The Viall Files - E596 Vanderpump Dust Up & Bachelor Bios with Eilise Guilfoyle Part 1

Episode Date: June 13, 2023

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Freestyle Edition! Today we are joined by friend of show Eilise Guilfoyle and our Pop Culture Correspondent Natalie Joy to break down the first half of the Bachelor Bios for the upcoming season of The Bachelorette. Who is vying for Charity’s heart, what are their fun facts, and who do we immediately see as final rose material? We also dive into the Vanderpump Reunion aftermath, and what’s been said since the explosive third part of the reunion episodes.  “Why does Chris look like my server at Olive Garden?”  Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes. Join us for our new LIVE show on Thursdays at 9PM ET/6PM PT on Amp, available in the Apple app store. Android User? Listen here: https://www.onamp.com/  To Order Nick’s Book Go To: http://www.viallfiles.com  If you would like to get some texting advice on Office Hours send an email to [e-mail] with “Texting Office Hours” in the subject line! To advertise on the show, contact [e-mail] or visit https://www.advertisecast.com/TheViallFiles  THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: June’s Journey - Can you crack the case? Download June’s Journey for free today on iOS and Android. Juneshine - You can buy 1 JuneShine package and get the 2nd for only a penny ($0.01). Go to https://www.JUNESHINE.com/VIALL and text them a photo of your receipt, and they’ll Venmo you immediately. It’s that easy!  Paramount Plus - Reality ain’t so bad. Paramount Plus. Streaming now.  Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @itseiliseguilfoyle @nnataliejjoy @alison.vandam @liffordthebigreddog @dereklanerussell

what's going on everybody welcome back to another exciting episode of the vile files freestyle edition what's going on, everybody? Hope you're having a great day wherever you are or however you're listening to us. We appreciate it. The household is with us. Amanda, Allie, and Derek are all here. We have our pop culture correspondent, Natalie Joy, with us.

Yeah. And friend of show, a special guest returns. The one, the only, Elise Guilfoyle is with us. It's really an all-star cast. The energy is high. We're excited to be with you. Today, we are going to be breaking down the bachelorette bios of all the basic men vying for the hearts of charity.

A lot to get into. This is part one, by the way. There's so many ordinary guys to cover. And so this will be a part one, obviously. And then we'll part two it next week. But let's just for just a quick moment, just catch up with our dear friend, Elise. Elise, what's going on?

What's new? What's cracking? Oh my God. Just living my life every day. One step at a time overall. Yeah. So that means not much. Right. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Natalie actually saw me this morning, uh, having a man pay for my meter because, um, my actual gorgeous puppy dog, Franklin Doxon,in, who we love, did bite my credit card. So that was good. How often does that work for you? Just like get people to pay for your stuff?

Pretty much every day. Can you imagine? I just feel like at Starbucks, I'm like, I'm so sorry. I literally like, and it's also like my dog bit my homework. Like my dog bit my actual one form of payment. That's so crazy. it's so weird oh my gosh but i venmoed the man you did venmo him i did venmo him because like that's very nice did he accept your venmo he was like you don't know me it's two dollars but like i i was you know i

can't be that person who's like no no no i get that. But he must have allowed you at some point. Yeah. I scanned his code. Yeah. What's his name? Shout out. You. Yeah, just find him. At him on air. Everyone send him a dollar.

Send this man. No, I'm a little disappointed in him. Armando. Armando. I'm disappointed in Armando. He could have refused your payment. I mean. At least it's real pushy. I did see it. Oh, sure. But he could have been just payment I mean because if this is one of those like I did see it

oh sure but he could have been just as pushy back yeah but it could have been like literally it's too much work to pull up my phone go to my Venmo app he had it right there it was like he had it tattooed on his forearm I would have refused I would have been like no no no I'll just just pay it for him yeah well you know

I wanted I'm glad I could just be like it's also a thing being like trust me I can pay for the meter. Right. I have money. I was like, I'll bet you $100. Thank you. Like proof it to you. So but shout out to Armando. But it looked like some sort of like scary situation. Like Natalie walked up and was like, everything OK? Like, hey, what you doing, girl? I was like, go inside.

She's walking further away from me with this man. I'm like, no, I'm here. They're holding hands. Like, yeah, they're right behind a bush. I'm like, let me go, baby. Thank you, Armando. It was great seeing you again. Yeah, bye, honey.

Have a good day. So it was great. So yeah, that's how the morning started. Just like another day in the life. But other than that, life is good. Yeah, how are you guys? What's happening? We're just thriving, crushing life, I guess.

Just taking over the podcast world, just pumping out content. Natalie and I in love. God, let's make out. Disgusting. Yeah. God. I thought maybe you'd just be perched up on that man's lap. I was going to.

Yeah, she's asked. Yeah, and I could just kind of lay down this way. Go horizontal for the day. I get a little claustrophobic. Yeah, that's correct. could just kind of lay down this way go horizontal for the day i get a little claustrophobic yeah i would love to be if i could which i know is probably i have two ways i could do this one is probably not as accessible uh i would love to be inside of his skin you know what i'm saying which i feel like maybe like what's your attachment disorder yeah but then i feel like what i i could just be like in his pocket and he could just I could just be, like, in his pocket.

And he could just, I could just be in there. You're small enough. You know. I love it. Just let me hop in. I'm so small. I'm minuscule. And I just hop right into that pocket.

Yeah, do it. And I don't, yeah. Yeah. That's a dream of mine. Yeah. Like a front kangaroo pouch. Yeah. Like, you know when you kids stand on your shoes and you, like, walk with them? Yeah. Like a front kangaroo pouch. Yeah. Like, you know, when you kids stand on your shoes and you like walk with them.

Yeah. Like that, but for adults. Correct. Or like the babies like that goes in front of the straps. Would you want me to carry you around in like a baby pouch? Did you not do that at stagecoach already? Well, that was on the back. That was on the back.

Yeah. And. That was due to necessity. That was. Not for joy. I don't think nick has recovered from i was in survival mode yeah i did always think that would be so safe to be a baby just kind of like on someone's front of them that would be really nice i think for me i always have

wanted to be pushed in a stroller but i do feel like being strapped to someone's and just being free is nice yeah you know bring back the wagon i feel like wagons were a big thing when i was a kid and they're gone and you could get an adult in a wagon no problem i've fallen off of so many wet wet way back i've gotten off of a little wet wagon you've fallen i have fallen a radio flyer though like the ones that you probably grew up with i feel like the ones now are like industrial like they are thick plastic they are big they're so dangerous not no not the ones these the ones i was playing with how were they dangerous just whip them because we put them yeah you just like get in and then you start like pulling people and the shit that our parents had us do as kids everyone i know had their arm broken like a lot of my friends had their arm broken because

their dad like threw them in a game like i literally had my arm broken because my dad like in not an abusive way threw me like across a couch oh my god because we were playing like and not in a fun way which i got a fun funny in a fun super not abusive way we were like all jumping and then he would like toss you onto the couch i think he like missed or something and i literally like broke my arm and then it was like so bad yeah oh my god i can't even imagine and then like i was saying that to one of my friends and they're like oh my god my i broke my arm because my dad was tossing me around i'm like what was happening oh my gosh but now it is that I think all dads like to toss the baby in the air type of thing. Yeah. I think...

How old were you when this was happening? This was last year. Oh my God. No, this was... Yeah, really young. I think maybe like seven. Well, you know how parents

used to do the thing where they'd like swing you by your arms? Yeah, like a one, two, three, wee. I used to do that with my parents and then one of my friends when we were little got her shoulder dislocated.

So my parents said we can't do that anymore. By looking at it, you would think that would be what is going to happen 100% of the time. Yeah, these little arms and like...

And the force of... Yeah. Yeah. Who would have thought? Have you broken a bone? No, I've never broken a bone. Never broken a bone. I have never either.

I used to wear braces in school though just because I wanted to... Would people sign them? or on your body. No, like the ones from the grocery store. I want like little like ankle bracelets and I'd like have to perch my leg up in class. I'd be like,

yeah, I actually, Oh my God. Yes. You liar. It was more just like kids would do that. I needed, it was probably like third grade.

I do remember like fantasizing about having a cast or being on crutches. it's literally like that who's that um stand-up comedian we we were watching who was talking about whenever a grandparent dies and you like are in school and you get so much yeah that would be that i told everyone that my mom was pregnant because we would write i went to a really small school so you would write cards which is like kind of really weird i'm like maybe women didn't want all these like 11 year olds writing a card when they're like just found out they were pregnant but whatever and so we would all write cards and i got real mad that you know my mom was never pregnant even though i have four siblings so she was plenty pregnant but you're the youngest i'm the middle so but in my time i guess whatever So then I had told I told my mom or I told my teacher that my mom was pregnant and everyone in my class wrote my mom a card.

And and I thought that was really cool. And then in the car pickup line, I think my teacher was like, Suzanne, congrats. My mom was like, Elise is a pathological liar. I was like, sorry. Can I read the cards? You're like a midway through opening that. I remember in like the first or second grade, like me and this kid named Shane decided to tell our entire class and our teacher that we were brothers and from New Mexico.

Yeah. And the New Mexico part key. Yeah. And we were like, yeah, no, we're brothers. Yeah, totally. And we're from New Mexico. And we never really got called out for it. People were like, okay.

I guess. I wanted my name to be Bridget so bad that I told everyone my name was Bridget, but I just went by Natalie. Just like a short name. Just a short name is Bridget. My family just pulled it out of Bridget. So then I started writing like, you know how you'd like bubble letter your name on like a piece of like copy paper you know yeah I would do that and I would

write Bridget Natalie I always wanted people to call me Ellie like I wanted that nickname to catch on somebody be like yeah everyone kind of calls me Ellie anytime I meet anyone new and it was like no one calls you I literally my email was ellie it's like dude it's not gonna catch on which sometimes i have old accounts like hooked up to my very old email which was at cox.net do you guys know that cox so my email was sweet ellie at cox.net which just really which now it's out there so i guess hack that but yeah like giving very much porn star vibes yeah truly sweet ellie wow at cox.net it's not even a dot com no dot net dot net of course like a hot wire hot net whatever those were yeah well before we get to bachelor bios anything we need to uh

well i think we need to get some vanderpumpump stuff to dust up on any kind of like residuals from the fallout. I did see, we talked about this a little bit on Pop Extra, Pop Off, our wonderful weekly pop culture variety hour, which is essentially everything we didn't get to in Bio Files Classic. That was last Friday. But Tom Schwartz did a podcast. Oui. Yeah. Oui.

I think some people made some comments about like they had more empathy towards Schwartz regarding because it sounds like he's got some family dilemmas going on. Tragically, it seems like, you know. His dad had a brain bleed. His brother was diagnosed

with testicular cancer. Yeah, like horrible. It sucks. That's a brain bleed. His brother was diagnosed with testicular cancer. Yeah, like horrible. It sucks. That's a bummer. But at the same time... I don't... Can you use different words to explain that? That sucks.

That's like a bummer. What do you want me to say? It's heartbreaking. It's terrible. It's awful. It's awful. It's just like a bummer that your brother... Holy shit. Another Tuesday. It's awful. It's awful. It's just like a bummer that like your brother. Holy shit.

Another Tuesday. Oh my God. It's like you just got like turkey instead of chicken on your sandwich. And you're like, that's kind of a bummer. I guess, yeah. I'm a heartless king. No, it does suck. It sucks.

It sucks. But I just, here's the thing. Better. Better. Yeah, you're getting better. Perfect. Yeah, that was good. For this next take.

Can we try? Clearly, it worked for you guys. I guess what I'm saying is I wanted to hear Tom talk about, obviously, he's involved in a lot of scandal, I guess, you know, regarding his relationship with Katie and that fall out the treatment of Katie throughout the season, which in some regards, you know, as much as we love, you know, Ariana and Scandival, it's like, I feel like Katie's moment was almost kind of swept away by all of the Scandival of it all. And kind of like how, you know, this was, I felt like season

10 started with her kind of like kind of standing up for herself and like the relationship that she was begrudgingly and like forced to like ask for divorce. Like she didn't want the divorce. It was, you know, it's a very sad situation where you're someone in a relationship who like loves your partner and wants to make it work. And you're just like, just fucking try, try. Like Katie was that classic person who finally got tired of doing a hundred percent of her half and like 20, you know, 50% of their partner's half and shit like that. And despite Tom Schwartz's Schwartz is very like tragically family, family problems. I feel like he didn't really totally address like the whys behind some of his decisions. I know he talked about being like maybe guilty of like looking

the other way, but he still knew like he knew about the one time hookup. And I just feel like he didn't really address like those situations in full. I feel like he left us wanting more. I was a little shocked that Andy didn't ask any questions about knowing. question about knowing yeah i mean like we know that the video that was found on tom's phone was filmed in schwartz's bathroom at his apartment or was it joe's bathroom we will never know i think they shared a bathroom that apartment did not look like it had more than one yeah i just i just kind of want to know more about like is he really done with sandoval like is this a situation where schwartz is going to use this as a platform for change in his life in terms of how he evaluates his friendships and things like that

like here's the thing though he has a tom schwartz has a track record of of standing up for his boys no matter what you know and not even his boys like how he played pickleball with randall and lala was like what the fuck yeah like can you not do that like you're not even his boys, like how he played pickleball with Randall and Lala was like, what the fuck? Like, can you not do that? Like, you're not even friends with this man. I'm not trying to have a lack of empathy for his family's situations. I just like sometimes people will use other things going on in their life as a scapegoat is as terrible as it is that his family is going through this. It doesn't like explain why he did or didn't do certain things. And

especially as a guy who does have a track record of, because Tom was basically saying, well, hey, listen, I got a lot going on. I can understand that. My mind's elsewhere. I understand that. But he still has a history of doing this shit, which is like standing up for his boys or not defending, you know, the people he should be defending and keeping secrets and things like that. So it's just more like, yes, it sucks that you're going through this. But I'm not left with thinking the next time this happens in the situation, is he going to do anything different? I don't know.

Did you get that sense, Allie? I feel like we're kind of on different pages of the Tom thing, because I feel like for me, he is not. He's never been the type of person to even speak honestly or openly about anything. Sandoval, he's always been the cool, chill, fun guy. So I was impressed even by his language of looking back. You know, I should have maybe even given him an ultimatum. Like I should have kind of like made him say something and so maybe we wanted more from him or we wanted him to fully say as you said like this is a opportunity for change i'm cutting him off i'm reevaluating my life

it's also tom schwartz so like we got to start somewhere and i don't i feel like for me it was a bit impressive that he even addressed it low So you just have low expectations of him as a human. Correct. Yeah. Or I just assume I want him. He's always going to be the guy who never wants to step on anybody's toes. So the fact that he's saying he left me with a mess that I had to clean up. I can't come back from this. I haven't talked to him in months.

Yeah. But that's kind of the problem. It's just like he doesn't want to always step on any toes. And he's now learned that like in life as an adult, like not wanting to step on anyone toes. Sometimes you step on the toes of the people you're supposed to protect the most. That's kind of the the big thing here. This is why he has gotten so much heat for some of the choices he's make in his interpersonal relationships of like backing the wrong people. Well, that's what he said.

He's like, now it looks like I'm an accomplice. He is an accomplice. That's the thing. He keeps saying, it looks like I'm an accomplice. He knew that they hooked up. He said it was a one night stand. Fine, but he still kept the secret. And here's what doesn't track.

It's not like they hooked up and never talked again. They hooked up and then clearly Sandoval and Raquel were inseparable in so many cases. So he knew about the one night stand. And then he saw his best friend and raquel just constantly hanging out and that didn't like put up any alarm bells he also like to go along with what you're saying he also in those scenes was like oh i think you know raquel has a type like y'all better watch out like taken guys like he was saying shit like that and i think they did ask andy did ask him that

like i think it was just like subconscious like i i couldn't help myself and and even the like after mexico trip where they're standing at yeasty boys like by the house having that breakfast i think raquel really likes you or something or he was saying i don't know it just feels like she has a crush on someone else yeah yeah i guess someone else. Yeah. I just think being a friend, especially as an adult, is knowing when and having that difficult choice of holding your friends accountable and having tough conversations. And Tom Schwartz has a history of not doing that. He has a history of just like protecting his boys and their secret no matter what and prioritizing that. And like, I'm not convinced that that's going to change i feel like if he lived somewhere else it would be so much less of an issue like in la people are up to stuff and

that's not to say there's not people who like cheat on their girlfriends or do other fucked up shit other places but in general like i think there's just so many like ulterior motives or like ambition and like the sort of this facade of like niceness and mutual respect when a lot of times it's like a mutual like using one another i hope i'm wrong because like there's a he is a charming motherfucker and i think he i think he does have a good heart i do i do think he means well i do i just think it's one of those things where like it was way it was way more charming when he was 20 i think this whole situation has been extremely eye-opening for a lot of people in this group and I think a lot of them will change the way that they hold their friends accountable or even like Ariana how she can decipher between who's actually her friend yeah the good person who has good character because like what kind of swept under the rug

too is like that whole like Sandoval dressing up as raquel for halloween and i think ariana has since admitted that she knew that would upset katie and yet kind of did it anyways that's that those are rumors that are uh have been floating out there i don't know but it's a it's a real doozy i just feel like you put that dude in like a neighborhood where like all the kids are friends and anyone can like kind of like show up in the door. No, you want Tom to go back to Woodbury, Minnesota. That's where he's from. Yeah.

You know what I mean though? But like his sort of like the more the merrier. Everything's fine. Like you put that like a dad with like some neighbors coming in the door. He's a great barbecue dad. He's a great barbecue dad. I think he would flourish. Yeah.

Cold as sack. Oh my God. And his other friends are barbecue dads who set a good impression, like a good example for him. Like then he thrives. He just needs friends who aren't like don't have a history of his like other friends are barbecue dads who set a good impression, like a good example for him. Like then he thrives. He just needs friends who aren't like don't have a history of his like best friends are all a bunch of fucking like dirtbags, cheaters. And, you know, like Jackson Sandoval, like these guys like have done some shit. Yeah. And I feel like what I've heard from Schwartz and people who have been around him or worked for him or been friends with him people describe him as this guy was never meant to be on reality tv he's just he's just a

normal midwestern guy who kind of got swept up into it and like he's just not built for it he's been doing it for 10 years so i i kind of slightly roll my eyes like i get what they're saying but he has nevertheless been doing it for 10 fucking years so the whole like i don't know what i'm doing kind of like i mean good for him for like continuing to like convince people that he's just like this reluctant reality tv star but he is a literal reality tv star who's been doing it for 10 years at least what do you think yeah so i'm super invested in on this. No, I don't know anything about the drama as of late because I'm not a Vanderpump person, but now I'm diving deep into it because I need to be a part of something. It's like in your 20s and you don't want to be the first guy of your guy friend group to like get engaged or move out if none of your friends are doing that and so it's always kind of hard to be that guy who's like I'm going to be mature like I love this person that I'm with and I want to be the first one whatever I feel like he's kind of acting

like in that vein with these boys and like backing his boys when like at a certain point in adulthood and if he's 40 then maybe that's the time to like actually hold people accountable because i would understand a little bit more like i i feel like that 20 something age you're kind of learning that and you want to be a part of the group and whatever but that's kind of the energy it's giving me where it's like if you're 40 years old you you kind of know better and the yeah he's been a reality i've only heard of this man in the reality world so the kind of the minnesota vibe like every year you're getting asked if you want to keep doing the show and you're like yes yeah so that's what i'm saying it's just like i you're right i've heard that from everyone but it's also

like he had so many he still does it yeah and so like if this isn't for him he might not be built for it but he's still showing up. He's still showing up. The checks are being cashed. Quite literally. Kind of in the reverse direction. I don't know if you guys have been watching the most recent season of Kardashians, but there's kind of this interesting moment where Kim was like, I'm more of a lights off kind

of girl, like talking about what like in her personal sex life, her preferences. She's like, it's so weird. I can like walk out of a photo shoot with a hundred people working on set I can walk out in a thong but it's like if you're there with me I'm like wait don't look at me turn the lights off and so it's kind of interesting like seeing how it is really like a different skill set like kind of having this like outward facing persona and then like what energy you bring to your personal life and it just I think it was so interesting having like Kim Kardashian who's like I don't know just like the sex symbol of our

generation like hearing that like reality does that resonate with you guys or are you like oh I'm for sure lights off all the way off so a scale of 1 to 10 not even like a little night light in the corner with clothes on and lights off scale of 1 to 10

and it's one of those like you can dim lights so basically 10 is like all the it's one of those like, you can dim lights. So basically 10 is like all the way up. Right. Yeah. Grocery store. Yeah. Grocery store. And then zero pitch black.

Where, where you're like looking for. Yeah. You can't find it. Do you like a little, like, that was meant to be echolocation. That is not an orgasm noise.

I just want to be really clear. Very cool. Very cool. I loved that. That was like the orgasm of a puffer fish so ellie you're a zero no i mean i don't want to like not be like i don't want it to be like the middle of the night yeah you're like you just feel their breath yeah not that much but i did date someone who was like fully lights on like very into that

and i was like this is not gonna work like no he also insisted he like wanted me to make eye contact with him as well and i was like we can't like you're like personal connection i'm just like i can't do this i um dated a guy years ago oh please say more oh my god no years ago literally it was years ago and he's nasty you are so amazing and nothing anyways um that's what i need every time my boyfriend brings up anyone literally give me 14 compliments before you're allowed to talk about it like i want you to project up on it and then continue the story actually actually no but i am like uh i'm like a mid right i like a little like mood lighting but like also do I do want to see your face um and this man Nick knows about him because he would always wear a hat

never the hat would never come on ever ever but like the back of it like he looked like he had like a lot of hair you know it was a lot a lot back, you know how guys kind of have like the- Did you never see his actual head? Well, and so, yeah, I, for a long time, did not see his head and I just was like, he loves,

would fuck with a hat on but then, he wanted lights off completely, right? He didn't like, put off any alarm bells? Well,

he wanted the lights off, for sure. He wanted lights off. You guys are talking about having sex with a hat on. No, no, no, it would like start with a hat and then he'd like get up and like, he'd like lean over, like turn the lamp off. At no it would like start with a hat and then he'd

like get up and like he'd like lean over like turn the lamp off at any point would he like backwards had it yes yes but then but then you know i lived in an apartment i didn't have curtains it was a little like moonlight was coming in yeah and um he had taken his hat off because he was like oh it's like pitch black in here and in the moonlight you saw in yeah and um he had taken his hat off because he was like oh it's like pitch black in here and in the moonlight you saw in the moonlight i saw the moonlight glistening off of his bald head yeah yeah completely but he had some at the back oh my god so much in the back it looked like he had the fullest head of hair and i was like he just loved dress but his head yes oh my god and then i started like i didn't say anything and then like in the morning he'd

stay over in the morning he'd immediately put the hat on and then we'd go out to dinner and i'd like maybe get up before him and i'd start seeing it through like the mesh of the hat so i started paying attention to it and i was like this were you ever just like hey babe all good like feel comfortable but it wasn't all good no it was very much all yeah yeah because it was definitely like self-conscious well yeah but it's also like don't wear a hat all the time and make me think that you have this beautiful and like that's really it's kind of like hat fish you no yeah so many men that wear hat like i think you can really tell from the guys that wear hats all the time and god bless them because you, they're probably just really insecure about it.

It's about bald kings. They need to be respected. But yeah, there's something about it. Listen, like, don't. We talk about upfront expectations on the show. Upfront expectations. Tell me how much hair you have. Yeah.

Just like, don't disappoint. Yeah. Don't half-fish me. Don't half-fish me. Did we just coin a phrase or is that out there? Did we? I mean, I love the fact that you're about to get it on. And he's like, oh, no, it was literally him like about to go down on me, which I'm not

even the biggest fan of. And that's when I like look down, saw it and immediately was like, oh, my God, I have to go to the restroom. And it was done. And I was like, I'm going to go to bed. Like I was turned off. It just like, don't do that to me. Don't make me think it's what I also feel like the difference.

I feel like the hair at the back makes it worse because it's like when guys are proudly bald or don't have that much hair and like you know what i mean and you know that's what they look like but the hair in the back for me would be the yeah the issue yeah like mr clean and then there was like four hairs at the front right here it was just a bad situation and i really do hope know, I really hope he's well. I really do hope that he has grown a little more hair and some options. I hope he is taking some, you know, Nutrafol. OK, I didn't realize there's a girl on TikTok who does those toupees. Have you seen this girl? Yes.

OK, I didn't really know that like having a toupee was I don't know. Like I mentioned this to my friends and they were like, yeah, because it looks like these men look 80,000 times better when she put it, like she's amazing. It looks like their real hair. And I was like, okay, so that's like a really good solution. And all my guy friends were like, Elise, that's like not a cool thing

to say you have a toupee. But I was like, I kind of think it's fine. Like it looks like their actual hair. It reminds me of the Jim Jefferies. Should you wait for everyone or wait for no one? I was like, is that fine? Like, I was like, oh, my God, these guys look so great. And I was like, for sure, get a toupee.

But again, you would have to maybe you have to tell the person if you have hair extensions, I think. When you have long hair and someone's like, oh, my God, I love your hair. You're like, thanks, extensions. Yes. Or like, I love your dress. You're like, it has pockets did you ever i don't know if you've done any wedding dress shopping at all no i haven't started it was so weird because like yes pockets are a good thing but like in your wedding dress that's not like

gonna be a selling factor for me that it has pockets and my sisters both of them when they went wedding dress shopping the women would like they, they'd be like, oh, I love this or whatever. And they're like, and number one, it has pockets. I was like, what are you putting in the pocket on your wedding day? I have a good shift. And she was like, that, like it was a major, or my sister would be like, yeah, the dress is okay. Just, and she's like, but did you need the pockets?

And it's like, why is that the selling point of this? Maybe it's not a good dress if that's the selling point. I was like, do brides really care if it has pockets i don't know do you really want to carry your phone around yeah like i'm like how many pockets are that's my number one question i want a cargo wedding dress the more pockets the better on my big day it's like what i was thinking like how funny would it be if you invite if you made like the most random person one of your bridesmaids like i think about these are like the ones that i think about like if you just randomly said to like an old neighbor and you're like just was thinking about you

will you be my friend because as the person receiving that you'd have to be like yes but you'd be like what the fuck like how why how did you come about me? Did you just send this to the wrong number in your contacts? Like, it would really make you feel like that person, like, you don't know their friend's situation. You'd be like, oh, it's bad, huh? Yeah. Yeah. Like, me?

We had that one conversation. Okay. Yes. And then you have to, like, go to all the stuff. Literally. Isn't it a big culture of reciprocity with bridesmaids? Like how much of a faux pas is it? To be someone's bridesmaids and not reciprocate?

I always think of this. Yeah. I don't know. I feel like I am kind of in that circa mode. I was this girl's, my like high school bestie. It was the high school friends. And we were like three years ago, I was her bridesmaid.

And now we like live across the country and like don't really talk that much. And now it's like, I don't even know. It's very normal. And you can blame numbers. That's kind of a thing. You can throw someone a bone of usher or personal attendant. Like usher.

Personal attendant. I think you blame me. So my sister's personal attendant, Rihanna, freaking nailed it. I literally asked Rihanna if she'd be my personal attendant because clearly I'm so close to getting married. She fucking nailed it. She was like there because she had gotten married. So she knew the whole process. She had my sister's bag the whole day with like touch up stuff and whatever.

She was the one throwing the veil up for the photos. She was holding girls bouquets while we were taking photos with her. She switched out her shoes. She helped her pee like she and her mom bustled her dress took off her veil redid her hair like they nailed it lady and waiting yeah oh i love that that's awesome yeah and that is very meaningful because then you actually get to spend a lot of your like their day you're there peeing with them yeah yeah some of the few moments where they're not like oh my gosh what i learned from rihanna if you have a train on your dress when you need to go pee,

you'll obviously always need someone to help you. You pee the other way. So flip your body around so the train's going that way. You live reverse cowgirl-it. You're like that English teacher who like spits the chair around, like sits on his like show, Gatsby. It's your wedding day. Yeah. Wow.

Personal attendant. I didn't know that was like an actual role, but that makes sense. Anyways. So light, like a four. At least, what are you? I probably like a little mood, like a mood lighting situation. Maybe a little darker than lighter. I like put on a little orange light.

I have that like little cute mushroom one that every bitch has from Urban Outfitters. Very hot. But from outside of my place, it looks like I'm having like a seance or something. But yeah, that's kind of where I where I'm at.

Wow. Nick, what are you? I like to see. Nick's like school lighting. I don't I don't want like a spotlight. But yeah, I think we're

on the same page. Nick has flashlights on during the interview. This is actually the same setup that you guys have. Those minor hats. That's his hat he puts on. Natalie will turn off the lights full black

and I just click my hat on. You mind if I put my headband on? You guys have this lighting setup in the bedroom. He brings them home. It's basically like our studio lighting. Derek's there. He's controlling everything.

I got a whole team. He's like, can you clap once? We good to go, Derek? Perfect, perfect. You just don't know, we don't know when we're going to need

a sex tape to revitalize our careers. Correct, correct. So we're just like banking a lot of content just in case. Right now, things are going well.

You don't always know. There's a looming recession. Yeah, you just never know when we might need to distract people. Go ahead and drop that. Yeah,'s a looming recession. Yeah. You just never know when we might need to distract people. Go ahead and drop that. Yeah. Yeah.

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what's Charity does Charity have her own bio I mean I know she was the wonderful suitor of she's 27 27

who is she courting oh yeah Zach forgot already forgot it's so weird because he's so memorable

yeah a one of a kind Charity a child and family therapist from columbus georgia go him yeah go niper okay what is what is charity like looking for when it comes to love she is searching for a life partner who loves dogs thrifting and a good tailgate but above all else is honest empathetic and values her for who she is with parents who have been married for over 47 years charity has been instilled with the confidence of knowing what she deserves and is eager to find a lasting love matching their

example all right cool brag 47 years very chill wow yeah 47 years. That's a long time. They've been married for 20 years when they had her. Yeah. Holy shit. Impressive. Wow. They really took their time to travel and do all that stuff. No, they really did. Yeah.

I'm assuming the youngest of how many. She has an older brother, which we know shows up night one and like weirdly pretend. For her love? It's kind of weird. Yeah. Like out of the limo? He shows up. He and like weirdly for her love it's kind of weird yeah so out of the limo on charity's hometown you know he you know he was the brother that kind of you know was america's sweetheart for that episode and they had charity and her brother had like a very bonding kind of like big brother moment very cute and then the producers decide to say hey let's pretend that you're gonna fuck your sister night one and show up and get out of the limo as like a spy i mean i'm kidding about the fucking the sister part but he does a clear line he does pretend to be one of the men and he

wears this like weird clearly fake you know wig and mustache. Which is in no way movie quality. Yeah, right? Wait, so does she immediately know it's her brother when he gets out? She knows. She's in on it. The men don't. So it's like to see when they think no one's watching, are they going to say some fuck shit? Okay, that's actually

maybe kind of fun. I thought he was coming out of the limo and was like, hey, really nice to meet you. And she's like, you're so familiar. What is happening? Yeah, that's sick. But that makes sense. So anyways, we got Aaron B.

Aaron B is a software salesman from San Diego. They love a good San Diego connection. They love a good software salesman connection. They're really pulling from the roots. Aaron B taught himself how to play the violin and piano. I'm sorry. How good is he at either? He's so terrible at both.

He's played once. It's like, I taught myself how to play. I don't ever play for anyone. But I did teach myself. Yeah. He can play chopsticks on the piano. Kind of hot, also. Is it? Maybe. He can play chopsticks on the piano. Kind of hot also. Is it?

Maybe. You can play chopsticks? If a guy busted out a violin and serenaded you, like how, panty dropper? A violin is like, I would imagine hard to play. Oh, it is. I would agree. Thank you. Thank you. I played in the fourth, fifth, sixth, and seventh.

I played fourth through eighth grade, progressively got worse. Oh my God. Okay. So hot for you. Yes. You're like, so yes. and seventh I played fourth through eighth grade progressively got worse oh my god okay so hot for you you're like so yes they just kept putting me

in back you know and so they're just like you keep moving there were literal times in like what is it called

like the concert or orchestra I don't know but I'd literally pretend to play no I did the same thing I played the flute and I would hear my violin

you're like the girl on the cheer squad that's not very good. They just keep moving you to the back. Just sidestepping. And if you just move further to the left, you'll be behind the curtain. The second most interesting thing about Aaron is he eats peanut butter straight from the jar. Whoa, crazy.

Which I do. I would argue everyone does. Everyone who eats peanut butter eats it from the jar. Yeah. If you like peanut butter, you've eaten it from the jar. You've had a spoonful. Everyone who eats peanut butter eats it from the jar. Yeah.

Yeah. If you like peanut butter, you've eaten it from the jar. You've had a spoonful. If you're taking a spoonful of peanut butter and putting it on a plate and then taking a fork and eating the peanut butter. That is not okay. It's giving psychopath. You're being wasteful. Yeah.

But okay. Aaron B. is. Svexaphobic. AKA scared of wasps. Specific. Oh, me. I love wasps. But not bees? What? Just wasps? Wasific. Oh, me, I love wasps. But not bees?

Just wasps? Well, I feel like they're meaner. Isn't it like when bees sting, they die, but wasps can sting unlimited? I totally get that. Sting unlimited. But are you literally not afraid of bumblebees? And you're like, oh, fine.

No one likes them. And also, can you discern between a bee and a wasp in real time? That's a good question. After his last long-term relationship didn't work out, Aaron B. is excited for the chance to fall in love again. Okay. So he's got some long-term relationship. He's got baggage.

Former football player. Okay. In high school or what? Yeah, literally. Is that all it says? Because I'm a former volleyball player. I'm a former badminton player. Violin player. I'm a former violin player. I'm a former violin player.

I'm a former violin player. Okay, Aaron B. Aaron B. And what are we, just general thoughts? He's cute. I like a software salesman. What about them? I like a salesman. Like, I think that people who are good.

Yeah, specifically that. They're always very, like, personable. Yes. You know, I love that. I feel like they can get along with a lot of people. They can talk to a brick wall. Yes. Yeah, like, the conversation will not be awkward with them.

Yes. Usually, I think. They know how to bam. Unless it's Nick. Yeah. And then it's terrible. And then we have another Aaron. Another Aaron.

Okay. Firefighter. Okay. Okay. we have another Aaron. Another Aaron. Okay. Firefighter. Okay. Potential murder vibes. Here's my issue with the photo they selected. You can only see his arm on one side. Why is he grinding his teeth? You can only see his arm on one side, so it looks like he ripped off one of the sleeves

of his long-sleeved shirt. It does look like that. I swear he's getting whiter by the second in that photo. Like, it's giving Edward Cullen. He's fading into the backdrop. Does he not have American Girl doll teeth a little bit? Oh, yeah. Oh, my.

We are merciless. Poor Aaron S. He looks like he's grinding his teeth. Just a couple disclaimers as always. We don't know these people. We're just having fun. If you're listening to this and you're Aaron S., it's fine.

Let it roll off. These photos are not ever good, really. Go look at my photo. No one has a good photo. Yuck. Also, another guy from San Diego. It's so funny because obviously there's like a really bad rep with San Diego boys right now. And I was talking to-

Specifically because of The Bachelor? Or just in general? I think so because it's like all, that's where all of like- It also is where Bachelor alumni will go down to, to party because like Bachelor Nation apparently runs deep and they don't get the validation that they like love to get at the bars here because there's like too many people who like, I don't know, I guess are like mini famous, but like down in San Diego. Like, yeah, it's like their Boca Raton, like they retire there for like a peaceful. They're rock stars in San Diego. So but I heard that a lot of Charity's men are from San Diego. Which is what I hear,

a red flag. Does San Diego just dip in population when they're casting? Literally. The streets are empty. It's like those college towns where during the summer their population... There's like a Coachella where they're filming. There's like a tumbleweed. I only like that for the there's at least hopefully a chance to get some organic drama because then

ideally there might be some overlap. Maybe people don't like each other. Maybe someone knew about someone they hooked up with or some fuckboy reputations, yada, yada, yada. I'm so sorry. Aaron is a real life Superman? He's a firefighter. Okay.

I think that's what that's about. A hero. Praying he didn't write that himself. I mean, listen, we love our firefighters and thank you for your service, but like, that's not the same as real life Superman. Yeah. Aaron S.

is looking for a future wife who can help bring through his tough exterior. I'm envisioning like a woman like Taylor Swift in her music video just busting through a wall. Yeah.

My sister's ex was a firefighter and he was a degenerate gambler. I wouldn't call him a real life Superman. Well, maybe Aaron S. is a hero. Maybe we'll hear some stories

of his firefighting. Right. This dashing firefighter describes himself as a loving partner with a mysterious side. You can't describe yourself with a mysterious side. No. People have to describe you as a mysterious side. He's like, I'm charming, but I'm kind of mysterious.

I'm just like, when people do this, like, I have secrets. What if like the producers were really trying to get something out of him and he was just like being

an iron fortress and they were like, okay, he's mysterious. Moving on. But it's self-described. That's not okay. That's tough.

That's tough. Yeah. Well, maybe he describes himself as a loving partner. Aaron S. definitely talked to in the third person. He says, he says you know aaron's just having a bad day yeah yeah yeah aaron s's favorite holiday is anyone else's birthday okay that's awesome and

lovely that is i love that i do love that that what a great answer i rolled i was like at least i had such we're like like I just threw it in my mouth but I'm glad you guys like it I'm just like I'm the cynic who's just like he thought of something nice to say

that's like a Tom Sandoval answer he's got a target on his back as far as Elise and Allie and I are concerned but he he better be

everyone's biggest cheerleader because if not I'm gonna call bullshit on loving everyone else's birthday he better never get jealous of anyone else getting a group date rose yeah also the i think when you say that sometimes it could also be the vibe of like on your birthday you pretend you don't want anyone to do anything for you but really you get upset when no one does anything for you it could

be a little bit of that yeah birthdayss are vulnerable. Like anytime someone tells you they don't care, even if they truly don't, they need attention. Aaron says this because he wants everyone else to give a shit about his birthday. So everyone else's birthday, he's just there showing up, throwing him a surprise party, whatever, because he's just want someone to remember his. Also, his favorite movie is Austin Powers Groovy Baby. No, wait, Austin Powers. And then he says Groovy Baby. No, wait. Austin Powers. And then he says Groovy Baby, right? Or the editor was like, very cool.

Also, he likes his fro-yo delivered and heavy on the toppings. No. I'm sorry. That poor door dasher. Delivered? No. It's melted. Isn't this a frozen dessert? Frozen yogurt.

Fro-yo. You're up against the clock with something frozen. You're going to do a heavy on the toppings which are typically have to be delivered in individual things oh really you better tip well sir yeah maybe he does he could like be the best guy ever or maybe the worst guy ever is kind of the vibe that's basically kind of everyone everyone yeah yeah but i think there's a specific kind of like outdoorsy insufferable that he might fall into or he's like very in tune with the norphans all the time and like bopping and vibing. His ideal first date is gross.

I mean, it's not gross, but I don't. There's a lot of shit on here I don't necessarily believe. His ideal first date. Watching the sunset over the ocean on a cliff with a blanket and some music. I get that sounds wonderful. Yeah. Is it like, is it Duff? This doesn't go well.

Does he throw him off? But like, no. Who's ever done that on her first date? He's going and getting drinks down the street is what he's doing. He's going to coffee. We're all doing that. That might be like a dream of yours to do that. Dream.

You're not doing that. Show me a romantic. Like, yeah. Tell me about a, show me a, like, yeah, tell me about a romantic ideal date, not your ideal first date. Yeah. Yeah.

All right. You better show your location if you're meeting a man. He's upselling. Really? The mysterious thing is the thing that throws me off the most

because it's like, if you're already telling me you have this mysterious, like, hard shell to crack, I'm like, I'm out. You're mysterious

and you want to go on a cliff? Yeah. So, and you've been with sharks? I'm out. I'm done, I'm out. You're mysterious and you want to go on a cliff? Yeah. So I'm out. And you've been with sharks? I'm out. I'm done, buddy. Sorry. Need a break from reality?

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Adrienne. Adrienne. All right. 33, Realtor, North Ridge, California. Okay. Something about this photo is like he was right about to ask if he could go to the bathroom the moment before it was taken. He kind of looks like he has his hand extended.

He looks unsettled. He's in movement. Is this your ex, Natalie, with the head? Yeah. He's just now it's all gone. He's lost it all. Yeah. All right.

What does Adrian do? Adrian's a single father. Oh, love. With a big heart. Immediate win. The caring family man comes from a blended household with seven step-siblings. Whoa. Adrian is a believer in true love and wants to find the right person by his side to build their empire, share experiences, and grow old together.

Power couple. Adrian is most proud of his personal health journey, having recently undergone a huge fitness transformation and is now a personal trainer helping others reach their health goals. Charity, we know you're looking for a husband, but do you need a spotter too? Oh, God. Is that with it? Oh, my God. Well, that's not his fault. Someone else wrote that.

Wait, I kind of love this man. I do too. He loves Topgolf. Which is, yeah. So fun. Yeah. Yeah. His fun facts.

He loves Topgolf. If Adrian could have any job, he would be a culinary traveler. Yeah. His fun facts. He loves Topgolf. If Adrian could have any job, he would be a culinary traveler. That's not a thing. Is that a job? No. Police. Immediately. Immediately.

I actually hate him. I hate him. No, but like, yeah, we all want to be culinary travelers. Like, what does that mean? I thought it was going to be like a chef. Well, it is. I mean, it's literally a dream job. Yeah.

Fair enough. Maybe you like write to magazines about it or something. Trying to find a money-making culinary blogger. Yeah. In fairness to Adrian, they did pretty much ask him about a dream job, which I'm assuming you're not going to pick something that feels like work. Salesforce. Salesforce.

In college, Adrian majored in criminal justice. Okay. I like him. I like him. Okay. Go, Adrian. Go. Go, Adrian majored in criminal justice. Okay. Okay, I like him. I like him. Okay. Go, Adrian, go. Go, Adrian. Okay.

Brayden. Okay, he's 24, first and foremost. Oh, no. He's from San Diego. Travel nurse, San Diego. It's like travel nurse, hit. Yeah, it's like 24, hit. San Diego, the necklace, the one color scheme.

Why did they let any of them wear white? I'm really confused. It's a pure white background. And they're like, everyone, everyone join in. You can see his face floating. He's fading away. He looks like an angel. Like on a TV show with a low budget.

No, he does not look like an angel. He's like fading into heaven. It's giving the good place or something. Oh no, guys, just wait for his bio. His fun facts. or something. Oh no, guys, just wait for his bio. His fun fact. Brayden is a hard-working, romantic and funny

as he is handsome. Now again, are these his words? Or his mom's? The travel nurse has big goals for his future but says there's one major piece missing from his life and I wonder if that's a wife? Health insurance.

Joint bank account. Brayden has been in serious relationships before, but is excited about this unique opportunity to date Charity. When Brayden loves, he loves hard. Oh, thank God. And he is ready to put it all on the line for his perfect match.

Brayden is hoping his future wife is honest, adventurous, and most importantly, will love his dog, River. Of course his dog's name is River. Yeah. I know like 14 dogs named River. Yeah. As do I.

Brayden loves a good cigar lounge. Okay, so he's a cliche. Brayden is not into meditation. Okay. No, no, no, no, no. I don't want to relax. What a weird thing to say. It's so bizarre. Can't you just be net neutral about it? It's like, you know, I, no, no. I don't want to relax. What a weird thing to say. It's so bizarre.

Can't you just be net neutral about it? It's like, you know, I haven't done it. You know, it's not for me. Not my thing. Easy peasy. He's not into it. Fuck no. He is anti-mindfulness.

It gives him the ick. He's like, babe, I'm going to meditate. He's like, I'm going out with River. I'm not meditating with you. Where's my cigar? Raiden is looking for someone to teach him how to salsa dance. Okay. Can't he just take a class then?

Literally, I was like, go on YouTube. Get a group on. There is that woman that teaches all different types of dance online. I've tried to watch her to learn how to move my hips. Literally before an event, I've watched her. For dancing purposes? Literally just to go out. I have no rhythm.

She goes like, and she does it so good she does it so good so easy and she's like now just add and she goes in if you want to go a little crazy you put your arms up and i'm like girl slow down oh my god so cool wow you should just watch her so i'll send him her link he'd her. It is very vulnerable to watch How to Dance videos on YouTube. I remember distinctly a woman who was like, single, single, double, double. That's probably her. The homecoming dancer. That's probably her. Single, single.

Dude. Brayden's got some. Brayden. Brayden's been flagged by the system. Not going to win. Brayden just reminds me of someone that I'd match with on a hinge So far, do we have any frontrunners? I don't feel like we have

Adrian Our very first man, Aaron B I think came out strong Charity's 27? 29? 33? Our next man, Caleb A Hello Caleb I like the sweater A resident physician

Ann Arbor, Michigan? The sweater's giving Ann Arbor Hey, hello, Caleb. He seems nice. I like the sweater. A resident physician. Okay. Ann Arbor, Michigan. The sweater's giving Ann Arbor. For sure. It is. Smarty pants. It's giving Coastal Cowgirl. So he's a doctor, right?

Resident physician? I think like when you're a resident. Yeah, the doctor is in. Caleb recently completed years of medical training and is ready to turn the page on a new chapter and focus on finding love. Currently working 80 hours a week. Oh, not anymore. He spends his days turn the page on a new chapter and focus on finding love. Currently working 80 hours a week, he spends his days off

unwinding on a hike, catching up with friends and having a relaxed night in a movie or takeout. He describes himself as dependable and a great listener who wants his partner to feel understood and supported outside of having a family someday. Caleb's other dreams include building his

own house. He's literally McDreamy from Grey's Anatomy. Owning a home to continue developing his hobbies. We don't know if he's Neuro. We don't know if what? The building a home thing. It might say in his fun facts, no? Alright, fun facts. What is his residency? He has a pet salamander. That he refuses to name until the right one fits.

Okay, Kylie. Okay. That is so funny. He's like, nope, that's not it, We'll try again tomorrow. Do you believe that? Mander. No, can't call him anything. Yeah. What's his name?

We're not sure. He's like eight. It's either a very funny bit that he's kept up or he's crippled by decision fatigue at all times. He's indecisive, which is not a great quality to have in a doctor. No. Yeah. He's like, I don't know what we should do.

I don't know. Let me think about it. I'll get back to you in three months. He loves picnics. Okay. And his guilty pleasure is, quote, trash pizza. What makes pizza trash? Like Little Caesars, I'm guessing?

Right? I do love that. Hot and ready? Like any kind of, really. Pizza sounds real good right now. Really? Yeah. Nick and I are really picky. We're pizza fans. I really picky really yeah but i i just like yeah i like any pizza i'm more burgers i'm like really a snob about burgers also snob about burgers okay so just snobs about everything yeah crazy perfect yeah yeah low stakes yeah we're very judgmental and picky what's your favorite pizza you guys like John and Vinny's? Ours. We make our own. Make our own, but John and Vinny's is good.

What kind of crust do you guys use? We get the dough at Eataly. Okay. Love Eataly. He rolls it out. Put it out and we eat very thin crust. Very thin, flaky. Dusty. Dusty. Flaky.

The dustier the pizza, the better. We actually bury it for a few years. There's a crunch. And it becomes a powder. It actually becomes a powder. All right, let's move on from Caleb the doctor. So Caleb B. From Caleb A to Caleb B.

Why do it look like he's teaching retreats somewhere? Caleb looks like the guy in the Geico commercials. Pro wrestler. Like the caveman Geico commercials. He looks like a caveman. He's a pro wrestler? Yeah. That tracks. He has a pro wrestler face. He's looks like a caveman he's a pro wrestler yeah that tracks he has a pro wrestler face he's wearing like a pitbull chain like that is not the chain of a man that is a chain of a dog well he's a he's a pro wrestler i'm guessing not wwe like pro wrestler has like

their kind of underground yeah like the minor leagues literally they do they absolutely do and he is derrick is nodding his head yeah so we know he's like yep because isn't wrestling also like it's a big like the performance of it all like you sell it you have a character so i feel like he's gonna be a big personality yeah he looks like the guy that wrote walking in memphis charity's gonna hate him and he'll be gone by week three after having done something ridiculous yeah he's gonna jump in i want him to, for his entrance, scream and he's already on top of the mansion and Trudy's like, where is he?

And then he body slams him. He's going to show up in his pro wrestling outfit, his character name, for sure. Yeah, he's a villain in wrestling. It says he might be a villain in the wrestling ring, but he couldn't be more of a softie in real life. He's a heel. All right, Professional wrestlers

may seem tough, but he's a romantic guy who wears his heart on his sleeve. Based on these bios, who isn't wearing their heart on their sleeve? Yeah, and who's loving soft? They're all loving heart. Yeah, if you don't wear your heart on your sleeve, why are you on The Bachelor? Wait, correct me if I'm wrong, but do you think that if you were

a villain in wrestling, and then you went on a show like The Bachelor, and were very talking about your feelings like that probably wouldn't be good for your wrestling? Your wrestling brand? Yeah. Like it's the same as like guys who play football. I wanted to ask my boyfriend in high school to homecoming like at the halftime and he was like, don't do that because I don't think they want to like break that exterior kind of thing. Like I think this would be maybe bad for his brain i would argue there are some men who will avoid talking about feelings like the fucking plague so in itself that could be his villain persona is like the dude who makes other guys talk about their feelings and like get deep and be like what

does your inner child think about this yeah he just makes them cry yeah can't control himself around donuts okay okay oh one time even carved a heart necklace out of seashells. The hot tracks. He wants to get his paralegal certification. No, paragliding. Very different. Close? Similar?

Same, same, but no. I can't read. Yeah, he makes a cowboy hat. Paragliding. Looks good. I mean, not to be dark, but like when i was on anti-season um that's how eric died while we were filming what someone died died well he had left the show and then in between filming we found out he had passed away from a hang gliding accident oh my god

that was filmed on the show or that it was extracurricular uh them letting us know he had passed away was filmed in the show it was fucking tragic yeah oh my he was a world traveler and and uh i think it was maybe what is paragliding compared to he was he was yeah he like ran into a mountain paragliding you're on the back of a boat right and you're oh no oh wow so you're yeah paragliding is more of a parachute

situation where hang gliding is more of a kite anyways just be careful yeah oh my god be careful Caleb B okay next

uh wait what about his fun fact he's like we already read about he likes a cowboy hat looks good okay he makes a cowboy hat

look good that's a bold statement that's a very that's you're taking some liberties because like cowboy makes a cowboy hat look good. That's a bold statement. That's a very, you're taking some liberties. Because like, cowboy hats kind of just look good on their own. Aren't cowboy hats

make bald guys look good? I think they make guys with hair look good too. True. But like, but cowboy hats are the ones doing the work and he's trying to take

credit for the hat. Yeah. He makes, I can make a beret look good. You do that, I'm impressed with you, sir. But like a cowboy hat, easy. Yeah, right? He's like I can make a beret look good. You do that. I'm impressed with you, sir. But like a cowboy hat? Easy.

Yeah. Right. He's like, I make a fedora look good. You've piqued my interest. Tell me more. I make a top hat look sexy. Okay.

Okay. But like a cowboy hat? It's just like, I make a guitar look good. You know, it's just like, no, they were like,

that's literally the invention of why they made guitars. So you could look good. Just hold this. You know? Anyways, we have Chris 27 years old, world record jumper? How is that paying the bills? Like a high jumper or a long jumper or a triple jumper? Scroll down.

Why does Chris look like my server at Olive Garden? Like recently? No, just a server. Just in general. My guy. My guy at Olive Garden. He looks just like him. I have to sit in a server. Just in general. My guy. My guy at Olive Garden. He looks just like him. I have to sit in his section. I sit there.

He's not there. I'm leaving. Chris is a man who lets his passions lead him. This former small town football star is looking for the perfect leading lady to match his big ambitions. So wait, how is he a world record jumper? He'll do anything to be the best. And that's proven by his two

Guinness World Records. One for highest standing box jump and the other for highest standing backflip. That is for sure his intro. I am actually really, that really impressed me. What do you mean highest standing backflip? So like, where you go, you stand and then you go from. And it's high.

And it would be, I would imagine, the highest. Is he jumping over a stick by backflipping? I think he's just doing a backflip, but he's getting real high in the air. And then how do we measure that? He's jumping over some sort of... Guinness World Records has measured. Like a limbo stick, but he's jumping over it rather than going under it.

I am always impressed by people that go to Guinness World Records. Set that up. It's a lot of... This guy has a stick. Tyson Edwards back in 2015 had a stick. Like a javelin. What is it? Like the vault with the javelin?

What are you Googling? World record highest standing backflip. And it's like not Chris. It's someone else. He just full lied about that. Don't look that up. Shut your laptop. Stop talking about it. It's someone else. He just full lied about that. Don't look that up. Shut your laptop. Stop talking about it. Not at work.

I was the guy. Just trust me. I changed my name. Oh, yeah. There's like a stick that he has to back flip over. Chris's favorite sport is dunking. Okay, Chris, not a sport, but that's just a guy who like, hey, I can jump. So you guys want to dunk?

Oh. Yeah, a bit of a one trick pony so far, Chris. That's not like something anyone else can do. So he can jump. He also likes to go apple picking in the Chris. Yeah, that's not like something anyone else can do. So he can jump. He also likes to go apple picking in the autumn so he's really just like jumping. He can jump to get apples.

All of his stuff that he enjoys doing involves jumping. He loves going to libraries and picking up the books from the very top. Every single thing. He's like, okay.

He loves to drink wine and binge Grey's Anatomy. Okay. Okay. Okay. Moving on. Well, interesting, Feller.. Okay. Okay. Okay. Moving on. Well, interesting, Feller. Thank you, Chris.

Thank you, Chris. These are interesting looking guys. They're not your traditional handsome men. They're all ugly. I'm just saying there's not a lot of pretty boys yet. Or there's not a lot of photogenic boys. Because sometimes people are like their movers. These are much higher quality photos than they used to have.

But you're right. These photos are notoriously poor representations. Stiff sometimes. Anyone want to take a shot at this? Dotun? Dotun? Dotun? Dotun?

Dotun. D-O-T-U-N. Integrative Medical Specialist. What the heck is that? Google Integrative. He's from Brooklyn. They work with all the members of your healthcare team to heal your mind, body, and spirit. Charity's gonna love that.

He's gonna get in a fight. He's gonna do a grounding exercise. He's gonna get in a fight with the meditation boy. Yeah, the guy who's hating meditation. He's from Brooklyn, New York. Love that. He's a full package and he's ready to find his person. He comes from a big Nigerian-American family and moved to the United States as a child. He describes himself as open-minded, full of love, and the best listener.

Okay, I like that. The integrative medicine specialist has a zest for life and even once went on a spontaneous 45-day trip around Europe. Spontaneous? Rich. Why did he do his laundry? Rich. Also, I'm sorry. So you have money.

So you have money. Okay, perfect. Or you have a breakdown. You know what I mean? That's what I would do if I had a bad, if I had a breakdown. But you still have to have money to have that breakdown. Not necessarily.

Yeah. God, I would love to just have a breakdown. Hostile, sir? Yeah, backpack and hostile it. He's hoping his future wife has the same love for adventure and excitement for the little things like he does. Charity, get ready for the adventure of a lifetime. I mean, that matters.

With Doughton. Doughton. With our sweet Doughton. Doughton's terrible at movie trivia. He don't know a lick. He really don't know about the movies. He don't know nothing about no movies. Doughton would love to be the head of the

CIA. Oh my god. That's like kind of a process, by the way, Doughton. Also, not a spy, like admin. You know what I mean? You want to be the organizational leader of the spies. He doesn't want to kill people. He wants to order the kills. Yeah, he wants to run a

meeting. So maybe he'll be stirring the pot in the house. Yeah. Loves his air fryer, which I'm going to be honest So maybe he'll be stirring the pot in the house. Yeah. Loves his air fryer, which I'm going to be honest. We bought used ones. Lazy. I feel like the air fryer is just fine. Yeah. People have been people really hype that up for me.

And then I got one and I was like, OK. No, my dad loves. He's like, baby, make fries. Anything. Fries. Just like you'd get them at Chick-fil-A. I'm like, why don't they taste the same? Why don't I just go to Chick-fil-a and i'm like why don't they taste why don't i just go to chick-fil-a yeah like right down the road right down the road well he doesn't loves his okay thank you moving on james he's an attorney from chicago james looks

like uh that logan kind of not really but he looks like he is the treasurer. He was the treasurer of his frat. Yeah. But he has kind eyes. Did they ever put height on this? No. That would be helpful. That would be helpful. Yeah, but they're all tall.

Yeah. Oh, wow. Well, they're kind of moving away from the kin dolls. Yeah. So, like, maybe they're moving away from height. Oh, my God. Wait for the first line. That's part of the thing.

Like, we're just kind of looking at faces and that's the thing I think you meet these guys in person you all think they're better looking because either way they're 6'2 and you're just being 6'2 just helps it just helps

yeah you put this face on a 5'6 body and like he ain't getting laid and you can go ahead and quote me on that Yeah, you put this face on a 5'6 body and he ain't getting laid. And you can go ahead and quote me on that, buddy. Quote me on that. He's not making it to famous to sweet. There's some short kings who just have very pretty faces.

You put this guy on a 5'6 body? Get out of here, buddy. Don't sue him for being a total dream. Don't you dare. He's probably doing just fine because he's tall, I'm assuming't sue him for being a total dream. Don't you dare. He's probably doing just fine because he's tall, I'm assuming. He grew up on an apple farm. This charming attorney grew up on an apple farm? George Washington. He knows enough French to get himself in trouble.

What does that mean? He only knows atrocious swears in French. That is the weirdest sentence I've quite literally ever heard. He knows how to be like, you look like a cow. That's the only thing he knows how to say in French. The upstanding Midwesterner has an honest and straightforward approach to life. He's going to snitch on someone. He's going to snitch.

Oh, yeah. I'm just being honest. I'm so sorry. He is known to write his lady romantic love letters during special days together. So they're together. And he's like, sorry, I don't. I'm not going to. One sec.

And by the way, how is he known? Because I doubt they like interrogated like exes or his family. This is clearly coming from just, you know, like I'm known for just like it's this thing I do. Like I just write notes. It's just what I do. It's just what I do. He's like, I'm a lawyer. There needs to be a paper trail at all times. a paper trail Nick you're going to hate his first date

You can go ahead and read it Includes a trip to his family's farm For a romantic picnic Surrounded by blooming apple trees And Chris jumping in the background Is this a first date? Taking someone to their family farm Hey you want to meet mom and dad?

Maybe he is cut out for The Bachelor Yeah actually they'll love that Anyways he's an Olivia Rodrigo stan Hey, you want to meet mom and dad? I mean, maybe he is cut out for The Bachelor. Yeah, actually, they'll love that. Anyways, he's an Olivia Rodrigo stan. That's kind of weird. Oh, great. Legend. He's a 28-year-old lawyer.

Why is he Olivia Rodrigo? Because she makes great music. I don't think that's weird. Okay. He might have a younger sister who's like, Hey, listen, there are some bops. He has some bops. Isn't she like a teen? No, she's like 19.

How about you just take your Taylor Swift stand and call it a day? He's tried everything to convince his brother to get a tattoo with him, but still won't budge. Just go get it by yourself, dude. It's fine. No, I will say, I'm playing the long game with my brother and a tattoo.

We don't even have to get the same one. They will be coordinated, but not exact matching. dude it's fine no I mean I will say I'm playing the long game with my brother in a tattoo I've like really I've like we don't even have to get the same one they will be coordinated but not exact matching I've integrated it in with other interests well if that's the case

you just get a tattoo and he gets one just be like tell people we got it together me and my sister have matching tattoos that's cute what's the tattoo

it's of a wishbone and my sister like drew it and put little things on it oh that's so cute that's really cute that That's a really cute. That's cute. Love a matching shot. Because we both wish each other the best.

Isn't one of you, though, going to get the bigger? Yep. Perfect. I didn't think that through. No, we did. One of you is going to get the best. We did. It's not broken on our bodies.

It's still together. Joe. Joe. San Francisco. 32. Tech operations director he looks cute yeah I think he's cute

again let's assume he's 6'2 he kind of looks buff he's got like broad shoulders he looks like a football player the thing I get from him is that he like

holds a crayon with a fist you know and like draws yeah he's like give me that he's a tech operations director okay

Joe is an adventurous guy with a calm cool and collected personality He's like, give me that. He's a tech operations director. Okay. Joe is an adventurous guy with a calm, cool, and collected personality. I want one guy to be like, listen, I fucking hate adventure. I don't want to leave my house. Because that's honestly probably true for half these guys. There is a guy on this list when I perused last night who said that he, it might be him, who said he doesn't want to go bungee jump. Yeah. Yes, yesgee jump. Yeah. Yes, yes, yes.

Okay. Student of the show. Did your homework. Someone's doing bungee jumping. It's like when I'm ripping off my nails. There's nothing you can do to convince Joe to go bungee jumping. Not going to happen. Yeah.

Well, this guy is just daring the producers to have a bungee jumping date. And then basically dare him to have charity bungee jump while he just cowards his the best gift you can give him is a giant tub of peanut imminent okay does he freeze them though does he freeze love that about him why would you freeze the peanut ones nick nick wants any type of candy in the freezer chocolate i but i don't like wait you don't like them frozen oh my god anything you do you don't like them so it's crying you don't like them frozen he's a proud plant daddy well i respect that why'd you say daddy though no respects any any i'm in my plant era yeah uh plant era yeah uh proud plant yeah who's calling him a daddy himself i hope not right yeah god oh

no red flag his he's also known to tear up a dance floor to edm music festivals no how are you dancing kindly i'm out absolutely fucking not because that's like all actually elise might be built well for dancing at an EDM festival. Yeah, because I can't quite move my hips, but I can jump up and down. Not as good as Chris. But I'm known to. Imagine Chris at an EDM festival. He's just. Oh, my God.

He can pop himself right up to the front. Yeah. He's higher than the DJ booth. Literally insane. I just hate EDM. That's a personal preference. I do too. Yeah.

So any man that's tearing it up. Like, I like to hear you tear up the floor at like a wedding or something more than like at EDM that's a personal preference. I do too. So any man that's tearing it up like I like to hear you tear up the floor at like a wedding or something more than like at EDM but you know to each their own. I don't see charity being in EDM. No probably not. Yeah. Anyways good luck Joe.

We wish you the best. Joey. Joey. He's like a mashup between Greg Grippo and Tino. Oh my gosh. He's a tennis mashup between Greg Grippo and Tino. Oh my gosh. He's a tennis pro from Hawaii. Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh.

So he's got a little Jason in him too. Very cool. Joey's final two. Good face. Good face. If he was 5'8", 5'10", he still might get laid, right? Yeah. I'd give him 5. No, maybe not 5'6". That's enough. Okay. 5'6". 5'10", he still might get laid, right? Yeah. I'd give him 5. No, maybe not 5'6".

That's enough. Okay. 5'6". That's where I draw the line. That's my height. Oh, it's your height? 5'6". You wouldn't have a sex with a guy your height?

Have a sex. Would you have a sex with a guy? Just one sex. Yeah, just one. 5'6". I think my height is giving, I feel like we're in middle school and it's kind of like you're pacing outside of your van energy. Anyone feeling that?

No. I'm intrigued by the van. Okay. So, yes, I had a van in high school and B. That you drove personally or like a family vehicle? Yeah, it was my family van and it actually had the license plate ham girl because my dad owns a ham store and he's the ham girl so sorry maybe that's just an unlocked memory for me but um yeah like you know you're with your crush and i i'm feeling like you're

the same height there's one specific man i'm thinking of. I'm just picturing you on 10-2. Yeah, no. My dad's license plate was Da Ham Man. It was a whole family affair. Oh, my God. How do you just... Are you a big fan of ham these days? Guys, I mean, yeah, for sure. I can tell you...

Does dad still own a ham store? Yes. Can we plug? Honey Baked Ham, Roanoke, Virginia. What? You know Honey Baked Ham? Do I? Yeah. So my family owns a Honey Baked Ham, Roanoke, Virginia. What? You know Honey Baked Ham? Do I? Yeah.

So my family owns a Honey Baked Ham in Roanoke, Virginia. Okay. On Colonial Ave. That's the best kind of ham there is. It 100% is. So I literally was working at Honey Baked Ham since I was like seven years old. Do they have a website? Probably, honeybakedham.com.

They order catering from them, though. They do a lot of catering. But yeah, I could tell you literally anything you need to know about ham, No, come on. They order catering from them, though. They do a lot of catering. But yeah, I could tell you literally anything you need to know about ham because that's all we did. Where does it come from? So our, well, okay. I think ours come from West Virginia, but they're always fresh, never frozen. They're spiral sliced, hand glazed.

Get bone in, get boneless. Oh, sell it. Sell it. So yeah. Ham girl. That's me. Okay. Ham girl.

All right. Joey. Joey from me. Okay. Am girl. All right, Joey. Okay, Joey from Hawaii. So back to Joey. Joey, tennis pro. Love may mean nothing in tennis, but to Joey, it is everything. After graduation, this tennis pro quickly realized the corporate world wasn't for him and moved to Hawaii to live his passion of teaching his favorite sport. So he teaches all the wives at a country club.

Baby, he's a diehard Packer fan. Is he? Yes. Oh my god, we love Joey. Alright, Joey. An avid stargazer. And he's obsessed with golf and country music. Okay. Joey is the winner. Joey's the winner of... Okay. Alright. I hate him.

Where is Charity from again? Is she like a Southern gal? Yeah, so she'll love him. Love the Packity from again? She's like a Southern Zell. She'll love him. Love the Packer fan. Finished with John. Wrapping it up for part one. John, I think 5'8". Do we still have sex with John?

5'8"? How broad are his shoulders? He's a data scientist who's really smart. I don't know if I'd have sex with John now you're at 5'8 at any height

uh no is it because he's got the chin up look in his face I need to see his personality yeah I need to see him in action yeah

they should make these little photos like a quick video even a 5 second yeah yeah like a turnaround over the shoulder

oh like you know they have those at red carpets where it's like and then suddenly the camera slows down I would love one of those or that thing that spins around you yeah yeah like a turnaround over the shoulder oh like you know they have those at red carpets where it's like and then suddenly the camera slows down i would love one or that thing that spins around you yeah yeah yeah no we need we need them to slate like you would for an audition tape like can we see profiles can we get a fun yeah we get hands yeah put your thumbs together this one john is the perfect combination of looks and intelligence he works as a data scientist and

while john takes his career very seriously, he hopes his job can help him provide for a wife and kids in the near future. I mean, not so serious that he took time off to go on The Bachelor.

I always think that. They're like, their career is everything. But the resident doctor. It's like, hey, can I go leave to film a reality TV show? I always wonder that. I may or may not come back.

It just depends on how many followers I get. Yeah. When he's not crunching numbers, John loves reading the Harry Potter series, listening to Chelsea Cutler's music, and trying out new restaurants

in New York City. Who is Chelsea Cutler? I feel like I've seen her pop up recently, but I don't know what kind of music. That's very specific for not a mainstream.

Yeah. And no disrespect to Chelsea. It's just... He's known to bust out a dance move or two yeah okay you and me both he's skillful he's mastered the latest tiktok dance trend i'm out i'm out oh him and he's like john has been to five out of the seven continents so far. What are the seven continents?

Go. Okay. So we have. Oh, God. That was really scary. Oh, God. I'm scared. I am too.

Wait. Can we do it together? Okay. Ready? USA. Your turn. Oh, my God. USA is not North America, South America, Europe.

Yes. Asia. Asia. Yes. Africa. Africa. Yes. Antarctica. south america um europe yes asia asia yes africa yes um antarctica yes um another a fossil country come on guys oh try ma australia australia oh wow yeah it's been a minute since i thought about this yeah wait how many are we at that's gotta be seven yeah that's it although did they change australia to oceana as a continent to like encompass new zealand and since I thought about this. Yeah. Wait, how many are we at? That's got to be seven. Yeah. That's it. Did they change Australia to Oceania as a continent to like encompass New Zealand and whatnot?

USA. I'm going to start big with USA. That's so scary. Okay. No, Australia still. Well, John loves to treat himself with a well-crafted Negroni

and John listens to sad pop music at the gym. What's sad pop music? That's not. Olivia Rodrigo. Oh my God. Olivia Rodrigo. Sad pop. A Negr pop music? Olivia Rodrigo. Sad

pop. And Negroni. Spagliato. He knows that TikTok trend. He does. He has a dance to it. He's like, oh, Negroni's popular. I need to learn this. Yes. Ladies like it. Alright. Well, that wraps it up for part one.

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