The Viall Files - E590 Mary (Fitzgerald) Bonnet Tells All! Plus VPR Reunion Part 1 Recap

Episode Date: May 31, 2023

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what's going on everybody welcome back to a new and exciting episode of the volo files files freestyle edition vanderpump recap edition and kind of like a mini going deeper we have mary fitzgerald with us today super excited to catch up with mary and get all the tea and low down and all things selling sunset season six we're so excited uh we we have a jam-packed week for you obviously hopefully you guys listened to the ask nick uh episode that dropped yesterday on tuesday before we get to mary we have to we have to get into the vanderpump uh reunion episode one get a little mini recap for you i mean honestly i think a lot of people complained that it was going to be three episodes, impatient, but it was jam-packed from beginning to end. We watched it twice, two nights in a row. We watched the live version, I guess, the Bravo

version, and then we watched the uncensored version on Peacock. There was like maybe two minutes of additional content, right? Did you guys really notice that? You didn't introduce us, so the world has no idea who you're talking to. The household is here. Our pop culture correspondent is here. Thank you, pop culture correspondent. Natalie Joy is with us. What if it was just Nick and we like panned out as Nick alone in a room just like recording

by himself? He's like, the household is not here. I'm alone and I'm scared. It's just kiki. How's everyone doing? Mental health check. Everyone good? Derek is here before he leaves for jury duty. Hello.

He can't talk about the trial. Trial of the century. We've heard. Crime is being fought right now. Justice is being served. Well well we don't know either way all right i mean what do we think they came swinging and i think i was talking to amanda about this it's so funny to think about the fact that we're all watching this at like 7 or 9 p.m or whatever we're ready for the tea this is 8 a.m on a random wednesday on a studio lot and they're

like have been up for hours getting glam and james kennedy was just ready to go yeah they were ready they were ready to guns a blazing and lisa's telling him darling stop we have 10 hours of this and lala's like i'm ready for the whole thing he's like that woman has stamina yeah like lala is fully prepared to engage this way for the entirety of filming i love how they called out tom for his crocodile tears, which clearly they were crocodile tears because after he got called out for it, he immediately stopped crying. He dried it up real quick.

He went from like blubbering and then he was like, all right, listen, I'm really sorry. Okay, fine. I feel like it's like soccer. It's like someone accusing you of diving and then you're like, okay, fine. Then you stand up and like walk away.

All fine. It was like instant. Did you all pick up at the moment like moments later when uh andy you know because he was basically like going down to like hey how's everyone doing what's going on and kind of introing everyone and they're giving everyone a minute to kind of you know whatever they wanted to say and quickly andy was like oh so how's Brock? He cut his hair. Did you guys not pick up on that? In Santa Vasha. Really?

He's like the most. Wait, you broke character just to be like fascinated that Brock cut his hair? I think it's like, oh, he's just such a good friend. He's just so invested in everyone. He can't help but react this way. No, I felt like for me, it was like when you were growing up and if you had like a stern like talking to or you got in trouble with your parents, it was like the first kind of like question to see like to suss out the vibes. That's what it read like to me.

Like, will she not least engage with me on a friendly level or does everyone hate me? Yeah. If I if I act really interested in this. Can I see? He was trying to extend the olive branch for sure. But it was really out of pocket. And it just came across. It seemed like a very instinctual, like that was the real him.

And the rest is like an act, you know? Yeah. Can we talk about Katie and Swartz for a second? Because I know obviously most of this reunion was about obviously Scandival. But I felt like this reunion really, in episode one, really kind of made me kind of fully understand the Schwartz and Katie of it all. The dynamic. For me, it seems very clear that, you know, we've talked about Tom being the fun guy, Tom being the guy who, you know, just wants everyone to like him. Right. He he certainly you can't accuse Tom of not wanting to be loyal.

Tom, Tom is a loyal guy. I think he has incredibly misplaced loyalty. Right. I think he's loyal to the wrong people. And I think his his reasons for being loyal are kind of cemented in, I guess. Yeah, he's like loyal to himself. And then he picks allies based on that loyalty. I don't know if it's necessarily loyal. I think he's...

He's definitely not loyal to Katie. Correct. Yeah. But he still is. He's loyal to Sandoval. He's loyal to Sandoval. And I don't think that's serving him at all. I think he's a loyal person.

I just think he has very much misplaced loyalty. But at the end of the day, Tom is one of those classic guys who I think Tom fell out of love with Katie. You know, when Katie's talking, she even said at the reunion, she like she was forced to make a decision she didn't want to say. I don't know that was an exact quote, but that's pretty much, you know, what she said at the reunion. She didn't want I don't She didn't want to get divorced, it didn't seem like. She wanted to make this work. Tom Schwartz forced her to make this decision, which is kind of this trope that many, many guys do where they don't want to be the bad guy. Tom Schwartz doesn't want to be the bad guy. He wants everyone to love him. So instead of

doing the thing where he's willing to get Katie, we always talk about, if you're going to break up with someone, the actual right thing to do, the brave thing to do, the selfless thing to do is to be willing to allow the person to hate you, to think you're the bad guy so that they can get over you. Swartz didn't want to do that. Swartz doesn't ever want to be the bad guy. So instead of just going to Katie and saying the kind of harsh thing where all of Katie's girlfriends would be like, you're a fucking asshole for saying that, just be like, I don't know if I'm in love with you anymore. Because I think he just stopped prioritizing her. He stopped giving a shit. And that point where Tom Swartz was arguing with Katie, being like, you always

have to have it your way just because I don't want to be friends with you the way you want to be friends. We can't be friends. That encapsulated exactly Tom Swartz where he doesn't understand. He literally doesn't understand what a boundary means, where it's just like he thinks that he could do kind of like when you're young, you're just like, I just want to be me and do whatever the fuck I want. And I just want people to like me because I'm a nice guy. When you get older and you're an adult and you start like having real life problems, you start developing these like

non-negotiables and boundaries and be like, I don't want to associate myself with people who do X, Y, or Z because they make my mental health, like whatever. And he just doesn't understand that concept of like, hey, listen, if you want to fuck people in our group, I don't want to be your friend. And Tom literally doesn't understand that logic of having to do something for someone you care about. He doesn't understand the idea of having to make a sacrifice for a quote unquote, a friend.

And it's just to me that just encapsulated everything. When Andy was just like, hey, so this is your first reunion, like not sitting next to Katie. Like James called it out perfectly. He was like, oh yeah. Like he didn't even consider it. Like I think Sworch is so over that relationship. He just doesn't care. He doesn't want to consider Katie's feelings. And Katie very much wants to, it's like, we can't be married. Like, you don't love me the way I want to be loved. So I don't want to be in a relationship with you. But like, can you have some respect for what we had? And Swartz is just uninterested and unwilling to do that. And I think he's been hiding behind the truth. The truth is, I think he fell out of love with her. The truth is, I think he fell out of love with her. And I think he conveniently is playing the victim because Katie is the one who ended the relationship being like, well, I she broke up with me type of thing. What am I supposed to do?

And I think he forced Katie's hand. And it's I don't know. Him calling the friend rule murky to him. He's like, I don't know. It just seems like the friends like no making out in the friend group is just like a little murky to me like how is it murky there's four women that she doesn't want you that are on the show currently being filmed that she doesn't want you to make out with five women and two of them are in committed relationships ariana obviously she was and

sheena so he has lala raquel and that's it right yeah because Ali's in a relationship yeah so like how how do you not understand that it's he doesn't yeah no I agree with you I just think he he's thinking at such a basic level where it's just like if you can fuck other people I can fuck other people and because you not my wife, you don't get to pick and choose who I get to fuck. Logically, I get where Swartz is coming from. The part he is missing is if you want to be my friend, because Swartz is claiming, why can't we be friends? He's upset that the way they communicate isn't what it used to be. He's upset that there are parameters that he has to oblige to to be Katie's friend.

He's like, I want to be your friend because I want to be your friend. And I want to be able to talk to you when I pick up the dogs. And Katie's like, no, this is a weekly thing that we have to do.

This is not an opportunity for us to catch up. But not only that, but he wants to have the option to make out with the one or two people that are even available to make out with that are against kind of Katie's rules. And he's just like, I don't want to be bound by those rules just to be your friend. And Katie's like, OK, well, then we're not friends, you know, and Tom's like, why not? And I'm like, what the fuck?

How do you not understand that if you want to be Katie's friend, if you want to still be friends with your ex-wife, all you have to do is not make out with a handful of people. And if you do want to make out with these people, fine. You can't be friends. It's just, which door do you want? On a similar note, what did you guys make of Ariana and Lisa Vanderpump's exchange, where Ariana was saying, i respect that you're a business partner to tom and that you have that existing relationship i like answering honestly i just think i won't be as close to you if that well i wanted to ask you all this did you i think a lot of people watching it thought lisa vanderpump was a little soft on tom schwartz i was on sandoval

rather and i guess in raquel did you guys agree with that? Do you think? I feel like she's obviously the mother of the group and they're all her kids. And so I felt like everyone was attacking Sandoval. So she like got the protective mother bear energy and was just trying to like ease it. But I did hear her several times condemn him and say, you know, I didn't think it was that bad. I think a lot of people watching it don't want objectivity. They want a crucifixion. You know, I do agree with Lisa. Maybe Sandoval is a is a is a narcissist and a dangerous person.

It's possible. I don't know if Lala is in a position to make that type of diagnosis. And I think it's fair for Lisa to just kind of, hey, listen, like Lisa is right about that. And Andy made a point where it's just like Tom Sandoval isn't the only cheater out there. Sadly, you know, like people like for a lot of different reasons have stepped out or whatever. Not all those people are evil fucking narcissists. You know what I'm saying? whatever not all those people are evil fucking narcissist you know what i'm saying like what he did was terrible and selfish but like it's just hard to sit there and and compare him to the worst

person in the world or like the devil i don't think she was saying that because he cheated he's a narcissist i think she's saying like it's more so about all of his actions since that make him a narcissist like him not leaving the house. Well, that was that Ariana or Lala? Lala's the one who basically was like, I couldn't get him to stay home. Yes, that was such a great line. And then the second shit hit the fan, I couldn't get him the fuck out of the house. Yeah.

And honestly, like, and she, yeah, she's like, that's what a narcissist would do. Now, I don't know. I don't diagnose narcissists. But yeah, that is. That is crazy how true that is, though. Yes. That really, like true that is, though. Yes. That really like rung for me. Like they don't give a shit ever the whole time, the whole relationship.

Then the second they fuck up and they're caught. Yeah. Oh, my God. Then they become a big problem. Oh, my God. Yeah. Yeah. They like lose control in some capacity.

Yeah. There's no real. He's not sorry. And he says he's sorry all the time. It's like I thought Ariana crushedana crushed it right i don't i don't i don't like andy cohen's there to do his job i get it right there they have to fill 10 hours whatever he's got to ask these relevant questions but i absolutely love that ariana every chance she got nevertheless was just like this is all irrelevant because it is because

every time andy asked a question to Sandoval about why do you think the relationship, this had nothing to do with the health of their relationship. That's a whole separate conversation. But Andy is asking questions about the relationship. That's what he opened up with. He started talking to Sandoval. I think more like, I think Andy could have done a better job timing wise, because the way he immediately started talking to Sandoval. I think Andy could have done a better job timing-wise because the way he immediately started talking to Sandoval was to ask about why did he think the relationship ended? And back to with Howie Mandel, it's just like, don't ask that question. Ask, why do you think you cheated? Why did you go about lying and handling it this way? Not,

why did the relationship go bad? Those are completely separate arguments. So I love that Ariana was like, who gives a shit? Like, it doesn't matter. It's irrelevant. You either break up or you work on it, you know? And I thought she was absolutely a rock star for handling it that way. She was so good. I also thought another moment she really shined was when asked about raquel and this might have i think she said something like this in the reunion and in like the finale episode where like when asked to describe her by andy i think this was in the interview she was like lost like really like looking for an identity and like goes on to say like diabolical and all of the very valid criticism about this like horrible person

but like i just really appreciated that specifically i thought that was a very emotionally intelligence approach to thing and i think like ariana just seems so powerful and like because of that she's like not scared to be vulnerable in other ways like i think she's just doing a really commendable job like being really open and honest about both the things that are like yeah go off queen you look amazing and then also the stuff where it's like yeah i do still feel this way or like i don't know no i she she's not feeling sorry for herself i think when you're younger and shit like this happens to you your ego takes over and you're why me how could this happen to me i can't believe this

happened to me what did i do what did i do wrong you know i'm sure ariana if you talk to her about the relationship would be would be willing to say yeah i don't know what i'm sure at times i was hard to be around and i'm sure at times yada yada yada but this has nothing to do with that and so she is not feeling sorry for herself she's not not acting like, how could this happen to me? She's just like, this happened to me. And it sucks. And I'm fucking dealing with it. And I'm mad and I'm angry.

But like, this isn't a reflection of me. And she's not even entertaining that thought. And it comes across as so empowering and great. It's wonderful. The dress. Obviously, there's so many other amazing things about Ariana. But I do think we should at least mention the dress. Wow. N many other amazing things about Ariana but I do think we should at least mention the dress

wow nuts never in the history she is sitting down for 10 hours and like not in a cut out dress and like

abs are ripped like she back is straight she is perfect I have never watched a Bravo reunion before this is my first one this is my first one what

an amazing place to start i feel very lucky they're always nuts though honestly like housewives they're always bonkers the booing like what did you guys think of like the heckling from day one shame no i love it when anytime like you know they were talking about other topics and like sandoval would like chime in and la would be like shut the fuck up you know, they were talking about other topics and like Sandoval would like chime in and Lala would be like, shut the fuck up. You know, like every time he would open his mouth. It was so great. Whoever put Lala and James next to each other nailed it. They're like the literal peanut gallery.

When James was like, yeah, that didn't land for me. That was that was really good. James's commentary is fantastic. Yeah. And Lala's like, I didn't even listen. Yeah. Can we talk about Raquel? Oh, my God.

Like Nick is like Nick keeps saying, oh, that could be like not her. Her real react. yeah and lala's like i didn't even listen yeah can we talk about raquel oh my god like nick is like nick keeps saying oh that could be like not it's her her real react i believe it is her real reactions she's rolling her eyes at ariana saying anything where she's hurt or she's like how it affected her raquel's rolling her eyes maybe it is a true reaction i'm just when it comes to stuff like that it could they could have been filming her for literally 10 hours and she could have been like watching the prices right but what was but what was true was when he was asking andy was asking sandoval that question and james kept interrupting and he was like trying to fight him whatever and andy's my cards and then andy's like finally can i get back to the question i've been trying to ask

and rachel's like oh my god i really want another answer to this it's like she needs the validation from him that like he wanted her and her face lit up when she was mentioned by the toms like lit up like she was when tom said their kiss was liberating yes she was like she literally she she came herself in that moment she was miss california like she really a hundred fucking percent she was take your first walk i finally won yeah if we are going to take her reactions at face value and they very much well might be is that it's it seems clear after watching this reunion and i'm not shocked because ariana talked about how like she was kind of coached by sandoval a million dollars i don't know i've lost bets i've lost fake bets on this

show before um but dk in the hole 50k i'm 50 in the hall they all try to get back for another 50k in the hole 50k i'm 50k in the hall they all try to get back for another 50k 50k in here yeah i did sorry babe chelsea and kwame's wedding yeah when sandoval and raquel started hooking up he absolutely told i know there was that accusation you know that you know that we're open but i think somewhere along the line i guarantee you he told raquel that him and ariana weren't sleeping together at all he's like we're not having sex at all. Because there was that moment where you picked up on it. Go ahead, babe. When Sheena, I guess, Lala came to Sheena and was like, I really think that Sanabon Raquel,

because he's been talking to her the same way, whatever. So then Sheena goes to Ariana. She's like, how was your relationship? She's like, listen, we've been extremely intimate this month. It's been really good. And Raquel's face was like, what? It's like Sanab we've been extremely like intimate this month like it's been really good and raquel's face was like what yeah it's like santa bono telling her like no i've been sleeping downstairs i'm on the couch like we haven't touched i don't even hug her like there's no intimacy he's like we have to fuck in the guest room because this is actually my room welcome let's get bunk beds that makes me know like raquel's reactions are rachel like they

definitely they they seem off like her just and while while we don't know if those reactions were real we've certainly seen plenty of reactions where it couldn't be edited like that whole scene between her and sandoval afterwards where she like it because she was turned on. She was getting off. I mean, she was into it. She didn't feel all that remorseful or sorry. That all being said, I have a little bit more empathy for Rachel because I do feel like with Sandoval being older and being in a position of power, being part of this franchise or show for a decade, and Rachel Raquel being somewhat of a newbie, that I do think he had more influence and power and manipulation. And I do think he deserves more heat. And subsequently, I'm willing to give a

little bit of grace to Rachel for the fact that I guarantee there was some manipulation going on. I still think she was completely wrong and and guilty. And I question her character a lot, but just a little bit of grace compared to that, knowing that that Sandoval absolutely was lying and manipulating uh rachel as well i mean they also have been saying for season on end that they all think that she is has rocks for brains like the elevator doesn't go all the way to the top and i just think and i just think that like maybe there's some truth to that and maybe she's just like she doesn't have a lot of critical thinking or common sense, maybe. And she's she's just like taking everything Sandoval says as Bible and like he would never lie to her. And Sandoval is just a rock star.

Because that's true. If that's true, if Tom was just like, listen, we're in an open relationship. We never have sex. We're basically just roommates, yada, yada. It doesn't make what she did OK, because clearly she's best friends with Ariana. And if she thought that was true, why didn't Rachel ever go to Ariana and go, are you guys in an open relationship? But they kind of make sense because that conversation she had at the bar at the night before the Katie. No, no.

With Ariana. Raquel had with Ariana. At Lisa Vanderpump's birthday party where she's like are you guys like hooking up regularly like how is your spine don't feel bad yeah it's like are you asking those questions because sandoval's been telling you and you're like kind of suspicious of that and so you want to like get down to the truth told her that maybe sandoval i think she I think she's like TikTok leave your wife kind of vibes. Like, oh, he said he would do this. He said he was do this. He's not doing it. And now she's like getting impatient.

My roommate also had a fantastic theory on Raquel that I thought where she was like, I think Raquel, because of her like upbringing and like experience in pageant, like is not really capable of trusting other women, like is deeply mistrustful. But it's like really deep down and so she's not aware of it like on a conscious level but there's this resentment that she feels because she doesn't ever like fully engage in her friendships and she's not ever to like full like feel that support from them and so all of this like and her decision to fuck our ariana royally in this insane way is a manifestation of the fact that she was like, well, we've

never really been on the same team. I've never felt like I could really let down my guard, which doesn't justify it or make it okay. It makes you understand a little bit more. Like she, it's not, not everyone is like good or evil. There are definitely shades of gray. I think there's still hopefully hope for Rachel. She's still relatively young.

You know, that does matter. Like Tom is 40, you know, as James Kennedy kept pointing out. That being said, it's like they are all a bunch of cheaters. You're all acting a little bit righteous given that like you all kind of fucked up. The only difference is the life partner. The best friend. That is. And there is.

That is a valid fucking point by Lala. What a golden golden coincidence that his last name is sandoval and it works with scandal i mean maybe he was just destined to do this he's still pop like he's also like why is sandoval fighting with people he was some glamour magazine article came out about like he's ruined white fingernail polish and like tom sandoval's up in instagram like reposting it repost first of all like when anyone wants to like complain about our content and then they like tag our podcast i'm like thanks for thank you first of all like you're stupid for doing that but

also just like stop saying i'm sorry but i'm sorry but like we weren't sleeping together i'm sorry but like we were having problems for five years if you were having problems for fucking years, that's on you for not doing anything about it. That just shows how much of a coward that he is. And then the way he talked about how he was like thinking of Ariana. Well, if she was such a bad place, you weren't thinking of Ariana. You were thinking of yourself. Stop implying that you were thinking of anyone but yourself. Him assuming that he would tell Ariana this world shattering news and then she would just go into her interviews and talk about something about her. And she would just like never talk about them. She wouldn't like out it.

She would just like he didn't want her to have to go into interviews and like talk about her normal life when like she had just found out that he had been having an affair on her. Oh, but then in the flashback with with Kristen, it was crazy how identical it was. Just, uh, we weren't sleeping. He has like these breakup, like if I would cheat on someone, he's got a playbook of like excuses he makes. We weren't sleeping together. We weren't connect. Like cheating will always be an option for Sandoval when he's in a relationship with someone and he's not getting what he thinks is that he deserves in that relationship. he will be too afraid. Swartz will get you to break up with him. He will make you pretend that he's happy, but he will just stop loving you.

Sandoval will start fucking someone else. Neither of them will just have the guts to say, hey, listen, this isn't working for me. I don't think we should be in a relationship. And allow that person to hate him and say all these things and break up with him and be the bad guy they will just try to figure out a way to avoid that and they're just we they're just cowards i just when he's having that conversation with rachel the finale and she's like i just can't help but think like am i stupid because are you gonna like cheat on me and he's like god no never i was so proud of her for asking that question and granted bar is low bars in hell very low and i'm ultimately not proud of her as a human being

thinks she has a lot of work to do but the fact that she was even thinking that way i was like okay yes let's keep this going i i want to believe there is hope for rachel in swartz i've given up on sandoval as a human but lost lost cause, but Schwartz, I just, he's, if he can just grow up and realize that he, if he wants to be loyal, he's got to, he's got to understand boundaries. He's got to. And I love that part. Where was it? Was it Lisa? Well, called out Schwartz for like, say something that has some fucking weight behind it. Like say, like take a fucking stand like Katie does. That's what I love so much about Katie or Lala. Whether I agree with everything they say, it's not the point. They're willing to take a fucking stand for what they think is right or wrong. And Swartz is always trying to figure out a way to say something so that no one's mad at him. And it's just like, you're 40 years old. It gets fucking old. And by doing nothing, it's like life has finally caught up to him where you realize trying to appease everyone, you eventually hurt the people you claim to care about the most.

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That's Sundays, S-U-N-D-A-Y-S-F-O-R-D-O-G-S dot com forward slash V-I-A-L-L. Upgrade your pup to Sundays and feel good about the food you feed your dog. Mary, welcome. Hello. How's your heart? My heart? Yeah, we ask all our questions. Yeah, I know it catches people off guard. People usually feel like they should warm up to get deep, but we like to just right off the bat. It's full of love. Full of love. We love that. Why? Because I have a pretty good life. There you go. Got a lot of people

around me that I love very much okay well that's so would love to hear that um you are in the throes of of season six coming out uh congratulations on a very entertaining and wonderful season the people seem to be enjoying it how do you feel about it what's it been like for you do you like kind of going into all these seasons do you have almost like a ritual of how to prepare for what the inevitable like fallout is and things like that how do you handle it and then how do you kind of how does that affect the group and things like that the dynamic when seasons drop because i know like you know you can film it and everyone's fine but then like inevitably it airs and you don't get this.

You don't even know, I'm assuming, everything that is going to be played. And then how does that go? Well, I normally go into each season. We get a break in between. Sure. And so I go in very, you know, rested and positive and you never know what's going to happen, really. And this season was definitely shocking. I thought it was going to be so much easier because Christine's gone.

And I was like, this is going to be a breeze. It's going to be drama free. And Nicole has been, she's one of the new agents. Well, she's been an agent for a long time at the Oppenheim Group, but a new cast member. And she's been a really good friend. She actually officiated our wedding. Yeah, yeah. We saw that on the season.

Yeah. So that was not expected. Not expected. Not expected at all. And things just started happening. And I'm like, I would just sit there like, what do I say? What do I do? There's so many aspects of it that jason was

the only one aware of the situation and he was just like don't don't bother me and everyone wanted me to answer and i'm like i don't have answers i need i need jason to tell me what happened as someone who is friends with chrishell yeah friends with jason you're what's the proper title you're you're running the office. Yeah. I'm vice president. Vice president. OK.

Very important. You're running the show. Nicole officiated your wedding. You're kind of like the third party. Yeah. How did you see it play out? Like, why do you feel like Nicole chose to bring up the past? Obviously, Chrishell has been very kind of outspoken on social media,

saying like, you're doing this for the storyline. You're doing this for cloud. This is kind of coming out of nowhere. Why are you doing this? Yada, yada. I think, you know, me and I think a lot of people, I'm not familiar with the ins and outs, but I guess on face value,

I guess I would be upset or frustrated if someone was taking credit for my work, but maybe there's more to the story that meets the eye. Could you shed some light on why, what's going on? I mean, it was a long time ago and I do remember Nicole getting upset because Jason brought both of them on. And basically he brought- When you say them, I'm sorry. Nicole and...

Nicole and Chrishell. Okay, yeah. Yeah. And so, you know, in the beginning, Nicole did do more work on it. And he brought Chrishell on because she was newer at that time. And where it was kind of a learning thing for her.

And Nicole was the one that got paid for it. But I guess Chrishell posted it on Instagram. Like it was sold. And Nicole found out it was going to be on the show too. And she just got really upset back then. Jason's like, you need to chill. This was my client and I brought you on. So be thankful.

And I did not know it got squashed because i i talked to her back then so it was jason's kind of it was jason's connect so to speak jason it was jason's client and then he it was in the valley and jason didn't go to the valley back then jason's is like i'm too good yeah this is selling sunset not, not selling Ventura. Yeah. So he brought Nicole on to it to help out. And then apparently he brought Chris Shell on. I didn't know exactly how that played out. So I couldn't...

It was so long ago. I couldn't say anything to it because they were both saying things that I was like, okay, well, I wasn't aware of either one of those. I was just like a bystander at that time. And so then when Nicole's saying stuff, I'm just sitting here like. I don't even know what to say. I wanted her to just stop because I knew what she was doing and I just didn't expect it. When Nicole was like venting to you, they're like I've seen i've been a parts of these fights like fights

like this where you were just kind of like sitting there you know and i i took your lack of saying any like nicole seemed to take your lack of response as basically accusing you of not having a backbone and being conflict averse and things like that i'm watching you and being like nicole she doesn't agree with you like she's just politely not telling you that she thinks you're wrong that was my read yeah how how what what was what's the truth yeah um i was staying quiet because i i was just sitting here trying to think of how to say something to just squash it. Because this is not going to play out the way she thinks. She's new on the show. I know how it works. They're never going to just go one side. I mean, they're going to

show certain parts of it from each side. And then the people decide yeah and and i was like honey they are not going to give all these like facts that you're doing because krisha also has facts too they're just going to give like a snippet like kind of thing of it and and it's going to be up in the air for people to decide it's not going to play out the way you think and they're not going to make krisha look bad and if that's what you're trying to do it's not going to she's like no I'm not trying to make her look bad I'm trying to say what happened I was like well she says what happened to

do you think Chris shell is afforded a level of protection more so than any other do you do you think different cast members get different levels of protection no no I don't um i think i think they're never gonna make chrishell look bad that's for sure uh well they're being more honest about it actually because we just finished we just

finished filming seven and and i'm like i feel like season five chrishell got a chrishell got a little bit of heat she got a little messy yeah Yeah. And I mean that almost in a positive way, because I think to be on this show right over a period of time that you lose a level of authenticity. If if any one character always comes across as pristine, because as human beings, none of us are without fault. And we all have a messy side. And so I feel like we've seen a little bit of messiness from chrishell in a good way so yeah it doesn't seem like she's above board or anything like that especially on this season i think uh they we all just got a little more real i mean no one no one is perfect and and none of us look amazing all the time.

You were saying season seven. Do you have a little bit of a teaser preview? Does it get even messier? I mean, I think Palm Springs was, am I allowed to say, am I allowed to guess? Absolutely. Oh, fuck shit, Paul. Oh, okay, okay. Yeah, it was a full-on shit show.

I mean, even what you guys see, it was way worse. They were filming from the second we woke up to the second we went to bed for four days straight. And I had just I was I had to stop the IVF, the embryo freezing. And so I was taking injections, I had to stop mid like cycle to go on this trip. So I was, I hopped up on hormones. I just got a call from my dad as I'm pulling in where he was telling me a health thing that he just found out. So I was like, what? And it sounds really serious. I didn't know what it was. So I was super worried about it. And the second I put it in, they're like, okay, we got to get you mic'd up. And so in my head, I'm thinking about all of this. And then I was buying a house at the time I was trying to move. And so it was a lot going on. And, you know, I'm just trying to put everything aside. And yeah, it just got really

messy. And then all the girls were just going crazy. And and I was trying to mediate everything even more than what even shows on the episodes. And yeah, I was over it. I was trying to mediate everything even more than what even shows on the episodes. And yeah, I was over it. I was just exhausted. Was it kind of like there were distinct groups of girls or was it like everybody fighting everyone as individuals? No, there were cliques. Yeah. What are the cliques?

Okay, so Krishan and Ma. I think Heather and Brie were getting along. Brie was fine. She's actually been really nice and gets along and Ma, I think Heather and Brie were getting along. Brie was fine. She's actually been really nice and gets along with everybody. I think Chelsea has been coming at her and Brie's not going to stand for it. Why is Chelsea coming at Brie? I mean, it's just like, personally, I think Nick Cannon's kind of yucky and gross. But that's just a...

But you're not fucking him. That has nothing to do with bullying. That's her prerogative. She sounds like a beautiful child. Oh my God, he's so cute. I hope I'm lucky enough to be a dad someday. I certainly hope it's with my fiance, Natalie. But who knows?

Life comes at you fast. It's weird. And I don't know if Brie should have to apologize for having a child in the manner of which she wants to have a child. And I don't quite understand why Chelsea is coming at Brie for Nick Cannon's lifestyle choices. I don't either. I just, I believe in people being happy.

If she's okay with it, she's happy. It works for her. What's it to anybody else? You're not living that life. You're not the one dealing with it. The baby's taken care of. It's very loved. Nick comes over all the time.

Brie's an incredible mother. Allow people to live their own life. Be happy. You don't want people telling Allow people to live their own life. Be happy. Like, do you want people telling you how to live your life? So as far as you know, Nick, Nick is pretty present. And how does he do it? I have no idea. I don't know.

He just had another Santa Claus. I was like, how did Santa get to all those houses in one night? I know he's hosting like every goddamn show on network television. Yeah. He lives in some universe that has way more than 24 hours. And then he's like, I have no idea because I don't have that much time. I try. And that's not nearly that much. He's doing a lot. Are you aware of any conversations that Nick and Brie or I guess Nick in general, because I am fascinated about on this show, we talk about dating

relationships a lot. Yeah. And a big, we talk about dating relationships a lot. Yeah. And a big thing we talk about is upfront expectations. Like whatever you want in life, however you live, you can solve a lot of those problems by just saying,

listen, this is how I operate. This is what I like. Judge me, call me weird, whatever. I'm just letting you know before we get into anything, this is how it works. Yeah. I'm assuming there's a little bit of that

with Nick Cannon and these situations or pregnancies have you had any conversation with brie about like the the discussion that he had with brie about like getting pregnant and having a kid together i don't know the actual discussion but yeah it was it was um it was very clear that this is the way it's going to be. And she was okay with that. That's something that she actually wanted to. She didn't want to be married again. She's okay with it. She was game.

I mean, listen, there's a lot of women out there who would love to raise a child without the interference of some guy and and be financially supported and a lot for a lot of people that might be like an ideal situation yeah is it your opinion that when it came to like chelsea's uh brokers open that she kind of is a little shady what she did to brie you know chelsea is very opinionated and she is very direct. But in that situation, I mean, Brie already gets so much hate from the world and people are always commenting because they don't get it. And people are very judgmental. And she's got like a backbone. She's just like. Right. Yeah.

Yeah. So she can she can shrug it off, but she's kind of used to it. She's very strong. But still, when it's someone that is right there in front of you and you're working with, it's like to keep getting it. She's just like, stop. Do you think Chelsea can be a little self-righteous? I don't want to. Cough, if you guess.

What? No, I love Chelsea, actually. But I just think she's too opinionated. I mean, when it comes to someone else, she can have her own opinions. But that's fine. You don't always have to say it to the other person if you think it's going to hurt them. There's nothing. It's not going to change anything.

Like, if you're trying to do it to help somebody, then go ahead and say something to try to change the situation or help. She's not going to change anything. Like if you're trying to do it to help somebody, then go ahead and say something to, to try to change the situation or help. She's not going to help anything by saying that she's just, she's just attacking. She's not saying anything to be like constructive. She's not going to breathe like, Hey babe, like woman to woman.

I really care about you. I hear about you. And just like, have you considered X, Y, or Z? She's just more like, you're stupid.

I disagree with you. Yuck. While you're not here i'm gonna call your man like a manipulator or like the father of your child a manipulator like what do you think of like because so much of it you know it's reality and you show your relationship with romaine and everybody shows their relationships on the show so where do you guys kind of like draw that line of what it's fair to discuss about other people's personal lives and kind of what stays on and off the cameras you know i end up if there's something very very private and personal and i kind of know that that production's gonna want me to talk about it they hate me when i do

this uh i've been yelled at so many times but but but I call whichever cast member before and I'm like, hey, is there anything off limits like that? Because I know they're going to they're going to want us to talk about this. So I end up calling them just out of respect. So where I can touch on everything else. But but I'm not going to do something that's going to like really hurt them and embarrass them if they told me something in confidence. thing that's going to like really hurt them and embarrass them if they told me something in confidence do you think your peers uh give the same courtesy to everyone else or not um i'm not i i don't i don't know yeah i don't know what's your opinion i i haven't heard of of a lot of them doing that okay Okay. You're unaware if it happens.

I think Heather and I have talked about stuff before. You know, Chrishell. No, Chrishell actually called me and asked me about something before. Who's the most cutthroat? Like, who doesn't suffer any fools? Who is in it to win it for them? God, well, it used to be Christine. I would say, right now now I'd say Chelsea.

I know a lot of people say Chrishell right now. There's a lot of people that are saying that, but I just haven't had that experience with her. And so she's always been very respectful towards me. I've been respectful towards her. Yeah. It's one of like, you know, Chrishell is always. I mean, would you? It's interesting because like as know chris shell is always i mean would you it's interesting because like as an outsider i see it and you think everyone's a star but then

chris shell's kind of like the protagonist yeah yeah like and i'm assuming there's a you know a bit some competition you know like you know being on reality you know yeah everyone's like but i'm the star you know like are how do you feel about that are you comfortable with that i would imagine other people on the show might get annoyed by the idea that crichel might be considered by many to be the star and with being you know top dog if you will you have a target on your back just like on the bachelor you get a first impression rose or you know whatever everyone if you will you have a target on your back just like on the bachelor you get a first impression rose or you know whatever everyone's like oh fuck now everyone's gonna hate me that could be part of it yeah i mean where where people want to be in the limelight

people want to be the um like basically the star and and i think when cameras turn on everyone's defensive and trying to like make sure they look good and so somehow that amps up good conversations or fights or whatever it is because everyone's like just on edge kind of and and it just exasperates what's going on i think yeah i really don't care i think maybe that's why I'm always getting along with people because I'm like, I don't really get, we're all stars of selling sunset. So it's like, I don't need to compete with you. If it comes to real estate, I'll compete for a listing. You seem to have a healthy approach.

Like I'm still on this show. I'm still on as much as other people. I don't need to fight for if, what? I don't know if I'm standing in the very front of our our cast picture i'm like i don't care i'm just lucky for the opportunity who does care i don't know i love it when mary you know mary has a thought like just at the tip of her tongue the diplomat nicole seems like a highly intelligent person she is yeah she is very extreme and very thorough that's why she's a really good agent and and well until she came on selling sunset

hilarious to be around i mean because she's so extreme. She's a lot of fun. And she's self-aware. Yes. I mean, she knows she's extreme. She laughs about it. She knows. She knows. Yeah.

She's very aware of it. And she jokes around about it. And normally she's really, really fun and funny and just like just a good time. So my question of highly intelligent self-aware it didn't just happen she must have come in with some sort of plan right she's been around this show yeah not on the show for years she's been a highly successful agent at the oppa hind group watching you all film you know and so when she goted, I'm assuming that she thought about her storyline, thought about what role she wants to play,

thought about her character arc. Yeah. Like, why do you think she thought this would be the approach? You know, you guys lose Christine, you kind of lose your quote-unquote villain. Do you think she was like, you know what, fuck it.

You know, Christine was she was like you know what fuck it you know christine was a star you know you know i think it was really um she came in she thought because she works very very hard she is successful um but i think she came in just wanting to show like i'm a badass like i sell a lot of real estate and and and she's also very stubborn and she when she digs her heels in she this is the way she feels about that situation and when production totally they're like well if there's like this this thing talk about why um talk about that instance that you and chrishell had before so that that so that the audience will know like what the history was and so I think she just went into it telling her side of the story but she gets very passionate

about things I mean because she is an extremist so when when it wasn't coming across and this is just my opinion when when I wasn't responding and just saying, yes, that's the way it happened. Then she was trying to explain it more because she wanted, I think, the audience to know and viewers to know, like, this is what happened from her side. And I was like, honey, don't, nope, nope, don't do this. And I was like, honey, don't. Nope. Nope. Don't do this.

No pun intended. But it's almost as if Nicole, well, pun intended, is almost as if Nicole feels like she's taking crazy pills because no one can understand her point of view. Because to her, it's so obvious. Yeah. Yeah. And she's like a data driven shit talker. Like for her, it's like she's like, I'm going based off of facts. And so it seems like when that feels disputed she's like my very reality is being disputed as opposed to like a different view exactly yeah so she was yeah

exactly curious what you think because you know i've of all the cast members i suppose like you and chrishell the people i've gotten to know the most you love chrishell love you seems great i haven't got to meet nicole or anything like that. The storyline seemed fishy from Nicole. That all being said, the accusation from Chrishell about taking drugs. My read on the situation was, is that Chrishell felt like Nicole was coming on the show and then attacking her credibility. Yes. And to me, it felt like Rochelle bringing up the accusation of drugs

wasn't because she actually thought Nicole was on drugs. I think she wanted, in an almost kind of mean girl kind of way, to discredit her credibility by accusing her of being on drugs. Would you agree? I think so. Because I talked to Chrishell afterwards and they didn't show that. But I went to her room.

It was actually before we all got my before we got mic'd up. I was sneaking in. I thought you were about to say before we all got mushrooms. I was like, wouldn't that be a twist? No, I was like sneaking into their their rooms trying to like trying to get it calmed down so that it wouldn't escalate anymore i i was just like girl what are you doing i was like you can't say that that is insane you're you don't know that i was like why would you do that that was so below the bone she's like i know i just like but she was acting all weird and and the thing is like

that is nicole we actually have emojis or whatever those mean things are of the those inflatable dolls or things outside of like the car lot um and her and her husband are both super tall super lanky very skinny and the longest arms and legs you will ever see and so um and they're both when they talk she's always been like that when she talked and that's just her but chris shell also knows that because again like she said she has invited her over she's hung out with her for years um i mean not best friends with her but but she knows her and she knows like that nicole's very very animated and always has been so i think it was just a dig and christelle's already you know apologized

what did you make of nicole's decision to get a drug test afterwards because i think from her standpoint you know she made the point like we are business people like my brand has to do with like i i mean i was shocked by it and and i was saddened that she actually had to do that just to um to protect her reputation improve because once you throw an accusation out there especially in 2023 i mean yeah an accusation is just as bad as as um an actual fact on it because once you're, that's in people's heads. Yeah, people love an accusation. They're not so much worried

about the truth these days. Yeah. Because an accusation will spread like wildfire. It'll be front page. Yeah. And then, you know, whatever the truth is.

You're basically guilty that made you get accused. We live in a time, unfortunately, and we've said this on the show before, that people don't believe facts. They believe who they like the most. Yeah. It's really sad.

So I actually think it was sad she had to do that. But I think it was smart because she is, real estate is everything to her. And it means a lot to her. So if her reputation is damaged from this, she would be absolutely crushed. When you say Chrishell apologized, was that off-camera personal? Has she come clean, like, on the internet to say, just so everyone knows, I never thought it was Nicole was on drugs.

That was a low-character moment for me. I wish I didn't say that, yada, yada, yada. Or was it just like, hey, sorry, babe, I shouldn't have said that. I get very confused all the time because i am around all these people it's not just like when we're filming and did things happen in my private life like like in front of cameras yeah or not and then seven done filming yeah okay wow yeah so now i'm actually filming um down OC. So for selling on C?

Yeah, I'm doing some guest appearances down there. I thought I was done. How are you liking that? Well, I love OC. And I actually, because the real estate market is so slow in LA right now, that mansion taxes is like slowed everything down. Tell us about mansion taxes. Oh, so we hate them.

Especially on selling Sunset. Yeah. You're going to sell houses in the Valley again. Well, I live in the Valley. So I love it. I love it too. But anything $5 million and over, you have an additional 5.5% tax rate on it. And $10 million and over, you have an additional five and a half percent uh tax rate on it and and 10 million and over it's like almost six percent so people basically took their houses

off the market they're not putting them back on we there were sales i think in march but 180 or somewhere around their um homes over five million that sold when i mentioned like the you know it's around there um homes over five million that sold when i mentioned like the you know it's out here like that's not a mansion that's a thing like i i love my house and you know i paid a it's a lot of money for it but like what that house in wisconsin would be a literal mansion like you know and it's kind of crazy that five million in la unfortunately yeah it doesn't get you what you would think no no it does not and i mean it's you get a lot for it but um but yeah it's over and then so the number went down when it went into place march 31st the number went down to two homes sold over five million from to two. And so it's so slow right now with interest rates high

and with the mansion tax. So I'm going down to OC to start learning that market. I mean, I'm not moving down there, but I'm going to go down there and start learning that market down there a bit more. What do you think about the cast people from that show? What do you think? I like it.

What's his name, Tyler? Is it Tyler? I like that. I mean, I don't know them that well. I know Polly and, and then I'm helping Kayla out with a new listing of hers. So yeah, I,

I don't know them that well. They're all cool with me. Um, but when I've seen the show, I would not want to, I mean, I don't know. I'm not a drama person as you guys know.

And, and there is a lot going on down there. Yeah. Messy group. Yeah. Uh, I'm not a drama person, as you guys know, and there is a lot going on down there. Yeah. Messy group. Yeah. Any insight as to why Amanza unfollowed Rochelle? Oh, I have the whole scoop.

Yeah, I do. You're going to have to watch season seven for that one. Could you give us a little something? Who do you agree with? Pick a side, Mary. I can't. I love them both, and I think both of them have been right and wrong in this whole thing. Could you give us a little bit more?

I cannot. Netflix would kick my ass. I like my job. Who started it? That's also one that is very up in the air. I see both sides because I see when people do things and I see how things can get twisted. And they both in this situation thought they were doing something right. They didn't think they were doing something wrong. They thought that they were doing the right thing in this situation.

Things didn't work out so well. That's all I know. Okay. All right. Or all I'm going to say. Do you think Jason's going to marry you? I need my job. No, yeah.

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Not for a very long time. It would have to be. He won't even consider it until he's going to marry anyone? No. Not for a very long time. It would have to be. He won't even consider it until he's probably 60. Do you think it's a healthy relationship? He and Mary Lou? Yeah. Yeah, it is. I think the distance between them, because she has to go back and forth for work.

What's your favorite and least favorite thing about her? My favorite? I think she's very classy. favorite i think she's very classy um she's uh very very mature for her age and um and she makes him happy and i don't really have the least favorite she's she's a wonderful person okay yeah uh when jason went on vacation for three weeks yeah yeah how did you feel but like where do you fall you clearly have a loyalty to jason last time you're here you have a history with him you you have it seems like you have nothing but nice things to say about him but it from an outsider looking in he he seems to be he's he's not seem he doesn't seem to be super excited about ever admitting he's wrong um especially to people who work for him and

in summoning your position, who's running the office, do you find that to be incredibly frustrating at times? And how do you handle managing Jason's ego with the rest of the group? I think if we watch the show, because I guess I don't see Jason the way the the public sees him i don't know maybe i took it a different way what's the misconception then um but i feel like he does stuff for me too like if i am leaving or if i'm doing something we're just really good friends and and between our assistants and and him if i have like a listing or something going on and i have to leave town,

I'll just say, Jake, would you mind like helping out with this? Just make sure it's on track. Now I have my assistant. I have a full real estate assistant that does it. So I don't really need him, but he would always be there for me if I needed him to. So I feel like that's what he was doing in that moment. He didn't realize or when he when he's in love he is truly in a love bubble it's like the emojis with like little hearts in their eyes and he doesn't hear anything he's just like walking around like like with the little hearts in his eyes and so I don't think he was really thinking it through like how much work that was going to be because he knows when I do something, I typically just make it happen. I figure it out. And so I think that he thought that that's what it was going to be

because my husband was doing the penthouses anyway. He's like, no, just manage to make sure everything's running and keep in touch with the remain, make sure everything's done and do the staging and do this and and then with his other properties and then take care of all the agents. And then I saw my listings and my buyers. And then it was just it was a lot. And I was trying to do the embryo freezing and buy a house and all that stuff. And so it was a lot. And I don't think he was thinking about that. He was just thinking on the things he he gave me to do.'s like no you can handle that fine has jason ever come to you and said hey my bad i i maybe he had he's good okay he he can admit he's wrong oh

yeah yeah yeah he's actually very good we both are very good about that with each other we are not mad at each other for probably more than i would would say an hour. I mean, we've gotten in like yelling matches on the phone and it's always about work or a client. And it only takes like an hour where we're like, you're disrespectful, you're entitled, and like yelling back and forth. And I'm like, not talking to you anymore on this. Like, and hang up, he'll call me back.

I'm like, I said, I'm not talking. And so we'll do that. And then and then I would say within half an hour to an hour, he's like, I'm sorry, I just felt like, like, you were disrespecting me. I love you. I'm sorry. I was like, I know. I'm sorry, too. I didn't mean to, you know, hang up on you and yell at you. And so it takes it doesn't we're never mad at each other. So except you know we'll say stuff like that like where i'm like i'm not doing that you're dick like no like yeah like screw you i'm not doing it when it comes to the tv show yeah and what i'm very fascinated about selling sunset and or shows like say vanderpump are you watching are you familiar with anything going on

with sand no i have no idea what this is. I get Google alerts about like, um, about selling sunset and stuff to make sure I'm not missing something. But I keep seeing all that stuff and I have no clue what this, what's it called again? This Scandival. Scandival.

You gotta watch Mary. I've been, really? But I don't, is it a lot of drama? It's the best reality TV. Really? Oh, I'm sorry. And I've, as someone? But I don't, is it a lot of drama? It's the best reality TV. Really? In the history of TV.

No, I'm sorry. And as someone who's, you know, been a part of some really good reality TV. You hurt my feelings. I apologize. But like, this is next level. Really? Drama?

Drama. And just like, it's just so real and so personal. And there's just so many layers of just kind of relatability. Really? Yeah, it's... If you're looking for a good watch, I would recommend. Normally, reality

shows I don't normally watch, which it sounds weird that I'm on one and I don't really do it because there's so much drama. I don't like that. I'll watch reality as far as like, like home flipping shows and, and there's something about, I like love is blind.

You do. Yeah, I do. I do like that. What did you think of the last season? I loved it. Oh my God. I,

and I just went to a Netflix event and what was, what was his name? Brad. Brad. Yeah. That, oh my gosh, they're the cutest couple. And I saw, I saw Netflix event. And what was his name? Brad? Brad? Yeah. Oh, my gosh. They're the cutest couple. And I saw them.

I was like, I never do this. And most of the time, I don't even know who people are when I go. Because you could be the top person on a show. But I don't, first of all, have time to watch that much TV. And then also, I don't know what some of the reality shows are. Like, I watch Bridgerton and Queen Charlotte, stuff like that. But so I saw them, but I didn't know who they were. And I ran up to them.

I'm like, I'm sorry. I never do this. I love you guys. I'm so happy you guys are still together. You were like, it was so genuine. And so just like you could feel a real connection there. And they never got dirty with it they never got disrespected each other or even had to question it and even when they went up and got married

you know how most time they wait and and you can tell they're like either trying to decide or or trying to leave it hanging they weren't even doing that they were both like yes yes like dying to do it i was like i love that i love you guys did you get to meet chelsea and kwame yes i did what is your what do they like each other they were there together i don't know like i thought they walked in together i didn't really talk to them that much i i talked to them individually but he was walking around um he was walking around talking to people and she was sitting down she was sitting down with the um i forget her name but with one of the other girls gotcha yeah okay anyway the reason why i brought that up in the first place is like um

well it's just that like you kind of earlier, just like you're filming a TV show about your literal life and you are in life a very successful real estate agent who are running an office, because I have to assume there are some decisions that are real estate decisions. And then there are some decisions that are more selling sunset decisions. Yeah. Yeah. How do you manage that? And then how do you manage the expectations of the cast people? And, oh, here's a way I can ask. From The Bachelor, we have this trope, and the trope is, who's there for the right reasons? The right reasons being love on The Bachelor. Right.

Selling Sunset, right reasons being real estate, I would assume. So who's there for the right reasons? And who's there more for fame and glory? I'm there for the right reasons? And who's there more for fame and glory? I'm there for the right reasons. We know that very well. Jason's there for the right reasons. I'm not going to answer that, but it does get... But there are people who maybe aren't have the same motives, would you say? Some people are not as motivated in real estate. It's not their end all be all,

like, like thing. And with Selling Sunset being a perk, in my opinion, I mean, it's a, the show isn't forever and it's not,

I wish it could be, but reality is, it's not going to last forever. I mean, seven seasons is incredible I know just that I know I'm told

I mean I think this is true because it was Netflix I believe that actually told us this maybe someone else passed us already

but season eight if we get picked up for season eight will be the longest running reality or the longest running show ever on Netflix wow yeah Queer Eye just came out and I think

they're right around where you're at did they hit 8? did we get they're around is it 7 or 8? 6, 7 or 8 something you guys are very close yeah okay see this is where I'm competitive I'm competitive.

I'm like, oh, please be seven so we can hit eight first. It appears. They're on seven. They're on seven. Oh, then if ours hasn't come out yet. Oh, I bet they're able to come out before. Okay. But I think they've also been around longer. Oh, they've been around a lot longer.

Yeah. Yeah. You're on pace, it sounds like, to pass that. Hopefully. Okay. You seem obviously very level-headed about all this. For the people who are more real estate-driven than show-driven, do they get more upset?

Like, does that create a lot of the drama? Like, is that part of the reason that Nicole and Chrishell got into it? Yes, probably. Yeah, I think so. Because, well, I think it's Nicole's personality anyway. But to just be very like she takes her clients and her work seriously. And she's very prideful of that. And so I think she's fighting for just recognition of her work.

That was just a weird situation with it was like intertwined. But but I think that, yeah, I think if something happens, I do get frustrated with the girls because that is a brokerage reputation that we worked very, very hard to to, you know, build and and have have a luxury brand with good agents. And when I see catfighting and drug accusations and lawsuits, I'm like, what are you guys doing? This makes us all look bad. This is not making us look like a luxury agency. I mean, this is terrible. So I do get upset about it, but I'm also not going to get in to the mud with them on it. I mean, because then how am I how am I doing anything any better? commission you need to trust and respect and and think that your agents are above board yes and mature and yeah i guess i if i would i i suppose i'd be if i was watching this show i'd be like i don't know if i want some of these people like running the running my transaction here like uh yeah you definitely can put yourself there's a balancing act for sure. Yeah. And I think that's why when a lot of times people criticize about the way I manage and stuff, but I'm not going to get in the dirt with them.

I'm also not a kindergarten teacher. I'm not a therapist. I am a real estate manager and I'm managing and helping with real estate transactions and answering questions. And if they need something, going to the houses, helping them comp a property, doing stuff like that. I didn't know I was going to be mediating catfights. And that's not what I signed up for. That's not what our brokerage is supposed to be about. So when I would sit there, I'm like, just stop. Because I'm like, they're grown adults. I mean, I can't physically make them stop without like tying them down or something like and putting duct tape on their mouth. I mean, they're adults. They're the ones that are going to say and do whatever they want. And unfortunately, at the end of the day, their actions also

reflect back on the whole brokerage, not just on them. As a director of the office, if you were giving like a one-on-one coaching opportunity you know like you know you do with your employees like what are areas of improvement when it comes to being a real estate agent would you like to see emma make emma yeah um like what what coaching notes would you give her if this show well i know for this show but this is also she wouldn't normally i don't think wear such short um short skirts and stuff like that but on this show everyone like amps it up a bit like oh you know steps it up like she couldn't move oh my gosh yeah with the skirt i have no yeah i i'm always surprised because i'm not in every scene with them.

And when I see it and I'm like, what was that? I was like, how in the world did she think she was going to move in that? But, you know, it makes a good show. That's your only note? For Emma. Yeah, I love Emma. I mean, I think. I would say.

I love Amanda, but I might sit her down and say, hey, listen, you know, I would love you to work on X, Y or Z. Like a compliment sandwich situation where you're like, you're so good at this. I would love to see you push yourself more in this area. But a reminder, you're also so good at this. Like, oh, I guess I don't really I don't really have I have I would compliment sandwich some of the other people, but I don't really have... I would compliment sandwich some of the other people, but I don't really have much criticism for Emma.

Who would you compliment sandwich? I'm going to get myself in trouble, man. No. Yeah. Probably Chelsea. I think i really risk i really respect her directness and and and honesty however she really needs to just um stay out of other people's personal business and not try to hurt people and stop coming after my job.

That's right. Yeah. I forgot about that. Yeah. And then, but she is, she's also ambitious. So I do respect that side of her too so i forgive her ambition i forgive her for trying to come after my job but i don't feel she would be the right personality to be a manager because she's so opinionated and you can't throw your personal

opinions and lifestyle onto your employees. Yeah. And get in fights with them about it. She would almost maybe create a bigger divide in the office. Yeah. That's my opinion. And no disrespect to Chelsea. No, I love Chelsea.

Given your relationship with Jason, it seems laughable that she would come for your job. Because it seems like you're on pretty solid footing with the boss like you've worked for so long yeah i was i was pretty surprised when i when i saw the show i was like that's bold okay i was like i did not know that that happened no so you you realized that chelsea was coming for your job when we found out Chelsea was coming for your job. So it is. Damn. Did you like, did you in your mind, were you like, how would I address this with her?

Like what kind of went through your, like the first time you addressed that with her? I haven't really, I mean, she didn't get my job though. I mean, I know what happened. You didn't like reach out to her or sit her down and be like, so? No, you know, I watch it. or sit her down and be like, so? No, you know, I watch it. If it's something big enough, I like to sit with my emotions and thoughts before I go to somebody with them.

I'm not going to just call her up. How mature of you. Bitch. I mean, because I'm like, okay, there's part of it where, you know, if she thought I wasn't doing a good job, I don't know if she was amping stuff up and joking or or if she really is because she's she's i don't think she would turn it down no i

don't think she would turn it down but i think i i don't know how much of it was kind of amped up so i i just want to think about it for a while i probably won't even say anything because it doesn't really matter at the end of the day a lot of your peers when they get say caught in the fire blame it on tv like i'll just do it for the show well i do hear that a lot but yeah um but i mean i think i like i think a lot of times it's true um but sometimes sometimes it could be a cop-out okay i'm curious in watching back and seeing chris shell's side of the story where she felt like after her breakup with jason like that there'd been some distance in your friendship yeah what's kind of your take on that period of time and also one of the things

chris shell mentioned was like not wanting to meet g who we have the pleasure of meeting so can you kind of speak to that whole process and where you're at now well that part was not true i i have met i met g many times i was just at their house um we're we're friends um i think what she was talking about is when they break up and you're in such a tight group like we are and it's so intertwined it made it very very difficult because if we're gonna go out it's like you have to pick and choose which one you're going to invite you can't you can't just hang out with both of your friends and so you have to like take turns and so you split you lose half the time with the person that you would normally get and then i was actually dealing with a personal like family emergency kind of situation at that same time um i'm sorry yeah thank you but um and then i was

uh i think that's when i was also doing embryo freezing i think it was either right before after that so there was it was very busy and then she uh went to mexico with emma and then she and she was traveling a lot and then romaine and i came back we started traveling and then she and she was traveling a lot. And then Romaine and I came back. We started traveling. And then she met G. And so it was like there was this time period where it wasn't like we were intentionally not seeing each other or at least I wasn't intentionally not seeing her. I did see her multiple times, but it just was not to the extent of what we used to hang out and how much we used to talk. And I didn't really realize that. So I called her even the other day after I watched the show. I was like, babe, I'm so sorry if you felt this way. I'm sorry. I did not mean to ever make you feel like that. I thought that we were both just doing our own things because I was busy. And when I get busy and I'm in my head, I'm not that kind of friend that checks in and calls every day.

It's like, how are you? What are you wearing today? What'd you eat? I just don't. I'm busy. If there's something that's going on, I'm like, hey, let's hang. Or if there's something wrong and someone's upset or there's something, call me, tell me. I will drop everything and be right there. If you just want to hang, let me know if you feel like we're not. But I'm just not one to like FaceTime every day, text every day, just to chit chat. I talk and talk and talk all day long. When I'm done, I just want silence. I just want to, if I have downtime, I just want to veg out, turn on a good show and just zone out. Otherwise, you know, I'm doing stuff around the house. I'm dealing with whatever personal stuff.

And so I'm just not a chit chatter normally. Yeah. I'm a loner kind of when I get home. I'm a homebody and I don't like going. I really don't like going out

just like to party at a lounge and stuff. I'm like, you guys can come to my house. I was like, I'm cool. I'll throw, I'll do a barbecue,

but I don't really want to just. Where is your relationship with Nicole, Stan, now? We're friends. We're friends, yeah. We talked throughout that. Even when we were disagreeing on that, I would call her and I'm like, babe, you're putting me in a very difficult position right now.

I was like, I love you so much, but you're making this very hard on me. I'm frustrated. And she's like, I get it. She's like me i'm frustrated and and she's like i get it she's like i'm frustrated too she's like but we're good right i was like we'll always be good i'll always love you but please just let this be squashed i was like i don't want this i love chris i'll do so um like i don't want are they they don't seem to be no they're not okay do you think they'll ever get to a point? No.

What would need to happen? Nothing. It's not even possible. Who hates the other person more? I think Rochelle's more stubborn. When she, well, I don't know if stubborn, not in a negative way, but if she puts up a wall, you're not breaking that wall down. Once you cross her, she's done. She's's like she will have nothing to do with you it's like going back is not i i've never

seen that wall be broken down but it's just a it's just a a protective like um a kind of thing i think if she's been burned in the past, she knows she's like not getting it again. So, I mean, I understand. I understand Chrishell pretty well, I think. You know, it takes a while for her to let her guard down when she first meets people. And for the most part, I'm the same way. I don't just go and hang out and start talking, telling my life story to some brain limp, like my friend's new girlfriend that he's been dating for a week i'm like i'm not gonna tell you deep dark secrets i don't trust you yeah i can't i don't imagine they would ever be like super tight but you don't think there's a world where

one of them might say hey listen like we obviously aren't best friends we maybe don't even say eye to eye but like coexist yeah i don't i i don't have a hatred towards like just right now there seems to be an active hatred like they are both investing their own emotional energy to really dislike the other and i think there's that and then there's just accepting that like we're just never going to be best friends, but we can coexist and whatevs. I think the digs have to stop first from both sides. They have to stop hitting below the belt,

stop doing the little jabs with whatever, and then they will be able to just coexist without so much animosity but after whatever season six there's just still been stuff going on here and there i mean they tried but then one of the there's something that comes up and i think with press you probably know this like with press too you can read a headline you think you're getting over it and then the show comes out and you've got all these headlines and you see something and and you're like okay all right like you said this well usually what happens and then and it's like the person didn't even say it exactly well usually that's

what i'm saying usually what happens is you get some pulled quote from like a podcast or some sort of interview and the headline is you, something that's pretty out of context. Oh yeah. Or just like a fraction of what it actually is. And I mean, shit, I have this happen to me all the time. You know,

we talk about so many shows and we share a lot of strong opinions. Yeah. And then, you know, some fan of someone else would be like, did you hear what Nick or so-and-so said to you on the vile files? And then you know some fan of someone else would be like did you hear what nick or so-and-so said to you in the vile files and you know we might like have a critique yeah followed up by like but like they're awesome and we see this and we understand but they have no idea

or that and they're just like you know and they they will read the headline that some fan will send them and then like form their entire opinion about what was said without ever going back and listening or reading the article that happens all the fucking time oh yeah it does like when i've read stuff before and and at least when i see something that's like what the hell i was like what is going on and so i read it i'm like there was nothing about that nothing about it in the in the actual article and but i think you just read it and you're like all right fuck you then it's like and then you lash back and and it's like no i i learned that i mean that used to i would get fans

being like did you hear what so-and-so said to you and then you get all rattled and then like you go back and look and be like what what like that wasn't where do they get that oh yeah and uh yeah so i just i don't even pay attention now just because i assume it's yeah it's it's a fraction of of the stuff that goes out there it's like you do one interview and then people will take stuff from that and then they get stuff wrong then people take it from that and then there's like 20 news outlets that are all printing completely different things based on one that i did and i'm like okay well first of all like there are so many things even just me personally they they have like

uh where i'm from my age my son romaine i'm i'm apparently still dating romaine and and we don't even live together yet and and that's weird yeah i'm from north dakota or south dakota i'm uh 39 and and like there's all these different facts and they change all the time and i'm like don't you have to back check i don't think they do anymore i really well that's obvious now you would think they should or yeah they'll just or they'll create a new story like i nally and i did the lottner's podcast okay and we were just talking about a relationship and not you know it was kind of a disappointing because in that podcast now he's being very vulnerable about some trauma she experienced in the past and and then we kind of told this anecdotal story about how we met which

i've actually told the story before i told on the show about how she's listening to my dms and i don't think you can be too safe on the internet so i i talked about how like when i i carded her the first time like we've facetimed together and it was i card I Carter because like catfishing. Yeah. Catfishing is a real thing. And, you know, because there's an age, you know, I'm a bit older than Natalie. Everyone made it seem like I was making sure she was like a legal age and shit like that. And I'm like, that's not why I fucking Carter. I just want to make sure that she was an actual fucking person.

Yes. And not like John from like North Dakota. Right. You know, and they turn into some whole other thing and it was like super upsetting and like and it was all because of the headlines yeah that they they they put out there and and you know and it was that was real shitty just because the episode was about it was something important something personal and like and it kind of turned into some of this gross salacious thing i mean mean, yeah, it was kind of frustrating,

but the world we live in, unfortunately. It is, yeah. You have been open and vulnerable about you experiencing miscarriage. Yeah. I'm so sorry to hear about that. Thank you. You know, we have obviously a lot of women who listen to the show.

That's a very vulnerable thing to happen. What is that experience? I mean, I would assume difficult and and hard but with you and romaine has that in some ways brought you closer together how is a couple have you guys managed this obviously very um you know emotional situation and yeah like going forward how have you guys dealt with something like that that can be so difficult and be so challenging? You've mentioned several times in this interview about freezing embryos and things like that. What's that been like for you and how have you guys handled that as a couple? more difficult than I thought it was going to be. I don't really know what happened. I never even I knew it was a possibility. And I, I did not let myself believe it. I was just like, Nope, power of positive thinking, putting it out there can be successful, happy. And I really didn't even allow myself to think that it could happen. And so it was even more shocking. And unfortunately, we found out at the doctors,

because I went in for another ultrasound. So it wasn't like I just had a spontaneous miscarriage. like I just had a spontaneous miscarriage I went in and and they told me that like uh the baby had stopped growing from basically from the last appointment um so it'd been like a couple weeks um before so I was just carrying around like like the baby and and so they were like we have to we have to do a DNC. And and so that was just. It was it was heartbreaking and Romaine didn't understand what was going on right then, what that meant that it wasn't like that it stopped growing. He was like, OK, so how do we get it growing? Like and I was like, baby, no, like. The baby died like it did, like and he was like and trying to tell him that, like I could see just like the confusion I'm like how do I say this like I was just in shock I didn't process it um in the beginning it took me a while to be able to talk about it um it was just a lot more painful

than I thought and then um and then I didn't stop of course I I just throw myself into work and so I was still like I think two days after I um I was supposed to have the DNC but end up naturally miscarrying on that morning so I was like just leave me alone I'm just staying at home I'm not coming in I'm just gonna do it naturally and it ended up turning septic and so I had to go in for surgery um because I guess like everything didn't cut like whatever naturally and and so but I kept going and I kept working it was like two days later I presented an award at like um for like a beauty award like a thing and then I went to Cabo for filming and then we got back and I was doing my uh selling sunset cashew like the one that you see up there and so I was like I was that day took everything I had um to to just be there

because I was literally shaking I just thought I was run down and and I was I just wasn't doing well and just needed rest because I've been go go go go go and yeah so I just started shaking and and just sweating but like just I mean full-on like almost like spasming almost and they were like girl you you do not look good you need to go home but I'm trying to do all those interviews for it. And like in the photo shoot, I'm like, give me a second. And I'm shaking. I'm like, one, two, three. And I try to like stand and like hold myself from shaking. And I'm like, okay. And I wrap up in a blanket. And it was so brutal. And then I found out the next day that I called, I had my assistant call my doctor and be like, what is going on? And she's like, oh, my God, get her in now or take her to the ER.

And so she was like, it's really, really dangerous. Like you can die from it, I guess. And so she wanted me to go in right away. And so, yeah, I had to go in for surgery. Well, I'm sorry you had to experience that. Yeah, it sucked. But, you know, I'm over it now. I kind of stayed i i hid away

and processed work from home for i don't know for about a month or so um just to not have people ever like that did no conflict and they're being sweet but that's one of the things when you're when you're going through something and still emotional. And I know that people are trying and they really do feel the fact, they're like, oh, I'm so sorry, I'm so sorry. And then you're trying to get your mind off of it, like to just get through the day. And then they say it and you're like, thank you.

But so it's like, no, I don't want to cry. I don't want to. And I would just, you know, I had my days where i all i did was cry and then and some days i'm like nope we're not doing this today we're moving forward there's a light at the end of the tunnel it happens to so many people i'm not the only one be a big girl move on how's romaine how about how's my romaine been with all of it he's the most supportive guy ever like he he, I'm so lucky.

He's like that every single day, but especially in this situation, I couldn't have asked for a more supportive and loving husband. He's been awesome. How do you find the balance? Cause like with all of my friends who have had fertility struggles,

like it's just this like deeply isolating and challenging experience and it can go on for so long and it requires so much mental stamina. How do you find the balance between like having hope while also not like kind of maintaining expectations to not have this crushing disappointment be too frequent? I'm still working on that. Yeah, I I'm trying to decide right now because when we did the embryo freezing, it was not successful the first time. And then the second time we went through half of it and I had to cancel for the Palm Springs

trip and then got pregnant naturally. And so then I'm looking at it now like I don't want to go through that again, which is not I mean, not that that's actually going to happen. But I think that the better outcome would be if we just did try another round of embryo freezing. So we know that we have good embryos first instead of just winging it and trying, hoping. Because at my age, I mean, I'm 42. And so the chances go down.

And the longer we try, the less eggs and quality it's going to be. So I don't know. I'm trying to make that decision. And we've been so busy. I haven't had time just to go do the IVF, which is, I think, what the smartest decision is. But we just don't have the time right now. So maybe July when we're back in town. Okay.

Yeah. Try not to put too much pressure on myself and stress myself out about it because that's not going to help anything. Do you have any fun summer plans lined up for you going on a girl's trip with like nicole will be but there um we used to go every year to with a couple other girls that aren't on the show um to tulum and then uh i am going to vancouver but that's that's kind of a work thing and then romaine's birthday is on the 18th. He's going to be 30, like the 30th of June. And so I don't know how long until this comes out,

so I can't say because it's a surprise if he hears it. Yeah, it comes out next Tuesday. Okay, then I can't say where, but you guys will see it on social media or something, whatever. But we're planning a big 30th birthday party for him. And then we're taking his parents to Italy. So his mom has something coming up, a medical thing coming up. So we want to make sure that before she goes in for that, we get to spend a lot of time with her. And it's been about a year or so since we've actually, a year and a half since

we've been back there. He FaceTimes them every day, but, or not every day. Three times a week. Three times a week. They're pretty good. Yeah. Three times a week? He is a good, yeah. His family's very, very close and he loves his mom dearly.

He FaceTimes her all the time, but she's lovely. I love his family. That's awesome. Yeah. It'll be a fun trip. So we're going to Italy, to Florence. Fun. Yeah. That's awesome. Yeah. It'll be a fun trip. So we're going to Italy, to Florence. Fun. Yeah.

That's exciting. Yeah. Mary, I feel like we could talk for hours. This has been so fun. Thank you for being such a delight as always. You're welcome back anytime. Congratulations on all your success.

Thank you. And thank you for sharing some fun, selling sunset tea. We're excited to see season seven. It sounds like it's going to be. It's going to be good too. A messy, messy season. We love Matt. We're excited to see season seven. It sounds like it's going to be It's going to be good too. a messy, messy season. We love a mess.

I know. We love watching a mess. It keeps happening so I guess that's why we keep getting renewed. Yeah. Do you think it just well actually one more question. Do you think it's

you know when you said you started this interview being like oh we thought there was going to be no drama. Do you feel like there's like do you think it just comes out naturally or do you think there are people who are just like felt like, well, Christine left and I want to take up the mantle of like they saw an opportunity for that role? Do you think it is?

It's happening. It's happening naturally. I'm like, I'm back here watching it from the sidelines. And I'm like, where did that come from and and both people are like it's organic like i'm watching both of them like the fuck like yeah like and they're both like like not expecting whatever it was like and and it's happening organically but again again, I think everybody is kind of just trying to defend themselves more. So and then when we talk to press and like the issues never die. So it keeps snowballing into other things because, you know, after you watch it, you find out stuff that you didn't know before.

And then you're doing press and then it digs up the old wounds from stuff you didn't know about. And then whatever the person says is offensive so that stirs the pot and it just keeps going and so and then new stuff happens so i don't know all right it's a shit show well we love a shit show mary can you please let my audience know where they can find you follow you anything you want to plug or promote please do so sure yeah uh you can find me on social media instagram uh the mary bonet thing on tiktok too um and then yeah i've got i've got links to a bunch of other things on there too for my handbag line and and a couple other things i'm working on amazing yeah i'll add those to it when I can. Well, great to see you're always welcome back.

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