The Viall Files - E602 Bachelorette Premiere Recap with Arden Myrin

Episode Date: June 27, 2023

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Bachelor Recap Edition! We are joined by Arden Myrin to break down the premiere episode of Charity’s season. We talk about everything from the limo exits, to Charity’s brother bartending, to her first impression rose recipient. Is Charity’s picker off? Are we in for a season filled with drama? We discuss who we think is already a front runner for hometowns, Bachelor in Paradise, and the next Bachelor.  “That was an advertisement for p*ssy.”  Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes. Join us for our new LIVE show on Thursdays at 9PM ET/6PM PT on Amp, available in the Apple app store. Android User? Listen here: https://www.onamp.com/   To Order Nick’s Book Go To: http://www.viallfiles.com  If you would like to get some texting advice on Office Hours send an email to [e-mail] with “Texting Office Hours” in the subject line! To advertise on the show, contact [e-mail] or visit https://www.advertisecast.com/TheViallFiles  THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: JuneShine - We’ve worked out a special offer for our listeners. At any store, you can buy 1 JuneShine package and get the 2nd for only a penny ($0.01). Go to https://www.JUNESHINE.com/VIALL text them a photo of your receipt, and they’ll Venmo you immediately. It’s that easy!  Paramount Plus - Embrace reality. Paramount Plus. Stream now.  OneSkin - Get 15% off with the code VIALL https://www.oneskin.co Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @ardenmyrin @alison.vandam @liffordthebigreddog @dereklanerussell @genevievegoodman

what's going on everybody welcome back to a new and exciting episode of the vile files bachelorette premiere recap edition we're're back. The off season is over. Thank God. Actually, I really quite enjoyed the off season with all the Vanderpump content, but we are excited to be back with you. All the Bachelorette fans who maybe took some time off from us,

but hopefully you didn't because I don't know if you know, we've been crushing life over here at the Vile Files household. The household is with us, Allie, Amanda, and Derek. And the household grows with Genevieve. Everyone, welcome back, Genevieve.

You may have heard her on the Vanderpump Reunion Part 3. Yeah, so happy to have Genevieve with us. Also, returning to the show, friend of show, fan favorite, Arden Marine returns in Jumpsuit and All. Jumpsuit City. I wore it. I'm ready. What was your color jumpsuit last time? Denim. How many jumpsuits do you have? Six. Six? Yeah. That's a great

number. Yeah, I get them every year at the Big Bud Press sample sale because they're like 40 bucks and that's how I've expanded my empire. That's a $40 40 outfit this one is not this is 120 this is good american okay it's an investment but i wear it all the time yeah and then you can put on like a like a little more colorful sneakers yeah and then at night you wear like a different shoe you're out you're ready to go yeah it's just the bathroom you're

fully nude in a public restroom you're just and you pray that the lock is good because it's like it's humbling yeah you're like holding it yeah you're like your titties are out you're at chipotle and you're like it's occupied fully nude i just gotta take a moment to myself and get fully nude well either way we are happy to have you back a lot to get into oh while we have you, before we get into the episode, it's episode one. There's a lot of guys. There's a lot of people. Interesting past. If you haven't checked out our

Bachelorette bio breakdowns the last two weeks, we have a part one and a part two with Elise Guilfoyle and our pop culture correspondent Natalie Joy. Actually, really funny stuff. You really get familiar with these guys. So if you want to become more familiar with all the, you know, great to average to terrible men that

Charity has to pick from, go back and check out those episodes as well. I'm excited. I've I was I was unsure. Me too. I was too. I honestly thought Charity might be too normal. I agree. Too well-rounded. I feel the same way. Too mature. I was like, give me a Christina Mandrell. You know what I mean?

Give me a wild card. I thought she might be too emotionally regulated. Too loved as a child. Yeah, right? You know what I mean? But it turns out, and we don't know yet, but there are glimpses of, and I say this lovingly, Charity, if you're listening. Yeah.

She's a little toxic. A little messy. That's interesting that that was your take. I like that. Yeah. I mean, we don't know. It's early. But she's definitely ignoring some red flags.

Well, I like that. I like that she did ignore some red flags. She's like, I'm the boss of my own ignoring red flags. Excuse me. That's the fun of being alive. Why take advice from my brother, my best friend, someone who's like looking out for him. Why? No, let's

do the opposite. Let's one up him. Let's spite him. Yeah. She didn't have to give that motherfucker a first impression. She could have kept him. She could have saved him for the last rose. He would have been a great last rose. It was a wild card move.

It almost felt like a condensed season of a hometown where, I'm sorry, the final episodes where the families are always like, we like Sarah, but I guess Vicky's okay. And he's like, I'm going with Vicky. You know what I'm saying? Like, don't you tell me. I'm horny for Vicky's okay. And he's like, I'm going with Vicky. You know what I'm saying? Like, don't you tell me, I will, I'm horny for Vicky. Like,

the second the family likes someone, they're out. Yeah. And we, last season, on, who was the last band? Can't even remember.

Zach. Zach, yeah. Sorry, Zach. Yeah, DJ, DJ Versace.

Oh, yeah. My favorite DJ. And did you know that Zach's in a band? So cool. And he's like standing by a pool with his friend. In like a pair of sunglasses.

Yeah, he's like, oh, he's such a musician. I was waiting for like, and did you know Charity was, I don't know, whatever the fuck. She collected all American Girl dolls or whatever. That would be great. I would love that. And then no photo of any dolls. I felt like she had a great group of guys, too. Entertaining bunch. Yeah. Yeah. There seems to be like more characters.

Yeah. Right. I mean, they literally have a guy who's like a wrestler. The wrestler was I'm surprised it's our first wrestler. More handsome than I thought. And I found very well spoken and like charming, charming. Yeah. And I stupid cowboy hat. But you know what? I feel like he can grow on me like charming, charming. Yeah. And I stupid cowboy hat, but you know what? I feel like he can grow on me. Like I don't, he's not going to get my final rose,

but I did. Like that's the one I did enjoy the alpha male flip off halfway through the episode. Chris jumping. Like he's the only one who can flip and jump. And then Caleb really just said, hold my hat. He's like, I can do it too.

You know, Chris was mind was blown that there could be two guys that could execute a flip. Yeah, but he's a wrestler. Part of the gig. You know, you got to you got to jump off from the top rope. Backflip is like it's like a wrestling move. Not that I know that about wrestling. He's like muscular. He is hairless.

Like he's like an eel. He's like a he's like aess like he's like an eel he's like a he's like a wrestling eel yeah born to be a wrestler i don't want to brag but in my off season i just uh watched the first two seasons of uk love island 2015 and 2016 uh british and uh with subtitles on because i couldn't understand them and uh there was a wrestler on there and he was very handsome and so weird that he, not one woman. Weirder than Spencer? Nobody.

Spencer's going to, Spencer, you're great. Don't be a serial killer at my house. Spencer is very, actually a red, like an alarm bell. I,

I think he's a secret douchebag because he's a director for medical device sales and they love douchebags. He did say, he thinks I'm a nice guy. I'm not sure if I'm a nice guy. He was like,

I don't know if I'm a nice guy. And I was like, that means you're not. You have to question it on television. He definitely has a boat for sure and he uses the boat to get laid for sure that's such a good yeah okay do we think raiden do we think the glasses are real do we buy it do we buy it the glasses all of it do we buy it yeah be more specific okay i'm it. I liked his kind of nerdy vibe. I kind of was like, I see why she liked it.

I liked his kind of awkward. Boyish. Yeah, but then when you saw him in his opening package, he was kind of like hot rock climber surfer guy. That's the thing. The suit and his intro package did not add up to me. I was very confused because the suit is, as Nick has said, full stockbroker.

Three-piece suit. He went to men's outlet. He was really trying to be almost like a Bennett scarf, high-class Harvard-y whatever. And then his intro package was him rock climbing and being in nature. He's bungee jumping. He's like, I just want to spend quality time. And I was like, that's

some Tom Sandoval quality time right there. He's all adventure activities. He felt like, I just want to spend quality time. And I was like, that's some Tom Sandoval quality time right there. He has a handle out of mushrooms. He's all adventure activities. He felt like a different guy. Even like his hair. That's what I'm saying. I'm like, the intro package and then him with his hair back and the glasses and the suit. It was a lot.

I'm like, is he for real? When you say for real. Is he playing her? Is this like. Oh, I think he's a massive fuck boy. Okay. That's what I. Okay.

That's what I mean. He's from San Diego. Red flag. He's 24. He's 24. Red flag. I'm 24. Red flag.

You're not a man in San Diego. Yeah. That's true. Talking about Bachelor universe in a sense. You're right. It's 2023. Quite frankly. Yeah.

You should be a fuck boy. If you live in San Diego and you're 24. Yeah. Chances are you're right it's 2023 quite frankly like yeah should be a fuck boy if you're if you live in san diego you're 24 chances are you're a fuck boy and it's also fun as long as you're kind of have upfront expectations about like hey i'm just he definitely on a dating app on every date he's ever gone on he has said i'm just not looking for anything serious right now and then all of a sudden he's found himself on the bachelorette can i just say they've all been very smart and led with i really related to you because i've been hurt too and then it's like who has it but what but to me that was the first glimpse that that chair for me that was the first glimpse that charity might be a little messy great because. Because. I hope so. The Brayden. Yeah. And we're clearly already jumping all over the place.

Sure. And we'll get back to our favorite limo exits or whatever. Sure, sure. First conversation she has with Brayden. Yeah. Sits down. His ass hasn't even touched that little couch by the pool. With the equivalent of going on a first date, ordering you drinks, sitting down and being

like, I just want to tell you, I've also been cheated on. Yes. You know, my heart's also been shattered. I'm a bond. Right out of the gate. Just right out of the fucking gate. It's like putting it on your dating profile. Like, one thing about me is I've been cheated on. I'm really leading with it. And I'm thinking, oh, Charity

is going to catch this shit, right? She's this emotionally mature, well-rounded individual. Therapist with a master's degree. Yeah, has a master in therapy. She's going to pick up all over this.

One, she's going to think, what are the options? It's either insincere because he knows this about her. He's trying to bond with her and just kind of connect with her from an insincere standpoint.

Or two, it is sincere, but like, not the right time. Not the right standpoint. Or two, it is sincere, but like... Not the right time. Not the right time. And like, it's a projection of like all his insecurities and yada, yada, yada. Option three was Charity eats it the fuck up. And she's like, oh my God. And like, I just did not expect Charity...

Her basements were flooded. Oh, yeah. Clearly Charity has not worked through her being cheated on. This was talked about last season. Yeah. It clearly was devastating to her. Yeah. She was very open and vulnerable

about that. Yeah. And rightfully so if that's been cheated on. And like, listen, but it's clear and it's fine if she's not over it, but it's clearly she's not

because it seemed like it made her feel safer. To hear him say that. Yeah, because immediately she's like, well, he won't do that to me because he knows how painful it is to do someone. So instead of thinking, wait, why is he saying this this fast? Where is this coming from? Why do you already know this about me? By the way, tell me about yourself. What is your name? What is your name? What is your name? Literally, what is your, tell me about yourself. What is your name? What is your name? What is your name? What is your name?

Literally, what is your name? You know? No, and they were almost like, their tails were wagging like two puppies. And she was like, he's hot. He won't cheat on me. I love you. Yeah, you're right. Well, I thought we were under the impression that at the beginning of that conversation,

she's kind of sitting there like, who's this weirdo? Yeah. He's got the earring. He's got the ill-fitting suit. That's right, the earring. Stockbroker. That's right. And then the second earring. He's got the stockbroker. And then the second he said that she was like, like melted Harry style stockbroker. Yeah.

I want to say as a person who I was married for a long time. And then I don't want to be scandalous when I'm a divorcee. And, and so thank you. Sorry. I know. Get off of the show. I'm sorry. should I go?

I don't feel safe. Can I kiss a Topo Chico? Yuck. So I basically had been with this person in my entire adult life. And so I had never gone on dates. And I certainly had never gone on dates in the era of apps. And so when I came out and I started dating, a friend of mine very early on was like, keep it light in the beginning. Just see if you have fun. Just see if you get along. Do not,

you don't need to get into any detail, like any messiness, any trauma. Do not trauma bond. Do not let them like, just see if you kind of have like a fun, good time with them for the first couple of dates. Like then you can, like there's a time and a place to sort of reveal. But people have to earn your secrets or hear you hearing theirs like not you cannot do that with every person you go out with. And I thought that was such good advice of like, just go see if you have fun. No, it's great advice. I do want to point out, though, that I've been informed that we have been misusing the term trauma bond. Interesting. Yeah. I think it's perceived as two people talking about past traumas and bonding over it. Yeah. And I it's perceived as two people talking about past traumas

and bonding over it. Yeah. And I don't know. I didn't verify this. Someone just mentioned it to us. It's when the victim bonds with their... Abuser?

Well, I don't... Yeah, I guess. Yeah. And they bond over the abuse, I guess, that might be... How about... So we need a new phrase.

We need a new phrase. No, it's true. This says like trauma bond is a term developed by psychologist George Dutton and Susan Painter to describe emotional bonds

with an individual that arise from a reoccurring cyclical pattern of abuse perpetrated by intermittent reinforcement through rewards and punishment

Well that's not what I meant Why don't we call it the hurt yurt of you when you go into the hurt yurt of your past hurts on a date and then you keep it fun Yeah what do we call it the hurt yurt of you when you go into the hurt yurt of your past hurts on a date and then you keep it fun.

Yeah. What do we call it? Yeah. The hurt yurt. The hurt yurt. The hurt yurt. The hurt yurt. The hurt yurt.

We're going to go into the hurt yurt and talk about our hurts. We can save the hurt yurt for like date four. So they hurt yurted. Yeah. They hurt yurted. They hurt yurted. I like that. It sounds like a bad case of diarrhea.

I got the hurt yurt. Guys, I got the hurt yurt. Be cool. Yeah. How was your trip of diarrhea. I got the heart here. Guys, I got the heart here. Be cool. Yeah, how was your trip? Oh, I got the heart here at night too. So? Is it awkward? Yeah, I just, I was shocked that Charity just ate it up.

Just loved it. Loved it so much. It was amazing. I got to say, I was wrong about the brother uh move it played it was right and the smart move was to have him be the bartender that the bartender made it right it made it better because like also he did a he all did he did a bad job he didn't play a character yeah because he's like oh i don't know if they're gonna know he could have been like hey well like yeah i'm gonna cost you i'm an aspiring actor you guys know how it is oh maybe you don't like

this is so hollywood yeah i got to be on the bachelor yeah i'm just like it's like a sag product you know he could have said some whatever these guys would have made it all up they don't yes because they gave him the world's worst costume yeah the world's worst costume world's worst wig but it like it worked oh and they put when he pulled it off they're like oh my god it's a fake mustache i'm like you did not know that like it's like the fake mustache it felt like that guy because obviously a lot of the room didn't recognize him because we've seen him once you know six months ago or whatever it felt like when he pulled off the mustache that guy thought that's the reveal that it was a fake mustache right not like oh it's her brother because no one knew immediately also what what were they doing trying to convince us that charity had no idea that part what was what was up with

that like for anyone who's never been at the bachelor mansion like spoiler alert i wouldn't call it a mansion it's a house it's a big house and like it's nice don't get me wrong like you know privileged if you own something like that. And it has a nice sizable backyard. But this idea that it's so large that she like she's roaming the entire compound all over the place. And she didn't see her brother bartending or the disguise was that. Where did she think he went? She was so confused

she's like oh i'm sorry i've been having a fake mustache i've been having a fake mustache but she she kind of fucking hated it she was kind of annoyed she's like oh really cool yeah like she does not like getting advice from brother well it is sort of condescending of like you can chart your own path and just trust your gut like i suppose i'd be annoyed yeah i don't know like let me trust my own like i don't know but why didn't she embrace it if cherry's ever watched an episode and if she did any kind of homework and i assume the student that she is she might have done some homework yeah you you constantly hear how about how much the leads don't know what's going on right in the house right so much they

don't see they're not privy to on in the house. There's so much they don't see. They're not privy to some of the conversations between the guys. So that alone, wouldn't you be like, oh, great. Like, what did you hear? I wonder if it's because the guys all behave kind of well. Like nobody was like a real, like it seemed surprisingly, they didn't have a clear villain night one. I mean, Spencer's like like a little quirky but like he didn't seem like a dude well if anyone was a villain it'd be brayden i maybe wonder if like what their history

like charity and her brother was around like her bringing home guys she's dated right because it's like if it's one of those things where like whenever she brings home or like if he was like really riding the i told you so train with a shitty six year multiple infidelity incidents guy then maybe she's like no like it just like automatically she goes to that place when he this is just a technical question but when we saw the footage of Nehemiah at

the bar and he's talking with these guys and he reached for that piece of paper and he's like writing on it is that like their drink counter was in charge of that like you saw like it clearly Nehah, I didn't see him actually mixing up cocktails. I think they left that to the real bartender, but he grabbed

a piece of paper that looked almost like an Excel spreadsheet, and I was like, is he in charge of saying... That was after my time. I don't know how they did that. That's interesting. They were around a shot, so I'm wondering if he was like, one, one, one, on all their names. Not Michael the yacht captain telling Charity's brother how he's into like curvier women and

doesn't like petite women. Yeah. Meanwhile, like Charity seems to be fairly. He's very spectacularly petite. Spectacularly petite. And it's also like a weird thing to like talk to a bartender about that. Yeah. Forgetting about the fact that like her brother's there.

They all are mic'd. They are mic'd they are mic'd they're filming a tv show and he's basically talking about his physical preferences when it comes to women's bodies like what a weird also fucking move you've seen her before you came on like so like just maybe say it to your friends at home and like was he complaining because it was aired as if like it was more like a statement of fact. Like what I like. Just so you know, in case you're wondering, I'm more into voluptuous women.

Voluptuous. You're between queens, like not for me. Everyone has a right to a personal preference. It's not a crime. It's just like a weird move to show up on The Bachelorette and just start flying flying that flag like i don't like really it's not the one that's the lead like he acted like he was like oh thank god someone finally asked me this question so just so you know don't you hate skinny people i hate them i hate them i thought that the tennis pro joey might have been getting the road yeah they had a good convo.

He was holding her hand. Do we think he's a secret fuckboy? He's a tennis pro. Everyone on this show is a secret fuckboy. I play tennis. I think tennis pros are fuckboys. Yeah, probably. Because I think they're like, oh, let me help you.

I think tennis're like, oh, let me help you. I think tennis pros like. First of all, everyone who gets on the show, every man that is cast on this show is almost, almost, without exception, six foot or above. If you're 6'2", you're average height. Yeah. 6'2", on this show. Yeah. And this seems to be a season that's even particularly tough. Giant men.

Giant. Xavier is 6'6", and he is among friends. You know, the... Xavier's 6'6"? 6'6". The knitter? Yeah, the knitter. Are you kidding me? He must take so long to knit something for himself. He looks so good in that purple hat. He's so cute.

And he plays the ukulele. That felt like an advertisement for pussy. You know what I mean? It did. It felt like this whole package is an advertisement for pussy. I'm six foot six. I work in medical. And I knit. And I put the ukulele.

My mom has an auto-amuse disease that inspired my career. This was an advertisement for pussy and it worked. I look good in fluorescent colors. Yeah, it worked. I'm like, he said he said for a lot. I mean, even though he would have been anyway, that whole package was his like, I've got 30 seconds to advertise for all the gals on earth. It works.

Should I DM him right now? Yeah. How old is he? He's 27. But listen, if you're, if you're six foot or above as a man, chances are you're a fuckboy. In this day and age, you looked at me like I'll cross. I'm just saying, six foot or above. You looked at me crossly.

You just looked at me. Are you cross with me? Are you cross? Are you cross with me? I'm a divorcee. I'm a divorcee. I'm very cross with all of you. It's one of that kind of 80-20.

It's just like the conversations I have with most women is that if you are above six foot, you are given incredible access and you are incredible forgiveness. I think that's accurate. I think it's the greatest privilege I have. And I, as a privileged man in a lot of areas, I feel like being six too. I think that's accurate. And so they get so many chances. like being 6'2". I think that's accurate.

And so they get so many chances. And so when you're out there dating and you're on the dating apps and you're 6'2", so all the 5'10 or 5'11 kings or whatever, they get their pick of the litter. And it's as hard not to be a fuckboy

when you have 20 people saying, I want you. Agree to agree. Agree to agree. fuck boy when you have, you know, it's like you have 20 people saying I want you. Agree to agree. Agree to agree. I agree with you. So everyone who gets cast in a show is basically a fuck boy. Yeah. Whether they think they're a well-intentioned fuck boy, but a fuck boy nonetheless.

Agree to agree. I also think the fact that they showed Joey talking about how tall the men were. I'm like, OK, they're trying to frame him as an underdog because he's so clearly a dreamboat. And he's probably six, too. And my favorite thing about Joey is that he's from Philly and he lives in Hawaii. Like, that is an amazing combination to me. I also just feel like I feel like Philly and Boston are twin flames where it's like we'll yell at each other. Are you Boston?

Yes. Where? Jamaica Plain. Excuse me. I was born in Fall River. Excuse me. No way. Learn to drive on 128. Oh, everything happened in Massachusetts. I was born in Fall River. Excuse me. No way. Learned to drive on 128.

Oh, everything happened in Massachusetts. We'll talk about that later. Yeah, they are twin flames. They're like, what'd you say about my cousin? It's that. Yeah, exactly. There's like a fire and a passion. So the fact that he comes from that upbringing and found his way to Hawaii, where he's like

so clearly pursuing bliss. And women at the hotel. Yeah. Well, there was a shot of him. They were all standing around, you know, with their glasses. Maybe they were toasting to charity. And it was kind of focusing in on Joey's face. I'm like, he is so much more tan than everybody else there.

He's adorable. Many of them from the Midwest or the Northeast. And they're coming off winter. Yeah. We have James and his donuts. Oh, with the cider. With his mom's note. Which one's James?

The guy with the note. He's a lawyer. His mom wrote the note. That was so cute. He's a Chicago boy. It almost felt fake. Their farm, they had the donuts

and it was from their farm and the mom wrote her the note. That was an ad for the Midwest. That was an ad for the Midwest. Xavier was an ad for pussy and this man was an ad for the Midwest. Xavier was an ad for pussy. And this man was an ad for family values. Legit. An ad for pussy.

And it worked. I just can't. I can't unsee when we were going through their bios with Elise Guilfoyle in our other episode. I can't unsee the visual of. Oh, and Chris will go to James's family apple orchard and just jump for all the apples. Oh, yeah. I'm just envisioning Chris just jumping up for joy. Yeah.

Oh, Chris. I did. Okay. One thing I will say about Chris. In his package, he said the line I hope to train the person who beats my record. And I thought that was a lovely sentiment. So I did want to give Chris a tiny bit of credit for that statement. Chris is

different. Look at they're next to each other caleb and chris you know to be that great at anything yeah you kind of have to be different yeah chris is the goat of jumping i bet chris is super obnoxious oh for sure constantly just and i don't even mean that as like a criticism but like you have to be wired differently to decide to be a world record jumper because you've been jumping on you just did that for fun to start and then you couldn't stop but if i was charity in that moment when they're all standing around watching this quote-unquote show of him jumping like i i just kind of could look at her face and be like yeah okay so we're at a cocktail party you're here to potentially find a wife and instead of talking to me or trying to see if we have a

connection you're just jumping on furniture for the men he's literally a one-trick pony yeah i just feel like he's like a combination of justin and joey from rachel and gabby season like both physically and like attitude do you remember the twins oh yeah twin guys from paradise yeah oh my god from connecticut if you like combine them to two because those were those two were the exception. They got on because they were twins, not because they were tall. Right.

And Chris is a giant. He's another, he was a huge strapping man. Chris? They're all, again, compared to Xavier. I thought he was a little shrimpy guy.

Maybe compared to Xavier. I mean, he had biceps, but I didn't think height-wise he was that. I bet he's 6'2". Man. Thick. They got her.

And then there's sean bring up sean which one is sean now bring up sean sean is seven year old ally oh but unfortunately for sean he didn't grow into that forehead if you're watching on youtube If you're not watching on YouTube, go check it out. Go to YouTube immediately. Twins. That is the cutest person. Oh, my God. Are you kidding me?

Allie, the cutest. No rain shall fall on young Allie. Just want to put Allie under my wing. Look at that little face. And to be fair, my mom tried to do kind of like a sideswept bang situation. No, I see that. I see it. I redid the barrette before the photo was taken. You needed it to be fair, my mom tried to do kind of like a sideswept bang situation. No, I see that. I see it. I redid the barrette before the photo was taken.

You needed it to be perfect. You said pull it back. I really said, let them see it. Let them see all of it. I would never look at you and be aware of your forehead. Well, not now. She grew into it. It's all I can see now.

She was all brain back then. That's right. By the way, my brother's a genius. He's got a giant head. My mother would find him as a little boy resting his head on a table and she'd be like, are you okay? And he would just look at her and go, it's so heavy. It's so hard to

hold it up. He's a genius. He's killing it. He's killing it. He's had two startups. He's doing great. That is heavy as the head that wears the crown. Heavy as the head that has the crown. Heavy as the head that has the brain. Heavy as the head that has the brain. Not shocking that he seems to be a golfer. Yeah.

He's got the look of a golfer. He grew up at a country club. At a country club. For sure. Look at that hair. I mean, that's almost like a 1940s movie starlet bang coming in. Wow. What sucks for Sean is that he probably in person again

is another handsome devil that's and yet he's one of these guys who shows up to these shows and just realizes wow like i should never leave my my small pond yeah june shine that sound like you, Nick? It's so good. Amanda and I love Juneshine because they have drinks for both of us. And I feel like we love a good canned cocktail, especially in the summertime. You're going on picnics, you're going to the beach, you're going to people's houses, you want to bring something, but you don't want to have to bring a bunch of spare ingredients or a bunch of heavy bottles. But their canned cocktails are so perfect. I know Amanda loves their hard kombucha. I myself, huge fan of their passion fruit vodka soda. It is not overly sweet, but it's just,

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Part of it is the height. Because it's just, there's a presence. Like when you meet someone who, like that Caleb guy, who we compared him to the cavemen in the Geico commercials in the bios. Okay, I think we is stretching. I compared him. I've been looking at him. He's got a Jesus shirt on in his photo. He's like sexy Jesus.

But in his intro package, when we watched him getting dressed, I was like, oh. Yeah, pretty handsome. Yeah, agreed. He's 6'5". He's 6'5"? He must be, because he was about the same height as Kayla. That giant man is 24. I bet he cleans the fuck up out in the wild.

He's Orlando. Yeah. He is killing it. Just the presence of meeting someone of that stature and the energy they bring. Women want to climb up, scamper up and down on him like a Reese's monkey, climb in a jungle gym. It is so different than like Hollywood. Because I've been to like, I found myself at parties I was surprised I was at.

Sure. But then you're like, oh, that's so-and-so. And you're just like, oh. That's what I'm saying. Sure. But then you're like, oh, that's so-and-so. And you're just like, oh. That's what I'm saying. You know, because they're like 5'8". So they can fit in frame. That's what I'm saying. But gorgeous faces.

That's what I'm saying. When you meet the contestants, giants. Yeah, you're just like, okay, I would never have looked twice. Yeah, it is. My ex was 6'4". And I do think, but he wasn't a fuckboy. He was not a fuckboy. But I do think you do get certain things on Earth when you're very tall as a man.

I have a theory about tall people is that they're further away, and when people are further away, they seem more attractive. Interesting. Unobtainable. You're not seeing them up close and personal. You're not seeing their gloves. Well, there's a power dynamic of having to go like this. It's, you know, as I rarely am as a 6'2 person, I'm usually taller than people.

But yeah, when I next to a guy who's taller than me, it's intimidating. There's a natural like, oh, fuck. You look up. Is that why you're in love with Nate? Well, he's just gorgeous. Yeah. But the height doesn't help. It doesn't hurt him. Yeah yeah like it doesn't make him less hot that's for sure you're in love with nate i mean he's just a total babe he's gorgeous he's like he's a total babe yeah there's there's hot and there's like holy shit holy, you're hot. Aaron S. brought like a regular candle and was like, I hoped we could make a wish together.

And I was like, when you blow out all candles, do you get a wish? I thought it was just the birthday one. That's a great point. I wanted to ask whether that was. That's a good point. That's a great point. Do all candles let you make wishes? Birthdays and SoulCycle candles, other than that.

SoulCycle. That's the most LA thing you've ever said. I feel like if you are a genie or if you bestow, I think if you decide it's special, then yeah.

Is he the one who said, I think I'm winning? I don't know, but he is. We heard a lot from him. Like he was doing a lot of narration this episode. He's going to be

one of those guys who goes like halfway through the season because he always has an opinion about peanut gallery right and those are useful you need a good narrator an entertaining narrator i want to talk about coin flip guy please yeah i found the move once okay smart clearly he bought a a coin with two heads you know and like but to do it twice for a kiss that gave me a little ick yeah it just felt a little like I didn't feel like she was dying to kiss him

what was the other option he was like or you play piano or something like the other option was just like I'm always also suspicious of somebody who shows their musical talent the first time just in general yeah you have to be John Mayer Harry Styles you out a part of guitar are you okay okay guitar at a party you're a part of guitarty you whip out a guitar

at a party and it's like guilty until proven innocent like you are coming you are actively like in a deficit that you have to claw your way back from and it's even worse when you have the like national attention thing yeah the other thing that he said in his package that i thought was kind of wild was he said you can connect with anyone at the beach and i was like what does that mean but he didn't even sing he like recited a haiku he was talking yeah it was like at a jazz bar when they're like yeah you like don't forget to tip your waiters it's really great to be here i'm a a bachelorette. My Instagram handle. Yeah, I felt a little thirsty.

For all you John Henry fans out there, it seems like, oh, it's not looking good. I actually thought he didn't make the first cut. Which one was he? Turns out he did. Underwater Welder came in with like this helmet. But like, look at him. He's just putting a montage. Yeah, he's adorable.

He's adorable. He was like an internet fan favorite. He's got like a tattoo sleeve, you know, kind of a very blue collar job. Yeah, he's a cutie patootie.

And, seems to be going nowhere fast. It's just shocking. He could float to the surface. He could float to the, they have that sometimes. Ariel on Zach's season,

we didn't really see her until week six. Huge fan of Ariel. Yeah, but she floated to the surface. She would have been a cool bachelorette too. I know.

We were saying. Obsessed with her family. Her mom's so cool. Didn't say one fucking word. Kept those sunglasses on. Powerful. Her brother mouth kissing. Here for it.

But we had the pleasure of interviewing her. I love her. Maybe she is. In fact, the more boring and more grounded. I have really high hopes

for Charity now. You know what? I was so bummed. Like, again, this is not a personal thing. No, no, no. I have really high hopes for charity now. I was so bummed. Like, again, this is not a personal thing. I'm just looking through the lens of like, are you going to be messy and entertaining? Thank you. You know, are you going to have an opinion?

Right. You know, are we going to see some of your toxic traits that we all have on the big screen? Yeah. Dirt. Little screen. And Ariel, how does she go? Ariel.

Ariel. Is it Ariel? Ariel. Ariel. Ariel. Ariana. Ariel. Something like that. Fuck it up. ariel which how does she go ariel ariel is it ariel ariel ariel ariel uh ariana ariel something very seems put together and grounded and and and when she was here she talked about past relationships that she had learned from and she seems healthy yeah but she also sounded like she wasn't really still dealing with whatever she went through like yeah i was hurt this sucked i dealt with it i was fucked up. But like, you know, it is what it is.

That's right. It's the difference between pointing out a scar and being like, do you want to see what's under the bandaid? Right. You know, it's like it is healed. That's key. And with Charity, it's like still pussing. Oh my gosh.

It's like she needs to like change bandages every four hours still when it comes to that wound. Right. Yeah. And Brayden's like, it's not going to hurt because I'm going to cut in the exact same place it already is. Yeah. Don't worry, I never do this.

I like John. He was, I really noticed him. There was something about him where I was like, you're a little cutie. He's like a football player, Nick. Oh, he looks like Joey Harrington. From the Detroit Lions. From the Detroit Lions. He's cute.

Also the Oregon Ducks. I thought he was cute. He's close with his sister. I liked the fortune cookie. Yeah. I thought he felt like a real guy. He didn't feel like he was chasing Instagram followers. He felt just like a good dude.

Yeah. Unlike Brayden. Well, props to Josh, because it wasn't until this moment that I realized he was the Harvard grad. I like Josh. Didn't mention that he was the Harvard grad, unlike Bennett, who that was his whole identity. He didn't mention it the whole...

Not once. No. It was just on his little... I like Josh. I really liked that he asked for charity before putting her hand on his heart. He was like, do you mind? He just checked in in a way

that I thought was very respectful. And I was like you're reading the room sir he had a good disposition and i found him kind of warm and engaging i liked his personality yeah i would go on a second date with josh yeah i'm clearly obsessed with size but uh about the tallness but just for reference of hall how tall all these people are caleb K, bring him up, was an offensive lineman for the Auburn Tigers, Division I SEC football. That is just a step below the NFL. Offensive lineman. Is that huge?

He didn't look, you would never have known seeing him in this group of men. I think these guys are fucking huge. They're huge. I think, well, the casting department, I think they did a good job. Like, this is literally, I'm going to just, I think it's the best group of men we've had since Caitlin's season. Wow. I'm just going to say it early.

I don't know anything about them. I feel like these are a good group of guys. Hannah Brown had some character. I was going to say. That was a great season. group of guys. Hannah Brown had some character. I was gonna say, that was a great season. Hannah Brown was a great season. Well, we had Luke,

Tyler, and other names that I'm not gonna remember. And this is why this might, I have high hopes for Charity, because the thing that makes I guess Bachelor or Bachelorette both, but I think more with the Bachelorette, what makes an amazing Bachelorette season is when the lead really likes someone you fucking hate. Yes, that's right.

And Anna Brown. That's right. Yeah, Anna Brown, Luke, and with Brayden, he's giving a lot of douchebag, and she seems really into him. The first impression Rose historically with Bachelorettes is significant. Who wins?

Significant. And she was giddy. She really. Oh my God. When they came back in. Yeah. After giving it to him. She's like laughing.

I'm like, oh my God. Like they just fucked in the school closet. Yeah. I also think like when you kiss someone on night one, there's a little bit of like, oh my God. Like you're kind of co-conspirators. But she kissed a lot of people. She did some kissing though.

Good for her. Yeah, but it wasn't. She really liked them. I'm going to say this to you. I've said it before and I don't want to flatter you, but I bet I've said this. I think every time I've been on here, I don't think I've seen a tail wag like that since Caitlin had you come back at that event. And she's like, it's Nick.

And she was again, I hadn was again I hadn't seen Andy's season I didn't know who you were it was my first season ever watching and my introduction to her was like watching a woman go from looking at one person and being like holy fuck and I felt like that last night Charity had that for Brayden

she was like she was like bro get the fuck out of here you're telling me he was bragging because he liked me. That's a green flag. Let's go. Pedal to the metal. All in. Thanks for giving me the information that you're trying to warn me about.

And I'm going to twist it to make it good news. What do we think about that? What do we think about the fact that, like, you know, you're her brother who she claims is her best friend. It's not like this is my annoying brother who I know loves me. Per she claims is her best friend it's not like this is my annoying brother who i know loves me per her words her best friend he protects me i protect him yeah her words and he said he said all the right things i'm just going to tell you some observations clearly you are capable of making your own decisions you're an empowered person empowered woman i trust you to and so she's like you know what i don't even have to give him this

first impression rose there's there's 19 there's 18 other roses i get to give out but you know what i'm not only going i'm going to basically say fuck you fuck fuck the brother fuck the brother fuck your judgment fuck all y'all i don't care what you saw while i was busy doing whatever the fuck i you yeah and you could tell her brother was trying to, he was very careful with his words. He was gentle. He was so earnest. He was gentle. He didn't want.

He's so sweet. He didn't want to like be so overbearing with his advice. He was adorable. So he pulled back a little bit. Yeah. And again, you would think that the family therapist. Yeah. Would pick up on those cues that her brother might be like just, because I would be like,

wait, it seems like you're like trying to tell me something, but you don't want to tell me something. So like, just, just tell me what, just tell me what you actually think. Because I want to know, because I want to make the best decisions for myself.

That's what I thought charity, charity would say. But she was like, yeah, no, no. She was annoyed. La la la la.

He's so hot. He's so hot. It made him more appealing. It made him like the forbidden fruit. Oh my God. Question. Did you guys think once he did that, that she was going to cut him?

Or like, did you think, did you think that, because sometimes the lead gets, but maybe give him the last row. Yeah, like make him feel better. Like you're on watch, you know. But keep in mind, Charity, am I remembering it right?

But like her past story of infidelity included like her admitting and graciously admitting, I've made the same mistake in the past of giving the person who broke her heart way too many chances. Oh, yeah. Who hasn't? Again, we all have. And again, this is not a criticism. I've made so many terrible choices for myself.

Me too. We all know like on this show, I give a lot of relationship advice, but I've made so many bad choices for myself. Me too. We all know on this show I give a lot of relationship advice, but I've made so many bad choices for myself. Yeah, sure. Or human beings. Yeah, but Charity seems to be someone who may give great advice, but when it comes to her journey. That's fun.

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episode of traders now only on peacock what's the classic case of really great at giving advice cannot take any of you know goes just out to the other person cannot receive it for herself yeah and maybe she's you know because like well if can't fix you, what's the point of going to school? Yeah. I like a project. And that's the thing. I bet Charity thrived in school. Like, I bet she was coming in with color-coded notes and the most, like, I bet she has the best handwriting.

Like, I bet Charity's penmanship is elite. She fucking when she was coloring in a coloring book in grade school, she was like that outline that you have with the nice shade in the middle. Like perfect every time. Her suitcase is perfectly rolled and little dividers. She uses packing cubes.

She uses it. And they're not jammed shut like mine that are like sitting on them. And like, no, it's like just the right amount. Just to carry on for a one week trip. Not traveling like you're on a world tour for two years. The shoes and curling irons. Do you think she likes Xavier as much as we do? I hope not so that I can have.

Can I see Xavier? He's the. Oh, the advertisement for pussy. Oh my God. Xavier. Xavier. He was so adorable. And.

Okay. Do you think it was a full pussy advertisement? Because I was like, when he added the ukulele, that's when I was like, I believe the knitting. I was like, you don't need the knitting. I'm already in on you, Xavier. Then you add the ukulele. I'm like, it feels a little much. Is this an advertisement for pussy? It's working.

Yeah. I'm buying the product. But he's also, and he's also and he's he's got game when he was talking to charity because there's a lot of these guys who are tall who are good looking and i'll never forget my first i i remember on the end of season i remember being so nervous yeah i get in the limo i'm thinking these these are going to be the most eligible men in america yeah. Who the fuck am I? You know, I'm just like some schlup from fucking Wisconsin, you know, and I showed up and I

remember getting in the limo. Where do you where do they take you from? Where are you coming from to go to the mansion? There's a like a hotel staging, you know, and they have you kind of lined up, you know, literally they bring you down from your hotel room and then you have you lined up for depending on who's in your limo. And they're like, don't turn around. So you can see that if you're if you're in front, you can't see anyone.

If you're in back, you can see the guys back. You've never seen or met any of these. And then you're all mic'd up. They're like, don't turn around because they want they want they want reactions on camera. They want to they want to capture all the moments. Right. So you get in the limo. Whoa.

And there is this, you know, some really good looking guys. And one guy, I remember being like, super good looking. Opened up his mouth. I was like, I'm totally fine. Some of these men have a swag of a tree. Yeah. No. The majority of these guys on the show are just like tall weirdos.

And absolutely no game. Because they don't have, because they're tall. So it doesn't matter. And they absolutely have no game. But Xavier, he does. He was, he spent some time. What did you do when you got out? I blacked out.

I was terrible. Did you have like a quirk? No. It seemed to work, but. Better than flipping a coin. I actually, when it comes to like people coming out of the limos, I think it, I actually regret not doing anything. I didn't mind the coin the first time.

It was the second time for the kiss. Yeah. actually regret not doing anything i didn't mind the coin the first time it was the second time for the kiss yeah i think it's a that's the time to do some goofy shit yeah whatever the fuck whatever you know one time do you remember one time a contestant it was on the bachelor i don't remember which season but she walked in like didn't say anything it just kept going and it was like very powerful like it was a shockingly memorable i don't remember that yeah i don't think she went anywhere but she just because she didn't say her name she just walked right in and it was like it was it's interesting like the kinds of things that make an impression out of the limo where like we've seen so many gimmicks but it's like stuff like john's like fortune cookie is like just really touching sometimes that's why i actually i don't i don't remember it but like

hearing about it i i think that was a bad move. Yeah, that would piss me off. It's a risky one. It's risky and like, yeah, I think goofy and endearing and like, you know, JoJo, commonly known as like one of the more popular bachelorettes, came out with like a horse on her head.

Yeah. You know, and it's just like, that's the time to be goofy. It's not necessarily the time to come out and peacock. I fear that the producers would be able to talk me into something so brutal. They'd be like you're fun. No, you should

I guess. You have a great sense of humor. I'm like we want to leave with that. I fear I would get, I'd be like okay I fear I could be manipulated in the same way that if I went to prison I would be somebody's okay, I fear I could be manipulated in the same way that if I went to prison, I would be somebody's bitch immediately. I could fully get manipulated into doing something like, okay, like, and then feel like, why did I get talked into that? I would be nervous. I wonder if, Charity, another good sign, too, is she seems to be, like, open to making good TV.

You know what? I agree with you on that you know yeah i gotta say i was pleasantly surprised of like oh this is gonna be a fun season yeah like i felt like oh we might have a really good full season this year i i've been uh spoiler i've seen next episode is it good yeah is it so good she and joey have like a really like major tongue kiss. Did you see? Oh my gosh.

And it was up. It's like. He licked her face. It's like. It was like a real like, like I've not been so aware of someone's tongue in a while. Yeah. But like the, the, the, the, the, the, the messiness of charity doesn't go away. Oh, that's fun.

Yeah. She seems like her picker is so off. I like that for her. Love that for us. I hate it for her. I mean, I feel like she has nice guys, some of them, some of them. So maybe in the end,

maybe she'll have her like, you know, little spring break and then end up with the nice guy. They never pick who you want them to pick no they never do it never has never well part of it too is it's like and I will say as I always hated it when someone was like you should have picked so and so I'm like no I shouldn't have

trust me you don't know Jack about like the conversations I had with this person yeah like ugh you know and like so in fairness to yeah it's like well they never pick who we want them to pick because the show is. Purposefully trying to. Make us want her to pick someone.

Yes. And like give us options and be torn. And get us invested in the person who's the number one candidate for Bachelor and all that good stuff. Exactly. Yeah. Which, by the way, I think is going to be Joey. Yeah. Adorable.

We're team Joey over here. Yeah. I really liked Joey. And Xavier gets to go to paradise at a minimum if he doesn't win. I just don't want Xavier to disappear. He won't. There's not a chance. I'm alright.

There's not a chance that Xavier's gonna just, after that advertisement no way is he gonna disappear. Not to get dark, but most likely if we're doing what do they call them? Superlatives or whatever. Most likely to have a scandal come out about them. Fun.

Like a Reddit kind of accusation of something. An old tweet. Who do we think? Aaron S. Can I see that person? Oh, yeah. Yeah, that feels right. He kind of looks like Rami Malek.

Also from San Diego. But he is a firefighter. He's a hero. I liked the guy from Nigeria. I thought he was sweet. I liked his package. I felt like he saw charity and was there. I actually want to come specifically meet charity.

Wait, he's the one where I said I really felt for him. And then I changed my mind. What did he say? Well, the thing he said in his package that like really endeared me to him was he was like, I've always been seen by my friends and family as the cool kid, but I don't feel cool. And he said it in a way that felt really genuine. Yes.

And when we just seen his limo exit where he's so suave and Charity like after he leaves was like, he's a charmer for sure. Like, yeah, he clearly has this like presence and energy. Yeah. And so, yeah, Charity like after he leaves was like he's a charmer for sure like he clearly has this like presence and energy yeah it's like nice to hear that he's like a human with insecurities what is an integrative medicine specialist it can help people who have symptoms such as

fatigue anxiety and pain seeks to understand you as a whole person different types of therapy to heal your mind body and spirit yeah so like acupuncture okay in like other like kind of like venturing out of like kind of hospital doctor's office i just want to say joe looks like a joe yeah he does that is the most joe face hey you know it's joe also oh i thought it was in the question how old is charity and what is the age spread of these guys what's the the youngest? What's the oldest? 27.

And who's the youngest guy? Who's the oldest guy? Looks like youngest might be 24. Oldest is 33. Yeah. Pilot Pete. Another Pilot Pete. And Aaron is 33 as well. Yeah, so young. Yeah, they're young. Yeah. Yeah.

It's young. For her to be 27 and be... I mean, don't want to yuck her yum. She's into 24-year-old men, but I wouldn't even date a year younger than me. She might not know at this point. They don't come out and be like, hi, I'm Aaron, 27. So obvious, though. He screams 24. You wouldn't date a younger guy?

No, because I have, and they babies. They are little baby boys gotta live and learn yeah yeah but I'm with you on that who else any other people

notable characters we had Taylor is he gone did he make it who got kicked off I couldn't even the jumper

oh is he gone he's gone but we kept the wrestler yes they're like you're gonna have a jump home we don't need to book you a flight on the highway we still have the Harvard guy

I want more from him from Josh I wanted to have a convo I wanted her to talk I mean he's probably not gonna win but I feel like he's gonna make friends with the guys and maybe make it maybe make it to Europe and then get caught

he gets to jump on a Hilton bed a respectable like group date in Europe before getting the act yeah be like I love this Hilton bed. A respectable group date in Europe before getting the ad. Yeah, be like, I love this Hilton. Do you think, granted, there seems to be a lot of jocks and a kind of simpler kind of athletic, you know, and where she's the kind of intellectual of the couple. Well, I will say that Brayden, at least in person, seemed like he had personality and like had he he was able to like vibe and have some like like like interact and chat like I feel like they have to have personality rather than just I don't think

she would go for just like a jock that didn't have like I think she needs a little bit of like sparkle I think like her optimal one is where she feels like she knows their flaws. Yeah. Like someone who like she is emotionally intelligent and like available to like a high degree. But there's also a way where she's like, oh, but I know what your Achilles heel is and I can work with it. Like someone where she feels like she has a really good understanding of them versus someone who seems really perfect in that capacity. It might be like more of like, but there's something and I don't know what it is. So I'm freaking out. The devil you know. I feel like it really is her

feeling safe of like so like Joey like the guy's just like oh you're not gonna hurt me like it's the feeling safe seems to be the like real sweet spot of like getting in there. Yeah but like she has shown

she has a track record of, of misreading, misreading what safety really is. What do you think about the intellectual or the doc? I think she, if she had to lean one way, I think she leans towards the dumb dumbs. That's fun.

Yeah. That's fun. That's really fun. Yeah. i support women feeling like they are superior in a relationship i love that i'm trying to think if i ever dated any dum-dums i ever date any i've definitely had crushes on dum-dums i don't think i fully dated dum-dums but i definitely like had some real crushes on them but i think that's where it's gotten her because i feel like that false sense of security right yeah like you know she feels like the the boss in the relationship and then like it wouldn't shock me if her ex who cheated on her multiple times like she it's like she couldn't figure it out and that's why she kept like going back because she's like how can this

person who i know is objectively dumber than me. Yeah. Like still fucking with me. And why can I crack the code? Right. And I feel like it's probably has more to do with that. And I think that's where she gets herself stuck. Do you think she went became a therapist after the relationship? I don't know. I don't know if one has anything to do with the other. I think she could be just generally interested in social dynamics.

Right. And, you know, like, listen, as someone who's made some really bad decisions in his own life like my my kind of indoctrination into like this type of like topics and discussions was like self-preservation for me to like get over my bullshit and like to heal from some of my bad choices of the rumination i had and and right some of the relationships so maybe a little bit of both but i've always generally been interested in that type of stuff and i think had and some of the relationships. So maybe a little bit of both, but I've always generally been interested in that type of stuff. And I think, yeah, I kind of like found it

after I like kind of did some like self-help in my life. So maybe it's a combination of both. I think it's probably always an interest of her. Are you a ruminator? Oh yeah, professional. Yeah. World's ranked actually. My boyfriend is.

I see that as hard. Like, that is hard to have that happen. Oh, Natalie, it's like a running joke at home where I'll be pacing outside and she's like, who are you talking to? You know, like that. He literally gets like 10,000 steps in the house. Yeah. And I'm pacing back and forth.

Yeah. She'll'm like pacing back and forth. Yeah. You should literally see me like, it looks like I might be talking to a friend. Yeah, that's okay. That's just an adversary of the mind. Yeah, I don't blame Mike. I'm just working shit out. Trust me, my brain can take me hostage too. My brain can be, my friend always says, your brain can be a dangerous neighborhood.

Don't go in there alone. Totally. You know what I mean? It's like I just sometimes I'm like, can I just reason this out? Because this is what my brain is telling me. Yeah. Like I just need a female friend to walk me home sometimes. Does everybody hate me?

Yeah. Yeah. Everyone. Yeah. Apart from the episode that I really enjoyed is like Charity is giving her like speech and we hear like she's like I know this process does work although my happy ending didn't happen yet

yeah yet we didn't see they didn't even show the person we just hear like really loud audience and it reminded me of like the Melania Trump interview like hello do we have any final four predictions And it reminded me of the Melania Trump interview, like, hello? I don't know what you're saying.

Do we have any Final Four predictions? Ooh, la la. Joey. I'm going to bat for Joey. Joey, for sure. Brayden? Oh, maybe. First impression rose, yes, but he's going to have to pare it back a lot. Because that lack of what comes across as self-awareness.

Because I get being excited. And sometimes I will say, in fairness to Brayden, what can be perceived as constantly talking about kissing someone. Yeah. Can just be someone responding to questions. Yeah. And prompts and things like that. And then they just do a montage of all the times he was like, did you kiss her? Right.

And things like that. But I don't think that's what's going on here. I think he was truly, authentically running his mouth. Yeah. And he doesn't give a shit. Because then if he is a fuck boy, if he's not a fuck boy, which he is,

but if he's not a fuck boy, then he's like, oh my God, I liked her. She liked me. We kissed. It's so, so cool. But that's not what's happening. We saw

that intro package on the surfboard. We saw him doing extreme sports and stuff. We saw the chyron. That said 24 San Diego. Thank you. Smoking gun. Yes, exactly. It's going to be Aaron and James carrying each other off on the

beach. That's what it is. That's fine. And by the way, we love that duo. We love that for them. And that's like, that's 24 San Diego. That's fun. I do feel like that's where, if there is going to be a scandal, it's going to come from San Diego.

For sure. Yeah, because how many guys are from San Diego on this show? Yeah, you're right. They'd be like, I knew him because we used to party. Someone knows someone about someone. We were in the Gaslight District and this Gaslamp. Someone's going to narc on someone else for sure. Aaron S., he's the 33-year-old with this jawline firefighter. He's also from San Diego.

I feel like he's the one who's going to tattle. Three of them from San Diego. Which we saw in the episode because wasn't that the little trio by the bar? And they were like, San Diego. Yeah. The three of them. It's going to be a tale of San Diego. It was a little trio.

It's a small city. As Bachelor contestants, for sure. Yeah. That's Bachelor Nation in San Diego. Thank you. Yeah, it's Bachelor Nation West Coast for sure. And the capital. Nashville.

Nashville. That's where Katie went to go get with her guy after she left. Everything's in San Diego. All right. Anything else? Any other men that we have opinions on? Peter. He's a pilot.

Forgot about him. Yeah. Another Peter pilot. I feel like Xavier should win only because again, but this is all based off of like preconceived notions of charity going into the show. But yeah. And Cherry can be like, you know, messy and sloppy with her dating life. But as a person, and I said, because I'm like,

Charity seems like she enjoys a night in rather than a night out. Yeah. And Xavier also seems like he enjoys a night in rather than a night out. Like, I feel like they're compatibly boring. Yeah. In a way that I would look for a partner.

Yeah. Are you a night in or night out? I'm a night in. Me boring. Yeah. In a way that I would look for a partner. Yeah. Are you a night in or night out? I'm a night in. Me too. Yeah. Yeah. It's like some people are just looking for trouble. I'm one of them.

You know, like I just like to be out and about and other people are like, I don't need to look for trouble tonight. Yeah. And it's important that they find one. I mean, I could picture Charity and Xavier, but that's the thing. It's just like, maybe this is what I want for her and not that she wants for herself because Xavier, he's a fucking scientist. He's clearly smart.

And I'm fantasizing about her and Xavier just talking about stuff together. But nobody ever picks the right person. Xavier, Joey, Brayden. John Henry. Just throw him in there. Oh, John Henry. Some wild card. How about John?

Spencer. In a good way. It's hard to pick some fan favorites or people who are going to stand out. Other than Joey, for sure. Maybe John. She does like Doughton. Doughton could be.

Oh, yeah, she likes Doughton. Or Doughton, as she calls him. And Charity's brother likes Aaron B. I don't know if that's the kiss of death or a green flag. Totally. Kiss of death. Yeah. Red flag. I'll do the of death or a green flag. It is. Kiss of death. Yeah. Red flag.

They'll do the opposite. Agree to agree. Well, more to find out. Next episode, I watch it. It's good. It's wild. It's a good sign for this season. We'll see how long it lasts, but I'm in.

I'm in. I'm in, too. Yeah. Strapped in. I found her to be more of a rascal than she was. You know what I mean? You love a good rascal. I love a rascal than she was you know what i mean i love a rascal and i felt like she was like

i i felt like she was like a little more she was a more fun hang yeah rascal in the sense where it's just like charity clearly is smart she knows deep down the right decision but she's like you know what fuck it yeah i felt like she was we knew she was nice we knew she was like sweet smart that she had a nice family but i want like kind of a fun ride, and I feel like she's going to give that to us. Yeah, I think you're right. Yeah, I'm excited to find out. Well, we will discuss next week, so be sure to tune in. Kathy Kelly returns to break down episode number dos of The Bachelorette.

Tune in on Thursday for episode of Going Deeper, the Women from Girls Gotta Eat, a wonderful show, podcast. They're fun, entertaining. We'll get into a bunch of pop culture, life, relationship, and dating stuff with them. It's an amazing episode. Don't miss it. Arden, thank you so much for coming. Oh, my.

Thank you so much for having me. I was so excited to be here. Always a pleasure. Please come back. Always welcome. I love to. I love being here. I'm so fun.

Please let the audience know all the great things you're doing. Thank you so much. Well, you can find me on Instagram at Art of Marine, M-Y-R-I-N. I'm on the new season of Marvelous Mrs. Maisel. I have a podcast. Pop off. Yeah, girl. I'm about to host.

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