The Viall Files - E606 Bachelorette Recap with Cathy Kelley - Kiss Gate, MVPs, and Falling for The F-Boy

Episode Date: July 4, 2023

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Bachelor Recap Edition! We are joined by friend of show Cathy Kelley to break down the second episode of Charity’s season. We discuss Charity’s first one-on-one and group dates. We get into what it means to be an MVP, Kiss Gate, and unique styling choices by one particular contestant. What men are already causing drama, and is Charity ignoring certain red flags?  “In Bachelor Nation, to question Character is their C-word.”  Start your 7 Day Free Trial of Viall Files + here: https://viallfiles.supportingcast.fm/  Please make sure to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode and as always send in your relationship questions to [e-mail] to be a part of our Monday episodes. Join us for our new LIVE show on Thursdays at 9PM ET/6PM PT on Amp, available in the Apple app store. Android User? Listen here: https://www.onamp.com/   To Order Nick’s Book Go To: http://www.viallfiles.com     If you would like to get some texting advice on Office Hours send an email to [e-mail] with “Texting Office Hours” in the subject line! To advertise on the show, contact [e-mail] or visit https://www.advertisecast.com/TheViallFiles  THANK YOU TO OUR SPONSORS: IQBAR - Text FILES to 640-000 to get 20% off AND free shipping. Message and data rates may apply. See terms for details. Hello Fresh - Go to https://www.HelloFresh.com/VIALL50 and use code VIALL50 for 50% off plus free shipping. Paramount - Your Great Reality Escape is with Paramount Plus. Stream Now.  Episode Socials: @viallfiles @nickviall @cathykelley @alison.vandam @liffordthebigreddog @dereklanerussell 

What's going on everybody welcome back to another episode of the vile files bachelorette recap edition I'm your host, joined by the household of Allie, Amanda, and Derek. And returning to the show, you know her, you love her, friend of show returning, Kathy Kelly is back with us to recap the Bachelorette. It's been a long time.

Kathy, how are you? Great. It's warm in here and I wore natural deodorant today, so it's not working out great for me. There's a break in period for natural deodorant. I know it's not working out great for me. Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah, it is a break-in period for natural deodorant. I know. They don't tell you that. Amanda dies on this hill, and I was like, okay, I'll listen to you.

And then like a week or two went by, and I was like, Amanda, how long is this break-in period? And I finally just went back to normal deodorant because I was sick and tired of waiting. I feel like it's like three to four weeks. I don't have that much time. It's been like six months, and it's still not working for me. Really? Do you ever put

on aluminum deodorant? Like in between intermittently, very occasionally? No. Okay. I don't know why I answered that. You aluminum bro. I'm just allergic to it. I'm allergic to that shit, so I can't wear it. But thankfully

natural deodorant worked well for me yeah good for you yeah no i got wrong about it but no i didn't realize it was like my armpits are fine for natural deodorant anyway uh we have a lot to get into i'm so excited excited that Charity has a bad picker. You know, I wasn't sure after episode one. You know, it was too early to really make any concrete decisions. But she's a little messy. I don't know about that.

I don't know about that. No, we've seen it in the past, though. Like, Tayshia, with a couple of her guys, like, she had some... Whoever said Tayshia had a good picker? I do think she does. And I also have a bone to pick with you guys because I remember last season we were talking about who would make a great Bachelorette and none of you said Charity. I think she's holding her own.

She's like way more entertaining than we saw on Zach's season. Wrong on- She is way more entertaining than I i anticipated mostly because i think she's got a terrible picker and i think she's a little messy i don't know about that and she hasn't dealt with uh the fact that she was cheated on kathy when you're watching episode one yeah and brayden sits down yeah and the first words out of his mouth are i just i just gotta tell you i've been cheated on too and just like we can relate and just like that wasn't a red flag like if you sat down on a first date and i understand it's the bachelor

yeah so things move a little quicker but this was literally their first well i i don't know per our what we saw it was their first conversation and the first words out of us but not like it's not like hey how are you you know just like i'm a little nervous. It's like, hey, I just want to tell you something. I know you're cheated on. I was cheated on, too. And he didn't say that when he came out of the limo. No, their first conversation. I know.

You're right. You're right. They'd already had some conversation. Maybe there was something else that was cut out where they had even a few sentences. And he was just trying to like like honestly the first episode i thought brayden was normal i thought he was like a giddy little school kid and then he whips out these earrings in episode two like you were just here to make waves on the show like what about what he did on episode one made you think he was normal because there were other people that were weirder, I think. Episode one.

It's an entertaining cast of men. Yeah, they definitely have some characters. Yeah. I mean, episode one, I don't think Brayden would be for me, but I don't think that he was someone that I would have cast aside as out of the running for charity. I guess for me, it was more like my thinking charity might be just for lack of a better word too boring to be entertaining because she is she comes across as polished and mature she is a family therapist yeah like you know so the assumption is just emotionally regulated just you know kind of how

we thought michelle being the teacher you know and me, when I watched it, like we said last week, it was just more like their first conversation. He just, what I perceived is like nervous at the time, just kind of diarrhea of the mouth being like, oh my, let me just tell you all my tragic stories. And I honestly thought someone like Charity would say, you know, would have this kind of self-awareness that either A a he's

projecting some sort of insecurity or or b he's just bullshitting her because he knows that she was i i wasn't getting that vibe at all i think that he we see two different versions of brayden maybe he's a gemini i don't know but like we see this this guy in the group of guys that's a little bit like i can see the other guys getting annoyed by him in some capacity. But then the way that he speaks to her is completely different. It seems like it's vulnerable. He seems well spoken. He seems in touch with his emotions.

And so we're seeing two. She's not seeing the other side of him. She's only seeing this this guy that like makes it very known that he's into her. And I don't think all of the guys are doing that well especially in episode one going into episode two but then we see her with the whole like brayden adrian situation at the barbecue she is presented with the facts that he said things like you're this was a classless move and she just kind of is like well interesting he didn't tell me because he explained it really well. Yeah, but she didn't ask follow-up questions.

Kathy, Kathy, Kathy, hold on. I'm with Allie here. Her brother warned her. Yes. All right. So there was that. Her brother, right? And then, well, what's his name?

Bring up the bio, please. Thank you. Adrian didn't name Brayden. He said the spring break thing. I don. Adrian didn't name Brayden, but- He said the spring break thing. I don't think Adrian presented it well either. No, but when Brayden sat down, he said to Charity's face, I questioned your character. And it just was right over her head.

I know. I was shocked. I was like, in Bachelor Nation, that is the C word. To say the character. Literally. He's like, you do not question it. They're both C words. So just go ahead and say it.

Oh, wait, cunt? Yes. It would be like. Yeah. No, but you're right. Can we get a Jim Jefferies on it? It was like it just glossed right over her head. I would imagine like someone be like, wait, you question my character.

So there's there's that thing in like full philosophers talk about this all the time of someone can say things that are actually true and you still disagree with what they're saying. And I think that that's Braden because he comes in and he's had so many things where like the men came home and they're like, yeah, we had a great date. He's like, that doesn't sound like a great date that's true that is true like there's a lot of things that he says that are valid but i think that there's something in his underlying oh his delivery in that in that moment was it was that was just more timing and delivery and like it wasn't about he was making a situation about him about him but don't you also say this every single season like the leads already know their top five i don't think brayden's in that for her and you have to bring along some of the drama interesting that's entirely possible like why would she bring i don't think she's interested in adrian or brayden but she still has to she knows this is my job. That's a valid point.

Lover is a human. Great person. I was never really into Corinne. Very entertaining. If you go back and watch my season, I just don't think you're ever going to see a moment where you're like, yeah, Nick's really into Corinne. I'm longing and looking at her and staring into her eyes. you might think oh like corinne's an attractive person and you

might she has her legs wrapped around yeah and if you like think you know like if you know oh nick just wants to you know like you might have thought something like that but charity first of all not the charity uh cherry is our own person but the Bachelorettes have a history of the first impression rows being a very significant moment. They usually win. And if they don't win, they're in the tops. And Charity, from my vantage point, likes Brayden.

She seems giddy around it. And when she looks at him, he's like, I question your character. She's like, oh my God, you're beautiful. Oh my God. You should question my character. That's how I know you're taking this process too slowly. I question his character after the's like, oh my God, you're beautiful. Oh my God. You should question my character. That's how I know you're taking this process seriously. I questioned his character after the earrings.

Oh my God. It's like Jack Sparrow going to Forever 21. It was awful. Oh my God. That man looks fresh off of a wellness retreat where he was texting the whole time. I feel like he went to a wellness retreat and got nothing out of it.

I do love that we're seeing a little bit more of Jesse Palmer's personality and how he was able to call out Brayden because I feel like they've been, like, just in the past, we've seen both Chris and Jesse be more robotic in their delivery and stuff. And, like, it's just nice to see

someone acknowledge those things. Yes. Props to Jesse, but I've kind of forgotten Chris Harrison ever was the host of the show. Yeah. I mean, no disrespect. He fixed the mold very well. But like, yeah, Jesse.

The first couple seasons, it was a transition, but now it feels. You know, like Chris, obviously the mainstay and so long. But like Jesse's, I think they did a good job hiring Jesse because they didn't want to change it up. And Jesse fits right in. I found another suit. The one thing I did notice in this episode. It's like Chris Harrison never existed. I did notice in this episode, Chris had more of like formality.

Like he would have wrapped up that rose ceremony by saying, gentlemen, please say your goodbyes. And Jesse goes, fellas. When he said fellas, I was like, are they going to start singing and snapping? But that's one of our gripes of the past few seasons is the Bachelor, Bachelorette franchise is one of the few that hasn't evolved with the times. And I feel like so many of the dating shows that are doing really well right now don't take themselves as seriously, which is why we love Bachelor in Paradise so much. So to have at least a little bit of that where it's more casual and with the times.

I mentioned earlier, and it's something to consider for all those who are watching, it's a very much new leadership now. Mike Fleiss is no longer a decision maker. And I don't know how much Mike Fleiss, I don't know how much his input was, you know, from a day to day standpoint. I think he was one of those guys who just like when he got bored, he decided to like be obnoxious to all the people who worked for him.

You know, just like swing his dick around a little bit and make some choices for people who had the information to make choices. Yeah. But also I think he would roadblock certain things, especially when it came to more progressive choices. When it came to like whether it's casting or storylines and things like that. So it's just something to consider, you know, if we see, you know, significant changes or things that seem more fresh or, you know, Joey's family's story. And we'll get into that. And we'll get into that. But like you have to wonder, you know, not that they didn't have any progressive moments in the past, but it'll be interesting to see just how different, if at all, you see kind of evolution or what change of a direction you see the show take now that Mike Fleiss is no longer has absolutely no input as far as my understanding in terms of the direction of the show. So kind of interesting. This episode is brought to you by IQ Bar.

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kicking things off. Yeah, we're now we're in LA. Charity has a one-on-one with Aaron B. Was Aaron B, that was the guy that Charity's brother particularly liked. Was that right? Didn't Aaron B, he played the piano. He did the double-sided coin thing. Is he a dad? No. Adrian's-sided coin thing. Is he a dad?

No. Adrian's a dad? And who else is a dad? Spencer. Spencer. R.I.P. Spencer. Which one's Spencer? He was the one who had the kick me in the nuts entrance.

Oh, yeah. The guy who... Yeah, he was really sad. The medical sales? Yeah. Memorable. Yeah. He had, like I said, douchebag written all over him, I thought.

Yeah, yeah. I don't know what to make of him. memorable yeah he had like a like i said douchebag written all over him i thought yeah yeah he uh i don't know what to make of him i was confused as well yeah yeah i felt a little overstimulated by his like i said the fact that he was a medical device sales director i don't trust him isn't that what you used to do yeah yeah but wait you went from med device to software yeah okay and what's the difference between the two for like the layman oh one you're selling medical equipment one you're selling software like cultural i don't trust it no cultural not much yeah i mean listen like a different mentality well med device is a little yeah software is more nerdy you you you do have to probably know a little bit more

you would think medical device you need to know a lot because it's medical but no i mean they they want alpha jocks they want super yeah you know you're just selling equipment very expensive equipment investment banking where it's fine to do it for a few years but the people who make a career out of it you're like i question your choices the premise is doctors are tend to be nerdy people who don't have like good business acumen and so like that these are the guys that like wine and dine them to make them make a hundred thousand dollar machine purchase like that's and so they want to like hire guys who doctors want to hang out with because they think they're cool it's like a car salesman but like actually like taking you to dinner,

taking you out to a club, whatever that is. It's not about like medicine or medical stuff. It's just like, do you want to hang out with this guy? a medical sales rep? Megan Fox's character in New Girl was a medical sales rep.

You know I haven't watched it. It's a great show you should. I think it's going to be part of our Going to Bed lineup. Going to Bed lineup. If you needed to know so Aaron B gets a lot of callbacks

I don't know if any OG fans out episode 2 is very identical to episode 2 of Desiree's season you might remember that when you were talking about how Mike Fleiss is out and it's this whole new group of people. I was actually thinking

other than Charity's brother being there in episode one, it seems very, very, very formulaic at this point. And I wish that there was some new ideas in there. But like Desiree went on a one-on-one with Brooks as their first one-on-one and they went to literally the Hollywood sign. Love Brooks. Yeah.

Which is a kind of a cool experience. I mean, as someone who's lived in LA, it would be cool to be able to go right below the Hollywood sign. I was thinking, what a cheap ass date. Yeah. At first, until they brought out the dinner and did all that stuff. But just the Hollywood sign, it's not- To be able to go there and not get arrested is kind of cool. Yeah.

But Charity wants a love like like the hollywood sign like says no one ever why would you talk about how glamorous hollywood is i'm like that's the place where i the only place in my life where i've stepped in human feces has been in hollywood california and it wasn't my fault is what i will say a hundred years old and everyone wants to tear it down so far i feel like there are there are several instances where Charity seems to be willing to say a fed line. Yeah. And that is a good sign for us. Because, again, some of these decisions that Charity is making, we don't know if it's her being a team player.

Maybe Charity is, you know, sees the big picture. Maybe she, and if that's true, I gave her a lot of credit because it's, I think a lot of times they are casting leads who, you know, have only had a limited time, you know, their time on their respective season. They don't know the behind the scenes. They're very worried about not looking good yeah and they you know the producers aren't necessarily there's not a lot of trust and by trust i mean they're they're they keep them in the dark as the leads often are kept just as much in the dark as the cast members it's like a very much a need to know basis yeah you know because they want an authentic reaction some people they might trust a

little bit more because they like get that they get it. But either charity is willing to say these stupid lines like, I want to love like, do you want to love like a Hollywood sign? I want to love like a Hollywood sign. Are there leads that were really good about taking the producer's notes or lines or whatever that is and making it their own. So it didn't seem as cheesy because I know that we've seen the opposite of, I think, Clayton might have been an example of like fed a lot of lines and it just came off like that.

Yeah. I mean, I don't know. I mean, I can't I can't really speak for anyone else in terms of how they were able. I just can't imagine anyone saying I want to love like the Hollywood sign. It seems like they're trying to assign meaning to this date but didn't really need it yeah yeah i i feel like charity and perhaps like what is gearing up for a good season is that she seems like really earnest to give people and situations benefit of the doubt and like have a positive reaction to it which i think is like such a wonderful quality to serve you in life in In The Bachelor, I feel like it is something that is maybe, I feel like will maybe be more

of a liability for her down the line. But it just feels like she has a very like wide eye, like look on the bright side approach to stuff. Yeah, listen, and it's not even a criticism. You know, we give advice on this show. I've made a career out of it. I have made terrible decisions for myself when it comes to relationships. I've made a career out of it. Like I have made terrible decisions for myself when it comes to relationships. I've had a terrible picker. I've made just atrocious decisions for

myself. It's not a criticism to her as a person. It just makes for great TV. And it's just something I wasn't necessarily expecting. And I think we all have our toxic qualities when it comes to our own relationship life and it's one thing to like offer perspective to our friends and whatever but when it comes to us like we can be messy and i think charity is wonderfully more messy than i have anticipated yeah i feel like open-minded people are like a lot easier to fuck with i think it just feels like she's willing to she can see it and she hears it like whether it's the spring break comment whether

it's the class list comment and she'll even articulate how that doesn't sit well with her but I think I'm missing like okay then what do we do about it Charity yeah what conversations do we need to have who do we need to send home and maybe that'll happen it's only episode two it's early but yeah

can i just say i like at one point during the second episode turned to ali and i was like have you i was like i'm from the northeast like uh i've lived in like mostly like cities my whole life like have you ever heard someone who like talks like that with that like specific intonation ali was like no no way she has just like a very specific way of like she laughs and talks and she has this like idiosyncratic like rhythm to her or it's like unique delivery yeah yeah where it's like she i feel like she's kind of like even when someone's like you know when you laugh but you're like what the fuck is going on like it's like i feel like she says a lot of stuff like that and then she also has like the southern twist i also think it's it's it's even more obvious that like it's like, oh, that is unique because we've heard her brother talk.

And I don't feel like he speaks in the same way. So it's not even like, oh, you know, this is just to play devil's advocate a little bit. Nick usually does this. But I feel like she when she was talking to her brother in episode one, she was saying like, oh, I can hold my own. I can stand up for myself. And then we did see in previews her saying, saying like just because i gave out a rose doesn't mean i can't clip it off yeah like i do think that she has that in her she's just waiting for confirmation maybe giving these people the benefit of the doubt until she's like no this is not right for me oh

yeah but i i think that tracks with what we're we now, because what I was worried about going into the season was this incredibly level-headed. Yeah, family therapist. Yeah, emotionally mature, who just always even keel, just kind of see things coming before they happen. And as opposed to leading with her heart, getting, you know, being physically attracted to someone. Because I think she just thinks Brandon is super fucking hot, you know. I don't, but I think she does. I think, you know, I think she does. And I expect eventually she'll figure shit out.

Yeah. Something will happen and she will react. And I wasn't expecting a reactive charity. And I think, you know, when we, when we make these decisions and I don't know if you've made terrible decisions for yourself.

Of course. All the time. Yeah. When we do. And then we, and the lights come on, you know, all the feelings of shame and embarrassment or egos get activated. And we're, we're on, you know, all the feelings of shame and embarrassment or egos get activated.

And we're like, you know, so we react because we're mad at ourselves. We're mad at them. And that's how we become reactive people. And so I'm expecting a reactive charity. So very excited about the potential of this season, you because when she finds out i want i want that fucking you know you know and get all mad and start taking back roses and yelling at these guys it'd be great you know as opposed to like you know how do you feel you know it's just like like i was expecting kind of a more level-headed thoughtful approach i that's i feel like my

favorite character arc in bachelor Nation is the southern girl who starts off sweet as pie and then he's like, fuck you guys! I love that so much! I know, it's great! It's so great! When Hannah literally came back in at that one cocktail party and she goes, none of you know anything about me because you've never asked.

She's just like, you're so caught up in your own drama that you're actually not even here for me at this point. And it's all in the eyes like you can tell in the eyes when it's coming you're like fuck yeah go off on moving the the rose ceremony altar i'm still here well fine then i've said this before but the best seasons especially i think when it's for bachelorette is when you fucking hate one of the like the when the bachelorette likes someone that you fucking hate yeah like then that's a great potential great season do you would you identify as that person what do you mean the seasons that you were on uh well you know you know we're great seasons

i don't think i've watched i know i watched andy's season i don't think i ever watched caitlin's i don't think I got all the way through yours. And my friends have asked, they were like, can we just skip this season of The Bachelorette and just rewatch all of Nick's seasons and kind of just make like a book club out of it? And I was like, this sounds great. No.

Yeah. Can I go back and watch? Can I give you my thoughts? I watched it with my mom first thing when I got this job. Really? Yeah, it was Christmas break. We just like watched your season. Let me learn about my boss.

She's like, that's your boss. Okay. Okay. Have I told you how I reacted when they announced you as Bachelor? No. Okay. Because I had, I'd never watched Bachelor in Paradise. So I literally had forgot you existed.

And I was like, who is this man that they have pulled from the bowels of Bachelor Nation and why is he the Bachelor? But here you are. That sounds more like Ari. Yeah, that was also an interesting choice. I will say every time I see like a Brayden pull shit like this, I definitely feel shortchanged

where it's just like they made a lot out of nothing with me. Yeah. Because if you go back and watch, even Andy sees it. Like when I got the first impression, Rose, I was like shocked and like giddy and like you weren't wearing a three piece. You know, it wasn't until like episode five after like Eric got sent home. They're like, I need something here. Yeah. You know, you are the drama.

And all of a sudden everyone just woke up inside of a fucking hate me. Can I just say kind of like focusing in on the Brayden drama on the group date like the exchange between him and adrian specifically regarding the mvp title i thought was some of the most like middle school boy shit i have ever seen when he was like you know it's kind of like when someone joins the team halfway through the season and they still get the ring you know when they were going that was actually kind of funny it was so funny it was awesome to watch. But it completely moronic to care. Yeah. You know, it's just like, or even Adrian, it's just like, he's like, I just, how did I not get, no, wait. Who was, no, it was Caleb.

Caleb's all upset. Caleb with a K? No, Caleb the wrestler. Caleb with a B. And all the, even the guys were like, oh, Caleb's a machine. He was doing so well in dodgeball. I'm like, no one cares. It's dodgeball, guys.

Literally. What is like... They literally thought that Charity was going to pick the best dodgeball player. Like, what? I mean, that's what they presented it as. I know, but like... Caleb, you really pull off that neon thong. Sorry about that.

Also, what the fuck was Jesse wearing on the beach? He showed up in like skinny jeans and a buttoned up blazer. It just did not track for the beach. It's like summer beach wedding casual. But you're the officiant. Yeah. Also, for any other... I know some of the producers listen to this show. I you're the officiant. Yeah. Also, you know, for any other, and I know some of the producers

listen to this show. I do. A lot of them do. Hi. Hi, by the way. Hi, producers. Hello. Y'all need to start doing a better,

like, Oh my, you're about to get some feedback. You're here. Here's some feedback. They just, they do a terrible job of investing in their invest of like using their

investment. And what I mean by is like previous characters, like these dodge ball, like they, and they've done it a couple of times. Like they had Wells do it once. I think they've had maybe even bet, you know,

but like, and no disrespect to whoever they had. It was Jesse charity. And, and, uh, it seems like a delightful woman. And she seemed to have been

some sort of athlete out of LA. I don't know. She literally said nothing. They didn't air her say anything. Like, bring your alumni. Bring some of your fan favorites. Bring JoJo. Bring whatever.

Bring Tayshia. Bring Hannah Brown. Jesse, bring one of his sports analysts. Sure. Well, no. Actually, specifically, I think they should bring alumni. No. No, actually, no.

Politely, no. But I just think they have this franchise, this recurring show, build up your talent in a way. Don't just bring back the boring, successful Sean Lowe's for all of Zach's season. Bring back some of the fun, memorable people who shine on a group day. Justin Glaze's expressions. They, they bring these obscure people.

Yeah. And yeah, like not just your past two leads or whatever, like bring, like use the show to cultivate talent and, you know, maybe someone they want to like highlight in parent. They do it sometimes,

but like those, those moments where they're, they're commentating, they bring these people. I don't, I think it's for the teens. Cause I remember being a teen. I thought Olympians were a bigger deal than I do now.

Not, I still think they're amazing, but I feel like when you're a kid, you're like Olympians are the shit. Like they, they did it. Like they did the maximum effort. And so it's like,

I feel like when I was like 14 watching that, I should be like, Oh my God, she's the best female snowboarder for the pipe category or like whatever it is but yeah i think in some of those moments where they could have like andrew spencer how good would andrew spencer he's funny whatever to like go out there and maybe he has some funny one-liners and things like that i wanted to see justin's expressions as the dodgeball game ensues i don't have an expression i want I want some good one-liners. Is it a budget thing? Because I know we've talked about that The Bachelorette gets a smaller budget than

Bachelor. They could get any alumni to do that for free. Nick is on the beach. He's just waiting. Like the people in local news who are waving behind the TV reporter. There's plenty of alumni that would come in. In a situation like that, it would be fun to ham it up and tell some jokes and have some commentary.

Especially when they're in LA. They don't have to have anybody travel. I just think there are certain times they'll bring in these obscure people. And I don't know. I don't get it. Cultivate your talent. The multiverse of all these other brands. Yeah, the Bachelor Cinematic Universe. Why don't they do a better? They could. You know, the multiverse of like all these other brands. The Bachelor Cinematic Universe.

Like why don't they do a better, they could do a better job of that. You know. BCU. Come on, build it. Before we move on from the dodgeball date, I have not met him, but I know that Caleb B is signed to WWE currently. Oh. So.

Better looking than I imagined. His name is Cale Dixon. Cale Dixon. Yeah. What? You have a like. Alter ego. All of the superstars have their own names.

But why that? I understand having a fake name, but you chose wrong. Why? It's a very wrestling name. Kale Dixon? Are you a lettuce or are you an appendage? Like, I literally don't know. I don't know.

Leaky dick. Sounds like a decent wrestling name. Kale Dickens? Dixon. Dixon. First time you're not listening. Yeah. All I name. Kale Dickens? Dixon. First time you're not listening. Yeah. All I heard was Kale Dick.

But he did do a 316 for Steve Austin on his body when he was... I did ask. So I asked Ali because I was like... I didn't put that together. Yeah. Well, I was like, is that a Bible quote? Being Jewish, I wasn't sure. Stone Cold Steve Austin.

I literally was like John 316. So he loved the world that he found his only son? On the dodgeball date, I think he drew it across his chest. He did. He did. Yeah. And so I recited a Bible verse for Amanda. And Ali did say she was like, this is one of the more mainstream basic Bible quotes.

Oh, yeah. I'm more of like an Ecclesiastes 3.1. Corinthians. Bible quotes. Oh, yeah. I'm more of like an Ecclesiastes 3-1, but like, yeah, if you're a basic batch. Corinthians, you know. But yeah, far more attractive than his biopic.

His biopic was not flattering. No. You said that they're all very tall this season. I remember Joey saying that night one, but poor Joey.

They look like, I mean, again, like, what's his name? Xavier. He's 6'6". They've said this. I love Xavier. Oh, yeah. He seems great. Oh, my God. I name? Xavier. He's 6'6". They've said this. I love Xavier. Oh, yeah.

He seems great. Oh, my God. He's so. I'm team Xavier. We need to. He's got to win. He's hot and funny. I told Amanda.

I was like, I don't. I will find him. I will fly to him. Like, where he is now, I do not know. I will find him. He should win. Again, I don't know. I hope he doesn't for me.

I think Charity might have a bad picker, so we'll see. I hope he's runner up, so that way he's in this office in a few months and you can shoot your shot. Yeah, he's hot. He's tall, he's athletic, he's smart. And he's got good energy. He feels like a right combination of he's in it and he's playing along, but he's also not being way too high-key and aggressive about stuff. She seems like she has a lot of good potential connections this season.

Yeah. She seems most into Brayden. No. John seems like it's not gonna last john what's not gonna last john is very sweet i like he's the one who got the group date rose um also the fortune cookie night one i thought that that was so cute where she opened it up and it said you're gonna end up with a guy named john yeah yeah that's pretty yeah it's cute yeah anything else from dodgeball other than very athletic?

Oh, it's freezing there. Oh. Clearly it was freezing. The guys were, like Xavier was shaking in his ITM. I mean, it's not been great weather in LA. It's been terrible weather. The last six months. And in Venice, it's even colder.

And that's probably why Jesse had layers on. But like, it just wasn't like a weird fit. Yeah. It's like popping out of a blazer on the beach. Poor guy. Anyway, Aaron B's one on one dinner portion. Oh, yeah. We talked about the reveal.

He's in therapy. Yeah. Which I love that. Good for him. Someone said in the notes alludes to minor infidelity in the past. I didn't necessarily get that. There were he. He said that he wasn't a bad. Yeah. Great boyfriend. So. But then he said he. But then he went on to be like. I didn't necessarily get that. He said that he wasn't a bad, yeah, great boyfriend.

But then he said he, but then he went on to be like, I didn't listen. Have active listening and shit like that. I was like, that's good for you guys. Gotten some fights. So I didn't pick up on infidelity. I picked up on this motherfucker's jealous. Oh. I kind of.

I got like toxic. Some orange flags like some like jealousy vibes and like cause he I mean then the producers

are doing their job they set him up to have a connection first or second week and then he's gonna snowball into this yeah that classic

early one on one will get ya but yeah I picked up on the way he was describing things it's like this guy because he what did he say he said something that like oh like his like his ex like with flirting

or like something about them how they were interacting with other people i don't know but i was like ah is this guy is this guy jealous does he get kind of reactive and mad and possessive and things like that okay i remember what you're talking about and yeah he kind of reactive and mad and possessive and things like that? OK, I remember what you're talking about. And yeah, he kind of brought up her flirting with other guys in reference to like him not really like listening. And so I think it was like I sort of was like, oh, was he emotionally unavailable? Like, was he just kind of like stonewalling her? And so she was like trying to get attention and like would like, you know, find herself

crossing certain lines. Like maybe that wasn't straight up infidelity, but like she just felt like would like you know find herself crossing certain lines like maybe that wasn't straight up infidelity but like she just felt like really like closed like he was closed off in the relationship not like participating yeah yeah we'll see but yeah i don't know watch out watch out for some potential jealousy with with with aaron b uh before we move on from aaron b yeah i have a take about his coin that it was kind of creepy. Yes. Yeah. Manipulative? Yes. Double-sided.

And only works in The Bachelor. They laughed it off. Especially the line, it kind of made me uncomfy, where he was like, okay, heads, I get a kiss. And I was like, you already know that that's what it is. So that's kind of forcing the situation. She did say yes. She agreed to it. But yeah.

Yeah. It was just so casual. He's like, oh, yeah, it's double-sided. And I was like, ha to it, but yeah. It was just like so casual. He's like, oh yeah, it's double-sided. And I was like, ha ha ha. If he had just used it for the entrance and then told her the shtick inside. All season long. He's just pulling it out. Alright, well, coin flip. It's literally like the final rose

ceremony. He goes, can you pick me? We propose. Get engaged. He's gotta like sprinkle in some losses though to keep her unsuspicious, you know? You can't with a, oh. You know what I mean? Like intentionally be like, okay. He's got to like sprinkle in some losses, though, to keep her unsuspicious. You know? You can't with a, oh. You know what I mean? Like intentionally be like, okay.

It's kind of like that TikTok trend where the significant other brings them two note cards and they have two options on it. You have to pick the note card. Like, what do we do? What do we think of Adrian? Do we think looking out for charity or do we think snitch? The duality of man. I think he might be both. You know, like, I don't think that he's like a malicious shit stirrer.

I think he's also like not being particularly productive or helpful. Yeah, the delivery wasn't there for me. Why isn't the 33 year old man just let the 24 year old boy just bury his own grave. Literally. We've seen this every season though. Like every single season. It's so formulaic. Whoever brings it up. You're done.

Yeah. And they've been there for two days. Well, and he goes, when charity left the barbecue and then they're like, well, who was the last one to talk to her? And he's like,

I was the last conversation. And then he's like, and why does it always just have to come down to the honest guy why are we blaming the honest one you're honest you're just you know nosy yeah i feel like if he hadn't been so petty during the mvp conversation i might give him a little bit more benefit of the doubt like oh maybe he's just someone who has like a really strict standard of integrity and he felt like it was his duty you know maybe he's just someone who has like a really strict standard of integrity and he felt like it was his duty you know and he's but then he was like i don't know he's kind of petty so i was like oh you felt a little bit threatened and so you wanted to swoop in and feel in control and

be like you're the good protective guy i think if we track down uh adrian's exes he would or just like women who have interacted with him they would be like this motherfucker mansplains all the time because like why isn't he not like why isn't he just letting charity figure it out yeah you know even if it got down to like final three sure yeah right like if it got to a point where it's just like hey listen like she's not picking up the signs like i thought she would uh but like even when he's like you know uh like some guys are like you know maybe he will give him pass for talking about like the environment of the house. Right.

Like the spring break. Everyone's just fucking around. But when push came to shove, why couldn't he just say like, listen, charity, I have so much respect for you. You don't you know, you don't need me. Like and honestly, like. Maybe I'm projecting and maybe you're going to see things differently. I trust you to make decisions for yourself. Like he could have said something like that it would come across much better than

like this fucking hero like he's been there for two fucking days I mean even if some of the other guys aren't the biggest fans of Braden which I think we see a little bit of they aren't as triggered by him like he seems to be very and if you

are that easily influenced or like your emotions are that easily swayed by someone being in your space that's uh not a great sign yeah and it's like sucks for brady we were actually talking about this yesterday in the office like the bachelor world is not is not a place for high fashion uh that's high fashion i'm just for any kind of risk any fashion risks of peacocking of any kind yeah like i think the the women who watch the bachelor they want to fall in love with a guy who looks great in flannel and sweatpants like the more basic you are and the more boring you look but also look good i find like that's that's the winning recipe in bachelor nation world like bracelets scarves earrings you know stripes polka dots like i think it comes across as performative and peacocking

because you're like it's just in your surroundings you're just wild it doesn't look authentic to him like it looked like he did this intentionally to make waves on the show but name a guy in the history of the show that like took risks and didn't get crucified i'm just so confused as to why he showed up normal night one yeah he was dressed like a stockbroker you know he had that pink wall street to like the hippie yeah that's why i think it's a shtick like i think that he knows exactly what he's doing and he's coming to the show is like okay night one i'm gonna be normal get picked whatever and then i'm going to because he be flamboyant in scarves and feather earrings. When he was saying, he was like, I got these fucking earrings and this fucking velvet shirt.

And I was like, if that was genuinely your style, I don't think you'd comment on it that much. You wouldn't. You wouldn't notice that. You would just wear it. I don't know. Because he's going to call. I'm sure getting asked about it and mentioned. That's what he wants.

I feel like he gets off off on like this like totally I'm not like the other girls I have a hard time believing that he's got these earrings for the show it's giving pick me because I feel like there's some dudes who paint their nails and I'm like go off go in you're having so much fun you're like expressing yourself you're participating in fashion some dude paint

their nails and I'm like Tom Sandoval and I'm like you little pick me bitch you think I'm gonna trust you because you think that like we relate on this level and I don't know what he thinks he's like being like he was putting on those earrings be like bitches love earrings in the mirror um Neil Strauss's book about it's like the pickup artist have you ever read that and yeah what is the game uh yeah so so basic something I think it's called the game so basically in this book he talks about peacocking and so that's why in the early 2000s you saw all these men in huge fluffy hats walking around in like skin-tight leather pants walking into a club and he's like you can if you

are not the best looking guy in the room you can still get any girl and it almost feels like brayden's doing the advice to the a t because it also talks about negging in the book and you're supposed to criticize the girl especially when she has a lot of options because then she's going to come back to you you criticize her and then you compliment her and then you criticize her again it's a very weird like manipulative opposite of like in management if you're having difficult conversations giving feedback it's a very weird like manipulative opposite of like in management if you're having difficult conversations giving feedback it's like a compliment sandwich it's like compliment difficult feedback compliment and then like necking is like the exact opposite

no he's got he's he's screaming fuck boy he's from san diego he's one of these kind of san diego boys uh doing yoga on the beach yeah traveling nurse the only reason he's a traveling nurse so he could go from city to city so we can go to ayahuasca yeah like the fucking like someone get on tinder in every new city and just like have a bunch of sex like but yes you're absolutely right kathy you watch him be like an amazing nurse who's like dedicated his life to medical service and like he could be he could yes i i did just want to say like he could be very committed to his career and enjoy that and also he might be a goddamn delight you know think about tom sandoval like tom sandoval probably very charming great friend you know and as long as as long as it does come doesn't come in conflict with his

like emotional needs and wants but i just feel like loyal you know like there's i especially with tom sandoval he is one of those people that I've never watched the show. But from the outside, looking in at pictures of every single season, you know that there's something messed up with this dude. And it's like it's one of those things. We talked about this before the show, but it's this psychology thing where if you haven't met a person, your instinct will tell you who they truly are. But when you meet them them you start to have empathy for them and you sympathize for them and with them and and i think that brayden might be an example of that yeah he's he's very charming he knows what he's doing he's confident talking

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guinness broke a world record longest kiss and paradise and that was not the bachelor no i remember that but they literally broke the guinness book of world record longest bachelor and paradise they're two different things well i would rather have a guinness book of world record than the longest kids they just didn't want them to be there for they just wanted a reason to bring up they just wanted to let you know like one of our most successful bachelors you know he's literally the only one who's still with them it was the hottest kiss because they ate a pepper while they did it for evan and carly it was the hottest kiss yes they ate a habanero pepper i do think that there was something where they tried to break the world's

guinness book of world records hottest or longest kiss yeah right or maybe it was like longest submerged in water kiss or something i don't know something weird anyways they just wanted to bring they wanted to mention sean i feel bad for the guys because they really didn't get to interact with her at all it was just them sitting yeah they really didn't they got really no charity time because the daytimes of the group dates are not about there's no getting to know the lead. Yeah, it's all just out in the wild at the party afterwards. You get a little bit of one on one time, but I didn't even get that. Yeah, I so appreciated when Rachel was like, he's looking at you.

I was like this. I respect that she is consistent. She was fucking pissed when the men didn't look at her and she was she noticed it she was like they're doing a good job this time she has her standard and she sticks to it yeah it's unlike that boxing wrestling match when no one would catch her eye yeah rachel really was short-changed yeah i also like she i felt like she was doing the most as host of this date like i felt like she was so earnest. She was leaning in. I was like, go off, queen. I think like Rachel was always a big, big fan of The Bachelor. And I think being The Bachelorette was kind of a bit of a dream come true for her. And listen, like, I just think Gabby is just naturally charismatic and naturally confident.

And I think, you know, it's just if you're going to have two leads it's just unfortunately someone's gonna most likely outshine the other i mean it's also the when you're less attached to an outcome you're more able to be yourself yeah and so if you are a fan of the show and you're like i need to make this work you're going to potentially self-sabotage in ways or psych yourself out yeah and also like the five-year age difference between the two of them. I'm like, those are five formative years. Like the difference between a 25-year-old girl and a 30-year-old woman. Two years ago, I think, was a formative time. Totally.

I'm older than both of them. There's a big difference. Yeah. Especially in terms of like the way that you internalize, like feel like you're being pitted against someone. So it was like, it was great to see them back because I felt like they were both like thriving and it was like oh good good to see you would any of you want to participate in the longest kiss i would find that

to be uncomfy yes well what are the rules because i feel like they didn't they were making out their lips weren't yeah because she was like when she was going through her kiss criteria she was like i like a a swoop back a fall back and return that's a that's a longest makeout yeah as opposed to a longest kiss i felt really uncomfortable when they had to show the kisses and they were doing them on the back of their hand and then to the microphone that was that was that was i didn't want to watch that because they want uncomfortable moments they're trying to break them psychologically this is the beginning they're like you're ours now give us shit to make fun of them it's a gift from the producers like why would they do that like

why would they put them in speedos so that we can go we have given you feedback we now thank you for this moment compliment sandwich why would they do that? But I just mean like, I feel like of other, like, for example, the date with Lotto, when they were like bad bitch energy and they were like, walk on the stage and be a bad bitch or like dance in a circle and show them how you're a bad bitch. It's still like cringe and difficult. That was the worst date. I don't remember that date at all, except for Zach saying bad bitch.

Like permanently scarred in my brain. Like I never thought that man would say that. But like, I only remember that day because of Jim Jefferies recapping it. Zach stood there and just earnestly like, this is about really showing the truth. This is about mansplaining what a bad bitch is. But like, at least some of them like fucking rocked it. Like Brianna, when she came out with that fucking money gun. Like with that, I'm like, okay, I could see how some people would look hot doing this.

Nobody looks hot making out with air. It's what I meant by the like, why would you do that? It's big for yourself. Okay. You're right. Why don't we try it right now? Just make out with your microphones. They're right there. No.

We'll decide who gets a rose at the end of it what if someone like did something really like cheeky for one of the kiss dates like do you think you could do a bit and it would go over well what do you mean like if it was like blindfold kissing competition and then someone went in like just with their tongue like do you think it would just go over like egregiously? Have they ever had a blindfold kissing competition in The Bachelor? Because I know they do that

on Love Island a lot. What would a blindfold kissing competition be? It'd be like, the Bachelorette's blindfolded. She's going to kiss all of you and then from kiss alone decide who she wants

to spend more time in a hot tub with. Oh. It's like what they did in Perfect Match, right? Or they like ranked each other's kisses. I don't remember.

Yeah, but like a Bachelor. They do that on Love Island every season and it always creates drama yeah because they have to guess they have to guess who is kissing and try to guess their partner but they already currently have but i would make out with other people yes i'd be like i'm gonna put my tongue in your lower lip and nibble so you know it's me you better give me a time ew i wouldn't do that the word nibble it has the same effect as like panties like has anybody like what would happen if someone was like went into really trying to like be silly for a kissing one specifically they probably wouldn't win yeah that's what would happen yeah yeah well gab. Well, Gabby, I didn't I've actually missed that.

Gabby and Rachel canceled the night portion. I love how they made Gabby and Rachel cancel. But yeah, it literally turned into a one on one, which actually makes sense because I was surprised that there wasn't a one on one or another. Well, no, actually not. Don't they usually do for episode two? It's one a one on one, then a group date, then another one on one. It changes. OKone it changes okay it changes but actually i'm i'm stupid usually do have two group dates just because there's so

many people there's only time for yeah one one-on-one so they kind of mix it up here anyone not get a date i don't think so because they usually make that a big deal and if anyone were to knock at a date it's always the first impression rose person. Yeah. And clearly, Brayden got. They needed him there for the drama. A date. I did like Joey's answers. He killed it with everything.

Joey's little dreamboat. The bit at the end was so sweet. Like, how could she not. He's guaranteed a hometown. Yeah. Yeah. And front runner for Bachelor. Yeah. Oh.

Oh, my God. Yeah. Right? I mean, he seems like. He's. Oh my god, yeah. He seems like a... He's still a little young, though. I feel like he checks off a lot of boxes. He's 27, as far as Bachelor goes. He'll be 28, maybe, by that time. Should I sign up?

Do you want to live in Hawaii? Kind of. Yeah, he's good looking. Bye! Tennis pro, but yeah, his family's story's super unique yeah super very emotionally intelligent yeah he's got his dad came out and his parents still have this relationship i want to see that hometown yeah it's also it's a guaranteed hometown i think there's something about like sharing an experience where he's like you know this is what my childhood was like i it was really

happy like where so often i think when people are like sharing stuff that's like close to the belt like it's usually like a form of trauma that either like we have heard or we haven't heard and it's new and shocking and it was like nice to hear something that was like a little like not something we've heard from other contestants where it wasn't framed as like a one-up of like how much i can get you to feel bad for me which is i know not i know some people are genuinely trying to be vulnerable but i think so often on one-on-one like sob story competition and with this especially early on and we don't see that in normal dating like you're not going to share a story where you both end up crying on date one or two right like biggest red flag in the world

what's the biggest red flag in the world like getting i was i was saying that but i'm like i'm sure i pulled some shit like just like getting really intense on like sharing the kind of stuff people share too emotionally vulnerable too early to try to create a false connection yeah we've all done that shit but like as you older, you realize it's not necessarily the best behavior. Yeah. It's a little toxic of you or manipulative

or just, you know, or you're, or you're bitter or you're a little pick me. Yeah. It's coming from a place of wanting the other person

or wanting to feel more emotionally connected and vulnerable. So let me ask you this. Back to brayden i know you disagree with me about like but now that you've suspected that maybe he's watched like the game and you see these kind of um signs that he is following this literal playbook do you think him very quickly trying to relate to charity about past infidelity is more of a manipulation tactic or sincerity or like of a projection or whatever?

I mean, I think early on in this dating stages, I've shared that with people just because like and it's not like a go into full detail about it, but it's a I've been cheated on the past. Have you ever cheated? Because that's like a deal breaker for me. No, totally. But do you do that as soon as the first round of drinks come on their first date? No, I do it when it feels natural. Yeah, but that's what

Brayden essentially did. I didn't take it as an unnatural moment for, I don't know. Gotcha. Like I say, there's a lot of things that he says that I actually agree with, but I i say like there's a lot of things that he says that i actually agree with but i don't like there's something about him that is off-putting no i get what you're saying you're right i mean like he even says like oh i didn't want the like while the first impression rose is great and it's validating like i don't want a rose i want time

that's actually like we would hope that someone a contestant would say that but a lot of the guys i think just don't like him so it's when you don't like somebody everything that they say even if it's nice or true or whatever you hate it's like confirmation bias of like they're already going and looking for like things to like dislike about him exactly well yeah but rightfully so like and again who knows how much is edited but like they sure make it seem like again episode one that he just wouldn't shut the fuck up was he who was the one who told charity's brother uh that they don't like like they don't like skinny girls and they like curvy yeah he's like i don't like petite women yeah he's still on the show i thought it was braided it might have been i thought it was the it wasn't the boat oh the captain oh that's been. I thought it was the, it wasn't the boat. Oh, the captain Michael. Oh,

that's right. You're right. It was the yacht guy. Yeah. Is he still there? I don't think so. Like cut to charity. The most petite woman I've ever seen in my life.

she's like pretty petite. Yeah. Pretty petite. Do we think that some of the guys don't like Brayden because of ego? They're like, why is she choosing him? This guy that wears these weird outfits and whatever? And they're like kind of hurt by it.

So that's why they don't like him. Probably a variety of reasons, but I don't think his scarf and earrings are. Yeah, I. I agree with you all that, like, I think he's always been like this. I don't think like brayden like got casted for the bachelorette and like decided to pierce his ears and get obnoxious earrings i think he always does shit like this but i think it also is not truly who he is i think it reads as insincere and peacocking and performative and things like that i think a lot of guys are picking

up on that just because he's also in addition to the earrings he is he is peacocking and he is kind of talking about it and he's like oh i just i didn't want to like come across as like how do you not think that's not annoying i mean but i do also think that when you're really stressed and somebody else isn't stressed i think it's very easy to be like you don't care you're not taking this seriously like because he was kind of saying like in his defense he's like a little more carefree like i'm thinking about noah right now another travel nurse who like on the season was kind of billed as like villains stir the pot energy those travel nurses yeah there's something about them like they got a little glint in their eye that seems to really

trigger people and like but then we saw him like with abigail in that relationship and he wasn't a fuck boy he was very committed to her. It's also people's different approaches to dating of like, I come at it maybe a little bit more serious than having gone through therapy and read self-help books. And I have friends that go in and they're like, I just want to have fun with this person. And if we vibe like that's great. And they're my person, you know, like, so it's just different people come at it like just because someone is coming at it as a fun experience doesn't mean that that's bad for dating. Right.

Braden's Instagram is Braden Bauer's official, like, calm. I wish that the leads could look at people's Instagram. I was trying to find, oh, totally. I think we, yeah. You can learn so much from what right there is a group put their Instagram on the screen and be like and go through it 100 percent like how in this day and age like I don't know if the show the producers are so worried about like giving them like clout or attention but we're well past that like like come up with their following list and see how many

insta models they follow yeah yes liked photos i love that their explorer page show us your tiktok selfies everyone yeah i was trying to find tagged photos from like years ago to see if his style has changed but he doesn't have anything tagged before like 2022 that's a red flag he started a new account in 2022 you're gonna go on the show i would just delete all that shit. He's a super handsome guy. He said he started a new account in 2022. Figured I'd start a new account. Oh, that might be a red flag.

Yeah. I mean, what are you hiding? Yeah. He has no ear piercings in this photo. That was in 2022. Well, really? Huh? That's a huge.

That looks like a normal. He's in his Hawaiian frat outfit. You know, like the Hawaiian shirt in a very fratty did he create a whole new account just to get cast on this show no ear piercing here no ear piercings more on brand for him though like he's wearing flannel he's running oh there's the ear pierced there we have ears oh first sight of july 9th 2022 was he in the army i guess yeah interesting army may 7th 2023 marks the official end of a big chapter in my life i consider myself privileged to be a part of something so much bigger than myself and i'm so grateful for all the opportunities that has afforded me swipe to see the celebration

what is he in the army yeah go army so army. So he always had personality. Yeah, he's a goofball for sure. Yeah, like in big personality can often read, he might even be a swell guy, but he's awful. He might even be a swell guy.

There's a dangly. He's a 20. I love it. He's a good looking 24 year old. It's so true. He might be a swell guy. But he's definitely a fuck boy. Nice smile.

A nice swell fuck boy. But Charity has no business liking this guy eight weeks away from a fuck boy. Nice smile. A nice swell fuck boy. But Charity has no business liking this guy eight weeks away from her potential proposal. She has no business. She should see the red flags, and she doesn't, and it's awesome. I think he's a big, like, loves love kind of guy. Like, it seems like he's very much,

like, he really wants to love someone, but it might not be, like, I want, you know? He wants to find that partner. If he makes it to love someone but it might not be like i want you know he wants to find that partner if he makes it to hometowns one million dollars his mom goes he loves hard you know like one of those situations i don't think he's making the hometowns they the previews it seems like he gets a one-on-one day a one-on-one date rather and they go to the san diego padres baseball stadium so i remember when those photos got leaked. So my guess is next week.

Because they're not going to spend that much more time in LA. I kind of predicted that the whole clipping the rose off was about him. Yeah. Yeah, probably. It felt like that. I mean, it's so... He gets a rose on the one-on-one date and then maybe towards the cocktail party,

she overhears something or it's presented with more information as like okay i can't yeah yeah i'm kind of i mean i'm really enjoying watching him he's the best tv on the show by far and they are coming out of the gates hot they can only keep him around so long before charity just starts looking bad yeah and so i wish they would pull back like with corinne we had to pull back i was like like if you want if you want america to meet the nanny like we can't keep doing this you know like i'm gonna look like an asshole she's gonna look bad like we had to pull back a little bit and like but yeah so either brayden's gonna have to pull back either like because like

they could they could easily you know they could easily protect Brayden a little bit just for the sake of drama. And the sense that like instead of having the Adriens and whatever, like go to charity and tattle and things like things like that, they could just be like, don't worry about it's fine. Yeah, they could also not show that shit. You know what I'm saying? They could let charity develop a relationship because I think most of the guys probably aren't going to care or spend their time and they could just send in an Adrian home. So either they're hoping they have other drama with other guys, but like they're they seem to be just letting Brayden kind of do his thing and burn out sooner than later. But if he gets a one on one like next in the next two two weeks i could see him going home on the one-on-one yeah what did we make of him being so offended by the kiss date and the men watching do you think brayden was like oh these okay they're saying i'm like on spring break they're saying i'm not taking this seriously like i am taking this seriously i'll show them that like i don't think it's that feels like spring break like do you think he was trying to kind of be reactive

to this narrative that he was taking it too easy and was just there to have fun by overreacting or do you think he's just a huge hypocrite who's like whatever guys I'm just easy going sorry about that cut to like him having a huge issue my bags are packed I'm gonna leave maybe he's like honestly he's 24 he might have literally never seen

this show he's more of a realist though because that doesn't sound like a great date yeah it really doesn't and all of the guys were coming back and they're like yeah it was great to see her yeah maybe it was great to get out of the house but was that really a great is that if you could have chosen a group date knowing you had to go on a group date would that be what you chose yeah and then get sent home before having a night portion of the date that sounds sucky so i think he was just like kind of calling

it what it i also i don't think that was a group date i think that was a joey one-on-one where they were like how do we fuck with all these other men yeah like how do we rub it in their face that like joey is very charming and like very lovable what wasn't so much a joy one-on-one because i don't think they you know they let charity pick you know what i'm saying like i don't think they went in saying this is going to be a one on one for Joey I think they went in saying this is going to be a one on one for somebody yeah I guess maybe it could have been after the fact once they knew he won that's how they framed it

it doesn't really matter who it was but yes they wanted a group date to turn into a one on one because it would piss people off I have a question what do they do if on a date like that multiple men came up with the idea of being like wait I'm going to describe today as my perfect kiss like if two men do it like what happens our producers like one of them change it no I mean they could do that or

the other guy would just come across as unoriginal that whoever went second would have to you're fucked right so it would be like have to come up with a new story yeah they would either get a reaction shot of some guy being like i was literally gonna fucking say that or if they had a guy just literally do the same thing they would call him out for it you know what i'm saying it would have turned into drama i also think it's so interesting because every single season we see it set up as like the date cards come in and it's charity has chosen this romantic date for you. And so if if that's how it's being presented, Brayden might. I don't know. Not I think he's smarter than that.

But is there a possibility that he thinks, oh, charity chose this date to to have the longest kiss and then have every other man watch? Maybe. I do think Brayden hasn't want hasn't seen the show like i would believe that if brayden if i met him he's like honestly i just never fucking watched it he's only 24 right like is it he's been in the army is it so hard to believe that he's like never watched this fucking shit i bet he's watched it with his mom i bet he has like a female best friend and she's in love with him and she submitted him for the show. Sure, whatever. But I, you know, I just don't think he's a student of the show, so to speak. Yeah.

So I think you're getting to, I think you are getting kind of authentic reactions where he's just like, this is nuts, you know? It's just weird to see a normal person, someone having a normal reaction to what we just saw. Yeah. Yeah. having a normal reaction to what we just saw yeah yeah but i still think it's a terrible look for he shouldn't know even if he hasn't seen the show to sit here and criticize charity as if like she was doing something this is out of character for and and literally the fact that he told charity to her face that he questioned her character and she decided that was a charming thing to say. It was awesome. And then Adrian tells her, it's funny because she hears it differently now.

Because when you hear about someone talking behind your back, it sounds so vicious and manipulative. But by the time Brayden had to be the last to get the rose and he's like you know he's she was like she was trying to soothe him she was telling him to relax and breathe and calm down she didn't want to give him the last rose and it certainly wasn't her call like they don't breach bachelor the lead doesn't come up with the order that they call names so like that wasn't her choice that was that was for the show and you could tell she was trying to like in her own way let him she was trying to soothe him he was never going home it was not a chance she fucking likes

this guy more than she should and i don't think it's i don't think it's bullshit i don't think it's for the show and i do think she's been given she's she's been shown enough that she is she should be she should have given him the last rose for her reasons. And she I feel like she should be like on edge about this guy. But right now she wants to like him and she wants to ignore the red flags. And I think it's so awesome. Haven't we all been like romanticize a little bit about someone for the first month or two until you finally like it hits you over the head and you're like, what was I doing this entire time? You like get this major ick almost for yourself because you're like, what did I see in this person? You're like, oh, what?

I dated this guy with like literally would wear rose colored glasses every day. I'm like, it was so douchey. But I dated him for 10 months literally would wear rose colored glasses every I'm like it was so douchey but I dated him for 10 months and I was like what now I look back and like he was so confident no I wore those indoors why do we the pink glasses on indoors come on yeah I don't know it's uh yeah we all like my entire 20s is that you know I just think it's great that I just didn't expect this I think she'll come to sooner rather than later and I'm I do think it's great that I just didn't expect this. I think she'll come to sooner rather than later. And I do think a lot of the I think a lot of therapists are probably more emotionally in tune or aware than like the average Joe. But I'm also like I feel like in therapy, like you're not necessarily geared at like giving definitive or like marching orders.

You're like helping someone explore how they feel and you're trying to kind of explore all sides of the story. So in that way, I could see how like there's actually ways that like being a therapist going into this environment like maybe she to brayden is like what could inform his behavior like she's probably really humanizing all these men and like really like not just like taking their behavior for surface value but like kind of creating like narratives or stories or like considering a little bit more about them which could be really confusing as a lead just easy or so much easier to give other people advice because you're not you don't give a shit you're not emotionally invested the outcome like has no play on your life and your decisions it's completely different when you're making decisions about like your life and then you have

to like go through that conflict between like you know what like why do you really want this do you want it do you need it is your ego is it your heart all these things you know like what will it say about me what will people think you know it's it's a nightmare you know it's such a different thing you know when you're out there telling someone else be like hey listen i think you like them for the wrong reasons i think you're chasing this you're you know it's you can be the righteous person who's just like you just like them because you're hot meanwhile you're just like you know you're you're like some superficial person who's only dating models you know what i'm saying like it's that's it's so much easier because it's not your life you know i feel like last thing is i

feel like the i think you should leave sketch about the zip line made me laugh you know the one where it's like about the guy who's like i think you're only here for the zipline thinking about adrian like if he lived in that world and like the smackdown that would have transpired between him and tim robinson really tickled me oh yeah you should guys watch uh though i think you should leave you're choking down your food to go use the zipline more and then when it cuts to the guy who's like running it he's like he's yanking on the rope. Yeah, it's like we have Joe here from Adventure 365 and he's like, he pulls

on the rope, he yanks on the rope, he's just too aggressive with the rope. Anything from the barbecue other than Brayden and... It ending early? Well, I don't know. Sean's forehead was on full display.

Here's my vision. We show a different screenshot of him with Allie as a kid for every episode he's in. Seven-year-old Allie? Just keep getting screenshots. We don't have to. Unfortunately, he didn't grow into it like Allie did. Okay. We can't all be so lucky.

Is he still on the show? I think so. It's kind of like he got bangs, though. Who's gone? Just on the side. Spencer's gone. Spencer went home. The two Calebs.

Now we're down to just one Caleb. Caleb with a K. Caleb A. And Caleb with a K went home. Anything we're missing? No, just maybe some predictions for hometowns. I think Joey, I feel like Xavier should win. I love Xavier.

I think- Did Dotton go home? How do you pronounce it? No, I think she likes Dotton. He's still there? Okay. Yeah. Or is some guy-

It's hard to tell who. I feel like they used to show them all going off and they did but it was it was quick they stopped doing that they did it was just very quick aaron b seems like he's gonna be around for a while joey rest in peace john henry oh gone too soon Also, isn't it really snappy dresser? I gotta say, just... Snappy? Well, I was mortified by the... I feel like we went in a time machine back to 2005 with some of these suits that these men...

What is with these presidential power ties? Stop wearing fucking red politician ties it's so like you get one pair of pink pumas and you're like these presidential power ties no i just think they're yeah i just i thought the suit choices and like the the tie and undershirt combinations were... It was giving Reagan. Honestly, I think, though, women have so many options when it comes to dressing, and these men are packing for how many weeks? I feel like these men are wearing a suit once or twice a year, and it's the same exact black

suit with a white shirt, a black tie. So if you have to come in, you can't do that eight weeks in a row no but like john john henry for example had a very very stylish very put together gray suit nice bow tie it was clean it was sharp not a bow tie girl well either way it was it was stylish but like it was just like a bright red like these guys were running for fucking office. Maybe they will one day. You're better off. You're better off wearing a black suit and a black tie every rose ceremony. Yeah.

Look like you're going to a funeral. There's a reason why it's called like a classic look. It never gets old. Yeah. I don't know. And you don't like a bow tie. I don't like a bow tie. I mean, I don't like a red tie either.

Unless it fits the occasion. How about a bolo tie a what honestly some people can pull them off thank you okay yeah caleb caleb wrestling caleb might be able to pull up a bolo it didn't john can you do me a favor google john like he said he played professional basketball like did he play in europe no the other john group date rose john we like other John. Yeah. In a season full of guys who are like 6'5", he doesn't seem to be one of the 6'5 guys,

and yet he played... Now, he might have meant Europe, but either way, that's incredibly competitive. He's one of those shorter guys, and he's played professional basketball. I'm just curious where. Yeah. There's like at least six or seven guys

who are over 6'4 on this season. Crazy. Not much on him. maybe on his instagram university of minnesota ali i am not a golden gopher fan no but minnesota experienced manager data scientist and researcher with a demonstrated history of working in healthcare finance. Interested in the fields of data science. Nobody wants to hear his LinkedIn bio? Yeah, I don't. I'm not seeing. Where did he play professional basketball?

He said professional basketball. Maybe he meant college. That's not professional. That's literally the opposite. You're not being paid for it. I don't see anything about basketball on Google. So he's a liar. He's a liar. I don't remember that. I know when he said it because he goes to charity he's like yeah i played some sports

and then charity goes charity goes yeah i did some uh cheerleading and he goes that counts it's like no fucking shit whoever she wasn't asking you a question you imagine one of those goddamn flips and tell me imagine some people were like hey do you play sports like yeah i play soccer it's like oh that counts it's like i know like he was like letting charity know that that he was some sort of enlightened progressive guy who also thinks cheerleading is a sport i wish she said that to the highest jumper as well that counts yeah yeah he didn't last long well all he did was jump i was like he gets super insecure super insecure. He's like, jumping is a sport. Jumping is a sport. It's regulated. There's rules.

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