The Viall Files - E609 Bachelorette Recap with Natalie Joy Plus Jonah Hill, Jonas Sisters, and Speak Now: Taylor’s Version

Episode Date: July 11, 2023

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what's going on everybody welcome back to another new and exciting episode of the vow files batch surratt recap edition slash freestyle we're catching up we are coming to you uh well not live but we are now they are coming to you from the lake house up in wisconsin more on that later i think we'll dive into how how we were eventually able to uh get my grandfather's lake house going deeper th Thursday with the one and only Scott Evans. You might also know him as the brother of Chris Evans. But more importantly, he is starring in the new Barbie movie with the likes of Margot Robbie and Ryan Gosling and a bunch of other well-named actors. But Scott joins us on Thursday for Going Deeper. Super fun episode.

Great guy. Lots of fun. We talked about his career, obviously, his relationship with his brother, and so much more. But we'll also get into a little more behind the scenes regarding the lake house. But we are here.

We're looking at it. What a beautiful view of just the lake right now. It's great. I'm in heaven. Anyways, what's going on, gang? Haven't talked to you in a while. I've been off the grid for a bit doing some stuff. What's cracking?

You know, we've just been holding down the fort. I'm here with Genevieve and Derek. We've been here for a week. Yeah. We haven't left. We've just been chained. The household is Allie, Genevieve, and Derek today. Amanda is where?

On some sort of... Family vacation? Life-searching... Massachusetts? Is she on a... The Cape? Is she on a... What is the Cape?

She's on a life quest. She's on a life quest. What is the Cape? What is the Cape? Is it in Massachusetts? I don't know. Boston, I think. Yeah.

She's in the... Yeah. Whatever. Anyways, we're holding out the fort. Genevieve is here. what do we have to get any more housekeeping notes before we get into the latest and greatest

what's going on in the pop culture world I mean we got Scott Evans on Thursday we had a great Ask Nick yesterday last week we dropped

an Ask Nick update on Vile Files Plus so if you want some bonus updates make sure to subscribe to Vile Files Plus. Yeah, don't forget, Vile Files Plus. All your updates are available. Two updates every month in addition to the one we drop for free on Vile Files Classic.

So be sure to check that out. Just go to vilefiles.com. It's free to sign up. It's a seven-day free trial. So tons of fun. All right, let's get into it. I think we need to start with the Jonah Hill stuff. Genevieve, why don't you kick things off? Why don't you bring our audience up to speed

if they haven't been made aware of the Jonah Hill X scandal and what's going on with that? Because it seems to be a polarizing conversation between what is boundary setting and what is being over controlling and possessive and et cetera, et cetera. Well, Jonah Hill needs no introduction in my mind. Very famous actor, has been dating. I think she's a normal girl, a surf instructor. They've been dating for a year and broke up. And she's put on her Instagram story past texts of theirs with his contact name being Jonah.

It's pretty obvious that it's about him. And she actually went so far as to say that his texts were emotionally abusive. She she named it that. And, you know, he was saying things from I read this in person and he he said like i don't want you to be surfing with men and i was like okay maybe that's his version of like i don't i don't feel comfortable with you going to the club late at night with men and i realized she was a surf instructor i don't that obviously doesn't make sense i don't want you to have a job yeah you know going so far as to say i want to be able to approve of the friends you've had. You have some friends with crazy backgrounds. I don't feel comfortable with you having them in your life. I don't want you to post photos like that. If you want to do these things, I'm not the partner for you. And this is all very upsetting for obvious reasons. in the last few years has been doing soul searching he could make anything he wants right now really he's you know he's so famous he's so successful and talented and he made a

documentary about his therapist which is you know it seemed like he'd been doing soul searching working on himself and then something like this comes out and it just you know shatters that leaves a little bit of a bad taste in your mouth yeah yeah but what do you guys think about her saying that this is emotionally abusive i think she was saying their relationship in general she felt like she was emotionally psychologically which is another word for it abused i don't know if she was like necessarily referring to the exact text she was posting i think she was just trying to give a glimpse into their relationship but listen I think like what psychological abuse is is like he the the power of control you know he didn't want her to post

photos on Instagram of her in a swimsuit and it's like well that's like it's her job it's her life it's like she doesn't surf in a wetsuit. And he like wasn't okay with that. And then again, like surfing with men and, you know, and I guess she posted that they were seeing a couple's therapist and the couple's therapist like made her agree to anytime a male like tries to talk to her in the water, she's supposed to say, I'm going to see my boyfriend and paddle away and so like their therapist was kind of encouraging his like possessive behavior i'm glad she got out i'm glad she feels like she can speak out and she wants her voice to be heard i'm not really on any one side i mean it sounds like a toxic relationship i mean you guys know you know the language that we're using i just think nowadays you know, she accused him of being a narcissist.

She accused him of gaslighting, you know, all the buzzwords and things like that. I think reading those text messages, I mean, I don't think Jonah Hill is the amazing boyfriend that he self-proclaimed himself to be. And his quote-unquote boundaries that he calls them, you know, they seem pretty aggressive. Like he didn't even consider like what she did for a living. Like it seemed like almost inconsequential to him, right? He even stated as much that he didn't even respect the profession of modeling. You know, he just didn't consider her passions or her career, so to speak.

passions or her career, so to speak. But it's interesting because where do you draw the line between what is a boundary that you have? For example, everyone in relationships, men and women, I always hate how these conversations become divided based on gender. This turns into a conversation. I see a lot of things on the internet of all the things men do in relationships. And in this case, when you have this conversation around what's an appropriate boundary and what is crossing a line between trying to dictate someone who they are, because we've all been in relationships where we might've said, I'm not really comfortable with your friend Chad or your friend Jenny, regardless of their gender. Who we hang out with is a reflection of who we are. And we can hang out with people who are bad influences. And does your partner have a right to say, hey, I'm not comfortable with

hanging out with so-and-so? And then where do you draw that line between it being one or two people or completely trying to reset their friend group. But he wasn't trying to stop her from hanging out with them. He said, if it goes beyond coffee, lunch. Oh, no, he seemed aggressive. Or something respectful. Yeah. Lunch or coffee or something respectful.

His boundaries seemed whack. The fact that she was a professional surfer slash model and the fact that he seemed to not want her to do any of that, essentially give that all up if he wanted to be with her. I mean, you know. But he also, before they started dating, was replying to her photos with hard eyes and saying, you're hot and I miss you and want to see you. To me, if nothing else, I mean, the word of her claiming abuse, I'm not a psychologist or I'm not... Reading those text messages, I hate it when

those buzzwords are used because I think it loses the nuance of the conversation. I think this is an interesting conversation because on the show, we talk about boundaries and expectations and we're not the only ones. Everyone out there is using words boundaries and just like every everything else, people use them inappropriately. And, you know, we learn things from the Internet and we get it we get it wrong. But yeah, there is a fine line between, you know, setting a boundary and then being manipulative or controlling and possessive. And, you know, it's just kind of an interesting conversation of where do you draw that line? At the same time, she was out there posting things on her social, kind of expressing her frustration of him moving on so quickly and, you know, putting stuff out there and criticizing him about him being a mama's boy. And it seemed like

it got pretty messy in the breakup. And then she seemed frustrated that he moved on so quickly. He now has a child with someone else. He recently just got a child with someone else. So to me, he came across as a very insecure, very immature... He sounded like an 18 year old guy who just started dating. That's kind of how he sounded in the text messages. You know, he seemed almost like he thought he was well-intentioned, but it comes across as possessive and controlling and manipulative. I don't know. Yeah. And even like she has other posts just saying things like other stories that say, I hope my ex has a daughter. Maybe she'll turn him into a real feminist because the fact that he calls himself a feminist now is laughable.

Yeah. I mean, to me that like stuff like that is just two people. It's getting messy. It's also you're seeing we're seeing one side of text conversations. We're seeing things out of context. You know, who knows? But he doesn't sound like the world's greatest boyfriend as, as he identified himself as I'll say that. It's also interesting because boundaries, you think a lot of times you hold yourself to boundaries, but the term boundaries, you think about like, what is it if you're enforcing

them and someone, someone has to, in a relationship has to agree to that as well. So if it's like in a relationship if two people agree to it it's fine but this seems like a situation where you know he was more so enforcing these boundaries and she didn't seem happy about it so that makes it really tough i also think it's interesting that at the end of this long list that he sends her uh the second text is my boundaries with you based on the way these actions have hurt our trust so i I'm just, I'm like, again, like Nick said, these are one-sided conversations. And so it's like, okay, well,

what was potentially the catalyst? Like what- Well, that's the thing too, right? Because again, I'm not agreeing with anything that Jonah was requesting. I think it would have been outrageous for me to start dating Natalie and then start critiquing her Instagram.

To Natalie's point earlier, Jonah Hill had no problem with her Instagram when he was pursuing her. He was liking her pics. He was heart eye emojing her pics. And all of a sudden now that they're in a relationship, she has to take down these photos. I mean, one of the photos that she had to take down

was a very respectable bathing suit. It wasn't salacious. It wasn't even sexualized. It was just literally her standing there smiling in a bathing suit. And apparently that was too much for Jonah Hill. So that part seems outrageous in his ask. But to your point, Allie, it's just like what we don't know is maybe Jonah Hill's been cheated on. Just because you've been cheated on doesn't give you the right to be possessive and jealous, but it maybe explains why he had such rigid boundaries. And people who have been scarred in the past or have past trauma can go into an actual relationship thinking, oh, I have to have... I didn't stand up for myself. I didn't speak up for myself. I have to have these boundaries and they kind of have these,

what they think are healthy boundaries, but I mean, it's, it's a leap too far, you know? And you're right. You know, maybe he felt like she was being very flirtatious in the past or things like that. And so that was his attempt at trying to set some reasonable boundaries. But it sounds like these boundaries weren't discussed when they entered

the relationship. It sounds like he decided once he had been in it to. But, you know, maybe something happened. You know, that's the stuff we don't know. You know, people in relationships get things wrong and make attempts at setting boundaries. And I think we've all requested our partner not do something, which I look back and think, well, that was unreasonable or that wasn't fair for me to ask that or things like that. So I think we get things wrong in relationships and we try to stand up for ourselves. And sometimes we have to learn and go back and forth. To me, this sounds more like just a toxic, unhealthy relationship where

they were both guilty of pushing each other's buttons. And it seems like they weren't very compatible and they were toxic in their relationship and toxic in their breakup. And I don't know. I find it to be an interesting conversation just based off of what seems to be very polarizing versus like a lot of people saying, oh, these are just boundaries. You know, she has the right to leave versus, well, it's a bit manipulative. And, you know, he's asking her to, you know,

not do things that would allow her to, you know, do her profession or the things that she loves. So I don't know, kind of an interesting conversation. It was obviously a toxic relationship. I'm glad they're out of it. And I hope they're both getting,'t know, kind of, kind of interesting conversation. It was obviously a toxic relationship. I'm glad they're out of it. And I hope they're both getting, you know, healing and getting the help that they need. Anyway, what else we got? Summer is here.

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Something else I thought was interesting. So obviously, Jonas Brothers, they're back bigger than ever. They all have lovely wives. But I thought it was interesting, Danielle Jonas was talking about how sometimes she feels less than around her sisters-in-law, Priyanka Chopra and Sophie Turner. Obviously, Danielle and Kevin got married a long time ago, and they kind of had their married to Jonas show for a while. But I think oftentimes it seems like people just know Danielle as Kevin Jonas's wife, as opposed to Priyanka and Sophie, who people would know from their acting careers and things that they've done.

And she just said that she's feeling torn finding her place because two boys married someone who are actresses and they're out there and everyone knows them. And I feel like I'm Danielle and it's hard. So that was something I didn't think about because obviously the Jonas sisters, as they call themselves, I feel like are a very united front. But yeah, especially as the one who's been kind of the wife for the longest, you have these two huge celebrities join the family. And I feel I was kind of the the wife for the longest you have these two huge celebrities join the family and i feel i was kind of impressed that she was so open and vulnerable about feeling that way because i was like i probably would too what was the context in which she said it was she

was it like a hey just just being honest sometimes i feel like the least famous or was it like what was yeah what was the context they were just kind of talking about they did an interview together she and kevin did and she was saying that she had kind of a love-hate relationship with her husband's fame and noted that it can have an impact on how she views herself with their fame and especially compared to her sisters-in-law who also have a bunch of fame themselves um so you know marrying into the three brothers plus their two mega starar wives. I feel like she's as like kind of like the sixth person in that group. She was just saying how sometimes

it's hard when she compares herself to the other two. Does it make her feel better that she's married to the least famous of the three? Kevin, as you mentioned, Nick, did actually kind of say maybe what everybody was thinking. And Kevin said that he also kind of has similar feelings with being compared to his two younger brothers. And he says, I think everyone's listening right now. And they're like, no, not even close. What are you talking about? But I feel that way to Nick and Joe with their solo careers, movies, all this stuff. It's like everyone has to find their place no matter the situation. And I think for us communicating and talking through it are what helps. own individual careers, like it's just a lot of pressure to maintain those individual careers

all while maintaining the relationship. I don't know. I mean, the fact that they're making it work so far is a credit to each of those relationships, but it's kind of like one of those kind of be careful what you wish for. And not that she's maybe even wishing for more fame and maybe she's just acknowledging at time that it could get to her. But I hope that she can see the flip side of, you know, it might alleviate them from a lot of the pressures that the other, other couples might face.

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she's thriving you do you Danielle we are big Swifties in this household Genevieve and I are it was a huge week for us Taylor Swift released Speak Now Taylor's version she also released a music video in which Taylor Lautner helped rescue

her album from the vault. Taylor Lautner then went to her show. And did a flip. Did a flip. The same flip from Valentine's Day. And did you notice in the music video, he did the same moves that he did on SNL back in 2009 when they were like, he was like, this is how I should have treated Kanye West when he took the microphone at the VMAs. There were so many Easter eggs. I just love this. I love this specifically because obviously Taylor was up on stage when the whole Kanye VMAs thing happened. And he said for years he in the moment didn't realize that something was wrong. He thought that it was a planned bit and he didn't realize until Taylor Swift turned

around and he saw her face. And he said for years that he's regretted that moment. He wished he could have helped her. Yeah. And, you know, he wanted to be her hero in that moment and really regretted that he wasn't. And then years and years later, Taylor Swift makes him the hero in her music video saying, you know, it's fine. I don't need you to do anything.

It's OK. And I saw someone on TikTok stitched a clip when the Lautners were on our podcast and we were talking, asking them if they were going to go to the Heiress tour. And Taylor was like, Oh yeah, I'll see if I can make some calls. And then they stitched it with them actually being there.

So it was cute. Yeah. Yeah. Well, she even did the wife, uh, made that tech talk with the sound. Well,

what would happen if you just called Taylor up and then it was them at the tour. I love the three of them. What do we think of the new songs? We like the album. The vault tracks on our favorite. I feel like after the fearless vault tracks, I don't know. I didn't feel like the vault tracks necessarily matched the vibe.

Maybe that's why they were in the vault. Even I saw someone say, if I Can See You is your favorite vault track, it means that Reputation is your favorite album. Oh. And it is. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. That makes sense to me. Yeah. So you already went to one of the concerts ellie i did i did jenny went to yeah and great like literally best night of my life incredible yeah what i didn't realize did you have to did you hold it or did you pee held because it seems like to be the big big debate because the concert's so long i peeded during the red set. And that's when everyone says that you should pee. I ducked back. I ducked out.

I ducked back in. Genevieve, you held it. Which is shocking. I have the smallest bladder of all time, but I'd do anything for Taylor Swift, so I held it. I didn't realize my dad, apparently, I was so engulfed in the concert, I didn't realize that he kind of went missing for a while. Apparently, the

dads had their own kind of group going on they were all out in the hallway together just hanging out and what are you doing and are you making any adjustments for the next concert alley adjustments such as well you're going you're going i don't know like it's a three-hour event oh like p at a different time so i don't miss the same i don't know like is there is there anything you would do differently having lived the experience already probably not it was a great time excited to see it again maybe any like survival tips for anyone that's listening that might be going to a show like survival tips anything they should know just before they go since you've been there i mean there's a lot online you know if you're gonna wear heels bring like big fuzzy socks to wear

i got on amazon they're they're they're slippers and they're foldable and so i had folded slippers in my purse so i swapped those out this is grandma of me but i wore earplugs and i'm really i'm really glad that i did i'm honestly really glad that i did harry styles my ears were ringing for like hours after and it was completely fine after this if you want to exchange friendship bracelets, bring them. Yes. Yeah. How can Nick and I get tickets for her new Added On LA

shows? Oh. She added on LA shows? I do not know. Well, she added on, I wanted to get tickets to this. She added on one night and if you'd already tried to get tickets for LA but couldn't, they added you to that. Oh, nice. So if you hadn't already done that, then there's nothing to do.

If you weren't on the list. Go to the UK. Yeah, she added a bunch of international dates. Ooh, maybe we do that. Maybe we do that. Before we get into episode three, since I've been kind of not paying attention off the grid,

what has the audience's reaction been to the first two episodes? What are their reactions been to Charity? Do they hate Brayden as much as I do? Do they hate Brayden? Or do they think Charity has that kind of little tint of toxicity that we've been talking about? Do they agree that she's a little messy

in the best possible way? What has been Bachelor Nation's reaction? I don't think people have quite as definitive of opinions as you do, sir. I don't think people are calling her quite toxic or messy. I think I've definitely seen some different opinions. Feels like people are a little split on Brayden. I think some a lot of people are seeing red flags, but then other people are like, well, maybe he was nervous or maybe X, Y and Z. Like, I feel like with a lot of them, because it's so early on in the season, it's like, OK, well, can we give benefit of the doubt? I see

this. Maybe this is what's popping up for her. Maybe this is why she's keeping him around. So not everyone's like, go home, Brayden. I think a lot of people are, but it doesn't feel like everybody's anti-Brayden. And the people that are anti-Brayden, I think a lot of people are, but it doesn't feel like everybody's anti-Brayden. And the people that are anti-Brayden, I think, are still on Charity's side. Like, she's not seeing what we're seeing. Yeah. But she's seen things.

They're making excuses for her decisions? I don't know if it's excuses per se, but yeah, maybe she's trying to see the good in him. Maybe she's trying to actually form her own opinions. But I just think it's really evident that charity and again charity loves a good face she is a sucker for a good looking face well good for her because she has a full roster of good looking guys she is like some of the best guys but she she loves a hottie you could tell she she's willing to look the other way if she finds them to be physically attractive in the face do you you find Brayden to be physically attractive?

She and I do not have the same type because when you said that I was like Brayden hottie? What? Brayden earring equals hottie? He's got a good looking face. He might not be any of your types but he's objectively like a handsome guy.

And the point is Charity thinks he's beautiful. Clearly. I don't know he caught her classless so it's like oh that's what i'm saying like when you how could you say that charity isn't seeing what other people are saying when he was like literally told her that he was judging her yeah he feels like he has this way of kind of yeah he'll say things he'll get tattled on manipulator then he'll snake his way back out of it and we'll get into it at the end of the episode as well but because he can say things like classless or i'm judging you or i don't know if i could get engaged and all this other stuff

but then he has a way of just just staying there you Aaron made him seem better than he's come across before. Because that's the thing. Like, it's not like Brayden isn't making, like he is making sense when you say things like, he was making total sense when he was saying how, I don't think some of these guys like know what they're saying, especially when they're talking about engagement. You know what I'm saying? He's right. It always irritated me when early on in those environments, you'd have guys who would just say things like, oh, I could totally be ready to

get engaged to charity by the end of the season or whoever the lead was, having spent no time with this person. And it always came across as disingenuous. It came across as performative. It came across as just saying it because that's what they thought they should say. And ironically, those are the people who are made to look good because they buy into the process and things like that. At the same time, I agree with Natalie. He just comes across as a guy who's just very good at being manipulative and saying what he knows the other person wants, what they want to hear. He also is doing this thing with charity where whether it's intentional or not, he is giving a masterclass on how to maintain power in a relationship dynamic where the structure of the dynamic is he doesn't have the power.

Oh, I think he's definitely doing it on purpose. I don't think Brayden is used to not having power. And I think he had to figure out a way where he could keep that throughout. Yeah, because the whole time, you have have charity is the bachelorette she's she's the only you know bachelorette amongst a 14 suitors at this point and yet brayden's the only one that has charity at times like worrying about where brayden is like like what Brayden's thinking, where his head's at, whether he is capable of liking her. You know, Brayden said to the other guys, I'm just concerned about hurting her. Here's this guy who's one of 14 and he has the balls to say to the other guys,

well, you're worried about her liking you or giving attention. I'm worried about hurting her. And when he says that to Charity, it's a bit of a mind fuck. Whether he means it to be manipulative or not, he is definitely holding power over Charity in an environment where that's very hard to do.

So they start off with like, they get the, she comes in and we're, can't do this anymore in LA. We're going to Ocean City. Do you think that they, producers have ever been like, we need to do that again.

Like y'all were not excited enough. Oh my God. Every time. We're going to Detroit. And everyone's like, yeah. It god every time we're going to detroit and everyone's like yeah it happens every time especially in that environment because usually the first destination when they leave the bachelor mansion is like we went to connecticut yeah they called it romantic new england but they were like we went to connecticut we went to the mohegan sun casino and dreary cloudy cold rainy connecticut and they were like we need to redo literally and they were just like and we were like yeah and they're like guys that sucked be more excited

and then like every time they run into a hotel room and they're all like screaming and kicking that's usually their second or third attempt because you know what they are in reality is walking into a hotel room that looks like kind of like any hotel room they've ever walked into, et cetera, et cetera. So yes, they're,

they're almost every one of those. Usually by the end of the season, they've had to do it so many times that five or six people remaining will be like, all right guys, let's just do this one time so let's get real excited and then start like you know coaching each other but no they've they did all those multiple times because i yeah i'm sure they i'm sure their lack of enthusiasm was apparent

when they went to how many of them even knew what oceanside california that's the thing when sean goes you'll never know what will happen in oceanside and i said to myself sean has never been to oceanside i have don't worry it's okay and it's what south of san diego as north north of san diego north of san diego random place just an hour and a half yeah drive yeah yeah it's just a right there's a military base there i one time ran out of gas the closest gas station was on the military base so i rolled up and they were like military id please and i was like sir what about when we went to santa barbara on andy season on andy season we went to santa barbara but we all stayed in the mansion but it was a week in santa barbara it was kind of so here

they're just staying in a hotel in Oceanside. Yeah. But whatever. So Brayden got the 101. Brayden gets the 101. He gets the use of a day. Not him in the helicopter being like, oh, you see that brown patch over there?

That's where I grew up. Like, what? You're in a helicopter. How can you tell that brown patch is like your neighborhood but it also goes back to the the power dynamic here we are charity's the bachelorette she has designed this date she's the one saying let's get in this helicopter you know what i mean and he's taking it over he's turning he's like i'm so glad i got to take her on a tour of my hometown. No, you didn't. This is a date. Shut up.

I mean, you think I'm a little critical of that? No, I agree with Allie. That's so true. I got to take her to see my hometown. I don't know. I mean. Yeah, exactly. Of course they're going to give Brayden.

Well, it's not like charity planned to see Brayden's hometown. Yeah, but the producers knew that. The producers knew that. The producers knew that he was from San Diego. Maybe. For sure. How would they not? We know he was from San Diego. He says it all the time. And then he literally is like, oh my god, could you imagine if we landed inside of

the Petco Park and their producers are like, helicopter, please land inside of the Petco Park. They're halfway down. He's like, could you imagine? That was obviously already planned. So, which do we believe? All right, which one do you believe more, right? Because both are just as easily true. There's a good chance they already had

like Brayden pegged for this, right? It's just like, oh, we'll take Brayden on this date. It's close to where he's from. He's a Padres fan. I don't think they would cast someone on a date just because they're a Padres fan. I don't think they would cast someone on a date just because they're a Padres fan. I don't think it's that big of a deal. In most seasons, they try to get their villain from either the first impression rose or an early one-on-one date. Brayden got the first impression rose and got a target on his back. And so to me,

him getting this date is them doubling down, right? I think they definitely used him being from San Diego, being a Padre. Like if they chose Sean, who literally doesn't give a rat's ass about Padre. Which one is Sean? The forehead. The Ken doll. The one who compared himself to Ryan Gosling. He's like, he would not care that they're landing in Petco Park.

You know, like he would not give a shit. But the fact that Brayden is from there, it was like this, like it meant so much to him. And he had this connection. He was like, I sat up there in those nosebleeds. Like I've been here so many times.

But they could have, it would have been cool for anyone. I mean, I think it worked out, but I think it had more to do with trying to piss off the rest of the guys. Think, think about it. Think about all the guys who haven't had

any time with Charity. I mean, half the guys there have only talked to Charity night one. And you got Brayden, who got the first impression rose, got extra time with her after the first impression rose. He already has a one-on-one early on. He's getting all this extra time that and for a guy who doesn't know how to like stay quiet he this guy is a human peacock and it is a is an amazing recipe for a great villain and that's been a big narrative too is that like all the guys are always talking about i'm not getting time because like it's always going back to like because you brought up brayden or because of brayden i'm not getting time and i might get sent. Like it's a constant narrative that's been going this whole, like the first three episodes.

And then they get trapped on a bus heading down to Oceanside. What I love more than anything is we have all these guys brooding on the bus and then there's King Xavier just knitting away. He was thriving. I'm going to foreshadow Xavier. Is it a slow burn? I was getting, for a moment, I thought that Xavier was just going to get lost in the shuffle until that

one part where you know they had a charity have a moment saying that you know she she likes him and she's hoping to develop more with him but she seems to really be overlooking him at this point it's early maybe he'll be a late bloomer I don't know but he

is definitely not getting the attention some of the other people are. Don't worry, Xavier. I'm coming. And then also, Brayden, the writing on the baseball, like you're worth trying for. That is the absolute bare minimum. The bare minimum is to go on this show and try. And like he tells Charity, you are worth trying for.

It works on Charity, though. I know. I hate that. It know. I hate that. But it does. I hate it. She seems to be a sucker for a fuckboy. I mean, Brayden has Situationship King written all over him. His whole MO about like, you know, again, because a lot of it makes sense.

And think about it. And when you start a situationship, right? I think that's why situationships are so prevalent these days. Because early on, the logic makes a lot of sense. It's like, hey, we just met. We have a lot to learn about each other. I say these things all the time on our show, which is true. You have to learn about people. So you want to take your time. You want to slow things down. You want to get to know each other. But at what point is it reasonable to start having those expectations of, I want more. I deserve more. I want expectations. No, I want to stop seeing other people. And Braden seems to be the type of guy who's so good at just kind of bullshitting his way out of any expectations

that his counterpart might have of him and he seems just so good at just deflecting deflecting deflecting but unfortunately for charity you have guys like aaron that almost make brayden look good because brayden at the end, at the end of this episode, it was Brayden who made sense, not Aaron. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I got confused because there's nothing wrong with Brayden saying, hey, I don't know

if I can get engaged right now. I just met her, you know, three. No one should be certain that they can get engaged at the end of this thing. That's that's an insane thing to say. Brayden's right about that. So like, not that Brayden's doing or saying anything wrong. I think it's his overall vibe that I think just kind of rubs everyone the wrong, with the people who he's rubbing the wrong way, like Natalie and myself.

It's the earrings and the- Is it not giving Luke Parker? Luke Parker was way more, like he was weaponizing his faith and religion and he was he was like critiquing hannah and it was is this not like brayden is questioning her character he's saying she's saying she's like yeah the fact that she's kissing other guys is like that yes last episode when when brayden was doing that that was was very Luke Parker-esque. That was. That has since seemed to stop. But that was Luke Parker all season long.

I can see if, which I am praying to the gods that he doesn't, but if he makes it to Fantasy Suites, I can see there being this massive blow up if she sleeps with anyone else oh sure I do too I hope that they keep him around I think he'll burn out or if you meet these other guys families like how dare you like I can just see him using anything he can to like her kiss with Joey or the

kiss with double denim Sean like I just feel like he's any chance that she gets to like like, show affection to another male. He is pissed. Yeah. Like, you shouldn't be on the show.

Yeah. I mean, it's a fine line between I like I hate the whole premise of, you know, you signed up for because that's the thing. When Aaron said that, just like, well, you know what? It's like, well, you don't really know. And you do know that you're dating at this one woman is dating 20 men like you do know that yeah so i think yes there's a difference between like i hated how brayden handled it last week right when he acted like charity did something wrong

and when he made the comment of charity about judging her i think that was all inappropriate i think there's a difference between saying, hey, this environment is weird. I'm uncomfortable with it. I don't know how to navigate having feelings for someone who's also developing feelings for someone else versus shaming that person and making them feel like they're doing something wrong or something that you had upfront expectations was going to happen in the first place. I think there's a huge difference between the two. I think on this episode, Brayden was doing more of the former, just saying, hey, he kind of changed his tune. Last episode, I thought it was very Luke Parker. It was him making it seem like Charity was doing

something wrong, that he was judging her actions for simply being the bachelorette. And this week, he seemed to adjust it a little bit, where it was more like, hey, this is just hard for me to handle. It's just a weird environment. I'm doing my best, but I like you and I'm having feelings for you. So I think the question is, which is the more authentic Brayden? Is it the person who realized maybe he was, this isn't the real world and he needs to adjust and he's doing so and trying to be as upfront as possible? Or is he just smart enough to realize I went a little too hard to the paint and this is him just being full of shit and being manipulative and saying what he needs to say

to buy himself some time? Genevieve, Allie, which one do you think it is? I mean, I actually think we did see some Luke tendencies in this episode. So I think that is the true side of him. He had that crazy explosive blow up in the confessional where he's yelling. Yeah, he does have a bit of a temper. Yeah. Yes. I feel like you just see such moments of inauthentic inauthenticity is that a

word i don't know i just noticed that i noticed that again we've talked so much about his wardrobe and like what all that stuff and i feel like he's just very presentational and i don't think he would make comments like he did in itms saying things like i mean look at me i have these earrings i have this fucking velvet shirt. I'm like, but if that was your true style, I don't think you would narrate things like that. And it's just like, I don't know who he is. And I feel like he tries to be different

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Paramount+, stream now. I could be wrong, but when they were going to drive to San Diego and Charity goes to drive the car, it seemed like he was a little confused that she was driving women can't drive a woman in the workforce never like i could be over reading it but he seemed like earrings yeah but like he seemed like no i want to be the guy that's like driving the car and like being this role oh totally he wants to be in control how could they develop some sort of bachelor date that like truly questioned truly tested like a level of misogyny that the men had like how could they curate such a test you know name a woman they would have to do it

where they didn't they were they didn't realize they were being tested you know the women a lot more money yeah they're at a lot more money. Yeah. They stay home with the kids. That would be kind of fascinating to see which guys make the men make sandwiches. You know? Like, who can make the best sandwich? Have them be pregnant and barefoot in the kitchen. I wonder if he would have got it on Pump the Gas.

Well, you had a good point about the ice cream scooping with Warwick. Yeah, that's jumping ahead to warwick yeah but you had the greatest that guy you had the greatest comparison about the gas yes yes so charity's scooping her own ice cream and she's openly saying oh my wrist this is really hard and so i think that we found charities pumping her gas is scooping her own ice cream is her pumping her own gas. Yeah. Yeah. I thought that was a brilliant comparison. And he got sent home. It was. I wasn't sure if I was like supposed to cringe or laugh.

The editing and like the little sound effects. I was like, they are really just telling us how we feel right now. It was bad. I think he's just a simple little mimbo. I mean, him falling asleep. I think Warwick is a mimbo. I think he's is a mimbo. And I get her being at the cocktail party and seeing, because he's kind of a cutie, seeing him in the corner not talking to anyone and her, you know, living in this little fantasy

and thinking there's something deeper going on. Yeah, he's dark and mysterious. He has a name like Warwick. No one's talking to him. Like, God, he's got like this dark cloud over him. And then it's really boring. Tell me more. Charity loves a hot little dum-dum.

But they're not all dum-dums. Charity loves a fuckboy. I don't think Joey's a dum-dum. I don't think Xavier's a dum-dum. But he's an athlete. So if she's... Xavier's not getting a lot of time right now. I know. Exactly. That's why he has so much time to knit xavier is not getting a lot of a lot of time right now i know exactly why he has so much time to knit she is giving her attention so far to guys who jump off the page as fuck boys

in real life like warwick looks like a guy who who has these very strong facial features very pretty guy and just probably goes to the bars drinks beers with his buddies doesn't say a word just kind of was like yeah dude what's up dude hey dude and pretty easily uh gets dates without putting any effort in and they're all kind of one night stands and he's just kind of this young dumb little fuck boy she's like so what attributes do you think you bring he didn't even know what he did not know what the word attribute meant. No. What did he say?

I just like I just, you know, I just want to hang out. I just don't think it's really like a certain attribute. Like, I just like to like, you know, do things with people or something. Yeah. I wish Charity would have been like, so quality time or. No. Yeah. She didn't. He didn't know what the word attribute meant because then Charity tried

to help him out. She was like, well, for me, I like, you know, I, I really, I'm good at communication, you know, and I really stress, you know, that's an attribute that I, I really take pride in and having. And. But could you imagine if he was, I mean, thank God he was like, yeah, no, I don't really, I can't really. Could you imagine if he was like mean thank god he was like yeah no i don't really i can't really could you imagine if he was like no same yeah communication is huge for me he does he does have you know once he learned what the word was he has the self-awareness you know he just did not give a fuck yeah no i want your okay now that i sorry i got us off track and

jump straight to warwick do you think sean from the group date is a fuck boy or a little dumb dumb sean is the denim guy yeah i mean what he is is a guy who has a very very loving mother because there is no way he should think that he is a like he basically said there's ryan gosling and then like i'm just a notch below Ryan Gosling. That was a bold statement for him to say. It was a bold statement. They, they casted Ryan Gosling as Ken,

but he was, he was up next. That was pretty bold. Yeah. That his Sean's mother has been feeding him with confidence his entire life. I mean, he, she's just been telling him that he is Ken his entire life.

Whatever. I'm just saying like, you know know, he's got a great mom. I bet he's got a great relationship with his mom. His mom has been pumping him up and making him feel real good about himself. Yeah, I think he's totally a fuckboy. He lives on the golf course. And he is he is hooked up with so many beer car girls that he's lost track. It's literally a joke on the internet that people will look at a picture of Ryan Gosling

and be like, he's literally me. It's like making fun of people that say that. And he literally did like the joke. He is the meme. Yeah. He's like, he's got blonde hair. Who was the guy who got real pissed off about? You could tell he was just like, how is this guy who's shorter than me who are he that was air uh air air and s the guy who the guy who is like

i can fish i can hunt air and i can if you want if you want to yeah firefighter yeah very wakeboard i can ski i can wakeboard i can water ski if you want a real man you know where to find one he's also from san diego there we go in keeping with the theme yeah i'm just surprised like he thought water skiing was like manly and important you know i think if i saw man water ski i'd have the biggest ick known to man especially getting up just water skiing in general that's hard

yeah once you're up it's kind of cool if I watch someone fall water skiing no where did we go from water skiing

being what everyone wants to now it being an ick can it just be a recreational activity that someone can just do for fun Aaron ruined it

for everyone Aaron ruined water skiing for all of us. Aaron ruined water skiing. He's gone though, right? He got the boot. Yeah. I like with the Barbie day. I thought it was really fun. I like that all the guys were so down and had a good time. I was so happy

that there wasn't a whole narrative where a guy was like, I don't want to put on a Barbie outfit or something like that. Yeah. They all got up there. They all sang. That was cute. Caleb B with his um belting of him showing his talent of being able to sing it never just it never goes well on this show you can't yeah because even though yeah he has a good voice it just read as not great like i'm gonna get up there and pull this trick out of my sleeve I don't think anyone watching it was just like oh my god

you know he was just like yelling and melody I don't know I do feel like I felt like I was very much team Sean though after he won you know a little obnoxious he came in you don't need to sing your song coming back into the room and I told Derek this morning I said he did not read the room and derek goes well he wasn't in the room

and i said you don't have to be in the room to read it you know that's not gonna land well i think there's a world where that would be funny i i really do i think it would have been funny i think these guys are all soft i'm sorry i just I for them to throw a little hissy fit and just yeah, they threw a little temper tantrum because the guy was a little bit happy and trolled him a little bit with his song. God forbid. He also pulled her first. He pulled her first. They all could have pulled her first.

You know what? I wish one of these guys would have the guts to say when they're all complaining about time. I wish Sean in that moment would have said, hey, man, listen, if she wants to talk to you, she will. She's the bachelorette. So if you're not getting time with her, maybe she just doesn't want to talk to you. A.K.A.

James, who the entire time is like, I haven't talked to her since Tuesday. I'm definitely going home tonight if I don't talk to her. And I just wish Sean would have been like, hey, man, she's a bachelorette. If she wants time with you, she'll make time. That's what I want someone to say. Because it's true. At the end of the day, if you're not getting time with the lead, it's because they don't care about you.

They haven't gone to any of the producers and said, hey, they're in my top four. They're in my top five. They're on my top seven. I'm interested in getting to know so-and-so. You're in a group of people where they've literally said to themselves and producers, let me know when I can send them home. That's the truth. If you're listening to this show and you are thinking about going on to The Bachelor or Bachelorette in the future, and you are getting attention and your peers are not, feel free to tell them that the reason they're not getting attention from the lead is because the lead's not interested in them.

It might not go over well. You might get a bit of a villain edit, but you will make great TV and we will love you for it. I think that's true. And I think it's proven by Warwick because I bet they spoke zero times and she's chosen for one of the times on the date. I want to get to know him. Yeah.

Charity has a type. And you have to have, she likes a pretty boy. She's not into the errands of the world. The John Henry, the tatted, well underwater welder. She's not looking for like more rugged. She wants pretty. She wants earrings. You know who I think is going to go real far that we've gotten glimpses of John, the data scientist from New York.

Yes. The guy who looks like Joey Harrington. Yeah, I think I think he's top four. I think I think Brayden eventually gets axed. I just think he has too much heat on his back. I mean, she said several times that she gets glimpses of her past relationships with Brayden. And if like that's not a massive red flag, I don't really know what is. Yeah.

Yeah. And I agree with Natalie there because it's not like any one thing, you know, because again, like I thought he made a lot of sense compared to Aaron this episode. And I hate the tattling. You know, I love how Xavier's handling himself. Xavier is just kind of taking the approach of, she'll figure it out. It's early. Stop wasting your time tattling on other people, yada, yada, yada. Xavier is confident himself. Aaron, on the other hand, is lying to himself about how confident he is. And he was like, yeah, I mean, I'm secure in our relationship. So I'm going to use this time to tattle. It's like, no, you're not. You're not secure. And if you were, you wouldn't waste your time tattling. Regardless of what Charity thinks about Xavier, Xavier is going to be Xavier. He's

going to roll confidently. But like Brayden, I think there's just something. It's the overall vibe that just makes me not trust him. You know, it's the peacocking, the changes in temperament, this never be able to kind of take a step back and be quiet. And, you know, it's just his constant need for attention and validation and and his ability to kind of talk through all these challenges. I mean, you're not a bad guy because you're a smooth talker, but it is definitely a red flag that you're you're pretty good at bullshitting your way out of jams and relationships. And I think the irony is Charity saying things like

I've ignored red flags in the past and I don't want to do that anymore as she's talking to a walking red flag yeah well I think that's kind of part of the storyline though right it won't make a difference as long as Charity at some point stands up for herself and breaks up with Brayden now assuming that Brayden continues to show more and more red flags and that's and more red flags and does more Luke Parker type of actions. You know, we all loved Hannah Brown when she finally stood up to Luke Parker, moved the podium, you know, said, I had sex and Jesus still loves me. But that wasn't until Fantasy Suite Week, right? So that was the majority of the season.

She was falling in love with this guy and liked him the most and yada yada yada so it won't matter as long as charity doesn't pick him you know what i'm saying she can kind of give into her shortcomings or her blind spot so to speak and she can give into the red flags that she in the past have ignored. Because that's part of this process. It's no fun to watch Charity have already figured out. We want to watch her figure it out as we watch her on her journey. So that's the charm of it. I think that's why I'm enjoying it so much is that we're not seeing a finished product in charity. She is allowing us to see the sides of charity that were a part of her as more of a young woman. And while she's learned some things, it's a reminder that we can learn about our bad habits and we can overcome stuff, but they're still with us. You know what I'm saying? They'll still pop up. We'll still be tempted and we'll always have our types and we'll always have our weaknesses. And we just have to get better at identifying them faster rather than waiting till we're like in relationships or waiting till we're engaged. So the big question is, is will charity eventually come around on Brayden and identify him as someone who's more closer to people she met in the past rather than the type of version she wants to be with

in the future. I hope to God he makes it to Fantasy Suites. I hope to God. It would be great. Great TV. I don't take them anymore. Because like who, I mean, who's gonna carry the season if

Brayden goes? Yeah, there's not really any more like, but i feel like they always find they always come out they'll come out but i'm just trying to you know it's got to be people she likes though you know joey joey's just he's too nice he's too sweet john's not going to be that person dotan is definitely don't don't is definitely not. Doughton's definitely not going to be that person. Their sweet little moment that they had in her room. She said, come to my room, Doughton. Yeah, that was cute. He's so, like, yeah, his delivery, what he said to Charity was really great.

Doughton's a perfect example of, it's like the, like, that's how people should be, right? So Doughton and his way of connecting with Charity was trying to make Charity feel good about herself, complimenting her characteristics, explaining to Charity what he sees in her. When people say, I literally want someone to see me, here's Doughton very much articulating what he sees in Charity, as opposed to the Brayden, which is the kind of the fuckboy style of making her chase, making her want to get his validation and don't like just giving of his validation.

And the big question is with charity is which approach will she pay more attention to? Because the don't of the world, that's the healthiest side. When we have people on Ask Nick call in and I'm always asking questions like, well, what do you like about them? What do you like about how they make you feel? Doton's the type of guy who, if I ask Charity, how does Doton make you feel? My guess is she's going to say things like, well, he makes me feel seen. He makes me feel secure. He makes me feel confident. He makes me feel safe. He makes me feel understood. And now if I ask Charity how Brayden made her feel, confused, unsure, I don't know. I just kind of like him. She would talk about the spark or that anxiety, that trigger that makes her think, oh, why do I need this guy's validation?

What is it about Brayden that makes me pine for his attention? But right now she's giving more into Brayden than, you know, at least from a TV time, we're seeing more attention go to Brayden. But Charity finally said this episode, the thing that we've been saying for three weeks, which is that she is a, I can fix him type girl. She said, I'm a caregiver. I'm a carer. I want to help him.

Like, she's probably looking at don't and like, eh, you don't need to be good. Yeah. Yeah. Fine. Yeah.

Yeah. That's totally true. And the question is like, you know, is don't pretty enough for her. I think she, I mean, he's a handsome guy, but

she lights up when you can tell when she finds someone's physically attractive and you can tell the attention. She like stares into their eyes. With Doughton, she was looking down and kind of listening and nodding. And it was like a very like mature and like thoughtful conversation. And she was also crying. like a very like mature and and like thoughtful conversation she was also crying i know but i'm just saying she looks at the brayden and even the warwick's differently you know at the beginning of that date she was just like staring at warwick giddy and smiling and giggling you know and she's much more composed around the dotans of the world and i think that i think to me i'm most fascinated in like that kind of arc of charity of will will you see her kind of rise past her her bad habits her dating bad

habits in the past or will she kind of continue to give in to them it'll be interesting that's true and i definitely feel like if brayden goes home i feel like they're gonna try to give sean like a villain edit oh for sure and so the guys already don't love him i feel like the guys hate him because he just kind of has one of those obnoxious faces and he's a little boisterous and i think his conf because he clearly has a ton of confidence and probably some of these guys are thinking you don't deserve to have that much confidence and when when the other aaron was saying i don't know what it is about that guy i fucking hate i think it's that he hates that sean is as confident in himself as he is and in that environment it drives you know more quiet guys nuts the only problem with sean is i don't

think charity's all that into him i think he goes him. I think he goes home before Brayden. You think Sean goes home before Brayden? Yeah. Because I think the Sean of it all is going to distract her from how much people hate Brayden. And then she's going to think, oh, people hate Sean. Like, Brayden's not that bad. Like, Sean's doing this, that, and the other thing. Oh, and that's how we keep Brayden around. Yeah. But I think

Joey and John are too cute, too nice, too good to be true. I think they could surprise us as villains i mean we'll see joey the tennis player from hawaii maybe he's a girlfriend what maybe it's me i think they're too good to be true they're perfect well yeah they're definitely like they all have their dark side i don't know if it's gonna come out in the bachelor their dark side. I don't know if it's going to come out in The Bachelor. Their dark side. They're all a little smoother down there.

I mean, they're all they're just fucking dudes. You know what I'm saying? Like they're but they're they're quiet guys who I just don't think are going to act up in this environment unless pushed. But in the previews, the upcoming preview, it sure seems it seems like the Brayden and the Aaron drama continues next week. There is a lot of Aaron and brayden and the aaron drama continues next week there was a lot of aaron and brayden drama and i don't think they were you know maybe they were preview they can preview weeks ahead but i just don't see how they're going to table that drama for next week and then bring it back up i think something kind of blows over next week unfortunately i think brayden's going to go home sooner than later i think god i think charity is gonna uh real i think braden's gonna go home sooner than later i think god i think charity's

gonna uh real i think if nothing else charity will be like there's just too much drama around this guy i can't quite put my finger on what it is but i think she i think she'll be smart enough to say that something's off here and i i got too many other guys i'm interested in and this guy's just all trouble. I wouldn't be shocked if Brayden goes home next week. That feels like too soon. I think we got at least another two with him. I hope I'm wrong.

I hope I'm wrong. Yeah, no, I can see that happening too. She thinks that the two of them are causing the drama and then she ends up sending home the tattletale, which we've seen happen before. It's just Brayden's gonna have to not be involved in drama for at least a minute. I don't think it's possible.

Yeah, exactly. I just don't think. That's the thing. I just don't think he's going to be able to calm down. But if Charity keeps him around for two more weeks and Brayden doesn't slow his roll, that's going to look not great on Charity. But we'll see.

But as long as, I mean, it won't really matter technically, you know, as long as she finally figures it out. Yeah. It's like the drama is so in her face right now that it's kind of forcing her to have to make a decision.

Yeah. But I don't know. Hannah Brown didn't. And Luke Parker was pretty bad from the get. True. Well, he would go home and then he'd come back. Maybe we'll get a little something, something that luke right didn't well they had the one-on-one that's when she said jesus

still loves me she's put him in the van and then he showed up to the rose ceremony that week even though she'd sent him home right what do we think of jesse crying before the rose ceremony? Who is Jesse? Where has he been? I feel like he said four words. Yeah. Yeah. When he was going to talk to charity before, like, and like it cuts back, he's clearly crying and there's like tears going down his face. Why?

Jesse Palmer was? He was crying too. I swear. Literally, his eyes were red and there was like water around his eyelids. Like, it was like ridiculous he got really emotional maybe his head allergies or maybe down in Oceanside

was it an emotional moment he's pulling up his notes America he just loves Charity so much yeah it's Jesse's in love with it's when Charity says she doesn't she doesn't it's after the itm where she says i don't know if i can trust braid right now and it cuts back and it's like in between jesse's

crying and they're talking and then it's during that whole storyline where she's saying it's reminding me of my old relationship i doubt jesse was because jesse is literally going from like a trailer not he you know he could have been giving football commentary. It's not as if Jesse is living this experience with Charity. He's out on his phone in his trailer, and then they'll be like, all right, Jesse Palmer, we got a room watching Charity get all emotional. Not to mention, in reality, there is no music. And I'm certain that whole, am I going to send Brayden home? That was all produced. It's not like she was actually contemplating that when she was standing there in front of the guys. They literally just said, all right, after the final rose, instead of having Jesse come out and say, give your goodbyes, they told Charity, hey, just walk back. And she just hung out with the producers. They were probably standing there for 10, 15 minutes, making the guys all nervous,

creating some discourse amongst the guys, seeing who would talk and stuff like that. And then she had her conversation with Jesse and he was just like, oh, so do you think you should... What's your decision on Brayden? Meanwhile, she's like, what do you mean decision? I already gave him a rose. And then she went back and probably did some ITMs, yada, yada, yada. I mean, it was all nonsense. But that's interesting. You saw a tear come down his eye. Maybe he just put some Visine in. Maybe he was like smoking a blunt in his trailer and he had a bunch of red eye and he just had a quick put some Visine in his eye. I cannot see Jesse smoking a blunt.

I don't think that was it. But, you know, I don't think he was crying. What's more likely that Jesse was smoking a blunt in his trailer and had some red eye dripping down his cheek or that he was sobbing. I don't know. It's just I know that he's sobbing. I just noticed it happened and I was taken aback and I was surprised and I was like, you know what? He seemed very emotionally involved in this.

And I was very surprised. That's very cute of you to notice that, Derek. Maybe he just had allergies. Maybe he ate. He may have had food poisoning. Maybe he smoked. I'm not sure. Maybe he's literally throwing up in his mouth. I missed that, Derek. Maybe he just had allergies. Maybe he ate, he maybe had food poisoning. Maybe he smoked. I'm not sure. Maybe he's literally

throwing up in his mouth. I missed that, yeah. Could be nothing. I don't know. Could be something. Jesse gets a storyline this season. Jesse's home life is rocky.

I can see the People magazine articles now and it's just Derek starting all these rumors. Source quoted. I'm not saying. Drip off the rose and give it to me. Charity seems like she can lose her temper.

And I'm hoping for more of that. She is far more emotive than I expected. And I'm happy to see that. She's giving us a great season. She's giving us some good moments yeah she's she's very entertaining i i'm very entertained by charity really i'm really enjoying her and her all of all of her decisions both good and bad do we know where they're going next week i don't know if they said probably portland they're actually just going to go down to San Diego fully. I heard they didn't leave

the United States. At all? Ever? Well, until I think the final week. Oh, that's sad. Until after hometowns. You joined the Bachelor to tour Europe. They just say in Southern California. I could be wrong. I don't know. Maybe. It could be just a whole domestic...

I don't know. Maybe I heard that wrong. I don't know. Any final thoughts before we wrap it up? Final four predictions But it could be just a whole like domestic. I don't know. Maybe, maybe I heard that wrong. I don't know. Uh, any final thoughts before we wrap it up? Final four predictions. I'm going to go Joey, John. I'm still going to say Xavier and Dalton.

I think Braden goes home before hometowns. I like that. I support that. I'm going to say Jesse Palmer. Yeah. Wiping tears away. No, I think Dalton,

um, Daloton, Joey. I can see Brayden getting a hometown, I think. Surely possible. I just think he goes home before. Okay. And me? No, she'll get rid of John. He's too much and he's too young.

I mean, that's the thing. If he was older, and only because I think that's just going to be one more thing that you would think charity would be like all right this guy's only 24 how old charity 27 so he's three years younger than charity he's got all these like little red flags that she can't put her finger on and i just think maybe him being oh younger is just another will be another kind of data point for her to just be like, you know what? This isn't my guy. He might be attractive. I might be charmed by him.

I have a crush on him, but he's not my guy. So I just think he's going home before hometown. I hope so. I don't know if I hope so. I actually kind of. I don't hope he keeps it fresh. No, I hope he sticks around. But I do not get him and his earrings out of there.

Now they can't stand him. All right. I think that about does it, right? Well, thank you for listening, y'all. Don't forget on Thursday's episode of Going Deeper, we have the one and only Scott Evans. That's right. One of the stars of the new Barbie movie.

You also might know him as the brother of the world-famous Chris Evans. You also might know him as the brother of the world famous Chris Evans. Anyways, we have a great conversation with Scott. Tons of fun. Really great guy. We talked about filming the Barbie movie, life as an Evans, a bunch of things on the sun. He's also a big reality TV fan. So it was great to talk to Scott about all of that and more. So be sure to check that out. Again, we have an update special behind Vile Files Plus available to you that dropped last Friday. So if you haven't checked that out yet, be sure to do so. Just go to vilefiles.com. It's free to sign up. You have a seven-day free trial. Check out our Ask Nick episode

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