

Kind of a non-starter. Yeah, but she's like, it's like you didn't get that far beforehand. I think she thought because she was on the show, it was going to help her. And it's not. that far beforehand. I think she thought because she was on the show, it was going to help her. And it's not. And seeing it now, it's like kind of like, oh, you never grew out of seeking validation. Like how many times are you going to believe you're pretty until someone has to keep telling you you're pretty? You have to like believe you're pretty. That's why I stepped away from pageants because I'm like, I don't need this anymore. Like I got the validation out of it.

I learned how to walk, take care of myself, do all these things. But I don't need to be told I'm pretty anymore. I'm going to go do other things in the world and seek validation in my goals and my passions. I think that her validation was being pretty. And that's not a good... More like Ariana said, kind of tied up in men. Yeah, because that's been a stamp of approval. You're good enough. You're worthy enough.

And I saw that a little bit of summer last year and I thought it was the show i didn't know it was tom sandoval so i completely removed her from my life and so that's what i another bad thing about me it's not like i don't need to have a conversation i'm just no i just cut you out but you you cut her out before the scandal before the scandal yeah so you were ahead of it well yeah because i could i can sense when people are being fucking weird or moving weird and i don't like it because like i said i came to this show just really wanting experiences opportunities and to just meet people and become friends with more girls that's all i wanted to do it didn't work out that way but i mean i did i mean i did learn stuff i did have experiences

but i think that a lot of people have motives that are just insane like i just think it's insane to like think like that okay you had a question that's just incredible i talked a lot no no i don't like to talk that much that was incredible insight the thing about competing with other women yeah yeah wanting to beat them like I feel like that's like an insight that I hadn't really thought about. Because I went through that. Yeah. Like I even realized to the beginning

of my relationship, my boyfriend, I was like, why do I feel these weird feelings? I was like, oh, it's because the pageants. Like I was just bred to be better than the girl next to me. And does it kind of have this kind of very cutthroat? Oh, yeah. I mean, it's fair where you're kind of expected to step on and

step over when we were doing it too donald trump owned it so this was a whole different pageant system i mean the things we were told were like absolutely insane i mean i remember being 16 and being told that like if you're not a size zero or if you don't do this or if your face isn't perfectly aligned like you're not pretty like they would straight up tell you that you know and so that does get and but there was oh let me let me say one thing too there's a lot of great things about pageants though if you learn from them and if you take them away like you take good things away from it but i do think that if you never create anything else in your life and you don't create other stepping stones, you're stuck in that. Like reality TV, you have to be grounded. You have to have a good support system.

Yeah, I think that's another thing, too. You have to, you know, yes, you have to have a good head on your shoulder, otherwise it can really fuck your brain up, totally. And that's the thing, too. I know Raquel's mother from pageants, and it's just very shocking to me that this is like playing out the way it has. I heard. Please.

Yeah. No, no, no. I love her. Her mother's a very nice woman, but it's just very like, I don't know what's going on. And I don't know the M.O. with either of them. And I think this is honestly after last night's episode, I think this is really sad. and I think this is honestly after last night's episode I think this is really sad like I just think it's really sad that all these people or individuals live in this world that no one else lives in and that one day they're gonna see what was it all for have you heard from Rachel at all

no she's really gone off the grid so yeah she went off the grid completely I would I was gonna reach out and then i was like you know not my business not my what is it not my circus not my monkeys like i and i even too like i will say this my grandpa died three days after this thing dropped with dropped with tom and ariana no it's okay so that's like another reason why i was like i like holy shit like i need like this is a lot because even though to this Tom and Ariana thing like wasn't to us personally, it was this weird death feeling. It was like we knew these people and now they're not who we thought they were. And I think everyone was hurt in their own ways.

Like everyone took a different jab from these individuals. But that's why I didn't reach out either because I was just so like having a real death in the family than seeing this. I kind of just took a step back and said like, what is what is life? What is the purpose?

Like I again, I just want to love and be loved and enjoy the people around me. And I don't want to see people in pain or hurting i mean her seeing ariana her and her conversation with tom i mean there was so much more that was said at the dinner i it broke like what just of just how like much ariana was hurting about how much it sucks it's like she still still miss tom at that moment you know you have those weird feelings and it's like because that could feel surreal yeah and that also i feel like it goes for a lot of women that

have been in relationships where men have been shitty it kind of like brings you back to this place where you're like this is why all men suck and we should not trust any of them because they're all bad people nick just kidding we're all looking at now. But now as someone who is kind of our historian. Yes. I feel like what a lot of people have been talking about. And honestly, Ariana talked about in her New York Times article was, you know, she really he Tom Sandoval hasn't really grown over the past decade since he did this with Kristen Doty. So what have you seen from him over the last 10 years? Did you think that there had been growth?

Did you always kind of anticipate something like this happening? It's weird because when I wrote the story, I wrote. Raquel is such an interesting person and kind of a character to write about. And her motivations are so confusing. Yeah, because I don't think she knows what she's doing. Right. She doesn't know who she is. She said in the car her facial expression panic attack but she so i really focused on thinking about like what's happening with her and my editor adam very who's a friend of mine

is he doesn't watch the show he doesn't watch watch any of these shows. So he was like, you go so in depth on Raquel and what's Tom like? Like he was like, I have no sense of him from my first draft. And I was like, oh, God damn it. I totally. And then it was incredibly hard to write about because he just puts on costumes. He's all about facade and performance. And he's kind of I mean, you know him. I don't mean to know, but it's just, you know, he I love POVs. He he's such a cipher to me in a lot of ways. And I'm certainly I've agreed with him in the past when he's had fights with Jax or, you know, like and, you know, I've always thought Ariana was one of the most normal, relatable people on the show. So, like, I was like, well, he's with her.

And so, you know, but it was like all of his personality seemed to come from external. I have no idea who he is or what drives him. And it was very interesting in the finale to hear that it was when he turned 40 and he had all these like, you know, basically a midlife crisis, I guess. But yeah, I mean, those flashbacks to how he and also Ariana treated Kristen. Kristen, he definitely hasn't grown. And that was a very good point that she made. And I kind of would like to hear from her what she thinks of how she acted during that. Also, not that I mean, Kristen Doty has said like their relationship was terrible. They had to break up. She was great. She's grateful to Ariana for, you know, helping that along.

But, you know, the behavior. I hope that Ariana also I'm sure they've hashed that through but um yeah i mean he's he seems to be kind of fixed in place uh but also i mean he's blown up his life in a way that like i don't even think we understand yet what the repercussions of what he's done seems to be and i think ariana said it best i watch what happens live i think he's still enjoying this yeah you know right yeah my favorite my favorite line of the oh first i want to say i do agree with you about ariana i am curious about and i'm curious charlie if you have any thoughts on this she seems wonderful i've gotten to know her i've actually known her the longest you know i met her seven years ago. But I am curious, how has this changed her point of view on friendships, on relationships? Because while not this past episode, but the week before, I found myself very frustrated watching Ariana not see what all her other friends like Lala and Katie were seeing and just kind of dismissing

Rachel's behavior to other people. And I'm really curious if Ariana now sees friendships and loyalty and things like that in a different lens and how is her behavior going to change with her other relationships in the future? I'm really curious about that perspective from Ariana, but I'm curious if you have any insight or thoughts on that. Oh, you're asking me? I mean, obviously I talked to her. I don't want to speak on her behalf, but I do think that it's changed dynamics as a whole, even outside friends of the group. I think that it's kind of made a lot of, wow, we can't trust that person. We can't trust that person. Like, even for me, I've had conversations with her when I ran into someone, a mutual friend,

and she's like, yeah, they told Tom A, B, and C, or they knew about A, B, and C. So we're actually like finding out through this process, more and more people that were involved or new things or kept a secret. So I think that everything has changed. I think that, of course, she's not going to trust people the same. But I do think that maybe, which I do hope because I was always team Katie through all of this because Katie's my favorite. I love Katie. Like when me and Katie finally got to know each other, like one night we were in Palm

Springs. We had a bottle of tequila. Everyone went to bed. We just passed it back and forth and just got to know each other and like then we became friends and i really like katie and that's why i've always kind of like heard katie out and like always listen to her opinion because sometimes she bitch kind of knows what she's talking about and she's been on it the longest than everybody i think again i i don't know the history and i know i'll say like katie's my favorite and then people will chime in but i gotta watch other i like her takes i like her friendships and loyalty and and i like that she can pick a

side last night's episode it was revealed by sandoval that he had stepped out of the relationship in addition to raquel and and on on watch what happened lives ariana made it seem like she knows who that person is and they both made it seem like it wasn't just some random person. Like, I got the impression it was like someone in the influencer reality TV space. Do you have any idea who this person is? No. That's a shame. Kate, do you?

I have no idea. Even if I did know, I wouldn't tell you guys. Do you? So you know. No. I don't know anything you can tell us no that's not my business but don't you doesn't it seem like it's a somebody well for sure but i was curious whether andy cohen last night was gonna say ask ariana about billy lee oh yeah those photos of them moving stuff is it maybe maybe it is billy lee but but Andy Cohen last night was going to ask Ariana about Billy Lee. Oh, yeah.

Those photos of them moving stuff. Is it? Maybe it is Billy Lee. But he has met Billy Lee. So he said, have I met this person? And Ariana said no. Oh, okay. Interesting.

I couldn't help but think it was like, I knew Vanderpump and Basher people hang out a lot in the scene. Is that right? Yeah. You know, it's just like it's a very similar experience of you just kind of, you've been through the fire. It's like a trauma bond. Yeah. It's like, hey, people are mean to you on the internet.

People are mean to you. Let's be friends. You feel, if nothing else, you feel safe around them. Got it. You don't feel like they have any type of, you know, you just feel. Well, I guess that they kind of get it. They get it. Yeah.

So I honestly, I wondered if it was someone from Bachelor Nation or maybe like an other influencer in another reality TV space, but it's, it's somebody. Detective Nick Vidal on the case. If it's someone in Bachelor Nation, that's on you. Find out. Okay. I'll do my homework. that's on you.

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it was like specifically the comment where he was talking about Lala, quote, sucking dick for Range Rover. Like I just found it to be a very unappealing human being can you speak to like before any of this had come to light like why does he have friends like why might Ariana have wanted to be in a relationship for this man for nine years well I can't speak for Ariana either about why but I think that when I think that when we do this there's a lot of there's a lot of moving parts and I think that once you're kind of in the thick of it it's kind

of like this noise like you don't see anything else but the show and you don't we're also like we're filming we're exhausted we're partying we're doing all these things I don't think things check in and I think that everyone loved Ariana and Tom because of Ariana and I don't think that was realized until this happened I think before everyone thought like oh you're dating the Tom like you know like you got on the show with him but I think it kind of translated like we were all friends with Ariana and Tom because of Ariana like we all liked them together more because she was there. Yeah. The Tom I see now and I, I don't really know that person.

That wasn't the person I met. That's not the person I got to know. That's the person that came over to my house. Like, I mean, that's the thing too. That was where like when the whole thing got brought up with Raquel partying over there. Like I, we all kind of party together and we all go to each other's houses. There's been times where Tom was at my house to four or five in the morning with like Corey you know what I'm saying when I wasn't home or things like that or like everyone parties so odd not what I'm saying not me I'm saying Tom and like Corey party and like everyone would go to each other's house or Corey

would even be at Ariana's house okay so everyone like I don't think anyone thought of it Corey's your boyfriend yeah Corey's my boyfriend I was was going to say, Corey's who? Well, Corey actually hangs out with everyone more than I do. I would say that. He's the Love Island plug with Ariana? No, no, that's Brad. Brad is not my boyfriend. Brad's going to watch this and he's going to be like,

it's so exciting. No, Corey, I'm a big worker. I work all the time. I like to not, I work on the weekends. I still do bottle service because I found that like if I don't party all the time it kind of keeps me in check so I don't spend money I kind of like at the club making money so when I was gone or I couldn't

film Corey would essentially come into my spot okay so when people would say things it was almost like yeah we all party together that's why Sheena said the thing of like oh we all party together oh we always do it because there's been times where people have gone off in their groups or someone wants to stay longer

we didn't think the worst yeah we didn't think anyone was fucking each other do you think Tom I really did not think that do you think Tom has cheated on Ariana with more people than Rachel and this mystery influencer you do yeah i was told things

now like because i do work in the club and i always hear stuff about people like i get reports back for some reason when you work in nightlife everyone sees everything and they will they will call i mean i get calls like i remember when i got a call like from anything people do i get a call trust me and someone came to me and they were like, yo, I just saw Tom and Raquel at the Abbey. And they said, all right, that's kind of weird. I saw them do this. And I was like, get out of here. And then someone came to me and said, I was getting my hair done.

And my hairdresser told me that one of their clients had to sign an NDA to fuck Tom Sandoval. But this was my first season of filming. So I was like, I don't know what to do with that information. Again, I was naive. And I was like, everyone makes up rumors. Everyone says things like that's so crazy to say to me. Like you guys are just trying to like bring gossip. But now I kind of realized that maybe he's been this person this entire time. And like what Kate was saying is that I think that Tom enjoyed putting a facade and today, like, I think he's enjoying being the character.

And like, also, I mean, a lot of people will start as actors in LA. So maybe this was like, and last night's episode went early in the episode where they kind of talked about how this all came to pass. Yeah.

And Tom goes, I usually, I usually would have deleted something like this, but I was so busy. So that means that. Usually delete what? Other nudes of people you're fucking that aren't, you know? Yeah. And then there was that other part in the episode.

How sad, by the way. Where, you know, they were talking, I don't forget who it was, but they were saying how Tom gave Ariana his phone and he just, and there was nothing to see there. And so he was so good at covering it. So like he just kind of gave it away, gave it away. Clearly, this is a pattern where like the the the habit of knowing to delete things or hiding things. Yes.

And he basically admitted that he was just too busy to hide his dirty little secret. Was it on your podcast or her own podcast that Kristen Doty said that he has sex with groupie all the time? She said in this podcast that he had sex with a groupie. She claimed that Tom had sex the night that this all came to pass, that the scandal broke, that he performed that night and went home with a groupie. I'm sure. I mean, why would you even think less than anybody? I also think like this just ties into again of having validation and hobbies that are not just on how great you are. People telling you how amazing you are like this fool should have like picked up tennis like go fucking

take a lap or something you know like don't ruin your whole and like also i'm gonna say something please the fake crying last night oh my god i was like literally disgusted i couldn't even watch the episode i which one to schwartz or to lvp oh the l i if i was lisa one i'd like get your dirty paws off my fucking window like I just cleaned those and like he cried more in those two scenes and I just think it's just such a disrespect but he knew to cover his eyes you know at least he

knows that you can't you can't not see my tears it's just weird I just honestly I just think it's odd and weird and I you know at the end of the day and what I said to Ariana I hope Tom and Raquel have the best life ever and I hope it works out for them and I hope all of this was worth it because at the end of the day like people are going to do what they want to do clearly we see that but I mean is it even worth like that's where people are saying that Tom loves it I think that they both kind of love it in a sense and like giving any more light to it

is just boosting their egos yeah and I don't think that people i like also another thing we were taught in pageant any publicity is good publicity like that's what they told us so like this to them or raquel probably is just like this is good i'm in the tabloids i think tom is just if i had to use one word to describe sandoval, maybe both of them, is just weak. They're weak. Yeah, you're cowardly. My favorite line of the episode is, I forgot who Tom said it to, when he goes,

I was gonna tell her so many times, but I just got a vibe that she didn't want to know. And I'm just like, what the fuck? Also, why is Tom acting like he's from California Beach Boy? He's like, have these, dipped out all these words. I'm like, babe, what are... Also, like is Tom acting like he's from like California Beach Boy? Like he's like have these like all these words. I'm like, babe, like what are also like his storyline of I was I wanted to break up with her. I wanted to break up with her.

That was his truth. The real truth was he almost told her a bunch of times, but decided in his head that she didn't want to know. Like he decided for her. I know. I think that Tom had a plan. to know like he decided for her i know i think that yeah tom had a plan and i think that tom wanted to i think that tom and raquel ultimately thought that like they were gonna somehow sneak their way in together and it was gonna like phase in and like we were all next season they were just gonna magically be together and we were all gonna be okay with it and i'm so glad that their plan

failed miserably but i think still to this day that i think both of them think that it's going to be all kumbaya and everyone's just going to accept them again. You think they still think that? Yeah. Whoa. I feel that. I do feel that. And now that they broke up,

I think that Raquel 100% is going to, like, back to Ariana and she and I bet money on it. I saw something today that, ariana said last night on watch what happens live that she doesn't believe that's true and then something today which actually makes a lot of sense is they never really technically were boyfriend and girlfriend so that you can't break up from being not boyfriend and girlfriend at the end of the day their relationship hasn't changed they're still in contact they're still yeah there's still something there that yeah yeah they were never exclusive obviously yeah they couldn't be by definition i also i think one of the quotes from tom that really stuck out in the finale

was when he was in a confessional talking about the experience of first getting with raquel he said you're not washed up your best days are not behind you maybe they're just beginning as being like what was going through his head yeah which is like such a sad thing to think about like just how little it had to do with Raquel as an individual and how much it had to do with like what he could project onto her and like what she represented and like do you think he knows like do you think they know one another um apparently I mean I think that last, now that we've seen it, yeah, they were getting very close and hanging out a lot. And I think that, again, we all, during COVID too,

we all kind of hung out together. I was living next to Sheena at the time, so it was very natural for our groups to be grouped together a lot. And so I think that friendships and part partying but maybe in depth no i think that it's all like i think what they're in love with is what they are in and like in the show like the idea like i think that they thought they were going to be like brad and angelina of like vanderpump rules i really i really see them thinking that i swear to god and i think that that's where i'm saying where people get wrapped up in this like this isn't real life babe and like you're a piece of shit you know like that's not

okay to do to people and like the thing is too i think that tom is so used to you know i don't like to speak on people's half but from what i've seen a lot of people on the cast try to produce or navigate their stories and I don't think that they like when things are portrayed in ways they don't. And that's why a lot of people will have each other's back or people will say something different or act different when the cameras are on

to protect one another. And I felt like maybe Ariana was protecting Tom this whole time thinking like, you know, that she was in this protective relationship because they had each other on the show. Because I will say when you don't have someone on that on Vanderpump Rules, it can be very hard for you.

You feel it. Oh, yeah. Like I was alone my first two years. Like, I'm just here. And like people would be like, you're a bitch. I'm like, I'm going to take it because I have to be here. Were there any moments from last night watching the finale that I'm sure there are many, but like as what were some of your favorites or your kind of mind-blowing moments when while watching it that was just that one of the best

hours of tv i've ever seen really yeah of course you don't think so charlie i couldn't watch the whole thing because it grossed me out once tom and raquel came on i'll be like and i had to skip through it the fact that i mean one of the things that was in my story, because I genuinely didn't know, was when I interviewed Alex Baskin. And the phone fell out of his pocket on March 1st that night. Ariana called production on March 2nd. She's the one who told them. And then they were literally at their house when the TMZ story broke at 12.06 p.m. on March 3rd. So like the whole world is exploding outside and they're about to have that fight in front of the cameras.

And I mean, the fact that his approach was just so infuriating to me. Yeah. And I just, I was also like, he's talking to her as if he didn't do this thing, you know, even though he knows he did, but he's so in the wrong and he's still screaming at her, acting like it's her fault, you know? It made no sense. And I always, I have a 10 a 10 year old who he yells sometimes.

And I always say to my wife, I say he went from zero to Sandoval in in less than three seconds, because the way he just goes from pretty calm to screaming is something that I'm trying to teach my 10 year old not to do. Yeah. And I've said that for years, like, you know, zero to Sandoval. And so I really I could not believe the way he was talking to her. And I mean, and she just handled it. Well, that was an angel. I also have never looked better. I mean, just stunning.

The glow of a woman who knows her worth. Well, she said in the article in the new york times article that dropped today that she she knew that conversation was happening obviously it was the first time they talked about it cameras are rolling and she knew instinctively when he sat down and the way he was delivering his lines she was thinking to herself oh my gosh he is trying to win this scene he's he's thinking about how he's presenting himself he's trying to win this scene. He's thinking about how he's presenting himself. He's trying to be this, you know, I was struggling

and we didn't have sex and these, he was trying to gain the audience's sympathy. And she was like, he's going to be the one that trying to get sympathy make me seem like

I'm outraged and crazy. Not taking his side again. And then she was like, I was so happy when he had that moment. And he did start yelling because she thought to herself, finally, now people can actually see the Tom I see. Right. He doesn't get to he broke that kind of character he was trying to play.

Yeah. I mean, I feel like they all did in a way. I don't know how people Schwartz has driven me insane for years, like the way he just gets out of everything. And I've always been fair. Like, yeah, he he just gets out of everything and i've always been team katie like not fair he schwartz gets out of everything like he finagles his way like he can literally burn like lisa's restaurant and she'd be like it's okay schwartz it's his ability to not he does have this like demeanor that's very like he like a like it's like a helpless dog. Sometimes he knows like awkward situations don't affect him. Yeah.

And so when everyone else is feeling like awkward or like, what the fuck? He's just like, guys, that's exactly what the guys guys. Yeah. It's all good, man.

And like, and, and generally speaking, people hate feeling awkward. And I think Tom's gift is to kind of lead the charge of saying, let's let's fuck this awkward situation and have fun. And I think it's very disarming and very welcoming. And I think it's a skill that he has. Oh, we bring it up his text to Ariana.

Shall we read it? Yeah, go ahead. It's wild. Morning, Ariana. Space period. Hopefully you are resting at least a little easier now i'm not here to make excuses for tom or justify his actions he confided in me and i told him what he needed to do sit you down and tell you everything out of respect for everything you

guys have built together i guess he was about to tell you and this all blew up and you got humiliated in the worst way possible i'm'm not going to try to tell his story. You should jet set somewhere fabulous and just absolutely spoil yourself. Why is he giving tips on coping? Sheer decadence. He's turned your phone off. I hope you don't have too much ill will toward me. And this whole situation is just effed.

I don't want to kick my guy when he's down. But my God, the amount of anxiety and backlash I'm getting because of his actions are insane. Anyways, just know I care about you and I know you're going to be just fine. As a wild message. Schwartz making it about him when Sandoval came to his house about how the abuse that he's getting was also interesting. And then lying to Katie in that scene and saying that he told him a month ago was also interesting. I mean, there were just every minute of it was fascinating well I just think that everyone's like this past

episode like no one can hide anymore and then now everyone's true like cards are showing like we're at like a poker table and now everyone's poker faces like we can't no one can hide behind anything now and I think that's what will be interesting about next season it's like now we know that Schwartz is like it's like a

fucking asshole message like you know like yeah he meant well and I know like Schwartz in a sense where like he doesn't mean any harm but also you acting like that does harm like that was the whole reason with Katie it was like you never had her back when she needed it and being the good guy in every situation

ultimately makes you the bad guy do you think he will learn from this? Because I want to believe. I hope everyone learns from this. Being new to this universe, I'm watching this and I see no redeeming qualities for Sandoval. Like again, everything we just talked about,

the whole time he's sitting down there, he keeps saying, he said this on Howie Mandel's podcast, he said it with Ariana, it's not your fault but it's oh it like and then after everything out of his mouth it's not your fault but like you never loved me we didn't do this you never said no for me like everything is out of his mouth is blaming ariana and like while he's doing this like with swartz he infuriates me he infuriated

me last episode he doesn't take a stand he does seem cowardly in a lot of situations but i feel like he he's he's um well-intentioned but just very misguided you know it's like he has this misguided loyalty is he well-intentioned though i mean honestly like i don't know you know more about him you guys i don't know him that well but i want to believe there's someone maybe good in there that can learn from this. I mean, something that you may not have, you know, because I don't think you started watching until recently. Right. But like these men have always covered for one another. Kind of talked about last episode. Yeah. Schwartz knows who Tom is more than anyone and has chosen to be his life partner.

You know, really like they're like they've been the central love story of the show in in a way that no one else has been, you know, really like Tom Tom, literally through it all. So, you know, it's just like, I don't know, like I feel like I mean, I'm curious to hear what Charlie has to say about this. But, you know, Ariana said in that New York Times story that my friend Christiane Doley wrote that you guys just run in a pack. Also ex BuzzFeed news. And so that, you know, she would not film with Raquel and Sandoval ever again. And she made it very clear both in the finale and on Watch What Happens Live. made it very clear both in the finale and on Watch What Happens Live.

You know, she was like, anyone who chooses to hang out with Sandoval is not in my life, except for Lisa Vanderpump. And good for her for drawing that line. That's my only frustration with Ariana. But so that means Schwartz would have to be the person who films with the two of them, assuming that they both come back. But I'm just curious about what Charlie, I mean, not to hijack your show, Nick, but like, what do you think there was a season,

maybe it was your first season when no one would film with James. And that made for a bad season. Was it? Yeah. Among other things. Yeah, that's what I don't like. I learned that. But like, for example, my mistake last, I think the season before,

not inviting Lala to my tasting party. I think that like everyone should be invited to everything. I think it makes good TV to even have people there that you don't like because we're all. Especially people there. That you don't like. Yeah. Like it should be really like that. So, but this is different.

Yeah. Because I think again. It's their lives. It's their real lives. Yeah. And it goes back to like last season. We all, I'm not going to speak for everyone, but I think we all felt this weird like who the fuck can we trust in this circle? And now, even though it's like we can trust Ariana, we're all on the side when we have everyone else.

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Do you have any reason to think that Rachel and Tom won't be on next season no they need the money now they freaking need the check I have no doubt that they will want to if they have the opportunity I think the only reason not is that

Raquel maybe like her parents kind of maybe are going to intervene and not allow her to because they have said comments to us or like even to me when I send them like she's not doing this anymore. Like, do they have that much influence on her life as a 28 year old? Yeah, 100 percent. I actually asked her publicist this. I had a long conversation with her publicist the day before my story published because I just wanted to give her a heads up. And I said, are they trying to Katie Holmes her?

That's how I think of it. What did you mean by that? Like the parents stepping in and taking, taking, you know, being like, and you're going to serve him with divorce papers, you know, and I have heard that they do not like Tom at all. And I assume that, I mean, she is only 28.

She's about to be 29. Okay. Well, she still has a chance to have a normal life, but she seems so fame seeking and attention seeking that I assume this is all just going one way, which is her wanting to be on the show again, which is if she's really in a mental health treatment center, which I think she is. She's definitely not been seen or hunted down by the paparazzi. She's sending letters to Tom and Ariana's house, which means that she has no other way of communicating. Then any therapy she's doing is going to be automatically negated by.

And now I will go back. Yeah, it's not a healthy place to go back into. I agree. But I think that will she have the willpower to right to not go because her parents might be involved but they can't stop her yeah i think i mean that goes for all of us i think every year we end the show and we go we're never doing this shit again and then you get a contract and you're like oh yeah i mean fame is a drug it really is clout i, this is all because of clout. It's all.

Yeah. And when and you feel it go away, it goes away. So it goes away faster than it comes. And when you feel it go away, you know, and I've been there. It's very easy to compromise with yourself and be like, well, I could do this. I'll just do it differently this time. I'll learn from my mistakes. I won't say this.

I won't do that. I'll be nicer. Yeah this time. I'll learn from my mistakes. I won't say this. I won't do that. I'll be nicer. Yeah. It doesn't work out like that. Yeah. Can we get into kind of the contract status? I'm curious for you, Kate, like as someone who's so aware

of like the way these things work. And then also like Charlie from you as someone who's like has signed contracts, is in negotiations. Like where do you think we're at now? What kind of leverage do you think the cast has? I mean, Charlie knows much more about this than I do, but I did ask Alex Baskin.

I was like, do they have you over a barrel? You know, you want these people to come back. And he was like, you know, they're about to start, I heard. I believe really soon. Yeah. I think it's like right after. Oh, it starts around Pride. Right when the finale stops airing. I believe really soon. Yeah. I think it's like right after. Oh, it starts around Pride. Yeah.

Mm-hmm. Right when the finale stops airing. I mean, the reunion. Well, I also want to ask Charlie what she thinks that the revelation is that Alex Baskin said is in the reunion episodes. So to my audience, what are you talking about? When I spoke with Alex Baskin, the executive producer who conceived of the show, he said that I said, you know, these people are running free right now with no cameras on them. And I'm not comfortable with that.

Like, I really feel like we should be monitoring their every move 24 seven. And and and I don't like that. They're just out there living their lives. And he said, I, too, thought that we should start up right away. And he said, I, too, thought that we should start up right away. And then we filmed the reunions and the reunion. And I think we need a minute because something happens during the reunion that changes everything and everyone needs to know it. And I pressed and pressed and pressed, tried to get him to go off the record. He just wouldn't bend. Yeah. And and he said in that that last episode is June 7th. That's the third reunion. And he so I assume that somewhere in June, you know, he said we want to start filming

during the summer. So people on Reddit were saying, I wonder if Raquel's pregnant because that was my bet and then Bravo shot that down what did you hear? I can't know I always hear things I can't go up

that's the reason why I didn't want to come today because I was scared that there was going to be a lot of things at the reunion and there was going to be changes to opinions and point of views of things well ariana said last night i don't know she said i wish i had known at the reunion what i know now and i was like is that what he was talking about like what did she mean so yeah, Charlie. Yeah, I just think that, well, they had private moments, too. Who's they?

Tom, Raquel, and Ariana. The one-on-ones. Yeah, so no one knows what they said until we get the episodes before you guys. So I haven't seen that yet, either. So you're just speculating like everyone else. I am, yep. So just give us some guesses um

i think that maybe people no i don't know i think that maybe more people knew and maybe more people were involved my other guess was that everyone wasn't being truthful of how the whole situation panned out i don't know i just think that there's gonna be a lot that gets shown that it's gonna change yeah it's just gonna change everyone's perspective reun be a lot that gets shown that it's going to change yeah it's just going to change everyone's perspective. Reunions always do that though. Sure. You know. But I'm just trying to decide for what you're kind of saying. I don't like I'm not on the record for anything.

I'm not the. It's just all hearsay. We're not holding it. You're guessing just like us. Yeah I'm just like you guys. I'm just like a little girl off the street. I don't know anything. I just think that Give us your best guess. My best guess. My best guess is just that maybe I'll even be disappointed too.

That I might be hurt when I see the reunion. Hurt. Yeah. I just, that's my energy I'm getting is that more things are going to come out that maybe are going to hurt more people's feelings or make people sad. Like who could it, because here's, here's where I'm make people sad. But like who could, because here's where, Well, more people that came out there are liars.

I'm fascinated by it because since this all has broken, Lala, Sheena, I mean Ariana and away, like they've, and rightfully so, have been like seizing the moment. Yeah.

You know, all their podcasts are trending and crushing and coming out of nowhere and they're doubling down podcasts are are trending and crushing and and coming out of nowhere and and they're doubling down lala's he's been hilarious so i'm just like wondering if there's other people involved they all seem to be jumping on the fuck sandoval and raquel bandwagon the only one who's been kind of quiet is lisa van is lisa vander did she know do you think lisa vanderpump knew the whole time i mean i feel like i'll ask her tonight i'm going to her yeah ask her tonight ask her tonight be like it's first thing you ask her i'm just wondering what could

this be if there are other people are involved do you get what i'm saying because it seems like big and like there's a lot of people in this group that are not just on the show you know so i feel like there's a lot of moving parts and there i i don't know i'm scared just like what do you have any guesses kate it definitely comes from the one-on-ones and i assume it's a the one-on-one with raquel but i don't i don't know i mean i i i don't know i don't i don't know. I don't know. Raquel's going to confess that someone else was involved. Right? I guess TPT. Next Wednesday, right?

I feel like you know something. No, I don't. I don't know anything. But my hands are getting really sweaty because I had this whole conversation. Unfortunately, it's not going to be next week. It's June 7th. It'll be the third one. That's why they're open.

Did you get the sense that it was like context about an individual? Like, for example, like something about Raquel's mental health or like some circumstance in her life? Or did it seem more like it was an incident and behavior that happened between other people? I couldn't have asked more. I couldn't have. I couldn't have been like, is it this? You know, I couldn't have presented more scenarios couldn't have i couldn't have been like is it this you know i couldn't have presented more scenarios i don't know i don't know um but uh it was very interesting the way he phrased it because he was like you know it's usually

reunions are like the processing of emotion and he was like what we're going to deliver is new information that the cast yeah the entire cast needs to know before we start again. Because otherwise there's no point. They don't know. Right. No, we don't know. As I said, we don't. So the Lala's and the Sheena's.

I mean, everyone makes like ideas, like obviously, but we're, they don't. And because it's something happened like a year or two ago, I think someone shared the episodes. and because it's something happened like a year or two ago I think someone shared the episodes we used to get all the episodes like like for like a couple at a time and now they will give it to us like the day or two before so there's no time to prepare a chance that Rachel hooked up with someone

else maybe no I don't think that one but you don't think that one would it even be I don't know James her and James are still like oh my god obviously insane that was a great team by the way I don't know James her and James are still looking up no that was obviously insane

that was a great team by the way the friends going over to James and Allie's house I feel like no one ever thought like I feel bad

for James in this if like everyone keeps like forgetting about him I feel like we liked James this season I love James I've always liked James

I always thought he was like I mean from when I like again face value when I first met him was like my first season I was like this guy's hilarious and when I, like, again, face value when I first met him was like my first season. I was like, this guy's hilarious and crazy. I've enjoyed watching him this season. Yeah.

Yeah. Do you think Lisa plays favorites? Yes. Who are her favorites other than James? Right now, probably Ariana. Like, she likes the people who make the most money. And hey, like, that's why, like Lisa, she's a businesswoman. She knows what she's doing.

And she's, you you know but i think beforehand it was just whoever's making the most money and the most traction for the show i think she switches her favorites but i do think beforehand she was harder on the like girls than she was on the boys like she always let the boys get away with everything like even my first season with like brett and max like they could get away with anything and like danica and i got in so much trouble so many times during that season like that wasn't showed or like got yelled at for things and like Max and Brett could have done like whatever they wanted and they didn't get reprimanded as much. Oh God. Don't ever watch season eight.

No offense. No, it's okay. I felt bad that I was a guinea pig in the experiment. You were great. Did it? No. pig in the experiment that you were great did it no did you get a sense from the executive producer that this revelation whatever it's going to be will be

an amazing catalyst for what will be an amazing season 11 did he almost seem giddy and excited as an executive producer I mean I feel like they're kind of I mean I don't want to speak for him but I feel like it can't get better than this.

You know, I mean, this is, this is, we're setting, it's season 11 is, hopefully it's really good, but how could it achieve these great heights? Yeah, maybe not better, but like maintain the, like if there's some huge scandal. Right. That can disrupt. I don't know if it's going to be that. I think it might just be like key and for, I don't know.

I don't know. I'm making things up. Yeah, I don't think it's going to be another big scandal. I think it might just be like key and for, I don't know. I don't know. I'm making things up. Yeah, I don't think it's going to be another big scandal. I think it's just going to be key on how like we all view each other maybe. That's kind of big though. But this whole show is about the interpersonal relationships between the cast

and if someone's reputation is potentially on the line. What if it's mine? I don't even know. No, I'm just kidding. I didn't do anything. I don't do anything like that that I know of. No. I think that maybe people knew.

That's my guess. Okay. That's all I'm going to say. Here's the thing about this scandal is this is in no way, I'm not trying in any way to downplay what Sandoval did. But this shit happens all the time everywhere you know and all and all friend groups there are shitty people who are cheating and fucking people's friends and shit like that this is not like this has never happened before yeah right and i loved how sheena kind of

basically gave a playbook of what you should fucking do yeah when you're in a situation like this where you're in a relationship where you're not happy and even though breaking up with someone you've been in a relationship for their nine or ten years is difficult and heartbreaking you have the guts to do the hard thing yeah and yeah go to their friends and say hey i need to do this and you drop their grenade and you let their friends pick up the pieces. And I loved how Sheena just articulated the right way of going about this, which seems so obvious, but also something that so many people out there, so many people out there are the Tom Sandoval, the chicken shit people who will make excuses about why they

couldn't do the right thing because like they didn't want to hurt their feelings i mean god he wouldn't shut up about how oh when he said when he's like all ariana had to do was follow me what the fuck it's like that was infuriating he's just like no if it's like it he was she just had to follow me she didn't follow me it was her job to follow me and if she would have followed me she would have known the whole fuck what the fuck are you saying all of his girlfriends like feel crazy for being like hey where were you when he comes home at 4 a.m like i bet he's been so fucking shady about certain things insecure yeah i'm like human gaslight yeah he is a human gas we actually like watch someone truly sit there and try to convince themselves that everything

that they were doing was right. Like Tom really, like, I think that he still thinks he's right. Like, I don't think he thinks that I get for, I don't think that he thinks he's wrong in this still. I think he thinks he's wrong. Like,

like I said, in other episodes where it's just like an oops. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. There's no, my bad. There's no like big, like he accidentally cut you off.

Yeah. You know, or didn't realize that you were in line and, you know, it's like, oh, you haven't ordered yet. I'm sorry for, you know, my bad. I didn't mean to step in front of you. That's how he's treating us. That's how he's treating it.

Which is so diminishing to like your nine year relationship of like memories and things you created and all the things you've done. Like that's so hurtful. Like that's the worst feeling ever. Like you're looking at someone and they're like a Pandora's box of all the things you created and all the things you've done like that's so hurtful like that's the worst feeling ever like you're looking at someone and they're like a pandora's box of all the things you created that now would just seem unreal like it just it all seems like it was like a big ponzi scheme do you think sheena and katie will uh be able to settle their beef now that will this have will this bring them together i think this definitely has brought them together but maybe i don't know if sheena and katie will ever be best

friends but now they'll be cordial like i just don't think that they were ever meant i think they were forcing each other to be best friends but i think that they can now be cordial in the same room and go to the same parties yeah i think we all can now just without them three involved like now we can all kind of hang out and be around each other and it not be that. Like everyone's kind of like, okay, cool. We can trust these people. Thankfully. We're taking a field trip to Schwartz and Sandy's on Saturday.

Oh my God. Have you been? I have not. Yeah. I live in Silver Lake, so it's kind of near my house. But we're going on Saturday. Why? We want to see. Oh, just like by choice how often do they are they there carly tom and i mean from what i heard my boyfriend

cory just went to where was he at he saw tom's shorts at tom tom from what i heard he's there all the time right now looking very sad that's all i heard that's sad that's what i said all day home that's depressing like why are you there going and looking sad and also the hey can i have a coke or something grabs gore's light yeah yeah right heavy drinkers yeah well i mean you kind of have to be sort of interesting that i mean katie is always calling him an alcoholic yeah and is he Charlie because I that is not something on me to put you know that's I don't want to put that kind of rumor that's a very

big like statement to put on someone you know but do we drink a lot yeah like also to get off the season and then you get right back thrown into it and you have to relive all your bad memories my sister sent me the clip of katie a few episodes ago and she's making her hair of the dog with like a celsius and she's like

don't judge me butter and my sister was like why am i katie don't judge me oh when tom and then when tom and rachel like cheersed what an awkward like moment to cheers and then do a shot over and chase it with beer and then when they were talking about how they couldn't kiss because the cameras there they were getting off on the fact that they couldn't kiss but wanted to also I was there the night they were filming that I literally like checked my receipts because I was like it was fucking

March 4th and then he's talking to Ariana and she's asking when he's gonna see Raquel again and I'm like he's gonna fucking see her tomorrow because he came over on March 4th I live on the same floor as Raquel wait what why is this only coming out now? I was like, well, I just was watching them drink disgusting shit. They could have knocked on my door.

I would have given them something. I was like, has Raquel ever had whiskey before? But that's also not her apartment. But it's a fake one? Yeah. She's renting it from someone else. Oh. Yeah.

She's your fake neighbors. Yeah. Unless she was out put on the lease now. But yeah. What neighborhood do you live in, man? We're in NoHo. Okay. fake neighbors. Yeah. Unless you got put on the lease now. But yeah. What neighborhood do you live in, man? Or in NoHo. Okay. Got it.

Got it. Neighborhood. I just, I don't, I, you know, we're recording. So I'm not going to pry. But they all live around in North Hollywood. Yeah. It's, I didn't, they're all my neighbors. Do you live in North Hollywood too?

I do. Damn. NoHo grew. He's a little closer to Tom and Ariana. Oh, so you're like kind of right around the corner. Your Valley. They're on your side. I'm in Valley Village. Yeah. That's nice. That's cool. I enjoy Tom and Ariana. Oh, so you're like kind of right around the corner. Your Valley. They're on your side. Valley Village.

Yeah. That's nice. That's cool. I enjoy it. Yeah. I'm far. Where do you live? I'm in thick of Hollywood now.

Right in the thick of it, which is crazy. But because my first seasons, I was I lived in Venice for six years. That's how she and I became close. We were neighbors on the west side together. What else do you want to get off your chest? I don't know. Why did you guys do this on me now? Why is it back on me?

What do I want to say? I will say that this has been an experience and I'm really grateful for all the people I met and all the things. And I'm really sad that this is kind of the new history now. And this is kind of where we're at in life. And I hope the future gets better for everyone.

I love to see the women on the show succeed now, which I think is awesome to see. And I hope that I have a great life also going forward and new things too. Can I ask you a question back to the jewelry lightning bolt scene? Oh, God. We're back to that. Jesus. Jumped. What do you want to say charlie and then i'm like theories about that nick well how that happened yeah i was just more curious as to knowing how reality tv is shot like how was it presented to you like hey you guys are just gonna go buy some jewelry because it sure seems like she clearly wanted

to buy this very specific. So no one knew about it. I thought that was very interesting. Your article too, where they talked about like the sixth sense element of it all, where like now that we know the truth, watching it back, it seems so obvious of what's going on, but no one really knew. You're only seeing like two minutes of like that shopping trip was because I missed her birthday because the whole

homeless man breaking into my house thing, so I was upset with her. They were supposed to go shopping for something about her. We weren't like that. How did you guys end up? There was jewelry there. Yeah, Raquel talked about the jewelry. We picked out outfits and she said oh my god, I want some new

jewelry. I just went to Montauk that past summer. We picked out outfits and she said, oh my God, I want some new jewelry. I just went to Montauk that past summer. We went to the Hamptons and Montauk. I just bought a bunch of jewelry. So I was like, jewelry is a great investment. Duh. Like everyone should buy gold and diamond. How did you end up at a store where it had the exact lightning bolt that Tom had? They had a bunch of symbols. It's like one of those typical where they have like an evil eye, a heart. And we tried on other necklaces. That's the thing that like we tried on a lot of symbols. It's like one of those typical where they have like an evil eye, a heart. And we tried on other necklaces. That's the thing that like we tried on a lot of jewelry. We tried on layers. We tried on ones that

had hearts. Okay. So it was a truly organic moment. A truly organic lightning bolt. 100% organic. Yeah. Because it just seemed very on the nose. It was just like it raised questions of did production know about this and maybe

and yeah I mean you think there's a maybe there I mean I don't who knows like who knows like maybe they know something Raquel would not like I don't think I mean that seems like a bridge too far to me that she would say like there's a light I want to buy a lightning

you know like I just don't yeah I don't think that she was thinking that ahead. I think that they were being sneaky and they were getting off on being sneaky. It was like a fun thing. Oh, they clearly were getting off on it. It was so evident that Raquel and Tom seen Raquel's fake apartment that we now know,

breaking news. I'm confused by that because she's there somewhat frequently and she's taking mirror selfies and posting them on Instagram. She's walking her dog in the neighborhood. She knows place and she lives in San Diego. Yeah. And you know, so like

they're in a position where they're able to like rent their show place. Yeah. So to speak. A lot of people like have temporary apartments. Yeah. Yeah. Like that all the time. But like when you think about the Raquel and Tom scene, like this was a day after this all broke and even you would just think if nothing else there they would be terrified i mean at least swartz seemed

to understand the scope of like how bad this is gonna be yeah or sandoval didn't and raquel didn't they were just kind of two kids. I think you made a great point earlier where like they really thought they were going to be like the Brad and Angelina Jolie. Yeah. Where it didn't matter that Brad left Jennifer Aniston type of thing. Exactly. That they were just going to love these two because they're, you know, two hot people or something. That's exactly.

I think that's exactly the plan. And what was the plan? And I think that they thought everyone was just going to bridge over. I still think that. I don't think that's exactly the the plan and what was the plan and i think that they thought everyone was just going to bridge over i still think that i don't think it's registered what would do you think they've gotten death threats i mean i'm not i'm not condoning death threats but like like 95 of the reaction and there has been a huge reaction for months has been negative i can explain a little bit that psyche to you. Please do.

I was the villain on my first season of The Bachelor. Yeah. I did a pretty good job of staying off my phone. Sandoval even told Sartre, stay off your phone, was the advice he gave him on the episode. Sandoval is still in his band, right? And I remember being the villain of my season living in Chicago. And whatever was being said to me on the internet,

but when I walked into a bar in Chicago, I was treated like a rock star. Everyone's nice to you. Even if the first thing they do when they leave you is talk to you behind your back, you don't know that. And you're treated like a rock star. And so Sandoval's out there

in his band and he's still getting attention and people are fawning over him and women are still trying to sleep with him and taking selfies with him and being totally hot and i'm sure there's fans in the crowd being like fuck you team ariana and things like that but for a guy who loves the attention and validation i think he's able to compartmentalize the negativity and just embrace the fame, this overwhelming amount of attention that is coming his way. And he's gotten very good at doing that. Wow. Boom. That's where we end it, huh? No, yeah, I think that you're kind of right. Yeah. no yeah I think that you're kind of right yeah since I found out about his band I've been very

fascinated with that just his his need to to me it's all about wanting the attention because and I've said this before like there's something about like guys in Bachelor Nation they love to do the bar appearances like they go to

the bar and they like I've had like guys from Bachelor Nation will call me up for advice you know just be like you know how do I navigate to do the bar appearances like they go to the bar and they like i've had like guys from bachelor nation will call me up for advice you know just be like you know how do i navigate this world and they're just like hey do you know any like leads on like should i be going to the bar yeah should i be going to like like no i mean for real should i be like doing what no because they like because they don't they don't even get that much money that was just supposed to do no but they i'm learning but they go and they show up at these bars and they have a bunch of you know But they go and they show up at these bars and they have a bunch of, you know, young, drunk fans who are just throwing themselves at these guys.

And, you know, that's that's the payoff, I guess. Isn't Tom losing money on every show, though, because he has a massive band and is other than a successful show here and there. I think the New York one was sold out. But I don't know. Like he that's a a loss leader for him. But I think it was a loss leader before he even like for the scandal even happened. Like, what are you

doing? Like, what are you doing to cover band? I was like a firefighter. And then she put some of her retirement in dollars I mean they get good pensions right but I mean that I'm you know worried for his mom's I hope that because remember when he borrowed against

the house yes stresses me out yes yeah that's why Schwartz and Sandy's can't move out yeah well then she's stuck too yikes thank god we're gonna go and order some drinks so you can yeah i guess she's bills i think ariana gonna be just fine she's gonna be just fine she is raving raking it in yeah and good for her yeah i wonder what's next for ariana i hope she you

know honestly i really do hope she like separates and separate me like my personal i just don't think it's a healthy place to live in and rehash and have to because you're gonna have to feel you can't like be like i'm not gonna film with them that's not no that's an excellent point i mean anyone who's dealt with infidelity or any type of trauma or stress i think she should like get over it you have to like separate yourself from anyone who's associated because when you talk about it,

you know, it just keeps you, it keeps that energy in there. So yeah, unfortunately for Ariana, as long as she stays on Vanderpump,

she will never fully be able to leave that trauma behind with Sandoval because she'll, it'll come up constantly

whether she's in scenes with them or not and it's gonna be a constant like rehashing and re-navigating and hearing more and more and more I felt bad that she has to even like be in that position because it almost feels suffocating at times I mean even I fucking knew everything because it's suffocating for katie and schwartz these are two people dogs aside who should not be interacting yeah who should not be trying to be friends like he is never going to do what she wants he is never i want like stand up be a normal person be have her back as a friend yeah i mean when you watch old seasons like he absolutely absolutely hated her, you know, even before they got married, like he had such a well of anger against her. And it's almost like she was always the enemy in every story for no reason.

It's silly. Because Katie has boundaries. She's a normal person. Tom does not understand boundaries at all. And do you think that's why maybe part of the reason, because you're saying he hated her, like part of the reason that he did want to stay in the relationship for so long is because it's perfect good cop opportunity for him because he has this person who's opinionated

and doesn't take bullshit and isn't going to diminish themselves and then he gets to always be like the pacifist guy who swoops in and like makes it a chill night with beers. Or in a way like Katie, you know maybe made him like maybe he knew deep down that katie was good for him you know that checked him and like leveled him up a little bit and maybe he just never could grow up well not to sound bad but like

we saw schwartz's apartment last night and even my my cory my boyfriend was like what the fuck he couldn't like clean or't clean or wipe something down. He chose to be like that. That just shows that he validates why Katie is like, I don't want to be with that. Because look at the apartment. If some guy brought me to that apartment, he's well above the age to even high. He can have a maid. He makes enough money.

He can have a fucking maid to clean up before like i don't know that's embarrassing and like it's like kind of i was gonna ask thank you for saying that because i was just what's the angle like i was thinking like there's no way why would he want this why would he not have the self-awareness be like i'm gonna take 10 minutes and pick up yeah you could do a lot of cleaning damage in 10 minutes if you just throw it in a closet that you don't open. And he was like,

now we're good. We're just fine. Let's just leave that out. We're all taped. He does not care. And that kind of just shows of like, that's why even this season

me and Katie had opportunities and like moments that didn't make the cut, which is fine, but where I was like, whoa, like I could like

see why you left the situation and I felt so bad for her after Havasu of like how much everyone in the group kept kind of just making like oh well it's just Schwartz that's what Schwartz does and like no one kept like no one was listening to Katie of being like this hurts my feelings like Schwartz can't keep just hurting my feelings and I'm the bad guy every single time and it was really also heartbreaking to watch Katie go through that to this season behind scenes. Like, you know, when cameras are down of like, I have spent a lot of time with you're supposed to be just like a human to me. And that's totally lost in translation now.

It's like not even caring about someone just as like a person. What was something from this, if you don't mind, what was something from this if you don't mind what was something from the season that you thought as you were filming was going to be a story that didn't end up really being a big thing because there was something in the season trailer that i don't think ever happened on the show which is had to do with lalas talking about like stuff with randall and um the i think the la times article about him or something like that but it was just like were there things that as this ramped up just kind of fell away that you were surprised by i mean i think there was that i think there was a lot of things i even think like sheena's wedding

the drama between that i think there was just everything kind of got washed out by this like tom or cal and ariana thing because it's just like everything is kind of small and not really that big of a deal compared to that you know it's like even like there there was a lot that got cut and i do think that because all the other scenes we film now that we see it even like the lightning bolt necklace thing it's like we didn't see those but all the episodes that kind of validated what everyone was saying made it so I think that no one really paid attention to all the other outside noise that was going on and I honestly thought like before this happened like I was like I don't even know what's gonna happen next season because like we all there was drama but there was nothing like I said everyone was really holding back with a lot of things last year and like we didn't have as tight of a knit

group with each other to like have any big moments really happen I do hope that I get to show more of myself and more in depth than who I am and what I do because I feel like everything I've ever done has never been shown from my work ethic to like things I do on my free time. Like I'm not just doing a band, like everything I do, I accomplish and it's really great. So I felt like I hope that I get to show that side of myself, be maybe more vulnerable. And also like I said, I'm in the best place I've ever been. So I feel like I can actually show up, bring the right kind of drama, have the right kind of fun. And you know, feel like I can actually show up bring the right kind of drama have the right kind of fun and you know just like I said show more of like who I am the real version not like the face I was putting on I feel like I've gotten to know you a lot better in just these 90 minutes and I

feel grateful for it so I hope we are lucky enough to get more Charlie on season 11. Yeah. Now we can all be friends. Yeah, absolutely. Kate, Nick, my new friends. Any more questions? I think I'm good. Okay. This has been great. It's been an absolute pleasure. Thank you both so much for coming. Charlie, Kate, please let my audience know where they can follow you, enjoy

more of your content, all of the above. Please plug away. You go first, Kate. I work at Variety I'm on Twitter still under my name I don't know I'm just on the internet Charlie? Nice I'm also on the

internet I'm Charlie Burnett on Instagram Twitter and TikTok I love TikTok by by the way. Okay. If you guys want to make one after this, we can. Do you have any ideas? But yeah, you guys can find me there.

I do. We're done. We can do like a funny, like, never mind. But yeah, you guys can find me there. Also, too, like, yeah, find me on Instagram. Reach out. I love meeting people. I'm also doing my skincare now.

So if you ever want to come and visit me at the doctor's office. Amazing. Yeah.'s office. Amazing. Yeah. All right. Yeah. Well, thank you guys so much for listening. Don't forget to send those questions at asknick at thevilefiles.com for all your Ask Nick inquiries. Anything else I'm missing, ladies?

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