The Viall Files - E594 Vanderpump Reunion - Final Thoughts

Episode Date: June 8, 2023

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Going Deeper Edition! At the beginning of the episode, we are joined by our Pop Culture Correspondent Natalie Joy to talk about recent pop culture headlines, such as a woman who hired a hitman on the dark web to kill the new wife of a man she matched with on a dating site.  Then, we get into the Vanderpump Reunion Finale. What did we think of the last five minutes, Tom saying that Ariana wore a T-Shirt when they hooked up, Raquel offering to be in a throuple with Ariana and Sandoval… the household is ready to offer their opinions. We finally have a Sweating the Wedding caller who needs help deciding who to walk her down the aisle - her dad or her step-dad. We encourage her to make a decision based on what she wants to do, rather than her mother.  “Raquel apologized for lying, but not her actions.”  Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes. Join us for our new LIVE show on Thursdays at 9PM ET/6PM PT on Amp, available in the Apple app store. Android User? Listen here: https://www.onamp.com/  To Order Nick’s Book Go To: http://www.viallfiles.com  If you would like to get some texting advice on Office Hours send an email to [e-mail] with “Texting Office Hours” in the subject line! To advertise on the show, contact [e-mail] or visit https://www.advertisecast.com/TheViallFiles  THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: Fast Growing Trees - Go to http://www.FastGrowingTrees.com/VIALL NOW to get 15% off your entire order. Paramount - Paramount Plus. Stream Now.  Rocket Money - Cancel unwanted subscriptions – and manage your expenses the easy way – by going to http://www.RocketMoney.com/VIALL. Manscaped - Get 20% + free shipping with the code VIALL at http://www.Manscaped.com.  Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @nnataliejjoy @alison.vandam @liffordthebigreddog @dereklanerussell @genevievegoodman 

what's going on everybody welcome back to a new and exciting and special episode of the vile files going deeper edition all things vanderpump reunion finale it's finally out Special episode of the Vile Files Going Deeper edition. All things Vanderpump reunion finale. It's finally out. We finally got to see it. We will have a lot to get into to break down the reunion. Certainly just a lot to dissect. We are all here ready to get into it.

And I don't know. I don't know what you all think about the reveal, people listening. But to no surprise, I don't think it was. I think we were all hoping for something a lot juicier but whatever still a wild wild episode what do we have to get into before we get to to vanderpump what's going on by the way it's uh it's the households here ali amanda and derek it's it's been a long long day and our pop culture correspondent ali joy is with us as well. Why don't you introduce Kiki? The house dog?

Yeah. Yeah, Kiki, house dog, household. Yeah, I'm sorry. I apologize. Allie, Amanda, Derek, and Kiki. Here we go. Oh, she went right for the kiss. A little make out.

Oh, my God. She's taking on a date first. I know. I'm engaged. What do we have to get into before we get to the reunion? Well, a woman on the dark web, Natalie, our pop culture correspondent, made me aware of this story. Yes, I'm aware. It's wild.

So a woman paid a hitman to kill the wife of someone she matched with on like a dating site. It's so bizarre. And can you bring the picture up of this woman? She looks like they're going to make Her name is literally Melody. They're actually

they're absolutely going to make like a lifetime movie about this. Melody Sasser was arrested May 18th and is being held in custody on probable cause

that she allegedly attempted murder for hire. She is accused of transferring about $10,000 in Bitcoin to a site named Online Killers Market in exchange for the murder of the wife of the man she met on a dating site. Wait, the site was called Online Killers Market? Yeah. Terrifying to me.

She just Googled, like, online killers. And she didn't think that maybe, you know, the FBI, it might be. Watching that one sister was obviously not in her right mind. Well, also, what is the Web design like for a Web site like that? Like, do they have a do they have an about us like an FAQ section? Like what? I'm so I've never been on the dark web. Is that pink hair dye? Is her hair dyed pink? No, I don't think so.

She's an environmental. Well, she just looks so she looks so it's like blonde hair. Can't she look like the friendliest librarian at your school? She's a beautiful smile. I think there's some pink hair. There's some. I'm just saying the pink hair could be a sign of some rebelliousness. I don't know.

Not that everyone who has pink hair is about to hire someone to kill their husband. I'm not saying. Splitting hairs here. She just looks like she's running the... Pilot gives back. The bake sale. The bake sale. She looks like she's running the bake sale.

The church bake sale. She looks like she just said, no, you can go ahead if you have to go more than me in the bathroom line, like to a stranger. Yes. She let someone cut her in the longest TSA line. Yeah. Wait, is that her mugshot? Yeah. No pink hairSA line. Yeah. Wait, is that her mugshot? Yeah.

No pink hair neck. But does look scary when not smiling. Well, I don't know if that's a mugshot. She's against a brick wall. That looks like a mugshot. It's definitely a mugshot. You don't take a mugshot in front of a brick wall. Anyway, read the story.

The story is wild. It's ridiculous. Sasser and the man she met had become hiking friends, according to the complaint. But when Sasser's match revealed he was moving out of state with the woman he planned to marry, Sasser allegedly turned to the dark web, the complaint said. Under the pseudonym Cat Tree, Sasser allegedly posted her hit order on the website, authorities said. Quote, it needs to seem random or an accident or plant drugs. Do not want a long investigation. How inconvenient that would be for her.

Yeah. Yeah, I'd rather not. It's also like, what was your plan, girl? That was her plan to have him killed. That was her plan. And then like at the funeral, just be like, I want to be there for you through this loss. Yeah.

I guess. Slide back in. Go on, go on. So Sasser had also showed up unannounced to the couple's home in Alabama in the fall of 2022, authorities said. I hope you both fall off a cliff and die, Sasser allegedly told the pair after learning the pair's plans to wed, according to the complaint. that time the soon-to-be wife of the man she'd matched with reported that both sides of her car had been gashed by an unknown perpetrator the woman had also been receiving threatening calls from untraceable numbers authority added and then she's telling the hitman to make it look subtle like bitch come on i don't want a long investigation i know that i have been like in the past have you made any enemies recently anyone said they want you to die? Yeah. And so

she was like messaging the hitman like telling them like everything that she knew about this woman's routine and was like she went for a two mile walk today by herself. She was stalking her on a fitness app. Nuts. This woman was going in deep. She was all in. This is not like a moment of

like sheer like losing her mind and like. Do we think she was dickmatized or just hikematized what a special dick endorphins you know maybe kind of like an oxytocin situation of like you're always hiking but like i get being jealous and maybe i i even get like having a day where you say something like, I hope you two fall off a cliff, you know, maybe. But the most insane part is that. The follow through. She followed up.

Yeah, she follows up with them. She says, I've waited for two months and 11 days and the job is not complete. This is her message to the Olivia Sasson. She's like, I want to speak to a manager. Literally. Of online killing market. And it would be done in a week. The job is still not done does

it need to be assigned to someone else will it be done period what is the delay period when will it be done she wanted to speak to a manager she's literally like bringing karen energy to this wild wild really truly wild story this is a such a normal looking person like seemingly normal like a gymnasium in this photo if she could be a killer anyone could be a killer i would love to hear her uh by the story yeah her defense you know is she gonna plead not guilty is she gonna plead guilty and is she gonna be like listen this is what I need

she's like you don't understand this other bitch sucked you know like what is she gonna say I need this she seems so calm about this I need this to be on Crime and Network

and I need to be able to watch it like I watched Johnny and Amber I wanna see this bitch in court make it public make it public but it's crazy

she's from Knoxville, Tennessee she's from Knoxville, Tennessee. She's from Knoxville, Tennessee. And she drove all the way to Alabama, which is like, hell of a drive, to go to their front door and confront the two

to then say, I hope you fall off a cliff and die. Man. Babe was making moves. Has there ever been something Melody. that makes it more clear you are not friends

with the person you want to date like they are we're not friends when like they were hiking together like friends like this was insane like they should have like i feel like this is in defense of being like cut off your situationship immediately obviously there's other things going on this woman is deranged in some sense and i hope she heals but like whatever the hell happened it like definitely like was spurred by the fact that she kept this person in her life and kept obsessing about him yeah do we have a picture of the guy dickmatized yeah

I bet he's gonna be the most astoundingly average looking American man you've ever seen no it's right there there's a picture it looks that man 13 year old boy no no no the related content she's a picture of her hiking next to yeah there's a small photo. Is that him or the hitman?

I assume it's not the hitman. I don't think a hitman exists. I think... I think she got that on the dark web. Yeah. His name is David Wallace. That's him. David Wallace from The Office?

Like the CFO of Dunder Mifflin? That's the guy she was willing to kill for? Nick. Oh, he looks very kind. He does look really cute. True. But their relationship soured in 2022 when Wallace left for Alabama

and his then fiance, Jennifer. Listen, I'm also in connection with this. I am on TikTok4U page of women who are like getting into cars with hitmans but like aren't actually hitmans they are the fbi and they're like recording the conversation and these women are like i want to kill my husband because i want the like insurance money is it just women wanting to kill their husbands i don't know i the only ones i've seen are women and they like get into the car and the guy's like, all right, well, if I do this,

this is our last conversation. I'm going to do it next week. So are you sure you want to do this? And they're like, yes, yes, I'm sure. I'm sure. Why you haven't not shown me this? But then it's fake and it's not a real hitman. Are you taking notes? No, would never.

No, honey, I love you. But they're obviously not real hitmen and so then they like they arrest the woman and she's in like the invest the interrogation room and they're like you wanted to and she's like no no it wasn't me it was the hitman she's like can i just see my husband and then she sees the husband he's like no literally fuck you like you were trying to murder me and it's like the way that she asked them to do it like she goes into so much detail with this random hitman that's not even a hitman that's what i'm saying it's the detail it's just when you're writing them and they're just like you know if you they're gonna be running here

at what point do you say do i really want to do this like at what point are you thinking this is nuts this has got a lot of control. I'll just move on. I'll just move on. This woman on TikTok is like, please do it fast. I don't want him to suffer. I don't want, can you just, I don't know, maybe just shoot him in the head. Does that go fast? And the hitman's like, I don't want to do a gun because the neighbors can hear.

He's like, could you strangle it? Is a strangulation fast? She's asking all these questions of how to murder her husband. Like she's buying a car. Like four-wheel drive? Yeah. What options does it come with? And does the roof come?

Does the sunroof? Or no? Holy shit. God. Yeah. So bitches be crazy out here. Wow. Get out of your unhappy relationships.

Crazy. Just file for divorce, babe. Babe. Babe. We don't need to kill. I know paperwork sucks, but you're going to do a lot more when you go to court. I'll be honest with you. Never been.

I did tour facility once. Why? I was arrested for shoplifting when I was like 13. Actually, I didn't even. Okay. I was friends with the wrong people. And my mom kept being like, these girls, you're friends with the wrong people. And I was like, literally, mom, I'm just trying to live my life like leave me alone and I kept hanging out with them and then we're in Dillard's I think I'm banned from Dillard's because of it and I was with the two girls and they were like um can you put this in your bag for me I was like no no I don't I don't want anything no no no it's for me it's for me and I was like okay and so I put their miss Me jeans, which are like $100 jeans in my bag.

We go to walk out. Everyone in the store is staring at us as we're walking out. We get outside. The manager's like, excuse me, ladies, can you come back in for a second? And we're like, oh, yeah, sure. One girl throws her bag into the bushes. We walk inside. The other girl throws her bag into an aisle.

So I'm the only one holding the bag. We get into the back room. There's three cops in there. And I immediately start sobbing. I'm like, I'm supposed to go to New York. I'm supposed to be a model. I can't go to jail. And they bring in the bags that the girls threw. The cops then walk us through the entire mall. And there is nothing to do in Auburn, Alabama. The only thing to do is go to the mall. So I'm seeing the preacher, my principal, like my grandma's best friend, like walking through in handcuffs. Oh, 13 years old, get taken to the jail. They call my mom. My mom has come pick me up. And I have to do like community service. I have to write my mom a letter, read it to the court. I have to do like some course and have to tour a facility because I could have gone there. God damn. Wow. So don't steal.

Words to live by. All you 13 year olds out there. Or just in general. Yeah. Yeah. It could have been a lot worse. And if your friends, if you're. Yeah.

If your mom is like, hey, friends are the wrong people. You should probably listen because they probably know. Yeah. So. Wild times. Wild times. Speaking of wild times, Pete Davidson's on the phone. Oh my. friends are the wrong people you should probably listen because they probably know yeah so wild times speaking of wild times pete davidson's on the phone oh my so i love pete davidson now for anybody who's not aware pete davidson recently bought a dog from a breeder pita then spoke out against that uh saying you know there's so many like dogs in need like this is unethical

was very upset with his decision. He then left a voicemail for PETA. And in this voicemail, he starts off by being like, first of all, I'm allergic. So I have specific needs. He's like, hey, guys. It's Pete Davidson. This is Pete Davidson. Yeah.

And then he like mentions the specific PETA employee who released the statement. And then he starts by being like, you know, I'm allergic. That's why I did this. Like, maybe you should ask some questions. Yeah. Like, also, our two-year-old dog just died. Like, my mom and I are really upset about this. Like, we're going through a hard time.

Like, can you do your homework before you start, like, running my name through the mud? And he does. It escalates a little bit. And by the end, he does say, suck my dick. Yeah. Fuck you and suck my dick, I think he said. I mean, listen, I think it's amazing to go out there and yes, please adopt a dog if you can. That's a wonderful thing you can do for all the animals in need. But yeah, like people do suffer from allergies. It's a real thing. And to be alert, like, and it's not as easy to just go and get any dog. And then, yeah, there are extenuating circumstances. You know, it's very, God, I couldn't imagine, you know, God forbid something happens to Jeff.

It's tragic. It's like losing a family member. And like, here is Pete Davidson simply just thinking about his mom, his mother, who, as we all know, tragically lost his father, right? And he just wants to love on his mom. here pita is going out there and i can only imagine the vitriol and the hatred and the trolling that resulted from what pita said and again like support pita and then advocating for animals all day long but like come on you know like that's that's that's honestly if i honestly think that's a form of internet bullying i think people are always you know and that selective outrage is the wonderful Chris Rock has said, but love Pete Davidson for standing up for himself and just like stop putting your nose where it doesn't belong sometimes. That's all I'm saying. And again,

please adopt a dog if you can. It is a wonderful thing that if you can do just such a wonderful thing, but again, not everyone's situation is the same. And maybe we shouldn't shame people into doing what you want them to do. I will say that PETA statement at least feels like it's future oriented

as opposed to just being like, shame on, like you're bad. It's not their place at the time. What did PETA say? So PETA said, it's tragic that Pete

didn't seek out a borough-born mutt from a city animal shelter because a scrappy New Yorker with a charm, personality, and unconventional handsomeness could have been his perfect match. Since shelters in New York and across the country are overflowing with homeless animals,

PETA urges Pete to show some big-heart energy by adopting, not shopping, in the future. Yeah, completely unnecessary. And again, put yourself in Pete Davidson's shoes at the time when she's lost a dog he's dealing with that loss the pain and sorrow i think he said like he hadn't seen his mom and sister cry like that in like 20 years like what was it's just like can you imagine reading that and being like fuck you guys stop sticking your like that condescension in their message of like, you know, I mean, again, we love PETA.

We love animals, but they don't need to fucking call out every person, especially as Pete said, without doing their homework. I don't know, but good on Pete. Fuck you and suck my dick. And also shout out to him for leaving a voicemail. No one's leaving voicemail these days. What an old school move by Pete. Yeah, he's a renaissance man.

Anyways, we wish his mother and his family and his sister well. Me and his sister follow each other on Instagram. Do you? All right, well. How about that, Flex? DM her and ask her how the dog is. Yeah. We wish them well.

We wish them well. And it seems like PETA had maybe the best intentions. But again, clearly, Pete Davidson is someone who struggles for mental health. We know that. I can only imagine. Without question, Pete was flooded with hateful messages as a result of PETA's statement. Without question. And I just think they should think twice.

Yeah. Internet's crazy. Yeah. Like a swarm of wasps. All right. Well, I think it's time to. Yeah, internet's crazy. Yeah. Like a swarm of wasps. All right, well, I think it's time to get to Vanderpump Reunion. Before we do a couple housekeeping notes, don't forget we have another episode of Better Date Than Never live tonight at 9 p.m. Eastern.

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Well, we have the household with us. Allie, Amanda, Derek, our pop culture correspondent, Natalie Joy, and a new addition to the household, Genevieve. Everyone clap for Genevieve. Yeah, our new editor is with us. We figured we'd just let her

sit in and share any thoughts that she might have. So welcome Genevieve. Thank you. Yay! Her first words out of her mouth. Thank you on the show. Memorable. Yeah, it's a wonderful start. We love that. Alright. Alright, well, what do we all think i think first reactions we are jostle jeff's here jeff is here yeah so if you're watching right if you're watching youtube it's gonna be a bit

chaotic it's it's nighttime here he's now seeing himself he sees himself and he loves it all right there we go well our our worst fears came true and the fact that unfortunately i don't think uh the hype of the last five minutes lived up to the expectations of anyone do we i don't i didn't see any rage on online so i guess maybe that's good news but like nothing really i guess what i find most confusing is this this whole notion that like who did alex baskin think might need to reconsider uh whether they wanted to come back on the show or whether they wanted to sign another contract because that was what we're basing all our guesses on. I mean, and honestly, like, thank you, Alex, for like the content, because obviously we got to talk about it. We got to guess

we've got to make predictions. But nevertheless, I'm just trying to think short of him just like kind of Mike Flicing it. And for any of you who don't know who Mike Flices, he's the creator of The Bachelor, former executive producers recently fired from his own show. You know, he's infamous for just, you know, blowing a bunch of hot air on Twitter. Are we missing something? Was he, who could he have been speaking about? Potentially Sheena, because I feel like Sheena was already really upset

that her wedding was kind of like engulfed in drama about Katie and Christina Kelly being there. And then also like there was like the kiss. So I wonder if Sheena would just feel like it was so disrespectful. I mean. Because of her wedding? Yeah.

Yeah, but it's like the bridge is burned. Like there was. She's already swapped your head out on her wedding photos. Like. Yeah. I don't think it's going to make it any worse. I forgot about that. Well, Brad was right.

And he's just like, I don't, we don't really think it's anything. But it wasn't, it wasn't even really timeline related. I mean, other than the fact that we got we saw tom got caught in many lies in a group setting yeah but other than that just a kind of a an unnecessary buzzkill right because if we hadn't gone into that with this headline of like there's going to be a reveal it's going to be groundbreaking and thrilling then i think there was a lot to talk about in terms of like Ariana's demeanor, like Raquel's demeanor, the way everybody interacted with one another. Like there was a lot there to unpack. But I think because it was all caught up in the hype of this alleged like bombshell, it's just like, I don't know.

I mean, yeah, producers got to hype their show. producers gotta you know hype their show it's just one of those things instead of again like we said last week instead of talking about just how like wow what a great season you know other than episode number two of the reunion kind of falling a little flat for some people it was like episode three i thought was jam-packed certainly a lot of drama a lot of yelling a lot of conflict lots to discuss but like we opened up this show like talking about like, well, that was not. I think Tom Sandoval's comment about Ariana wearing a T-shirt during them having sex was a lot more shocking than whatever Raquel had to say at the end. Exactly. And it was basically Tom, if I understood him or in the group, because I was like, what the fuck did he just say at first?

But it seemed like Tom was it was like a dig at. Seemed like it was. It was a dig at Ariana. Yes. He basically suggesting that, like, because it came from a comment of like Raquel. Tom, have you slept with anyone else post Raquel? And Ariana chimed in. Yeah, he slept with me. He slept with me. And Raquel and Ariana chimed in yeah he slept with me

and to which Tom responds sarcastically very sarcastically yeah it was you were wearing a t-shirt it was so fucking hot like suggesting that like she was like fucking lazy it's Tom's that's Tom's narrative Tom's narrative this kind of victim mentality

that and that's like that was another that was like tom justifying his actions like even in that moment he is still feels justified for his choices and even like another thing that we all kind of talked about too is like how much raquel apologized for lying but didn't really seem to she seemed that's what she seemed to be most sorry about like the lying about it but not the action itself interestingly enough when it comes to affairs esther perel has said that most people when it comes to affairs like they feel bad that they hurt their partner but most people don't regret it.

And so this would fall in line with Esther Perel. For those of you who don't know who Esther Perel is, she's kind of a well-renowned therapist, psychologist, doctor. Thought leader. Thought leader on relationships and infidelity and things like that. Has a really good TED Talk out there if you're interested.

Anyway, but yeah, that would be in line with um what she said because just just the constant apologizing for the lying and constantly saying how i hate lying i can't believe i lied i'm so sorry for lying it's not you know it that was way more emphasis on that than regret about the fact that those two you know are in love. Per them. Yeah, what a question that Raquel had no problem answering. Two questions. Do we think, starting with Raquel, do we think they actually think they're in love and do we think they're in love?

Pose that for both Tom and Raquel. I think that if they weren't in love, then this is really fucking, it just adds on to how shitty it really is. Like, you better be fucking in love and you better, like, spend the rest of your fucking lives together if, like, this is how you chose to go about it. But that's kind of what Tom Schwartz said in his, like, first ever podcast interview this morning was I told him you better marry this girl for everything you've put me through, put everyone through. This better be worth it.

Yeah, but do we think they are? Essentially, because they've been sneaking around in an affair. So it's like been this like addictive cycle where they feel horribly guilty and they're terrified of getting caught. And then they have this like thrilling moments of getting to fuck each other at the wedding. Now we know. And so it's like during that whole thing, they were sneaking around. They never had to confront like, are we compatible as a couple when we're at rest?

Like, do we get along with each other? Because it's always so forbidden and exciting when they got to see one another. And then then the whole world turned on them because their absolute fuckery got exposed. And so it's like we've had they've had no time to go off of to simulate like daily life or like what it would look like to exist with one another, because they've always had outside forces that were conflict. to exist with one another because they've always had outside forces that were conflict. And I feel like whenever you have an outside force that's a conflict, it's kind of easy because I think there's inherent tension and it just becomes like an outlet for that. And then when you don't have that outside thing and it's just the two of you, you sit there and you realize like, oh, we are incompatible or oh, this is boring and unexciting sometimes. And they don't know that. I think Raquel wants to believe she's in love and has convinced herself she's in love

and clearly has no problem saying it. I mean, to Nellie's point, when Andy asked, she was like, yeah, I mean, I'm in love with this guy. She said it multiple times in that episode. And for Tom, like, the only reason that Tom said it was out of kind of this loyalty for Raquel. Like, he was trying, I think, to protect Raquel and felt bad her being on an island and couldn't possibly say, you know, not really. I just essentially liked the sex.

I think if Tom was really honest, he would. That's what he would have said. I just liked having sex with her. It was about the sex. It was about me. It was about Tom getting that validation and and feeling like someone was And she said, like, I'm a big people pleaser. And I think she's really molded a lot of her behavior around like being nice and being liked. And then especially with men like being fun, like that's how so much about like what Tom Sandoval said was he was like, you know, it's like she's low maintenance was like the implication of all of it. Like she's just

a good time. She has no expectations, obligations for for me and so i feel like raquel is someone who is just like goes into that setting no she's good at it it feels good for her to be liked by people and to feel like oh i'm the best hang everybody's having a great time but she's not actually like fulfilling any of her own needs or showing up as herself she's just molding herself to what other people like might want yeah i don't it's just like a kind of a her her comments about yeah even just saying like oh i only you know i was only care i was a people pleaser and i started caring about myself and it just that was this maybe as honest i guess but i feel like it was more that she decided that she was going to say that because i think she thought it felt sounded good you know

i think in her head she probably rehearsed clearly these people all kind of rehearse what they're going to say and what they want to say and it it sounds in theory good but like and lala kind of pointed out so like wait the first the first thing you did is like fuck your best friend's guy it's just like fine you were a people pleaser her whole life so now you're going to lead with guy it's just like fine you were a people pleaser her whole life so now you're gonna lead with that yeah you know maybe just like cut in front of a line or something or you know uh i will say i am very happy to have heard lisa vanderpump express like watching she's i don't remember what her exact quote was about something about filmmaking or the film, but watching her buy the lightning bolt necklace,

watching her have that conversation with Ariana and had been fucking him the whole time. And Lisa expressing how- Never in my 10 seasons, that footage. Yeah. And the Sandoval going as Raquel for Halloween. Yeah. And Lisa was like like it's so bizarre yeah like I was

it was really it was I think because she's been lighter on the on Sandoval and Raquel it was nice to hear her be like that was fucked up like yeah you fucked him and then you do you were doing all of these things on camera she would have to watch

like you knew what you were doing why were you doing that do you think he knew what he was doing or you think he just didn't care or do you think he got off i think he i'm doing it that was part of the thrill was doing it in front of the cameras it's like when you've committed a crime or a murder i thought this is anywhere near that and the murderer stays around the scene of the crime for a little too long. Or they go back. They start to make mistakes because, one, it's thrilling, and two, some of that is they want to get caught.

I don't know if they wanted to get caught, but it's thrilling. I think he was in love with the situation. She was probably in love with him. Okay. Good point. That's a great, excellent point, Genevieve. She was probably in love with him. Okay. Good point. That's a great, excellent point, Genevieve. Welcome to the show.

Thank you. Wow. Sister Venerable. What was more fucked up? T-shirt comment? Reaction? Raquel and Tom off stage, so to speak? Just that whole incident.

And there's like details we'll get into. Or what I kind of think is the most fucked up is Tom's mom, like coming into town and meeting Raquel. And like, hey, I want you to meet my mom. And did he say that my mom called her a whore or something because I heard Ariana be like yeah she is no no no no Ariana was saying did she call her a whore and I think Tom

was making fun of Ariana like yeah my mom called the love of my the new love of my life a whore I think he was kidding yeah what they were saying but I found that to be really fucking bizarre and like a really bad beat for Tom's mom. I know this woman's already out.

However many thousands of dollars she lent a million dollars. And you're just like your son's like fucking your his his like let down after let down after let down. And I would maybe get Tom's mom on here because i'm just wondering like if you know we know tom to be an untruthful man uh and who knows this way who knows maybe his mom came to town and she's like you two gotta stop this you know this is fucked up i don't know they both painted it as like a like mom comes to town to meet the new girl like and why wasn't tom's mom like saying hey this is fucked up or it was wrong all she said is this is this is not this is not good guys not

like what are you doing they said in the last episode they love you which is when raquel said i love you tom said that yeah yeah that was episode one no about his about her family the no that was the yeah the finale yeah yeah yeah the last episode he said they love you regarding his family about raquel yeah and that's when she had the slip up and said i love you too yeah yeah so clearly his family is somewhat on board i just don't believe anything tom says so i don't really know you know he had no problem lying when they like did you have sex at the house without hesitation no and then someone said someone i think it was james who just kind of like chirped and and he said they said tom said it was one time it was just the

one time not at the house and and james looked at lala and said we all know it wasn't one time in general to sex yeah and then in addition, when it came to the house, so like, he was kind of claiming like, for a really long time, they'd had this one night stand. Yeah, but I'm saying he denied having sex at the house, full stop. And then James

said something, and then Tom was just like, oh sure, you know everything, James. Something like that. I think Andy asked have you hooked up at the house? Because Andy knows Tom's sticking to the lie they haven't had sex. He said even no to that. Yeah. And then that's when, and you even said while we're watching it,

that like Raquel, you could tell that Raquel. She like looked nervous. It's like she wanted. She looked at the ground. Yeah. Like she, I feel like, like they went into that situation. Obviously, we heard that he coached her. And I feel like Tom was like, we're not going to say this.

We're not going to say this and we're not going to say this. And she's like, OK. But then once I feel like it was finally there and she heard that question come out of Andy's mouth and then she heard Tom Sandoval lie about it. I do think it like made her nervous. And I do think like she panicked a little bit yeah well and then tom schwartz is saying i was in the hot hot tub with him that night there was no hanky no shit tom i would hope they're not doing it with you in there like yeah i feel like that's him saying like we've fucked girls while the other person was in the same room

with two double beds he's like i've been in a hot tub and watched tom sandoval fuck someone else and i just like finger i was just like on my phone like paint playing tetris like whatever you know like yeah that was him kind of outing himself as if like okay like they they they could have started something after you left right and kind of going back to your question about like, you know, all of the fucked up things and which is the most fucked up. I think for me,

one for me, well, the mom would really fuck me up. If I were Ariana, I would just be like, are you like after all the Christmases we spent together? Sure. Yeah.

Like I get, if you're going to stand by your son, I get, you're not going to cut him off, but like, she also hasn't heard from them. She has not heard a lick from Tom Sandoval's family. Oh, that's right.

No one has said a thing to Ariana since all of this has happened. Well, that tracks having watched this. Because, yeah, you're not going to abandon your kid like everyone else might. But I was shocked when Andy asked that question. And Tom wasn't like, to be totally honest she expressed she's she said we need to stop it i he she insisted that i tell ariana she made it very clear that she not approve of this yada yada like none of that it was just more like yeah we're gonna use that you guys are in a mess like how do you get out of this one so So bizarre. I just kind of goes to show how these, like, you know,

the, the Toms just seem like it really speaks to like who you surround yourself with. I don't know. Really kind of as a testament to how you, like your life choices. That really goes back to me shoplifting at 13. Thank God.

I'm not. Yeah. Never. You'll do. You drop those people. Thank, thank God. Thank God.

Yeah. I think also like with the t-shirt comment, fucked up for so many different reasons. One, first and foremost, like it's just so displays how it's like, he's interpreting is like, are you kidding me? Like that wasn't even hot when it's like,

maybe she's not comfortable around you right now. Like maybe she doesn't feel sexy and she doesn't want to rip her clothes off because you're spending no goddamn quality time with her and you're not listening to her. And also she's spoken before like with Raquel about like feeling self-conscious about her body. So to then like twist that as like it was so unhot, it just struck me as like one of the most like disgustingly like of like you can keep your fucking mouth like shut, Tom. But it keeps going along with everyone's keep

saying Tom stop saying I'm sorry but even Schwartz said stop saying I'm sorry but and everyone that was Ariana's whole point you fucked her and then you fucked me that was his butt his butt was saying you had a shirt on so like fuck you yeah yeah yeah well I mean like I think if Tom and Raquel were

really sorry instead of leaving the stage and then, you know, cleaning each other's eyebrows and... Which is, like, such an intimate thing to do. Like, hold on, you have a little something. Let me just, like, get that off. Oh, let me just clean you up. The shame just wiped away from them as soon as they left the stage.

And, like, that was another thing. When Raquel left stage it was we all thought it was like oh it's because it was the kind of the verbal assault that was being laid on her and then she's like no I just need a sip of water it's like oh my god she's just thirsty I mean she probably did need a break from I know but like why just just just acknowledge that you know why didn't you know because there were moments on stage where i started like again it's not that i felt bad for raquel but like you know that's the thing it's just like tom and raquel are not the only people who have made this mistake you know to andy cohen's point like a lot of people

have made this mistake on this show you know this show opened up up with Jax Taylor having sex with a stripper in Vegas, gaslighting his entire friend group to believe him instead of Stassi, and then convincing everyone he didn't do it only for it to be true. I mean, like, so these like the moral compass on some of the cast people is not exactly like true north. Totally. And I think with Raquel's expression expression like i was just thinking a lot about how like my kind of like theory about this was i i feel like if growing up in the pageant world like she was just kind of always told to like put a smile on your face and that like she was like put in the position where in like she'd be in competitions where it was high stakes and it

was nervous and she had to just like smile and look composed and like be pretty and be nice and be like whatever all of those things you know are and I think she's it I don't know it just struck me as like someone who's like really not even capable of like processing or emoting and like how the fuck are you supposed to work through and make good decisions if you're not even naming the emotions like I feel like sometimes people stop at the emotions they're like I'm pissed so I'm gonna do all this and like with Raquel it was like do you even know how you're feeling and like maybe you do on the inside but like from an outside perspective it feels like you don't even allow yourself like you don't let the emotion bloom into something you just like nip it in the

bud and are in like survival mode all the time that makes me really fucking sad yeah but like that's the thing there were moments and glimpses of of having empathy for raquel in the sense of okay maybe this like tom he's 40 years old like this guy cause lost cause i'm sorry this man should be upselling me a gym package in florida as like the sleazy assistant manager with too many buttons down on his shirt like this man was never meant to be on a national stage he does not have a national stage. He does not have a good character and he does not have

a good personality. Like, he's a fucking dud. I think he's always been a dud. Maybe I'll rewatch the earlier seasons and find something redeemable. He literally started out as like a casting call

on the hills as like a model sitting in a director's chair shirtless. No, I don't think character matters to many people in this cast. Like, I don't think

they consider character when having the decision of whether they want to be friends with people it's like can this person yeah does this person give me access do i think they're fun will they protect my secrets can i you know things like that not like do i do i think they treat others around them with respect and courtesy and love and consideration like i don't they, I don't even think that registers with, with some of them, especially Tom, but with Raquel,

like I do like, you know, I want to think that like, she's not a lost cause again. She's relatively young, you know? And yeah, she's an adult.

I'm not saying she shouldn't know better. I'm just saying like, I think people, if they're willing to can make changes in their life. I think if she, you I think people, if they're willing to, can make changes in their life. I think if she, you know, there's all these discussions about her, you know, being in a mental health facility or whatever. And even she referenced tonight, you know, Lala very harshly called her crazy and said, you need mental help. You need mental help. And, and, you know, Raquel humbly said, I, I am, you know, that could not have been, that seemed like an honest, vulnerable moment.

And I want to believe that Raquel can learn from her mistakes, learn that she treated all these people poorly and maybe do some like discovery, you know, her childhood, some maybe potential trauma and kind of evaluate that. Like I do. I hope truly the best for her. I do think Tom was a terrible influence on her. I give Raquel a little slack because I think Raquel is always an outsider with this group. We've made friends with, Natalie and I have made friends with some of them, but this group of cast people, from me watching all of season 10, starting to watch season one and seeing a couple of episodes, they're incredibly clicky. They are very kind of, you know, rite of passage in terms of will we accept you, will we won't?

And so here's Raquel, who is always treated like an outsider by many of the cast for a long time. And she must feel like she's constantly auditioning constantly performing which again goes back to her not being connected to herself and making horrible choices and so she just gets some validation from a guy like tom and makes her feel special again this is not in any way justify or or excuse her actions but it does make me think that she was manipulated and that tom being in a position of power being an og on this show and and you know her thinking well if i get in good with the toms and i'm i'm in good with the show you know there's a little bit of a sympathy and then yet they leave the stage go into the

back room and after this verbal assault by all these people, the only thing Raquel really cared about, and this is an observation courtesy from friend of show Girl Boss Town who DM'd me, the only thing she really cared about was the comment that was made about Allie, that James upgraded from Raquel to Allie. And that, of all things, is what bothered Raquel. All the nasty things that Ariana said and Lala said about Raquel just kind of brushed right off. That didn't matter.

She was called a dementor. She's like, I know you like Harry Potter. You're a horrible person. Did you see the slight face change though? She went from like, I know, I'm here to repent to my sins. And then she was like, I know you like Harry Potter and there was this moment of

like I'm gonna fight for Hogwarts but she was like hold it back. Yeah she has like her fucking lightning bolt necklace. It's starting to like vibrate.

It's full of magical powers. Yeah but like all she really cared about was that comment about about Ali. I thought another comment that was so significant

was when she told Ariana that she didn't really trust her and that Tom was the only person she confided in. That made me really sad. And it and I it just feels so sad because I think Ariana is so trustworthy. And like even with the growing closeness that like Raquel had to Ariana, like there was still some level. And like, I think you could probably trace it back to pageants. I don't know if that's the truth, but like of like a fundamental distrust of other women or not believing that like there would ever be like harmony or sisterhood or like support that there will always be a fundamental level of like competition for men. And, you know, you have to like let people show up for you. Like you have to put yourself out there. And she never did that. Like she never let Ariana prove her wrong. Like, I think she could have done so much like healing or like made so much progress if she just like tried to be a little bit more vulnerable and kind of confront

the stuff she was feeling head on as opposed to like shoving it down and then just being on this like horrible, like merry-go-round of bad choices. Which also I think good for Ariana for calling her out and being like that was crossing a boundary. That was inappropriate for you to confide in Tom and you to consider me to be one of your best friends was inappropriate yeah yeah that's like emotional affairs like that was your first fuck up and like you should you shouldn't have gone there and you went there and like it should have stopped there and it didn't yeah and like kind of like what was your motivation for allowing tom to have that information because you know when we want to connect with people we were more willing to be vulnerable you know it's like i want to open up to you because i want you

to see me for who i am and here is raquel saying well i've never felt seen before and that yeah that all came around the time where ariana was like i've seen you and then yeah then like raquel's like not like tom has which is like that's that that was one of the most frustrating parts it's just like you know you know you're gonna get your ass whooped by all these people and you apologize but every opportunity like the whole lala and james you fucked and then james reminding us that he's only 25 uh james loves to remind us that he was he was too young but like why don't you just just say yes i'm wrong i'm sorry you're right i'm sorry like raquel did that a couple times tom never did he never just like took his ass whooping

and just acknowledged that how like just yeah i was wrong i was wrong i have no excuses i was wrong i was waiting for either of them especially Tom I think Tom had a chance to do something where I don't think it would have like certainly I wouldn't have erased anything but it would have been I think a moment where we could have saw some like human in him

if instead of that whole back you know room scene between him and Raquel if he would have said to Raquel hey I'm really sorry I got you into this or like something like that like if one of them apologized to the other for like the role they played in kind of being a temptation to the other like none of none of that between like again I don't think they're in any way sorry for what they did with each other I think they are only sorry they got caught and hurt Ariana and had to lie about it I mean Raquel

even admitted at the end the big reveal that in Mexico she was like I told him like we can't see each other like the temptation is just too strong but then I heard him drunk in the hallway and like had to save him because he didn't know where he was going. So I just brought him into my room and like sat on his face and like no biggie. But it's like it all. Yeah, it's like because when I'm looking for my hotel room, I find penetrating someone is really helpful. The way I'm finding that hotel room. It really shakes the brain a hotel room. That sounds like awful sex if he was that drunk that

he couldn't even find his room. That's an amazing point. Questionable at best. It's also sad because you know her heart fucking soared when she heard his voice outside of her room. You know she was so fucking excited. Oh yeah. She looked out that peephole and she wet her panties. Yeah she did.

Little sicko. Do we think, because some people have commented, do we think in any way that Ariana, Lala, or anyone was too harsh? Did it ever get to a point where it was like, that's like,

it's getting mean and unnecessary? I think it goes back to our debate that we had about what it takes to be the perfect victim, because I think Ariana has been just I mean, we saw her on the show just dealing with the immediate ramifications of finding this out, having to live in a house with him. She's crying. She has to have her friends support her. And so it was it took me aback just like how she kept firing things at people.

And so it was it took me aback just like how she kept firing things at people. And I was wondering, is she going to lose a little bit of support because of how harsh she's being? I don't think so. I think obviously she is granted, I think, a pretty big hall pass to like voice what I mean. This is, I think, her first time seeing Raquel, first conversation with Raquel. I think so yeah because all raquel texted her was like i don't know what to say but like i'm so sorry i'm so so she included three says because she's like i did something bad do you imagine do you think she was like should i write a fourth so or do you think three she fucking calls into texting office hours and it's like so what do you guys think? Do you want to read this for me? Like, ooh, dot, dot, dot.

Like, ooh. I think she gets a pass. I think Lala and James might, if anyone's going to catch any criticism, I think it would be them. Just was like, you, like, it didn't happen to you. And like, I get you're angry, but like... Yeah.

I can make it... It's hard to make a case for James a little bit. Maybe just because of the Raquel of it all but I don't know I mean it was his fiance that his

best friend like yeah I get that breaks just like any sort of guy code ever but James had his moment of

of in the first episode like he had his moment of being sad about the friendship with Tom you know

to be honest he's in in the seemingly happy relationship with ally like i don't know how much fucks he should give about raquel fucking up her life post their relationship so much of season 10 and the reunion episodes have made me feel like james has been activated in a way where if i were his current partner i would feel really uneasy about how emotive he was. Like, obviously, I don't think he's thinking of Raquel in all of a positive way, but like the amount of emotion that it elicits out of him, like makes me would make me really wary. He says he's in therapy. I hope he pursues more of it because, yeah, I mean, he's funny. He's

comical. I don't know him that well. We hope to finally get him on the show at some point. But yeah, he's a reactive guy. And that reactiveness can, I think, could be at a minimum frustrating and at times potentially scary. And I think therapy for him could, I know he says, well, I don't know if I need therapy because people on TV look a lot different than me.

But therapy just helps you manage your emotions in a more productive way and helps you more maturely react to the things that you feel. Yeah. And I think he is justified in his feelings, but how he reacts to them is sometimes a bit uneasy. But I agree with you. I mean, as far as Ariana, like, listen, like when you find out someone has cheated on you, like you are kind of, I think you're allowed to say fucked up crazy shit that you wouldn't

otherwise say, you know, like the name calling that might come from you and the things that you say, like eventually Ariana, it seems like she already has. Well, kind of get over it. And, you know, I don't think she's going to always have this type of intensity towards those two. But when you find out someone's cheated on you, you're like, oh, you want to learn every fucking ick you've ever given me? Let me list it out, motherfucker.

And you want them to feel pain. You want to hurt them like they hurt you. And so, you know, I totally give Ariana a pass for she she was clearly trying to be as mean as possible. And she, I think, accomplished that. And I think she is allowed to do it. Lala, I give a pass in the sense that because I think this is a very triggering situation for her. And I think, yeah, all that bullshit about, you know, the whole Randall of it all, the mistress of it all,

like having it being thrown in your face when all Lala was trying to do is take accountability and then make Raquel literally feel better and kind of try to bring her up you know earlier in season 10 by acknowledging like I've been a mistress that's not her saying I knew admitting to being a

mistress that's her saying like I've been called that before I've I've been and I've survived I'm fine I got stuck in that situation I've been yeah and like I I've, I've been, and I've survived. Yeah. I'm fine. I got stuck in that situation. I've been, yeah. And like, I think that just goes to show like the way that Raquel,

I think she takes everything that is said. Like she, I don't think she can see any like sarcasm or I think it's hard for her to like read between the lines. I think she just hears what you said and takes it at face value. Yeah. Well, that brings me to the point of, in the end, when Raquel was crying about lying,

I don't think those were fake tears. No. I think those were real tears. I don't think I saw a tear. In the very end? Yeah. I feel like I just saw a lot of mouth movement, but maybe.

I felt like she was sincere in that moment you know because she didn't have to come clean and sit down she was going against the one person that was an ally for her and admitting to shit that he did not want her to admit what if tom sandoval uses that as a reason to not date her? Well, it wouldn't shock me at all. Yeah. But I just want to say, like, even in that, whether there were real tears or not, she was still smiling. I mean, she was at least whether even if she's pretending to cry, she was still smiling. It was like, I do think she has this very bizarre thing where she has this permagrin. very bizarre thing where she has this permagrin and i think it's just really like hard to read situation i don't i don't think that means that she's a sociopath no i think it means she's been

deeply conditioned to never express her emotions or she's been environments where that wasn't safe and that doesn't justify any of her behavior but i do think it provides like context tapes on her lunch with peter when she aged out of pageantry. Those were, that was real emotion. Those were tears. Yeah, but that was less complicated emotion. It was just like, that was less complicated. But was she smiling?

I don't remember her smiling in the way she's smiling now. I don't know if we were nitpicking. Was Scandival out at that point? I've seen clips of this online since it's aired, and I'm like, oh. Bring it back. Let's watch the tape roll the tape roll the tape yeah i will say on the topic of like ariana and her demeanor like i didn't like watching it and that's not i don't judge her at all like i think she has every right to be super upset and i think it's so frustrating and ridiculous when we put people through hell and then expect them to react perfectly like that's

insane she should she has every right to be like hurt and lash out and angry but like i really didn't like watching it as a viewer what do you like and what like it made me really sad about this situation yeah okay it just made me feel really really sad. Yeah. Because even when Ariana was being petty, and there was petty moments from her, but I think justified. And then her pettiness, I feel like she was the most petty is when they were asking if those two were in love. And imagine Ariana having to sit through

Andy asking these two about whether they're in love or not. What a reaction is she supposed to have other than mocking those two and coming across as petty and trying to make fun of them in love or not. What other reaction is she supposed to have other than mocking those two and, you know, and coming across as petty and, like, trying to, like,

make fun of them because she doesn't know what to say other than, like, this is hysterical. You know? So, like, torture.

See, she's smiling there. Well, there she's not. I just, Peter's faces during this lunch. He's literally like, kill me. Also, the fact that Peter was supposed to be a main character on this show I just Peter's faces during this lunch. He's like, what? Kill me.

Also, the fact that Peter was supposed to be a main character on this show blows my mind. Like season one, episode one, Peter is in almost every scene. She's not smiling. That's like actually. It's a different cry. Yeah. You can still see teeth, but it's a different cry. I think she laughed because she realized she's on a date in public and she like.

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That, in contrast to Raquel, which I found really upsetting to watch. The Tom Sandoval stuff, I was like, put him in the casket. Get him. And so were there any lines or moments of the night that particularly stood out to people? I mean, Lala being like, I'm always at my best type of thing. Or something like that. Yeah, Lala at her finest, I'm always at my best type of thing or something like that. Yeah, Lala at her finest. I'm always at my finest.

Tom Schwartz had a very interesting question to Ariana, which obviously ended up in her being pretty emotional for the first time. Him asking how the juxtaposition. It was a weird question but nonetheless like Ariana how is this hate felt well Ariana I'll flip it back to you how is this love felt like I was like where are we going Tom just hates conflict so much

it's insane yeah but I'm also like if you're Andy Cohen you gotta be like thank you Tom because like that's where we got that it couldn't have been two worse people like you know like that was a lot of the like emotional grounding of this reunion. And it was from Tom Schwartz's question. I think, you know, one that probably stuck out to me was how Sandoval, you know, is sobbing,

crying, which I do believe that that was a real. I think I think his world is world is yes he feels sorry for himself maybe but i do think it was real tears um and him saying like i will be cheering you on from afar and then ariana being like i will not be cheering you on at all yeah, yeah. But it's not a. It's not like a nice thing for Tom to say. You know, because Tom's level of indifference towards Aria. It kind of comes across as indifference. I wish you the best.

I don't really care. You know. Oh, my God. How are you doing? It's like running into your ex and then pretending that they're like oh my god i just i want them to do so well in life why because i don't really care i am so over them i'm so past it like if you're on ariana that's how it must feel in that moment like tom trying to be nice to ariana i think just comes across as a big fuck you yeah and she's also probably like fuck you i

don't need you rooting for me bitch i thought that was very interesting that they seem to cut that clip out of the accusation towards Sheena. I mean, that must have been in protection to Sheena because, you know, like no one likes an accusation like that and making Sheena defend herself. It doesn't make sense that Sheena knew beforehand. Hard to believe that she would have that. It's hard to believe that she would have that. I mean, I don't know if she is trying to be an actor, so I don't want to in any way suggest that she couldn't be an incredible actor. But that would be a performance of a lifetime if she had known and still gave that performance. It would have been a performance. Immediate Emmy.

Because she was the finale of the finale. She was the final moment. She brought the house down. She was the headliner. Her being like, you'd call your friend. Like, you know, like she said, everybody needed Meredith. And we'd pick up the pieces of what you broke, which is what we're doing. Yeah.

And scene. Give Allie. I mean, yeah. And then I thought to myself, well, maybe she knew about like a like a like Tom Sandoval or Tom Schwartz, where he like knew about like what he thought was a one-time hookup. But even that doesn't really track. I think it was more of a situation where Tom and Raquel thought to themselves, Sheena must know.

And they never confirmed it was Sheena. And they assumed that she knew, and they kind of told themselves she knew, and then decided to make her escape go after the fact. Yeah. Yeah. I think it, I think that's where the truth lies.

Yeah. I think we're going to take a moment, a moment from Vanderpump. We have an amazing sweat in the wedding collar. I think one that you might have a lot of opinions out. We'll get to that. And then when we return back to Vanderpump, we'll talk next season, what we hope, what we think, how do we think the season's going to

play out? How can they go about these kind of factions of the people on the cast? And then we'll close it out. Let's get to Sweating the Wedding. How's it going? I'm good. I'm Olivia and I'm 29 years old today. All right. Happy birthday. All right. What, how can we help Olivia?

So I'm not sure if I should have my dad, stepdad or no one walk me down the aisle for my wedding. Okay. All right. When's the wedding? Congratulations, by the way, on the wedding. Thanks. It's on New Year's Eve. New for my wedding. Okay. All right. When's the wedding? Congratulations, by the way, on the wedding. Thanks. It's on New Year's Eve.

New Year's Eve. Okay. How did you come to that date? I'm curious for people who get married on New Year's Eve. I just thought everybody's always looking for plans on New Year's Eve. And so why not throw a party? That's actually... I like that.

I kind of agree. But there's other holidays where it's just like, really, you're going to have a party? You're going to have a wedding on this holiday? But like, I hate New Year's Eve.

Yeah. She gave me a reason to dress up. Something to do. It's kind of, it's brilliant. So now I'm going to love it. There you go.

Exciting. All right. And that's this year coming up. So it's coming around the corner. All right. Why are you torn? So I have both my dad and stepdad are in my life serving as kind of father figures.

When I was in high school, I was on the homecoming court and I had my stepdad walk me down the football field for homecoming court. And I remember my real dad just being like completely crushed that I chose my stepdad over him to do that for me. And at the time I was only 17, I felt a ton of pressure from the fact that I lived with both my mom and my stepdad. And I just felt kind of like more nudged to have my stepdad walk me down the football field at that time. And now I just think the whole tradition is stupid to begin with to have somebody walk me down the aisle. But I guess like that, it's okay that I chose my stepdad over him. My dad could walk me down

for my wedding. But my dad also hasn't ever really like provided for me in a fatherly kind of sense. I put myself through college and anytime I asked for help, the answer was always no. And now he's offering to give me money for the wedding. And I'm like, that's great. But I needed that money when I was starving in college. You know, I don't really need it now. Did he have the money? Yeah. I applied for financial aid and I was denied because it showed that he could provide for me. So how do they figure that out? I'm curious. I mean, I don't. It's the weirdest thing because they don't actually ask if you're going to be paying for it in full. They honestly will ask how much your parents make. Okay. And then they'll base it off of that. Is that like a trust system?

I don't really know, but I always thought it was an odd thing because there were people who exactly like Olivia were in a position where their parents might make a certain amount, but they were in no way helping for college. And the university would just say, oh no, your parents have too much money. We're not giving you any. But to be clear, you're basing your assumption that your dad could afford it solely on the fact that you were denied financial aid in college. Yes.

That might be a bit of a reach on your part. I don't know. Maybe he's sitting on a pot of gold, but I don't know if that would be accurate yeah per se but he's offering now yeah no that's fair i think the fact that he's now offering to give me a little bit of money for the wedding then i'm just like where was that willingness back then what about your just relationship in general with your dad minus his like financial support or lack thereof? It's always been fine. I would say we, we don't catch up too much. He got remarried when I was 18 and my stepmom has four kids of her own. So I just feel like he has like too many people in

his web to keep too close of a relationship with me and my other siblings but he catches up with me every now and then and we have a fine relationship it's not like there's anything super strange does he reach out to you or is it like constantly you putting forth the effort it's more so me putting forth the effort i would say option three was to have no one and that i'm assuming based off of i don't want to hurt anyone's feelings so i'm just going to yeah and also because i just think it's really stupid somebody locked me down in aisle when yeah when i'm able bodied i can walk myself i just like really don't like that tradition okay well if you don't like the tradition then maybe that solves the problem.

But do you really feel that way? Or is that you saying it because deep down you're afraid of making a tough decision? Because clearly the tradition's not there because like the brides are incapable of walking. It's not about, you know, I don't think that, I don't know the orange of the tradition, but I don't think the first time a father walked down someone down the aisle is because the bride couldn't walk and they like picked her up and he's just like, yeah, you know what I'm saying? But if you're not, if you're not into the tradition and you think it's stupid case closed. But my sense is that it's more you avoiding a tough decision. So you've convinced yourself that it's stupid because like, if that's

how you really feel, then what's, what's the problem? You just say, Hey, stepdad, dad, just a heads up personally, this ain't for me. I don't want to do it. It's my wedding. And I want to do X, Y, or Z with, you know, you to honor you and whatever that is, you know, could be this, you know, but as far as us walking down the wedding, I just, it's not about you and whatever that is, you know, could be this, you know, but as far as us walking down the wedding, I just, it's not about you and it's not about dad or stepdad. I just think it's dumb. And that's, that's an easy decision. Yeah. I think I just feel like I need to make right reconcile the whole homecoming court situation of walking down the football field with my stepdad. And I was annoyed because I told my stepdad like, Oh, since I had you walk me down for homecoming, I'm going to have my real dad

walk me for the wedding. And he said, Oh, but that was a high school thing. That was stupid. But at the time, it felt like the entire world to me when I made that decision. So it made me feel really bummed out that now it's like, Oh, that didn't mean anything, but this does mean something to me. Are you doing father-daughter dance? Because you could have your stepdad dance with you and your real dad walk you down the aisle. That's what my real dad said. Oh, he even offered that.

Real dad even offered that because I was wondering if real dad would be sad about that. I just want to remind you, one, this is your wedding, not theirs. I'll be really, really disappointed in stepdad, quite frankly, because it sounds like stepdad is guilting you into having him walk you down the aisle. Maybe he's been a wonderful stepdad, but it's not, it doesn't sound like real dad's been some sort of deadbeat dad and divorce is a funny,

tricky thing, you know, and things like that. And so he did have that honor and it is a bit dismissive on his part to call it a high school thing because it is important to you. But more importantly, it clearly was important to your father. And it's very convenient for stepdad to just dismiss it as nothing

yeah when clearly it's not nothing to both you and real dad yeah no that's a really good point i'm i'm i'm sitting on a letter here is this a letter from your father real dad from my real dad yeah do you who wants to who wants to read it natalie um i i mean okay i will yeah he he's got some very person written note on some sort of letterhead yeah very old as is my family which honestly is he is a green flag he took the time to sit down and write this out which should mean something okay my dad would never yeah i think it's very appropriate that we have natalie have opinion on on this particular subject but just between you and me i don't have the best relationship with my father he wasn't around much i don't have another i don't have a stepdad but I do have two older brothers who I thought about walking me down the aisle.

And then, you know, it's just like my dad is sick. I don't know how much longer he's going to live. And like this is the most one of the most important days of my life. And I would love to like be able to look back at photos and show my kids one day like this was your grandfather, like me and your grandfather. Like this was your grandfather, like me and your grandfather. Like you walk me. This is like this is my dad. And like have that memory with my father is like something that I really do care about, whether he's been a good dad or not. You know? Yeah. Dear Olivia, enclosed are a couple of my favorite pictures of your engagement.

You and your husband are a beautiful, handsome couple. I am so glad you found each other. I was really touched by your fiance's willingness to request the opportunity to be able to ask for your hand. My wife and I want to contribute to the wedding. We would like to contribute $6,000 to this beautiful occasion. Sunny Delight, what a great princess name for you. You have always been a positive light, a sunny delight to me and to so many others. God has gifted you with an amazing, sparkly personality. Next week, I am going to Uganda and I will return mid-May.

When I get back, I will call you. I would like to continue our discussion regarding my request. Would you allow me the opportunity to walk you down the aisle at your wedding? This is the moment I have been looking forward to almost since you were born. Aww. Also, this is the moment I referred to when we had... Oh, God. this is the moment I referred to when we had. Oh, I had. All right. Had lunch following your homecoming.

I can read men's pen. This is the moment I referred to when we had lunch following your homecoming football game where I was neglected to a place that didn't feel good. I didn't like the feeling then of not measuring up enough to do what dads normally do. Walk us beside you and help their daughters. I love you and I will walk beside you, behind you, or even sit in the stands and support you. But I am requesting the honor to walk you down the aisle on 12-31-23. I love you always and forever, That was so touching. The nicest. Yeah.

I mean, you should cherish this letter forever. That's really nice. I didn't even read it when I first got it. I was too stressed about what was inside of it and let's now what is the downside of having papa bear walk you down the aisle it's my stepdad i don't want to hurt him especially when he's really stepped up and been an amazing provider growing up anytime i've needed it and so if i'm being honest my mom also chirping in my ear and being like this is a lot to your stepdad this is a selfish request from your mom i get why mom's asking doesn't make her bad or anything but nevertheless that request is for your mom and not

for you and again stepdad I'm sure would be honored and would be glad to do it. Obviously, he's probably stepped up in many ways. We've had similar conversations around these types of, but like there are other ways to honor people. In your speech, you can thank him for always being there and being a supporter and give him a shout out in a speech. You can even say, I feel so blessed to have truly two fathers

that could have walked me down the aisle. And I just want to take this moment to recognize Frank, you know, whatever your stepdad's name is, because he has also been there for me in so many ways that I will always cherish, yada, yada, yada. To really throw in a wrench, you could have them both walk you down. So I was thinking that I would walk myself halfway down the aisle and then have them both come to me and walk me the rest of the way. But my dad has made it clear that he wants it to be

just him. And he was like, you told me when you were 17, that's what you would do. And my fiance said, you are sticking to your word if you have them both walk you down the aisle, because he still is. But I'm never going to forget that moment in high school when it was just my stepdad walking me down the football field. But when you say you would never forget, what do you mean? In what context? How bad you felt that it was that your dad? Yeah. Okay. So that matters. You're 29 years old and that's a, and high school has been a while and yet that's, that, that stuck with you, man. I just, this is such an opportunity. I think this is more of an opportunity for you in your relationship with your father. It's also an opportunity I think for you maybe to, you're still only 29, so you're

super young. I don't know how old your dad is, but like, you know, life's short. And it sounds like your dad's going on a trip and he's going to come back and he wants to talk with you more about it. So why don't you grab dinner with dad or lunch or whatever, coffee, get together with him if possible in person. And to say, you know, I really thank you for the letter. It means a lot. I'm so glad that you're willing to help and pay for it. Again, that also means a lot. I am open to having you walk me down the aisle. I'm open to honoring your request, but I have some requests of my own. And maybe those requests are, I'd like to build my connection with you. Here's dad. Here's the reason why i'm reluctant you know because of i wouldn't throw money i'd be careful about throwing money in his face because again like

it's just you know my parent i don't know your your family's financial situation but like you know i have 10 brothers and sisters i didn't get a cent for college it's one thing to have it but like i don't i just don't know if it's every any parent's responsibility for pay to pay for their kids college if they can great but like just because they don't doesn't mean they love you less you know yeah uh and i'd be careful about like you know measuring uh anyone's love for you because they gave you cash i know it just feels like not a willingness to provide i guess and like some of my earliest childhood memories are going to my dad's house and bringing him medical bills that haven't been paid you know and it's not i don't know i don't know i get it it's complicated i understand i would just all i'm

saying is this could be an opportunity to set some expectations with papa bear you know you have something he wants truly i mean it's like a negotiation in a way. But like, you know, if I do this, this is my reluctance. My reluctance is there are times in my life where I feel like I wanted you to step up and you didn't. Every father wants to walk their daughter down the aisle,

even the ones who aren't all that present in their lives. Yeah. And I have been lucky enough, and this might hurt your feelings, and I'm not trying to, I've been lucky enough to have a stepdad to be totally candid with you, dad, to like pick up where you haven't always been available. And you're not saying that to guilt him or anything, but like, again, you're just like, Hey, I'm just going to be, you're honest with me. I'm going to be honest with you, but I want to give you this honor because how much I

love you and like how much I want a relationship with you. But if I do, this is what I'm asking of you. You know, whether it's the quality time that you want for him, you know, more, more of an effort to him to reach out and have a relationship. Again, you make the list. I don't know what you want from your father, but I do think it's an opportunity to make some of those requests because you are in a position of power you have something he wants yeah also not to you know wish any bad on anything but like he's your stepdad like some you know god forbid like you're they get a divorce and he's not really in your life anymore and then you look back and and you've got these great memories with him. But like your dad is always your dad and he'll always be there. And I just think having him, it means so much to him right now. And I think later in life, it will mean so much to you.

Yeah. I appreciate this perspective. My gut tells me if mom wasn't guilting you and if you didn't feel bad of hurting step dad's feelings i feel like you want to ask dad but you're worried about other people's reaction is is yeah is what i'm what i'm hearing from you yeah like taking all of them out of it like even taking your dad's request like removing all the history and all the context like just for this thought experiment like what would you want? Like what would feel good for you

when you like step out and your maid of honor goes before you and then it's like, okay, it's your turn and you're about to walk down the aisle. Like who do you want next to you? Or do you want someone next to you? Yeah. Well, I feel like my dress deserves a moment.

So I like initially want to step out, be like here I am. But then I think I would like, like my dad to walk me the rest of the way. Your dress will still have a moment even if there's someone next to you. My vote is have dad walk you down the aisle and then split your father-daughter dance in two. Yeah.

And have them just pass you off. It's your wedding. You know the fuck you want. And then I think you go to stepdad and you sit him down assuming you asked dad and you say, hey, listen, I know this means a lot to you. And I'm sorry if this hurt your feelings, but like, you know, I do love you. You mean a lot. And this is something I just want to do because I know it's, it's my dad.

And I don't, I don't think you need to throw it in his face. And you could just simply say, well, I know it might've been silly for you. It was meaningful to me that you were by my side and it was also quite honestly meaningful in the wrong way to my dad and i just this is something i want to do i hope that you accept that i would love to still have a father daughter dance with you as well as my father and i hope that you will accept i do still think regardless of what you decide, you should still take advantage of this opportunity and set some expectations with dad and hopes of saying, if you want this, this is what I want from you.

Okay. I mean, this all sounds logical to me. It's just been so hard for me to think through it. Like clearly, you know, because there's so much, there's so much childhood baggage,

but it's nice to get an outside opinion and be like people who don't have any skin in the game well the most important part you already answered because regardless of what we think or mom or stepdad or dad you already answered what you would do without anyone else's opinion and so don't discount that that's that's really important and everyone else should be fine and mom might like chirp and whatever and but like you know yeah you're gonna unfortunately because of the way that everybody has like made their opinions known in this situation someone's going to be slightly disappointed initially like someone is so i think first and foremost even though it's frustrating like like letting go of the expectation that there's some way that you can play this where nobody's going to be disappointed because someone's going to be a little bit disappointed and they're adults and hopefully

they'll be able to like handle that disappointment, get over it in a few days and then show up for your wedding with their head well rested after months of time to be excited about a father daughter dance or excited to walk you down the aisle and prove to you why they want a relationship with you. Like, I think it's just like, I think maybe you have this impossible standard that's preventing you from making a decision. And I think just saying you're going to disappoint someone, that's not a failure on your part. That's a like indication that people have competing needs. That's really tough. And I think the sooner you kind of set yourself free from this debate and this minefield to trying to figure out how not to step on toes super hard, you'll get to enjoy this day and like reprioritize your needs.

Yeah, no, you're right. I feel like I just need to make sure I'm absolutely certain before I communicate it to my mom. I don't want her to then say something that'll make me feel like I need to go back and reevaluate, which. make me feel like I need to go back and reevaluate, which, so I've stopped talking about it altogether to anyone because I'm just like, I need to be certain for myself before. And I just feel like everybody's trying to persuade me a certain way. They certainly are. I don't think you need to make any decision before you sit down with dad. Maybe he'll say something that will change your mind. I think it's a huge red flag if mom's the one who changes your mind.

Like the fact that you can say, well, I don't want to say anything in case my mom says something that changed my mind. You're admitting to yourself that your mom has the ability to essentially manipulate you into doing something you don't want to do. Let's not let mom do that. You're an adult, you're 29, and you have the right to say, mom, I really appreciate your input. I love you, but please don't make me feel bad for doing what I want to do on my wedding. That's not fair. Okay. That's not okay.

And I'm asking nicely. Next time, I won't. I'm just going to be mean. Or I'm going to cry. I'm going to have a breakdown. And I'm going to be mad at you. And I don't want to be mad at you. And I don't want to think of you as someone who's causing stress during my wedding.

I want you to think of someone who's just adding to the happiness that is my wedding. Weddings, man. I swear to God. This doesn't have to be stressful. You just have to be good at not letting people guilt you and manipulate you. And quite honestly, if there's some deep rooted things going on with mom here that she has a lot of power over you, then that gets into a whole nother ball of like me just wondering why that could easily have played a role into why your dad, you and your dad's relationship took a backseat. Because if you're,

if your mom is that, you know, has that much hands on and that much, like quite frankly, control over you and the ability to guilt you into doing what she wants, then I'm just saying that's not a coincidence yeah definitely right so all right well you have our answer all right well good luck certainly keep us posted we are going to hold you accountable so we'll be following up letting us know yeah with your dad let us know how it goes with dad

okay thank you so much i really appreciate it oh thank you good luck congratulations and happy So we'll be following up, letting us know. Yeah. With your dad. Let us know how it goes with dad. Okay. Thank you so much. I really appreciate it. Oh, thank you. Good luck. Congratulations and happy birthday. Bye.

Bye. All right. Well, glad we solved that problem. We're back. All right. Vanderpump. Before we get to what's going to be next for Vanderpump season 11, we have yet to get into Raquel's weird throuple comments. And she seemed fairly earnest.

I think she just needed a way to be with Tom. And if it wasn't going to be with just him and her, she was just going to settle for Ariana to be involved. But she needed to be in a relationship with Tom. But doesn't that in some way out Raquel for the Tom being in an open relationship comment, which Raquel and Tom vehemently denied, right?

The accusation being that this whole, like Raquel told Sheena that Tom told her that Tom's in an open relationship. So why would Raquel even have the thought that a throuple was a possibility if she didn't think Tom was in an open relationship? I think there might be two separate things. A throuple is still defined. The door could be closed with three people in the home. I get that, but I don't think Raquel's that sophisticated. Oh.

You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm not even trying to be a dick. I'm just saying, like, open relationship throuple, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I'm not- I think that they might

be different in her head. I think they're the same. I think she thinks they're the same. I think it's her outing herself that she definitely told Sheena about the open relationship comment and her kind of answering andy's question about like hey were you open to it and her being like yeah like

totally i mean i would like i think you're right i think she would have done anything to be with with tom well because she even the way she described it was i love ariana as a person but i'm in love with Tom. There was no even kind of slight. And, you know, I'm slightly attracted to Ariana. It felt like truly it was just how can I get Tom? She said it as if like she expected us, America, to like be like, oh, yeah, I know. What a tough dilemma you're in.

Everybody wins. I believe that had happened. Boy, boy, like, wow, I just can't, like, oh, man, you're in love with him and you love her? Like, what a bummer. No, but it's, like, so sweet because she, like, wanted to date Ariana too. She didn't want Ariana to be left out

of her own life partnership. Oh, my God. And instead of sleeping in the guest bedroom, they'll all just share one big bed. Yeah. I wanted Raquel to give me more of a reason to think there's hope for her. And I'm not, you know, if you're listening, Raquel, if you're out there, I haven't given up on you. I agree.

You know, I really, I haven't. I think Raquel can find some good in herself and for her future self. I don't think Tom Sandoval can. I don't think he can. I don't. Yeah. Second time, third time. I mean, millionth time cheating in general, but like on a longtime partner.

Yeah. And so it's like you. How many passes in life do you get to be a good person? It just continues to lie. Every opportunity he has to clear his conscience or make people somewhat on his side by at least telling the truth, he doesn't do it. He goes on the Howie Mandel podcast. He says the first night when he was locked out, he and Raquel just sat out in the backyard and talked for hours. We see in the show that the night he was locked out, they had sex in her car and then Ariana let him in the front door.

He's like, he just continues to lie. He says he didn't sleep with anybody else. When Kristen Doty was here, she said that a day or two after Scandival came out, he had a show and he went home with a groupie and slept with her. Right, it was hearsay, but... We're keeping up with you, Tom!

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I definitely believe Kristen over Tom, but yeah, no, I just don't, yeah. I don't, i don't um unfortunately i think if the only way i could see life changing is if he got sober i don't think he will do that i think he among other things he has a horrible relationship with alcohol and i think he's got a wicked case of peter pan syndrome and like he's refused to grow up and he finds constant things

to like numb out or to find comfort in the moment instead of actually like dealing with his shit and trying to work through it and he just like spends time hurling at other people well yeah and this is like his his his justification is this whole like i'm sorry but like i'm human you know like i just we just let feelings take over we weren't trying to make sense of it we're just like feeling and i think he just like dude we're not all on mushrooms right now why are you talking to us like we're on mushrooms can we go hang gliding babe i want some quality time yeah i know it's just like yeah yeah people make mistakes but like they they actually when they when they hurt people they actually try to actually make amends

not just like say i'm sorry but you know they actually want to people who are truly sorry want to do better and and hold themselves accountable and account for their sins and make amends with the people they hurt and not you know and take their beatings so to speak when we think about any version of Tom Sandoval appearing

in the next season like it's hard to imagine and what apart from Schwartz, when anybody would interact with him. But I did see a really interesting theory. Talk about your theory. Okay, well, this was this is not my theory. This is someone else commented on our YouTube episode with Amy Kaufman, LA Times journalist, very interesting episode on Lala. But they were like, I wonder if they would film at Schwartz and Sandy's instead of Sir. Because we've also seen, you know, unfortunately RIP to one of Lisa Vanderpump's restaurants.

And I thought that was a really interesting way of keeping Tom Sandoval within the show is if they did start filming at Schwartz and Sandy's, maybe we get like Brett. Ah, my good friend. Or like, you know, maybe we start to get some young blood in the franchise of like those people. If Tom, ideally

Tom Schwartz is fucking one of his employees like ideally for drama purposes obviously i still don't see any of them supporting their business i don't see any of them walking into the front door of that place when me and nick told katie maloney that we went to schwartz and sanyas for research research she was disgusted and she was pissed she was like you did what like she was like what like why we're like it was for research it was like school project she was like oh okay but like

we hated every second of it I swear sorry mom like no no no we and we vandalized it and we put like rodents in the kitchen and like pulled her up in all the bathrooms we threw up everywhere it was so gross I flushed several tampons down every toilet women's and men's I flushed it with my foot, too. Like, I broke the handlebar.

I sat on it. Yeah, I mean, I agree with you. I think many of the cast will object to that because I'm sure they would be disgusted and frustrated with the fact that, in a sense, they would be rewarding Sandoval by promoting his business and having it be a fixture on the show.

I mean, more people would go just to see if they could be put on Vanderpump Rules. But if that is the only way, I mean, at the end of the day, the show will go on. I think Tom Sandoval will be the first one back. I think Raquel will have. I don't know if she'll come back back i don't know if she will she has no friends and i don't even think sandoval is like really there for her yeah she even said in the in her last interview six days later he's the only person i have and i think i might lose him if i say these things because this was the storyline we agreed on and now I'm kind of going behind his back

saying all of this. Yeah. I was proud of her for risking it. If there is an ounce of humanity in Tom Sandoval, he will not shame Raquel for doing the right thing. You know he already has. She has gotten so many rage texts

and the poor girl just got out of a mental health facility. And you know he is blowing her shit up being like, how fucking dare you? you know he is blowing her shit up being like how fucking dare you you know he is yeah probably yeah so it's like is there any version considering like the dumpster fire clusterfuck that we've been left with like is there any version of season 11 where sandoval or kel participate like if you're the producer sandoval's gonna participate for sure how though like no one's gonna do scenes with him apart from schwartz right and then would people do scenes with schwartz like i feel like people would unionize and be like if you're gonna do scenes with sandoval we're not doing scenes with you i think that's a bit blown over proportion to be honest i i really think

i i do i think these people are professionals they are in the truest sense of the world reality tv stars you know they're not reality tv contestants They have been doing this for a decade. You know, this is ingrained in, like intertwining with their real lives. And I think they understand they kind of have a job to do. So I think they will say, you know, what they probably really feel,

which is they want nothing to do with him. And certainly Ariana might truly, like refuse to film with him or associate herself with him. But I think if nothing else, they will begrudgingly do it only to create the conflict that we will we will enjoy watching what if they are like so sorry like sandoval and raquel they're both coming back everyone like you don't have a choice you have to film with the both of them what if ariana is like then i'm done with vanderpump rules because she really doesn't need it at this point i don't think

vanderpump i don't know what would the producers that's an interesting card risk losing ariana to have the two of them yeah because i don't think she'd be afraid to be like, then I'm done. Well, and we actually talked about this last episode with, with Amy, you know, and like all these opportunities that, you know,

Ariana is getting. And I kind of suggested that like, you know, if Ariana, this, this is a moment for Ariana. And if she truly wanted to like level up, I think she would have to leave the show.

You know, I think there's, hey, I'm going to stay on the show and I'm just going to take what I can get while I can get it. Or does she use this to like if she, let's say, wanted to focus on acting, I don't think she could stay as a star of Vanderpump while like go out for it. It's it. I think it would be in conflict. I mean, she was at the White House Correspondents Dinner. Yeah. Like, she doesn't need

Vanderpump Rules anymore. To be fair, though, she was there with two other Vanderpump people. Sure, but I think they got invited because of Ariana. If this was ever a chance for her to leave the franchise,

it would be... Right now. Right now. Yeah. But what does she want to do? I wonder if the only version i could see is potentially if something about her the sandwich shop like to be there to kind of show herself as a business owner i still don't think i agree with you that like she's probably better

just like using this as the beautiful springboard that it is but you make a great point though like would that be kind of like leaving katie behind maybe not. I don't know. I mean, something about her doesn't need Vanderpump Rules. Maybe Ariana could be more like a Charlie, right? I don't know. Like maybe Ariana just kind of comes back here or there, but she's kind of doing- She's graduated. She's graduated.

She's doing other things. Yeah, I could see that. Yeah, I don't know. The guy she's seeing is in New York. He's a New York native. She just, she's selling her house in LA. What if she's just like, you know what? No, like I'm done with LA.

I'm done with Vanderpump Rules. Like I'm going to, this is my New York era. Yeah. What if she has a New York moment? I would love that for her. I would too. I would hate to watch the show without her, but I would love to see her blossom.

She could appear on some New York Bravo shows. She could go to Summer House. Okay. Go to the Hamptons. Way to throw in a little Rinchie. Those little girlies. Isn't Schwartz doing Winter House? He was on it last season.

He was on it with Tom Sandoval. They went on together? Yes. It was very weird. And they went on right after katie had told tom that she wanted a divorce but he wasn't telling everyone he wasn't telling anyone uh but he told the cameras they let him do little confessionals and he was like yeah so the thing that no one knows is that katie actually asked i always love it when people on reality tv do that

no one knows this i'm like you're literally telling yeah yeah like now they do yeah that's out of the bag okay all right I don't know any little thoughts shout out to the production team at Vanderpump rules they

did some good work their editors have always been fucking phenomenal it's one of the best edited reality TV shows I think in the game. They're really close to Ally and her sizzles. Aww.

They could never. No, they probably could. Stay neck and neck. We appreciate it. You're a unique talent. You're a once in a generation talent. Once in a generation. It's time to say goodbye to season 10 of Vanderpump rules. That season.

Honestly, I am so relieved. I am over it. I wish everyone to move on. I think they're all over it. Yeah. You know, like time for a time for the bachelorette,

which by the way, next week we're going to do a part one of the Bachelorette Men's Bios with friend of show, Elise Guilfoyle. Love her. And we love her commentary on all things. She slays. She slays. She slays.

Natalie Joy and Elise will be with us. Not the government. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. Not the government. Now my fiancee called me by my government. Kind of hot. What? Kind of hot. What? You called me by my government. Not the government. Now my fiancee called me by my government. Kind of hot. What?

Kind of hot. What? You called me by my government. Name. I don't even know it. My government name. Gotcha. Yeah.

Anyways. That's the first time I've heard this. I'm going to come clean. Do you want to take it back? I'm not up to date. Is this the government? Is this like... What is that?

Why do I sound like I'm 40 million years old? Government name. But do people say my government all the time? Or are you innovating? You do that on TikTok. No, I feel like that is a thing. I think you're innovating. Am I innovating?

Good for you. Everyone's going to tell me I'm not. So I'm just not going to read the comments because they're going to be like, I didn't come up with that. I've seen it 500 times before. Okay. First I've heard it. I don't know where I heard it from.

I feel like I have just started saying it like I do with a lot of words alright well we will be breaking down the men's bios having fun with their photos and their fun facts about themselves that will be next Tuesday on Freestyle

part one oh and then I'm going deeper next week we have Danielle Fisher-Karp from Boy Meets World also I think a big Bachelor fan just a general reality TV fan I'm sure we'll get into all her her guilty pleasures

and catch up with her see what's going on in life with her lots to get into with her also if you are starving of Vanderpump content don't forget that we will be recapping All of Vanderpump Going back to season one On Vile Files Plus So be sure to sign up for Vile Files Plus

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This would be an audio only sex tape. And I am aware. I understand the assignment. That's all I need. It's all I need. Alright, anything else? Oh, by the way, we have an episode of Better Date Than Never tonight. We're talking about

one night stands. Or seven month affairs, because apparently it's really easy to confuse the two. Yeah, there we go. Check us out live tonight, 9 p.m. Eastern. We will see you there. It's a ton of fun. Make some friends. Bye.

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