The Viall Files - E587 Going Deeper with G Flip - Vegas Weddings, Selling Sunset, and Love Songs

Episode Date: May 25, 2023

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Going Deeper Edition! At the beginning of the episode, we talk about pop culture headlines like Ariana Madix’s latest interview, Jeff Bezos’ engagement, and an altercation over a Hot Pocket. Then, we are joined by musician G Flip to discuss their Vegas wedding with Chrishell Stausse, filming Selling Sunset, releasing the single “Be Your Man,” and what we can expect from their upcoming first North American tour. We then have a Sweating the Wedding caller who recently un-invited their girlfriend from a family wedding and isn’t sure where their relationship stands.  “We just fell in love but we were actively trying not to.” Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  Find G’s tour dates here: https://www.gflipmusic.com/ Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes. Join us for our new LIVE show on Thursdays at 9PM ET/6PM PT on Amp, available in the Apple app store. Android User? Listen here: https://www.onamp.com/  To Order Nick’s Book Go To: http://www.viallfiles.com  If you would like to get some texting advice on Office Hours send an email to [e-mail] with “Texting Office Hours” in the subject line! To advertise on the show, contact [e-mail] or visit https://www.advertisecast.com/TheViallFiles  THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: June’s Journey - Find hidden clues and uncover a murder mystery. Can you crack the case? Download June’s Journey for free today on iOS and Android. Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @gflip @alison.vandam @liffordthebigreddog @dereklanerussell 

you're crazy what's going on everybody welcome back to a new and exciting episode of the vile files going deeper edition i'm your host nick joined by the household of Allie, Amanda, and Derek. Unfortunately, our pop culture correspondent could not be with us today. We have a very exciting project that we are doing at home that's taking place this afternoon and night. I can't really tell you what it is yet, but it's something with our home and I'm excited to share it with you guys in the future. It's a real moment for me. It's big. moment for me.

It's big. But I feel like the nostalgia factor. The nostalgia factor is through the roof. No, it's a big deal for Natalie too. I was talking to her about it. She was like, if you would have told little me. Yeah, it's really cool. So anyways, she couldn't be with us today, but we are hopefully going to hold the fort down

in this pop culture segment of our episode. We have the wonderful G Flip with us today. Very exciting. Round of applause for G Flip. Recently married G Flip to their lovely bride, Chrishell. Also G Flip, a new member of Selling Sunset. So we get into all of that with G Flip, their relationship, the wedding. What a beautiful uh relationship it was nice to uncover some things about uh that relationship obviously their very

successful music career uh so all that and much much more before we get into some of our uh you know what do we call this part of the episode i don don't know. It feels like a chit chat. Yeah, sure. All right. We'll get back to you on that. A couple of housekeeping notes. Next week, Memorial Day weekend. If you haven't heard already, we want you to enjoy that Memorial Day weekend.

We're shifting everything a day in the beginning of the week. So, ASNIC is going to be on Tuesday, not Monday. And then a very exciting and special episode of Freestyle on Wednesday with James Kennedy, his wonderful girlfriend, Allie. Very excited about that. Obviously, we'll get into all the Vanderpump tea and drama. Thoughts maybe about Ariana. Ariana.

I loved Howl and Charlie episode. We all went back and forth. Anyway, that's going to be a very exciting episode. That is on Wednesday. And then Going Deeper is remaining the same Thursday with Mary Fitzgerald from Selling Sunset. A lot to get into. Managing part, right?

Managing something. Yeah. We were excited to talk to Mary about all things Selling Sunset. Obviously, the drama between Nicole and Chrishell and how Mary was thrown unfairly in the middle of all this. There was that scene in Selling Sunset where like Nicole is like talking shit to Mary about Chrishell. And Nicole was like accusing Mary of like not wanting to be a part of the drama. And it just reminded me of one of those moments where someone is like not reading the room and

they're like talking shit to someone who doesn't agree with them and not on their side and they take that person's silence as like not wanting to get involved and when that silence really means i don't agree with you and i just don't feel like arguing with you right now that was the vibe i got from mary in that in that particular scene and moment but we're again we're happy to talk with Mary about obviously all things Selling Sunset. Catch up with Mary on her personal life. What's up? What's new? What's going on? How's Romaine? How's Romaine?

A little piece of lettuce. Super excited to have her on. So obviously a big week. And then the following week, following Thursday, we have Amanza from Selling Sunset. We're fully loaded on all things Selling Sunset for the next couple weeks. And Vanderpump. So lots to get into. Super excited.

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It's rated fresh, amazing, and wonderful. Everyone loves it. And it's a seven-day free trial. So you got nothing to lose. And for all the people who love our call, we have a great texting the wedding call today. Sweating the wedding. Texting the wedding is kind of the wedding it's a combination of texting

office hours and sweating the wedding it's all this is all just like relationship drama lots of fun if you are tuning in for g flip or you just love our pop culture aspect or you just love her going deeper just know that if you love those calls every Monday it's a full episode

of relationship stories and drama and relationship advice and stuff like that. So be sure to check that all out. All right. All right. Ariana was on Call Her Daddy. So thankful for all the people out there that wished Ariana did our show instead of Call Her Daddy. Alex is a friend. She does a good job. Super bummed that we didn't get Arianariana but hey great hustle by alex she she got she got the exclusive we're excited for her super bummed for us also the charlie episode if you haven't listened to that yet it's so fucking wild and amazing and truly giving and also just charlie won me over so much on a personal level for just very interesting she's very open

articulate smart she's positive in a way that doesn't feel phony. Good takes. Yeah, I want her back for sure. Shout out, Charlie. I do think, yeah, Ariana's interview was really it just made so much sense because it felt like I would love to listen to Sandoval's interview like with Howie Mandel combined with Ariana's interview for Call Her Daddy because she just really like speaks to all of the wild claims Tom made. Like, for example, like trigger warning when Tom said part of the reason that he was unable to break up with her and was forced to fuck her friend for months was because Ariana was feeling was threatened to kill herself. Was like Tom's worst to fuck her friend. Poor boy. I gotta put my dick in her again. Really taking one for the team fucker friends. Poor boy. This old pageant queen.

Really taking one for the team. A brave, brave boy. And Ariana clarifies that Tom's claims that she was going to end her life was, she was saying, if we break up, I'm leaving the show. I'm deleting my Instagram. My life here in LA as I know it is over, which makes a lot of sense. We've all said stuff like that. My life is over, which makes a lot of sense. We've all said stuff like that. Like, oh, my life is over.

Like, and even again, even if in that moment she made a statement about thoughts of suicide, like, first of all, like anyone who is dealing with that, that shouldn't be weaponized against them.

If she literally said that and you actually were worried about that, your solution to that was to fuck her friend yeah clearly you didn't take that seriously because if you really thought their life was in danger i really hope that you would have you know as as sheena said got on the phone call the team call the friends call the family be like i'm really concerned about ariana no she he he went on a podcast and weaponized that against her a hundred percent

he used it as like a soundbite and Ariana is like very open and she says like I've had suicidal ideation before like but this is not what that was and so for him to like misconstrue it is just so quintessential Tom because like the other stuff that came out like we were saying right before like how the night it all happened they were in an uber and like... Can we get the Uber driver on this show? Literally. Where is that Uber driver? I want to know where, if you drove Ariana and Tom home from that gig

where she's on the phone with Sheena and he's on the phone with Raquel and you had to stop so they could go in for cigarettes and Ariana's venting to you. Well, they're like arguing about, like, they're in an Uber driver? Is this a... With Sheena and raquel on individual

speaker phones while while sheena and raquel are together after watch what happens live yes damn like bonkers i want the uber driver i'll make you a dramatic sizzle yeah and the quote of the like ariana says in her interview she's like yeah like when tom got went in i turned to the uber driver and was like are you hearing this like because again Tom was I think the uber driver's just like yeah crazy yeah and then Alex was like oh did he did you give him five stars or like did he give you five stars which I would say absolutely earned five stars but it's like it's clear that like it we didn't just catch Tom in a bad moment on the show of him being really rageful and blaming her like that has been his entire take

since the beginning like there wasn't even initial remorse it has been entirely like i am the true victim here and like you're horrible and crazy for having emotions about this and it is just like tom tomming at his most did ariana speak to what she saw in Raquel as a friend and why when Raquel was kind of showing these signs of bad behavior or or not being a good friend to other people and this kind of like these kind of shady actions that did not register with her? Or, you know, why would she choosing to kind of look the other way when it came to Raquel while other people weren't? Did that ever come up, or do we know? I'm not sure that she addresses friendships. Okay. But she did address why she was initially attracted

to Tom in the first place, which I feel like is the burning question on everyone's mind, like what the fuck could you possibly see in this man? But like also in terms of- That's kind of an unfair question, though. I don't think he's- Do you think Tom Sandoval's hot? I don't. I think Tom Sandoval's hot. I don't.

I think he's traditionally attractive. And I think many people objectively really find him attractive. Yes. Right now, obviously, like everyone looks at him and goes, yuck, gross. But like, you can't say he's an unattractive person. Yeah, you can. Physically. He's a worm with a mustache.

Physically very wormy. But we did. We got an email from someone who attended a Tom Sandoval and the most extras concert. I was like, to be fair, it was a really high energy, great show from the cover band. And by the way, Tom is ripped. Was what they wanted to share with us. Yeah. I mean, like Tom Sandoval might not be your physical type, whoever you you are.

But like, objectively, he's a good-looking person and i'm just saying in defense to ariana like she's a day in the sky for nine years and we're all looking at sandoval based off of like all that's unfolded but i will say the second he made the comment about lala quote sucking dick for a range rover i fucking hated this man and so i like i especially this season yeah but even when they do flashback clips it's like yeah I'm not stumping for Tom Sandoval here I'm just

objectively he's I could see why women are attracted to him I argue with your objective point of view I personally was really baffled and confuddled as to why what like what personal qualities all scandal stuff aside like what personal qualities would draw ariana to him i'm defending ariana because from

the ariana i i don't know her that well but she seems like a smart intelligent person who's beautiful and and seems to like she could have generally speaking her pick of the litter and her pick was tom sandoval and i'm like, you know, as bad as he's coming across now, like, I don't think it's a reflection on Ariana because she was in love with this guy for nine years, like certainly not criticizing her for it more. I did not understand it. But when she said, like, the thing that initially attracted to her was his earnestness and the way he likes to do everything like in full and how he doesn't just want to like make a drink he wants to like he's a passionate guy yeah like people love passion you know people love like people

think you know they're into you know if you see someone passionate about something else and they can be passionate about you you know it's inspiring to see someone like give a shit about anything especially nowadays it's inspiring that not only did he just go to bed with Ariana, he left the bed and found another one with Raquel. That's wild that he fucked Raquel at their house while Ariana was in bed. What did you guys think of Ariana's like move, false move out that was actually a brand deal? So there are all these photos of her with a U-Haul carrying boxes out. And then it came out that it was actually like the boxes had finance written on them. And she was wearing a SoFi sweater.

Get your bag. I mean. Kind of. And also like brilliant. You know what I mean? When you think about like all the ways that a brand deal could be executed, like staging a move out. So it's all the photos are going to be taken by the paparazzi promoted on every single news outlet. You don't have to do shit.

Like you definitely only have a few of those. I hope she got paid for that. Yeah. You got to get a big paycheck because you can't be pulling that constantly. Like you can only whip that out every now and then. Well, yeah, because there's a level of credibility that she she took a risk to do that. Right. She took a risk by making a like staging a false claim and making it seem, you know,

especially I'm sure a lot of fans were like, oh, fuck. Yeah. Ariana, like you're it seem, you know, especially I'm sure a lot of fans were like, oh, fuck yeah, Ariana, like you're moving out, you know, whatever. Only to be like,

ooh, just kidding. I was, you know, and I think it's great. I mean, get your bag, but yeah,

you can't keep doing that. So I hope they paid her a ton of money because yeah, you, you can't, you can't do that. You can't just keep moving out. You can't. Well,

not only the moving out, you can't keep making false claims. Or do things that people could interpret as deceptive deceptive for you for for you to do ads and things like that i think it was great but you're threading the needle you know and uh i just hope they paid for the privilege of jumping on the drama i it should i hope it better been a six-figure deal well you know what was a seven-figure deal? It was Jeff Bezos' engagement ring to Lauren Sanchez. This is his... High school sweetheart, isn't it? I think that was his first wife, right?

I thought... Or maybe this is like his neighbor or something. This is the person who he was famously having an affair with before the divorce was finalized to his first wife of 25 years. Okay, I don't, maybe I'm I don't really know much, but my understanding is it's like, I mean, it's the richest guy in the world. It's like he started dating someone

he had some sort of rapport with, which I think in itself is kind of interesting. I mean, Lisa's not going around and throwing his dick everywhere. Yeah, and this... Maybe. I don't know. This engagement comes after they've been dating for five years. Yeah, and this... Maybe... I don't know. This engagement comes after they've been dating for five years.

Like, a lot of friends were, like, quoted as saying they were so happy he finally did it. And it makes sense that... But he got divorced in 2019. Natalie met them. Yeah. Really?

That's wild. Very nice people. I would like to say, when I was doing a bit of, like, research to cover this, I will say, let's not forget the sexting scandal. Do you remember this? When Jeff Bezos like part, there was a lot of speculation that

like the only reason he like got divorced or like kind of fessed up to stuff was he was being blackmailed with like both like images and text messages of his like mistress while he was married. Yes. And that was Lauren Sanchez. And one of the texts, one of of this i'm putting sex in like very heavy air quotes because like i don't know that i would consider this sexy at all but he said i love you alive girl i will show you with my body my lips and my eyes very soon like

alive girl hello is he fucking robots here's the? Here's the thing. Here's the thing. In defense to Jeff, Jeffrey, we are not meant to be reading people's sexting. It is weird. Go back and read old love letters that you sent. Go back and read old sexting messages to your current partner or former partner. You will cringe about the shit that you said in the moment when you're all horned up the both of you and come across as hot but it's fucking weird to read like in a dramatic reading what did we have derrick read the other my load i want you to take my load again and again yeah this is fucking gross yuck but like when you're when you're sexting with someone like that that's such a violation

of people's privacy you're not even sexting like even just trying to spit game if text messages get leaked about like some move some guys sent to someone or uh a message like some woman sent to a guy everyone likes to read and be like oh that's yuck what an ick like it's just like you know what fuck you you know what fuck you you know what they're actually they're fucking trying and they maybe they thought it was smooth because as we all know the difference between an ick and something is hot is essentially what you think about the person saying it do you think they're hot do you want to fuck them you know things like that and it's such a i think it's such a bullshit move for people to get their hands on people's personal messages that are kind of vulnerable, especially like sexting or trying to spit game and then act like they're fucking Casanova.

That's a valid point. And I think the alive girl thing is because all the other stuff, it's like, yeah, I get it. I'll show you with my body, my lips, my eyes. Yeah. Like that's the kind of thing where it's like no matter how you spin it and these are very intimate text messages and i say good for you i mean the jeff bezos was a nerd in a garage like 30 years ago and now he's like this buff bald dude you know alive he's like fucking mr clean yeah well what is this i don't know maybe i'm not what do you mean by a live girl that's what i mean like that's what he said. What did he say? He said, I love you, alive girl. That's what I said. Is he fucking robots? That amazing. He's like, Alexa.

He's like. Okay, well, given that it's Jeff Bezos, I can see why you think that. If anyone's fucking robots, it's. It's him. It's Jeff Bezos. But a live girl could be like an inside joke. Maybe she's the life of the party. Maybe, you know, it could be a million things that don't include him fucking robots and we're not supposed to be fucking reading their like personal message you know the shit that natalie calls me i don't you know like yeah i don't want

people reading all that shit you know it's it's whatever but like you could easily go oh my god like you didn't really say that you mean't down early so pop off jeff congratulations you know i'm sorry if he cheated that sucks like weird but like his ex seems to be crushing it she immediately became like one of the richest people in the world yeah that's what um loot was all about that tv show on apple tv plus was like kind of loosely based off of that that nick leeman was a writer for absolutely friend of show just for details like the ring i think was like 23 carats or something insane like that and it was on a 500 million dollar yacht and i just so yeah bigger than natalie's okay yeah oh two point what five mil yeah 2.5 million dollars you're walking around with 2.5 million dollars on your on your hand i get you're like the richest

person in the world but don't like that you're a literal target on your back like 2.5 million dollars like wouldn't you feel like that'd be a little scary to carry around well if that was all you have if that was everything i'm not talking about no no no but i think in in because they're so rich yeah but you're missing my point. It's not about it's not about their ability to replace it or that two point five million dollars to them is like a nickel. It says that two point five million dollars to everyone else. They're walking around to be a target to be a target of theft or and I'm sure they have security or whatever. But that's the thing. Like you're literally wearing a target on your hand for if

someone figures out wait that's 2.5 million dollars i mean literally think about what happened not that i know anything about the black market but even if they had to like sell it at a discount that's a lot of fucking money it's i would i get nervous with the ring that nally has on her hand and it's i mean compared to that is like a fucking piece of yarn but there's substantial value to that it makes you a little uncomfortable knowing that you have so much money or wealth or

value like so easily out there it just it it would make me uncomfortable it's not about them whether she loses it or it's it's replacing value to Jeff it's just that you know there's a lot of desperate people out there. Well, think about Kim in Paris. The thing the robber said to her was the ring.

That's all they want. That's what they came for. Yeah. That's why, like, wearing jewelry in flashy jewelry, like, it's, it's, I'd get scared. Like anything, though. But also, like, being on a $500 million yacht, like, I wonder at a certain point if they're desensitized because they're constantly, like, they have, like, a disturbing amount of money so they can do whatever they want. Like, and so they're constantly in these environments that are, like, must be incredibly secure because there's, like, these obscene luxuries that, like, they're having, you know?

Oh, well. Good for him. To conclude, I think a very wholesome story is that Harry Styles. Oh, not the guy who killed his roommate over a Hot Pocket? Oh, my God. Okay, okay. Let's actually do that. There is a man who, in Kentucky, I believe, who allegedly shot his roommate for eating the last Hot Pocket.

Did he kill him? That's him? Shot. He shot. So the guy survived. It would appear. Can I see the photo? I thought it was was gonna be like a 19 year old no it's just like a grumpy old man situation oh what like roommate faux pas would make your blood boil the most like make you most enraged

i mean just in general my roommate like faux pas would like, leaving standing water or food in the sink. Clean your pots and pans. Yes, people! You know, respect the common area. You know, other than that, like, I had a pretty casual roommate policy, which is just, like, this is both of our houses, and you don't want to,

and, like, I think this is a golden roommate rule for anyone listening who's about to move in with a roommate. Like, it's your place, but it's also their place. And the more rules you fucking have, the more likely both of you will not feel comfortable in your own goddamn apartment or house.

So respect the common area. If you want to be a filthy, be filthy in your room, but do your best to respect the common area. No standing water in the sink. And when it comes to things like food and clothes, I think it behooves you to have a generally open door policy. You might have to finagle that a little bit, you know, because like one person, you know, but it's just like, I would always say to my friends, like, listen, if you like my clothes, like help yourself, whatever, like put it back. Don't, you know, if you ruin it, replace it,

whatever. Food wise, it would be like, you know know a lot of frozen pizzas back in the day when i was in in my 20s and it's just like man like just replace anything you eat and you know in a reasonable time you know so it's like if they eat the frozen pizza and don't replace it two weeks later that's fucking annoying but like you know you start you start labeling your food in a fridge that's not a house that i want to live in you know like this like this is, oh, that's mine and that's yours. Stay off limits and everything's labeled or, you know, it was more like you want your fridge to be your fridge and you want your house to be your house. So like, I always thought a general like what's mine is yours policy within reason as long as we're respectful, but like always worked well and early on i had a like

a kind of anal roommates early on where i was like i don't want to be here you have all these like yeah rules in my fucking house like you are militant with your i feel like labeling their food it's like you know what i don't this is fuck you something else i've observed is that whoever has like the most like stringent cleaning standards i feel like has moral righteousness like where they're like in a good way or you disagree in a way where i'm like i think it should be more of a conversation within reason like in terms of i think with like certain cleanly like bacteria germs countertops like standing water stuff like that like i'm all for like, kind of a non-negotiable. Got to keep it clean. But like if somebody likes for there to like not be shoes by

the door or like for there to like never be anything on. Oh, yeah. Fuck you. But I feel like whenever I've had those kinds of conversations with roommates in the past, like there's always this kind of like and I'm cleaner than you. And so therefore I'm right. Yeah, you're a nightmare. If you are an anal person who has very particular cleanliness habits, that's on you to make sure that you either live by yourself or you live with someone who shares in that policy. But like, yeah, like to sit there, move in and then start throwing all these like rules. And like try to shame your roommates. Because it's like, no, it should be a total conversation compromise negotiation. But just like everything else, upfront expectations before you move in with people like

you just say i'm a little messy i'm not filthy but like what's mine is yours or not like do you label food like you have to have these conversations up front uh or or otherwise yeah because you're not going to get your roommate your 22 22-year-old roommate, to drastically change their habits. You can't change them. You can't. Because you are OCD in terms of the cleaning department. There you have it. Yeah.

Derek was on jury duty when we recorded the G Flip episode. So Allie was matting the... Allie was being a woman in STEM. She was holding down the fort. She was stepping up. And she deserves a lot of credit And she very nobly Took the hit

We also have a new team member Addison We're excited to bring to you The household grows The household is growing It's great We're a growing family Well this is wild stuff.

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We usually like to start these interviews with, I asked my guest the question, how is your heart? But you are recently married, so I presume your heart is full of love. Is that accurate? My heart is warm and feeling cute. All right. Well, congratulations, by the way. Just a big round of applause for G and Chrishell. Congratulations, by the way. Just a big round of applause for G and Chrishell. Thank you. Yeah, I was so excited to see the announcement. It seemed like it was kind of a surprise to the world. How much planning went into this? Can you give a little inside scoop to the wedding of G, Flip, and Chrishell?

How did it all come to pass? It was very unplanned and very untraditional. Okay. Love that. I recently got engaged. Did you? Well, in January. Congrats, man. Thank you. But I'd love to hear your kind of wedding process because I'm taking notes from anyone who's willing to share their story. Oh, well, not a lot of planning went into it. As a non-planner, love that. I'm super into the non-planning. Yeah, because she's already done the big traditional, a lot of planning wedding before in her life. And yeah, I'm not big on

traditional things. And obviously just me and Giselle being together is super, to some people, very untraditional. But yeah, it was, you know, day of. We just picked outfits from our closets. Not much thought went into the outfit, you know, planning that for months or anything. And then, yeah, just went through with it day of. And it was honestly the most fun and beautiful day of my life. it was the most exciting and like the best memory i

have in my group of memories that's that's incredible how like how did you both decide to do it my fans and i were watching the office have you ever seen the office i've seen a few okay uh there's an episode where jim and pam like, I just woke up today and decided I want to get married. And they were going to get married at a courthouse. Is that similar to the conversation with you and Chrishell? Or like one day it was like, should we get married? Or how did that conversation come where you quickly decided to get married? Or was there conversations leading up to that?

you know get married or was there conversations leading up to that there was definitely conversations leading up to it because Chrishell um you know didn't want to go through with another big traditional marriage planning huge super heaps of guests I've never been big on that either and we'd always say if we ever went to Vegas you know we'd probably get married okay and then um we ended up going to vegas and then everything happened just like we said it would happen it's incredible and um yeah it was just it was super beautiful and super cute and um yeah obviously there's a lot of people who don't agree with it and uh we get for it. But for us, just for me and Chrishell, like it was just so us and it was just so awesome. And we plan to do a ceremony every single year because we're like, why would you just do it once?

Oh, so you want to have almost like a wedding every year. Every year. In different locations. Love that. With different amounts of people i don't know you know like you have a birthday you celebrate your birthday once a year like you when you're married you're like you're with this person and you spend like every day with them why don't you celebrate that once a year like i don't know why i like this you know

people will renew their vows like 50 years later or something or 20 years later or 10 but i love this every year type of thing i think maybe like take a trip and like a you know take a trip different theme every year and the different locations because i'm sure you have loved ones all around the world so being able to have ceremonies with like the various groups we have like loved ones that weren't there you know um when we got married so it's like fun to be like well there's another date so then you know it's really i don't know it's totally untraditional um but for me and chrishell we you know we love each other we want to celebrate our love and we want to do it every year and we also just fucking love throwing a party so obviously uh i'm assuming the

i do's were very special but i always like you know in these types of you know beautiful days and memories that that couples share i like to think of like very you know unique moments you know like there was a moment when i got engaged where i was like you know looking out the car door and kind of thinking about our future and yada yada but it was like that was a moment for me that was kind of special was there a moment on that day for you that really stood out between you and Chrishell or just like a moment you had internally thinking about the relationship that you had um that like really meant a lot to you that you kind of go back and replaying your head over and over wow um i think so many parts of that day um i think

writing my vows was a big one because i really like i write songs so i've got a little poet inside me so i wanted to make sure that my vows were you know the the perfect way to describe, you know, my love and my feelings for her. So that was nerve-wracking and rehearsing that on the way there to the chapel. And then I think just afterwards, like we did like a round of photos and stuff and us just like being cute and holding hands and just celebrating the night together and the next night and just being like together and being like i love you so much and i'm so happy and we're just like it was just the best time

yeah i wish you were there it was so fun me too thanks for the other way well hey we've got more coming up yeah that's right there's so many more so many more can i come next year yeah bro great love this love this what is something about the two of you like is there something that after meeting chris shell you feel like she has taken maybe like an insecurity or a weakness that you have and helped you, you know, through it or just help you feel less concerned about it and vice versa? Is there something that after meeting Chrishell where you've helped support her with an insecurity or a weakness that you have where you guys are really just kind of elevating each other? Yeah, I think, you know, a lot of people would look at me and Chrishell

and think that like, what the fuck? Like, how did this happen? But we really- Couple of hearties, I don't know. What's the problem? I think we just compliment each other really well. I think, you know, we both have kind of similar career, like that we're both, you know, in the spotlight. We work in the entertainment industry, so we both definitely understand each other's schedules. And, you know, when we get busy and, you know, work is a priority sometimes and we're both very understanding of that.

I think when it comes to like a healthy relationship, you've got to have security within yourself. So I feel like just as individuals, we're both very secure people. We're secure in ourself and we know like our own worth. So I feel like when you're secure in yourself, it just makes your relationship so much more like it makes it easy because you're not you know there's no trust issues there's you know there's no insecurities about oh my god this person's gonna fucking leave me you know so I find that we're both very secure in ourselves but we also give each other the support to be secure in ourselves to like you know encourage each other and be like

you know you're great and like you know this is you know just giving each other and be like, you know, you're great. And like, you know, this is, you know, just giving each other that kind of support. I think just like we didn't know we were going to fall in love. And there was like this beautiful, like two weeks. Yeah. I apologize. I don't really know like your origin story of how the relationship came to be. Would you be willing to share that?

Yeah. So we met briefly in 2021, just like cross paths. Just my friend, Tones and I, who's an artist in Australia. She was friends with Rochelle and Rochelle was showing Tones houses over here. So we just like met in passing. And then the following year then this is how I remember it. And Chrishell would be like, I don't know. But she's flame emojis photos of my story.

I reckon that's flirting. That's flirting. Yeah. Come on. It can depend on the photo. No, you're right. It's flirting. come on well i mean it can depend on the photo no you're right it's because as as as an as an engaged man or someone in a relationship i'm very careful with my flames right i don't i don't throw out flame responses you gotta be careful with your flames yeah you gotta be careful with your flames like if it's a buddy of mine

no i know you know what you're right flames are flirting i don't think i've ever sent a buddy maybe i have but like i'm joking flirting with him yeah no it's a flirt yeah it is what did what did chrishell call it she was like i flame all all my friends and i'm like i'm a lesbian like wearing a bikini like like I'm like like over I don't know I just I just took like when there was a few in a row it wasn't just like one um but I thought that was a little bit flirty um and uh then me and I think I messaged Chrishell because when we'd previously met um she's super friendly as she always is. And I was talking about how I moved to the US and I'm still like trying to find my place and like trying to make friends.

I feel like when you move to a new city, it's really important. You make like a foundation and find like a friendship group just for like mental health and just for living. And I remember telling her that when we like met briefly. And then so I thought she was like being a little bit flirty and then I was like um hey do you want to catch up um uh and then something came up that I wanted to still meet some friends and I think she asked do you like do you want to meet some of my friends I I remember you're trying to meet people over here.

So she actually threw a party for me to meet friends, which I thought was very nice. And I didn't believe it was for me, but it was because she's just so cute and nice and she's like, I want you to meet some people with a cute little smile. And then I came to that party by myself and then I met heaps of really cool people that I am now like close friends with. And then me and Chrishell were flirting a little bit

and then we made out that night. But we made out in the pantry. We love a good hot secret pantry make-out for sure. It was a secret up against the protein bars and the dog treats. It was hot. And then it was a few weeks later then I played a show and then we had a little cheeky make-out after my show. And then I was like, well, that was cute.

I'll ask her on a date. And I texted her and I was like, hey, do you want to go on a date? And then she was like, I'm ask her on a date. And I text her and I was like, Hey, do you want to go on a date? And then she was like, I'm sorry, I'm straight. And then I was like, Oh,

we've been making out a lot. I'm going to be straight. That's weird. You know, I think everyone can be a little bit, you know, fluid in their sexuality. You know,

I feel like so many people grow up with this template that, you know fluid in their sexuality you know I feel like so many people grow up with this template that you know heterosexual kind of template just in life that um you know people think yeah go to college then you get a job then you find your husband then you have some kids and then that's how you live um but sometimes things don't go as planned and um then i was looking for a house to rent and then i clicked chrishell some house links because i was like is this a good price for this area i have absolutely no idea she's in real estate yeah she's in real estate and then chrishell offered to take me to like to meet me and go to all the houses and then um obviously some flirting went down and that's when Chrishell says that was the moment that she was like oh I feel some hectic

feelings that I normally feel for boys but I feel it for G um and then yeah then we just kind of like started low-key dating but it was very like i wasn't looking for a relationship chrishell was going to go on like a show that was like the bachelor bachelorette she was going to go on a show that was like for love really yeah she was ready like signed up later in the year chrishell was going to do a different reality tv show centered around looking for love yeah you know the name of this show? It hasn't been a show before. I think it was like a new show.

Has it come out? No, because she didn't end up doing it. They were going to base it around Chris Shell. Yeah, she was going to be like the person that everyone. I mean, I'm so happy for the two of you, but I really want to know what that show is going to be. I don't know the full details but i know it was a show that was like like you know like the you know you got something around over chrishell being the center and a bunch of people so we did not plan to fall in love it was we were just like low-key dating and we knew that you know at some point she was

going to go do this show and it was going to be this cute little memory. And then, um, the show changed to, um, gender diverse people as well because she, you know, realized that, oh, I can have feelings for people that aren't just, I don't just identify as male. Um, and then we kind of, we just fell in love we just and we were actively trying not to both of us but then it just happened how are you actively trying not to well because we knew that she was going to go on this show so i was like there's no point falling for her i'm just gonna get now you're screwed as soon as you're like we we can't, we can't fall in love. It's forbidden. Yeah. Was there any part of you in the period of time when you'd asked Rochelle out and she'd said like, oh, sorry, I'm straight. Like, was there any part of you that felt rejected in that standpoint?

Or that was sort of because it seems like so confident and cool that you were still down to be like, yeah, send some links. Like stay in communication where I think it can be so easy to retreat after it feels like there's any kind of like mismatch in emotion like what was that did that inform any of your relationship me and Chrishell already got along really well as friends and had like like we already like had a friendship and we our banters just like fire like we just get along really well just as individuals and those souls so um I didn't feel rejected also cause yeah, we'd made out twice. So I was like, you know, I, it just, it didn't hurt my feelings or anything. I was just kind of like, I don't think you're straight. Um, I knew that we were still going to be friends.

Like I didn't like then like ignore her or anything. Like she even said like, I sorry i'm straight but i still really want to be close friends like we get along so well and like i don't want this to affect anything i was like yeah no worries but then we went and looked at how like she helped me look at houses and then then we just like every time we hang out there's like flirting just went down without trying it was just too like it was just our connection is just so easy it was just like electric feeling does Chrishell have like a go-to flirting move that you just love that like you like she does this thing and you're just like ah it gets me every time I think at the start

I was more of the flirty person or I just like joke around, you know, and then I think as she got a little bit more comfortable and confident, then she just would dish it back. Unless like the first two times we made out, we were a little bit tipsy. Then like, you know, then it's just like banter. It's like heaps of banter and then we're just kissing. Yeah. Every relationship in the public eye has additional, additional stresses that can create challenges in a relationship. You have outside voices, constantly nitpicking and things like that.

You mentioned, obviously, critics, and I imagine for you guys it's elevated that much more. I know, obviously, the best answer is just ignore it and things like that but even like for now and i just every once in a while like like someone kind of breaks through that kind of barrier of we we just just ignore the noise type of thing and it kind of almost seeps in to the relationship where you can tell one of us is stressed about something that is a result of just the public being the public how do you two uh with the ignorance and the critics out there that you guys have to deal with it how do you guys make sure that you kind of protect the relationship that you have and and work through any of those instances where you know

it's just one of those days where you know you should ignore it you know you shouldn't let it bother you but like we're only human and it kind of gets through how do you guys go about that yeah we do get like i know chrishell cops a lot of you know midlife crisis kind of things and like, why the hell are you with her? And I get a lot of misgendering and a lot of, you know, I think just being part of the LGBTQIA plus community, you know, we do cop a lot of hate and disrespect. I just feel like for me personally, growing up, all the decisions I've made that people do not like, all the decisions I've made in my life that people haven't agreed with or have not liked or have judged me for have been the best decisions I've ever made.

So me coming out queer, fucking people didn't agree with it. People in my family didn't agree with it people in my family didn't agree with it people didn't understand it did I feel fucking euphoric absolutely came out non-binary causes a big stir my family did not get it a lot of people online didn't get it but I've I got it and it made me feel that fucking good you know know, me being in a relationship with Chrishell, get heaps of hate, but it's the best and most healthy relationship I've ever been in my life. We got married in a very untraditional way, like day of in Vegas, get judgment for it, but it was the best fucking day of my whole life. So anything I do and anything, you know, I feel like Chrishell as well, get judged on like, you know, some

of these things are like the best things that we've ever done. And when we look back on our life and we're old and grey and saggy, like we're going to look back and be like have a, you know, list of defining memories, right, right at the end of your life that are going to be your highlight reel. And it's just funny that every single one is like the most hated from the public.

But it makes, it fucking makes me so happy. And for Chrishell as well, you know, she has, you know, things in her life that, you know, at the time or right now made her so happy doing it even though you get judgment. And I think that just fuels this resilience in us as a couple and us as individuals that you can cop so much and i cop so much you got in the end you got to kind of laugh about it because it's just like oh my god like you know in the end what's most important is you know if you're happy just living and breathing every day with your group of people around you um and you've got

to kind of have a strong stable fucking soul and you know energy to just whack all the outside comments away for sure but i think we do a good job at um keeping our self healthy so that we're both mentally strong and you know when chrishhell cops hate or she might bring me like, oh, someone said this, it's like, baby, come on. We don't need to be sad about that. You know, we don't need to think about that. And it's obviously untrue, et cetera, et cetera. So I think we do a good job at actually not letting any of it affect us too much,

to be honest. That's great. Yeah. I mean, it's hard to do, but the fact that you're able to do that is, I guess, a testament to your guys' relationship. Yeah. You have a song called Be Your Man. Yes.

I'd love for you to talk about it, share with your audience, like, what was kind of the messaging, or what did you hope to capture through that song that you wrote? Well, like I said before, with how me and Cashel were actively trying to not fall in love with each other and she was going to go on this show. That's the time that I wrote this song. Okay. And it's because the main hook lyric of the song is, I'm not what you planned, but I'll be your man. I'm not what you planned, but I'll be your man. Because she was going to go on a show that was originally was going to be full of men to find her person.

So I wrote this song around that time. And I just like, pen to paper was pretty honest, lyrically. And then like production wise, it's in a time signature called six, eight, one, two, cut, cut, which is like associated with like, you know, a lot of like wedding dances and that kind of like little step groove. Um, so I, I wanted to give the sonically, the production a little bit of a fifties-esque kind of vibe. So, um, there's some like fifts-esque kind of vibe. So there's some like 50s-esque kind of vamp guitars and the production kind of sways that way a little bit. And then, yeah, it's just like a song that's like a bit romantic

but a bit sexy and it's just, I'm not what you planned, I'll be your man. And it's obviously about Chrishell. Love it. Now, when did Chrishell know that it was about Chrishell? While you were writing it or did you surprise her? How did you kind of unveil that? Because I assume, I mean, I've never had a song written for me

or about me that I know of, but I assume that'd be very meaningful and special. Like how did you kind of present that gift to Chrishell? I like Chrishell's ear on all my songs, because I think she just has a good ear for just music. So I show her a lot of demos, and then she's like, I like that one. Don't like that one as much.

I like the third one better, et cetera, et cetera. And I just, in a pile, I just played Be Your Man, a very stripped back. It was one guitar, just the first verse, first pre-chorus and the chorus. That was it. And just with a guitar. And I think there was like a little sub bass or something. And I played that for her. And straight away, she like looked at me and she was like,

this is my favorite one. And I was like, oh, it's about you,. And I was like, Oh, it's about you, darling. She was like, no, it's not. I'm like, yeah, it is. Listen. Um, and then, yeah, I didn't show, I went and finished the song over the next, I think it was like a year. I, then I started fully fleshing out and recording all the instruments. And um i showed chrishell like a more polished finished version um in my car and i filmed it and to film her reaction and then yeah then she heard the more finalized version and now it's out it's amazing it's a great song um selling sunset season six just came out you're on it i How, like when you started dating Chrishell,

what were those conversations like for you to consider being on the show? What has that experience been like? There's certainly a lot of drama. Have you watched it? Oh yeah, I have, yeah. Hectic drama, hey. Yeah.

It's hectic drama. And Chrishell was out posting. She was in a bit of a scuffle. I see with Nicole. We were going to have Nicole on the show. We, you know, she I didn't know, but we booked her before the season dropped. And then all this all this drama unfold. And then Nicole canceled last minute. And then I was told that she needed to get her.

She wasn't prepared. She wanted a week. She booked herself next week. And I was like, yeah, no, sorry. We don't allow our guests to book. And then she said she had to get her story straight, I guess, was the language that was related to me, which made me seem like, well, if you have the truth on your side, you usually don't have to get your story straight. You just share your story. But anyways,

I'm sucked into the drama, as you can see. I'm also, you know, I'm in the thick of it. Do you have any inside tea? I mean, I'm assuming, like, for example, again, back to, like, this show, sometimes I get sucked into drama or I get, you know, whatever. And then, you know, you take your work home with you, whether you try to or not. Natalie's a sounding board for me to, to, if nothing else to vent my frustrations,

I'm assuming Chris shell, uh, we'll, we'll vent to you. Yeah. All this stuff going on with Nicole, do you have any, any tea or anything that you could shed the light on to why this is blown up the way it has um i think you know chrishell went into so that was season six went into season six and she was like you know christine's gone i don't think i'm gonna have any drama this season

i really don't think there's gonna be any conflict i'm really think it's going to be a chill time. I remember her saying, like, there's two new girls on the show. Nicole I'm already friends with and we're cool. And then Bree, you know, I've never met her, so I'll meet her and hopefully there's no drama. And then I remember Chrishell coming home one day and being like, oh, my God, now Nicole doesn't like me. So Chrishell really went into it thinking that it was going to be a drama-free season. And obviously now watching it, it's full of drama.

It's actually the most drama I've ever had in my life. I've never been in fights in high school or had family drama or anything. So even though I'm secondhand off it, I'm like, oh my God, this is hectic, darling. What is your read on the Nicole of it all? Like why do you think she is doing what she is doing? Well, all I have to go off is I just know that Chrishell really thought they were cool before they went on it. I don't want to put myself in this drama,

but like I know that they were friends beforehand. She came to Chrishell's Friendsgiving. She's been to the house a couple times um so they were actually like they were spending thanksgiving together yeah friendsgiving i'm guessing that's like no yeah yeah but i don't know it's very american we don't have thanks yeah but essentially it's it's a thanksgiving ish celebration it essentially it's a Thanksgiving-ish celebration. It's an intimate setting with friends. And then Nicole comes in hot and starts, huh. It's hectic. I don't know how everyone on that show deals with all the chaos. Are they still, and it sounds like they're still in conflict.

They're not seeing the beginning of it. Yeah, it's pretty, it's spread online. There's a lot of stuff going down. Yeah, we've seen it. Yeah. How's Chris Shell doing? She's good. She's good.

Yeah, she's so cute. Fucking hell. All right. It's just, oh, I said goodbye to her this morning. She's like, bye. Her smile is the cutest thing. What did you think of Nicole? What did I think of her?

Yeah. Well, I think she- You're on the show. I mean, you- Well, she came after my girl. Yeah. And they thought that she, you know, she thought they were friends. You know, that's not nice when you have a friend and then they get on camera and then

they come after you when you thought you guys were cool. What's it been like for you to kind of get inundated with that particular group and filming the show? They're all lovely actually i really like all of them they're super nice what's your favorite part about filming oh i don't like filming you don't like filming no it's weird are you going to be a part of season seven i think i'm in like one episode or something i i'm like you know it's very much chrishell stuff and i don't want to be part of any drama i don't want to get dragged to a dinner and then like you know, it's very much Chrishell's stuff and I don't want to be part of any drama. I don't want to get dragged to a dinner and then like, you know, shit hits the fan. Like, I'm just like,

you know, I'm not that kind of person. And Chrishell's also very protective of our relationship. So very early on, um, I was never going to be part of the show. Like I was like, you know, I don't think, um, you know, it's my kind of world. And also, you know, we want to protect our relationship and, um, we were already getting lots of hate just, you know, it's my kind of world. And also, you know, we want to protect our relationship and we were already getting lots of hate just, you know, being together. But then there was a conversation we had a few days before season six started filming. And we were talking about, you know, representation and how representation can push the needle in the world and, you know, start conversations that are neat, like needed to be had in some people's homes.

Um, and just the representation of loving queer relationships on TV and me being non-binary. Um, we, we decided that, okay, maybe if we do some scenes, it just is us two together to just, um um represent the queer community and you know maybe it might start a conversation in someone's home about what being non-binary is and you know etc etc so then we agreed to do that but agreed to have no drama on me not coming to you know dinners or the office or anything we just kind of like if you didn't show up they're like the rest of the the gang couldn't be like why isn't g here is there something going on and shit like that yeah that's just because i just i don't really i'm not a dramatic person

i don't do conflict i'd rather just like sit down and talk about you know why are you upset why am i upset let's work work this out our you know the conclusion should be that peace and harmony we work this out i'm just like if someone's going off at me i'd just be like oh i don't know they're like it just wouldn't work i'm just yeah is is with chrishell in the is, is she more conflict? Um, I don't avoid it, but,

but yeah, like she clearly is able to defend herself. Uh, I've, I've seen many people call season six, the season of Chris shell. Like people really feel like she's shining. It's just her moment, the way she's standing up for herself.

Is that something she's able to turn on for the show or, or is she more kind of like you, kind of avoidant of conflict and removes herself? But obviously with the show being what it is, you can't necessarily just walk away. Well, Mary seems to be also, she really hates conflict too. But yeah, how is Chrishell off camera when it comes to conflict? Chrishell, you know, doesn't want conflict or drama. That's what I said before she really went into the season thinking that there wasn't going to be any because she's like, I don't have, you know, beef with anyone or a reason to.

But I'm also very proud of her this season for sticking up for herself and, you know, not letting someone, you know, talk shit. Like I'm proud of her for sticking up for herself and, you know, not letting someone, you know, talk shit. Like I'm proud of her for standing up for herself. I think she did a good job and gave good points and, like, you know, came across, you know, quite well at, like, putting her point across and, you know, speaking her mind and setting the record straight. Really, really, really enjoying it. Yeah.

I've seen a lot of uh that clip with her and nicole i've i haven't seen a single person take nicole's side so clearly rochelle did a good job of standing up for herself yeah i'm proud of it i have a question which is you mentioned just like how part of the incentive for going on the show is just like representation and showing queer love and like healthy queer love. And in addition to kind of hoping that you feel like there's a real gap and people have the opportunity to, like, show more, like, support or advocacy or just, like, general decency.

I think the biggest thing when it comes to, like, the LGBTQIA plus community and questions around it is, like, just educating yourself. Like, educating yourself and maybe if you have kids your kids as well on what it is to be non-binary and understanding it and just like education is the biggest like thing I find missing like people are quick to judge or make comments but they don't actually like look into it or try to understand it or maybe you know talk to a queer person or talk to a non-binary person or talk to a trans person you know what i mean um so i think education is always the key can i can i ask you

a question educate myself because i don't i don't know the answer because i was you know you just got married and then people were for like in a heterosexual relationship husband and wife how as a non-binary binary person how would what would be the language or the word to describe as a spouse and wife or do you guys go by spouse and spouse what would you suggest obviously spouse is a good one um partner is still a good one uh we we use and i think we kind of made this up but wasband wasband it's like a mixture of wife and husband great yeah was been so wife and was been like chrishell says my wasband which i think's fucking cute and like people can hate on labels and everything in the end it's just a name i like being a wasman

and and how are you with if if someone misidentifies you and says her or something like that? How do you handle that? Or what would be if they mess up? Do you prefer someone just to acknowledge it and then say, I'm sorry and correct themselves? How do you go about doing that? I think most people and most people in my inner circle are still my family members. They just quickly correct. They don't need to say sorry if they're like, what's the sentence? Shit.

Is she hungry? I mean, are they hungry? You know, like you just quickly correct and move on. I'm not someone that takes it personally. If someone like keeps misgendering me, I would call my- Almost like you can tell they're not giving a shit to try to get it right so to speak yeah or they don't know then i'd be like oh just so you know i use they them pronouns and i'm in binary um but yeah i think like it's everyone's still

learning you know yeah i would never like get pissed off at someone everyone's still learning like my parents are still you know learning and getting their head around it um and I think my parents at the start really were like what and then they've seen that like more and more people are coming out non-binary and it's you know like the world's changing and um so now they're they're understanding it more and they're using my proper pronouns cute um but yeah i'm never someone to get angry quickly um correct someone or or if someone if you use someone's wrong pronouns just correct yourself other than making music what are some of your passions outside of work or you into pop culture like what are some of your guilty pleasures in life? What do you watch on TV? What are you into?

I struggle with this, and my therapist also thinks that I need to get more hobbies. Because I just do a lot of music. Because I like playing various instruments and progressing in all those instruments. But then I also like producing, so like sitting on the laptop and using plug-ins and stuff. I don't have a ton. I like to work. I like to do what I you know i just do it a bit too much you think you do too much yeah i do it way too much it's all i ever do it's all i like i just do it like i think it's a little like healthy to have other things to do actually there is a hobby i have uh australian my austral Australian football league.

It's called AFL. It's a sport that's not like NFL or soccer. It's not soccer. And it's not rugby. It's its own sport. Oh. You're familiar with it, Amanda? I am.

It's nine months in Sydney, so I feel like I have a vague sort of familiarity with that. What is it? Describe it. Oh, my God. It's the best fucking sport ever. Okay. Basically, it's a huge it. Oh, my God. It's the best fucking sport ever. Okay. Basically, it's a huge oval. Like, huge.

I think it's bigger than an NFL field, soccer field. Okay. So, the playing surface is an oval. An oval, yeah. It's kind of a combination between soccer, rugby, basketball. It's just a lot of sports in one basically, but you have two teams, you have two goalposts and then smaller goalposts. If you get it through the two middle ones, you get six points. If you get it on the outer two posts, it's one point. And basically you

just got to kick the ball through and get a goal and you get six points. But you can tackle each other, you can handball, you can kick, you can just run with the ball, and get a goal and you get six points. But you can tackle each other. You can handball. You can kick. You can just run with the ball, but you've got to bounce it on the floor. And there's no padding at all. It's a round ball like a basketball? No, it's kind of more similar to an NFL ball. Interesting.

That you have to bounce? If you take, I'm not sure how many sets, it's like eight or 12 or something, and then you have to bounce a ball on the floor. Do we have a clip? Yeah, whack a clip in there. It's fucking awesome. I was trying to tell Jason and Brett about it on the weekend and get them to watch a bit of a game with me.

They love sports, and they both were watching it. So have you become good friends with Jason? How was that with him being an ex? It's totally cool with me, but I grew up with parents who divorced, split up, got new partners, and then we all hang out together. Like my four parents go on holidays together. We have every birthday Christmas together. So I've come from, you know, I think a broken home that still has healthy relationships with their exes. I mean, yeah, it makes sense.

I suppose if you grew up in that environment, I guess it told you that people can end relationships and move on and still be happy. hard time hearing about our partner's exes is because we haven't ingrained this kind of one and only type of idea. But that doesn't seem to be something that has ever bothered you then. No. I feel like Jason and Chrishell, they're just really good friends. They were friends before they became partners. But I think it also comes down to, you know, your trust and security with your partner.

Like, obviously, if I was like, I don't know, wasn't secure in myself, then I'd feel weird if they went and got lunch or they went and hang out or they go film together. But, like, I'm totally cool with their relationship and their friendship and we all hang out together. We've been on double dates with Mary Lou as well. And I just think they're awesome dudes, Brett and Jace. I like them.

They're funny. Yeah. We went to dinner on Saturday night. It was cool. Nice. What was the highlight? Of the dinner? Yeah.

Did you guys talk shop at all? Or do you guys, I mean, it's one of those things where it's like, let's not talk about work or the show and then it always like halfway through you know it's like it always seems to come up because obviously this weekend the the the season dropped um did any work stuff come up some work stuff came up but then I think we all just like talk a bit of shit I was trying to convince them what was the shit people want to hear the shit oh I was trying to convince Brett and Jason to be my backup dancers at my LA show coming up later this year I was like to convince them. What was the shit? People want to hear the shit. Oh, I was trying to convince Brett and Jason to be my backup dancers at my LA show coming up later this year.

I was like, it'd be fucking hilarious if you boys came out in tank tops, like full Channing Tatum style. Yes. And we're dancing and then just like rip your tops open. And Brett is so down. Brett's like, let's go to the floor room. Is that what it's called? Floor room?

I don't know. He's like, let's go to the floor room now. I'll show you my moves. So I'm on a text chain with them sending them dance videos. So they're open to it. Jason has it. Brett is. I don't know about Jay. That makes sense. I feel like Jay is more tightly wound. Yeah. Brett's definitely more of a loose unit. 100%. What's your favorite tattoo that you have? I like Kylie thinks I'm cute. You know Kylie Minogue? Love, yeah

She said I was cute Did she? Yeah, I got it tattooed the next day Honestly, I love that She said I was cute in a podcast She said J Flip's pretty cute Really? Yeah, I got it tattooed straight away

If I call you cute, will you get a tattoo? 100% Actually, be careful I do, I do I might. I don't know. I'm pretty loose with tattoos now. I've got so many.

How many do you have? Me and Chrishell counted not long ago. I think I have 79. 79? Okay, way more than me. I played a game with Chrishell. I got a tattoo of a dog's face on my leg, and I played a game on the couch. I was like, hey, Chrishell, can you help me count how many tattoos I have?

I'd just like to know. And so she's counting and then she comes across Gracie. Yeah, the dog's face I have like here on my leg. And she was like, what? Oh, my God, baby. Gracie. So, yeah. So much about successful relationships is communicating expectations

and boundaries we talk about it over and over on this show uh what are some uh expectations or boundaries that you and chrishell have communicated with one another uh that really makes your relationship work like how do you guys make sure you know even even with Chrishell and her first career relationship, I'm assuming there's a lot of, yeah, just like maybe things that she had questions about, like, you know, you being friends with other women or her being friends with women or men, what are boundaries? Again, you're not a very jealous person. How do you guys communicate that and just make sure that you guys are always on the same page so there's never a misunderstanding of intentions and things like that when you're kind of out and about in the world interacting with people you have fans she has fans and things like that and how do you set

up those expectations and boundaries um i think like you said just having healthy communication okay um i think we've had a good job throughout our relationship from the start, having healthy communication. I think at the start, me being non-binary, Chrishell had a lot of questions and being in her first queer relationship, you know, even her asking questions and confining me on how she now identifies because she's like, I'm with you, uh you're um non-binary am I a lesbian like how do I identify how do if someone misgenders you do I do you want me to step in and say something like you know like she had a lot of questions coming into it because obviously she's

never been with someone who's non-binary or in a queer relationship at all um so i think we had a lot of communication at the start about all of those kind of things which i think was super healthy um but yeah overall we yeah we we talk a lot we communicate a lot that's great yeah uh and on the show is there anyone that you've gotten to meet that you think is um different than how we've gotten to know them on the show? Like who's the most, this is what you see is what you get. And someone else versus like, yeah, you know, they're a little looser, a little more chatty or a little bit something else that the audience doesn't get to see when we're watching Selling Sunset. I think everyone is exactly how they are on the show really except i don't think they show

um how funny brett is you know he's always whenever brett's on tv he's always like you know it's a big month you know this month we got numbers yeah we got to get these numbers we got to be selling you know heaps of houses or whatever he says well heaps of houses but no i think every single one on that show is exactly how they are. Honestly. I thought, you know, being such a big reality TV show, I thought people would be totally different. But I think really everyone is the same. I've never met Nicole, so I don't know.

You've never met Nicole? know. And I never met, I never met Nicole. No. And I never met, um, Christine who was on other seasons and I've never met, I think that's all the people I've never, yeah. Um, but everyone so far that I hang out with and know they're exactly like they are. Do you know if Chris Shell is hoping to mend this relationship in the cold knowing that they were friends before or she just kind of done with her at this point kind of sworn her off i don't actually know you don't have to ask chris shell i think like right now because

the drama's piping hot i think she's a bit over it but but, you know. In the end, because she just kind of wants to have peace and isn't someone that wants to dwell on something be so draining. So I think that she'd just want to give it up at some point, but I think right now because it's spicy and everyone's talking about it. Yeah, the people want to know. Before we get to our caller for Sweat in the Wedding, very important question, G. Yes.

What is your favorite smell? And what do you think it says about you? My favorite smell? Yeah. Oh, I was going to say I love Chrishell's perfume. Okay. Is that a corny one? No, there's no wrong answer.

She smells great. What does it think it says about you? I guess that you're in love. A loving husband. Yeah, a loving husband. I'm a loving husband. Do you have any, other than the smell of Rochelle and her perfume,

is there like a smell in life that is nostalgic for you or that you just, every time you smell it, you're just like, fucking love that smell i got two i got one that's like the the beach near my house i grew up near the water in melbourne australia so like the smell of the ocean and then the other smell is just like i love being on the

road and playing in bands and like i've done that for majority of my life. So like just like a stage sweaty smell. Okay. Pretty gross. A little musky kind of. Just like being on stage and like giving it your all and just hitting the drums hard and, you know. No, that makes total sense. Just like a stage smell.

But also like the smell of like a stage smell is like a bit musky and sweaty but there's also like the fog machines have like a certain smell and like just like a bar kind of beer kind of smell as well is that gross no not at all there's no wrong answer like i used to compete in track and field and like the smell of a track which is not exactly like good it's just a little hot it's like hot tar hot rubber yeah but there's something about it you're you would smell it and it just kind of yeah yeah it gets you kind of in the zone i am so curious like you mentioned playing with bands before and now having this like amazing solo career like what was that transition like for you and do you feel like you miss touring with more of like that full ensemble or is there a

band that you tour with now like how have you kind of like as a musician navigated more independence and kind of like creative control over your output um so now I still I still play in a band I play with uh three band members um and everyone in the band's a multi-instrumentalist so there's songs that I do singing behind the drum kit but then I'll get up and play a few songs on guitar then some on piano then we just all kind of switch and everyone in the band's a drummer so there's moments where it's just everyone's like going ham on drums but yeah I guess my career I was a drummer before I became a solo artist so I was traveling the world and playing with different bands and working in studios, just drumming for people. And drums has always been my main thing and my first love,

was always drums. And then I always secretly wrote music, but it was extremely queer and I hadn't come out yet. So it was kind of like my secret little passion I had behind the scenes that I would be writing music. And it wasn't until I came out that I was ready to share my music and I guess my singing voice and share my music. And so it was kind of like the drums was my protective layer for a lot of years of you know that i hid behind a little bit um and then i came out and then i was ready to just share my story and my music and then it went from there totally yeah that's great should we get to

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but I uninvited her because of these issues. Okay. And how long has this relationship been going on? What was the drama that happened? About a year and six months. Okay. So beginning of May, I graduated from college and that was a really big deal for me. I had family coming out and everything. And so to give a little context, she did not come to my graduation. And those are the text messages you sent in, right? Yeah. So part of it, part of those messages were from my graduation. Like it was a really, really mean one. And you'll see, I didn't, I wasn't able to respond for a little bit because I was in lineup. Like I was really busy. And then the other part is when I mentioned, Hey, I don't think it's a great idea for you to go to my sister's wedding. But to give a little context, when I graduated, she was supposed to come. I had her take the whole day off. I had my family come and we had talked about making plans for her to get a ride with my parents because, you know, traffic might have been crazy. And I kind of dropped the ball on that. And I didn't actually communicate that with my mom. I was a little bit busy. So it just slipped my mind.

mind. And so she got upset that I hadn't communicated that with my mom. And she got to my house and she's like, you're not even here. Your parents left already. Your campus is 20 minutes away from where I live. And it's not actually 20 minutes. It's just 20 minutes because of the traffic. Let's do a dramatic reading. Now, I just want to point out that you have her in your phone as future wife. Yeah. Did you do that or did she save herself? Great question. Well, she has me in her phone as future wife and kind of gave me a little bit of crap to save her as future wife. All right.

So we're not so sure. We're like future wife question mark? Yeah. She's like, you haul with me. Yeah. After this, I was like, uh, no, I don't know. sure we're like future wife question mark yeah she's like you haul with me yeah after this i was like uh no i don't know gee well you want to be alex and i'll be i'll be future wife question mark yeah okay alex has now become australian okay okay thank you be sure to bring a book or

sketchbook good morning no worries i always have it i'm on my way now here hello question mark question mark you're not even here question mark fuck's sake this is a place 20 minutes away these are all individual texas yeah um i'm trying to find somewhere to park i have no idea where to go did you not tell me they were supposed to take me with them. You said you'd be there by 11. They left at 10 fucking 50. And then finally, after 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11 text messages without a reply, you finally reply. I'm sorry. Like, I'm assuming you were doing something.

I had no idea where to go myself so i had to go find parking and even when i left at like 10 i was like there was a graduation before so i was having a hell of a time figuring out where to go and so i had to get all dressed up and lined up so why i wasn't responding was i didn't see any of these until i actually sat down in the stadium where we're graduating so i I'm all in line up not seeing any of this. Okay. So she wrote back,

I'm going home. Enjoy the day with your family. Period. Period. I'm sorry again. Yeah, well, maybe next time

you can spare five fucking seconds to tell your mom the plans that directly involve her. You know, so I'm not desperately trying to find parking soaked with sweat

in a 90 degree car. Does she not have air conditioning? No, her car doesn't have AC. Okay. But it was also 60 degrees that day. So like rolled down a window, maybe? She does, I guess. I don't know. On an empty fuel tank,

that's her problem yeah uh 10 minutes after the ceremony has apparently started no response you were just at the ceremony or well yeah i just i didn't know what to say to that i'm like fuck because it just felt just when i first read that i was like why am i being blamed for all of this, I'm sorry you're in a 90 degree car and your gas tank's on empty, but what do you want me to do about that? Like, I'm sorry I dropped the ball in communication. That's why I just said, I'm sorry.

I hear you. Just a small note. Yeah, I know. Even when you don't know what to say, there's nothing more infuriating. Even if she's kind of overreacting and things like that, just like, there's nothing worse than being ignored. Hindsight's 20-20. But like, even if you's kind of overreacting and things like that, just like, there's nothing worse than being ignored. Hindsight's 20, 20, but like, even if you just said, again,

I'm so sorry, let's talk about this when I'm not here. You know, like, obviously you don't want to get into it very text, but like, I'm sorry, obviously there's some miscommunication and hopefully we can talk about it later on or something like that. Which I was going to say, and then she sent that and I'm like, all right, no, I'm not responding. Okay. Yeah. That pissed me off. So I'm more of the person who, when I'm upset about something, I need to take a step back and be like, okay, am I feeling valid? Before I start getting upset or talking,

I need to just take a step back and just evaluate what's going on and seeing like, is this okay for me to do? Yeah, totally. That's why in that situation, you're just like, you don't engage in the fight. You're just saying, Hey, again, like, I'm sorry for this miscommunication. Can we talk about it when we're not both, you know, feeling disconnected or whatever it is. There's a ton of miscommunication in this and i would also like to

point out she was talking to my mom like she was texting my mom on like where to go and the details for the graduation and my mom was like well if you can't figure out what to do like you could just go home hang out with my daughter bentley and like at least be there to go to lunch and dinner with us like she wants you here and she'll be really happy even if you're not able to come to the ceremony. And what really just got to me was that she just gave up and left. Okay. And so just to be, you uninvited your girlfriend

because you just think it'll be just a headache essentially? Well, it's just, there's just been tension with us. And so pretty much she vented all of her feelings to me and every time i say okay i'm sorry i understand where you're coming from i'll say that at one point in the conversation and then we just drop it and don't talk about it again with my sister's wedding one my it's it's a small ceremony in hawaii and she's not paying for any of it my me and my parents are paying for her flight, her stay, her food. Like it's a big expense on our part.

And then with just this tension going on between us, I didn't think it's a good idea. And my sister doesn't know her. And what did she have to say about that? Well, I also pointed out, I was like, Hey,

I, this is just what I'm thinking about. You know, I want, you know, like we want to communicate more. This was just on my mind. I'm open to talking about this more in person she was she was not happy what did she say it it kind of resulted into a whole thing

where she's like i'm tired of forcing myself in your life i'm tired of feeling unwanted i'm not a crazy abusive girlfriend that was in there at one point. Where did crazy abusive come in? I don't know where any of this came from. She just kind of spiraled into talking about her feelings, making like how I made her feel unwanted just by saying that. I'm like, I understand where you're coming from. I just, I didn't want this to result in that because I want to talk about this in person. So nothing got misconstrued over what I texted. And it just like a tumble hill.

Do you want to be in this relationship? When we're together, I love her and I love spending time with her. And we have our like inside jokes and it's fun hanging out with her and just being with her. But there's these times where she'll just act like a child or like not really hear what I'm saying. And she has to get all of her feelings out. She's just super anxious all the time, which is really hard for me. Because if I don't respond for a while, she starts freaking out or the immediate assumption is like, if she upsets me or something is that I'm going to break up with her. Like ever since that happened with graduation, it's kind of like a crack in what I see.

And I'm like, I don't know if I see this being long term or having a future where we get married or something. That's the future wife with a question mark thing. I think there's a lot of communication that needs to happen between you and your partner. I notice when you talk, you say she gets anxious when you don't like text back and then she feels like you're ignoring her you know that's as simple as like a communication thing if you know that she gets anxious if you don't reply maybe that's when yeah like um Nick said you can text her being like well let's communicate later like right now I'm busy because then that stops her anxious and her freaking out when you're not replying.

Well, it happens when I'm at work and she knows where I am. So she'll just be like, why aren't you responding right away? And I'll be like kind of doing stuff. Yeah. Do you reply just at work? Can't talk now. I'll reply when I see them, but I don't always see them as fast. And then that's when she starts getting more anxious

because I'm not seeing them yet. Have you had like a sit-down conversation with her being like look darling like you know you you text me a lot but I'm I'm really busy like I'm at work I don't want you to think you know the reassuring talk with her you might have had that conversation I'm just wondering yeah we have and like she she's like no I totally get you're at work and like I'll try to be better about it I'm like'm like, okay, like I, it's, it's not a problem of like messaging each other. It's just, I can't always respond as fast as you would like me to, or I'm not always seeing reason. She still just gets a little bit anxious with all that. Have you ever gone to her when things aren't escalated and when you're not necessarily

fighting over a particular topic and to say, Hey, listen, like, can we talk when one of us is are upset or when you're upset with me, I feel like I'm just like responding via text and it's never efficient. And I just wish we could communicate more effectively when we are upset with each other. And have you kind of made that request not in the heat of the moment? So every time I say, hey, can we talk? Instantly, it's are you breaking up with me? OK, so I think I should start like, hey, can we talk? Instantly, it's are you breaking up with me? Okay. So I think I should start like, hey, can we talk about this? But then I know like,

if I say like, I want to talk about this in person, she's just going to keep going over it in text. And she also pressures me. So if I just leave it at, hey, can we talk? Like I have something on my mind, she'll be like, well, why can't you tell me right now? Why can't you go over this over text? and we'll just end up texting about it why don't you just wait till you're in person to bring because then she freaks out and i always i almost i don't know i mean like don't don't once a week don't bring up the hey can we talk over text oh because yeah i mean if i'm it's like hey i gotta tell you something but i can't tell you now i want you to sit on her for a week yeah i would yeah yeah that would make me anxious yeah if she's

an anxious person she's gonna have various triggers so you know it's not your fault but there are things you can do to try to avoid triggering an anxious person if you don't want to have conversations via text don't even let her know that there's If you don't want to have conversations via text, don't even let her know that there's a conversation that you want to have via text because either you're going to have to talk to her about it or it's going to feel like torture for her to sit there and wait to like stew over what it is. And you know, like you're like, oh, well then I'll just, I'll just let her know it's not a big deal. And I'll give her this little nugget. And then all of a sudden, 20 minutes later, you're having a full-on conversation about the topic that you want to talk.

Yeah. So you just have to avoid bringing it up all together and just sit down. And then when you do talk about it, instead of saying, hey, can we talk, always hit them with the compliments first. It's like, babe, I love you. Like, oh, by the way, you look great today. Hit them with some love, hit them with some words of affirmation, hit them with some security about why you're feeling good about her or why you love her. But here's this thing that it's been on my mind that I'd like for us to work through. And anytime

you can use that kind of us and we language, when you say us, she's going to hear us and she's not going to, she's going to think less about you breaking up with her. I want to hear my partner talk about us and we. And when she says I or when I say I, it feels very much like one-sided. It's just like you're almost up against each other. Well, I do this or I never do that or you do this or you never do that. You know, it's just like we could do a better job of this. I'd love for us to work on that, you know, and I think the more you can use the us and we type of stuff, I think it'll really go over well with someone who might be more easily triggered and kind of an anxious attachment style, if you will.

I don't know if she is, I'm not here to diagnose. I have a feel. I have a feeling she is. Do you want to be with her at the end of the day? I mean, it sounds, I'm getting like you kind of do, but it's like only if, you know. I do love her and I love spending time with her. It's just like, there's just all these, these just things that just get to me. So if we talk about the future

like if I just want to move anywhere other than where I'm at right now she gets really upset with me and like she'll say she's open to it but then she's really not just based off like what she talks about to me and like if I bring up like maybe moving to like a place like Seattle like she's like no it's like so expensive and I And I just feel like a lot of our relationship is very skewed with me taking on majority of the financial burden. So say we moved to Seattle, if that doesn't work out, it's all on me financially. So I have to have the backup plan. I have to have the savings and everything in place. It just feels like I love her. it just feels like like i love her but there's a lot of logistics that i don't feel like are working but i still want to try sure i mean we always we never want to quit on the people we

love but i'd love to hear from you what are things about your relationship that you think are worth fighting for just our overall like dynamic like we we get each other like i don't even have to like say anything. We just look at each other and like, kind of know what we're thinking. And like, we're very similar in like what our hobbies are. Like, it's just fun to spend time with her and even do just like, even if we're doing nothing, I just enjoy her presence. What is something that you think you two are really compatible over?

I don't actually think we have anything that's super compatible over. There's a lot of things we clash on. That's a big deal. Compatibility isn't as sexy as chemistry. People love chemistry. It's just like, oh, I feel so much chemistry with you and it's amazing. And that's hot and we love the passion. And I would often say chemistry gets us together, but it's compatibility that kind of keeps us together. If you have a hard time pointing out one thing that you two are compatible over, it's tough. You know, like, you know, relationships are about compromise, but your whole relationship shouldn't be one big compromise. Or everything that she wants to do, you're like, okay, this is your day.

And then everything that you want to do, she's, okay, I guess, you're like, okay, this is your day. And then everything that you want to do, she's okay. I guess, you know, that's, this is training, you know, I've been in those relationships and I got to tell you, like dating someone where you have a lot of points of compatibility, whether it's food you like, or things you like to do, or TV shows you watch, like that matters over time. It's just, you got to want to love spending time with your person. over time it's just you gotta want to love spending time with your person and if you're not compatible like other than like some maybe good sex like it's you need that compatibility i don't know i feel like deep down maybe she's just not your person i think also something that um i keep thinking about that you said before about the wedding when it came down to you know if she should come or not something you said uh about your sister you said you about the wedding, when it came down to, you know, if she should come or not,

something you said about your sister, you said, you know, they don't even know each other. Like they've never met. They don't even know each other. I think when you found your person, you were so excited to share that person with your family. Like I was so excited to like introduce my partner to my family. Like couldn't wait. It wasn't a, you know, like a burden or like something, you know, that I would be like, they don't even know each other. So like, what's the point in bringing her? Like, like I couldn't wait.

You know, when you find your person, you can't wait to introduce them to all your people, you know? So I think that's also something that, you know, pricked my ears up a little bit. Yeah. And your person shows interest in getting to know your family. Like it seemed kind of from the way you're saying it, correct me if I'm wrong here, but it seems like there was also like, oh, part of the reason they don't really have a relationship is because like your girlfriend hasn't really taken any kind of like interest in trying

to craft that. And that in itself can feel like a little hurtful where you're like, oh, I wish you were as excited in the way that like I'm excited. Or they're just kind of easy to be around or they kind of step up, you know, and there's nothing worse than having a partner where it's just like you got to make sure they're constantly okay and they're doing, they're behaved and they're taken care of. And it's just like, you know, like, ugh. And I was initially really excited for her to meet my parents.

Like I had, we have her on the invite and everything and had her all booked. But then after the, all this and just kind of thinking about it, how she acted when she first met my parents, she was on her phone half the time, which really bothered me. And we had a conversation about it and then just meeting my friend, she literally put her earbuds in when they're trying to talk to her. And so it also just like thinking about it, makes me really nervous for her to meet the rest of my family because that can be really intense for someone and i know she's more on the introverted side and a little socially awkward when it comes to like big groups of people so then just thinking

about that i'm like uh this makes me nervous like they're not gonna like her and like i was really excited and just all these reasons are coming up for me. And I'm like, it's not a good idea. Does she recognize her introverted personality and her awkwardness? She does. And as someone who can be introverted and awkward, like, does she go out of her way? Because you can't just keep saying, well, fuck it. I'm introverted. I'm awkward.

You can't just, it's not an excuse to be a dick i know it's it's harder in group settings you get a little bit more emotionally taxed you know unlike an extrovert but like you could say you know sometimes i have to say sorry babe or i need a all right but you have to like get in the zone for your partner she should know it means a lot to you for her to connect with your friends she should know it means a lot to you for her to connect with your friends. She should know it means a lot to you for her to connect with your family or to blend in with your family. And she doesn't seem to be willing to do that. Even after our conversation, there's not much of an effort to bond with them or really talk to them. The last time my parents came in, because she's met them a few times. Like she really only responded.

Like if my dad like said something, she didn't try to initiate any conversation or anything of the sort. So here's what my gut tells me based off of talking to you. And I've been in your shoes before. And you know, is this your first girlfriend, second? No, this is my second girlfriend. So, but you know, you're 23 early in life. When we're

younger, you have future wife here on your phone. I think often in early relationships, we meet someone, we get super excited, and you start talking about your hopes and dreams, and you put future wife in your phone. And I have no doubt that you care about her and that you love her and that you wish her the best. But I feel like most of your relationship is based off of the idea that you have for this relationship and the promises you guys made to one another early in the relationship. And now it's just a struggle. And you spend a lot of time in this relationship, stressed out, anxious, making sure she's okay, wondering if she's okay, making sure that,

you know, or being frustrated with her that she's not stepping up and, you know, making it a priority, the things that matter to you, et cetera, et cetera. And I think you're feeling this guilt inside about the idea of breaking up with her because of all these promises that you two made to one another early in your relationship. And I guess I'm just here to say, like, listen, people can break up. You have the right to realize that maybe she's not your person and that, you know, maybe that you two just aren't compatible. And sure, you could, you could go to couples therapy. You could try all these things. You could exhaust all your options. But, you know, I asked you, what is something that you two are compatible

over? And you had a really hard time giving one answer and that's okay. But I think maybe you just need to, you know, have that honest conversation with yourself first and just realize that maybe there's just not a lot here to keep trying and that, well, you gave it your best shot, but, you know, you need compatibility on some level about something to make a relationship work and i just think you're just feeling a lot of guilt and a lot of fear about disappointing her and for all the questions of are you going to break up with me are you going to break up with me that makes it extra hard knowing if you do want to break up that you're going to be the bad guy and she's going to throw

things in your face. I fucking knew it. You're going to always do shit like that. As hard as it is, I think the best thing maybe from what I hear is that he's got to rip the bandaid off and she might hate you. She might think you're the bad guy. It's okay. She will heal and get over it.

But I don't think this relationship is serving anyone because it just sounds like a lot of anxious people just kind of being unwilling to face the truth that maybe you two don't bring out the best in one another. Yeah. If you find yourself feeling bad, like she probably should spend some time on her. Speaking as like the person who's been the like, why aren't you responding to my text? Like she should probably spend some time on her own and feel a little bit more self-sufficient or she should date someone who is super responsive and can give her exactly what she wants in that department. So like, don't feel bad because you're setting her like you're letting you're setting both of yourselves free so that way you can both find situations that

like serve you more. You have the right to be happy and you have the right to be with someone you're compatible with and you have the right to be with someone who brings more contentment and calmness and peace into your life rather than anxiousness and frustration and sadness. And I think Jean made an excellent point. You should want her there. You should want to have the person you love at your sister's. I mean, it's great to like be in love at a wedding. It's so great, you know, because you kind of look to your partner's side and like, that could be us someday, you know, and like everyone who's in love, who love at a wedding. It's so great, you know, because you kind of look to your partner's side and like that could be us someday, you know? And like everyone who's in love, who's at a wedding feels a bond

and everyone who's at a wedding in a relationship that doesn't feel that connected, it's like a, it's a really great litmus test, you know, to be at a relationship as a couple because it either is going to elevate you two and feel, make you guys more connected or it's going to, you're going to feel like this kind of awkward divide between the two of you. And I feel like in your gut, you know where you two stand.

I definitely do. It's just so hard because of that guilt, but I just feel bad and I just don't know how to even approach that subject. You just got to do it you just gotta you gotta do it and you gotta do it in person not via text yeah she's gonna cry and be mad and you just say listen I just don't think we're

compatible we don't make each other happy you're not happy with me I'm not happy with you and like you just be direct don't say things like well maybe we could take a break or maybe we'll see in the future. People say that when it gets awkward and they see their partner crying, but that's only going to make things harder in the long run. Don't be mean, but be very direct about your feelings. And it's okay if she thinks you're the bad guy you're better off because she

just she needs to kind of go through that grieving process of anger sadness and things like that and you just got to do it you got this you got it let us know how this goes like i'll send you an email to check in i know this is like so hard and challenging and it's you know easy to talk about but hard to do so we will check in we really want an update unfortunately i have to wait until next weekend because i can't that's okay i don't see her this week and she works. So I'm like, that's okay. Just don't convince yourself out of it. The good news is you invite her to the wedding.

She might see it coming. You know? It's like. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's okay. She's seen it coming for a while.

There you go. Kind of got to save the date of breakups. All right. Well, keep us posted. I'm sorry you're going through this, but I really think it's for the best. I feel like in your heart of hearts, it's what you're doing this for the both of you. She won't see it right away, but I promise you it's for the best. You got this, darling.

All right. Thank you. All right. Take care. Thanks for calling. All right. Bye bye. Gee, you got your first North American tour.

I do. How excited you are for that. Gee, you got your first North American tour coming up. How excited you are for that? What's the thing that most excites you? What do you want the audience to know about this tour? This tour? Well, I reckon it's a pretty fun show. There's a lot of drumming. Drumming's my main instrument. So there's a lot of big drum solos, and drums is a big part of the show.

So if you like seeing people tear up a drum kit, then it's a fun show to come to. Amazing. What's the thing you're looking forward to the most other than Brett and Jason being background dancers? It's going to be a big highlight. I honestly just like seeing different parts of America and meeting different people in America. Like America is so different. You go to each state and it's like wildly different from the last. And you guys all have funny accents.

Like it changes where you go. You guys all talk funny. I bet you guys sitting here thinking I talk funny. But yeah, I just love being on the road and seeing new places and meeting new people. How do you like to interact with the crowd most? Like Taylor Swift is dating someone. Who is she dating?

Matt Healy. Matt Healy. interact with the crowd most like taylor swift is dating some who is what is she dating matt healy matt healy he goes around and makes out with the crowd which seems a little aggressive but hey to each their own do you have a thing how do you like to interact with the audience i mean stage presence it seems to be such a big part of being a rock star and engaging like do you have a go-to thing to how to connect with your audience i definitely go down to the pit or down to the front and hang out with people. Sometimes I jump the barrier and then I get involved with everyone. But yeah, I do a lot of talking in between songs as well. So there's a lot of banter that goes down, some chats.

But yeah, I like to, if people are lining up beforehand, I like to go say hey, because I used to be that person that would line up outside the venue. And, you know, I was a big music fan in Australia. So I like to hang out after the show and before the show with people. And, you know, the fans and people that come to your show is the reason that I have my career. So I'm always very thankful. And I try to reply to as many people after the show as I can before bed to say thank you

for coming to my show or stick around and sign some T-shirts or anything. But people that come to your show, that's the whole reason I have a job. Yeah. Always, like, stoked. And I can't believe that, you know, like I was just like a kid making music in my bedroom in Melbourne, Australia to even have my own headline USA tours, you know, pretty wild. And I'm very, very thankful. just enjoy listening to what are what are some of your favorites out there and and is there an artist that growing up you've kind of mimicked or kind of taken ideas from or inspired you when you make music yeah i think growing up for me is like a little queer non-binary kid i really really

struggled to find anyone in media across the board not just music but in movies and tv um i really really struggled to find an idol. And I know that if there was an artist like me openly, like queer, non-binary and drumming, it really would have changed my life if I, you know, watching MTV as a kid, you know, I really, like I'd look up and the Pussycat Dolls and Beyonce, and there's so many artists that I was like, it's just not like me. I want to be more like Travis Barker and take my top off and just rip up a drum kit. So I really struggled with finding an idol when I grew up because I just didn't have any representation that was anything like me. The closest I had was my drum teacher, Jenny, that I met when I was 11, 12 years old and taught me drums from when I was 11, 12 till like 18, 19. And she was amazing. And she was

dressed like I wanted to dress and play drums and did backing vocals. And she was exactly everything I wanted to be growing up. So I found my idol in her and just wanted to follow in her footsteps. and just wanted to follow in her footsteps. What is your kind of dream in terms of your career goals? Like you're already very successful, you're a star, but is there anything in terms of a fantasy that you have when it comes to your career that you will be like, holy shit, this is it? Yeah, I think for me the most important thing is just my

general happiness i think you can win as many awards and sell as many concerts out but if you're not happy at the end then what's the fucking point i think what brings me the most joy in my career which brings me the biggest smiles is seeing my favorite people, my like loved ones. They're like my dad and my mom and my sister and my step bros and, you know, Chrishell seeing them all so happy in the joy that I bring them. Like my dad is an accountant, but he wanted to be a rock star and he,

my first memories of him was playing in shitty bars and I thought he was playing in a fucking arena, but he was playing to like five people in a shit dive bar in Australia. He wanted to be a rock star, but getting to bring him on the road brings him so much joy. And I've brought him out on stage a couple of times. That's awesome. And getting to take my mum to see Billie Eilish, mum was like, you know,

classic mum, like had her phone out the whole time. I'm like, mum, you're not even going to watch these videos back. But she was like, it was the best concert for her and she thought it was so fun. And being able to provide for my loved ones and through my success. And obviously I love playing live and I grew up playing drums and playing in wedding bands and all these other bands. So I just love being on stage and that interaction you have with band members and playing but i think overall i love my loved ones and seeing their reaction to shit is really nice to be able to do that as a job yeah musicians love to do collaborations is

there a musician out there that you'd love to collaborate with like maybe do drums like play drums with along with travis parker or something else or have you ever thought about something like that yeah me and travis have worked together we made a cool track it's not released I'm not sure if it will get released but he's awesome he's got a drum room with like eight drum kits in it it literally blew my mind and he showed me all his drums and I was just like in awe it was the coolest thing but yeah there's lots of artists I want to work with or I just feel like at heart I'm such a musician so even just drumming on people's record I don't like it doesn't need to say featuring G Flip but just like you know working in the studio and putting drums on people's songs I feel like

early 2000s there was a lot of drum kit on pop music and then it kind of became like an artificial kind of 808 drum beats and stuff and I think now in pop music it's kind of coming back real drum kit at least so um yeah just working on people's records behind the scene as well as you know getting up and featuring drums on someone's performance at a festival could be cool. Anything. Even just like getting up and doing a low-key wedding gig on drums would be fun. Do you want to play at my wedding? Fuck yeah, bro.

All right. Hells yeah. That'd be epic. Yeah. Love that. Drum feature. I'm going to text now and be like, found a drummer. Hey, G, I have a question for you. Yes.

Found a drummer. Hey, G, I have a question for you. Yes. You mentioned not having someone to look up to growing up, especially that reminded you of yourself or in any sort of media. I recently saw a TikTok of these two. I think they're little Australian kids. Yes. And the brother is like talking to the little sister and talking about you. And the sister, you know, is saying she's a great drummer.

And the brother's like yeah but they're they them they're non-binary and goes down this whole little rabbit hole what does that mean for you to hear not only like I don't know people talking about you in general but little kids who are not only in awe of your music but you as a human being yeah I've actually got tears in my eyes that video like makes me cry fully. Yeah, it means so much. I feel like, oh, God, I don't want to cry on this. I feel like growing up I had so many dark times not understanding my gender and not understanding what it was to be non-binary.

And then, you know, trying to, oh, I don't want to fucking cry on here. No, I'm crying. Everybody's crying. Yeah, just thinking about my own journey and not understanding myself as a kid and having so many dark times and dark days and then um you know me just being so unashamed to be myself and trying to be so as authentic as I can be to tell my story and be that voice for the next generation. You know, I think about that a lot.

And that video really confirmed that, holy shit, like, you know, sometimes, you know, me just being myself is bigger than I thought it could be. So, yeah, that video like blew my mind. And it's just so simple. And the way that little, these little kids just talk about being non-binary is so pure and so easy and it it's so relatable and it's so easy to understand kids like it's not too hard for them to understand and um that video was just so emotional for me and then you know i just think it's great parenting and she didn't interject

she just like listened and it was just so cute well the boy nailed it he had the perfect little definitions i loved it and the little sister is just like okay sounds good yeah violet she's like yep yep that's cool yeah i get it and then the mom goes so um so how do we how do we say that and they're like they're a good they're a great drummer they're a good drummer it's just really really really cute that you know these conversations are being had and you know kids are getting it and it's just you know moving the needle to i think a more accepting beautiful future for people that are gender diverse um all it comes down to is education, you know? So yeah, it was fucking cute.

That's great. Uh, G it's been such a pleasure. Oh, dude. Uh, thanks for having me. Great.

Good to know you. Congratulations again on the, uh, the wedding. Cheers. Can you just, you know, anything,

final thoughts, you know, where can people, you know, get tickets to your tour, any other performances you have coming up, you know, please plug away, all the great things that you're doing. Yeah, I'm playing a few shows across the States for Pride this June. And then, yeah, I've got my headline tour, which is going to be really fun going across the States.

You can get tickets on my website, gflipmusic.com. Is that the website yeah my manager's like yeah that's right and we'll put it in our show description too for anyone who wants to go ahead and click on that and then overall thank you for having me you guys have been lovely you're fucking great at what you do man your advice is great and oh thanks yeah you're excellent as well it's been a pleasure getting to know you and look forward to you playing at my wedding. Fuck yeah. All right.

Let's go. I love a wedding. Love that. Thank you guys so much for listening. Don't forget to send in those questions at asknickatthevilefiles.com for all things Ask Nick. We got another episode of Better Date Than Never live tonight at 9 p.m. Eastern.

What are we talking about? Nudes. Nudes. Love. Love a good nude. Nudes save relationships. I honestly good nude. Nudes save relationships. I honestly think that. Okay.

I don't know if they're great for dating, but in relationships, do you love a good nude? A good nude is good when you're away from each other for a while. Yeah. It's a little hot. You know, I think in the relationship, it keeps it spicy, keeps it hot. A little spicy. You know, a little risky outside of a relationship. You know, internet's forever.

Also, watermark your nudes. Watermark forever um water also watermark your nudes watermark your nudes if you're gonna do it outside of a relationship anyway g flip it's been a such a pleasure thank you so much again thank you all who all listen we'll see you tonight live at 9 p.m eastern for better date than never bye Bye. See ya.